You could tell that Dooku's refined Lightsaber combat style was reminiscent to Christopher Lee's real life reputation as a world class fencer. He was involved in more on screen swordfights than any other actor alive as well as do his own stunts. It goes without saying that Christopher Lee is a badass
@@LoreStar You and me both. In regards to swordfighting, he had this to say "The most important thing about a swordfight... is to make it look like you intend to kill the other person, and as quickly as possible".
having participated in a for fun saber dueling class patterned from real world martial arts with actual martial artists teaching weapon combat with stunt lightsabers, dooku's saber design is genius. trying to pull of fencing based moves with a normal lightsaber is darn near impossible and murder on your wrist.
I hope you saw the 1978 version of The Three (and Four) Musketeers, with Sir Christopher Lee playing Count Roquefort. The fencing in that movie was incredible!
Having a curved hilt give an unfair advantage in dueling. You know what's also unfair? Being a small difficult to hit object doing low hits. Anyone who fights against Yoda in Soulcalibur IV will agree.
Many Jedi became a dark Jedi inside subconsciously, Jedi Temple was literally hiding a Sith temple inside with Palepatine using it to influence the Jedi.
I actually love how when you learn more about Yoda and look further into it he's a very flawed character. In the movies it always looks like he's the wisest and one of the strongest jedi but in the end the jedi fell when he was grandmaster. The signs were there but he failed to notice them and in turn he also failed Dooku.
I agree with you on this one. Imagine a force user with Dooku's power, weildling a form of saber combat designed to wipe the floor with saber users, under the Emporers full control. I think Anakin wouldn't have stood a chance, and niether would any untrained force user after him, even for generations to come.
Dooku was never a true Sith. He merely went with the Armin's ideals from SnK: "To have the strength to combat the monster, one must become the monster himself." Since his first appearance in Attack of the Clones, Dooku made it clear that his wish was to destroy the Sith Order completely, and some other media it is elaborated that he never wanted to rule the Galaxy, as he considered himself unfit to do so despite his noble heritage. He only wanted to break and reassemble the corrupt Republic and get rid of the Sith for good. And to achieve that, he undertook drastic measures. That's why I feel that Clone Wars didn't do justice to Dooku. While his style was clearly shown as much more elegant and refined than in the films, his overall personality felt much more machiavellian and downright evil. Not to mention he didn't appear at all in the Season Seven, which I consider a crime against humanity.
He was also shoe horned into the story. I still believe Lucas' idea was to reveal jar jar as the bumbling fool who was the master, the same way Yoda was revealed in ESB just reversed. Since jar jar got terrible reception, Lucas changed his mind and that's where dooku got shoe horned in.
Yo like no diss on yoda he’s cool and all but his “wise actions” literally led to 2 Jedi turning to the dark side, like his dogmatic way of obeying the Jedi code made him blind to nuance. And palpatine knew that and heeavily took advantage of it.
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1st off Dooku and Anakin were stuck in their ways. They were going to fall to Dark side no matter what what Yoda or anyone did. Anakin was keeping secrets bottled up and Dooku was just wanting to ingest knowledge of the dark side. 2nd Those who usually question anything about the light side falls. Look at Luke's order, those who went thought the pace without much questioning did well. Those you did fell ( rosh penin, Kyp Durron, Tahiri viela, Jacen Solo just to name a few) Luke's flexible approach blinded him from jacen to much just Yoda was to dooku was Anakin and luke was "suppose" to be more in tune to the dark side. Yoda had every right to be dogmatic, he oversaw 10's of thousands Jedi knights without fail.
In fairness, Master Yoda, though mostly Jedi only weild lightsabers, more than just Jedi engage in melee. Vibroblades are uncommon but not non-existent in combat, and many cultures like the Tuscan raiders on Tatoonie still engage in combat with gaffi sticks. I would also argue that any combat technique that will defeat an adept swordsman will equally slay any large and feral beast just as effectively. It is also worth mentioning, though lightsaber combat is a focus in Form 2, its focus on disarming an opponent should be noted, especially opposed to other students who study Form 5, which practices and even promotes lethal force. I'm looking at you, Anakin.
In combat a technique for going against someone with a sword is going to be different than a technique designed to fight a large beast the same way soldiers don't normally use anti-tank guns against infantry. That said, you're pretty much right in everything else. Who are you who are so wise in the lore of Star Wars?
"any combat technique that will defeat an adept swordsman will equally slay any large and feral beast just as effectively." That could not be further from the truth. If you had any sword fighting experience, be it HEMA or olympic fencing or kenjutsu, or even any kind of martial arts whatsoever, you'd know this.
I disagree that a sword technique that defeats a swordsman could defeat a massive beast It doesn’t make any sense because swordsmen would use a technique a big animal wouldn’t
Why wouldn't you use the force to disable opponents if you are facing a nonforce user in melee? In any case, a Jedi should be able to out speed their opponent, regardless of combat style.
I love how flawed the Jedi are. Their own laws caused so many to turn to the dark side but Jedi would blame the will of a person rather than question their own dogma and way of life. And when Obi says, “Only a Sith deals in absolutes.” That statement is an absolution.
its actually why Yoda told Obi Wan not to train Luke from a young age, after Dooku and the fight with Palpatine, Yoda finally realized just how flawed the jedi order had become and ordered Obi Wan to only train Luke if he wished to be trained and how he wanted to be trained, and as a result Luke actually became a more powerful jedi than Yoda as he was able to train in a much more efficient and personalized matter as he was lead by the force and not an education system.
It's literally what the movies tell us and so many fans can't pay attention to this simple fact. Imposing your control amd will on a group will eventually lead to the collapse of said control.
Why do people keep interpreting the quote this say... I don't understand how everyone completely misses the point of the "only a sith deals in absolutes". He is not literally saying everyone who says an absolute is a sith. People completely gloss over the context of when it's being said. Obi-wan is arguing with Anakin, when Anakin demands that everything submit to his new Empire and Obi-Wan shouts that we are supposed to fight for democracy. Anakin replies "you are either with me or against me", in which Obi-Wan responds with the quote, because Anakin is refusing to argue and have a debate. That's the whole point of "dealing in absolutes". A person who doesn't allow debate or politics, who demand that everyone submit to their views. Obi-wan making that claim is not hypocritical, nor is he "dealing in absolutes". He is not dealing in anything, it's a response to Anakin who has already rejected any alternative outcome.
Only because authors and writers take a dump on Yoda's character. You'd be foolish to think this was the true Yoda all along. No, this Yoda came out because of inept writing.
I think it's worth remembering that while Yoda was indeed very wise and knowledgeable, he was also wrong about _a lot._ He mishandled Anakin from the start, mishandled the Jedi involvement in the Clone Wars, and allowed himself and his order to be manipulated by Sidious. In fact, Yoda has fairly consistently struggled to cope with anyone or anything unorthodox within the Jedi order. He couldn't handle Anakin, couldn't handle Qui-Gon, couldn't handle Dooku. The Revenge of the Sith novelisation sums it up rather nicely, I feel: "The Sith had changed. The Sith had grown, had adapted, had invested a thousand years' intensive study into every aspect of not only the Force but Jedi lore itself, in preparation for exactly this day. The Sith had remade themselves. "They had become _new._ "While the Jedi - "The Jedi had spent that same millennium training to re-fight the _last_ war." And later... "Too old I was," Yoda said. "Too rigid. Too arrogant to see that the old way is not the _only_ way. These Jedi, I trained to become the Jedi who had trained me, long centuries ago - but those ancient Jedi, of a different time they were. Changed, has the galaxy. Changed, the order did not - because _let_ it change, _I_ did not."
The wise Yoda we see in Empire Strikes Back is a Yoda who has spent the last 20 years of his life reflecting on all his past mistakes, and knowing that, when the time came, there would be just one (ok, maybe two, since there was another) last chance to set right what he had contributed to allowing to go awry, and if he didn't get it right this time, the galaxy was screwed for possibly forever.
There's a case to say that Yoda's longevity and concomitant de-sensitivity to the vicissitudes of mortality has much to do with this. He's watched countless Padawans grow up, age and die. He has seen many revolutions uprise and fall, with the same outcomes, all across the Galaxy. When we meet him, the world he knew as a young, hopeful, idealistic young Jedi has long since collapsed and became practically ancient. He spends hundreds of years alone as the only living being in his vicinity who remembers certain things, and no-one around him cares much about those things unless they are directly relevant to the teachings of the Order. He doubtless became tired of seeing futile turns of Life's Wheel, and stopped seeing the changes around him. Perhaps during the Clone Wars or sometime after, he decided to focus only on the purity of the Force, and finally stop trying to keep up with a world he didn't know anymore---and who could blame him?
@@adamwu4565 There's no such thing as forever in this galaxy. A Sith ascendency would breed a Jedi resurgence just like a Jedi ascendency bred a Sith resurgance. The surviving Jedi would return to their roots, rediscover where their true strength lay just as the Sith had done, and then return to provide balance once more.
In my personal oppinion this is an important point. The "light side" of the might is not really "good" in itself. The traits are much more general. I think this was very good executed by "Star Wars: The old Republik". Control your emotions. Follow orders. etc. The light side is a very conservative - and Yoda is a good example. Don't question the status quo. Follow the rules and so on.
I think that logically, had Yoda supported him, he would have felt validated, and his thoughts and practice appreciated. He would have had no reason to leave the Jedi, and could have fought against the Sith. But Yoda's arrogance blinded him to even the possibility that he could be wrong, and so he dismissed Dooku's opinions. And if you want to foster animosity and discontent in someone, just treat his thoughts with complete contempt, and dismiss everything he tells you. You know, like Yoda did.
"You're arrogance blinds you, Master Yoda." In all seriousness, yes, he and many other Jedi of his time seem to have been blinded by Arrogance and hubris. This literally played right into the hands of the Sith. Another thing that bugged me about the Jedi is that they were supposed to be guardians and peace keepers, but they seldom acted on behalf of those who really needed them, and just became mere servants of the Repiblic. They became far removed from those who they were supposed to protect.
Dooku was made so much better by the fact that Christopher Lee was in fact a real life "Olympic" level fencer. From what I heard he didn't require much if any instructions for the lightsaber combat scenes in the movies. The man was a living legend
Also a really fun fact: Back in ancient rome there was a king who had his sword like Dooku's one,curved. And christofer lee is actually a decendent of the king
It's crazy, too, you can SEE the confidence and stoicism in his pose and movement, too... you can tell he's not just "ACTING" . Or like K.R. training for the John Wick movies~~~ ~it's the exact OPPOSITE EQUAL of my fondness for "actors pretending to know nothing about ACTING" (ie, the original Ghostbusters, when they made the "commercial" and Spengler is clearly looking at the "floor marker" for where he is supposed to stand when he speaks... Or the *SUPERNATURAL* episode "The French Mistake" wherein they end up IRL as "Jensen" and "Jared" and have to pretend they know *NOTHING* about acting... even with Dean reading the subtext in his lines in the script "Dean says ANGRILY" )
As much as I would like to agree on all of this story's about my beloved Christopher Lee. Just a quick reality check; Lee did never fight himself in the starwars films. His face was used but the choreography was done by a double. Not to say that he can't do it, in fact he was swordfighting in many movies befor. But he himself said, well into his 80s that his feet are not fast enough anymore to actually do the fighting. The story with the nameless king who is supposedly related to Mister Lee. Well, I guess the source is "Dude - trust me" lmao
@@ЖамекЖамек-н6ч they're almost the same, just that fear is less vague; the words are literally right next to each other on the archaic definition though
Interesting how of all people to choose from Dooku chose Qui-Gon, the model Jedi as his padawan. I don't think it's a coincidence that both of them were one of the few unorthodox Jedi in the order but it's interesting how Qui-Gon's led him on the complete opposite path it led his master. I would really love to see their banter and how much influecne they had on each other. Honestly Qui-Gon doesn't get enough love and hopefully you could cover him.
People always forget that Qui-Gon taught Yoda and Obi-Wan how to become a force ghost... *he just figured it out himself* Like, he basically meditated his way to immortality through unity with the Force, and then turned up to remind the Jedi "grandmaster" what it meant to actually be a Jedi
Even Yoda himself admits he failed. Had Yoda treated the situation as if an incase scenario he could of continued to train Dooku in the right path. He would've been the Jedi's top weapon against the Sith. Imagine if Dooku was still a Jedi at the time of the phantom menace. It would of most likely been Dooku and Jinn against Darth Maul. Who knows Anakin might have become Dooku's apprentice at his age with the dark knowledge Dooku was exposed to, yet was trained to prevent self corruption. Skywalker vs Sidious would've been the greatest lightshow the galaxy would have ever seen.
Yeah, and Dooku would have been able to dispose of Maul alone of needed as well, he would not have been phased by a double bladed lightsaber, which he knew well & regarded as a mostly gimmicky weapon with more disadvantages than advantages over a standard lightsaber, at least against anyone not getting confused by the way a doubl-bladed saber is used.
@@histguy101 Dooku was already disillusioned with the Jedi at that time. The death of his former apprentice was the final straw for him. Mainly because he had trained for such a event and was rebuked resulting in Jinns death. And from everything i understand he had little knowledge that Jinn was supposed to have been Anakin's master. Had he held his loyalty in honor of his fallen apprentice he would have took training Anakin himself. Knowing it was Jinns last wish he would have done it and no offense to Obi-won would have been a more experienced master.
Anakin would probably lose to Sidious. The Only reason mace could win was because he spent most of his life training to fight with and against the dark side.
@@TBDF12 Yes, but Anakin was also not as strong as Palpatine in the first place, Palpatine's master taught him the technique to influence life, meaning he could have effectively been immortal if not for Rey destroying him in Rise of Skywalker.
"A wise man, in times of peace, prepares for war." I forget who that quote is from (Aristotle or some other ancient philosopher), but it fits this perfectly. The Jedi were foolish to believe that the Sith were gone for good, and they should have been preparing themselves for their eventual return. Ironic that only Dooku was concerned about this (and that one Master), and prepared himself for this, only to be rejected by even his own master. No offense to the elders and authorities, but I really hate it when they get this arrogant, "I'm never wrong, because I'm your elder/superior" attitude. It comes to show what power and authority can do to you, if they're left unchecked.
I agree. Parents who say "bEcAuSe i sAiD sO" are arguably the worst kind. What really gets me is that a lot of them don't even TRY to reason with their children but just drop that trump card wherever applicable. Then, once the child either has constructive arguments (but gets called dIsReSpEcTfUl) or the parent is proven to be wrong entirely, their credibility is all but gone in the child's mind and they "turn to the dark side" breaking the rules whenever they want.
@@wildgurgs3614 completely true. It teaches you that people, even those who say they love you, will lie to control you and punish you for thinking and asking questions. Beyond parents expect the same "because I said" from employers and "because I'll beat the s*** out of you" from the majority of stupid males. Thanks to feminism you can add "because I'll lie to the police that you assaulted me and nobody will believe a man over a woman." Society of Psychopaths! Woot!
It's amazing the level of lore appears to some cinematic requests. Samuel l Jackson wanting a purple blade, Christopher Lee wanting a handle that is like his own sword(one modeled after his ancestor, charlemagne's). This level of lore is why I love star wars
Dooku is one of the most interesting characters in star wars imo. A great jedi, extremely powerful, possibly the best swordsman ever seen, driven away due to lack of faith in his peers and the people he served. I doubt he wouldve left if the jedi had been more cautious
That's why the tenth man system is superior, if nine people believe there is no problem (in this case no Sith) the tenth man must believe and do all in his power to combat it.
Yoda was quite toxic to Anakin, took. Telling him to drop his feelings for his mom. Hoda was so bad piece of shit, that I was used that sidiuos didn't kick his ass Evan more
And btw, using the force to mind wipe someone or control them in any way is in fact a DARK SIDE technique. What in the blazes is Yoda, the Jedi grandmaster, doing using a dark side technique if he is in fact supposed to be a beacon of good and hope.
Defending Dooku’s near obsession in refining his dueling skills, it’s always better to have & not need, than need & not have. And skills meant for self defense are absolutely useless if they can be overwhelmed or outdone.
@@histguy101 Obi-Wan's fighting style wasn't really "Self defence".İt was a style,he used his defence as offence as he could parry/deflect into enemies stances with making them off balance with tough blocks or swift guard breaks. Also he said "If it could be owerwhelmed".Well he is right in this scenario as Obi-Wan only AND ONLY practiced this style after his masters death and became too good at it that his defence was almost unpenetrable.Other jedi on the other hand wasn't as good as Obi-Wan and got wrecked when it comes to defence dueling.
Let me save you 12 minutes. Curved hilt is made to fight other lightsaber users. At the time the only lightsaber users were other jedi. That's why yoda didn't like it.
Given all I know of Dooku, no, he would not have turned. Honestly, I’m pretty sure that even as a Sith, his ultimate goal was to destroy the Sith and the Jedi along with them since he viewed the Jedi as corrupt pawns of a corrupt senate.
Honestly that is one of the problems I had with the Jedi Council in the various times, including the Old Republic games..they were very VERY uptight and full of the belief they knew everything and that those below them should listen without question, even when something as important as the Sith was concerned. Yoda it could be argued..somewhat..in his defense that he was already old during the prequels and thus let his old age and stubborn belief that the threat of the Sith was not there get to him..in turn it made him chase a ghost of his own in the fact the hilt of Dooku's Lightsaber would be a foretelling of his fall to the darkside which in turn became a self fulfilling prophecy..he brought it about himself due to his own stubborn refusal to see any merit in Dooku's worries.
Siidiois line to yoda was spot on and was a message not to just yoda but all jedi "your arrogance blinds you " they were the architects of their own downfall and into their abolishment of their order was their own making
@@sidium7344 Yeah, like that, Revan wanted to do something, to actually get involved in the war at the time while the council wanted to do nothing and sit it out iirc. He eventually became so fed up with their stalling and inaction that he broke away to actually do something and save lives.
Yeah, even playing the story arcs in SWTOR on the pub (Republic) side you see the beginning of this kind of mindset. Both the counselor and knight arcs there is this sort of down playing of the Sith order, even after Malgus's raid on the temple on Coruscant you'd think they would be a bit more mindful of what the sith in general. Even the opening cinematic called Return for SWTOR you catch a line in there that just emphasis this same notion again. Through the pub side arcs with the trooper and smuggler too the Republic as a whole practically down plays the seriousness of the sith empire, not just the order the *ENTIRE* empire. And on imp (Imperial) side they capitalize on this, though that side has it's own issues which I would go into detail here. Suffice to say, had they gotten their act together they would have in the end wrecked the Republic.
Dooku is a prime example of someone who realized that the Jedi had lost their way through, ironically, dealing in absolutes. Unfortunately for him, he was bribed by Sidious and the dark side, which he managed to control quite well, yet falling to it in the process of learning its powers. I love his fighting style and his true importance, and I definitely think we need more Dooku.
Anakin’s was driven by fear and anger though to the point he became evil. Dooku was more aware than the Jedi and chose to leave with a clear view and understanding of the galaxy. He wasn’t very evil and not even really a bad guy.
The more I see of the Jedi and their lore, the more I realize how flawed their beliefs and actions were. Even in a cinematic universe there's no such thing as absolute good. Had the Jedi listened to Dooku he wouldn't have ended where he did and possibly not held off birth of Vader. Saddening.
@@sMASHsound I'm sure there's a quote for it but when you believe that what you're doing is good you'll never see that you might be doing wicked things.
Yoda was wrong on almost every major account. He even admitted it. Thats why after he lost against sidious he never forged a new lightsaber. He deemed himself unworthy to wield one again.
I actually thought, it's the handle from a fencing weapon. Those have these "pistol-handle" like designs, and are good for thrusting. Which makes sense, since a lightsabre only needs to "touch" and not really using a blade for cutting. So a thrust is fast and has range, and only a small touch is needed.
Pinkel Wurst Well not really. The Sith like the Jedi have rules (the rule of two). The Sith were supposedly from the Sith Empire in Canon even an order before Darth Bane. So not every light side user is a Jedi and not every dark side user is a Sith.
Jedi is all about balance yoda may have purposely allowed him to turn to the dark side in order to conclude in sky walker being the Jedis last Hope then rey etc as kylo is I guess Jedi now if dooku and amazon were Jedi and remained Jedi it may not have happened anyone that small green and old is worth trusting
@@franklyjustty That doesn't sound like the sort of thing Yoda would do. Dark Jedi and Sith are a product of rebellion. After all, rebellion is a running theme throughout the Star Wars mythos.
Dooku was right, but his passion took him to the brink of obsession. When the dark lady asked for mercy a Jedi should of and would have granted it. But Dooku was giving into the dark side, and so did not. I believe if Yoda had given Dooku permission, and encouraged him. He would of simple turned Dooku into a weapon, and a weapon that Palaptine would of recruited sooner. Could you imagine a younger Dooku with his pinnacle of skill, and the strength of the Dark Side turned against the Jedi sooner.
Actually the advantage of having a curved handle on a stabbing weapon is that it causes the blade to align with the wielder's arm. This improves your reach and speed at thrusting attacks though it can also cause slashing attacks to be a bit weaker and awkward.
@@JamesWillmus capable, yes. But a curved hilt makes slashing awkward and also limits the amount of force you can exert with the blade. Realistically speaking, If you have a hilt like that, you are basically specialized in thrusting attacks and must focus on linear evasion and deflection rather than blocks. And actually, lightsabers cut easily through nearly all kinds of armor. The only exception I recall is Cortosisweave armor and Mandalorian Beskar. And those types are merely resistant to lightsabers. Not immune.
@@Vexin980 PURE cortosis shorts a lightsaber out. Cortosis Weave armor is merely resistant to lightsabers. And of course Mandalorians get lightsaber resistant armor also because everybody fangirls over them.
@@Knightstruth I mean, isn't it also literally the only explanation for why they manage to last against Jedi and Sith at all, instead of just getting cut in half? Skill only means so much when a literal flick of the wrist splits you in two.
Dooku technically wasn't Yoda's last padawan, It was luke. However, Luke was never an official padawan, where as dooku was. Anyways luke was still yoda's last padawan.
Yoda "hated" his lightsaber? I thought hate led to the Darkside... lol. Really it's a very petty thing to target. Dooku could have even been commended for preserving an ancient art of the Jedi rather than letting it be lost to time. There were deeper issues going on and it makes Yoda sound very hypocritical. Really Dooku was right, the Sith did still exist, and I think his goal of not wanting the Jedi to be but a show piece or performers for the public was a noble one. You could say the Jedi were a key to him being driven to the Darkside, though he also has to take upon responsibilty for his own actions of becoming evil and harming the innocent.
The worst part: Dooku did nothing wrong prior to falling to the dark side. He was preparing for a day that he hoped would never come (or that he was trying to prevent), and Yoda and the jedi just kept shutting him down. Way to get in your own way, Yoda. And in the grander scheme of things, this is one of the biggest things that lead to the destruction of the order. The jedi were simply too content with the smell of their own shit to bother to investigating to see if there was a legitimate threat still pending or do much of anything of actual long-term benefit to the galaxy. Edit: Yeah, I know he kinda tried to kill that Jedi, but it still stands that the counsel not giving a damn about Dooku's suspicions didn't do anything to help.
I mean, he did misjudge a jedi master as being a sith and almost killed her in combat had Yoda not interviened (lets not pretend he would've lost, it's Dooku) and I'd argue THAT was pretty wrong.
The way of the Jedi is peace. Dooku for outright looking for a fight and becoming more and more obsessed with the existence of an enemy unseen for millennia. Yoda was in the right to try and dissuade Dooku from following this path, as he knew it would lead him to the dark side... and it did. You're looking at Yoda's decision with an outside, not an in-universe perspective. If I told you sabre tooth cats and dire wolves still existed, and devoted my life to hunting them down, would you think I'm sane? No, you would not. You would want someone looking out for me to make sure I wouldn't get any more deluded and potentially dangerous.
@@comicop2513 I think its fair that Dooku was suspicious and was vigilant of the sith's return but his lust for combat and for the sith to be eradicated was too much
@@zos.o Self-fulfilling prophecy. By not acknowledging Dooku's views and treating him with disdain, Dooku was forced to look for his own path. Had Yoda been more receptive and helped Dooku channel his research, they may have actually found Sidious. Ironically Dooku was more right in that the Jedi were the puppets of the senate, and Yoda's stubborn disbelief blinded the jedi.
The whole reason why the dark side had such immense pull was because of the arrogance and complacency of the Jedi council. If they started embracing all aspects of the force and were open to more ideas, they would’ve never been bamboozled by the Sith.
@Joseph Stalin Not necessarily. If anything, it would make it harder for Palpatine to be able to just sneak in. A more "gray" Jedi order would have an easier time picking him out, since they'd be able to recognize the foul stench of one who has fully given in to the dark side a LOT more easily since they would know where to look.
@@VestedUTuber what is a gray Jedi? I thought it was just a force user who uses the light side of the force but does not agree with or want to be part of the teachings of the Jedi council.
I love how everyone complaining about Yoda not being very wise, or too faithful to the jedi way completely forget that the only "wise" version of Yoda we saw that didn't care for the traditional jedi worldview was after the jedi order blew up in his face and he had to rethink his life choices for over a decade while hiding in a swamp planet.
The “counter balance” bit was pretty funny, it a blade made of plasma. It doesn’t have a noticeable weight to speak of, so it would not need a counter balance.
Star Wars technobabble explains have some heft to them due to the magnetic fields keeping the blade in form. It's nonsense but whilst the blade itself weighs nothing, there's still an illusion of weight when you swing it.
Saber vs saber is when there would be weight. The force i assume. Like Darth Vader was known for crushing blows that would disarm and kill because the weight of them.
Because lightsabers don’t simply pass threw each other i don’t think they are completely plasma and even if they are but don’t pass threw each other they’d act as two solid objects on contact, it would still have leverage over another persons weight and energy behind their attack.
There’s a saying “One often encounters their destiny on the path to avoid it” Yoda’s single minded belief in the siths extinction rather than at least entertain the thought of small remnants remaining, perhaps in the unexplored regions is what drove Dooku from the order. Had he listened and given the thought the time of day perhaps he could’ve even sensed Sidious coming.
Yep, Yoda basically did the same thing to anakin as well. His, along with the rest of the console's single minded conservative additude resulted in ankin's resentment towards them. I think deep down, they all knew what the prophacy about "bringing balance to the force" really meant and didn't want to train anakin.
I actually have a theory about Dooku, especially after seeing this video, though I'd need too read the audiobook too fully understand it. What if Dooku's turn to the dark side was a farce, an attempt too root out the remaining with and their possible apprentices. You said yourself that his style was more too maim than kill. At the same time, you also played a clip of him injuring Obi Wan instead of killing him. What if all it was just a ploy to kill Sidious?
I'm pretty sure that is what he had originally planned, but after meeting Sidious he changed his plans a bit when he realized how much he could learn from him. He still planned on overthrowing Sidious but he needed allies first. Anakin would have probably ended up being that, you know, use Sidious new apprentice against him. But unfortunately that never happened as Sidious was never intending to let Dooku live after Anakin became his apprentice.
Damn, first half of this vid makes it seem as if the Jedi were so cock-sure of themselves that there was no threat that they would even appear at ribbon cutting ceremonies for newly opened Wal-Mart's and McDonalds.
My favorite thing was after he draws his saber and salutes, his little flourish at the end. It was simple but just looked so clean like you were about to see a master at work
Yeah ikr For Dooku Yoda made the exception of taking him on as a apprentice when that was against the norms. Dooku: Time to betray the Jedi Order. Jedi Council makes a exception and takes Anakin in and gives him knighthood without making him take the Jedi trials. Anakin: Time to betray the Jedi Order.
His obsession drove him down a path that allowed him to be manipulated into becoming a Sith Lord. The question... then did the first crack happen? I reckon he was already lost by the time Yoda had noticed him. Also... it might well be that him turning to the Dark Side was the Will of the Force. A pawn to help cause balance once more?
Like with Revan or exar kun, still though it seems like the jedi almost never learn, heck even the code was still the same since kotor 1 era, hell wouldnt be surprised if they dismissed teachings from meetra suriks force wielding companions and deemed them unnecessary, Kreia would facepalm with her last remaining hand.
A common misconception that balance means "using Dark and Light" together, it's also a misconception that balance is caused by the "number" of light and darksiders in the galaxy, it stems deeper than that. There are more than just the Jedi and the Sith out there using the Force. Whilst I really don't like the Sequels, there is one line from Luke in TLJ that hits the nail on the head: "the belief that if the Jedi die the light dies is vanity", and the same applies to the Sith or anyone else. Light and Dark represent life and death in the Force, but the problem of unbalance is when people start using the Dark when it should be left untouched to "natually" do its thing, but living beings using the Force of "death" as it were (which is why the Darkside is so destructive), poisons the light (the living Force) and causes chaos. The reason for the unbalance is that the Sith grew very powerful and their power overshadowed the light in the universe even though there were far more Jedi in existance than Sith. The Darkside is not meant to have a "tangible" presense in the universe, as that is what causes "unbalance", the Darkside should be left untouched in its own realm, as a background energy which automatically shifts in accordance to how much life (light) there is in the universe. Balance means using and having the presense of the light only in the "realm of the light" (the realm of the living, the physical universe where people live) and the Dark only existing on another plain but mirrors the Light, balancing out the cycle of life and death in the universe, allowing people to become one with the Force naturally (going to heaven basically). When the Dark enters the physical realm and unbalance is caused, it's destructive and even blocks people off from becoming one with the Force, leaving only empty voids (and is a reason Darksiders can't move on after death, they either are destroyed altogether or their spirits bound to the physical realm where they can't escape and end up going mad, like the ghosts of Korriban).
Sifo-Dyas made Dooku break into the relic room. Kostanna was testing Dooku to see his reaction to the Dark Side and if he was "ready" to go on a relic-hunt with her to "combat" the Dark Side....he was not. Sifo-Dyas and Dooku usually stuck to the rules and were "good boys"....but occasionally Master Kostanna butted heads with the Jedi High Council and bent rules and regulations along with Dooku and Sifo-Dyas...yeah the guy who comes up in Attack of The Clones.
. Mythology aside, Dooku's light saber 3:43 was designed by a Filipino member of George Lucas' production team. He came up with the idea based on an ancient Filipino sword called Barong. Lucas liked the design, and thus, Dooku's saber was born. Here is the Barong sword : th-cam.com/video/l-CzzEGePvQ/w-d-xo.html
All of you guy Shitting on yoda for "being arrogant" really underestimate the sith Even The whole jedi order were start actively looking for the Sith do you really think they could find them? Two people in a whole galaxy? Palpatine was right under their nose and they didn't know. Luke Skywalker's nephew Jacen solo was a sith and He didn't know until it is too late. In the legacy comics, Kol skywalker and the Jedi knew from jump street that that the sabotage was done by sith and were STILL overtaken by them. Please quit putting and blaming everything on Yoda, The Sith are just simply good at deception, always have been.
@@justinamey7116 It's the new thing. In the new canon, every single book, comic, and even TCW has to somehow push a narrative that the Jedi are just horrible people. It used to be a lot more nuanced, with more uncertainty of who was right, who was wrong, and where to place blame(yaknow, like the real world), yet still maintaining the heroes as the people you root for.
Imagine someone came up to you and said they were training to become the best dragon killer around. You'd look at them like they're a lunatic. That's how I like to think of the Jedi's stubbornness surrounding the Sith by that time. The Sith were basically a myth by then.
@@justinamey7116 "Yoda was a fool" and "The Sith were hypercompetent" aren't mutually exclusive ideas. The Sith definitely knew what they were doing. But there were still times _IN MOVIE CANON_ where they had to act in the open directly against a Jedi. And yet the Jedi order refused to believe the testimonies _of highly-acclaimed members of their own order._ And even when they finally accepted that the Sith had returned, they still refused to listen when Dooku himself practically ratted out his master. Blame isn't zero-sum. Blaming one thing doesn't somehow magically take away blame from something else.
Does this mean the dooku hilt is near? Lol Also isn't it cus it’s a duelist weapon? Ps I'll edit after completing the vid Edit: well that took days to finish...
It’s interesting to me that doku’s lightsaber design reminds me of a fencing foils gun grip, it’s a grip meant to let you hold it with the point more in line with your arm so you could more comfortably stab at your opponent. Where as the standard foil handle was better for slicing and or point control. So yeah, it makes sense dokus handle made it more effective for duels cus it allowed him to effectively change every strike by simply adjusting his grip slightly.
Everyone here is talking as if Dooku left the Jedi while still Yoda's apprentice. Don't forget, Dooku was granted the rank of Master & took Qui-Gon Jinn as *his* apprentice before leaving the order. I'm guessing he had to stick around at least long enough for Qui-Gon to become a Master., so it's not like he just up & took off.
Qui-Gonn's death was another reason he left. Previously he had spoken quite a bit on his emotional worried and such with his former padawan, and as Qui-Gonn was a Grey jedi he worked perfectly as a kind of mediator for him.
It depends on which canon actually, in Legends he is cultivated by Palpatine shortly before the Phantom Menace and speaks out publicly after Qui-gon dies before retiring In Canon he retires a full decade prior, only a couple years after Obi-Wan began his Padawanship.
@@LoreStar Agreed, l wonder if Bane would have the time to realize he is outmatched in a saber duel before resorting to Force powers. l'd argue he would have the uper hand in regards to use of the Force, he has more knowledged wia holocrons (especially Revan's), and depends as well if he has the Orbalisk armor. lnteresting duel though !
@@MogoFromHell I agree, in a saber-to-saber duel, Dooku would win. Even though Dooku was also one of the most gifted force wielders of his time, I don't think he would stand up to Bane. He would really only be able to win if the two agreed to not incorporate force powers (or filled the duelling arena with Ysalimiri or something...)
@@DarthLolly Dooku was ordered to hold back and taunt, but then Anakin tapped into the Dark side and it backfired. Big time. That and he's the chosen one, he's really good considering the age and training he has.
In my opinion, Dooku is an awesome character, not just because he's played by the late Christopher Lee but he is one character that has been trained by Yoda and had trained Jin although he died
Uhh...are we still sure that the Jedi are the "good guys" here? Pretty much everything in this video paints the Jedi as incompetent, and Yoda as an ignorant manipulator. Using the force to invade someone's mind against their will, to alter/remove their memories? That is pretty horrifying, considering it's a "light side" ability, whereas Darth Plagueis' ability to save lives is "dark side" ability. The Jedi denying the existence of the Sith, and actively working to suppress the abilities of a promising student who just wanted to ensure that the threat really was gone? Oh, and he was totally correct the whole time...the Sith weren't gone. Never mind the fact that they committed genocide (or attempted genocide) against a group of people who just adopt a different view of the force. Not all Sith are evil, but the Jedi want them dead anyway.
I don't think the sith and jedi are really as black and white as they're initially painted to be. One is not simply good or bad. It comes down to the individuals on each side I feel with what can be defined as such.
Seems like a case of Order vs Chaos and Belief vs Emotion. The Jedi Order is a very rigid hierarchy deeply rooted in the pursuit of an unattainable ideal. The Sith pre-Rule of 2 were a loose collection of tenuous alliances formed by individuals who draw power by converting their rage, dispair, fear, ambition, etc into a motivating force. Both lived extreme and unhealthy lifestyles. The prequel trilogy and its related materials perfectly setup a potential sequel trilogy that could explore the concept of a middle ground, and The Last Jedi was so close to knocking it out of the park, but suddenly undid all of Luke's development in the climax..
+Arnox Immordium What would you call the complete 180 in belief Luke took when Yoda showed up and said "the Jedi are good, you're wrong Luke" and Luke responded "oh, okay"
It would have been interesting to see an alternate reality where Dooku goes and helps the boys arrest Papa Palpatine, with an "I told you so attitude".
Most importantly Yoda never said anything at all about Dooku’s lightsaber in the book…The only thing Yoda ever said close to this is when Dooku and Kostana are dueling Yoda sees and says “stop” and says that the Sith are extinct… Master Kostana was the one who was arguing with Yoda that the Jedi should be prepared for the Sith. Not Dooku. In the book it never specifically says why Dooku chose to make a curved hilt. Though I see where the connection to being prepared for Sith can come up. In the book Dooku is hoping to be chosen by Master Kostana for apprenticeship and is disappointed when she chooses Syfo Dias. Then after Yoda chooses Dooku and so Dooku quickly gets over that. In the book it never says exactly why Yoda picked Dooku as an apprentice. Lorestar statement about that has to be an assumption. Also yes Yoda ignored Dooku at the beginning of Dooku’s apprenticeship But nowhere does it specifically say that Yoda refused to teach Dooku further in lightsaber training! Yet another statement made by Lorestar that is too much of a stretch in my opinion! By Dooku’s duel with master Kostana we can take liberty to assume that Dooku was already better than most Jedi with a lightsaber at the age of 14 or 15… But Master Sinube was the one who trained initiates at lightsaber training! And Master Sinube told Dooku that Dooku was his BEST student.
We see the Jedi High Council's failings at every level in the Clone Wars; Ki-Adi-Mundi was out of touch, Luminara Unduli was too rigid in thought and practice to be an effective military commander, Shaak Ti should never have been put in command of a padawan training class much less the Clone Battalion on Kamino, Kit Fisto was a failure as a teacher with his last student failing to understand the jedi role and getting himself killed against Grievous, Eeth Koth was so unskilled he embarrassed himself. Yoda and Mace Windu kept so many secrets its no surprise what happened there. Even Obi Wan's hands weren't clean as he complied with many an order he felt was wrong. The only Jedi that were on the High Council that seemed to be worth a damn beyond Kenobi were probably Plo Koon, Depa Billaba, and they both died in Order 66...
ROFL. I love how he says "to counterweight the weight of the blade" without even a fraction of self-awareness, just like most of the movie makers. It's a fucking lightsaber; everything beyond the hilt is fucking *energy*.
@@Vhetration69 Yeah, sorry, no. Even watching the movies, you can tell the blades have weight, even though they shouldn't. It's never more obvious than when one gets thrown.
@@DocFunkenstein the blades in the movies have weight. They used props, to achieve the effects. In the perspective of the lore, only the hilt carries weight on the light saber,not the energy. This is a video discussing certain aspects of the lore of Dooku's light saber, not the physical prop used in real life, which isn't a real light saber.. When the man said that in the video he was referring to the hilt. Yes, if you don't live under a rock, you have heard people refer to knives in general, as a whole, hilt included, as blades before. So what you just said isn't even in context relative with the point of the video. so. 'yeah, sorry,no' to you, my friend.
@@Vhetration69 No shit, Sherlock. But even this clown is saying stupid shit like "counterweight the WEIGHT OF THE BLADE." Dude, just stop. You're the personification of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
@@DocFunkenstein I would try to at least use insults, and terms correctly before using them. Now you just made yourself look like an idiot. I'm not wasting my time over someone who ignores past experience and the facts of others. Which, by the way, is as simple as a few google searches now a days. I make my leave.
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Do you think Count Dooku would have turned to the Darkside if Yoda had encouraged Dooku's lightsaber, and not been so ignorant of the Sith threat?
Lore Star why’d you change the thumbnail?
Last time i was this early, it was dash star
I thought the new one looked better. Did you like the old one?
Lore Star nah just wondering lol
It's most likely so
You could tell that Dooku's refined Lightsaber combat style was reminiscent to Christopher Lee's real life reputation as a world class fencer. He was involved in more on screen swordfights than any other actor alive as well as do his own stunts. It goes without saying that Christopher Lee is a badass
It may go without saying, but I still like to say it whenever possible.
@@LoreStar You and me both. In regards to swordfighting, he had this to say "The most important thing about a swordfight... is to make it look like you intend to kill the other person, and as quickly as possible".
having participated in a for fun saber dueling class patterned from real world martial arts with actual martial artists teaching weapon combat with stunt lightsabers, dooku's saber design is genius. trying to pull of fencing based moves with a normal lightsaber is darn near impossible and murder on your wrist.
@@Kalev225 there's a reason that actual fencing epees and sabres in real life usually have slightly curved / ergonomically designed grips! haha
I hope you saw the 1978 version of The Three (and Four) Musketeers, with Sir Christopher Lee playing Count Roquefort. The fencing in that movie was incredible!
Having a curved hilt give an unfair advantage in dueling. You know what's also unfair? Being a small difficult to hit object doing low hits. Anyone who fights against Yoda in Soulcalibur IV will agree.
It’s yodaa what do u expect
PREACH.
This was all i could think of during the video
Slappers only, no oddjob.
No it didn't... Knowledge of makashi/form 2 gave him the unfair advantage.
"Yoda didn't believe there were still Sith around, so I became one myself just to proof him wrong."
This, TBH
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He IS the MOST INTERESTING MAN IN THE GALAXY.
Many Jedi became a dark Jedi inside subconsciously,
Jedi Temple was literally hiding a Sith temple inside with Palepatine using it to influence the Jedi.
@@navycalvin9337 tru
I miss Christopher Lee. I miss knowing he was out there.
@Luis Martinez it's cringe that a beloved actor died?
I hope he knew Jesus.
Luis Martinez Doesn’t mean we can’t respect the work he did.
I miss his metal band!
@Luis Martinez where did he say his "entire life"?
Where Master Yoda failed him, Sidious would manipulate him... just as it was with Anakin. Great video.
I actually love how when you learn more about Yoda and look further into it he's a very flawed character. In the movies it always looks like he's the wisest and one of the strongest jedi but in the end the jedi fell when he was grandmaster. The signs were there but he failed to notice them and in turn he also failed Dooku.
I agree with you on this one. Imagine a force user with Dooku's power, weildling a form of saber combat designed to wipe the floor with saber users, under the Emporers full control. I think Anakin wouldn't have stood a chance, and niether would any untrained force user after him, even for generations to come.
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@@alexwyffels9788 Yoda was only wise because how much he screwed up, and learned from his mistakes.
Yoda fear of power let the power to become untrained and fickle to be manipulated to the dark side.
To explain it to gamers, he build a sword that was too OP for pvp and Yoda as the OG did not like the new meta.
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Dooku was never a true Sith. He merely went with the Armin's ideals from SnK:
"To have the strength to combat the monster, one must become the monster himself."
Since his first appearance in Attack of the Clones, Dooku made it clear that his wish was to destroy the Sith Order completely, and some other media it is elaborated that he never wanted to rule the Galaxy, as he considered himself unfit to do so despite his noble heritage. He only wanted to break and reassemble the corrupt Republic and get rid of the Sith for good. And to achieve that, he undertook drastic measures.
That's why I feel that Clone Wars didn't do justice to Dooku. While his style was clearly shown as much more elegant and refined than in the films, his overall personality felt much more machiavellian and downright evil. Not to mention he didn't appear at all in the Season Seven, which I consider a crime against humanity.
I agree
he was dead in season seven
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He was also shoe horned into the story. I still believe Lucas' idea was to reveal jar jar as the bumbling fool who was the master, the same way Yoda was revealed in ESB just reversed. Since jar jar got terrible reception, Lucas changed his mind and that's where dooku got shoe horned in.
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Yo like no diss on yoda he’s cool and all but his “wise actions” literally led to 2 Jedi turning to the dark side, like his dogmatic way of obeying the Jedi code made him blind to nuance. And palpatine knew that and heeavily took advantage of it.
Thats why he told luke to go to the dark side tunnel because he knew for balance you must experience both light side and dark side
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1st off Dooku and Anakin were stuck in their ways. They were going to fall to Dark side no matter what what Yoda or anyone did. Anakin was keeping secrets bottled up and Dooku was just wanting to ingest knowledge of the dark side. 2nd Those who usually question anything about the light side falls. Look at Luke's order, those who went thought the pace without much questioning did well. Those you did fell ( rosh penin, Kyp Durron, Tahiri viela, Jacen Solo just to name a few) Luke's flexible approach blinded him from jacen to much just Yoda was to dooku was Anakin and luke was "suppose" to be more in tune to the dark side. Yoda had every right to be dogmatic, he oversaw 10's of thousands Jedi knights without fail.
He continuously offered guidance to hundreds I think. a few bad eggs are expected
I think every Jedi knew in the back of their head they were too ritualistic to the Jedi of old.
In fairness, Master Yoda, though mostly Jedi only weild lightsabers, more than just Jedi engage in melee. Vibroblades are uncommon but not non-existent in combat, and many cultures like the Tuscan raiders on Tatoonie still engage in combat with gaffi sticks. I would also argue that any combat technique that will defeat an adept swordsman will equally slay any large and feral beast just as effectively.
It is also worth mentioning, though lightsaber combat is a focus in Form 2, its focus on disarming an opponent should be noted, especially opposed to other students who study Form 5, which practices and even promotes lethal force.
I'm looking at you, Anakin.
"I see through the lies of the jedi".
In combat a technique for going against someone with a sword is going to be different than a technique designed to fight a large beast the same way soldiers don't normally use anti-tank guns against infantry.
That said, you're pretty much right in everything else. Who are you who are so wise in the lore of Star Wars?
"any combat technique that will defeat an adept swordsman will equally slay any large and feral beast just as effectively." That could not be further from the truth. If you had any sword fighting experience, be it HEMA or olympic fencing or kenjutsu, or even any kind of martial arts whatsoever, you'd know this.
I disagree that a sword technique that defeats a swordsman could defeat a massive beast
It doesn’t make any sense because swordsmen would use a technique a big animal wouldn’t
Why wouldn't you use the force to disable opponents if you are facing a nonforce user in melee?
In any case, a Jedi should be able to out speed their opponent, regardless of combat style.
I love how flawed the Jedi are. Their own laws caused so many to turn to the dark side but Jedi would blame the will of a person rather than question their own dogma and way of life. And when Obi says, “Only a Sith deals in absolutes.” That statement is an absolution.
No idea why this comment had no likes underrated.
Never noticed that before, but you're absolutely right, that statement from Obi-wan is a very hypocrite one
its actually why Yoda told Obi Wan not to train Luke from a young age, after Dooku and the fight with Palpatine, Yoda finally realized just how flawed the jedi order had become and ordered Obi Wan to only train Luke if he wished to be trained and how he wanted to be trained, and as a result Luke actually became a more powerful jedi than Yoda as he was able to train in a much more efficient and personalized matter as he was lead by the force and not an education system.
It's literally what the movies tell us and so many fans can't pay attention to this simple fact.
Imposing your control amd will on a group will eventually lead to the collapse of said control.
Why do people keep interpreting the quote this say... I don't understand how everyone completely misses the point of the "only a sith deals in absolutes". He is not literally saying everyone who says an absolute is a sith.
People completely gloss over the context of when it's being said.
Obi-wan is arguing with Anakin, when Anakin demands that everything submit to his new Empire and Obi-Wan shouts that we are supposed to fight for democracy.
Anakin replies "you are either with me or against me", in which Obi-Wan responds with the quote, because Anakin is refusing to argue and have a debate.
That's the whole point of "dealing in absolutes". A person who doesn't allow debate or politics, who demand that everyone submit to their views.
Obi-wan making that claim is not hypocritical, nor is he "dealing in absolutes". He is not dealing in anything, it's a response to Anakin who has already rejected any alternative outcome.
The more we learn of the backstories of force using characters, the more clueless master Yoda appears.
It's worse than that... Yoda is *arrogant.*
Only because authors and writers take a dump on Yoda's character. You'd be foolish to think this was the true Yoda all along. No, this Yoda came out because of inept writing.
Dealing in absolutes he does, believe Master Kenobi and a Sith he is.
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@@hectorandem2944 arrogant no, prideful yes. he ends up looking like little more than a little green ball of hubris.
Yoda failed to train Jedi to adapt to the current Sith. The Sith adapted, but the Jedi kept training to fight the Sith of the past.
I think it's worth remembering that while Yoda was indeed very wise and knowledgeable, he was also wrong about _a lot._ He mishandled Anakin from the start, mishandled the Jedi involvement in the Clone Wars, and allowed himself and his order to be manipulated by Sidious. In fact, Yoda has fairly consistently struggled to cope with anyone or anything unorthodox within the Jedi order. He couldn't handle Anakin, couldn't handle Qui-Gon, couldn't handle Dooku.
The Revenge of the Sith novelisation sums it up rather nicely, I feel:
"The Sith had changed. The Sith had grown, had adapted, had invested a thousand years' intensive study into every aspect of not only the Force but Jedi lore itself, in preparation for exactly this day. The Sith had remade themselves.
"They had become _new._
"While the Jedi -
"The Jedi had spent that same millennium training to re-fight the _last_ war."
And later...
"Too old I was," Yoda said. "Too rigid. Too arrogant to see that the old way is not the _only_ way. These Jedi, I trained to become the Jedi who had trained me, long centuries ago - but those ancient Jedi, of a different time they were. Changed, has the galaxy. Changed, the order did not - because _let_ it change, _I_ did not."
The wise Yoda we see in Empire Strikes Back is a Yoda who has spent the last 20 years of his life reflecting on all his past mistakes, and knowing that, when the time came, there would be just one (ok, maybe two, since there was another) last chance to set right what he had contributed to allowing to go awry, and if he didn't get it right this time, the galaxy was screwed for possibly forever.
There's a case to say that Yoda's longevity and concomitant de-sensitivity to the vicissitudes of mortality has much to do with this. He's watched countless Padawans grow up, age and die. He has seen many revolutions uprise and fall, with the same outcomes, all across the Galaxy. When we meet him, the world he knew as a young, hopeful, idealistic young Jedi has long since collapsed and became practically ancient. He spends hundreds of years alone as the only living being in his vicinity who remembers certain things, and no-one around him cares much about those things unless they are directly relevant to the teachings of the Order. He doubtless became tired of seeing futile turns of Life's Wheel, and stopped seeing the changes around him. Perhaps during the Clone Wars or sometime after, he decided to focus only on the purity of the Force, and finally stop trying to keep up with a world he didn't know anymore---and who could blame him?
He was wrong about Ahsoka during her trial as well.
@@adamwu4565 There's no such thing as forever in this galaxy. A Sith ascendency would breed a Jedi resurgence just like a Jedi ascendency bred a Sith resurgance. The surviving Jedi would return to their roots, rediscover where their true strength lay just as the Sith had done, and then return to provide balance once more.
In my personal oppinion this is an important point. The "light side" of the might is not really "good" in itself.
The traits are much more general. I think this was very good executed by "Star Wars: The old Republik". Control your emotions. Follow orders. etc. The light side is a very conservative - and Yoda is a good example. Don't question the status quo. Follow the rules and so on.
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I like the idea that Jedi just begin to force bend their lightsaber hilts, ultimately destroying them in the process.
I get that reference
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Good comment
I think that logically, had Yoda supported him, he would have felt validated, and his thoughts and practice appreciated. He would have had no reason to leave the Jedi, and could have fought against the Sith.
But Yoda's arrogance blinded him to even the possibility that he could be wrong, and so he dismissed Dooku's opinions. And if you want to foster animosity and discontent in someone, just treat his thoughts with complete contempt, and dismiss everything he tells you. You know, like Yoda did.
"You're arrogance blinds you, Master Yoda."
In all seriousness, yes, he and many other Jedi of his time seem to have been blinded by Arrogance and hubris. This literally played right into the hands of the Sith.
Another thing that bugged me about the Jedi is that they were supposed to be guardians and peace keepers, but they seldom acted on behalf of those who really needed them, and just became mere servants of the Repiblic. They became far removed from those who they were supposed to protect.
This pretty much sums up why the Jedi fell
Their arrogance led them to blindness and that caused them to fail
Very good point of view. Sidious was absolutely correct when he said the jedi had their heads up their asses. And it was their downfall.
Sounds very much like the tragedy that befell Anakin.
Low Gunfire you literally beat me to the comment
Dooku was made so much better by the fact that Christopher Lee was in fact a real life "Olympic" level fencer. From what I heard he didn't require much if any instructions for the lightsaber combat scenes in the movies. The man was a living legend
Also a really fun fact:
Back in ancient rome there was a king who had his sword like Dooku's one,curved. And christofer lee is actually a decendent of the king
@@thenigerianprince7017 Christofer Lee is like the main character and we are just npcs
@@thenigerianprince7017 no shit? *THATS AWESOME*
It's crazy, too, you can SEE the confidence and stoicism in his pose and movement, too... you can tell he's not just "ACTING" . Or like K.R. training for the John Wick movies~~~
~it's the exact OPPOSITE EQUAL of my fondness for "actors pretending to know nothing about ACTING" (ie, the original Ghostbusters, when they made the "commercial" and Spengler is clearly looking at the "floor marker" for where he is supposed to stand when he speaks... Or the *SUPERNATURAL* episode "The French Mistake" wherein they end up IRL as "Jensen" and "Jared" and have to pretend they know *NOTHING* about acting... even with Dean reading the subtext in his lines in the script "Dean says ANGRILY" )
As much as I would like to agree on all of this story's about my beloved Christopher Lee. Just a quick reality check;
Lee did never fight himself in the starwars films. His face was used but the choreography was done by a double. Not to say that he can't do it, in fact he was swordfighting in many movies befor. But he himself said, well into his 80s that his feet are not fast enough anymore to actually do the fighting.
The story with the nameless king who is supposedly related to Mister Lee. Well, I guess the source is "Dude - trust me" lmao
Count Dooku's lightsaber: exists
Yoda: Flatten the curve I will
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Imagine a trilogy movies of a young Dooku and Syfo Dyas
Disney would rather make one for Rey lol
@@Tuxy41 haha tru
Young Dooku and Qui gon
that would be legendary but old republic/ the clone wars time wont be made or remade sadly
Could we see a young Dooku appear in The Acolyte?
Yoda: Fear leads to dark side
Also Yoda: *Procids to gets scared of his padawan trying to fight evil forces*
All those terrible rules the Jedi Order made were almost all adopted out of fear. Fear that Jedi trainees would be tempted by the Dark Side and fall.
Someday people will begin to understand the difference between fear and apprehension.
@@ЖамекЖамек-н6ч they're almost the same, just that fear is less vague; the words are literally right next to each other on the archaic definition though
Interesting how of all people to choose from Dooku chose Qui-Gon, the model Jedi as his padawan. I don't think it's a coincidence that both of them were one of the few unorthodox Jedi in the order but it's interesting how Qui-Gon's led him on the complete opposite path it led his master. I would really love to see their banter and how much influecne they had on each other. Honestly Qui-Gon doesn't get enough love and hopefully you could cover him.
Qui-Gon was more a true jedi than every member of the jedi counsel.
@@I_like_turtles_67
In the ROTS novel, Yoda even comes to admit that Qui-Gon became a greater Jedi than he could ever hope to be.
Qui Gon was the real G
People always forget that Qui-Gon taught Yoda and Obi-Wan how to become a force ghost... *he just figured it out himself*
Like, he basically meditated his way to immortality through unity with the Force, and then turned up to remind the Jedi "grandmaster" what it meant to actually be a Jedi
Jimbo Slice Not a full force ghost, but he certainly pointed them in the right direction, and defied what the Jedi thought impossible.
I love it how Form 2 is literally just fencing techniques.
I’m about to show you how old Dooku is. Dooku’s padawan’s, padawan has a padawan who has a padawan. (Dooku, Qui-Gon, Kebobi, Anakin, and Ashoka Tano).
And 2 of them were denied the rank of 'Master'.
who is Kebobi
@@eyeballfox4048 Ah yes the neBotiator
@@eyeballfox4048 Bobi Wan
Shish Kebobi
Even Yoda himself admits he failed. Had Yoda treated the situation as if an incase scenario he could of continued to train Dooku in the right path. He would've been the Jedi's top weapon against the Sith. Imagine if Dooku was still a Jedi at the time of the phantom menace. It would of most likely been Dooku and Jinn against Darth Maul. Who knows Anakin might have become Dooku's apprentice at his age with the dark knowledge Dooku was exposed to, yet was trained to prevent self corruption. Skywalker vs Sidious would've been the greatest lightshow the galaxy would have ever seen.
Yeah, and Dooku would have been able to dispose of Maul alone of needed as well, he would not have been phased by a double bladed lightsaber, which he knew well & regarded as a mostly gimmicky weapon with more disadvantages than advantages over a standard lightsaber, at least against anyone not getting confused by the way a doubl-bladed saber is used.
Dooku was still a Jedi at the time of the Phantom Menace. It was the decision to train Anakin that was the last straw for him, and he left.
@@histguy101 Dooku was already disillusioned with the Jedi at that time. The death of his former apprentice was the final straw for him. Mainly because he had trained for such a event and was rebuked resulting in Jinns death. And from everything i understand he had little knowledge that Jinn was supposed to have been Anakin's master. Had he held his loyalty in honor of his fallen apprentice he would have took training Anakin himself. Knowing it was Jinns last wish he would have done it and no offense to Obi-won would have been a more experienced master.
Anakin would probably lose to Sidious. The Only reason mace could win was because he spent most of his life training to fight with and against the dark side.
@@TBDF12 Yes, but Anakin was also not as strong as Palpatine in the first place, Palpatine's master taught him the technique to influence life, meaning he could have effectively been immortal if not for Rey destroying him in Rise of Skywalker.
"A wise man, in times of peace, prepares for war."
I forget who that quote is from (Aristotle or some other ancient philosopher), but it fits this perfectly. The Jedi were foolish to believe that the Sith were gone for good, and they should have been preparing themselves for their eventual return. Ironic that only Dooku was concerned about this (and that one Master), and prepared himself for this, only to be rejected by even his own master.
No offense to the elders and authorities, but I really hate it when they get this arrogant, "I'm never wrong, because I'm your elder/superior" attitude. It comes to show what power and authority can do to you, if they're left unchecked.
Would “that one Jedi master” be Sifo Dyas?
It's not really a quote. It's an adage said by many. Kind of how treat others as you'd be treated is
I agree. Parents who say "bEcAuSe i sAiD sO" are arguably the worst kind. What really gets me is that a lot of them don't even TRY to reason with their children but just drop that trump card wherever applicable. Then, once the child either has constructive arguments (but gets called dIsReSpEcTfUl) or the parent is proven to be wrong entirely, their credibility is all but gone in the child's mind and they "turn to the dark side" breaking the rules whenever they want.
@@wildgurgs3614 completely true. It teaches you that people, even those who say they love you, will lie to control you and punish you for thinking and asking questions.
Beyond parents expect the same "because I said" from employers and "because I'll beat the s*** out of you" from the majority of stupid males. Thanks to feminism you can add "because I'll lie to the police that you assaulted me and nobody will believe a man over a woman."
Society of Psychopaths! Woot!
I disagree. I believe that their preparing for war was why they fell, because they played right into sheevs plan
It's amazing the level of lore appears to some cinematic requests. Samuel l Jackson wanting a purple blade, Christopher Lee wanting a handle that is like his own sword(one modeled after his ancestor, charlemagne's). This level of lore is why I love star wars
Dooku is one of the most interesting characters in star wars imo. A great jedi, extremely powerful, possibly the best swordsman ever seen, driven away due to lack of faith in his peers and the people he served. I doubt he wouldve left if the jedi had been more cautious
[In Palpatine voice] Ironic, he sought to destroy the Sith, but became one himself!
You had said that you would destroy the sith, not join them!
Lore Star Bring balance to the galaxy, not leave it in chaos!
@@tweso1499 *darkness
He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster
Was he a Sith though
Jedi= Lawful Stupid.
Sith= Chaotic Stupid
Revanist for the win
Mandos= Chaotic Badasses
That's why you go outside the good and evil bubble and become a Gray Jedi
@@AlexsaurusRex agreed but then what if everyone was a grey jedi
Grey Jedi= Neutral Smart
"Doku was Yodas final padawan"
Luke:"Hello darkness my old friend"
Wasn't Mace Windu next Yoda padawan?
Technically yoda wasn't a Jedi anymore at that point, as he'd forsaken the title. Sure it's semantics but still.
Darkness--is that you...no I have no idea where the illadari, illadin or the sit--oh wrong universes?'
Yoda: Train you in the force, I will
Luke: so am I your padawan then?
Yoda: nah
Luke: :(
@@gorkskoal9315 Good...gooooood.
Yoda spending all this time being pissed at Dooku for chasing sith legends. Yet Dooku was right all along.
Dooku is literally
“Why are you booing me, I’m right”
That's why the tenth man system is superior, if nine people believe there is no problem (in this case no Sith) the tenth man must believe and do all in his power to combat it.
Christ how many accounts do you have? Moustache, no moustache, goatee, no goatee. You're persistent I'll give you that
It's not a conspiracy if they're out to get you..
You're everywhere.
Yoda is quite toxic really to Dooku, like imagine your friend just entering your mind and calling you crazy hhhaa
Yoda was quite toxic to Anakin, took. Telling him to drop his feelings for his mom. Hoda was so bad piece of shit, that I was used that sidiuos didn't kick his ass Evan more
And btw, using the force to mind wipe someone or control them in any way is in fact a DARK SIDE technique. What in the blazes is Yoda, the Jedi grandmaster, doing using a dark side technique if he is in fact supposed to be a beacon of good and hope.
Defending Dooku’s near obsession in refining his dueling skills, it’s always better to have & not need, than need & not have. And skills meant for self defense are absolutely useless if they can be overwhelmed or outdone.
Obi Wan has entered the chat
@@histguy101 Obi-Wan's fighting style wasn't really "Self defence".İt was a style,he used his defence as offence as he could parry/deflect into enemies stances with making them off balance with tough blocks or swift guard breaks. Also he said "If it could be owerwhelmed".Well he is right in this scenario as Obi-Wan only AND ONLY practiced this style after his masters death and became too good at it that his defence was almost unpenetrable.Other jedi on the other hand wasn't as good as Obi-Wan and got wrecked when it comes to defence dueling.
Let me save you 12 minutes.
Curved hilt is made to fight other lightsaber users. At the time the only lightsaber users were other jedi. That's why yoda didn't like it.
Thx
So he was mad that somebody might have usurped his title of best duelist in the order
Creed lol how’d you get that from that
Thx
@@creed8712 not really but ok
Given all I know of Dooku, no, he would not have turned. Honestly, I’m pretty sure that even as a Sith, his ultimate goal was to destroy the Sith and the Jedi along with them since he viewed the Jedi as corrupt pawns of a corrupt senate.
Honestly that is one of the problems I had with the Jedi Council in the various times, including the Old Republic games..they were very VERY uptight and full of the belief they knew everything and that those below them should listen without question, even when something as important as the Sith was concerned. Yoda it could be argued..somewhat..in his defense that he was already old during the prequels and thus let his old age and stubborn belief that the threat of the Sith was not there get to him..in turn it made him chase a ghost of his own in the fact the hilt of Dooku's Lightsaber would be a foretelling of his fall to the darkside which in turn became a self fulfilling prophecy..he brought it about himself due to his own stubborn refusal to see any merit in Dooku's worries.
Just like the exile or revan
Siidiois line to yoda was spot on and was a message not to just yoda but all jedi "your arrogance blinds you " they were the architects of their own downfall and into their abolishment of their order was their own making
@@sidium7344 Yeah, like that, Revan wanted to do something, to actually get involved in the war at the time while the council wanted to do nothing and sit it out iirc. He eventually became so fed up with their stalling and inaction that he broke away to actually do something and save lives.
Yeah, even playing the story arcs in SWTOR on the pub (Republic) side you see the beginning of this kind of mindset. Both the counselor and knight arcs there is this sort of down playing of the Sith order, even after Malgus's raid on the temple on Coruscant you'd think they would be a bit more mindful of what the sith in general. Even the opening cinematic called Return for SWTOR you catch a line in there that just emphasis this same notion again. Through the pub side arcs with the trooper and smuggler too the Republic as a whole practically down plays the seriousness of the sith empire, not just the order the *ENTIRE* empire. And on imp (Imperial) side they capitalize on this, though that side has it's own issues which I would go into detail here. Suffice to say, had they gotten their act together they would have in the end wrecked the Republic.
“You seen that Dooku from Serenno? He’s got a curved lightsaber!
*CURVED. LIGHTSABER.”*
Damn right
Nice Skyrim reference 😂
Yes
What are you doing step Lazer glow stick
Ironicall, all sabers are supposed to be curved. But Star Wars chose to use that word for their very straight weapons because??
Dooku is a prime example of someone who realized that the Jedi had lost their way through, ironically, dealing in absolutes. Unfortunately for him, he was bribed by Sidious and the dark side, which he managed to control quite well, yet falling to it in the process of learning its powers. I love his fighting style and his true importance, and I definitely think we need more Dooku.
Better to be a warrior stuck in a garden, than a gardener stuck in a war.
Dooku's fall mirrors that of Anakin's perfectly. The complacency. All Yoda did was observe and rebuke. He did nothing to prevent the Dooku's fall.
Anakin’s was driven by fear and anger though to the point he became evil. Dooku was more aware than the Jedi and chose to leave with a clear view and understanding of the galaxy. He wasn’t very evil and not even really a bad guy.
The more I see of the Jedi and their lore, the more I realize how flawed their beliefs and actions were. Even in a cinematic universe there's no such thing as absolute good. Had the Jedi listened to Dooku he wouldn't have ended where he did and possibly not held off birth of Vader. Saddening.
their arogance clouded their judgement, and made them weak and foolish.
@@sMASHsound I'm sure there's a quote for it but when you believe that what you're doing is good you'll never see that you might be doing wicked things.
@@Hertacles the road to hell is over with good intentions
@@sMASHsound "You're arrogance has blinded you, Master Yoda"
Yoda was wrong on almost every major account. He even admitted it. Thats why after he lost against sidious he never forged a new lightsaber. He deemed himself unworthy to wield one again.
I don't know why people find it so difficult to take the same argument for why Luke in TLJ was why he was.
huh? him and Palps stale mated
@@danieremia5739
Because Last Jedi is not Star Wars.
@@HumanPhilosopherPatriot Yes it is.
@@gorkskoal9315 No, Yoda lost. Yoda retreated, had to run away, and he ran because he knew he would die if he continued.
I actually thought, it's the handle from a fencing weapon. Those have these "pistol-handle" like designs, and are good for thrusting. Which makes sense, since a lightsabre only needs to "touch" and not really using a blade for cutting. So a thrust is fast and has range, and only a small touch is needed.
"Favoring quick, clean strikes that were pleasing to the eye"
Me: Rewinds back to 2:33 for the sixth time, "You're damn right it is!"
"The sith have been extinct for milenia"
Only siths deals in absolutes
Pinkel Wurst Well not really. The Sith like the Jedi have rules (the rule of two). The Sith were supposedly from the Sith Empire in Canon even an order before Darth Bane. So not every light side user is a Jedi and not every dark side user is a Sith.
The Jedi do not believe in absolutes. And they are absolutely certain they are right. xD
I quite like that mantra of the Jedi from a lore perspective, as the statement itself is an absolute and shows the ignorance of the Jedi.
True
A pity he was not on the council when Qui Gon told them he had been attacked by a Sith Lord.
Had Yoda nurtured Dooku's talent and harnessed his drive productively, the Sith might have been well and truly destroyed.
Jedi is all about balance yoda may have purposely allowed him to turn to the dark side in order to conclude in sky walker being the Jedis last Hope then rey etc as kylo is I guess Jedi now if dooku and amazon were Jedi and remained Jedi it may not have happened anyone that small green and old is worth trusting
@@franklyjustty That doesn't sound like the sort of thing Yoda would do. Dark Jedi and Sith are a product of rebellion. After all, rebellion is a running theme throughout the Star Wars mythos.
Dooku is the image that I have how the siths should be: elegant and refined skills, also a powerful and wise person. A true Sith Lord.
Dooku was right, but his passion took him to the brink of obsession. When the dark lady asked for mercy a Jedi should of and would have granted it. But Dooku was giving into the dark side, and so did not. I believe if Yoda had given Dooku permission, and encouraged him. He would of simple turned Dooku into a weapon, and a weapon that Palaptine would of recruited sooner. Could you imagine a younger Dooku with his pinnacle of skill, and the strength of the Dark Side turned against the Jedi sooner.
should have, would have
Dooku was both style and substance. No movement waisted in a fight. his curved hilt makes his Saber my absolute favorite.
Actually the advantage of having a curved handle on a stabbing weapon is that it causes the blade to align with the wielder's arm. This improves your reach and speed at thrusting attacks though it can also cause slashing attacks to be a bit weaker and awkward.
Except with actual sabers. They are capable of both thrusting and slashing. Their only weakness is heavy armor.
@@JamesWillmus capable, yes. But a curved hilt makes slashing awkward and also limits the amount of force you can exert with the blade. Realistically speaking, If you have a hilt like that, you are basically specialized in thrusting attacks and must focus on linear evasion and deflection rather than blocks.
And actually, lightsabers cut easily through nearly all kinds of armor. The only exception I recall is Cortosisweave armor and Mandalorian Beskar. And those types are merely resistant to lightsabers. Not immune.
@@Knightstruth cortosis shorts it out, Beskar blocks it outright.
@@Vexin980 PURE cortosis shorts a lightsaber out. Cortosis Weave armor is merely resistant to lightsabers.
And of course Mandalorians get lightsaber resistant armor also because everybody fangirls over them.
@@Knightstruth I mean, isn't it also literally the only explanation for why they manage to last against Jedi and Sith at all, instead of just getting cut in half? Skill only means so much when a literal flick of the wrist splits you in two.
Dooku technically wasn't Yoda's last padawan, It was luke. However, Luke was never an official padawan, where as dooku was. Anyways luke was still yoda's last padawan.
It's good to know Luke was because If Yoda died knowing his last Padawan was a failure, than he would died all depressed and stuff
Luke wasn’t alive when the events took place
@@mundae5906 during the og trilogy yes prequel yes, remember Revenge of the sith, Luke was born
Yoda "hated" his lightsaber? I thought hate led to the Darkside... lol. Really it's a very petty thing to target. Dooku could have even been commended for preserving an ancient art of the Jedi rather than letting it be lost to time. There were deeper issues going on and it makes Yoda sound very hypocritical. Really Dooku was right, the Sith did still exist, and I think his goal of not wanting the Jedi to be but a show piece or performers for the public was a noble one. You could say the Jedi were a key to him being driven to the Darkside, though he also has to take upon responsibilty for his own actions of becoming evil and harming the innocent.
The worst part: Dooku did nothing wrong prior to falling to the dark side. He was preparing for a day that he hoped would never come (or that he was trying to prevent), and Yoda and the jedi just kept shutting him down. Way to get in your own way, Yoda.
And in the grander scheme of things, this is one of the biggest things that lead to the destruction of the order. The jedi were simply too content with the smell of their own shit to bother to investigating to see if there was a legitimate threat still pending or do much of anything of actual long-term benefit to the galaxy.
Edit: Yeah, I know he kinda tried to kill that Jedi, but it still stands that the counsel not giving a damn about Dooku's suspicions didn't do anything to help.
I mean, he did misjudge a jedi master as being a sith and almost killed her in combat had Yoda not interviened (lets not pretend he would've lost, it's Dooku) and I'd argue THAT was pretty wrong.
The way of the Jedi is peace. Dooku for outright looking for a fight and becoming more and more obsessed with the existence of an enemy unseen for millennia. Yoda was in the right to try and dissuade Dooku from following this path, as he knew it would lead him to the dark side... and it did. You're looking at Yoda's decision with an outside, not an in-universe perspective. If I told you sabre tooth cats and dire wolves still existed, and devoted my life to hunting them down, would you think I'm sane? No, you would not. You would want someone looking out for me to make sure I wouldn't get any more deluded and potentially dangerous.
@@comicop2513 I think its fair that Dooku was suspicious and was vigilant of the sith's return but his lust for combat and for the sith to be eradicated was too much
@@comicop2513 honestly I can see dire wolves and sabers existing still
this adds a new meaning to the line Yoda said when he was unable to kill Sidious:
"Failed, I have"
Honestly yoda sounds like a boomer that thinks that anything slightly “edgy” means that you’ll become a criminal or you are a bad person.
He'd be the type of parent who confiscates everything because his child saw a PG-13 movie
“Mmmmmm. The dark side, I sense in it. Teaches violence, Call of Duty Modern Warfare does”
Well, if you think about it... he always turned out right lol
tfw the entire Jedi Order got ok boomered
@@zos.o Self-fulfilling prophecy. By not acknowledging Dooku's views and treating him with disdain, Dooku was forced to look for his own path. Had Yoda been more receptive and helped Dooku channel his research, they may have actually found Sidious.
Ironically Dooku was more right in that the Jedi were the puppets of the senate, and Yoda's stubborn disbelief blinded the jedi.
WHen i listened to the audio book about dooku, it kinda hurts thinking of what he's become similar to watching Anakin becoming Darth Vader
Dooku : *bend a small metal cylinder *
Yoda : *"and i took that personally"*
Yoda: Dooku, your lightsaber. Looks like a bent turd hmmmmmm.
A bent turd, it looks like. Hmmm...indeed.
Hahaha!
The whole reason why the dark side had such immense pull was because of the arrogance and complacency of the Jedi council. If they started embracing all aspects of the force and were open to more ideas, they would’ve never been bamboozled by the Sith.
@Joseph Stalin
Not necessarily. If anything, it would make it harder for Palpatine to be able to just sneak in. A more "gray" Jedi order would have an easier time picking him out, since they'd be able to recognize the foul stench of one who has fully given in to the dark side a LOT more easily since they would know where to look.
Kinda like the church
@@VestedUTuber what is a gray Jedi? I thought it was just a force user who uses the light side of the force but does not agree with or want to be part of the teachings of the Jedi council.
@@petelee2477
I used "gray" in this context to refer to a more balanced view of the Force, not necessarily to refer to Gray Jedi.
I love how everyone complaining about Yoda not being very wise, or too faithful to the jedi way completely forget that the only "wise" version of Yoda we saw that didn't care for the traditional jedi worldview was after the jedi order blew up in his face and he had to rethink his life choices for over a decade while hiding in a swamp planet.
Sees title
"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering, suffering leads to the dark side"
Time is money, money is power, power is pizza, pizza is knowledge, come on kid, chop chop
The “counter balance” bit was pretty funny, it a blade made of plasma. It doesn’t have a noticeable weight to speak of, so it would not need a counter balance.
I could see where having that extra leverage would be useful in a bind, though. Sorta going back to that whole saber vs saber motif
Star Wars technobabble explains have some heft to them due to the magnetic fields keeping the blade in form. It's nonsense but whilst the blade itself weighs nothing, there's still an illusion of weight when you swing it.
Saber vs saber is when there would be weight. The force i assume. Like Darth Vader was known for crushing blows that would disarm and kill because the weight of them.
Because lightsabers don’t simply pass threw each other i don’t think they are completely plasma and even if they are but don’t pass threw each other they’d act as two solid objects on contact, it would still have leverage over another persons weight and energy behind their attack.
Even tiny daggers have counter-balance. Yes, it applies.
There’s a saying “One often encounters their destiny on the path to avoid it” Yoda’s single minded belief in the siths extinction rather than at least entertain the thought of small remnants remaining, perhaps in the unexplored regions is what drove Dooku from the order. Had he listened and given the thought the time of day perhaps he could’ve even sensed Sidious coming.
Yep, Yoda basically did the same thing to anakin as well. His, along with the rest of the console's single minded conservative additude resulted in ankin's resentment towards them. I think deep down, they all knew what the prophacy about "bringing balance to the force" really meant and didn't want to train anakin.
I actually have a theory about Dooku, especially after seeing this video, though I'd need too read the audiobook too fully understand it. What if Dooku's turn to the dark side was a farce, an attempt too root out the remaining with and their possible apprentices. You said yourself that his style was more too maim than kill. At the same time, you also played a clip of him injuring Obi Wan instead of killing him. What if all it was just a ploy to kill Sidious?
I'm pretty sure that is what he had originally planned, but after meeting Sidious he changed his plans a bit when he realized how much he could learn from him.
He still planned on overthrowing Sidious but he needed allies first.
Anakin would have probably ended up being that, you know, use Sidious new apprentice against him.
But unfortunately that never happened as Sidious was never intending to let Dooku live after Anakin became his apprentice.
Damn, first half of this vid makes it seem as if the Jedi were so cock-sure of themselves that there was no threat that they would even appear at ribbon cutting ceremonies for newly opened Wal-Mart's and McDonalds.
That's essentially how Dooku: Jedi Lost portrays the issue. Seriously, such a good book!
By Grabthar's Hammer. What a sale.
@@waaaaaaah5135 it's actual "By Grabthor's hammer, oh what a savings." Not to be pedantic or anything :-P
because it's bent.
yoda: "sword fighting we are. not gun fight. no place in the order pistol grip has."
Ban pistol grips, the ATF must. No purpose in hunting, they have.
@@chancedavis6216 No danger, are they. Leave them alone, the ATF must.
I don't think Dooku would have fully turned or turned as fast if he had been listened to.
Luke in Last Jedi: The legacy of the Jedi is Failure, Hypocrisy, Hubris.
My man was spittin straight facts.
BuT tHe SeQuElS aRe BaD
@@generalcodsworth4417 oh yeah theyre dog shit
Let's hope this is the last time a sequel is quoted 😂
@@generalcodsworth4417 They are horrible
My favorite thing was after he draws his saber and salutes, his little flourish at the end. It was simple but just looked so clean like you were about to see a master at work
Jedi council made many mistakes handling relationships with Anakin and Dooku
Jason Penz YES
Council: hey, anakin is heading down the path the dooku took, how should we handle this?
Also council: (takes hit) nah, anakin got this.
Yeah ikr
For Dooku Yoda made the exception of taking him on as a apprentice when that was against the norms.
Dooku: Time to betray the Jedi Order.
Jedi Council makes a exception and takes Anakin in and gives him knighthood without making him take the Jedi trials.
Anakin: Time to betray the Jedi Order.
His obsession drove him down a path that allowed him to be manipulated into becoming a Sith Lord. The question... then did the first crack happen? I reckon he was already lost by the time Yoda had noticed him.
Also... it might well be that him turning to the Dark Side was the Will of the Force. A pawn to help cause balance once more?
Like with Revan or exar kun, still though it seems like the jedi almost never learn, heck even the code was still the same since kotor 1 era, hell wouldnt be surprised if they dismissed teachings from meetra suriks force wielding companions and deemed them unnecessary, Kreia would facepalm with her last remaining hand.
A common misconception that balance means "using Dark and Light" together, it's also a misconception that balance is caused by the "number" of light and darksiders in the galaxy, it stems deeper than that. There are more than just the Jedi and the Sith out there using the Force.
Whilst I really don't like the Sequels, there is one line from Luke in TLJ that hits the nail on the head: "the belief that if the Jedi die the light dies is vanity", and the same applies to the Sith or anyone else. Light and Dark represent life and death in the Force, but the problem of unbalance is when people start using the Dark when it should be left untouched to "natually" do its thing, but living beings using the Force of "death" as it were (which is why the Darkside is so destructive), poisons the light (the living Force) and causes chaos. The reason for the unbalance is that the Sith grew very powerful and their power overshadowed the light in the universe even though there were far more Jedi in existance than Sith.
The Darkside is not meant to have a "tangible" presense in the universe, as that is what causes "unbalance", the Darkside should be left untouched in its own realm, as a background energy which automatically shifts in accordance to how much life (light) there is in the universe. Balance means using and having the presense of the light only in the "realm of the light" (the realm of the living, the physical universe where people live) and the Dark only existing on another plain but mirrors the Light, balancing out the cycle of life and death in the universe, allowing people to become one with the Force naturally (going to heaven basically).
When the Dark enters the physical realm and unbalance is caused, it's destructive and even blocks people off from becoming one with the Force, leaving only empty voids (and is a reason Darksiders can't move on after death, they either are destroyed altogether or their spirits bound to the physical realm where they can't escape and end up going mad, like the ghosts of Korriban).
You're actually correct. That's George Lucas' meaning. Why would the Jedi prophecy want dark side users? The darkside corrupts practitioners.
Dooku: Curved lightsaber hilts are elegant
Yoda: flatten that curve, I will.
Underrated
Sifo-Dyas made Dooku break into the relic room.
Kostanna was testing Dooku to see his reaction to the Dark Side and if he was "ready" to go on a relic-hunt with her to "combat" the Dark Side....he was not.
Sifo-Dyas and Dooku usually stuck to the rules and were "good boys"....but occasionally Master Kostanna butted heads with the Jedi High Council and bent rules and regulations along with Dooku and Sifo-Dyas...yeah the guy who comes up in Attack of The Clones.
. Mythology aside, Dooku's light saber 3:43 was designed by a Filipino member of George Lucas' production team. He came up with the idea based on an ancient Filipino sword called Barong. Lucas liked the design, and thus, Dooku's saber was born. Here is the Barong sword : th-cam.com/video/l-CzzEGePvQ/w-d-xo.html
Dooku Jedi Lost is such a great book. I love how they incorporated all the voice actors.
Yoda thought that Dooku was chasing shadows , because the Sith were extinct ?
Once again ,
Yoda was wrong .
All of you guy Shitting on yoda for "being arrogant" really underestimate the sith
Even The whole jedi order were start actively looking for the Sith do you really think they could find them? Two people in a whole galaxy? Palpatine was right under their nose and they didn't know. Luke Skywalker's nephew Jacen solo was a sith and He didn't know until it is too late.
In the legacy comics, Kol skywalker and the Jedi knew from jump street that that the sabotage was done by sith and were STILL overtaken by them. Please quit putting and blaming everything on Yoda, The Sith are just simply good at deception, always have been.
@@justinamey7116 It's the new thing. In the new canon, every single book, comic, and even TCW has to somehow push a narrative that the Jedi are just horrible people.
It used to be a lot more nuanced, with more uncertainty of who was right, who was wrong, and where to place blame(yaknow, like the real world), yet still maintaining the heroes as the people you root for.
Imagine someone came up to you and said they were training to become the best dragon killer around. You'd look at them like they're a lunatic. That's how I like to think of the Jedi's stubbornness surrounding the Sith by that time. The Sith were basically a myth by then.
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"Yoda was a fool" and "The Sith were hypercompetent" aren't mutually exclusive ideas. The Sith definitely knew what they were doing. But there were still times _IN MOVIE CANON_ where they had to act in the open directly against a Jedi. And yet the Jedi order refused to believe the testimonies _of highly-acclaimed members of their own order._ And even when they finally accepted that the Sith had returned, they still refused to listen when Dooku himself practically ratted out his master.
Blame isn't zero-sum. Blaming one thing doesn't somehow magically take away blame from something else.
He just wanted to fight the Sith and protect the Jedi... This changes how I look at Dooku
This now makes me feel bad for dooku. I always liked his character and now I even have sympathy for him and am disappointed in yoda
Does this mean the dooku hilt is near? Lol
Also isn't it cus it’s a duelist weapon? Ps I'll edit after completing the vid
Edit: well that took days to finish...
we hope it's near... order is still unfulfilled 😕
You're taking a long time to finish this video
Emokidrants95 indeed I am... I'm still not done yet... Lol
@@dar-nakkallig Well come on man we're all waiting for this.
It’s interesting to me that doku’s lightsaber design reminds me of a fencing foils gun grip, it’s a grip meant to let you hold it with the point more in line with your arm so you could more comfortably stab at your opponent. Where as the standard foil handle was better for slicing and or point control.
So yeah, it makes sense dokus handle made it more effective for duels cus it allowed him to effectively change every strike by simply adjusting his grip slightly.
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Everyone here is talking as if Dooku left the Jedi while still Yoda's apprentice. Don't forget, Dooku was granted the rank of Master & took Qui-Gon Jinn as *his* apprentice before leaving the order. I'm guessing he had to stick around at least long enough for Qui-Gon to become a Master., so it's not like he just up & took off.
Qui-Gonn's death was another reason he left. Previously he had spoken quite a bit on his emotional worried and such with his former padawan, and as Qui-Gonn was a Grey jedi he worked perfectly as a kind of mediator for him.
he would have left if Qui-Gon would have survived
It depends on which canon actually, in Legends he is cultivated by Palpatine shortly before the Phantom Menace and speaks out publicly after Qui-gon dies before retiring
In Canon he retires a full decade prior, only a couple years after Obi-Wan began his Padawanship.
How would Dooku fair against another user of the curved hilt : Legends' Darth Bane ?
personally, I think Dooku would outmatch almost any duelist in history.
@@LoreStar Agreed, l wonder if Bane would have the time to realize he is outmatched in a saber duel before resorting to Force powers. l'd argue he would have the uper hand in regards to use of the Force, he has more knowledged wia holocrons (especially Revan's), and depends as well if he has the Orbalisk armor. lnteresting duel though !
@@MogoFromHell I agree, in a saber-to-saber duel, Dooku would win. Even though Dooku was also one of the most gifted force wielders of his time, I don't think he would stand up to Bane. He would really only be able to win if the two agreed to not incorporate force powers (or filled the duelling arena with Ysalimiri or something...)
Lore Star then how did Anakin beat him quite easily?
@@DarthLolly Dooku was ordered to hold back and taunt, but then Anakin tapped into the Dark side and it backfired. Big time.
That and he's the chosen one, he's really good considering the age and training he has.
Yoda: train too much you do. Lightsabers needed they are not.
Also Yoda: (the best duelist in the Jedi)
"That's a good looking saber, Dooku. Strong with a good grip, a nice 80 degree angle too."
The Jedi's hubris was their downfall
In my opinion, Dooku is an awesome character, not just because he's played by the late Christopher Lee but he is one character that has been trained by Yoda and had trained Jin although he died
Uhh...are we still sure that the Jedi are the "good guys" here?
Pretty much everything in this video paints the Jedi as incompetent, and Yoda as an ignorant manipulator. Using the force to invade someone's mind against their will, to alter/remove their memories? That is pretty horrifying, considering it's a "light side" ability, whereas Darth Plagueis' ability to save lives is "dark side" ability. The Jedi denying the existence of the Sith, and actively working to suppress the abilities of a promising student who just wanted to ensure that the threat really was gone? Oh, and he was totally correct the whole time...the Sith weren't gone.
Never mind the fact that they committed genocide (or attempted genocide) against a group of people who just adopt a different view of the force. Not all Sith are evil, but the Jedi want them dead anyway.
I don't think the sith and jedi are really as black and white as they're initially painted to be. One is not simply good or bad. It comes down to the individuals on each side I feel with what can be defined as such.
Seems like a case of Order vs Chaos and Belief vs Emotion.
The Jedi Order is a very rigid hierarchy deeply rooted in the pursuit of an unattainable ideal. The Sith pre-Rule of 2 were a loose collection of tenuous alliances formed by individuals who draw power by converting their rage, dispair, fear, ambition, etc into a motivating force.
Both lived extreme and unhealthy lifestyles. The prequel trilogy and its related materials perfectly setup a potential sequel trilogy that could explore the concept of a middle ground, and The Last Jedi was so close to knocking it out of the park, but suddenly undid all of Luke's development in the climax..
Pretty sure it's been accepted that the Jedi become too obsessed with being the "good guys" that they blind themselves with it.
@@1sdani "but suddenly undid all of Luke's development in the climax."
No, it didn't. What are you talking about?
+Arnox Immordium What would you call the complete 180 in belief Luke took when Yoda showed up and said "the Jedi are good, you're wrong Luke" and Luke responded "oh, okay"
It would have been interesting to see an alternate reality where Dooku goes and helps the boys arrest Papa Palpatine, with an "I told you so attitude".
Most importantly Yoda never said anything at all about Dooku’s lightsaber in the book…The only thing Yoda ever said close to this is when Dooku and Kostana are dueling Yoda sees and says “stop” and says that the Sith are extinct… Master Kostana was the one who was arguing with Yoda that the Jedi should be prepared for the Sith. Not Dooku.
In the book it never specifically says why Dooku chose to make a curved hilt. Though I see where the connection to being prepared for Sith can come up. In the book Dooku is hoping to be chosen by Master Kostana for apprenticeship and is disappointed when she chooses Syfo Dias. Then after Yoda chooses Dooku and so Dooku quickly gets over that.
In the book it never says exactly why Yoda picked Dooku as an apprentice. Lorestar statement about that has to be an assumption. Also yes Yoda ignored Dooku at the beginning of Dooku’s apprenticeship But nowhere does it specifically say that Yoda refused to teach Dooku further in lightsaber training! Yet another statement made by Lorestar that is too much of a stretch in my opinion!
By Dooku’s duel with master Kostana we can take liberty to assume that Dooku was already better than most Jedi with a lightsaber at the age of 14 or 15… But Master Sinube was the one who trained initiates at lightsaber training! And Master Sinube told Dooku that Dooku was his BEST student.
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We see the Jedi High Council's failings at every level in the Clone Wars; Ki-Adi-Mundi was out of touch, Luminara Unduli was too rigid in thought and practice to be an effective military commander, Shaak Ti should never have been put in command of a padawan training class much less the Clone Battalion on Kamino, Kit Fisto was a failure as a teacher with his last student failing to understand the jedi role and getting himself killed against Grievous, Eeth Koth was so unskilled he embarrassed himself. Yoda and Mace Windu kept so many secrets its no surprise what happened there. Even Obi Wan's hands weren't clean as he complied with many an order he felt was wrong.
The only Jedi that were on the High Council that seemed to be worth a damn beyond Kenobi were probably Plo Koon, Depa Billaba, and they both died in Order 66...
You don’t seem biased at all
Love how Yoda broke the status quo to train Dooku, just to protect the status quo that there was no sith.. how blind.
Alternate galaxy: Grand Master Dooku vs Darth Darth Binks.
So this is why Dooku's lightsaber is in the shape of a banana.
Dooku was actually sponsered by Chiquita bananas
Makes sense.
Dooku was always my favorite villain. Something about his demeanor just screamed badass
ROFL. I love how he says "to counterweight the weight of the blade" without even a fraction of self-awareness, just like most of the movie makers. It's a fucking lightsaber; everything beyond the hilt is fucking *energy*.
I guess the hilts of light sabers are weightless as well haha. Nah man he was talking about the weight of the hilt, not the lightsaber's energy.
@@Vhetration69 Yeah, sorry, no. Even watching the movies, you can tell the blades have weight, even though they shouldn't. It's never more obvious than when one gets thrown.
@@DocFunkenstein the blades in the movies have weight. They used props, to achieve the effects. In the perspective of the lore, only the hilt carries weight on the light saber,not the energy. This is a video discussing certain aspects of the lore of Dooku's light saber, not the physical prop used in real life, which isn't a real light saber.. When the man said that in the video he was referring to the hilt. Yes, if you don't live under a rock, you have heard people refer to knives in general, as a whole, hilt included, as blades before. So what you just said isn't even in context relative with the point of the video. so. 'yeah, sorry,no' to you, my friend.
@@Vhetration69 No shit, Sherlock. But even this clown is saying stupid shit like "counterweight the WEIGHT OF THE BLADE."
Dude, just stop. You're the personification of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
@@DocFunkenstein I would try to at least use insults, and terms correctly before using them. Now you just made yourself look like an idiot. I'm not wasting my time over someone who ignores past experience and the facts of others. Which, by the way, is as simple as a few google searches now a days. I make my leave.
Master Yoda: Why weird saber would you have?
Count Dooku: Heh, bright sword go *fwhoosh*
Yoda: Chasing shadows you are Dooku.
Me: I guess Palpatine does have a nice shadow.
The sith holocron has the same Voice as ventress
Yes