Well cause its better i guess.......i mean better armor, more crew, better speed/maneuverability, and had that thing were if you shoot the ammo rack, it wont explode the entire tank............the only advantage the t62b has is the ammo and gun i think
Will you ever switch up your marketing style? I see the same weird ads on websites that are not appealing at all. Maybe if you tried to push youtube ads, more people would play the game. Those are just my thoughts.
I thought that for a while, but with ad blockers becoming more popular, who's likely to see them? Maybe it's just not worth the money spent, so they're planning on sponsorships or something else.
A lot of the "finish him" ads are actually made by people who play and goes straight to their referrals that is why they are so awkward. Lol, they aren't official ads.
A lot aren't made by Gaijin. They are made by people who want the referring awards from War Thunder so they make ads that link to their referral link. That's why so many are low quality.
yeah,because it obviously is...Why? Because it has good tanks in USSR branch and even few great ones :O And then come the chidlren who cant beat some of the great ones(which every branch/faction has) because they cant use their brains and attack its weak points...And instead just hit wherever and hope for the kill shot. You sound worse than BBC and CNN with "Russians did it"...Hell,you would put to shame even some of your most paranoid politicians.
Becouse they are not. Everyone says that russian tanks are biased but they never played them. Armor? *MIGHT* save you. Gun? There are some quite good options avilable but god help you if you miss a shot. Mobility? Overall meh. And a single penetrating hit is all it takes to destroy any tank in the tree.
The thing that almost a lot of players don't seem to realize is that if the Abrams was given the M833, it would practically consider the Abrams an almost untouchable and the most God-like tank in War Thunder. I feel like the way the Abrams is now is a balance design choice so that both the T-64B and the Abrams has their perks while also having certain/overall play styles. Sure on paper, the T-64B has the most armour and a high-penetrating round, but its mobility and tenacity is rather lackluster. The Abrams is a good all-around tank with excellent mobility, decent armour layout, very good survivability and decent rounds. Give the thing the M833 round and you'd just start seeing people running and gunning with absolutely no problem at all while also slicing through the T-64B and most likely one-shot kill.
The T-64B does NOT have the upperhand as it stands right now. Rather than pointing to the shells it has and its armour, tell me how the T-64B is better than the Abrams. From what I'm witnessing in game, the Abrams is steamrolling in the hands of a good player.
Gun and armor is literally two of the three things a tank should have, the triangle goes: Gun, Mobility, Armor. To which the T-64B has two of those and the M1 Abrams does not excel in any of them compaired to the rest of the MBT's, though it's second place in everything.
Like I mentioned before, from what I'm experiencing, the Abrams has no problem defeating T-64Bs; I'm even able to fend off for myself in the Type 74 against them as well. With a good player, anyone can really handle the T-64B as long as they know their limitations. The T-64B is good at distance, but not being aware of their surroundings is what costs them. May I also mention the Leopard 2k and the Kanonenjagdpanzer HOT are may than capable of penetrating the T-64B through the front as well?
So basically the T-64B is better at getting one hit kills and the Abrams is better at not getting obliterated in one shot. That's about what I expected.
Honestly the blow out panels, speed, and agility clearly give the Abrams a win. I really isnt that close Gaijin I say at least 1.5 higher than the T-64B
The best choice to counter the M1 and a future M1A1 is the T80(and its variants) which has the same 125mm cannon but better armor much better engine and a new transmission that can actually reverse, the T72 isn't really that good, especially the first models which are basically cheaper and worse T64s I hope they will add a T80 in the next major update
how are you guys even defending this. besides this video game the T-64 B stands absolutely no chance at all against even an M1. That's a given. Almost certain M1's if not M1A1's decimated the T-72's in real combat. Like how is this even a discussion. It's been proven. Not a single Abrams was lost and that was against better tanks than the T-64 B.
Actually, there's russian bias in this video, because T-64B does not deserve all those points and the Abrams as you say magically looses 0,5 points. They just try to justify the failure of adding T-64B when they should have added the vanilla T-80.
9.3 is still too low for the Abrams. Playing the Kpz 70 isnt fun anymore. Also it is completely senseless that american and german tanks cant be in the same team in rb mode.
M 60 aos can pen leopard 2k With apds, there is no need for that Shell there, leo a1a1 cant pen an abrams with apds, thats why. But it would be fair for that tank to have it..
Buddy the t64b was made in 1976 and deployed in 1981 in small numbers. I don’t know what your talking about. The t64a was deployed in 1971. The regular t64 was made in ‘64 and accepted into service in ‘67.
only looks at on-paper stats when it comes to survivability, doesn't take into account the t64's horrible ammo storage or the spacing between driver, gun, and engine on both tanks, it makes a huge difference in game
I think it's a good match up. They are equally dangerous to each other. I would prefer to be in the Abrams though since it has better mobility and turret rotation speed.
Kerk 123 M833 is overkill for me. It has 490 mm of penetration. It makes the game unbalanced. They should fix the pen of M774 to 440 mm and DM13 to 470 mm
I love warthunder to death for all the hard work they do. from the modeling to the work needed to get the designs the tanks. the only problem i have is the timeline. For arguments sake, i know there needs to be balance. Russian tanks, until the abrams was introduced(IRL), would have stomped the guts out of any allied tank thrown at it. If you look at actual timelines, the americans were still fighting with the m60 when the T-64 was introduced.
Fun Fact: the game Developers have no idea really what armor they used for the M1 Abarms series. So in reality the M1 Abarms could be like a king tiger in the Modern Era because they don't know how strong the armor is because it is classified.
First time i killed an abrams was in realistic with my kv-2 at point blanc range from the front. he saw me but was distracted by a fellow teammate across the town square. KV-2 HE is still the best shell in the game heil stalinium.
Gaijin.. Please add for the Leopard 2K 440 pen apdsfs shell... The 417 mm pen It's not enough to break the abrams... And nerf the abrams reload time.. Stock 6.5 sec op...
Nerfing it would make it non-historical since it was easily able to do 5 second reloads with trained crews. It was able to do a 2.8 second reload irl, but that's only for the first shot or two. 5 seconds is the median of 3 seconds to 7 seconds.
The real advantage of soviet tanks over western tanks is the ease of maintenance, lower price and weight per unit and the simple crew training needed. Mostly logistical and relevant to the strategic aspect of war. Mostly irrelevant to the meta of war thunder.
2:35 - impressive broken gun - 5:15 - broken useless armor * for those who think russia op: th-cam.com/video/dXQLMw5NZK0/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/THvZWs0jNvo/w-d-xo.html
in my opinion the t64 is somewhat better. not by much, just a little. the abrams is much more mobile but the 470mm of penetration of the t64 means it can penetrate the abrams at longer distances. the APFSDS of the abrams has 410mm of pen at 100m. go out to 500m-1km and it wont pen the t64 BUT the t64 will still go through the abrams.
The abrams does not win because the T-64 can pen the abrams anywhere -.-. it's simply point and click with the T-64B while being next to inpenetrable to anything but the leopard 2k (unless you hit those tiny weakspots)
Real life talk. The M1A1 Abrams is better than the T-64B. The T-64BV is better than M1A1 Abrams, however M1A2 Abrams is better than T-64BV. And the T-90 is better than the M1A2 but is worse than the new M1A3 Abrams. And T-14 armata is better than M1A3. pheeewww, rocket science right there lol.
The tank ingame is the basic M1, not the M1A1. M1A1 uses a licensed version of the Rh120 L/44 gun. Base M1 uses an enhanced version of the M68 from the M60. Plus, you're comparing a 1960s design (T-64) against a 1980s design (M1)
Not sure how you can say anything about how good the M1A3, T-14 and even the t90 to an extent because they all have classified and therefore unknown aspects as well as the fact the m1a3s and t14s are largely untested in combat??
About T-64B Armor, lower plate- no composition, same as driver visior on front plate. + front turret armor near gun is weak and without composition too ;) M1 have better armor, only some spots in T-64B is better than in m1. + Very very very weak side armor in T-64B. And survavilibity, rly 0,5 point for 1 more crew member and godmode ammoracks? lul And about firepower, okay ATGMS, but they are pretty useless (small % players on T-64B use ATGMs), m1 have smoke rounds with 5 sec reload= its so awesome and usefull, m1 is like ninja. Be honest, m1 is best tank for this moment in game, T-64B is in 4th place, Leo2k and challenger 1 are better too. For really idk why russians get another T-64, when its still weak tank. Upgrades for weaks tanks does not specially help. My question is where are T-72A (1979) and T-80B (1978-1980 +100 hp for engine) (this tanks are true opponets for other newest tanks like m1,chall1,leo2 etc) when m1 is 1979-1980 and challenger 1 is 1983? (leo2 prototypes too 1980) T-72A and T-80B its not specially better than T-64B, but with better engine and some improvements, and thats its, Russians should get faster tanks too, if not T-72A and T-80B because idk, ppl gonna cry and say 24/7 russian bias (when they should get these vehicles anyway) so maybe T-64BM with 1000hp engine? Why u add to game, tank from 1984 when Russians can get older better tanks, because Russians improved T-64 so it would not be useless. For example T-80B is similiar like T-64B but better engine, 10mm more on front plate and things which dosnt matter in this game (fire-control, rangefinder etc) Tell me :)
T-80B for me is OP. It have 500 mm against kinetic and 600 mm against chemical in both turret and hull. The mobility will be makes this thing more OP. T-72A will be perfect
What? M1 have still better mobility, armor? there is no difference, ok better kinetic and chemical but so? M1 for this moment cant pen front plate on T-64B so m1 cant pen front plate of T-80B too but he can pen him in weakspots T-64B and T-80B and all russian tanks have very similar weakspots- lower plate, driver viewfinder and spots near gun and other spots, just look at T-64B composition armor, this tank dosnt have everywhe best armor, and remember, wiki sometimes lie. And still very bad survivalibity, only real difference is a mobility where Russians should get some. M1 still have better chemical armor for example, and still better mobility and survivability than T-80 and etc. And m1 can get better apdfs with 470 pen :) Leo2- still can pen T-80B (650 pen) and weakspots with apfds - same like on T-64B. Only problem is challenger 1, but this tank can get better rounds too and its be fine, turret still better than in T-80B. And where u get this info? not 500mm but max 450, similar like T-64B. Only turret have more armor but this dosnt matter too (same weakspots like on T-64B) But okay, ppl gonna cry because russian bias (when like i say before, sorry but its life, russians have T-80B when America got m1) then add just T-64BM with 1000hp engine. And T-72/B and first T-80 for example. But look at T-80B: fighting-vehicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/T-80B-Tank-Image-1.jpg Its VERY similar like T-64B. Really, its not specially OP. And its not ferrari mobility, just better traverse and 300hp more (or 400 when they add T-80B from 1980 ) And like i say, some tanks can get better rounds, and they can be more op, just imagine m1 with 470 pen xD...
Its have 500mm with better front plate, just look at typical and first T-80B without this plate, they have very similiar like T-64B, so max 450mm versus kinetic. And like i say, this dosnt matter, because tanks which cant pen T-64B cant pen T-80B too, but can pen them in Weakspots.
I think its a draw, because T64 is do smaller than the Abraham, besides, the T64 is 20 years older, and has R.V.S.P.S shells (Russian Vodka Stalinium Powered Shells)
I am not a fan of russian tanks, but let's be honest. The T64 can keep up to the abrams in survivability and armament, even tho it was made a good 20 years earlier. I think they are pretty much equal in face to face combat, but lets compare the abrams to a t90 for good measure
But what happens if the m1 abrams has the high density depeted uranium m883 shot and its unnerfed turret armour of 480 to 540mm aginst kenetic(the range of armour values is the insurity some websites say the abrams has over 500mm in the turret aginst kenetic but i know for sure the M1 has 480mm in the turret but gajin nerfed the abrams.)
you actually dont know that as that is a state secret info on the websites is just estimates , also Abrams getting m883 shell would mean others get their counterparts and the soviet counterpart(3BK21B)) has 750-800 mm of pen I think nobody would like that
In steven zaloga mentions in his book "m1 abrams vs t72 ural: operation desert storm 1991" that a soviet report states thay the protection of the basic M1 abrams is equal to 470mm of steel aginst kenetic weapons.
hehehehe manual reload faster than automatic . Auto reloadload 8 round per minute . Best manual reload is 5 per minute, 54 tons of Abrams can move 50 kmh only on road .Mud and snow and and Abrams speed is 25 -30 kmh.
The difference between the top shell of the T-64B and the M833 is that the M833 will negate literally everything in War Thunder, resulting in the Abrams practically becoming the most OP tank in War Thunder. The Abrams can already do everything right now in War Thunder in the hands of a good player. Why make it even more powerful when its fine how it is?
Frank Bradley Look at the bright side. The T80 was the apex of Soviet tank development before the whole economy collapsed. NATO will have a clear advantage in the mid-late 80s bracket until the introduction of the T90 in 1993.
i kinda think the abrams is a tank that has a lot more future potential in things that can upgrade and interchange, future i think their now gunna be adding a 120M gun on it, the armour can slightly change, adding additional features which in my eyes is a lot better and future potential than just creating a whole new tank design. Also some tanks can be better than abrams, such as my canadian leapard, but then again Americans have a non stop production on them meanwhile usa has more in triple backup numbers than my whole canadian army. So even if my leapard can delete 3, who cares when they outnumber everyone 10+ to 1
gaijin... mobility is all about the battlefield. in my opinion the m1 is the better tank. i dont have it, but i have to kill it in my t64b and they overrun us with their speed. so my only option with the t64 b is fire and hide like a chief. and the 105mm is still strong against all other tanks. because you can flank them easy as possible. but still a great patch gj gaijin
I have both t64a and t64b. They are always dead by 1 rapid shoot, by any lower BR tank even when perfectly angled and behind cover or hull down. They are extremely fragile tanks, a waste of silver lions (1.300.000 each). Now i have finished the research of T80 and i dont spend SL's to this piece of paper, i know from the battles i play, they are all dead meats from the beginning of the mach.
It is really unfortunate that when you were mentioning the shells you didn’t include that the Abrams had a depleted uranium shell. It would just be a cool side note. Anyways, great video
The M1 is very nice...I wait and wait for the M1A1 Abrams! And the F4 Phantom....but I will get the M1A1 Abrams first more :)....when 1.79 comming out? I need to destroy German bais with 120mm APDS-FS....
te t-64 should get 1 more point for suspension. in war thunder everything can be fine after a jump but in real life the abrams will be only scrap metal but the t-64 will be completly fine
#WarThunder Please do something with IS_4M because on the initial ammunition you can't play with 200 penetration, be the way this ammunition is already being discovered on the IS-3. Exactly the same with tanks T-54 on which three times we unlock the same ammunition
Hey Gaijin, do you think maybe you could make it so the losing team in AB gets priority for air support instead of letting the other team curb stomp the trailing team worse
5:27 Just shoot the tank on the left of the night vision and then boom it is dead...... Abrams won this and it is so OP in the first 10 seconds of a match the Abrams had time to stop at every country in the world by the time the t-64B goes 3m and the armor on the Abrams is way better than the t-64B just shoot the t-64B in the low Part of the hull and boom instant kill
You forget the thermal optics on the Abrams, the superior connectivity (Abrams can talk and receive targeting data from other vehicles and fire on designated targets) and the poor ammo storage design of the T64 a hit center mass on one will frequently send the turret flying.
"We think it's fair" Memes
"RAWR of the engines"
Abrams be like: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@Ayden Eames yo he meant it's not roar. It's a "REEEE" and not roaring. Electric weirdo noise yards know
No I don't hear or see them,why? Cause
*I'M STILL GRINDING* !!!
How much do you play in a day let's say?
2 years
It's free to play game so you can give them some money for premium :D
so in a day you play 2 years?
maybe (≖ ͜ʖ≖)
5:55 "The american mantlet has better protection" *shell goes from one side and exits the other on the background*
Pretty sure they missed and it blunct off lol.
It's called: missed or ricochet
@@KyleGraddy ?
Gaijin: I Didnt Miss A Page
I hate M1 Abram NATO toilet seats
Funny thing is if you compare them now the t-64b is at 9.3 and the Abrams is at 10.0
Poor challenger.. he wasn't even compared..
I mean you could compare it with a condom... Then again it would prolly loose in the protection comparison...
weed jesus and Leo...
Acerrzzz XD
Yep cuz it has weak armour
@@edi9892 You can do what I did and one hit a leo in a custom battle with the panzer 4 f2.
Ah yes "the glorious .5 of a point"......clearly the winner here
Nephi Leonardo why are they siding to the abrams
because he did say why if you listen
ik lol
Well cause its better i guess.......i mean better armor, more crew, better speed/maneuverability, and had that thing were if you shoot the ammo rack, it wont explode the entire tank............the only advantage the t62b has is the ammo and gun i think
True, like i say Russians should get T-72 or T-80 and its fair and realistic.
Will you ever switch up your marketing style? I see the same weird ads on websites that are not appealing at all. Maybe if you tried to push youtube ads, more people would play the game. Those are just my thoughts.
They did some time ago
I thought that for a while, but with ad blockers becoming more popular, who's likely to see them? Maybe it's just not worth the money spent, so they're planning on sponsorships or something else.
A lot of the "finish him" ads are actually made by people who play and goes straight to their referrals that is why they are so awkward. Lol, they aren't official ads.
With Cookies and Facebook poking around your computer you are more likely to see WT ads if you already have it haha
A lot aren't made by Gaijin. They are made by people who want the referring awards from War Thunder so they make ads that link to their referral link. That's why so many are low quality.
6:00 suddently a abrahams
an*
M1A2 Ibrahim
When gaijin wants to prove it isn't Russian biased
yeah,because it obviously is...Why? Because it has good tanks in USSR branch and even few great ones :O And then come the chidlren who cant beat some of the great ones(which every branch/faction has) because they cant use their brains and attack its weak points...And instead just hit wherever and hope for the kill shot. You sound worse than BBC and CNN with "Russians did it"...Hell,you would put to shame even some of your most paranoid politicians.
here we go again...
Found the Abrams driver
Becouse they are not. Everyone says that russian tanks are biased but they never played them. Armor? *MIGHT* save you. Gun? There are some quite good options avilable but god help you if you miss a shot. Mobility? Overall meh. And a single penetrating hit is all it takes to destroy any tank in the tree.
@@nikolaivasilev7371 He meant is as a joke...
WE NEEd HUMVEE WITH TOW ROCKET
a more likely vehicle would be the m2 bradley or the lav25 or maybe the stryker m118 with the tank gun
and VAB HOT
No we need THE MECHANICAL MULE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
PAPPY OLIVER *moab
M2A3 Bradley. 25mm autocannon and tow missles. it would be comparable to the bmp or baglepanzer.
Abrams penned my front plate not that long ago in my T-64B so T-64B really has little to no advantages to the Abrams
More like no advantage at all compare to Abram I got ammo racked twice
We all know that the Challenger 1 is the better tank, though. It has a kettle, you see.
In Afghanistan, US and other coalition forces will often crowd around challenger 2 tanks at night because they have warm tea.
Challenger 2 equal best tank
@@user-ps4mw5om4j Boy do I have news for you...
The thing that almost a lot of players don't seem to realize is that if the Abrams was given the M833, it would practically consider the Abrams an almost untouchable and the most God-like tank in War Thunder. I feel like the way the Abrams is now is a balance design choice so that both the T-64B and the Abrams has their perks while also having certain/overall play styles. Sure on paper, the T-64B has the most armour and a high-penetrating round, but its mobility and tenacity is rather lackluster. The Abrams is a good all-around tank with excellent mobility, decent armour layout, very good survivability and decent rounds. Give the thing the M833 round and you'd just start seeing people running and gunning with absolutely no problem at all while also slicing through the T-64B and most likely one-shot kill.
Yunguy1 You sir, you are a saver. Amerifags need to read this and think.
The T-64B does NOT have the upperhand as it stands right now. Rather than pointing to the shells it has and its armour, tell me how the T-64B is better than the Abrams. From what I'm witnessing in game, the Abrams is steamrolling in the hands of a good player.
Gun and armor is literally two of the three things a tank should have, the triangle goes: Gun, Mobility, Armor. To which the T-64B has two of those and the M1 Abrams does not excel in any of them compaired to the rest of the MBT's, though it's second place in everything.
M833 would be the penetration of a APFSDS on steroids with the post pen damage of a HEAT-FS or even HE round.
Like I mentioned before, from what I'm experiencing, the Abrams has no problem defeating T-64Bs; I'm even able to fend off for myself in the Type 74 against them as well. With a good player, anyone can really handle the T-64B as long as they know their limitations. The T-64B is good at distance, but not being aware of their surroundings is what costs them. May I also mention the Leopard 2k and the Kanonenjagdpanzer HOT are may than capable of penetrating the T-64B through the front as well?
Yeah red corner vs. Left corner
So basically the T-64B is better at getting one hit kills and the Abrams is better at not getting obliterated in one shot. That's about what I expected.
The "abram has" or the "Abraham's" 6:00 in you tell me
So t-64-b is snipe, M1 abrams its rush and hide AND STURMPANZER IS ANTI EVERYTHINK
Ja
Think @Kuba Gra everythink
Honestly the blow out panels, speed, and agility clearly give the Abrams a win. I really isnt that close Gaijin I say at least 1.5 higher than the T-64B
Eh maybe
Love T-64 B...waiting for T-72 ☺☺☺ And Mig-21 Vs F-4 phantom Aviation battle...Including surface to Air missile.
scorplion T-64 never match with Abrams tank in real life...That's why I am waiting for T-72 then T-90
T-72 is worse in specs, it was cheaper to make, it was mainly an export tank.
The best choice to counter the M1 and a future M1A1 is the T80(and its variants) which has the same 125mm cannon but better armor much better engine and a new transmission that can actually reverse, the T72 isn't really that good, especially the first models which are basically cheaper and worse T64s
I hope they will add a T80 in the next major update
What will be the next American tank that's the question
I am waiting to see that day Mig-21 vs F-4 phantom in warthuder
Memes aside the abrams is the better tank by far.
Its MAGIC in reall combatt on long ranges not he is only good in cities and theyre not that often in wt
you mean as in the weak spot of every bloody tanks ever ?
This is the original M1 with 105mm gun, totally different than M1A1 or A2, it really not that much better than T64B.
how are you guys even defending this. besides this video game the T-64 B stands absolutely no chance at all against even an M1. That's a given. Almost certain M1's if not M1A1's decimated the T-72's in real combat. Like how is this even a discussion. It's been proven. Not a single Abrams was lost and that was against better tanks than the T-64 B.
They also brought roughly 4-6 times the amount of tanks that they faced. One of the big reasons the americans didn't lose many tanks.
T64 b=3.5 and abrams=4
When U have to justify bias!!
All the points they added up for the Abrams brought it to 4.5, but they said 4.
Actually, there's russian bias in this video, because T-64B does not deserve all those points and the Abrams as you say magically looses 0,5 points. They just try to justify the failure of adding T-64B when they should have added the vanilla T-80.
>Vanilla T-80
Ew
They should add T-80B, not vanilla ;) 1978 year production or 1980 when m1 is 1979-1980, lmao :D
at least they should have added t-72
9.3 is still too low for the Abrams. Playing the Kpz 70 isnt fun anymore. Also it is completely senseless that american and german tanks cant be in the same team in rb mode.
How about giving APFSDS to 8.3 tanks like M60A1 (AOS) like you did with the Leo A1A1 to make it able to fight 9.3 instead being cannon fodders.
Christian Gunawan Because to a gun fire APFSDS it needs to be smoothbore, the M60 has a rifled gun.
Pássaro Azul There's plenty of rifled guns that fire APFSDS, like the Chieftain, or even the M1 with the M68A1
The M60A1 RISE (P) and The Leo A1A1 both has rifled barrel and they have the access to APFSDS.
M 60 aos can pen leopard 2k With apds, there is no need for that Shell there, leo a1a1 cant pen an abrams with apds, thats why. But it would be fair for that tank to have it..
Xioas Oops, my mistake, i thought only Smoothbores were able to fire fin-stabilized shells, but yeah, thanks for correcting me.
The t64b was made in 1963 and the abrams was made after which means the abrams has better armor, mobility, and actually more firepower
Buddy the t64b was made in 1976 and deployed in 1981 in small numbers. I don’t know what your talking about. The t64a was deployed in 1971. The regular t64 was made in ‘64 and accepted into service in ‘67.
only looks at on-paper stats when it comes to survivability, doesn't take into account the t64's horrible ammo storage or the spacing between driver, gun, and engine on both tanks, it makes a huge difference in game
Please make a vid on leaopard 2k and challanger1.
Now, that would hardly be fair
Leo 2K wins
I don't think they could be put up against each other, because they play different roles too. The Challenger is a hull down sniper, the Leo is a MBT
Grey Richmond it’s more like a mbt70 vs leo2k
The Challenger has been screwed up completely. It doesn't have the armour it should have
Yea that sounds right
Abrams:yeah I was made in 1980 any tank that was made before me is never gonna kill me
T 64,T 72, T 80U :*Russian bias noices*
I think it's a good match up. They are equally dangerous to each other. I would prefer to be in the Abrams though since it has better mobility and turret rotation speed.
Andres Vialpando but if its a far range combat which are pretty often in war thunder the t64 is better
Kerk 123 M833 is overkill for me. It has 490 mm of penetration. It makes the game unbalanced. They should fix the pen of M774 to 440 mm and DM13 to 470 mm
I love warthunder to death for all the hard work they do. from the modeling to the work needed to get the designs the tanks. the only problem i have is the timeline. For arguments sake, i know there needs to be balance. Russian tanks, until the abrams was introduced(IRL), would have stomped the guts out of any allied tank thrown at it. If you look at actual timelines, the americans were still fighting with the m60 when the T-64 was introduced.
"The Abraham's blowout panels"... lol
Fun Fact: the game Developers have no idea really what armor they used for the M1 Abarms series. So in reality the M1 Abarms could be like a king tiger in the Modern Era because they don't know how strong the armor is because it is classified.
Being a m1a1 tanker this all I got to say
Tip of the iceberg
The gas turbine is quieter than diesel engines. You should model diesel engine noise. They're louder.
M1 abrams will always be my favorite modern tank. Abrams clearly dominated the T-64B
Except for the fact that gaijin purposely left out the depleted uranium shot that the original m1 actually used in combat
This would be nice if 9.3 wait time didn’t take ten minutes for a match
6:00
“The Abraham’s”
I’m dying 😂
So the Abrams is superiour in everything. Thats what I call balanced gameplay
That's the problem, M1 Abrams have a ammo storage in back of the turret, and it's easy to shoot
Does the blowout pannel and blast door in the game function properly?
Yes abrams needs to reverse faster so that it can retreat from any threats and the t64 b just destroys the threat.
First time i killed an abrams was in realistic with my kv-2 at point blanc range from the front. he saw me but was distracted by a fellow teammate across the town square. KV-2 HE is still the best shell in the game heil stalinium.
Gaijin.. Please add for the Leopard 2K 440 pen apdsfs shell... The 417 mm pen It's not enough to break the abrams... And nerf the abrams reload time.. Stock 6.5 sec op...
Nerfing it would make it non-historical since it was easily able to do 5 second reloads with trained crews. It was able to do a 2.8 second reload irl, but that's only for the first shot or two. 5 seconds is the median of 3 seconds to 7 seconds.
Leo 2K APFSDS can't kill Abrams?!
Joshua Lai You can shoot it, but it will not take you to the turret or if it is far from impossible .. Abrams Wherever shot=die..
The real advantage of soviet tanks over western tanks is the ease of maintenance, lower price and weight per unit and the simple crew training needed. Mostly logistical and relevant to the strategic aspect of war. Mostly irrelevant to the meta of war thunder.
WAITING FOR APRIL FOOLS, WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE?!?!?!?1??!
Mig 29 vs F16?
modern jets or again new tank like m1a2 sep 3, challenger 2, T-90 or leopard 2
Modern fucin jets!!!!
SAM
Current gen tanks or current gen planes. Maybe after that one will be modern boats.
the abrams shoulda had a bigger gap than .5 points. the failed to mention the the t64s crew is SURROUNDED by ammo or that the crew is closer together
2:35 - impressive broken gun - 5:15 - broken useless armor * for those who think russia op: th-cam.com/video/dXQLMw5NZK0/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/THvZWs0jNvo/w-d-xo.html
in my opinion the t64 is somewhat better. not by much, just a little. the abrams is much more mobile but the 470mm of penetration of the t64 means it can penetrate the abrams at longer distances. the APFSDS of the abrams has 410mm of pen at 100m. go out to 500m-1km and it wont pen the t64 BUT the t64 will still go through the abrams.
What about the Leopard 2K and the Challenger? Could you report on them?
The abrams does not win because the T-64 can pen the abrams anywhere -.-. it's simply point and click with the T-64B while being next to inpenetrable to anything but the leopard 2k (unless you hit those tiny weakspots)
Real life talk. The M1A1 Abrams is better than the T-64B. The T-64BV is better than M1A1 Abrams, however M1A2 Abrams is better than T-64BV. And the T-90 is better than the M1A2 but is worse than the new M1A3 Abrams. And T-14 armata is better than M1A3.
pheeewww, rocket science right there lol.
The tank ingame is the basic M1, not the M1A1. M1A1 uses a licensed version of the Rh120 L/44 gun. Base M1 uses an enhanced version of the M68 from the M60. Plus, you're comparing a 1960s design (T-64) against a 1980s design (M1)
Not sure how you can say anything about how good the M1A3, T-14 and even the t90 to an extent because they all have classified and therefore unknown aspects as well as the fact the m1a3s and t14s are largely untested in combat??
M1A2 is better than T 90
M 1 Abrams is better than T64BV
The T14!!?? The freaking T14 is worse than the m1a3 and t90.
Love how he said in the red Corner than the left corner
About T-64B Armor, lower plate- no composition, same as driver visior on front plate.
+ front turret armor near gun is weak and without composition too ;)
M1 have better armor, only some spots in T-64B is better than in m1.
+ Very very very weak side armor in T-64B.
And survavilibity, rly 0,5 point for 1 more crew member and godmode ammoracks? lul
And about firepower, okay ATGMS, but they are pretty useless (small % players on T-64B use ATGMs), m1 have smoke rounds with 5 sec reload= its so awesome and usefull, m1 is like ninja.
Be honest, m1 is best tank for this moment in game, T-64B is in 4th place, Leo2k and challenger 1 are better too.
For really idk why russians get another T-64, when its still weak tank.
Upgrades for weaks tanks does not specially help.
My question is where are T-72A (1979) and T-80B (1978-1980 +100 hp for engine) (this tanks are true opponets for other newest tanks like m1,chall1,leo2 etc) when m1 is 1979-1980 and challenger 1 is 1983? (leo2 prototypes too 1980)
T-72A and T-80B its not specially better than T-64B, but with better engine and some improvements, and thats its, Russians should get faster tanks too, if not T-72A and T-80B because idk, ppl gonna cry and say 24/7 russian bias (when they should get these vehicles anyway) so maybe T-64BM with 1000hp engine?
Why u add to game, tank from 1984 when Russians can get older better tanks, because Russians improved T-64 so it would not be useless.
For example T-80B is similiar like T-64B but better engine, 10mm more on front plate and things which dosnt matter in this game (fire-control, rangefinder etc)
Tell me :)
T-80B for me is OP. It have 500 mm against kinetic and 600 mm against chemical in both turret and hull. The mobility will be makes this thing more OP. T-72A will be perfect
What? M1 have still better mobility, armor? there is no difference, ok better kinetic and chemical but so?
M1 for this moment cant pen front plate on T-64B so m1 cant pen front plate of T-80B too but he can pen him in weakspots T-64B and T-80B and all russian tanks have very similar weakspots- lower plate, driver viewfinder and spots near gun and other spots, just look at T-64B composition armor, this tank dosnt have everywhe best armor, and remember, wiki sometimes lie.
And still very bad survivalibity, only real difference is a mobility where Russians should get some.
M1 still have better chemical armor for example, and still better mobility and survivability than T-80 and etc.
And m1 can get better apdfs with 470 pen :)
Leo2- still can pen T-80B (650 pen) and weakspots with apfds - same like on T-64B.
Only problem is challenger 1, but this tank can get better rounds too and its be fine, turret still better than in T-80B.
And where u get this info?
not 500mm but max 450, similar like T-64B.
Only turret have more armor but this dosnt matter too (same weakspots like on T-64B)
But okay, ppl gonna cry because russian bias (when like i say before, sorry but its life, russians have T-80B when America got m1)
then add just T-64BM with 1000hp engine.
And T-72/B and first T-80 for example.
But look at T-80B: fighting-vehicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/T-80B-Tank-Image-1.jpg
Its VERY similar like T-64B.
Really, its not specially OP. And its not ferrari mobility, just better traverse and 300hp more (or 400 when they add T-80B from 1980 )
And like i say, some tanks can get better rounds, and they can be more op, just imagine m1 with 470 pen xD...
Diesel I got that info from this video th-cam.com/video/IuM-yChQlQY/w-d-xo.html and this PDF en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-64#cite_note-1
Its have 500mm with better front plate, just look at typical and first T-80B without this plate, they have very similiar like T-64B, so max 450mm versus kinetic.
And like i say, this dosnt matter, because tanks which cant pen T-64B cant pen T-80B too, but can pen them in Weakspots.
Diesel I guess you're right
If sequence mode was included on the T-64B like it has in real life it’s reload speed would be much more comparable.
What is sequen e mode?
Should've went for the T-72A instead of the T-64B
yeah they should add the t-72...but it would be so op against the abrams you know...
@@peterhajtman6290 T64B is actually better than T72A, just throwing that out there
@@peterhajtman6290 Wtf, look at this ibb.co/JQfrgVQ
@@peterhajtman6290 *When ruskies cry*
I would love to see more Vs videos, for example Tiger vs t 34 85 or any video talking about the best tanks at specific tiers.
"That's as high as you can get"
I think its a draw, because T64 is do smaller than the Abraham, besides, the T64 is 20 years older, and has R.V.S.P.S shells (Russian Vodka Stalinium Powered Shells)
How you Can compare tank from 1962 and tank from 90s
I am not a fan of russian tanks, but let's be honest. The T64 can keep up to the abrams in survivability and armament, even tho it was made a good 20 years earlier. I think they are pretty much equal in face to face combat, but lets compare the abrams to a t90 for good measure
Waiting for the t-72 to reclaim the Russian bias record
no need, the t64b is already better than the abrams, this video is just gayjinn lie
@@vargata salty Vietnamese
@@bradenross4182 poor taste, i prefer sweet hungarian, loser
T64B and M1Ambrams is great tanks
M1A2 soon? ALso M1 wins
M1A2 most likely not, at least not anytime soon, but hey, they confirmed M1A1 !
you mean M1A1 right?
Yeah. Anyway the m1a2s' armor is still classified
Abrahams.
Also blow out pannels only work when the shell never enters the crew compartment
But what happens if the m1 abrams has the high density depeted uranium m883 shot and its unnerfed turret armour of 480 to 540mm aginst kenetic(the range of armour values is the insurity some websites say the abrams has over 500mm in the turret aginst kenetic but i know for sure the M1 has 480mm in the turret but gajin nerfed the abrams.)
John Burkee source on that?
you actually dont know that as that is a state secret info on the websites is just estimates , also Abrams getting m883 shell would mean others get their counterparts and the soviet counterpart(3BK21B)) has 750-800 mm of pen I think nobody would like that
In steven zaloga mentions in his book "m1 abrams vs t72 ural: operation desert storm 1991" that a soviet report states thay the protection of the basic M1 abrams is equal to 470mm of steel aginst kenetic weapons.
I have also seen think tanks estimate more wkipedia says 560mm aginst kenetoc but wikipedia is known for lying
They drove M1A1s and M1A2s in desert storm, not M1 abrams. Even CIA estimates the armor of the Abrams to be 300-400mm.
War Thunder, make sure you add corvettes (the type of boat) or even just the Flower class of boats to naval forces. Please?
When will depleted uranium rounds be added
m 774 is a DU round ffs, and I doubt you want soviet tanks wtith around 800mm of pen with their DU round
Hayden Smith Eve online reference?
Nope just a name
Probably A1 or A2 1.8 or 1.81
To Soviet tankers, 4kph “no one step back comrades”
Playstation VR?
Prime Mexican?
I've been playing this for 3 days now and I'm blitzing the hell out of my opponents with a pzkpfw III E
hehehehe manual reload faster than automatic . Auto reloadload 8 round per minute . Best manual reload is 5 per minute, 54 tons of Abrams can move 50 kmh only on road .Mud and snow and and Abrams speed is 25 -30 kmh.
in RB stuff gets better...off road is off road there
But manual reload has always been faster than auto-loader and also, M1 tanks are oh so much faster and nimbler than anything Soviet made.
They should have a upgrade for the Abrams for a 120mm Main gun that the Abrams has today
It does.
GIVE THE ABRAMS ITS M833s!! If the T-64B can hurt the Abrams easily at 2km the Abrams should be able to do the same!
then the others should get their counterparts, and I dont think that brits or anybody else would love a soviet shell that has around 750 mm of pen
The difference between the top shell of the T-64B and the M833 is that the M833 will negate literally everything in War Thunder, resulting in the Abrams practically becoming the most OP tank in War Thunder. The Abrams can already do everything right now in War Thunder in the hands of a good player. Why make it even more powerful when its fine how it is?
Overlord That sounds like a shell that likely came out in the late 80s to early 90s. The 2A46 has been in use for a looooong time.
entered service somewhere in 1982 while the M833 entered service in 1983
Frank Bradley Look at the bright side. The T80 was the apex of Soviet tank development before the whole economy collapsed. NATO will have a clear advantage in the mid-late 80s bracket until the introduction of the T90 in 1993.
These new tanks are nothing short of amazing, but I hope you guys as gaijin can do something to help player retention!
First
you are 2nd XD
As expected of our king
*BOW DOWN YOU PEASANTS*
I've soon got the T95 unlocked... so close, yet so far away from the Abrams :(
i kinda think the abrams is a tank that has a lot more future potential in things that can upgrade and interchange, future i think their now gunna be adding a 120M gun on it, the armour can slightly change, adding additional features which in my eyes is a lot better and future potential than just creating a whole new tank design. Also some tanks can be better than abrams, such as my canadian leapard, but then again Americans have a non stop production on them meanwhile usa has more in triple backup numbers than my whole canadian army. So even if my leapard can delete 3, who cares when they outnumber everyone 10+ to 1
okay. i see. the abrams is better but, what about the time of develop of both machines? m1 abrams was developed in 1980's and t-64B in 1950-70"s
The Abrams is already a good tank. All it needs is a side armor buff
gaijin... mobility is all about the battlefield. in my opinion the m1 is the better tank. i dont have it, but i have to kill it in my t64b and they overrun us with their speed. so my only option with the t64 b is fire and hide like a chief. and the 105mm is still strong against all other tanks. because you can flank them easy as possible. but still a great patch gj gaijin
I have both t64a and t64b. They are always dead by 1 rapid shoot, by any lower BR tank even when perfectly angled and behind cover or hull down. They are extremely fragile tanks, a waste of silver lions (1.300.000 each). Now i have finished the research of T80 and i dont spend SL's to this piece of paper, i know from the battles i play, they are all dead meats from the beginning of the mach.
the t64b is 20 years older which makes the fight completely unfair
It is really unfortunate that when you were mentioning the shells you didn’t include that the Abrams had a depleted uranium shell. It would just be a cool side note. Anyways, great video
The M1 is very nice...I wait and wait for the M1A1 Abrams! And the F4 Phantom....but I will get the M1A1 Abrams first more :)....when 1.79 comming out? I need to destroy German bais with 120mm APDS-FS....
We need t72 and t80 in next update. Include leopard 2a4 too.
te t-64 should get 1 more point for suspension. in war thunder everything can be fine after a jump but in real life the abrams will be only scrap metal but the t-64 will be completly fine
now we wait for T-72/80,T-90,M1A1-2,Leopard 2 A1-5 series, and the Leclerc.maybe in a few years :x
I like these videos, they are well edited
#WarThunder Please do something with IS_4M because on the initial ammunition you can't play with 200 penetration, be the way this ammunition is already being discovered on the IS-3. Exactly the same with tanks T-54 on which three times we unlock the same ammunition
the nerf to the abrams' reverse speed was COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY!
Hey Gaijin, do you think maybe you could make it so the losing team in AB gets priority for air support instead of letting the other team curb stomp the trailing team worse
5:27 Just shoot the tank on the left of the night vision and then boom it is dead...... Abrams won this and it is so OP in the first 10 seconds of a match the Abrams had time to stop at every country in the world by the time the t-64B goes 3m and the armor on the Abrams is way better than the t-64B just shoot the t-64B in the low Part of the hull and boom instant kill
The Abrams uses a 120mm gun and has for a long time now.
The early Abrams (M1 and M1IP) still use the 105 mm gun
Update 20.1.27.18: introducing spaceships at BR 100.0
the Abrams should pen more. The 120 mm gun variant of Abrams can pen close to 1000 so this should pen about 500.
Gaijin thanks for fixing binocullar problem, thanks a lot
You forget the thermal optics on the Abrams, the superior connectivity (Abrams can talk and receive targeting data from other vehicles and fire on designated targets) and the poor ammo storage design of the T64 a hit center mass on one will frequently send the turret flying.
Agree...but i prefer how the M1 looks😁
One thing you can hear abrams miles away it's very loud compare to t 64b
Forgot to mention the T-64B’s Stalin Hand Guided shells