Hi, everyone, The Triumph Tiger 1200 was not launched at the time of this test. We really wanted to get it in this test, but timing for delivery of the Triumph from Europe to the USA meant it was not possible. If you'd like to read our launch report for the Triumph Tiger 1200 range, click this link: www.cyclenews.com/2022/04/article/2023-triumph-tiger-1200-gt-rally-lineup/
I like Adventure bikes because it's different & really efficient to what their purpose is. However, it would look even cooler without the hard casses saddlebags especially in he BMW R1250RT, BMW R1250 GS Adventure or K16000 GT, Ducati Multistrada V4s, Suzuki Vstrom 1050XT or Suzuki GSX S1000 GT, Honda Africa Twin & Honda NT1100, Yamaha Nikken & etc. Its too old shool for these new Touring/Adventure riders. They don't need those today because its too heavy & ugly. And, the space are not enough to accomodate all their stuff. They are just more into luggage rack that can be buy in Rally Raid in UK for example. Also, bags attatachment hooks that secure the bags well. Well known tourer around the world use this because its more efficient & easy to handle. Itchy boots & Charly Sinewan are two of adventure bikes in the world use it rather than old ugly saddlebags, especially the hard casses which is so outdated.
@@shermanc8768 When the Tiger 1200 is available, we will test it against the big dogs ASAP. That's for sure. I'm sure there will be a couple more bikes in this category when that happens, too. Which, if they're available when the other bikes are, we will also test them together. It's a logistical juggle to get them all in the same place so we're doing the best we can. Thanks for the comment and watching.
@@Thetiruguy We chose these models based on competitiveness in the marketplace at their given specs and size and availability. The AT is a bit under-gunned across the board compared to most of these massively sized weapons. Not a bad buying choice or consideration in the market at all, and we constantly recommend AT's to many. But there's only so many bikes we can compare at once so keeping it over 1,000 cc's made sense to us.
I drove the KTM 1290 SAS through South Africa few weeks back. The trip included gravel mountain passes (beautiful sceneries), some really tough off road parts until I reached paved mountain passes and advanced serpentine paths. I cannot stress enough the enormous character of this bike, it is nothing more than a beast. Hitting the paved roads like a sports bike, the amount of torque is just mind boggling. Handling off road like a boss just makes this bike unmatched. If you like to really DRIVE the bike, you could not ask for more.
I’m not an ADV rider. I’ve rode Harleys for 20 years. Done a fair share of touring. Riding dirt bikes in my youth for several years I have been really interested in the ADV for several years. Since the KTM 1290 Adventure came on the scene I have really been liking what KTM has done with the bike over the years.
I have the 22 pan am special and it's an absolute blast just clicked 4k miles. I've not tried the other advs. but I've been very happy. I did add a shorter aftermarket windshield. but that's it so far.
As much as I love KTM I knew it was going to win. Let’s be honest, KTM has been making adventure bikes and perfecting race bikes for decades. They are the true winner.
WD, and totally agree with your assessments. tbf, and this coming from a '18 KLR-650 rider, the Africa Twin (dirt version, not DCT) would be my dream bike, without taking out a second mortgage. I could still rail on the dirt, and some nice bags would take care of the long trips....for a gazillion dollars less. 😲 Still.......it's nice to know how the Martha's Vineyard crowd lives. I've never had wealth jealousy.....I am a giant fan of Victoria on Nauti Style's also 😁.
They're not actually better though Joe are they - it's like how I'm not jealous of BMW/Merc/Audi drivers. I'm perfectly prepared to spend that sort of money on a Lexus, because I like my machines to work reliably. Prestige is a cancer on engineering.
I own a 2010 Multistrada now. But after several years with it I am in the market for a KTM 1290 SAR. I have thoroughly enjoyed the Multi. It's an amazing machine on the pavement, comfortable too. If my wife would dig it, I'd keep it...but, I want something savvy off-road. KTM, here I come.
Nice comparison. For the money, I still like the Beemer as I'm mostly a highway comfort rider. All for choices are amazing, beautiful machines. I'm anxious to see the mid-sized ADV shootout in future. Thank you.
sir - you are very gracious with your responses. It is impossible to make everyone happy with videos. Your video was very good, clear and informative. Greetings and respect to all from Durango Mexico 🇲🇽 and Africa twin owner
I have a '22 SAS. It does very well for all roads, but does lack the R's offroad prowess. However, slap some wire wheels and dirt-capable tires on the S and you'd still get places that would surprise you. The stock Mitas on my S are actually not bad on gravel and rocky roads, but I wouldn't push it too hard with the cast wheels. I do think the S is the best choice for most riders. The WP suspension works so well and adaptive cruise is a great feature for longer asphalt rides.
@@MagnumMuscle1000 it still has "off road" modes for suspension and engine, and its still a KTM, so it would proably be better than the rest in off road.
3 bikes with 19 inch front and electronic suspension vs. the hardcore R version KTM with 21 inch and no electronic suspension. S model would have been much more relevant on road and still be better off road vs. others rendering it a better win vs the R.
Agreed. Yet the interesting thing this test shows is the clear negatives of the 21" front wheel and more aggressive suspension on road performance/comfort didn't actually hurt the bike in the rankings. It's on-road performance is so close even with the disadvantages. We are curious if the S model would have just dominated the test with improved road manners. So, maybe having the R made this test closer, actually. Again, it often comes down to availability for our match-ups.
It all boils down to what type of riding you will do which impacts which bike offers the most value. Most riders will do an 80-20 (if that) road/off-road split. This makes the Beemer and Pan American a better value for this type of riding.
The BMW is nowhere near the KTM in terms of riding qualities. The KTM needs to be controlled and driven while the BMW mostly drives you. For a person who loves to drive a MC properly the KTM will always be the choice. For people who just likes to cruise around (boring) the BMW will probably be a better choice.
I've spent $$$$$$ money on bikes. I currently own two 2024's that cost me $70k . I mention this for perspective. I picked the Pan Anerica 2024 because it's a great all-around bike. A big factor is reliability and maintenance cost. After 8 Ducatis 2x 2013 2x 2014 2x 2021 2x 2022. I got tired of the valve service costs. I love to ride and only ride on weekends (500 miles). The Harley is the most affordable, reliable, and reasonable maintenance costing brand I've owned.
I'm sure that the Duck is spectacular new but ADV is all about durability and high mileage reliability. How are the Ducks holding up over time as compared to machines like that GS-1250 and Africa Twin?
Agreed. Out of this group the GS is the clear winner for durability and reliability. However they didn’t include the modest Yamaha SuperTen 1200. That’s the secret “poor man’s” GS and arguably one of the most reliable motorcycle ever made.
I bought the Pan America and guess what... it's the best bike I have ever owned and man I've owned a lotta bikes. Forget about Harley doing their homework in ADV world. They went beyond that. Its my daily rider and the heat is really not a problem.
@@cyclenews sir - you are very gracious with your responses. It is impossible to make everyone happy with videos. Your video was very good, clear and informative. Greetings and respect to all from Durango Mexico 🇲🇽
Interesting. When a 1100cc Honda Africa Twin is no longer considered a Big Bore Adventure bike and is not included in the comparo... Or are these only Pavement Princesses? ;-)
@@grandiagod well, considering the bore of a motorcycle has nothing to do with HP but rather the cylinder diameter, and since the Honda Africa Twin has a bore larger than the Ducati MTS V4S which is in this comparison, I think people would indeed think of the AT when thinking about big bore ADV motorcycles.
I was excited to watch this until I found out there's no Triumph Tiger in the mix. Luckily I just bought one so I already know it's awesome. Still, it would have been nice to see how much more awesome you guys think it is than these other machines.
Great of you guy's to throw in the wildcard Harley Davidson, unfortunate that it had to take the place of an actual "big bore Adv" like the Africa and Tiger explorer. Quit watching after i read the title closely. .
We will Tiger it up when they're available. We still think the AT would get worked by the performance of this group for the macho's out there, but we can try that, too. There's still plenty to learn in here despite not including your choices above. Give it another go. Do it. Dooooo Ittttttttttt!
@@cyclenews i don't disagree that there's still plenty to be learned, but its not a real shoot out, title is a little misleading, that's all. Tomatoe Towmato
it seems like it makes more sense to compare the regular gs vs the gsa. all good. how come y'all tested gsa with aluminum bags? also, the ktm super adventure s, with 19" wheels, would seem to make more sense in this comparison.
I agree....it always seems to be a comparison of the GSA to a 1290 SAR. It really should be the GS Rally (with taller suspension) compared to the 1290 SAR. the GS Rally is narrower and lighter than the GSA. I had a GSA and specifically sold it to get the Rally because I started doing a lot more offroad riding and the GSA just seemed too big physically and visually.
@@daneav8 For sure, we'd love to get a GS Rally and test it against all GS' and then throw it into a head-to-head with a more serious off-road competitor like the KTM 1290. Adventure bike testing is amazing. Let's do them all!
Best comment ever. We should definitely through in a wildcard entry next time like this to take the macho seriousness out of the equation. Because, let's be honest, these bikes are ridiculous! hahaha.
Shame the Africa twin wasn’t included. I’ve rode most of the bikes included and didn’t find the Africa twin any slower on the road. It’s all down to torque and it’s low rpm. Unless you’re doing over 120 mph regularly the extra hp is unuseable.
It's great to see CycleNews covering the ADV segment more aggressively. Please keep in sight that this type of riding started with world-touring, not enduro racing. :^)
"perfect mix"... aka "the average all-rounder" that does nothing perfect. i think the 1290 SA-S (not R) is a much better option, both off road and on road, unless you are doing endless highway trips, where the GS is the king
@@dimosk7389 I did'nt like the SAS at all. Had one myself before but the older model wich I liked better... The R was better of the newer models i my opinion. The problem for me is the more bent knee angle or or would probably have bought a KTM SAR because of the price compared to the BMW. But to be honest i am thinking of the Ducati now, an absolute wonderful bike..... Just very thirsty.. 😀
@@Swedeonamotorcycle i had the same issue when i got on the new 1290...not comfortable at all for the knees, compared to my 1290 SA-T. the multi is insanely good, but too expensive and, as you said, stupidly thirsty for a new bike. Knox armour channel made a real world comparison and it would do about 200kms per tank, compared to 320 per tank for the 1290 on the same road!!! thats insane
I want to buy a new bike and I tested both of them. Gs1250 adv and Ktm 1290 SAS..... Ktm is very powerfull, feels not so heavy, and easy to handle....GS is mouch more comfortable, not so powerfull but still good enough, much better wind protection and better build quality. Im not a big fan of boxer engine but I think GSA will be much better bike for me ( 80 %road, and want to try some light offroad...)....but price is 25k usd for SAR with all options vs 32k for GSA with all options.....huge diference for slower bike...😖🤔
Though, my fully farkled S10 is the most boring of all the bikes I own... Its always my choice for interstate touring and nasty weather commuter. If I had a garage fire and all 6 burned up.... Id be at the Yamaha dealer first with the insurance check for another.
Yep that'd be the motorcycle I'd be buying a completely untested motorcycle by a company that specializes in bikes it need a lot of maintenance. With only a few dealers scattered throughout the world
I feel like this is missing the Africa Twin, the champion of them all. This is like Wimbledon excluding the Russian tennis player because he was going to win.
The Africa Twin Is Shit I owned It and Immediately Sold It. the Throttle Response, And Comfortability was Ass And Not to mention It Feels Heavy When You start Moving, It's like you are Constantly Fighting The Bike To turn. I bought A 1290 Super Adventure And have never been Happier than Ever
I was going to buy one of these, but couldn't decide which one. So I settled and bought a Toyota prius instead. It gets a lot better fuel economy. It has comparable horsepower. It's not as great off-road, but I can sleep in it in the a.c., or heat. I don't have to worry about a hernia if I dump it, and don't have to worry as much if I hit a deer at 70 mph. And it's safer in bad weather and no bugs in my face
Wish the Super Tenere was included..I guess because the 1200 is a touch under the 1200 mark, it didn't make the cut... also, watching this in 2024.... If BMW released a new GSA... BMW, hold my stein😆
I watched this like five years too early... Only, after about that much depreciation can I afford one of these. Thats not precisely true. After about three I can afford it, only after about five can I afford to take one offroad and have the funds to repair when needed. When, not if.
Interesting, how can bikes that don’t incorporate hydraulic lifter technology be mentioned in the analysis as a significant item? The people reviewing these bikes are not qualified!
It wouldn't. They were taking some liberty there with the commentary. I think the suspension at high speed on the Ducati probably outshines the KTM as good as it is. So that's saying something. But 10K better? Never.
I'll keep my honda, when the rest of the European bikes are in the shop I'll still be riding. Might not have the most horsepower, but it will run forever without issue. Seen to many KTMs in the shop sitting and waiting on parts, BMW are expensive to maintain, and ducati is a rich man's bike. Ain't gonna spend 30k on a adv bike that's gonna get beat up .
63, 000 miles on my 2017 GS Rally with tall suspension - numerous BDR's, 3 month trip to Alaska and other places, lots of off-road events, and has only worn knobby tires....she does not get babied at all...and I have never once had a single mechanical issue except for a broken spoke. Nothing. I'm not saying they are all like that, but the 3 that I have had have been dead reliable. I do all my own maintenance, so they are not expensive to maintain at all. Every 6,000 miles Oil/Filter/Air Filter and every 12,000 same+drive shaft fluid change, valves, spark plugs, and brake fluid flushes every two years. Nothing different than any other bike in my opinion.
Some people want a powerful bike for a more thrilling on-road ride 💁♂️. Considering that most people don't spend their entire trip off-road, the compromise in off-road performance due to the weight is worth it.
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Hi, everyone,
The Triumph Tiger 1200 was not launched at the time of this test. We really wanted to get it in this test, but timing for delivery of the Triumph from Europe to the USA meant it was not possible. If you'd like to read our launch report for the Triumph Tiger 1200 range, click this link: www.cyclenews.com/2022/04/article/2023-triumph-tiger-1200-gt-rally-lineup/
Pity the test was not delayed for the Triumph...
Why Africa twin is not guys , are you even serious.
I like Adventure bikes because it's different & really efficient to what their purpose is. However, it would look even cooler without the hard casses saddlebags especially in he BMW R1250RT, BMW R1250 GS Adventure or K16000 GT, Ducati Multistrada V4s, Suzuki Vstrom 1050XT or Suzuki GSX S1000 GT, Honda Africa Twin & Honda NT1100, Yamaha Nikken & etc. Its too old shool for these new Touring/Adventure riders. They don't need those today because its too heavy & ugly. And, the space are not enough to accomodate all their stuff.
They are just more into luggage rack that can be buy in Rally Raid in UK for example. Also, bags attatachment hooks that secure the bags well. Well known tourer around the world use this because its more efficient & easy to handle.
Itchy boots & Charly Sinewan are two of adventure bikes in the world use it rather than old ugly saddlebags, especially the hard casses which is so outdated.
@@shermanc8768 When the Tiger 1200 is available, we will test it against the big dogs ASAP. That's for sure. I'm sure there will be a couple more bikes in this category when that happens, too. Which, if they're available when the other bikes are, we will also test them together. It's a logistical juggle to get them all in the same place so we're doing the best we can. Thanks for the comment and watching.
@@Thetiruguy We chose these models based on competitiveness in the marketplace at their given specs and size and availability. The AT is a bit under-gunned across the board compared to most of these massively sized weapons. Not a bad buying choice or consideration in the market at all, and we constantly recommend AT's to many. But there's only so many bikes we can compare at once so keeping it over 1,000 cc's made sense to us.
I drove the KTM 1290 SAS through South Africa few weeks back. The trip included gravel mountain passes (beautiful sceneries), some really tough off road parts until I reached paved mountain passes and advanced serpentine paths. I cannot stress enough the enormous character of this bike, it is nothing more than a beast. Hitting the paved roads like a sports bike, the amount of torque is just mind boggling. Handling off road like a boss just makes this bike unmatched. If you like to really DRIVE the bike, you could not ask for more.
I’m not an ADV rider. I’ve rode Harleys for 20 years. Done a fair share of touring. Riding dirt bikes in my youth for several years I have been really interested in the ADV for several years. Since the KTM 1290 Adventure came on the scene I have really been liking what KTM has done with the bike over the years.
Absolutely love my new 1290 Super Adventure R. It's kinda heavy but i love it in every way possible. That thing is a beast 😁👌
Amazing to see you here loving you R🤣🤣🤣
I have the 22 pan am special and it's an absolute blast just clicked 4k miles. I've not tried the other advs. but I've been very happy. I did add a shorter aftermarket windshield. but that's it so far.
As much as I love KTM I knew it was going to win. Let’s be honest, KTM has been making adventure bikes and perfecting race bikes for decades. They are the true winner.
WD, and totally agree with your assessments.
tbf, and this coming from a '18 KLR-650 rider, the Africa Twin (dirt version, not DCT) would be my dream bike, without taking out a second mortgage.
I could still rail on the dirt, and some nice bags would take care of the long trips....for a gazillion dollars less. 😲
Still.......it's nice to know how the Martha's Vineyard crowd lives.
I've never had wealth jealousy.....I am a giant fan of Victoria on Nauti Style's also 😁.
The Africa Twin is a smart choice for a lot of reasons. We are especially keen on first generation models that aren't over-complicated.
They're not actually better though Joe are they - it's like how I'm not jealous of BMW/Merc/Audi drivers. I'm perfectly prepared to spend that sort of money on a Lexus, because I like my machines to work reliably. Prestige is a cancer on engineering.
The video feels incomplete without the new Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally Pro and Africa Twin.
1290 pro is in the same league,but not the Africa twin.
If they had only had a time machine..
I own a 2010 Multistrada now. But after several years with it I am in the market for a KTM 1290 SAR. I have thoroughly enjoyed the Multi. It's an amazing machine on the pavement, comfortable too. If my wife would dig it, I'd keep it...but, I want something savvy off-road. KTM, here I come.
Nice comparison. For the money, I still like the Beemer as I'm mostly a highway comfort rider. All for choices are amazing, beautiful machines. I'm anxious to see the mid-sized ADV shootout in future. Thank you.
Me too but Harley maybe is better on highway
sir - you are very gracious with your responses. It is impossible to make everyone happy with videos. Your video was very good, clear and informative. Greetings and respect to all from Durango Mexico 🇲🇽 and Africa twin owner
I preferred an used Honda Africa Twins .
Cheaper , lighter weight , good fuel mileage and durability.
But if you just wanted cheap, light, durable, and fuel efficient, the Honda Grom checks every one of those boxes.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Honda africa twin is not light. I can guarantee that.
Should've compared the 1290 SAS model with ACC and 19in front.
No. That bike is an on road tourer.
I have a '22 SAS. It does very well for all roads, but does lack the R's offroad prowess. However, slap some wire wheels and dirt-capable tires on the S and you'd still get places that would surprise you. The stock Mitas on my S are actually not bad on gravel and rocky roads, but I wouldn't push it too hard with the cast wheels. I do think the S is the best choice for most riders. The WP suspension works so well and adaptive cruise is a great feature for longer asphalt rides.
@@MagnumMuscle1000 so is the multistrada v4s.
@@MagnumMuscle1000 it still has "off road" modes for suspension and engine, and its still a KTM, so it would proably be better than the rest in off road.
@@MagnumMuscle1000 So is the Ducati. The SAS is better off road than the Ducati.
3 bikes with 19 inch front and electronic suspension vs. the hardcore R version KTM with 21 inch and no electronic suspension.
S model would have been much more relevant on road and still be better off road vs. others rendering it a better win vs the R.
I would’ve ordered it but the dealer is over an hour away and my BMW dealer is only 20 mins away.
agree
Agreed. Yet the interesting thing this test shows is the clear negatives of the 21" front wheel and more aggressive suspension on road performance/comfort didn't actually hurt the bike in the rankings. It's on-road performance is so close even with the disadvantages. We are curious if the S model would have just dominated the test with improved road manners. So, maybe having the R made this test closer, actually. Again, it often comes down to availability for our match-ups.
@@cyclenews Would’ve like to see a drop/pickup test. That Super Adventure is one of the most difficult big bore ADVs to pickup, if not the hardest.
@@ryanmalone2681 the new one is better with how it carries the fuel lower.
Chose the 22 HD P.A.S. and don't regret it. Love it!
It all boils down to what type of riding you will do which impacts which bike offers the most value. Most riders will do an 80-20 (if that) road/off-road split. This makes the Beemer and Pan American a better value for this type of riding.
The BMW is nowhere near the KTM in terms of riding qualities. The KTM needs to be controlled and driven while the BMW mostly drives you. For a person who loves to drive a MC properly the KTM will always be the choice. For people who just likes to cruise around (boring) the BMW will probably be a better choice.
BMW is a better bike!!
@@rickc16ktm is cheap plastic and Bad electric
No matter what all tests always miss atleast 1 important competitor
I've spent $$$$$$ money on bikes. I currently own two 2024's that cost me $70k . I mention this for perspective. I picked the Pan Anerica 2024 because it's a great all-around bike. A big factor is reliability and maintenance cost. After 8 Ducatis 2x 2013 2x 2014 2x 2021 2x 2022. I got tired of the valve service costs. I love to ride and only ride on weekends (500 miles). The Harley is the most affordable, reliable, and reasonable maintenance costing brand I've owned.
Nailed it man.
Thxs for the vídeo.
I was saving up for the t7 but now you had me having second thoughts about that KTM.
Cheers.
We appreciate the support.
I wanna see some footage of the GoPro that fell off the BMW at 0:24
How about some footage of us staring at the ground for an hour looking for it as we ride back down the road? Hahaha
No Triumph Tiger 1200? That's a shame, it's a real contender now
If they had only had a time machine..
I'm sure that the Duck is spectacular new but ADV is all about durability and high mileage reliability. How are the Ducks holding up over time as compared to machines like that GS-1250 and Africa Twin?
Agreed. Out of this group the GS is the clear winner for durability and reliability. However they didn’t include the modest Yamaha SuperTen 1200. That’s the secret “poor man’s” GS and arguably one of the most reliable motorcycle ever made.
I bought the Pan America and guess what... it's the best bike I have ever owned and man I've owned a lotta bikes. Forget about Harley doing their homework in ADV world. They went beyond that. Its my daily rider and the heat is really not a problem.
I really like what KTM did with the 1290 SAR. Just what this class of bikes needed - a serious dirt road focus.
1. Super Tenere 1200
2. Africa Twin 1100 adventure sport
Good call
@@cyclenews sir - you are very gracious with your responses. It is impossible to make everyone happy with videos. Your video was very good, clear and informative. Greetings and respect to all from Durango Mexico 🇲🇽
I wish you guys held off on this until the new triumph was out
I think the camera man had it right on the Yamaha T7 chase bike.
Even a T12
Really well narrated, great job thank you
What? no Super Tenere?
Ducati's range is what kills it for me... Need the Enduro back!
how can you not consider honda africa twin ??
How is the HD price at $20623?? when msrp is 19,999 spoked wheels are 1000. , ride adjustable is also 1000 that paint job is 690..
Wow... A hot Harley. Who'd a thought?!?
Great review. Thx. KTM knows dirt bikes
Missing the beast = AFRICA TWIN>>>??
the beast,??ktm it's there .. watch your mouth...
@@bynightful lol...
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Interesting. When a 1100cc Honda Africa Twin is no longer considered a Big Bore Adventure bike and is not included in the comparo... Or are these only Pavement Princesses? ;-)
If a bike can only make 95 hp with 1100cc's it's not the type of bike most people think of when they hear "big bore"
Much more than 90hp is useless offroad anyway.
@@grandiagod Claimed HP is 100, not 95. The previous generation 1000 is officially rated at 96. Likewise, that figure is probably conservative.
Honda has 1100 cc but only 100 ps. İt’s not enough to compete with others
@@grandiagod well, considering the bore of a motorcycle has nothing to do with HP but rather the cylinder diameter, and since the Honda Africa Twin has a bore larger than the Ducati MTS V4S which is in this comparison, I think people would indeed think of the AT when thinking about big bore ADV motorcycles.
Good to see the suzuki vstrom 1050 come out as the most honest "pavement princess" of this group.
Where is the Yamaha's??
I was excited to watch this until I found out there's no Triumph Tiger in the mix. Luckily I just bought one so I already know it's awesome. Still, it would have been nice to see how much more awesome you guys think it is than these other machines.
Hope you enjoy it!
Very correctly presented, congratulations!
Agreed, too bad it was taking too long for the "British" bike to arrive from Thailand.
Where's the Yamaha S10?
Leaving out the Triumph Tiger Rally Explorer, surprising.
0:22 BMW falls apart lol
It was a GoPro camera falling off...probably a suction cup mount
And the reliable one? Yamaha Super Tenere.
Great of you guy's to throw in the wildcard Harley Davidson, unfortunate that it had to take the place of an actual "big bore Adv" like the Africa and Tiger explorer. Quit watching after i read the title closely. .
We will Tiger it up when they're available. We still think the AT would get worked by the performance of this group for the macho's out there, but we can try that, too. There's still plenty to learn in here despite not including your choices above. Give it another go. Do it. Dooooo Ittttttttttt!
@@cyclenews i don't disagree that there's still plenty to be learned, but its not a real shoot out, title is a little misleading, that's all. Tomatoe Towmato
Did one piece of the BMW came oof flying at the intro?
Just kicked up a rock.
it seems like it makes more sense to compare the regular gs vs the gsa. all good. how come y'all tested gsa with aluminum bags? also, the ktm super adventure s, with 19" wheels, would seem to make more sense in this comparison.
I agree....it always seems to be a comparison of the GSA to a 1290 SAR. It really should be the GS Rally (with taller suspension) compared to the 1290 SAR. the GS Rally is narrower and lighter than the GSA. I had a GSA and specifically sold it to get the Rally because I started doing a lot more offroad riding and the GSA just seemed too big physically and visually.
BMW only had this GSA available for testing and the production package included the Aluminium bags from the factory to the dealer floor.
@@daneav8 For sure, we'd love to get a GS Rally and test it against all GS' and then throw it into a head-to-head with a more serious off-road competitor like the KTM 1290. Adventure bike testing is amazing. Let's do them all!
I am
On my second super Duke 1290r. That motor is perfect.
If you used a 2020 GSA why not the 2021Triumph? And I didn't hear anything about projected reliability and maintenance.
Considering an adventure bike, no need for long distance so really interested in your opinion on the Experia from Energica.
Missed opportunity to beat them with a tw200. 😁
Best comment ever. We should definitely through in a wildcard entry next time like this to take the macho seriousness out of the equation. Because, let's be honest, these bikes are ridiculous! hahaha.
@@cyclenews well said. Keep up the great content.
Shame the Africa twin wasn’t included. I’ve rode most of the bikes included and didn’t find the Africa twin any slower on the road. It’s all down to torque and it’s low rpm. Unless you’re doing over 120 mph regularly the extra hp is unuseable.
Thank you
It's great to see CycleNews covering the ADV segment more aggressively. Please keep in sight that this type of riding started with world-touring, not enduro racing. :^)
More to come!
Great video, thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Why use the GSA for this comparison? Seems that the standard GS would have been a better apples to apples.
Why no honda Africa twin?
Looking forward to see Triumph… Africa Twin… V-Strom…
You will see them in future videos
@@cyclenews Thanks for your reply. I eagerly await 🍻
and you recorder off board of there 700 I see... any comment on that comparison one... :)
For OFFROAD only i would choose the KTM, for ONROAD only i would choose the Ducati... For the PERFECT MIX i bought the R1250GS..
"perfect mix"...
aka "the average all-rounder" that does nothing perfect.
i think the 1290 SA-S (not R) is a much better option, both off road and on road, unless you are doing endless highway trips, where the GS is the king
@@dimosk7389 I did'nt like the SAS at all. Had one myself before but the older model wich I liked better... The R was better of the newer models i my opinion. The problem for me is the more bent knee angle or or would probably have bought a KTM SAR because of the price compared to the BMW. But to be honest i am thinking of the Ducati now, an absolute wonderful bike..... Just very thirsty.. 😀
@@Swedeonamotorcycle i had the same issue when i got on the new 1290...not comfortable at all for the knees, compared to my 1290 SA-T.
the multi is insanely good, but too expensive and, as you said, stupidly thirsty for a new bike.
Knox armour channel made a real world comparison and it would do about 200kms per tank, compared to 320 per tank for the 1290 on the same road!!! thats insane
Will second that...bm long distance runner and comfort and fuel consumption
I want to buy a new bike and I tested both of them. Gs1250 adv and Ktm 1290 SAS..... Ktm is very powerfull, feels not so heavy, and easy to handle....GS is mouch more comfortable, not so powerfull but still good enough, much better wind protection and better build quality. Im not a big fan of boxer engine but I think GSA will be much better bike for me ( 80 %road, and want to try some light offroad...)....but price is 25k usd for SAR with all options vs 32k for GSA with all options.....huge diference for slower bike...😖🤔
No Honda?
I still don’t see anything here to drag me off of my Super Tenere.
Yamaha is rated the most reliable.
Though, my fully farkled S10 is the most boring of all the bikes I own... Its always my choice for interstate touring and nasty weather commuter.
If I had a garage fire and all 6 burned up.... Id be at the Yamaha dealer first with the insurance check for another.
Its the peace of mind... Japanese..i have a Suzuki xf 650 so i know
Good for you, man. Really good for you. I’m glad you shared that with the entire TH-cam family. Really good. Awesome.
I test drove a few of these options. The Pan America sold me before I left the parking lot for the test drive. KTM was my choice
Yep that'd be the motorcycle I'd be buying a completely untested motorcycle by a company that specializes in bikes it need a lot of maintenance. With only a few dealers scattered throughout the world
I feel like this is missing the Africa Twin, the champion of them all. This is like Wimbledon excluding the Russian tennis player because he was going to win.
I'd take the Africa Twin over the HD simply because of it's looks and the quality. It's outclassed in the group in every other way.
The Africa Twin Is Shit I owned It and Immediately Sold It. the Throttle Response, And Comfortability was Ass And Not to mention It Feels Heavy When You start Moving, It's like you are Constantly Fighting The Bike To turn. I bought A 1290 Super Adventure And have never been Happier than Ever
Motul oil synthetic will cut the heat in half on the Pan-America
Should try it
Thanks for the tip.
0.24 What fell off the BMW ?
Honda Africa Twin is for me number 1.
I was going to buy one of these, but couldn't decide which one. So I settled and bought a Toyota prius instead. It gets a lot better fuel economy. It has comparable horsepower. It's not as great off-road, but I can sleep in it in the a.c., or heat. I don't have to worry about a hernia if I dump it, and don't have to worry as much if I hit a deer at 70 mph. And it's safer in bad weather and no bugs in my face
Good choice!
And your boyfriend probably loves the Prius too.
Subtitles, please
No sane person buys a BMW without the dynamic ESA.
No triumph tiger?
So Cycle News didn't get the news that Triumph just lunched a new Tiger 1200.
Pan america 23' what a machine!!
Wish the Super Tenere was included..I guess because the 1200 is a touch under the 1200 mark, it didn't make the cut... also, watching this in 2024.... If BMW released a new GSA... BMW, hold my stein😆
Nice. I like it!
Thanks!
Yeah, the Sucati comes with everything…except you have to pay extra for heated grips 🙄
I’ll take the new Triumph Tiger - thanks anyway 😎👍
It's basically a GSA. I also would take it over a GSA.
I worry about Triumph's durability and high mileage reliability though.
I found the pan America more comfortable then the BMW GS
Nice
No africa twin?
At :24, the BMW rider drops something (belonging?) from his bike !!!!!
CAMERA MAN WINS ON YAMAHA T7!!!!!
what abt crf1100L
Where is the Yamaha Super Tenere
Wasn't available for the timing of this test.
With all of these electronic riding aids there really isn't much adventure left in the Adventure bike segment.
Missing a key bike in this shootout... Where is the Triumph Explorer?
Nice review 👌
I watched this like five years too early... Only, after about that much depreciation can I afford one of these. Thats not precisely true. After about three I can afford it, only after about five can I afford to take one offroad and have the funds to repair when needed. When, not if.
none of these bikes will be running in 5 years lol
@@Mansplainer411 with all the electronics, that is very possible.
How would tiger 1200 compare
T7 chase bike. My ride somehow still made it in this video 😂
Note - the camera bike was a Yamaha T7 🙂
Yeah, curious how the tiger would have done. BMW needs an overhaul - they need a 1200 with a 21 inch front wheel..tough to beat that KTM
BMW better on road, KTM better off road yet BMW 3rd, KTM 1st ??
Do any of the bikes have hydraulic lifters to avoid excessive future maintenance cost?
The H-D does...
Interesting, how can bikes that don’t incorporate hydraulic lifter technology be mentioned in the analysis as a significant item? The people reviewing these bikes are not qualified!
@@bobmorasko You should read this. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
the Super Tenere wins and it didn't even have to show up.
Just got one. LOVE having something that's "off the radar"!!
So where is the SA-S? Wondering how that Ducati could obliterate the S on-road ?
It wouldn't. They were taking some liberty there with the commentary. I think the suspension at high speed on the Ducati probably outshines the KTM as good as it is. So that's saying something. But 10K better? Never.
supertenere 1200 is watching this while eating popcorn...
I'll keep my honda, when the rest of the European bikes are in the shop I'll still be riding. Might not have the most horsepower, but it will run forever without issue. Seen to many KTMs in the shop sitting and waiting on parts, BMW are expensive to maintain, and ducati is a rich man's bike. Ain't gonna spend 30k on a adv bike that's gonna get beat up .
Same here. For now I’ll stick with my Honda AT💪
Agreed. Loving logging the miles on my ATAS!
63, 000 miles on my 2017 GS Rally with tall suspension - numerous BDR's, 3 month trip to Alaska and other places, lots of off-road events, and has only worn knobby tires....she does not get babied at all...and I have never once had a single mechanical issue except for a broken spoke. Nothing. I'm not saying they are all like that, but the 3 that I have had have been dead reliable. I do all my own maintenance, so they are not expensive to maintain at all. Every 6,000 miles Oil/Filter/Air Filter and every 12,000 same+drive shaft fluid change, valves, spark plugs, and brake fluid flushes every two years. Nothing different than any other bike in my opinion.
I have 10k with my ktm. With the bmw i had 4 unanticipated workshop visits. With ktm zero.
Meanwhile sitting here with my T7 at half the price, 100 less lbs, and better reliability than any of them wondering what the big deal is?
Always a good option
Some people want a powerful bike for a more thrilling on-road ride 💁♂️. Considering that most people don't spend their entire trip off-road, the compromise in off-road performance due to the weight is worth it.
And the BMW is under powered for its weight.. I love my Duc….