2021 Big-Bore Adventure | Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- BMW R 1250 GS vs. Ducati Multistrada V4 S vs. Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special
We took three of the most powerful adventure touring motorcycles to Utah to find out which one was the best all-round performer. BMW, Ducati, or Harley-Davidson?
We had big-no, huge-plans for a big-bore adventure shootout. This included five national parks, numerous state parks, camping off the bikes, and long miles each day. And then an experience common to most ADV owners came to be for us as well.
Everyone has dreams of long journeys on their large-displacement rigs. But the reality is that getting more than a long weekend in can be incredibly challenging. As it turned out, some in our group couldn’t be gone for a week or more. Others got COVID. Some test units became unavailable due to supply chain issues. So we settled on a shorter test: three days of intense riding in Southern Utah, a land crafted by the gods for adventure motorcycling.
There’s nothing like loading up the panniers on a big ADV rig and setting out for a long weekend, and the three machines we chose for this test all do the job of crunching miles and finding new sights. Yet they go about it in very different ways.
No big-bore ADV comparison test can even be considered without our first bike, the BMW R 1250 GS. Simply put, it is adventure motorcycling. Close your eyes, think ADV, and you’ll see a GS. BMW has ruled the segment for so long, it’s almost surprising that riders don’t say “let’s go GS-ing.” Our particular test unit was a 2021 R 1250 GS-40 Years Edition GS, a long name for a long history of rally-inspired travel.
Ducati’s Multistrada V4 S is the spiciest meatball in the ADV world. Ducati launched the Multistrada in 2003, and it’s constantly evolved and improved through the years. Now, 19 years on, this 2021 model has V-4 power by way of Ducati’s Panigale superbike, but with conventional valve springs for long valve-inspection intervals (a remarkable 37,260 miles, to be precise). Even without desmo, the V4 S is the superbike of the ADV world. But that doesn’t mean it can’t go off-road with confidence. Multistrada means “many roads” in Italian, and Ducati means it, especially with this latest generation.
Harley-Davidson shocked adventure-bike fans when it first teased its Pan America concept in 2018. Three years on, the 2021 Pan America 1250 Special hit the market and was favorably reviewed after our first ride. It’s no pretender to the segment; it has the required equipment for all things big ADV and even a few tricks up its sleeve. Don’t think pushrods and a potato-potato soundtrack; an all-new 60-degree DOHC V-twin powers the Pan Am with a character that is both modern and powerful. It’s a new challenger in a fiercely fought arena, and H-D is serious about taking the crown.
Our test base in St. George, Utah, gave us access to a variety of roads: winding asphalt, fast and smooth dirt, rough-and-tumble two-track, and everything in between, allowing us to ride from a hot and dusty 2,700-foot baseline to a breathtaking 11,312 feet, with bouts of cold rain thrown in. The route would test our patience while moving through the crowds in Zion National Park and test our skills in the rocky and loose terrain of Dixie National Forest. Big miles and long days on the bikes are a must to really understand these three adventure-tourers, so we did the thing.
In preparation for the test we ran each machine through Cycle World’s thorough and rigorous data-gathering process: weighing them, measuring them, running them on our in-house Dynojet 250i dynamometer, and performance testing them at our airstrip test bed. Each step of this portion of testing was executed with each model’s street-focused standard tires on off-road-ready wire-spoke wheels; once this was complete, each brand’s optional off-road-focused tires were mounted and OEM panniers were installed. The BMW and Harley-Davidson strapped on their soft luggage; the Multristrada’s plastic hard bags are its only option, but those come as standard equipment on the V4 S.
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It is obvious to those that know me that I am a Ducatista. With that being said, I too was impressed with the Pan American when I test road it on the street. This review of all 3 bikes was excellent and really showed the off-road capabilities more than I've seen and certainly better than I have done due to my lack of off-road access where I live. Hats off to all of those involved in the making of this video. Outstanding observations and conclusions. HD will be happy about this.
Wow! Thanks for your review! I have 11,000 miles on my Pan America and love it!
bmw period
It's folly to compare these bikes and not include the current KTM 1290 Super Adventure R (the new iteration should be even better). It is really fun and comfortable on the road and should best the others in the dirt. It may be a little unrefined compared to the BMW and Ducati but it easier to work on than either and is more raw and lively. The BMW is definitely let down with weak suspension and lackluster power delivery,despite it's high build quality.
If I’m not mistaken, the KTM 1290 Super Adventure will not be available in the US until 2022. I am eagerly awaiting it’s arrival!
Great video and great test. And HD as the winner was a surprise too.
If I had one complaint it’s I wish you had the chance to add the new big Tiger and maybe the big KTM.
Still, really enjoyed the test, thanks.
The HD looks like a good package but appearance wise I am reminded of a fifties vacuum cleaner. Butt ugly.
The ~BMW does not heat your toes!
I’ve owned one, in a hot climate, for the last 3 years.
Harley pan america.... Big bike but has a cute design and simple. I love Harley....!!!!!
Nice to see HD take the win. Hopefully they will continue to improve it. Now I'll be out on the KTM...
Why has this channel only 113k subs? This is one of the view places where you find really thorough comparisons and professional analyses of tested bikes. Internet is weird.
The pan America was absolutely not on my radar for a big ADV. Stopped by the Harley dealer looking for some gloves. They had one and now it’s for sure top of the list. It’s just not the size of a small car like the others. If your 5’8” or under I highly recommend looking into the Harley.
I hope you do this again with the new Super Adventure R and Tiger 1200. Great video thank you
Fantastic production fellas. Thanks for the views, comparison and info. I test rode all three last summer and bought the HD. For me, the attraction was immediate. It's my 54th bike, I've tried quite a few and am absolutely in love with the Pan America. It does it all, and does them well.
@@Motortexan I have the 22 Special as well. Love it!!
My bike finished last but I still love this review! You really did a fantastic job breaking it all down. Well written, great explanations in all the categories - I learned a lot. It is clear you put a lot of work into this - and I totally enjoyed every second of it! As you said, you cannot go wrong with any of these bikes and I’d take any one of them, any day! The video was great / I did a trip out there a year ago on a Hypermotard and love the roads north of Zion. It was great revisiting some of the scenery! Guys - A plus! Huge thanks!!!
I totally agree with you.
@@RemboUSMC my man Rembo! I liked your last video as well! Seeking out whatever twisty roads you could find in the tough neighborhoods of south FLA! Ha! Good to see you have your bike back. Enjoyed the music and you ripping’ it on that entrance ramp at the end. These guys have way more resources and it’s incredible what they can put together. You do just fine as well!
Imagine Multistrada go triple black and red lining design, those way to aggressively beautiful
I stopped watching once I realized the KTM, Honda or Triumph weren't a part of the test. The Ducati is a street bike with 50/50 tires, the Harley is a fat kid scraping his belly on everything (but it has 50/50 tires..), the BMW is amazing everywhere, but to not include arguably the best and 3rd and 4th best bikes in the category is just lazy reporting.
I could almost smell the dirt in my face! Great comparison video.
That was very patriotic CW!
I'm not sure why the KTM 1290 SAR or S wasnt involved with this comparison. All the videos I've seen on the newer KTMs have shown it to be outstanding. cycle world you've done us a disservice without its inclusion.
I have no interest in ADV bikes but still watched, keep up the good work.
Nice video but outta all the choices in the adventure category I chose the Ducati Multistrada V4S, with little intention to go off road with a 500 pound plus motorcycle I liked the Ducati the best, everyone ride safe.
Nice review. The PanAm certainly holds its own off-road. Having owned two of the bikes and ridden the other a fair bit, my personal conclusion was a little different. The BMW is the most practical, and well-developed after 40 years. The Ducati is the most technologically advanced, the most fun, and surprisingly the most comfortable. And the HD is a great first effort and even has a USP (lowering suspension), and desirable hydraulic lifters, but it's still a beta version to a large extent. It has missed the latest innovations (active cruise/blindspot), and although powerful, the engine/gearbox is not as refined, and neither are smaller things like the screen adjuster. I know a HD dealer, who told me he sent his first PanAm back to the factory, as the engine didn't sound good - and he didn't mean no 'potato-potato'. And one of my crew had an 11-hour ride home in limp mode on his (a dealer on his way home refused to help him btw!), which was never fully diagnosed but did go away after some eventual connector pulling and diagnostics resets - he has a Tiger 1200 GT Explorer on order, which he'll trade his PanAm and a Panhead for - that Triumph is a sound choice for 2022 methinks! But IMPO, honestly the HD PanAm isn't even top 3 even in 2021, because the heavily revised KTM took that bronze. So which is better, the GSA or V4S? It's subjective and so down to preference. But one thing that isn't, is that they are both noticeably better in qualitative and quantitative terms than all of their other peers, at present. The '22 Tiger vs GSA - the battle of the 8 gallons shafties - is certainly going to be a pay-per-view event. I think the Triumph might cause an upset!
I've had a Pan American since August of last year and when it's working I love it. But I've been plagued with electronics problems almost continually. 2 months ago the battery died while running while I was at a stop light. I ended up getting it towed to the local HD dealership. It took them 10 days to source a replacement battery. 2 days ago I was pulling out of the garage to go on a ride and the engine was acting strange and then it throw a general fault light at me. I pulled over turned off the bike and waited for it to completely shut down. Then it wouldn't start up again. Pushed it the block back home and hooked it up to a battery tender and now it starts again. But I had just finished a 4 day motorcycle trip and I had ridden it for an hour the day before. It's not as if the battery should have had a chance to drain. It's very frustrating.
Sounds like you re unlucky with your bike i hope it will be good from now on
I got the 2022 pan america this year. I have been having the same problem. My bike just turns off on me with seemingly no rhyme or reason. The dealership is looking into it now, im worried they are just going to find reasons to charge me for whatever is wrong with the bike.
Update: they replaced my bike with the same make and model but as soon as I left the lot my engine cut out. They looked it over to say it was the same problem, a loose pin connection. They ended up settling, giving my down payment back and terminating my contract. They are no in possession of the bike and my bill has been completely zeroed out
@@mrgrimrjs wow! That’s a crazy story! At least you got your bill zeroed! Been researching a lot about this bike! But these are the cons im afraid of! They all have their pros and cons but i guess they’re just too new maybe?
@Sergio Santinato idk. I only know this was the case for me. Had it not be the case I would have kept the bike. I loved that bike. It does seem to be a universal problem from what I can tell
One aspect (for decision making that matter to the consumer) BMW, at least in the US market has the most “try before you buy” user friendly philosophy. And although it is NOT a technical consideration, with such tight margins between these three, I appreciate this aspect alot as we riders need not only other people opinions and reviews but -mind you?- our own review. And the absolute no pressure to sell you into it mentality of the good BMW dealer and sales personnel is paramount to me. Not necessarily would determine going GS ofcourse, but in my checklist and at their prices it is quite favorable
Nice video. I'll take my Africa Twin Adventure Sports against all of these for many reasons, but two main reasons specifically, cost and reliability. I'd NEVER buy a HD because they're not known to be reliable. Not a good trai for off road middle of nowhere riding. This same reason can be applied to the other two for a lesser degree.
false. never had a problem with bmw and ducati
Drove my Sportster for 100,000kms with no problems. Now I got me a 114 Heritage. Put 15,000kms on it this summer. Zero issues and I'll never have to adjust the valves or replace a chain.
In Europe Multistrada won the Alpenmaster.
The big surprise for testers was related to the extraordinary and unexpected off-road responsiveness about MTS with the gamble of using 4-cylinder in off-road use.
In all tests made in Europe, HD has arrived behind Ducati, BMW and KTM both in off-road and in the all-around utilization.
So it’s quite curious the result of this test.
By the way for sure H-D is absolutely something of new very close to iconic Mad-Max Bike.
Wonderful roads and fantastic scenarios for this video.
I like to see dirty bikes 😉
KTM wasn't evaluated in this test, but it should have been. The Super Duke is fantastic!
It's not that curious. Home turf advantage. Same reason Triumph fares well in Brit media, Ducati in Italian media and BMW in German media. Can't say I've encountered any Austrian media, but I'd be surprised if team orange didn't get a similar helping hand from them.
I've ridden the Harley I have to disagree with your opinion/assessment of how good the Pan America is compared to the GS or GSA...I think for a first attempt they did a good job but to say it won is per conjecture on your part.
Great vid, you guys are super legit. Please keep it up!!
Great review, I was so happy when the editor decided to turn down the volume of that annoying background music half way through. Just leave the music out completely, it's an old trick to try and make the review exciting and in this case, it doesn't need it. Very informative and excellent review.
everyones talking about the HD pan am but im drooling at the Norden 901 lol.
If you were heading off road, why did you not use a GSA? More suspension travel.
I'm very excited to see a review like this but a little disappointed the KTM wasn't involved.
And Triumph, the 1200 rally can certainly fight for a place on the podium.
@@thierryfaquet7405 I agree and the Africa Twin.
I guess they figured it wouldn't be fair.
I've been a Harley guy for years, but I have to say I find this 'review' suspect - as in I suspect the advertising dollars Cycle World receives from The Motor Company seriously compromised the objectivity of the outcome; particularly given that any other head-to-head comparison (performed by outlets that aren't compromised by H-D spend) definitely DO NOT conclude the PA is the best all-round bike of the lot.
I'd really love for the PA to legitimately beat the GS and Multi on its own merits, and I think H-D have done an incredible job with the PA in their first foray into the ADV segment. But it's unquestionable there's room for improvement, and 'reviews' like this - that are so obviously compromised by the publisher from fear of losing advertising income - don't help manufacturers improve their bikes and seriously damage the credibility of the 'reviewers'.
That said, I'm VERY thankful to see somebody FINALLY include the Multi in a big bore ADV face-off. So THANK YOU to Cycle World for doing that. However, it's inaccurate to day the only panniers available are the plastic ones; Ducati does have aluminum panniers available that are made in collaboration with Touratech.
Please continue bringing us content like this because the details are informative, even if your conclusions are suspect, and PLEASE get your reviewers out from underneath the thumb of your publishers advertising department so we can trust you.
Newsflash--- Cycle World is advertising free. All of those words for nothin... no publisher ad department.
What is your evidence that HD paid them off? Your own surprise is certainly not enough to go on a comment rant. Like 99% of internet comments you just "know"??? Im surprised too but with the terrain not being as technical and mostly higher speed double track with lots of on road its not inconceivable that the HD was preffered by these guys under these circumstances.
100%. Suspect indeed. It’s a fact when dealing with comparing products from major players. Truth doesn’t always get you invited to all party’s. It is a fact and truth that HD needs desperately the help. Gotta know this.
They are an American publication. Home turf advantage. Still, considering HD hasn't exactly been pushing performance machinery or at the forefront of innovation (credit for the Live Wire though), the PanAm is a very impressive departure from their cruisers. Good thing too, as their traditional user base (baby boomers) is exiting the market altogether.
Not the GSA with it's longer suspension then the GS at 8.3in F and 8.7R?
Finely true ADV review ..tnx
I actually think I'm going with the PAN AM.
Loved the video!! Proud to own my 21 Pan America Special..an amazing bike indeed. But I’m sure anyone who owns a Multi S or Gs will be just as happy
I think I'm gonna own the Pan America, it has also got the best design of all adventure motorcycles
I,ll wait till next year perhaps HD will give it a quickshifter better brakes and a better screen ?
After Long Way Round, comparing the GS with anything else that didn't take that test, is futile. Declaring HD the winner here smells like somebody has a patron, in particular since I saw another head-to-head comparison video which the GS won (again, futile effort). Comparing adv bikes like that in a few hundred mile test with only a few riders is just way too insufficient. You need a 10Kmiles test with all the books filed out, service, failures, cost of operation, and so on, and so on. Then draw a conclusion.
I am 5.4 height can I drive BMW gs r 40 years edition bike ?
I want to believe this and... well... it just seems so highly highly unlikely that the pan am outperforms the gs. so unlikely. the reasons in this video are so vague that it loses credibility.
This.
Tried both. Chose the Panam over GS. Video is accurate
@@MasterBlasta how come? how does panam best gs?
@@damytzeus in my opinion pan am was great but ground clearance seems a bit low
There's a video where 2 men in another country put the pan America through some rough mountain mud slat gravel and up hill. That will change your mind. I just returned From New Orleans from looking at the GS and Ducati. After watching that video I'm going back to the Harley. Sorry I don't have the video. Just type I'm pan America off road. And you will find it.
Should have included the new Triumph Tiger.
I have Harley Davidson street glide, hopefully Harley sticks to the pan America. Once some more performance parts or upgrades are available I'd love to get one
This is awesome! Way to go Harley-Davidson. When I rode the Pan America I loved it. I haven't bought one yet but I hope to own one soon. Great video Cycle World.
Gotta admit, HD have surprised MANY of us. What a pity they didn't develop their new motors sooner for the road range, instead of the dinosaur technology. Great video folks. Tall, when are we going to see more from you brother?
Rode the Pan American at Overland expo and was disappointed with the stiffness of the levers and tft display. I haven’t ridden a v4 multi yet, but I’m still a huge fan of my GS! I do wish the rear suspension could be improved, but still the best bike I’ve owned so far.
Great Harley Ad. Guessing KTM, Honda and Triumph were left out of the comparison on purpose, because the results would not be the same if they were included. Hoping Harley paid you well for this.
You are a 100% correct.
@@brucekendall52 yeah it would be HD, BMW KTM HONDA TRIUMPH DuC.
Wow, impressive on the Pan Am.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW ! ! ! ! ! ! ! AWESOME ! ! ! ! ! ! AMAZING VIDEO ! ! ! ! ! FANTASTIC ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Perhaps I missed it but I hear you talking about the HD in "road" mode but I'm curious why you don't talk about "sport" mode?
And yet, everyone would choose GS or KTM...
good review guys!
I shopped all three and came home with a GS.
This needs updating to include Triumph 1200 Rally and KTM 1290 SA/R and also a reference to the GS drive shaft spline maintenance issue.
When I rode the Pan America, I couldn't believe how crappy the side stand was. The ride was good but it was not as good as a GS. But that's just my opinion. I'm looking forward to trying the new Tiger 1200.
Which one is most reliable?
Great test. The type of dirt roads seems to level the playing field a bit but those are the roads you had. No mention of the auto lowering function on the HD. A game changer for a lot of "normal" height people. Now if I only could have read this on a MAGAZINE !!!
10:48
@@AustinMClary they did mention the auto-lowering function around mid-segment, and how great it was for when you need to turn the bike around.
Thanks
@@tonyciriello6872 And they mention it in the full written review which is linked in the description.
😂 the lowering function is like a dvd player in the back of a car. It’s a selling point but not a top 100 reason I would buy a bike. Silly.
I’ll keep my GS thank you very much.
nice comparison🔥
Thumbs up
KUKI
Excellent
Nice review, however I have an extremely hard time believing the HD is the overall winner. Guess I have to go for a testride ..
Do it! It's no different than choosing a car, it's all in the rider's mind. I doubt any of us would be capable of pushing any of these bikes to their limit but we will be able to decide which one we personally like best!
very informative 👍👍👍
Excellent review of three bikes being used in their intended environment. I own an older Multistrada & love it's road going manners. If I were in the market the HD Panamerica would get worthy consideration.
PS. Those mule deer are no joke at night & any engine heat is welcome considering how cold desert nights get!👍 Keep up the good work!
What about the blast furnace coming off the Harley engine at slow speed? I wouldn't be caught dead on one in warm weather, give me the GSA any day. Or if I wanted to spend over 10,000 more, I would get the Ducati.
At 10:35, that's a really nice shot.
So you’re telling us the HD is the best based upon more off-road capability, though that low ground clearance that has the battery and rectifier right behind the front wheel and would be submerged in any minimal water crossing (we all don’t live/ride in a dust bed). No mention of the excitement of not knowing if the HD will start or whine like a little kitten that was stepped on when hot.
Much like most of the reviews it seems like you’re never bothered to fully understand or explain the much more comprehensive settings on the Ducati. The BMW has preset preload and preset modes, HD has auto preload and preset modes, while the Ducati has preload modes that can be individually adjusted and saved to each mode, And the Duc has the ability to individually adjust damping as well as multiple settings for abs and traction control that can be customized and saved to each ride mode, all customizable edited settings are saved to each individual ride mode even after the ignition is cycled and saved to that mode. The (lack of) functionality in the BMW and HD has no adaptability/adjustability beyond the factory modes… if they’re not right for the situation you get the tail wagging and pogoing…
But it’s also understood that the vast majority of riders don’t adjust the suspension on any of their bikes or understand how suspension functions or how rebound/compression/preload can vastly alter a bikes handling.
But eh, reviews for the masses I guess.
You also forgot to mention how inferno hot the rear cylinder gets on the PanAm, melted my Klim pants, yeah the rear cylinder deactivated at lights but it’s right there when riding, though Levi’s and T-shirt will probably be the gear of choice for the majority of the owners.
"melted my Klim pants, yeah the rear cylinder deactivated at lights but it’s right there when riding, though Levi’s and T-shirt will probably be the gear of choice for the majority of the owners.
Oh wow, melted his high dollar plastic poser pants........I'm callin BS on that one.
@@hiflyer1168 I'm not going to say my Pan Am is perfect but I don't understand all the heat issue complaints. I've ridden for hours at a time in 90+ (F) heat and didn't have any heat issues at all, well at least not from the bike.
And Levi's and T-shirt is not my choice of riding gear.
@@nbrider7235 No heat issues for me, I'm coming up on 8k. no issues of any kind at all.
@@hiflyer1168 The only issue I have had in 5k was riding through a torrential thunderstorm and a code came up but I just cleared it the next time I stopped with no problem.
All 3 will nicely get you into and out of trouble competently. All the rest of the narrative should be about which one inspires you more and what do you like looking back at as you walk away. No big bore Comparison can be complete without the Honda Africa Twin, KTM 1290 Adventure R and the new Triumph Tiger 1200. Maybe next time. Congrats to HD. There are some fit and finish issues.
I bought the 1290 SAS after test riding the GS. The adaptive cruise control is an absolute game changer.
Ducati all time😎
I think like a lot of the other comments - can’t do a real test without the KTM 1290!!
Awesome bike's bro
Lol I wonder how much Harley gave them. Biggest load of Bull ever
Sounds like a subliminal commercial for the PanAm, lol
Great comparison video!
But, how the pan am could do against the ktm super adventurer?
BMW GS 1250 has 2 Suspension Modes. 1 - Dynamic can be set to (High - Auto - Low) and 2. Road can be set to (High - Auto - Low). Dynamic is the stiffer of the 2. Next time, try the different settings and you will find what you're looking for before saying something negative.
Tried them all, Bub. Rebound damping is still inadequate.
Dayyuuum. Nice job, HD!
No Africa twin ?
Obviously they weren't concerned with reliability.....
@@Mark11704 👍👍 you re totally right 🤣🤣
BMW HP 136, Harley 150HP and Ducati MS 167HP
3/5’s comparison ?🤔 Triumph ? KTM ?
They we not available due to supply chain issues. We tried for several months do have all of the big bores...
@@cycleworld Yep, access has been an issue the past 2 years. Outstanding job on this one.
@@cycleworld understandable, hope to see an update one day with the KTM 1290, Africa Twin, and Tiger 1200 tossed in!
@@cycleworld Hopefully that can get sorted in a follow-up. I know the new 1290 SAR has been hard to come by and the new 1200 Triumph only really broke cover fairly recently.
Nice review and camerawork but no mention of price?! Amazing omission?
They are dealer, bikes given to them. Or very rich, next trip their chauffeur drives.😅😅
I don’t have a dog in the fight but it seems like the GS is still king for those who wander into rough off-road terrain. It’s low speed handling is just amazing. Multi is the way to go for a majority of twisty on road riding. Pan America is a compelling option for HD loyalists wanting to get into ADV, or for ADV riders who want an American machine.
Well said. I'm new to the Adventure Touring scene and greatly respect the GS and its history with ADV riders. I chose the Pan Am about 6 months ago and love the bike. I have owned HD bikes for several decades and went with what I know. Recently I saw the new Multistrada and it is also a beautiful bike with an eye-watering price tag. It was wonderful to see the bikes together doing what they do best!
I would have liked the 3 riders to be changing bikes and hear what they had to say; eg were they fighting on who gets to drive the Ducati on the road vs who is going to ride the gs off road :-)) and indeed the triumph, ktm, and yam or Africa needs to be up there plenty of choice these day. For me shaft always wins cause in dusty/sandy environments the last thing I want to be doing is cleaning, lubbing, and adjusting my chain
Been waiting for this one as my 2018 Ktm1290s just got stolen
Here is another review with the H-D vs BMW 1250 GS vs KTM 1290 Super ADV. I have to say most reviews say the H-D's suspension isn't up to the task when it comes to off-road. On-road it works well, but is too soft for off-road riding. I wonder if this review leans toward the H-D because it's a USA company doing the review? th-cam.com/video/jP5bd615wQk/w-d-xo.html
And found another owner review video with good info on the Pan American and some known issues with the bike. Some very weird issues that hopefully they will address.
th-cam.com/video/2kAFtQaVoIk/w-d-xo.html
Africa Twin
sorry
This might be the video of the year. Thank you, guys, extremely helpful info
Why isn't the KTM Super Adventure R and Triumph Tiger not in this comparison? And dare I even mention the V Strom?
Great comparison!
Good review, but would be better if the new Triumph Tiger 1200 was included in the comparison.
That one is coming mid 2022.
I see... looking forward to that review... Thank you.
Why would anyone want a bigger/heavier adventure bike than KTM 950/990 Adventure? That’s the perfect mix between dirt bike and road bike. Anything heavier/bigger is absolutely unusable off road and it’s still a good street bike.
Because most large displacement adventure bikes are ridden are super slab tourers. If off road is where you spend the bulk of your time then a smaller displacement would make sense.
Good vid!...but when push comes to shove, everyone will have it's one opinion, I reckon.
Great video and great review. For me the Panamerica is a non starter due to the insanely high temps on the right. I live in Las Vegas and routinely ride in 100+F temps.. The HD exhausts are routed in such a way that you get an insane amount of heat on your right foot and shin.
I'm from Vegas as well, ride all year long and like you said, heat management is quite important here !
with a face, only a mother could love...
Let’s see the tiger 1200 added to the mix!
GSA IS STILL THE BEST BIKE
BMW UNCOMPARE PERFORMANCE
I'm kind of mad BMW or Ducati didn't come up with adaptive height suspension because those were the bikes that I thought I wanted. Be it at 5'6", HD easily won my purchase and fundamentally changed my perspective of the brand.
The BMW does have adaptive height, hold down the suspension button to select min/low. Or leave in auto.
@@jimallenjjbsservicesltd2641 That's selective height not adaptive. Sure I could do that every single time I turn the bike on and every time I stop but just like how I don't want to tell TCS/ABS how to work I don't want to tell the suspension what and when to do it's job either. No matter how you spin the other equipment the fact is they missed a demographic and $20k.
@@christiansaywhat4492 it will stay at min height unless you tell it otherwise. Hey, your money, your choice.
You did not include the KTM 1290 R??
As ADV always prefer shaft drive
Prefer shaft drive personally.
congrats to harley, i honestly believed they were too far behind in the game to pull this off.im glad they proved me wrong.strong sales of the newer models may finally get them out of the slump of the same old crap.they had no choise. harley buyers would only buy the same old crap they been buying for multiple decades.you got to build what will sell.way to go harley,i really hope this works out well for them.wow!! a harley that actually does something other than make noise & go nowhere quickly.