"Today's bullshit, tomorrow's nostalgia." That's the most accurate thing I've ever heard. Remember Wind Waker? or how everyone hated Beast Wars because it was different?
I disagree , 90s and even 80s cartoons were way better... main shows down to the weird or the even unknown stuff....over all it was way better then any thing today . Nostalgia has 0 to do with it.
I was worried at all the people upset at the She-Ra reboot but who apparently don't remember the He-Man reboot. Like, some people were unironically saying stuff like "What's next, they're going to reboot He-Man?" I don't understand how such a show could be forgotten so easily. Episode 1: Skeletor gets his face melted off by acid.
Yeah it was a really cool reboot. I was watching the Netflix documentary, the Toys That Made Us. They mention the 2002 He-Man didn't do well for the vague reason of "It's something kids at the time didn't want." I'm thinking maybe it was an american action show about an adult in a time full of teen anime heroes.
@@RebelTaxi yet it still had more passion and respect for the source material of the original put into it than this new She-Ra reboot. Thundercats 2011 did the same thing before getting canceled. There are proper ways to do a reboot to appease the existing fanbase while trying to bring in a new audience. This She-Ra reboot fails at doing that and its marketing is partly to blame for this. Had DreamWorks come out front and told everyone ahead of time that this reboot was going to be radically different from the start then there probably wouldn't have been as much backlash as what they did with waiting a few months before release to show case the Tumblr designs of the characters while deflecting criticism of the designs by calling the critics trolls and incels.
@@alecperdeau650 I don't get people using "tumblr" for a style or a design just because of a loud minority of sjws. You know that's not all there is on tumblr, right ?
Gi Joe Resolute from 2009 also was a great reboot of the original 80s cartoon. Too bad it only was 1 tv movie. Gi Joe Renegades also did a great job rebooting the Joes for modern times.
Lmao oh god. I've been watching the new She-ra and they couldn't have made the ship teasing more blatant, especially in the Princess Ball episode where our main leads are practically treating each other like people who just found their ex dating someone else
@@lasagnamafia while i ship the hell out the 2, that was my one gripe with last season. The redemptions of not 1, but 2 characters felt rushed and i feel that with more seasons they probably would've done more with it. Other than that i had so much fun
@@AggieGal711 that happened to comedy Central's Chamberlain Hights, that show bombed and we never heard from it again. Just because the second season was greenlighted doesn't garentee another season
@alfredinchcock something must be good before someone could ruin it. Many people remember the original she ra, but very few were actually like the original. The gay stuff is there because their demographics are tumblr snowflakes.
alfredinchcock if you genuinely feel alienated bc some characters in a fictional children’s cartoon like the same gender how are you even existing. Like actual question here, how is something so minuscule in a children’s cartoon aimed mostly at young girls something that makes you feel so alienated you need to complain?
@@Sapphachi It's a combination of your usual "I don't like it because it's different", with some actual creeps that are mad that they didn't give a bunch of young teenage girls cleavage for them to jerk off to. They typically disguise this very creepy reason by complaining that they "look like guys now"
@@Sapphachi My only real design complaint is She-Ra herself. She actually looks pretty well-designed for the most part, but whenever the actual She-Ra costume comes out, the character looks like a 13 year old boy in a dress. I actually really like the other redesigns- especially Catra, who no longer looks like a half-drowned rat. Edit: I think this specifically might have something to do with the changes in how the her hair frames her face when the She-Ra costume is on. Curious to hear other opinions on the matter.
@@evansageser6943 2018 She-ra literally looks like a boy in drag. It's obvious if you get rid of the giant hair. twitter.com/Daddy_Warpig/status/1019230208145047552 The show was made by a boyish lesbian who made most of the characters look like lesbians.
@@Lupostehgreat actually we had to wait 5 years for the 2003 tmnt show since the old show lasted from 1987 until 1996 and three years for the 2012 nick show I think even new comers can wait a few years but yeah it's crazy how we once had to wait a long time to get a new series of the ninja turtles after next mutation in 1997 and then the franchise went underground
@@Debenex No thank you. It's not my job to develop an interest in bad shows/shows I don't like. I've saved a lot of precious time by dropping shows I knew I was going to like or found boring. You should do the same.
@@alucardtepes8402 I mean… Don’t force yourself to watch something you’re not interested in but 5 minutes is barely enough to properly judge a show, let alone a show with 5 seasons. It almost feels like you went into it with a self-fulfilling attitude without actually giving it a proper chance. You can’t say it’s “bad” when you literally only watched 5 minutes of it. I’m not saying you *have* to like it but you can’t just rag on something you’ve barely watched. It just feels like you’re letting your own preexisting biases cloud your judgment. For example, I used to hate the anime Black Clover. I only watched the first two episodes and then tried reading the manga. But I just couldn’t get into it. So I left it be for years until last year when I finally gave it a proper chance. I ended up really loving it. Instead of actively looking for a reason to hate something, try to watch with a neutral mindset and draw your own conclusions then. You may end up liking something you didn’t anticipate liking.
@@theluigifan1I watched the whole series as a kid and was kinda bored and confused the whole time. Then I got to the finale after a million years and found out that the show was gay. I was way too innocent to confirm that because I thought they were fallen sisters the whole time, made my dude brain twisted for a month
I think the reason I didn't care for She-Ra was a combination of not being in the target demographic and being burnt out on reboots in general. A small chunk of my soul withers and dies every time I hear about a new TMNT, Transformers, He-Man, Star Wars, etc etc... Give us something fresh! Please?
If something has a large fan base, then someone is going to market the shit out of it. Except Animal Crossing most of the time for some reason. I feel that has one of the friendliest fan bases I've seen in recent times.
There's tons of fresh stuff, really. But people make bigger deals about things they already know about. Sequels typically generate more hype than new storylines, even though they're usually not too good. I would like to see more original stuff being shown...
Yeah you're totally allowed to not like a thing. It's just the assholes who hate this for shitty reasons are taking up a lot of oxygen so you get lumped in to that.
Yeah, if it was a new show with the same elements I'd be hyped for it but even reboots of a show I wasn't alive for are boring to me. I want modern ideals and values put into a new creation to define our time not just retelling an old story with a modern art style. Although, ill have to admit that breathing life into a bland franchise used to excite me now it's just too overdone. Wish people would see that :/.
Yeah, it's from the short, "The Bulleteers" (1942). I just thought it would make more sense to say if it was a toonami reference rather than to say if it was a reference to a line from one of the 1940's Superman cartoons.
"Summer Camp Island" is kids first acid trip, and it is wonderful. At first, I was not a fan, but once the plot kicks in, it is pretty neat. Sort of along the lines of Adventure Time, and its first season. Dunno if it will get a second season, but with Adventure Time done, who knows? I have a bit of confidence that it could turn into something with time.
@@that-queer-fnaf-theoristI know you want something more to life so stop substituting that empty void in your heart with women kissing. Get a life, make some friends, help people, be somebody
Gotta say, really enjoyed She-Ra. The animation wasn't perfect and some of the humour didn't land, but I loved the characters and the main plot and I adored how colourful and vibrant the show was, it was so nice to look at
Also don’t get this whole “forced diversity!!” and “SJW pandering!!1!” thing ppl always say today. Remember the Captain Planet, Magic School Bus, Recess, KND, Class Of 3000 squads? (Even Rugrats in its later seasons) Plenty of cartoons had characters of all races, body types, etc then so I don’t see why it’s suddenly worth complaining abt nowadays. And like Pan said in the vid, the main reason a lot of older characters had the same body types was for action figures. Sorry current cartoonists want their characters to be more distinct. “b-but it makes no sense for an overweight person to be-“ Did y’all see Goku and Sailor Moon eat enough for a party of 50 and not gain a pound? It’s fictional, who cares EDIT: ok first off, peeps don’t seem to be reading my entire comment. Second, I guess the point I’m making is that the animation industry (and entertainment in general) is going to keep advancing, changing and going through various trends as time goes on and media becomes more inclusive. I really don’t think there’s any “corporate” reason behind stuff like this. It’s more diverse bc the field is becoming more diverse. And even if it is corporate, I don’t see how that’s any different from “we gotta have straight white men be the protags bc of course we do”. I’m not even a person big on “ooh someone like me is in this thing!! The media acknowledged my existence! *YAYYY REPRESENTATION*”, but seriously, chill out. Maybe direct your hatred towards something actually negative
People mocked Captain Planet for doing it constantly, and comparing the five which are ALL modern day in a similar Earth, to a fantasy where almost all high level tech is militarized is super dumb. It's like trying to defend Batman v Superman by saying "but look at Dredd being ultra gritty!" No shit, it's a DYSTOPIAN SATIRE.
I think the difference is that diversity in most shows are generally well written. I want more diversity in shows, but if the characters have less personality than cardboard, I'm really not interested, because it makes non-white minorities like me look very bland.
The reason I have a problem with force diversity is when it is not like other older shows or feels kind of off. Because there are times when they make a show to push diversity, which is not a bad thing, but it has to be done in a way that feels normal. Not oh look he is the black guy or hey look at these two gay characters. It has be done so that you the veiwer can think like oh cool characters that i can relate to and not characters made because oh you your black you should like this show. Coming from me one show that I could relate to growing up was the proud family, because of how they didn't make the characters stereotypical and how they handle certain issues that the black community faces. Hell even with Adventure time i could relate to Finn because he was going through teenage problems, that i kind of went through and he wasn't even my race. Another thing to add is how sometimes they hire people for only their race and gender and in my opinion they should only hire people if they have the skill.
@brushfyr Corporate decisions to appeal to what they think people want by pandering to certain groups (ie. the piss poor Ghostbusters reboot, which would've sucked no matter who the new cast was imo.) isn't exactly a thing caused by the "evil SJWs" as much as shit marketing decisions. Like, nobody was happy when Evangeline Lilly got shoehorned into the Hobbit films even though it added "diversity" because it was an obviously pandering addition that made no sense. The different body types in the She-Ra reboot actually suit the character roles and makes them easier to identify in silhouette, an important element to character design. I think people are getting offended over nothing and missing the irony of it.
The only problem with she-ra was a lack of a co-insiding he-man reboot, think sbout how awesome it would have been if he-man had the same number of episodes as she-ra with a crossover movie between seasons
I will say that they did kind of leave it open for a possible He-man cross-over in the future if the rights are ever reacquired. They basically state that Etheria got ported over to some other dimension from where Eternia is. Which in turn implies that they may one day be able to return it to its proper dimension. (if and when Matel realizes what a boat-load of money they can make off of he-man toys again if they coordinate with Dreamworks and Netflix on this.)
@@Chloe-rh3lq Kind of curious how they would update him. Like it's a little hard to deny that his outfit is pretty dated by modern standards. Plus if they were going to keep to the canon of having him be Adora's sibling, it would be more than a little strange to see a teenage boy strutting around in a loincloth. (I mean he and Adora were teenagers in the original as well, but they basically just ignored that by designing them to look like adults instead. The she-ra reboot obviously decided to have her look like a teenager instead, and updated her outfit to match, so it would follow that they would have to change he-man's look as well. That being said, He-man's look is pretty iconic, I don't envy whoever ends up with the job of trying to come up with an design for it if it comes to that.
I love that the characters in the She-Ra reboot have distinct body types, it has a more realistic feel and I wish more character designers would do stuff like this, even if it is seen as "pandering to SJWs" or whatever. In real life, some women are slim, others chunky or muscular. Some have large or small breasts. Some even look somewhat masculine, even if they aren't trans. Some ladies love makeup and fashion, others don't really give a shit. They have different skin tones and hairstyles and personalities. The people who deny any of these points show that they don't really know much about women, since they can look just as varied as men and can be just as engaging in personality, as opposed to the hourglass figures and pretty faces you usually see in media. I haven't seen the show yet so idk about how good it is, but I adore the creators for including unique character designs.
My favorite is people complaining about the She-Ra design for not looking like a teenage girl. She-Ra is some kind of superpowered warrior mode, she's not supposed to look like a normal teen girl, lol.
Same here. I've never understood how simply depicting various body types is "pandering to SJWs." People of all shapes and sizes EXIST in real life, they don't all look like Barbie dolls, so why have people made this into some political issue? It's actually kinda weirder to NOT show different body types in a cartoon, especially since it can add a lot of visual interest to a character when they look more distinct, so I've never followed that logic.
@@wulfulk1000 Not really. Magic users wouldn't need physical strength, since they have powers that can do work for them (as pan explained in the video). Some people just have naturally stocky builds, too. And hell, even people who are fat could be strong warriors. Remember that fat and muscle are different, but both contribute to build and weight. One person can be BOTH fat and muscular at the same time (see: Cheryl Haworth below). This article in particular is one of my favorites for showing varying body types (for both men and women), especially those for characters that are stronger such as warriors, adventurers, etc. www.boredpanda.com/athlete-body-types-comparison-howard-schatz/
My opinion on all these reboots that antagonize the fanbases is simple. Don't insult them for not liking what you did with the show. You don't have to cater to them, you don't even have to listen to or care about them, just don't insult them, cause then you get these massive backlashes. I mean, you might get one anyway, but insulting them makes it worse. The best thing you can do is just respond "We understand and are listening to your feedback in order to make our show better." Don't have to mean it, you can just lie to them with that statement, but do not OPENLY INSULT THEM ON SOCIAL MEDIA where everyone can see and in turn might heavily negatively influence your profits. Looking at you Ninja Theory coughDmCcough. Business 101, never insult customers or potential customers.
Thing is, people see through that business talk bullshit and if you say you understand and are making changes for the people supporting you, but then don't, you are not being nice. You are a liar. All that shit does is pacify people for a while. The only thing that will satisfy people in the long-term is a product well made and people will only accept kind words for so long. Complain and rage at the customers, but 99.99999% only will see the show. They will not see the complaining. They just see the show. If the show is shit and you are nice, you are nice with a shit show. If you are an asshole, but asshole, but make a good show, you have a good show. Just look at one of the most horrible people in the industry, John K, to see how that works. Ren and Stimpy is a classic still talked about to this day. Only .0001% of people know about the bullshit behind the scenes. People only care about the show.
Honestly I liked the new she ra, solid 8/10. The show isn’t perfect and there’s lots of things that can be improved upon but ultimately the characters are fun and dynamic with lots of personality, and overall the good out weighs the bad.
I tend to agree. What I try to remember is that the first season of a show is rarely amazing. ST:TNG, the Doctor Who reboot, MLP:FIM, none of their first seasons were all that great, in large part because of how much time was necessary to introduce the audience to the characters as opposed to telling good stories. Season 2 is when the magic happens.
Hmm I will point out one very minor flaw there, a nerdy nitpick if you will. Dr Who has never actually been 'rebooted', it's all the same time line baby, from the original 1960s series all the way up to the modern one. Most fans refer to it as a Revival rather than a Reboot. Even the gap between the Paul Mcgann movie and the Christopher Eccleston series is actually filled in with Big Finish Audio books basically acting like season with its own continuity and Companions that lead into Series 1 of 'new' Dr Who.
One word, Pan-Pizza.......... H I L D A . Aside from Final Space, it's literally the best thing that has ever came out in 2018 and almost nothing else from both this year and years past compares to all it's awesomeness in what it has to offer for both pure entertainment and a very engaging storyline that really hits home to the heart. Please check it out whenever you get the chance to do so.
Yeah, I really love that show a lot. It's another one of those exciting-filled cartoons that really speaks to me on a emotional level, for a lack of a better term.
Its good and enjoyable, but Hilda acts waaay too mature for her age, even by shows aimed at kids and teenage standarts, it makes her feel unautentic, as if she was suposed to be and adult but the creator made child because thats more appealing to the mses. So it comes of as mary sueish
ThePolishArtist More importantly, it's the first adult cartoon in a VERY long time that actually feels like it wants to be animated, and opts for a different direction than satirical humor. I legit think it could be the savior of adult animation as we know it.
The real reason why the original She-Ra and He-Man fans are complaining about the reboot is because the creators of the reboot went out of their way to bash and badmouth the original fans.
14:30 Reminds me of X-Men TAS (1992-1997) versus X-Men: Evolution (2001-2003). In TAS they were all buff adults with abs and biceps, but in Evolution they were slim but athletic teens.
But paaaaaaaan Rise of the TMNT has the CalArts style, paaaaaaaaaan if it's not hyper realistic and perfectly proportioned its cal arts style, it has bright colors so its cal arts style paaaaaaaaan
if anything Big City Greens has the “cal arts style” which I don’t really agree the the term but apparently it’s anything with a thin outline and simple shapes
@@icecreamhero2375 youre correct. okay then just the thin outline i suppose. i dont even believe in the claim im just explaining what people define it as
4:10 As Sir Jonathan Jafari once said when they looked a poorly received piece of animation, "Bad touchy! Bad touchy! Stranger danger, stranger danger!"
Nice to see someone put the she-ra "controversy" in a light it deserved, same thing, different show, as it'll always be one generation complaining the next is "bad" or whatever for differences rather than the quality of said thing regardless of the differences If she-ra gets a good season 2 it probably will be a show people fondly remember, cus the first show definitely wasn't one people cared about.
Exactly, I'm an old Shera fan and no one ever talked about her until this reboot was created and I'm here like tf most didn't even knkw what Shera was or saw the original. An as a fan I admit the original lacked a lot of things, had many plot holes and the story never progressed the new one has it flaws but it's still good compared to 80 percent in bad cartoons that are on air right now
I can't speak on the quality of the original other than the (imo) rather silly 80s toy designs, but I know the guy behind this and he-man and other shows was a really good guy, and I doubt he'd be very upset over this reboot
Don’t really get the She Ra outrage maybe that’s because I have no nostalgic connection to She-Ra or He-man and I was never a fan of the Filmation stuff
It's basically shit flingers flinging shit and people taking advantage of the shit flinging to fling their own shit There's so much shit flinging that no matter how the show is it's gonna be covered in shit one way or another
Because internet nerds are so used to being catered to that they throw a shitfest whenever something comes out that is connected to something nostalgic with changes made to target modern youth (especially if those youth are women or from minority groups).
Well it started as people not liking the new art style and being upset with another reboot. You know like with every new reboot. Than moved to outright blind hate when "sjws" started to defend the show by calling everyone who didn't like it perverts and pedophiles with no life.
its either that the re-boot is putting gay messages down our throats that we dont even need or she-ra looks like a femboy. in my opinion the show turns me off not bc of she-ra wich i really liked that character but the cat lady and other characters that represent gay shit or sjw that keep shoving down our throats.
@@paraclonebasedtrooper8225 You do realize that both He-man and She-ra have been beloved figures of the lgbtq community since they first aired in the 80's right? If anything, they're just being more honest about themselves now. Like you can dislike the show if you want, but don't go around pretending that He-man and She-ra were ever not gay af.
I agree with Pan’s general assessment on the new She-Ra. The first few episodes are a little awkwardly paced, and I think the fact that they needed to tie it to the original series (which I have very little familiarity with beyond a couple of robot chicken sketches) made for a little weirdness (really Adora? You think that a woman named “Shadow Weaver” and a group ruling a place called the “Fright Zone” May not actually be the good guys like they were claiming?) But by the second half they’ve found their stride with the character dynamics and it’s quite enjoyable. Not quite Avatar level, but I’d actually compare it favorably to Voltron. Minor complaint is that it seems like the villains have all the best characters at this point, especially Catra and her main minions.
I couldn't agree more with this. I suspect part of it is that the heroes spent so much time meeting new characters, whereas the villains kept to a smaller cast that were allowed to show more facets of their personalities. Hopefully a little time will correct this balance.
People hating that new she-ra show because is based off a 1985 toy show and they changed it a lot to appeal new generation... Yeah! Thats the fcking point of a reboot, to adapt to current trends an old loved show (even tho i never knew he-man had a sister with a show too) and what better time to reboot it, after 33 fcking years passed, of course things would have changed
But seriously i didnt even know there was a knock off he-man, i been seing she-ra for a couple of days on my feeds but i never would've guessed it was a reboot of a 33 y/o knock off of he-man
Yup. You want a real laugh? They made a crossover Christmas special, and it's about as dated as you'd expect. It's hilariously bad, in a Santa Claus Conquers the Martians kinda way.
I hate it because the people behind it are actually disrespectful to the original franchise, basically making it their fanfiction, admittedly shipping the characters just cause, and the very transparent attempt to be as gay as possible. It's a very shallow reboot. And I'm not even a fan of the original She-Ra.
劉木 That’s why it’s a reboot and not a continuation of the original show. That’s like being mad at the James Bond series or Disney films for making big changes (or in plenty of cases downright tossing the original story aside for a new one).
I haven't seen any hate. 'cept for Spook Dook who replied to this. Oh yeah. all that stuff before it aired. but haven't seen any where i normally watch it.
oof, gl on getting those art pan. half a year isn't bad but you should try to in touch with them. this happened to me a few times, it sucks when you learn they just forgot and won't finish it because their busy with other commission and no refuses :x
i only knew a bit about the classic, and i watched the reboot. the reboot is its own thing entirely. it's honestly brilliant. incredibly well written, paced, superbly voice acted and has great animation
@@gsomslayer eh the animation is okay, but it seems like it was just a story for Noelle. It doesn’t seem they actually knew anything about She Ra from the 80’s and it’s disappointing to see that them and the fans literally crap on the og
It seems like part of it was a matter of timing. The He-Man license was already picked up by another company intending to make a movie that didn't actually happen. Now that the license is available again, we'll just have to see what the company decides on.
Hey, I loved Summer Camp Island! I felt like it was just the right amount of weird to stand out. The art style felt more chill and not overly bouncy, and I loved how desaturated the colors were. The characters and humor was just right!
That's how I feel about a lot of Netflix cartoons. There's tons of great stuff to watch and discuss, but all anyone wants to talk about are She-Ra, Voltron, or Castlevania.
Wow. New aesthetic, background, pacin', editin', direction' and more tremendously wonderfully spot on details of a video. This is not a belittlin' thing, I swear, I adore this an Amiibos! Stupendously incredible Amiibos. ^w^ (The auto correctin' functionality on either' me Laptop or Mobile Phone keep "correcting" "Amiibos" to "Amigos" since Nintendo's interactive nearly one 'undred percent on screen accurate, in terms of sculpt, paint and proportions, figures aren't part of the Australian English library of words yet)
Pretty sure most people hated Thundercats Roar for not being a continuation of the cancelled Thundercats 2011 series and instead being another cutesy comedy show animated in Cal-arts.
I've never watched either She-Ra, so little opinion there. I just despise a mystical warrior outfit that includes bicycle shorts, lol. Like get a gladiator skirt or chainmail or pants or somethin'.
@@keavinmurcia7026 I haven't watched it already. Glad others are having fun with it. But it is tricky to enjoy an animation one doesn't like the look of. I feel I can live without it. Thanks tho.
@AT Productions Oh I'm all for laxing on some realism, but the bike shorts are just sort of ugly. :/ There is a reason Wonder woman is put in pants before trying those. Some sort of stockings or full length leggings would look better I'd say.
All these people getting upset over She-Ra is kind of hilarious but also super disheartening. Is it the greatest show around? Not really. Probably a solid 3/5. Like, the true definition of average. But holy shit, the reasons people are finding to get mad about it. Especially with anything related to body types or how it's 'promoting sjw ideals'. Honestly, I'm pretty sure most of the people saying it is horrible are just mad about it being more inclusive than they want it to be and are choosing to hide behind the actual flaws of the show and pretend like it is horrible trash to validify their opinion. Basically, treating a 3/5 like it's a 1/5 because it promotes something you're buttmad about.
@@FinalFantasyIXIIII Yeah, it's okay that the gays and trans exist but they have to stay in the background meaning not front and center so they don't overwhelm the media? Like what?
@@FinalFantasyIXIIII "its bad for one group to overwelm the media" You mean like cis, hetero, and white people have been doing for the past... forever, since the invention of television?
@@FinalFantasyIXIIII A couple of diverse shows is hardly pushing straight cis white dudes in a media minority. Hell, women make up half the population but most shows and movies outside of romance still have male leads. What would you say is the appropriate balance?
Is it just me or are most of these cartoons look similar in terms of the color style and the thin lines?and it looks like there are a lot of anime related animation inspiration
A lot of current cartoonists and animators grew up with anime. There’s a reason She-Ra, Teen Titans, Thundercats and even the DC animated shows take a lot from that: the people working on it are applying stuff they learned and saw from anime.
I really liked _Summer Camp Island._ It was kinda cute and the weird stuff was quirky and silly and appealed to my autistic ass. I watched it while my aunt from New York was visiting her timeshare. My mom had seen a few pieces of it while I was watching it but she called me stupid because of how it looks. It infuriates me whenever my mom immediately judges a book by its cover without at least listening to the jokes. I even tried to show that the cartoons were really pushing a "progressive agenda" (take that with a grain of salt) such as those two goth girls from _Craig of the Creek_ as well as that one episode from _Summer Camp Island_ where this one little ghost had two dads. I just really liked Susie the most from _Summer Camp Island_ because she kinda reminded me of Helga Petaki from _Hey Arnold!_ except instead of being hostile to one person she adores, she was being hostile to pretty much everyone while wanting acceptance. I also liked the Oscar-Hedgehog dynamic because I honestly do not remember seeing two main leads of opposite gender being like genuine platonic friends --no (initial) romantic motivation, it was a sibling-like bond and it was really cute. Looking back, I did not know about their ages so yeah, their voices did *NOT* sound like 14 year-olds; they should've been aged to around 9 or 10 while the counselors were at least 14 to 16 in a sense that it's more like they're babysitters who call themselve camp counselors to sound more "dignified." Personal favorite episode was the one with the monsters confronting their "traditional" grandmother. Really loved that stupid/silly ending with "she turned Oscar into cookies!" where even Oscar was a bit too creeped out to eat cookies with his face on them. I feel like the show had a good run and aired at an appropriate time: summer
So having that said it's not that far of a stretch for having them act this way. And I still kind of act this way with my friends and we're in high school.
The reason I don't like the new She-Ra is mostly the art style. Everyone looks the same and has the same face. I can't tell anyone apart. There's little to no depth in the art from the clips I've seen as well.
I agree, the concept artists have same face syndrome, but everyone doesn't look the same otherwise. Ngl i like the style. Its not "muh cal arts" but not original She-ra.
The quality in your videos are only getting better and better, man. That slick new intro is awesome looking, and a lot of the jokes in this video landed really well, you’re doing a great job, pizza man!!
Our boi, Pan, is back with another mini-review pack of modern toons. To sum up my thoughts: -Have yet to see Summer Camp Island -Big Hero 6 series... isn't grabbing me as much as it is for you... for some reason, despite really liking the movie. -Rise of the Turtles has pretty decent wacky antics with our shell-backed product icons. -The new She-Ra I just started watching and has a decent start so far. -Big City Greens is great and highly underrated! Other shows you could've also covered for these types of videos: Harvey Street Kids Craig of the Creek Disenchantment Hilda (not only my fave show on Netflix, but probably the best cartoon in 2018 in general!) All in all, nice vid as usual!
She-ra and Rise of the Ninja Turtles are shows that I'm gonna enjoy watching, while ignoring the blind hate over the whole "reboots are automatically bad" thoughts that a lot of people have nowadays
Eh, the new She Ra is only in it for the diversity and shipping between gay characters. Why I say this? Because it's mainly the only thing people who actually like the show talks about. Then they would get a hissy fit if talk anything negative about it. Making up stuff like "Eh, it's only for kids, and not every girl is supposed to get you a boner." I'm like WTF are yall even on? Adventure Time, Steven Universe and Star vs the Forces of Evil does a better job. People actually talk about the story too and not just the shipping.
Sorry that's been your experience. Let me rectify that in some small way. In addition to the shipping, I'm looking forward to the consequences of Entrapta's heel-turn and finding out why the previous She-Ra "betrayed" her calling. In addition, I'm curious whether my hunch about Scorpia's true allegiances is correct. If you'd like to share your complaints about the show, feel free. While I enjoy it, I won't argue the fact that I see a few that bug me.
I'm actually interested in where the story is going. I want to hear more about the world they live in, hear more about the past She-ra and maybe learn more about the origin or this world and She-ra role, see what other kind of princesses exist (i admit i find the powers pretty cool, its reminiscent of the 1st time i watched Sailor Moon as a kid), and these characters
The funny thing about the original She-Ra was that she was made for girls by women. She was created to compete with Barbie, and the executives wanted her to look more modelish because they thought that’s what girls only liked. The creatures fought this sexism and won. So when these NPC start spouting their nonsense, I just like to remind them that they did nothing to earn this. They are just working off stuff that came before.
i would love to see pan do a video for the full series of rise of the tmnt! i just finished it today on netflix and i think it is my favourite turtles series to date! but to be fair a lot of the episodes feel like filler, but i’d argue the character interactions make up for it! the show drives deep into emotional stories in season 2 and really gets you to feel with the characters. master splinter is fleshed out as a faliure in his own right, never having learned the ways of his clan, and i really like that direction with the character. the series is bold and action packed and god omg i just love it so much!!
Three comments in one 1) your views of Rise of the TMNT sound a lot like Nostalgia Critic except more enthusiastic 2) good God I did not know Shrek was based off a book 3) something about the new She-Ra cartoon design still bugs me, I'm not sure what, it's not cuz of the differing body types, maybe it's the hairstyles? something about that hairpiece over Adora's forehead does irk me, IDK
My prob with She-ra is the subtle "future is female" stuff floating around. This even spreads to the designs of some of the males in the show, giving them more "feminine" proportions and for that one dude... Midriff? Why Midriff? ((Also side note they gave us a character that's chubby and blows air think about that for one second))
@Tesla-Effect One of the actors from the original series said that at the time, Filmation Studios was one of the gayest places in town. All of the gay stuff people laugh at from the original shows? Those were totally intentional.
Julia Pott was also the voice of future Emily from Don Hertzfeldt's film World of Tomorrow, which I only brought up because wheeennnn are you gonna review Don Hertzfeldt's moviessss? I fucking loved World of Tomorrow and It's Such a Beautiful Day, and none of the big cartoon reviewers I watch have talked about them. I'd enter the raffle thingy that Pan does but I'm poor af.
My word about the new She-ra, the reason adults complain about a kids series is because they expected a kids show to be good for kids that they can let their kids watch. The creator claims she is trying to make the show anime-styled in terms characters, genre, or both. Let me say this, NOT EVERY anime have anatomically correct proportionate bodies. Even 80s American cartoons had something like that before foreign animation became noticeable, though barely animated. Doraemon and Maruko-chan looks different than most anime, but at least the characters look like people and had fluent movement. Viewers are concerned the reboot is trying to appeal LGBTs and SJWs.
Timestamps For Your Convenience 00:00 Intro 1:29 Summer Camp Island (Cartoon Network) 5:01 Big Hero 6: The Series (Disney XD) 7:42 Rise of the TMNT (Nickelodeon) 10:24 She-Ra And The Princesses of Power (2018) (Netflix) 15:43 Big City Greens (Disney Channel)
Critique for the new She-Ra cartoon. Being someone from the 90's I grew up with a lot of cartoons from the 80's. But I've never had much passion / interest in She-Ra, so I have no nostalgic attachment to the original, so I can be as extensive as possible in my review. But I give credit where it is due, and this will not make the mark any favor other than serve as a warning to the next creator who dares to reflect his own version of the program and for all creators on the dangers of trying to appeal to the superficial concepts of people like the so-called warriors of social justice who want to alienate the majority of humanity that lives today instead of worrying about the quality of their design and whether or not it is interesting is stimulating. This show is more about satisfying the personal desires of its creator using the classic character as a platform (hi Noelle Stevenson), and this is very shameful and myopic for several reasons. The main heroine with a design and a personality like Adora is not bad, but the drawings of her alter ego leave nothing to the imagination, and honestly it is quite dull and masculine even (She-Ra). The original was a young woman who turned into a beautiful Amazonian heroine, while this new She-Ra transforms from a teenage into a bigger teenager, who looks like a giant dwarf with a lion wig. The fact is that Adora is apparently more pleasant (well-designed) than the part of her that supposedly makes her a heroine (She-Ra). In addition, it seems to fix much more the underlying lesbian attraction of the creator of this cartoon (Noelle Stevenson) that is created between Adora and Felina (Catra) making it appear that it is practically everything that the creator wanted was to approach a lesbian adolescent romance. Is it about saving the world or keeping us in suspense how long will it take until these two resolve to come out of the closet and get it over with? With this and other LGBTQ nuances, it is difficult to define who the target audience is, and in each episode the protagonists really are children. But who is the target of the drawing? Are they even the little kids ?, Are the most liberal old fans ?. It is strange that while they say that history has its foot on the ground and a certain magical realism, and everyone is at war, but the teenage villains do not seem so evil, and the heroes act as if they are having a date or going for a walk things got serious. The character Entrapta was originally a villain in the old program, but here she started now as a princess and spontaneous friend who changing sides with a poor lie and scientific interests (this is strange and lazy). Do not mention designs that are too disproportionate in almost all characters that are not Adora and Feline (Catra). Shimmering left the heroine with personality to be equal to She-Ra in reliability to suddenly be a short, fat brat who prides herself on disappearing. The Archer looks like the guy who's only there to be the comic relief, whatever. The shape of the faces of the other girls is very similar to dolls, but many do not match physically with the parts of their bodies. Another thing, think is if Ventania (She-Ra's horse) had little screen time when he was with She-Ra (Adora) every step of the way in the old drawing as He-Man and the Warrior Cat. Perhaps this could have distracted the public from its new and terrible design if she mounted her flying horse longer than she remained like a giant dwarf with a blonde wig. This new She-Ra design has the Korra Legend style mixed with Steven Universe. The former relied on terrifying stories and character development, but it does away with the popularity of its predecessor (Legend of Anng). In conclusion, this new cartoon from the new She-Ra is another themed experiment to test if society is already liberal enough to have a LGBTQ heroine as the protagonist of a good show. The animation has more flaws than the script, the shading and the colors were not very good, they need to improve this, and the design did not please me anything, it draws life if in 1980 they had the ability to produce an animation with that quality was of if it was expected that this new one was at least the height, unfortunately this did not happen, the trait and very irregular in some scenes, it seems that it was done lazily, I kind of felt that at times it was copying SU. Maybe you have a small chance of getting a second and third season, but that's all. Otherwise, with all that is established, there is no chance that this new She-Ra can go as far as or be as significant as the new "Voltron." This program (She-Ra) could give lessons on how not to adapt a classic franchise that cross generations. This design is more of a joke in bad taste than a franchise restart.
If I were in charge of rebooting a classic, I'll do my damn best to: Study the source material, not just watching it, saying that it looks corny and call it a day, I meant REALLY looking into it, what each episode meant and seeing what kind of things they we're teaching kids back then (a lot of people point out how these shows were only made to sell toys, but no one points out how many episodes have PSAs at the end, explaining what the episode was about just so the kid's parents won't get angry or something) Take elements from the original that works, and amp them to 11 Make an overall upgrade to their designs And make a genuine storyline with character growth and all that jazz Details like "so and so is this skin color or likes the same gender" should be the last things to think about. Character's personalities comes first (I like to use the, "just so happens to be" element on making characters. Gives me more room to flesh them out on what should be the MAIN selling point for said character, and not go all Dragon age Dev on the audience) Oh and if I end up getting backlash on anything, I'm not gonna resort to labeling them of being things they are not, and bash the original show.
@@the-NITRON Oh, yes definitely. With how the show delved into themes of responsibility, purpose and identity. Especially tackling the subject of proving one's self worth to yourself and others. And what it could mean. Which its audience could relate to and learn from much like the PSA's of old.
Very well said. I think that's drew me into the 2012 TMNT. It was a series made by a fan who had studied the franchise his whole life, and wasn't afraid to both update it and correct problems from the original while simultaneously showing love and respect for the franchise. It's the best case scenario for creating a reboot.
There’s something about the aesthetic of your channel that is so nostalgic it literally makes me feel like I’m 7 again watching toonami on adult swim love it
My buddy Keith lived in a graveyard once for a whole year. It wasn't a dare or nothin', he just got kicked out of his house. He said he NEVER saw a single ghost 'cept for this one time when a ghost stabbed him from behind and took all his money, and he might've just been a homeless guy, 'cause he had a robe on with two eyes cut out his face.
Summer Camp Island was worth watching for all the strange random scenes. I think it's not something you should binge watch, but put on when there's nothing else to watch.
Honestly, the new She-Ra is quite enjoyable. Most of the characters are just okay to me. The only character I am really invested in is Catra and her relationship with Adora. That's some fucking tasty shit right there I think the biggest issue I have is the continuity. Like, as an example, in one episode there's a set of stairs leading up to Glimmer's bed, and the next they suddenly vanish just for them to do a gag? Things like that are all over the series and it always seems like a lazy oversight. It really drags the show down for me, and I hope they fix this issue. Also, I like the new body types and think they make a lot of sense, except that sometimes they shove them in our faces (outside of the show that is). They show off how 'diverse' it is and it just tastes bad on my tongue. I like the new designs, but you shouldn't be putting them on a pedestool for the sake of representation.
80s: Toy Marketers ruin everything 90s: Edgy Artists ruin everything 00s: Anime Weeaboos ruin everything 10s: CalArts and Reboots ruin everything I wonder what the new 20s have in store thats gonna get everyone riled up
I think calling Summer Camp Island "sensory overload" and an "acid trip" is not entirely correct, I personally think there are many episodes where there is an appreciation for stillness and peace. I think the episode playing while you were describing the show as sensory overload did indeed perpetrate your point, but there are other episodes which are not as wild and chaotic as the first episode. I don't know if I'm reading into this too hard but I feel like the show gets more serene and ordered as you keep watching, like you're being accustomed to the wacky world along with the characters. Also the characters' ages were lowered to like 10 or 11 and I feel like the show managed to capture the child-like wonder and naivety that would embody children thrust into a world full of sentient objects, monsters and magic. I enjoyed this show a lot, but I don't fully agree with the criticism in this video, not all episodes are overloading acid trips.
9:33 I don't know what you're talking about. A lot of cartoon start episodic and never had a story based back then , a lot of cartoons were just filler to fosters home to billy and mandy to teen titans sometimes, hey arnold didn't get a story till a few seasons in, why do cartoons do that, then when a cartoon starts going to have a story it turns back episodic. I don't mind action shows super hero's, but when a show like adventure time and Steven universe does it its unacceptable, I wish that trend would stop
"Today's bullshit, tomorrow's nostalgia." That's the most accurate thing I've ever heard. Remember Wind Waker? or how everyone hated Beast Wars because it was different?
Beast Wars was amazing. Loved the episode Code of a Hero.
Beast Machines however was different story
I disagree , 90s and even 80s cartoons were way better... main shows down to the weird or the even unknown stuff....over all it was way better then any thing today . Nostalgia has 0 to do with it.
I still don’t understand why anyone ever hated Wind Waker. It was always a fantastic game.
I just realized... a decade from now, Bayformer fans are gonna be their generation what PT fans were to our's.
DEKUtheKID you are entitled to shit opinions.
"Comic relief characters that say 'Go me, it's your birthday.'"
That's the highlight of the 2000s right there.
I was worried at all the people upset at the She-Ra reboot but who apparently don't remember the He-Man reboot. Like, some people were unironically saying stuff like "What's next, they're going to reboot He-Man?"
I don't understand how such a show could be forgotten so easily. Episode 1: Skeletor gets his face melted off by acid.
Yeah it was a really cool reboot. I was watching the Netflix documentary, the Toys That Made Us. They mention the 2002 He-Man didn't do well for the vague reason of "It's something kids at the time didn't want." I'm thinking maybe it was an american action show about an adult in a time full of teen anime heroes.
@@RebelTaxi yet it still had more passion and respect for the source material of the original put into it than this new She-Ra reboot. Thundercats 2011 did the same thing before getting canceled. There are proper ways to do a reboot to appease the existing fanbase while trying to bring in a new audience. This She-Ra reboot fails at doing that and its marketing is partly to blame for this.
Had DreamWorks come out front and told everyone ahead of time that this reboot was going to be radically different from the start then there probably wouldn't have been as much backlash as what they did with waiting a few months before release to show case the Tumblr designs of the characters while deflecting criticism of the designs by calling the critics trolls and incels.
@@alecperdeau650 says the trolling incel
@@alecperdeau650 I don't get people using "tumblr" for a style or a design just because of a loud minority of sjws. You know that's not all there is on tumblr, right ?
Gi Joe Resolute from 2009 also was a great reboot of the original 80s cartoon. Too bad it only was 1 tv movie.
Gi Joe Renegades also did a great job rebooting the Joes for modern times.
Lmao oh god. I've been watching the new She-ra and they couldn't have made the ship teasing more blatant, especially in the Princess Ball episode where our main leads are practically treating each other like people who just found their ex dating someone else
I haven't seen the show, but this made me wanna watch it _just_ to ship them all to death.
The execution of the ships was horrible. They literally fixed every toxic or abusive thing with “oh I’m sorry adora I didn’t mean it 👉👈”
@@lasagnamafia while i ship the hell out the 2, that was my one gripe with last season. The redemptions of not 1, but 2 characters felt rushed and i feel that with more seasons they probably would've done more with it. Other than that i had so much fun
@@lasagnamafia I don’t think we watched the same show because the entirety of the season 4 finale disagrees
@@imaginekudryavka9485man you need to get control of your hormones
I wasnt gonna check out Big city greens but the "My MEGA anime torrent just finished downloading" part made me want to watch it.
I love how they mentioned "MEGA" as in 2015, people would use its old website to pirate movies on there.
Big City Greens is an excellent show but Disney doesn't advertise it very well, so eventually it's going to get the Wander Over Yonder treatment.
I never like when Disney tries a radically different art style than their classic style.
I haven't even heard of it, shows how much Disney cares about 2D animation
It was renewed for a second season before the first season started, so maybe there's a chance it'll get a third season.
@@AggieGal711 that happened to comedy Central's Chamberlain Hights, that show bombed and we never heard from it again. Just because the second season was greenlighted doesn't garentee another season
at least they didn't forget about it like milo murphys law they would rather show blonde idiot vs the forces of evil.
4:24 that's that one scene from Alf that Tourettes Guy was watching! "You're 93 years old and you don't know what Alf is? Piece of crap!"
I saw it during Tourettes Guy videos and had to find the ep to use it in the future. Which is now. That is the future.
That's not Micky mouse it's tit durt!
1980s: She-RA sucks!
2018: OMG guyz! they ruined She-RA!
accurate
@alfredinchcock something must be good before someone could ruin it. Many people remember the original she ra, but very few were actually like the original. The gay stuff is there because their demographics are tumblr snowflakes.
@alfredinchcock Honey, She-Ra has always been ruined since it premiered in the 80s so this reboot shouldn't really upset anyone!
@@MoloYou but you can always take something bad and make it worse
alfredinchcock if you genuinely feel alienated bc some characters in a fictional children’s cartoon like the same gender how are you even existing. Like actual question here, how is something so minuscule in a children’s cartoon aimed mostly at young girls something that makes you feel so alienated you need to complain?
It's unfair that TMNT gets rebooted every 5 years but Wild West C.O.W.-Boys of Moo Mesa has been left for dead in the 80s :(
Poppy Cheer up. At least Biker Mice From Mars had a reboot.
@@BigK13372
When's Street Sharks though?
btpbtpbtp Who cares! I’m still waiting on the return of the Extreme Dinosaurs.
I'm waiting for the second rap city street kids.
Oh my god, the arcade game to that show was amazing!
The new She-Ra is basically just made up of battle lesbians and I'm all for battle lesbians. The designs are pretty cool too.
@@Sapphachi It's a combination of your usual "I don't like it because it's different", with some actual creeps that are mad that they didn't give a bunch of young teenage girls cleavage for them to jerk off to. They typically disguise this very creepy reason by complaining that they "look like guys now"
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@@Sapphachi
My only real design complaint is She-Ra herself. She actually looks pretty well-designed for the most part, but whenever the actual She-Ra costume comes out, the character looks like a 13 year old boy in a dress.
I actually really like the other redesigns- especially Catra, who no longer looks like a half-drowned rat.
Edit: I think this specifically might have something to do with the changes in how the her hair frames her face when the She-Ra costume is on. Curious to hear other opinions on the matter.
I would prefer well written battle lesbians though.
@@evansageser6943 2018 She-ra literally looks like a boy in drag. It's obvious if you get rid of the giant hair. twitter.com/Daddy_Warpig/status/1019230208145047552 The show was made by a boyish lesbian who made most of the characters look like lesbians.
0:12 holy shit, Rebeltaxi has a new intro transition.
Breathtakingly clean
And everytime he plays that song, my soundcloud version of it gets more views.
Im amused.
What’s the music after it?
@@Lung__ wHats THe SOng
LOL it's true we don't need to reboot the tmnt every 5 seconds we can wait a few years for the next shit
The new kids who never heard of TMNT can't tho.
Remember when we went 10 years without a TMNT, during the 90's? We didn't have a Scooby Doo for most of them, either.
@@MiloKuroshiro the last series just ended they could rerun it like soongebob if they wanted. Playmates needs to sell their awful toys though
@@Lupostehgreat actually we had to wait 5 years for the 2003 tmnt show since the old show lasted from 1987 until 1996 and three years for the 2012 nick show I think even new comers can wait a few years but yeah it's crazy how we once had to wait a long time to get a new series of the ninja turtles after next mutation in 1997 and then the franchise went underground
@@Dracattack I Agree
I forgot the Bunnicula show existed
I only remember the books.
The same person who did Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy Animated it, it's actually pretty good!
It's good, but I don't think it lasted a season sadly
According to it's Wikipedia page, it lasted for 3 seasons/80 episodes. I've never watched it, but I saw a couple clips and they were chuckle-worthy.
i remember reading the books as a kid
"Today's bullshit, tomorrow's nostalgia" Yeah, I'll be using this quote from now on. Thanks, Pan!
You bring up some good points on She-Ra, props to you
It still looks awful. I watched less than 5 minutes before I dropped it.
@@alucardtepes8402 maybe give the first couple episodes a go before giving up, 5 minutes isn't enough for any series
@@Debenex No thank you. It's not my job to develop an interest in bad shows/shows I don't like. I've saved a lot of precious time by dropping shows I knew I was going to like or found boring. You should do the same.
@@alucardtepes8402 I mean… Don’t force yourself to watch something you’re not interested in but 5 minutes is barely enough to properly judge a show, let alone a show with 5 seasons. It almost feels like you went into it with a self-fulfilling attitude without actually giving it a proper chance. You can’t say it’s “bad” when you literally only watched 5 minutes of it. I’m not saying you *have* to like it but you can’t just rag on something you’ve barely watched. It just feels like you’re letting your own preexisting biases cloud your judgment.
For example, I used to hate the anime Black Clover. I only watched the first two episodes and then tried reading the manga. But I just couldn’t get into it. So I left it be for years until last year when I finally gave it a proper chance. I ended up really loving it. Instead of actively looking for a reason to hate something, try to watch with a neutral mindset and draw your own conclusions then. You may end up liking something you didn’t anticipate liking.
@@theluigifan1I watched the whole series as a kid and was kinda bored and confused the whole time. Then I got to the finale after a million years and found out that the show was gay. I was way too innocent to confirm that because I thought they were fallen sisters the whole time, made my dude brain twisted for a month
I think the reason I didn't care for She-Ra was a combination of not being in the target demographic and being burnt out on reboots in general. A small chunk of my soul withers and dies every time I hear about a new TMNT, Transformers, He-Man, Star Wars, etc etc... Give us something fresh! Please?
If something has a large fan base, then someone is going to market the shit out of it.
Except Animal Crossing most of the time for some reason. I feel that has one of the friendliest fan bases I've seen in recent times.
There's tons of fresh stuff, really. But people make bigger deals about things they already know about. Sequels typically generate more hype than new storylines, even though they're usually not too good. I would like to see more original stuff being shown...
Yeah you're totally allowed to not like a thing. It's just the assholes who hate this for shitty reasons are taking up a lot of oxygen so you get lumped in to that.
Yeah, if it was a new show with the same elements I'd be hyped for it but even reboots of a show I wasn't alive for are boring to me. I want modern ideals and values put into a new creation to define our time not just retelling an old story with a modern art style. Although, ill have to admit that breathing life into a bland franchise used to excite me now it's just too overdone. Wish people would see that :/.
Check out prisoner zero and thank me later
Pan is back with a new setup is juice and jam time
Cool oc mlp.
@@TriggerzConnors thanks
2:31, hol up, is that a Toonami reference?
My entire TH-cam career has been Toonami refrences
Welcome to Rebeltaxi
actually it's a reference to superman theatrical animated shorts that toonami played at some point & haven't stop using that quote ever since
@@RebelTaxi That should've been pretty obvious from your animated intros alone
Yeah, it's from the short, "The Bulleteers" (1942). I just thought it would make more sense to say if it was a toonami reference rather than to say if it was a reference to a line from one of the 1940's Superman cartoons.
Wait people hated the og teen titans when it first came out
Excuse me
WHAT!?
Exactly! The original Teen Titans (in my opinion) is so much better than Teen Titans Go. Teen Titans was amazing!
"Summer Camp Island" is kids first acid trip, and it is wonderful. At first, I was not a fan, but once the plot kicks in, it is pretty neat. Sort of along the lines of Adventure Time, and its first season. Dunno if it will get a second season, but with Adventure Time done, who knows? I have a bit of confidence that it could turn into something with time.
Fun Fact: Did you know that Summer Camp Island premiered the marathon of its first 20 episodes on Ringo Starr’s 78th birthday?
13:12 "The tiara get's stupidder the more I look at it"
Then what is that thing on your head called??
Morado Bear a... mask? To be honest I’m not even really sure what it is.
Morado Bear i love catra but that thing on her head IS stupid
In the og show, when she putted that on her face, she would into a feline. But I think in the new show they just use that as an ester egg
I'd like to think it's some kind of chef hat cause he's a pizza
headband thing!
I've never cared about She-Ra, but I kiinda wanna watch the reboot _just_ so I could ship it all. Ship it TO DEATH.
Its so good mah dood- the flirting and hints between characters and the representation are some of what i love about it
@@that-queer-fnaf-theoristI know you want something more to life so stop substituting that empty void in your heart with women kissing. Get a life, make some friends, help people, be somebody
@@slappyjo1046 ...well 3 years later- ngl i forgot abt this comment- thanks for reviving this cringe memory from covid ig-
Summer camp island is underrated it’s a really good show gives me adventure time vibe
Do you think this show should get a video game for PS4, Xbox one, and Switch?
Jon Mcintyre Summer camp island plays every summer and only summer
Ivan Torres and peepeepoopoo but the show is available on amazon prime, and is coming soon on HBO max.
Jon Mcintyre Came out in 2018 but came back in 2019
But still if summer camp island gets a video game adaptation, what should it be in the same vein as?
Gotta say, really enjoyed She-Ra. The animation wasn't perfect and some of the humour didn't land, but I loved the characters and the main plot and I adored how colourful and vibrant the show was, it was so nice to look at
Also don’t get this whole “forced diversity!!” and “SJW pandering!!1!” thing ppl always say today. Remember the Captain Planet, Magic School Bus, Recess, KND, Class Of 3000 squads? (Even Rugrats in its later seasons) Plenty of cartoons had characters of all races, body types, etc then so I don’t see why it’s suddenly worth complaining abt nowadays. And like Pan said in the vid, the main reason a lot of older characters had the same body types was for action figures. Sorry current cartoonists want their characters to be more distinct. “b-but it makes no sense for an overweight person to be-“ Did y’all see Goku and Sailor Moon eat enough for a party of 50 and not gain a pound? It’s fictional, who cares
EDIT: ok first off, peeps don’t seem to be reading my entire comment. Second, I guess the point I’m making is that the animation industry (and entertainment in general) is going to keep advancing, changing and going through various trends as time goes on and media becomes more inclusive. I really don’t think there’s any “corporate” reason behind stuff like this. It’s more diverse bc the field is becoming more diverse. And even if it is corporate, I don’t see how that’s any different from “we gotta have straight white men be the protags bc of course we do”. I’m not even a person big on “ooh someone like me is in this thing!! The media acknowledged my existence! *YAYYY REPRESENTATION*”, but seriously, chill out. Maybe direct your hatred towards something actually negative
Tia Blue to be fair, people do make fun of Captain Planet for the same reason and have for decades. It's shallow criticism but it's not new.
People mocked Captain Planet for doing it constantly, and comparing the five which are ALL modern day in a similar Earth, to a fantasy where almost all high level tech is militarized is super dumb.
It's like trying to defend Batman v Superman by saying "but look at Dredd being ultra gritty!" No shit, it's a DYSTOPIAN SATIRE.
I think the difference is that diversity in most shows are generally well written. I want more diversity in shows, but if the characters have less personality than cardboard, I'm really not interested, because it makes non-white minorities like me look very bland.
The reason I have a problem with force diversity is when it is not like other older shows or feels kind of off. Because there are times when they make a show to push diversity, which is not a bad thing, but it has to be done in a way that feels normal. Not oh look he is the black guy or hey look at these two gay characters. It has be done so that you the veiwer can think like oh cool characters that i can relate to and not characters made because oh you your black you should like this show. Coming from me one show that I could relate to growing up was the proud family, because of how they didn't make the characters stereotypical and how they handle certain issues that the black community faces. Hell even with Adventure time i could relate to Finn because he was going through teenage problems, that i kind of went through and he wasn't even my race. Another thing to add is how sometimes they hire people for only their race and gender and in my opinion they should only hire people if they have the skill.
@brushfyr Corporate decisions to appeal to what they think people want by pandering to certain groups (ie. the piss poor Ghostbusters reboot, which would've sucked no matter who the new cast was imo.) isn't exactly a thing caused by the "evil SJWs" as much as shit marketing decisions. Like, nobody was happy when Evangeline Lilly got shoehorned into the Hobbit films even though it added "diversity" because it was an obviously pandering addition that made no sense. The different body types in the She-Ra reboot actually suit the character roles and makes them easier to identify in silhouette, an important element to character design.
I think people are getting offended over nothing and missing the irony of it.
The only problem with she-ra was a lack of a co-insiding he-man reboot, think sbout how awesome it would have been if he-man had the same number of episodes as she-ra with a crossover movie between seasons
blame that on matel...they have he man
I think there were licensing issues that prevented He-Man from making an appearance.
I will say that they did kind of leave it open for a possible He-man cross-over in the future if the rights are ever reacquired. They basically state that Etheria got ported over to some other dimension from where Eternia is. Which in turn implies that they may one day be able to return it to its proper dimension. (if and when Matel realizes what a boat-load of money they can make off of he-man toys again if they coordinate with Dreamworks and Netflix on this.)
@@Chloe-rh3lq Kind of curious how they would update him.
Like it's a little hard to deny that his outfit is pretty dated by modern standards. Plus if they were going to keep to the canon of having him be Adora's sibling, it would be more than a little strange to see a teenage boy strutting around in a loincloth. (I mean he and Adora were teenagers in the original as well, but they basically just ignored that by designing them to look like adults instead. The she-ra reboot obviously decided to have her look like a teenager instead, and updated her outfit to match, so it would follow that they would have to change he-man's look as well.
That being said, He-man's look is pretty iconic, I don't envy whoever ends up with the job of trying to come up with an design for it if it comes to that.
Idk, I feel like a He-Man in the same universe as this new she-ra is just gonna be a scrawny little boy, and ALOT of people would be upset about that
I love that the characters in the She-Ra reboot have distinct body types, it has a more realistic feel and I wish more character designers would do stuff like this, even if it is seen as "pandering to SJWs" or whatever. In real life, some women are slim, others chunky or muscular. Some have large or small breasts. Some even look somewhat masculine, even if they aren't trans. Some ladies love makeup and fashion, others don't really give a shit. They have different skin tones and hairstyles and personalities. The people who deny any of these points show that they don't really know much about women, since they can look just as varied as men and can be just as engaging in personality, as opposed to the hourglass figures and pretty faces you usually see in media. I haven't seen the show yet so idk about how good it is, but I adore the creators for including unique character designs.
My favorite is people complaining about the She-Ra design for not looking like a teenage girl. She-Ra is some kind of superpowered warrior mode, she's not supposed to look like a normal teen girl, lol.
Same here. I've never understood how simply depicting various body types is "pandering to SJWs." People of all shapes and sizes EXIST in real life, they don't all look like Barbie dolls, so why have people made this into some political issue? It's actually kinda weirder to NOT show different body types in a cartoon, especially since it can add a lot of visual interest to a character when they look more distinct, so I've never followed that logic.
@@StarlightPrism
She looks like 13 year old boy
I like most of the deshins but A chunky person in a universe of fighters is wired, even if you could use magic
@@wulfulk1000 Not really. Magic users wouldn't need physical strength, since they have powers that can do work for them (as pan explained in the video). Some people just have naturally stocky builds, too. And hell, even people who are fat could be strong warriors. Remember that fat and muscle are different, but both contribute to build and weight. One person can be BOTH fat and muscular at the same time (see: Cheryl Haworth below).
This article in particular is one of my favorites for showing varying body types (for both men and women), especially those for characters that are stronger such as warriors, adventurers, etc.
www.boredpanda.com/athlete-body-types-comparison-howard-schatz/
My opinion on all these reboots that antagonize the fanbases is simple.
Don't insult them for not liking what you did with the show.
You don't have to cater to them, you don't even have to listen to or care about them, just don't insult them, cause then you get these massive backlashes.
I mean, you might get one anyway, but insulting them makes it worse.
The best thing you can do is just respond "We understand and are listening to your feedback in order to make our show better."
Don't have to mean it, you can just lie to them with that statement, but do not OPENLY INSULT THEM ON SOCIAL MEDIA where everyone can see and in turn might heavily negatively influence your profits.
Looking at you Ninja Theory coughDmCcough.
Business 101, never insult customers or potential customers.
Apparently, Teen Titans go didn't get this memo.
Thing is, people see through that business talk bullshit and if you say you understand and are making changes for the people supporting you, but then don't, you are not being nice. You are a liar. All that shit does is pacify people for a while. The only thing that will satisfy people in the long-term is a product well made and people will only accept kind words for so long. Complain and rage at the customers, but 99.99999% only will see the show. They will not see the complaining. They just see the show. If the show is shit and you are nice, you are nice with a shit show. If you are an asshole, but asshole, but make a good show, you have a good show. Just look at one of the most horrible people in the industry, John K, to see how that works. Ren and Stimpy is a classic still talked about to this day. Only .0001% of people know about the bullshit behind the scenes. People only care about the show.
Check out the Homestuck^2 PR to see absolute communist bullshit
Honestly I liked the new she ra, solid 8/10. The show isn’t perfect and there’s lots of things that can be improved upon but ultimately the characters are fun and dynamic with lots of personality, and overall the good out weighs the bad.
I tend to agree. What I try to remember is that the first season of a show is rarely amazing. ST:TNG, the Doctor Who reboot, MLP:FIM, none of their first seasons were all that great, in large part because of how much time was necessary to introduce the audience to the characters as opposed to telling good stories. Season 2 is when the magic happens.
Hmm I will point out one very minor flaw there, a nerdy nitpick if you will. Dr Who has never actually been 'rebooted', it's all the same time line baby, from the original 1960s series all the way up to the modern one. Most fans refer to it as a Revival rather than a Reboot.
Even the gap between the Paul Mcgann movie and the Christopher Eccleston series is actually filled in with Big Finish Audio books basically acting like season with its own continuity and Companions that lead into Series 1 of 'new' Dr Who.
@@EditDeath yeaaah, well i just saw season 2 of she ra, meh..
One word, Pan-Pizza..........
H I L D A .
Aside from Final Space, it's literally the best thing that has ever came out in 2018 and almost nothing else from both this year and years past compares to all it's awesomeness in what it has to offer for both pure entertainment and a very engaging storyline that really hits home to the heart.
Please check it out whenever you get the chance to do so.
Final space?
Yeah, I really love that show a lot. It's another one of those exciting-filled cartoons that really speaks to me on a emotional level, for a lack of a better term.
Its good and enjoyable, but Hilda acts waaay too mature for her age, even by shows aimed at kids and teenage standarts, it makes her feel unautentic, as if she was suposed to be and adult but the creator made child because thats more appealing to the mses. So it comes of as mary sueish
Okay...
ThePolishArtist More importantly, it's the first adult cartoon in a VERY long time that actually feels like it wants to be animated, and opts for a different direction than satirical humor. I legit think it could be the savior of adult animation as we know it.
How can you review Summer Camp Island and not mention how amazing Susie is. She is basically the reason to watch the show by herself.
Seriously. I think the show is great in general, but Susie is one of the best written characters in any cartoon.
And once again I would like to say that the majority of new non reboot shows on cn have been very underappreciated.
Its cause the reboot shows make a lot of money for CN
Mighty Raccoon Hello, my love.
people pretty much think Teen Titans Go and Steven Universe are the only shows on TV
I know, no one talks about Craig of the Creek and that makes me so sad.
You are everywhere.
The real reason why the original She-Ra and He-Man fans are complaining about the reboot is because the creators of the reboot went out of their way to bash and badmouth the original fans.
Well the original was trash
@@toon_scaling So are the fans of the reboot.
@@laobok you got me there mate, I'm not a fan of the reboot, I just watched both of them and the original is trash
14:30 Reminds me of X-Men TAS (1992-1997) versus X-Men: Evolution (2001-2003). In TAS they were all buff adults with abs and biceps, but in Evolution they were slim but athletic teens.
But paaaaaaaan Rise of the TMNT has the CalArts style, paaaaaaaaaan if it's not hyper realistic and perfectly proportioned its cal arts style, it has bright colors so its cal arts style paaaaaaaaan
you can say that about literally anything
if anything Big City Greens has the “cal arts style” which I don’t really agree the the term but apparently it’s anything with a thin outline and simple shapes
@@Bophades93 That is most cartoon Characters. Most cartoon Characters have a simple shape.
@@icecreamhero2375 youre correct. okay then just the thin outline i suppose. i dont even believe in the claim im just explaining what people define it as
@@Bophades93 Buggs Bunny has a thin outline
4:10 As Sir Jonathan Jafari once said when they looked a poorly received piece of animation, "Bad touchy! Bad touchy! Stranger danger, stranger danger!"
ooh nice new intro
Hold up did anybody else see how thicc that referee was @ 8:57
Holy
FUCK
Yes she ain't thicc
Shes not thicc but damn shes cute
Another cartoon i really enjoyed was Hilda, it's very chill
big city greens is a gem
Nice to see someone put the she-ra "controversy" in a light it deserved, same thing, different show, as it'll always be one generation complaining the next is "bad" or whatever for differences rather than the quality of said thing regardless of the differences
If she-ra gets a good season 2 it probably will be a show people fondly remember, cus the first show definitely wasn't one people cared about.
Exactly, I'm an old Shera fan and no one ever talked about her until this reboot was created and I'm here like tf most didn't even knkw what Shera was or saw the original. An as a fan I admit the original lacked a lot of things, had many plot holes and the story never progressed the new one has it flaws but it's still good compared to 80 percent in bad cartoons that are on air right now
If season 2 ends up being good I can't wait to see the people who are calling it horrible now start liking it by then
I can't speak on the quality of the original other than the (imo) rather silly 80s toy designs, but I know the guy behind this and he-man and other shows was a really good guy, and I doubt he'd be very upset over this reboot
Don’t really get the She Ra outrage maybe that’s because I have no nostalgic connection to She-Ra or He-man and I was never a fan of the Filmation stuff
It's basically shit flingers flinging shit and people taking advantage of the shit flinging to fling their own shit
There's so much shit flinging that no matter how the show is it's gonna be covered in shit one way or another
Because internet nerds are so used to being catered to that they throw a shitfest whenever something comes out that is connected to something nostalgic with changes made to target modern youth (especially if those youth are women or from minority groups).
Well it started as people not liking the new art style and being upset with another reboot. You know like with every new reboot.
Than moved to outright blind hate when "sjws" started to defend the show by calling everyone who didn't like it perverts and pedophiles with no life.
its either that the re-boot is putting gay messages down our throats that we dont even need or she-ra looks like a femboy. in my opinion the show turns me off not bc of she-ra wich i really liked that character but the cat lady and other characters that represent gay shit or sjw that keep shoving down our throats.
@@paraclonebasedtrooper8225 You do realize that both He-man and She-ra have been beloved figures of the lgbtq community since they first aired in the 80's right? If anything, they're just being more honest about themselves now. Like you can dislike the show if you want, but don't go around pretending that He-man and She-ra were ever not gay af.
I agree with Pan’s general assessment on the new She-Ra. The first few episodes are a little awkwardly paced, and I think the fact that they needed to tie it to the original series (which I have very little familiarity with beyond a couple of robot chicken sketches) made for a little weirdness (really Adora? You think that a woman named “Shadow Weaver” and a group ruling a place called the “Fright Zone” May not actually be the good guys like they were claiming?) But by the second half they’ve found their stride with the character dynamics and it’s quite enjoyable. Not quite Avatar level, but I’d actually compare it favorably to Voltron. Minor complaint is that it seems like the villains have all the best characters at this point, especially Catra and her main minions.
I couldn't agree more with this. I suspect part of it is that the heroes spent so much time meeting new characters, whereas the villains kept to a smaller cast that were allowed to show more facets of their personalities. Hopefully a little time will correct this balance.
The second half is definately an improvement over the first.
Yeah I can agree. I’m a bit upset there’s not the same development on the villain’s side, tho
adora was manipulated and lied to. they earned her loyalty by raising her and making her believe she's doing the right thing. it makes perfect sense
If it makes you feel any better, a lot of the great villain characters end up defecting eventually.
>Music Festival Crashing
I don’t think Travis Scott fans like that show
2:15 How will you ever recover from that. What a powerful argument
People hating that new she-ra show because is based off a 1985 toy show and they changed it a lot to appeal new generation... Yeah! Thats the fcking point of a reboot, to adapt to current trends an old loved show (even tho i never knew he-man had a sister with a show too) and what better time to reboot it, after 33 fcking years passed, of course things would have changed
But seriously i didnt even know there was a knock off he-man, i been seing she-ra for a couple of days on my feeds but i never would've guessed it was a reboot of a 33 y/o knock off of he-man
Yup. You want a real laugh? They made a crossover Christmas special, and it's about as dated as you'd expect. It's hilariously bad, in a Santa Claus Conquers the Martians kinda way.
I hate it because the people behind it are actually disrespectful to the original franchise, basically making it their fanfiction, admittedly shipping the characters just cause, and the very transparent attempt to be as gay as possible. It's a very shallow reboot. And I'm not even a fan of the original She-Ra.
劉木
That’s why it’s a reboot and not a continuation of the original show. That’s like being mad at the James Bond series or Disney films for making big changes (or in plenty of cases downright tossing the original story aside for a new one).
Who else here really enjoys Rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles and feels like it gets too much hate .😄
Haven’t seen it but Im a huge fan of 12 and the idw comics
Not enough hate*
Sorry, it's just pure garbage...
I haven't seen any hate. 'cept for Spook Dook who replied to this.
Oh yeah. all that stuff before it aired. but haven't seen any where i normally watch it.
i see you all over youtube
Its garbage
oof, gl on getting those art pan. half a year isn't bad but you should try to in touch with them.
this happened to me a few times, it sucks when you learn they just forgot and won't finish it because their busy with other commission and no refuses :x
I think the summer camp show's art style is cute. It's not all in your face with gross designs you know.
I love the show because I find it so wholesome. And the art style is so cute.
Since I never grew up with She-Ra, I didn't care for the reboot.
I didn’t grow up with but I like it
i only knew a bit about the classic, and i watched the reboot. the reboot is its own thing entirely. it's honestly brilliant. incredibly well written, paced, superbly voice acted and has great animation
@@SunlitSonata14272 ikr. the story is seriously so good. a breath of fresh air even
and the characters are so complex each in their own ways
@@gsomslayer eh the animation is okay, but it seems like it was just a story for Noelle. It doesn’t seem they actually knew anything about She Ra from the 80’s and it’s disappointing to see that them and the fans literally crap on the og
Shouldn't Dreamworks reboot He-Man before She-Ra?
It seems like part of it was a matter of timing. The He-Man license was already picked up by another company intending to make a movie that didn't actually happen. Now that the license is available again, we'll just have to see what the company decides on.
R3n3gad3 THEY LITERALLY DID
There was. It was on toonami
No, that was spalsh entertainment
(The Mike young version)
Oh yeah mr krabs
*screams loudly*
The presentation & style of your videos is just getting better and better. Excited to see what you have coming down the line, keep up the great work
Hey, I loved Summer Camp Island! I felt like it was just the right amount of weird to stand out. The art style felt more chill and not overly bouncy, and I loved how desaturated the colors were. The characters and humor was just right!
Come on, no mention of Hilda?
Pan isn't here to tell us about what we all already love.
Read the video description.
@@daegan_ftw yah but I feel like the show has gone mostly unnoticed, it's a shame cause it's awesome! More people should be talking about it
GamerSlyRatchet1 oh, right
That's how I feel about a lot of Netflix cartoons. There's tons of great stuff to watch and discuss, but all anyone wants to talk about are She-Ra, Voltron, or Castlevania.
Wow. New aesthetic, background, pacin', editin', direction' and more tremendously wonderfully spot on details of a video. This is not a belittlin' thing, I swear, I adore this an Amiibos! Stupendously incredible Amiibos. ^w^ (The auto correctin' functionality on either' me Laptop or Mobile Phone keep "correcting" "Amiibos" to "Amigos" since Nintendo's interactive nearly one 'undred percent on screen accurate, in terms of sculpt, paint and proportions, figures aren't part of the Australian English library of words yet)
"Soooooooo, you guys from Jersey?"
Okay, that's funny.
Pretty sure most people hated Thundercats Roar for not being a continuation of the cancelled Thundercats 2011 series and instead being another cutesy comedy show animated in Cal-arts.
I've never watched either She-Ra, so little opinion there. I just despise a mystical warrior outfit that includes bicycle shorts, lol. Like get a gladiator skirt or chainmail or pants or somethin'.
This is late and idk if you watched it already but I would really recommend watching it, it gets pretty crazy
@@keavinmurcia7026 I haven't watched it already. Glad others are having fun with it. But it is tricky to enjoy an animation one doesn't like the look of. I feel I can live without it.
Thanks tho.
@AT Productions Oh I'm all for laxing on some realism, but the bike shorts are just sort of ugly. :/ There is a reason Wonder woman is put in pants before trying those. Some sort of stockings or full length leggings would look better I'd say.
@@LadyTanglepath the show is finished and she has pants now btw
@@keavinmurcia7026 I see. Maybe I'll look up her design later. Still not interested in the overall art style tho.
14:45 and when everyone is super no one will be
@Mac Mcskullfacedude its the syndrome monologue
That's good, actually. More people to handle shit.
@@saulodoamordivino Either that or super power would be ilegalised in that universe unless you have a license for that.
I really can't get over the tumblr artstyle in She-Ra.
I haven't seen any dudes with hourglass figures and octopus lips in it, though.
All these people getting upset over She-Ra is kind of hilarious but also super disheartening. Is it the greatest show around? Not really. Probably a solid 3/5. Like, the true definition of average. But holy shit, the reasons people are finding to get mad about it. Especially with anything related to body types or how it's 'promoting sjw ideals'. Honestly, I'm pretty sure most of the people saying it is horrible are just mad about it being more inclusive than they want it to be and are choosing to hide behind the actual flaws of the show and pretend like it is horrible trash to validify their opinion.
Basically, treating a 3/5 like it's a 1/5 because it promotes something you're buttmad about.
@@FinalFantasyIXIIII
Yeah, it's okay that the gays and trans exist but they have to stay in the background meaning not front and center so they don't overwhelm the media?
Like what?
@@FinalFantasyIXIIII I really really doubt cis straight male characters are gonna become the minority lmao
+Jasmine Spiritwalker Probably not, but thats what alot of sjws want.
@@FinalFantasyIXIIII "its bad for one group to overwelm the media"
You mean like cis, hetero, and white people have been doing for the past... forever, since the invention of television?
@@FinalFantasyIXIIII A couple of diverse shows is hardly pushing straight cis white dudes in a media minority. Hell, women make up half the population but most shows and movies outside of romance still have male leads. What would you say is the appropriate balance?
Is it just me or are most of these cartoons look similar in terms of the color style and the thin lines?and it looks like there are a lot of anime related animation inspiration
Every decade has a distinct style you associate with it. We're getting a lot of anime influence in our recent ones, which I personally like.
A lot of current cartoonists and animators grew up with anime. There’s a reason She-Ra, Teen Titans, Thundercats and even the DC animated shows take a lot from that: the people working on it are applying stuff they learned and saw from anime.
@@rodney2x48 She-Ra is kinda meh though.
@@maddieb.440 I enjoyed. It's got it's flaws, but it didn't shit the bed like Voltron did. I can't wait for the He-Man reboot.
@@rodney2x48 True. Voltron became a greater disappointment for me after a few seasons to say the least.
You should make a "Today's Bullshit, Tomorrow's Nostalgia" T-Shirt. I'd wear it.
“Today’s bullshit tomorrow’s nostalgia” just remember that internet
I really liked _Summer Camp Island._ It was kinda cute and the weird stuff was quirky and silly and appealed to my autistic ass. I watched it while my aunt from New York was visiting her timeshare. My mom had seen a few pieces of it while I was watching it but she called me stupid because of how it looks. It infuriates me whenever my mom immediately judges a book by its cover without at least listening to the jokes. I even tried to show that the cartoons were really pushing a "progressive agenda" (take that with a grain of salt) such as those two goth girls from _Craig of the Creek_ as well as that one episode from _Summer Camp Island_ where this one little ghost had two dads. I just really liked Susie the most from _Summer Camp Island_ because she kinda reminded me of Helga Petaki from _Hey Arnold!_ except instead of being hostile to one person she adores, she was being hostile to pretty much everyone while wanting acceptance. I also liked the Oscar-Hedgehog dynamic because I honestly do not remember seeing two main leads of opposite gender being like genuine platonic friends --no (initial) romantic motivation, it was a sibling-like bond and it was really cute. Looking back, I did not know about their ages so yeah, their voices did *NOT* sound like 14 year-olds; they should've been aged to around 9 or 10 while the counselors were at least 14 to 16 in a sense that it's more like they're babysitters who call themselve camp counselors to sound more "dignified." Personal favorite episode was the one with the monsters confronting their "traditional" grandmother. Really loved that stupid/silly ending with "she turned Oscar into cookies!" where even Oscar was a bit too creeped out to eat cookies with his face on them. I feel like the show had a good run and aired at an appropriate time: summer
The counselors are 15 years of age (except Sussie.) and the campers are the ages between 9 - 12. I believe.
So having that said it's not that far of a stretch for having them act this way. And I still kind of act this way with my friends and we're in high school.
Well, it still airs over here in the UK. Me and my brother started watching it from the start and fell in love with it. It’s so wholesome!
Oscar and Hedgehog are 11 in season 1
The reason I don't like the new She-Ra is mostly the art style. Everyone looks the same and has the same face. I can't tell anyone apart. There's little to no depth in the art from the clips I've seen as well.
You can't tell anyone apart? Do you have eyes?
...Really? None of the characters even look slightly similar...
...Are you sure the clips you watched weren't from the original series?
I agree, the concept artists have same face syndrome, but everyone doesn't look the same otherwise.
Ngl i like the style. Its not "muh cal arts" but not original She-ra.
yeah exactly!
also the clothes...she ra's to be exact look wayyy too simple
The quality in your videos are only getting better and better, man. That slick new intro is awesome looking, and a lot of the jokes in this video landed really well, you’re doing a great job, pizza man!!
Our boi, Pan, is back with another mini-review pack of modern toons. To sum up my thoughts:
-Have yet to see Summer Camp Island
-Big Hero 6 series... isn't grabbing me as much as it is for you... for some reason, despite really liking the movie.
-Rise of the Turtles has pretty decent wacky antics with our shell-backed product icons.
-The new She-Ra I just started watching and has a decent start so far.
-Big City Greens is great and highly underrated!
Other shows you could've also covered for these types of videos:
Harvey Street Kids
Craig of the Creek
Disenchantment
Hilda (not only my fave show on Netflix, but probably the best cartoon in 2018 in general!)
All in all, nice vid as usual!
Yellow hobos.......are we in the Simpson ?!..........Ok that was a dumb reference, I’ll go.......
I'm calling it now the guy who made Summer Camp Island is gonna be exposed as some diaper fetishist or something.
Another JG Quintel, basically.
@@laobok Wait, what did JG Quintel do?
She-ra and Rise of the Ninja Turtles are shows that I'm gonna enjoy watching, while ignoring the blind hate over the whole "reboots are automatically bad" thoughts that a lot of people have nowadays
In my opinion, Rise of the Ninja Turtles is way better than the She-Ra Reboot, and to me, Rise does not deserve the amount of hate its getting.
16:52 Did he just say "his mega anime torrent just finished downloading"? I'm dead...
You really had some good and sincere takes on these "popular to hate" cartoons, thanks Pan, nice video as always.
Cool intro btw
She-Ra looks super fun. Gonna definitely watch.
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-Charles Darwin, Origin of Species (1859)
Eh, the new She Ra is only in it for the diversity and shipping between gay characters. Why I say this? Because it's mainly the only thing people who actually like the show talks about. Then they would get a hissy fit if talk anything negative about it. Making up stuff like "Eh, it's only for kids, and not every girl is supposed to get you a boner." I'm like WTF are yall even on?
Adventure Time, Steven Universe and Star vs the Forces of Evil does a better job. People actually talk about the story too and not just the shipping.
Sorry that's been your experience. Let me rectify that in some small way. In addition to the shipping, I'm looking forward to the consequences of Entrapta's heel-turn and finding out why the previous She-Ra "betrayed" her calling. In addition, I'm curious whether my hunch about Scorpia's true allegiances is correct.
If you'd like to share your complaints about the show, feel free. While I enjoy it, I won't argue the fact that I see a few that bug me.
i think youre confusing shera with shitron , shera has a good plot line the gay girls are a plus
I'm actually interested in where the story is going. I want to hear more about the world they live in, hear more about the past She-ra and maybe learn more about the origin or this world and She-ra role, see what other kind of princesses exist (i admit i find the powers pretty cool, its reminiscent of the 1st time i watched Sailor Moon as a kid), and these characters
@@persona2isNot trying to shit on She-Ra, I thought it was pretty good, but personally I think Voltron had a *way* better plot.
The funny thing about the original She-Ra was that she was made for girls by women. She was created to compete with Barbie, and the executives wanted her to look more modelish because they thought that’s what girls only liked. The creatures fought this sexism and won. So when these NPC start spouting their nonsense, I just like to remind them that they did nothing to earn this. They are just working off stuff that came before.
“Any long running comic that makes changes” gave me a giggle
i would love to see pan do a video for the full series of rise of the tmnt! i just finished it today on netflix and i think it is my favourite turtles series to date! but to be fair a lot of the episodes feel like filler, but i’d argue the character interactions make up for it! the show drives deep into emotional stories in season 2 and really gets you to feel with the characters. master splinter is fleshed out as a faliure in his own right, never having learned the ways of his clan, and i really like that direction with the character. the series is bold and action packed and god omg i just love it so much!!
Three comments in one
1) your views of Rise of the TMNT sound a lot like Nostalgia Critic except more enthusiastic
2) good God I did not know Shrek was based off a book
3) something about the new She-Ra cartoon design still bugs me, I'm not sure what, it's not cuz of the differing body types, maybe it's the hairstyles? something about that hairpiece over Adora's forehead does irk me, IDK
D.C. Stranded it bugs me that some of the fat characters have skinny heads and necks
My prob with She-ra is the subtle "future is female" stuff floating around. This even spreads to the designs of some of the males in the show, giving them more "feminine" proportions and for that one dude... Midriff? Why Midriff? ((Also side note they gave us a character that's chubby and blows air think about that for one second))
Joshua Seard Bow has masculine proportions, he just likes his croptops. Just like in the original.
@Tesla-Effect One of the actors from the original series said that at the time, Filmation Studios was one of the gayest places in town. All of the gay stuff people laugh at from the original shows? Those were totally intentional.
Julia Pott was also the voice of future Emily from Don Hertzfeldt's film World of Tomorrow, which I only brought up because
wheeennnn are you gonna review Don Hertzfeldt's moviessss?
I fucking loved World of Tomorrow and It's Such a Beautiful Day, and none of the big cartoon reviewers I watch have talked about them. I'd enter the raffle thingy that Pan does but I'm poor af.
My word about the new She-ra, the reason adults complain about a kids series is because they expected a kids show to be good for kids that they can let their kids watch. The creator claims she is trying to make the show anime-styled in terms characters, genre, or both. Let me say this, NOT EVERY anime have anatomically correct proportionate bodies. Even 80s American cartoons had something like that before foreign animation became noticeable, though barely animated. Doraemon and Maruko-chan looks different than most anime, but at least the characters look like people and had fluent movement. Viewers are concerned the reboot is trying to appeal LGBTs and SJWs.
Timestamps For Your Convenience
00:00 Intro
1:29 Summer Camp Island (Cartoon Network)
5:01 Big Hero 6: The Series (Disney XD)
7:42 Rise of the TMNT (Nickelodeon)
10:24 She-Ra And The Princesses of Power (2018) (Netflix)
15:43 Big City Greens (Disney Channel)
Except the new tmnt has non existent personalities, which is a big blow personally. But to each their own.
Critique for the new She-Ra cartoon. Being someone from the 90's I grew up with a lot of cartoons from the 80's. But I've never had much passion / interest in She-Ra, so I have no nostalgic attachment to the original, so I can be as extensive as possible in my review.
But I give credit where it is due, and this will not make the mark any favor other than serve as a warning to the next creator who dares to reflect his own version of the program and for all creators on the dangers of trying to appeal to the superficial concepts of people like the so-called warriors of social justice who want to alienate the majority of humanity that lives today instead of worrying about the quality of their design and whether or not it is interesting is stimulating.
This show is more about satisfying the personal desires of its creator using the classic character as a platform (hi Noelle Stevenson), and this is very shameful and myopic for several reasons. The main heroine with a design and a personality like Adora is not bad, but the drawings of her alter ego leave nothing to the imagination, and honestly it is quite dull and masculine even (She-Ra). The original was a young woman who turned into a beautiful Amazonian heroine, while this new She-Ra transforms from a teenage into a bigger teenager, who looks like a giant dwarf with a lion wig.
The fact is that Adora is apparently more pleasant (well-designed) than the part of her that supposedly makes her a heroine (She-Ra). In addition, it seems to fix much more the underlying lesbian attraction of the creator of this cartoon (Noelle Stevenson) that is created between Adora and Felina (Catra) making it appear that it is practically everything that the creator wanted was to approach a lesbian adolescent romance. Is it about saving the world or keeping us in suspense how long will it take until these two resolve to come out of the closet and get it over with? With this and other LGBTQ nuances, it is difficult to define who the target audience is, and in each episode the protagonists really are children. But who is the target of the drawing? Are they even the little kids ?, Are the most liberal old fans ?.
It is strange that while they say that history has its foot on the ground and a certain magical realism, and everyone is at war, but the teenage villains do not seem so evil, and the heroes act as if they are having a date or going for a walk things got serious.
The character Entrapta was originally a villain in the old program, but here she started now as a princess and spontaneous friend who changing sides with a poor lie and scientific interests (this is strange and lazy).
Do not mention designs that are too disproportionate in almost all characters that are not Adora and Feline (Catra). Shimmering left the heroine with personality to be equal to She-Ra in reliability to suddenly be a short, fat brat who prides herself on disappearing. The Archer looks like the guy who's only there to be the comic relief, whatever. The shape of the faces of the other girls is very similar to dolls, but many do not match physically with the parts of their bodies. Another thing, think is if Ventania (She-Ra's horse) had little screen time when he was with She-Ra (Adora) every step of the way in the old drawing as He-Man and the Warrior Cat. Perhaps this could have distracted the public from its new and terrible design if she mounted her flying horse longer than she remained like a giant dwarf with a blonde wig. This new She-Ra design has the Korra Legend style mixed with Steven Universe. The former relied on terrifying stories and character development, but it does away with the popularity of its predecessor (Legend of Anng).
In conclusion, this new cartoon from the new She-Ra is another themed experiment to test if society is already liberal enough to have a LGBTQ heroine as the protagonist of a good show. The animation has more flaws than the script, the shading and the colors were not very good, they need to improve this, and the design did not please me anything, it draws life if in 1980 they had the ability to produce an animation with that quality was of if it was expected that this new one was at least the height, unfortunately this did not happen, the trait and very irregular in some scenes, it seems that it was done lazily, I kind of felt that at times it was copying SU.
Maybe you have a small chance of getting a second and third season, but that's all. Otherwise, with all that is established, there is no chance that this new She-Ra can go as far as or be as significant as the new "Voltron." This program (She-Ra) could give lessons on how not to adapt a classic franchise that cross generations. This design is more of a joke in bad taste than a franchise restart.
you pretty much said all of my problems with this shit show of a show.
Everything I've been thinking and I've been saying since the show was released on Netflix.
If I were in charge of rebooting a classic, I'll do my damn best to:
Study the source material, not just watching it, saying that it looks corny and call it a day, I meant REALLY looking into it, what each episode meant and seeing what kind of things they we're teaching kids back then (a lot of people point out how these shows were only made to sell toys, but no one points out how many episodes have PSAs at the end, explaining what the episode was about just so the kid's parents won't get angry or something)
Take elements from the original that works, and amp them to 11
Make an overall upgrade to their designs
And make a genuine storyline with character growth and all that jazz
Details like "so and so is this skin color or likes the same gender" should be the last things to think about. Character's personalities comes first (I like to use the, "just so happens to be" element on making characters. Gives me more room to flesh them out on what should be the MAIN selling point for said character, and not go all Dragon age Dev on the audience)
Oh and if I end up getting backlash on anything, I'm not gonna resort to labeling them of being things they are not, and bash the original show.
I know right? And I'm so glad the new show did that.
@@Ellie_deMayo can't wait for them to do the same for He-man!
[Sarcasm detecting machine explodes]
@@the-NITRON
Oh, yes definitely. With how the show delved into themes of responsibility, purpose and identity. Especially tackling the subject of proving one's self worth to yourself and others. And what it could mean. Which its audience could relate to and learn from much like the PSA's of old.
Very well said. I think that's drew me into the 2012 TMNT. It was a series made by a fan who had studied the franchise his whole life, and wasn't afraid to both update it and correct problems from the original while simultaneously showing love and respect for the franchise. It's the best case scenario for creating a reboot.
There’s something about the aesthetic of your channel that is so nostalgic it literally makes me feel like I’m 7 again watching toonami on adult swim love it
My buddy Keith lived in a graveyard once for a whole year. It wasn't a dare or nothin', he just got kicked out of his house. He said he NEVER saw a single ghost 'cept for this one time when a ghost stabbed him from behind and took all his money, and he might've just been a homeless guy, 'cause he had a robe on with two eyes cut out his face.
omg new video is this GENERIC WINTER CELEBRATIONS?
Its pre-christmas nearly Parade far past breakfast time
Just you watch She-Ra Season 5, I think it fixed what you pointed out
Summer Camp Island was worth watching for all the strange random scenes. I think it's not something you should binge watch, but put on when there's nothing else to watch.
”My mega anime torrent is done downloading” I love that
Honestly, the new She-Ra is quite enjoyable. Most of the characters are just okay to me. The only character I am really invested in is Catra and her relationship with Adora. That's some fucking tasty shit right there
I think the biggest issue I have is the continuity. Like, as an example, in one episode there's a set of stairs leading up to Glimmer's bed, and the next they suddenly vanish just for them to do a gag? Things like that are all over the series and it always seems like a lazy oversight. It really drags the show down for me, and I hope they fix this issue.
Also, I like the new body types and think they make a lot of sense, except that sometimes they shove them in our faces (outside of the show that is). They show off how 'diverse' it is and it just tastes bad on my tongue. I like the new designs, but you shouldn't be putting them on a pedestool for the sake of representation.
80s: Toy Marketers ruin everything
90s: Edgy Artists ruin everything
00s: Anime Weeaboos ruin everything
10s: CalArts and Reboots ruin everything
I wonder what the new 20s have in store thats gonna get everyone riled up
Cat lovers ruining everything.
4am rebeltaxi babey!!!!!!!!!!!
11:16 how you're so sure all people like 2003 teen titans ?
The joke was that when 2003 Teen Titans first came out, comic book fans fucking _hated_ it.
I think calling Summer Camp Island "sensory overload" and an "acid trip" is not entirely correct, I personally think there are many episodes where there is an appreciation for stillness and peace. I think the episode playing while you were describing the show as sensory overload did indeed perpetrate your point, but there are other episodes which are not as wild and chaotic as the first episode. I don't know if I'm reading into this too hard but I feel like the show gets more serene and ordered as you keep watching, like you're being accustomed to the wacky world along with the characters. Also the characters' ages were lowered to like 10 or 11 and I feel like the show managed to capture the child-like wonder and naivety that would embody children thrust into a world full of sentient objects, monsters and magic. I enjoyed this show a lot, but I don't fully agree with the criticism in this video, not all episodes are overloading acid trips.
9:33 I don't know what you're talking about. A lot of cartoon start episodic and never had a story based back then , a lot of cartoons were just filler to fosters home to billy and mandy to teen titans sometimes, hey arnold didn't get a story till a few seasons in, why do cartoons do that, then when a cartoon starts going to have a story it turns back episodic. I don't mind action shows super hero's, but when a show like adventure time and Steven universe does it its unacceptable, I wish that trend would stop