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Throughout the Chevrolet C8 Corvette’s release all the hype has circled around one major buzzword...mid engine. That’s sorta old news but more recently, there’s also been talks and leaked footage regarding the upcoming C8 Z06 using another very “european” technology, and that's a “flat plane crank'' engine. That’s really cool, so today I wanna take a look at the C8 and first, explain why mid engine is, well, better. I’m sure you’re thinking ‘weight distribution’ yes, but there’s more science to it. And THEN, we’ll dive into the difference between a normal “cross plane crankshaft” and a flat plane crank -and why the Corvette’s move from one to the other is a pretty big deal. It took them over 60 years to pull the trigger on this technology - let’s find out why!
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What's the best mid-engine car of all time? - Jeremiah
Every 80s Ferrari ever
Hands dow F40. Definitely most iconic
ford gt40 or f40
Ford Gt
Pontiac fiero!!
When you learn more physics than the online physics class
I'm a physics TA. The most physics I learned was through Engineering Explained and planes
Haha
forreal, Im doing mechanical engineering and i feel like i already knew the mechanical stuff before physics because of watching videos like this lmao
@@deadboy9955 True that channel is very thoroughly informative.
Learned more in the first 3 minutes than my last 5 months of school put together
Boost creeps is alright, but I think we need another shirt that says “Spinny Boys” on it
more yinyang too!
@@khayajmahxyz yin yang spini thang
Wuhan Spinny Thang lol
Bob Ross Reminds me of the old meme: “You’re gonna stand there, owning a Chinese turbo stand and you don’t have any Wu-Tang War Whistles, no Nagasaki Noisy Boys, no Beijing Blowholes, no Ying-Yang Spinny Thangs, no Taiwan Tranny Trashers, no Kung-Pow Cam Crushers, no Shanghai Cyclones, no Mongolian Motor Manglers (with or without the Szechuan Sender) or Pad-Thai Pounders?”
YES
1:52 that is honestly the SICKEST transition i've ever witnessed
Super smooth
I agree
Jerry: “In American, it sounds like this..” TH-cam: “SO LIT MOBILE JUST SENT ME THIS BATTERY BANK”
THE SOAP YOU SHOWER WITH IS SHIT
13Anomalous LOL
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I was upset when that happened. Ads are trashsack.
VISA ZERO LIABILITY GIVES YOU THE CONFIDENCE TO SHOP ONLINE
You guys should make a video that breaks down what goes into camming an engine and why it makes that awesome sound.
That sounds like an old show...
By the name of SCIENCE GARAGE!!! ⚡⚡⚡
th-cam.com/video/-R0LvgywiWk/w-d-xo.html it's in there
Yeah that’s a cool idea
Money pit?
Bring back science garage
Do a Up To Spped on
"Isle Of Man TT"
Up to speed on Pikes Peak
Past gas on both
HE HEARTED IT!!!
Finally
Ford GT = Am I, a joke to you? 😢
Customers = Of course not. But we can actually afford this.
Sad but I would drive it with a slightly smaller bon..............smile. Science I guess.
Why get that shitbox, get a mclaren for the same price
@@recipoldinasty i don't know if that was sarcasm or not but if ita not McLaren is one of the shitbox car compared to ford gt
@@serenity0n0 lol the new ford gt is absolute trash for the price, nothing special about it and ugly, the early 2000s version was good tho
@@serenity0n0 im not a huge fan of mclarens but for that price, too many better options
We all know the heaviest component of a vette isn’t the engine...it’s the driver.
Murrrica
Hell yea brother!
I didn't know your mom was that fat.
9:59 "But an American, it sound like this: *ad plays*
Perfect representation
F
Gotta love capitalism.
cant relate, youtube vanced babyyyy
I got dyson hairdryer commercial. For a secind i thought "wait american cars don't sound like that!" Then i realised...
I’m really starting to like this guy.
I feel he needs a bit more energy. I just went back and re-watched the b2b on the c8 when James and, whoa, his energy and excitement woke me right up. I still love all the facts though, every Tuesday morning
He is great in my opinion I even like him a bit more than James. But I don't think I have to say that all Donut Media hosts have at least one great aspect about them, I just prefer Jeremiah
I never understood the hate for him. He was a bit awkward in the very first videos but ever since then he's been solid.
Where's the love for Bart?
I kind of get what you guys mean, but they all bring their own energy and enthusiasm to the channel. Which personally I think is better... Different sides of the same coin
tha idealist I have never seen a person write this so, sorry?
“It’s actually a lot of work to move to a mid engine” que all the Honda guys throwing engines in the back of their cars in their driveway lol
😂😂😂😂😂
VTEC baby!!!!
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I’d kill to mid engine swap my Del sol. But it’s too much work lmao
2:00 - "Only Hi-End sports cars ... use the mid-engine design"
1992 MR2 SW20 - *"AM I A JOKE TO YOU ?"*
Haha I thought the same
with a 4cyl:? yeah.
Literally any MR2, Lotus, Alfa Romeo 4C: am I a joke to you?
The corvette was a mid-engine when the engine was up front. The engine was between the front and rear axles...
@@briand8090 I explain that to people all the time... they just give me a blank stare... My C6 Z06 goes from 46-54 to 52-48, full to empty tanks
The way he says “Pontiac” when mentioning the Fiero😂 The Fiero is an awesome car to drive, my girlfriend has one and we drove it all last summer and it was a blast
Does it still run?
Are you sure all you did was drive in it?
cool story bro
Yep still runs great, my girlfriend just recently got it out of storage
How about those headlights?
I just love the details on this serie more and more, keep it on Jeremiah!
Dillon: Mom guess what I just learned.
Mom: Dillon, go eat your Corn Pops.
"Race car drivers don't care about some vibrations!"
Me, an A&P Mechanic: "You reeeaally need care about that."
That's where you see how B2B has evolved, same car, different approach. I was sceptical at the beginning, but damn, I love those nerdy mechanical stuff
Spotted a C8 driving along the backroads last week. I wasn't convinced after just seeing photos, but after seeing it in person, the car certainly looks and sounds the part. What a machine.
untill it start to broken... it a gm car... so....
So when it does break there will be plenty of parts available because of GM's manufacturing capabilities.
I saw one a couple days ago go by on the highway. Looked really good from the front but i still can't get myself to like the rear of it, looks like they designed the rear in 20 minutes with leftover bin parts.
@@campkira gm cars are not even bad
campkira If it’s not as broken as your English I think we will be ok... 😹
Ever since I’ve subscribed to this channel I’ve learned a lot from cars. Thanks for your true hard work Donut & greetings from Ecuador! 🇪🇨.
You guys have a unique way of explaining complex automotive features and design in a way that an 8 year old child could understand without dumbing it down. Between the presenters and their individual personalities and the stories and the goofy challenges and the spot on information and the MO POWAH BABEH, I'm hopelessly (and happily) addicted! THANK YOU!
I’m a junior mechanical engineering major and I really love your videos Jeremiah I find them super neat and learn a lot thanks!
Jeremiah is no stranger to TH-cam. His presentation is very original and interesting to follow. He’s got some experience 😎
Same
Same
I commute through a rich part of my town. I’ve seen 2 C8’s there, but nowhere else. Can’t wait to get my hands on a wrecked one some day. 👍
Rob dahm did buy a wrecked one already 😂
I'm waiting for a wrecked one too. I bought a zl1 wrecked last year 😂
Camaro 1968 or thieves
Camaro 1968 LOL, depends on if they’re charging above MSRP for these things, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they were based on the production numbers from before COVID-19... have they resumed production yet?
I am 20yo, I can't wait to be 40 to afford one😂😂😂
Thank you for a very excellent explanation of the LPMoI. Having read the motorcycle articles from the early 1970's, I think this vlog let me understand this concept of the low polar moment of inertia better than I've ever understood it before. Mid-engine explanation is excellent in concept and instruction and explanation. Pushrods v. OHC. Flat-plane crank v. cross-plane crank has a lot to do with the difference between euro engines and american engines. Crank journals and the crank pins. Crank shape: well explained. OHV; OHC. Alternate firing of flat-plane = better exhaust scavenging for various reasons. All excellent explanation. Efficiency includes weight and it includes number of parts in the ICE. A third type of cam-lift is gear lifted. Most often used in motorcycles, most often Italian motorcycles which have Desmodromic type valve lifter systems leading to the name Ducati Desmo SS which used some straight cut gears to rotate and time the valves. Just interesting.
Thank you for doing this video. I’m a dedicated diesel tech at Valencia Chevy. Our one and only C8 Z51 lasted 2 weeks on the show room floor, all of the service dept loved it when we performed the pre-delivery inspection. ‘Murica baby!!!
Day 144 of asking James to do an Up to speed on his Dad
found you, see you tomorrow.
The hero
See you next video
Honda Nsx
god dammit i was gonna say when your so early paganigaming hasnt commented
Jeremiah be my friend
We're friends already Deacon - Jeremiah
@@Donut thank you so much you just made my day and can i have your snap
The C7 was also mid engine...
The new one just put it in the rear, the c7 had a front-mid engine
Andy Tomerlin Get out of here with that “since the C5” crap. The C4 handles incredibly as well; if anything it was after the C3
Do you understand what the front and rear is? If not hope you know if you a male or female
Althought the c8 looks freaking amazing, I still prefer the classic long front end look of the older corvettes. The roadster look is my favorite.
I agree
@Neel Javia and def looks worse than a ferrari or a mclaren lol
@@recipoldinasty and def looks better than a ferrari or a mclaren lol
@@xj_220 lol i get to see it everyday as my father has one, believe me, im no ferrari or mclaren fanboy but it doesnt look better than a damn classic ferrari... now ofc its pretty cheap compared to a ferrari or mclaren so theres that pro
yeah i agree. while the c8 looks good in my opinion especially from further away it just feels a bit plastic to me, it just seems like a cheaper and fatter ferrari but that will propably change with newer models in the future
I’m starting to feel like jeremiah is getting better 🔥
Like him more than alot of the others myself him and the jobe or whatever his name is dude like him too
À good question Is :
What did GM learn with the Fierro
Don't make engine hoses and plastics that crack under normal circumstances....
2007 suburban, Silverado, avalanche, Escalade, Yukon: 🤫
Abso-friggin-lutley nothing! ...well, maybe how to shutdown a beloved brand...
If they learned anything they would of kept the Corvette front engined. I'd rather have a used Ferrari then this Lamborghini wannabe.
"Don't make cars that catch fire"
@@TheMrPeteChannel with all due respect, Zora Arkus-Duntov, "The Father of the Corvette" actually wanted to make the Corvette a mid-engine sports car. This new Corvette is just fulfilling a 60 year-old promise made by GM to Zora. This isn't a "Lamborghini wannabe" as you described it to be.
Ive seen about a dozen videos of yours and loved each one. Even though you folks inject humor into the vids you're not overly silly and never childish. So now I am a happy subscriber.
Plus the production quality of your vids is very high quality.
I’ve been taking a break from donut but so glad to catch up on all the videos I missed. God this channel brings so much to the table with information.
Wohooo stayed up just to see this come online! Love the daily content guys. So much we don’t know but definitely need to know. Thanks Donut!
We need a whole video just with his eyebrows and some super energetic dubstep
Really love what you're doing with the show man. Giving it his own identity and really seeing Jeremiah coming into his own. Stay safe and stay awesome Donut.
Where's did the guy from the old science garage, I miss him
lucas 114 he has it been part of donut for over a year, he had a kid so he couldn’t make videos anymore
yeah i like bart
When he gave a shout out to the fiero boys felt good
It certainly did. Just counting down the days I can drive my 5 speed 3.8L SC
Loved your video. I have a c8 corvette and my husband has a c7 and before he supercharged his he would say our engines were exactly the same. After watching your great video I explained the differences.
By far the most entertaining and informative video I have watched from you guys. I love it! I’m starting to get into mechanics and this video helped me learn a ton! Thank you!
Last time I was this early James dad hadn’t left for a pack of milk yet.
Was Jeremiah sitting on a Yamaha R1 when he shouted "crankshafts?" That's meta.
Funny how big-bang crossplane engines are getting so popular in motorcycle racing while the flat plane is where it's at in car racing.
Just remembered that R1’s used crossplane
Unpoluar opinion The r1 crossplane sounds like a high revving twin cylinder with an aftermarket exhaust
@@VMKAROUND365 Agree with you, r6 sounds better than r1. But it doesn't matter, we all have different taste on something
@@VMKAROUND365 not so unpopular. I mean... you're right it actually does sound very similar 😅
R1 with Graves exhaust sounds like muscle from idle to bout 6.5k 🥰
Now I just love these kind of episodes ❤❤
So much to learn ! Thank you!
This series rapidly became of my favorites on this channel
Hey can we get a list of cars that needed and got "Mo power" over time. But like significant amounts.
Golf gti
@@enbee_ash6740 the vw diesels have tripled in hp numbers from mk1-mk6, thats significant.
I like European cars but damn cross plane v8s sound lovely
Most European cars with a v8 are cross plane Jaguar merc AMG BMW Audi and so on its really only European supercars that use flat plane v8s
@@Thanos.m Italian cars mostly have flat plane V8's
This is one of the best explanatory videos I've seen in my entire life.
Every show on Donut has a bit of science garage mixed in. Love it! ✊
This guy is sooo good at this. He does my favorite shows on Donut.
I still choose big daddy Nolan 💦
What about James 😥
I love the uneven American V8's.
Exactly. I prefer that sound 10 fold over the flatplane sound.
Me too, cross plane 4 cyls. (Yamaha R1) sound pretty fucking awesome too
Come on, guys, you're not at a toy store with your parents - you can have both.
Both are equally bad ass
Well done. You did a very good job explaining the flat/ cross plane differences. Also, nice job explaining center of gravity and polar moment of inertia. Someone was paying attention in physics class.
Donut has improved so much. So much great content! I feel like they need to start a TV channel, I'd always be tuned in! Keep it up guys!
Day one of asking James to do a up to speed on his dad
Sorry pagani gaming has been for almost 150 days...
Bruh
Another one?!
Day 1 of +1 for James's dads up to speed.
Day 1 of supporting your request.
The C8 corvette is my absolute dream car, especially because here in germany American cars are quite rare, I would love to have a red one when I'm old enough 😍
IIRC, Chevy are planning to sell the C8 in EU markets, so I guess you could go buy an EUDM one when it gets there
when i was there (just for uni), i think i saw quite an amount of mustangs.
and for the size of that town and how cumbersome it is to import a car, i just concluded they really love them.
You’re in the land of the best European sports cars and you want a corvette 😂
@@Looo0007 well today the Mustang is the second (sometimes third) popular Sportscar in germany behind the 911 and in some years it was placed behind the Audi TT. But yea something like a Corvette, Challenger, Escalade, Lincoln is exceptionally rare but my dad and I are always excited when we see one on the autobahn. I think at this point I saw more lamborghinis than challengers (only saw a Hellcat twice but it was so loud, it completely overshadowed our Engine-Sound) xD
@@realAlexChoi well first I need a license and the money 😅
This was such an incredible and most (EPIC!) inside and insightful look/explanation of what no other video nor person has made so entertaining yet educational… wow… I give you props… please keep this content coming… Awesome, awesome, awesome.
Great explanation and graphics on the crankshaft ! 👍
Adam LZ is shaking at his “who cares about vibration in a race car”
I mean it's not like it's the first time a car of his was on fire (though the damage was indeed worse) and he seemed to be handling it well (better than Colette for sure).
i love the sound of the cross-plane crank engine
I love the cross plane crank shaft sound it just sounds more powerful and its easier on the ears. But I cant deny the efficiency of a high screeching of a flat plane crank
Love the old school Mortal Kombat reference at 2:50. Great vid as always guys, one of my top channels to watch on TH-cam
Jeremiah is becoming one of my favorite hosts of Donut, keep it up man!
Donut media: mid engine is great!!
Me: *putting the engine in my van to the middle*
Tbh no matter what any manufacturer do my fav sound is the gmc 1978 k10 454 , that rumble dear god it sounds so good
i thought i knew the differences between these engines and i just learned so much from this video. everyone needs to watch this if for nothing else just the educational value of this video.
1:53 the CLEANEST transition god damn
1:52
Cross plane. I have a Hemi and I wouldn’t trade the sound of it for anything
This. Absolutely, man
I know that hemi is sounding sweet as hell but I do have to say I’m in love with them foreign tones 👂
So...not to nitpick here but the Shelby GT350 I drove was equipped with the Voodoo engine and actually does have a flat plane V8...... Looove you! No but for real, I do love you guys. Keep making amazing content. You guys make The 'Rona quarantine much more tolerable.
I always question the new guy a bit but really happy to see how you’ve become a great part of the donut team! Looking forward to new videos as always 👍
I miss Bart, but you're awesome! Kinda give me a mix of Jamies and Bart vibe lol keep the videos coming!!
Donut- mid engine is for expensive performance car
Me- laugh in my smart car
Isnt that more of a rear engine car?
Thats a rear engine micro car....there is absolutely no comparison!! Its like comparing a cheeta to a domestic house cat.
I just learned so much! Flat and cross plane explanation blew my mind!
Loving the show more each time, Jeremiah. You are killing it.
I was not too interested in the C8, but I've come around. I would love one.
That said, I don't think I need the flat plane crank. I'm no racer. I'd be using it as a touring car... one that I can tour the living hell out Western Canada with in record time. Rolling through the prairies of Alberta, through the sights of Kananaskis, and into the Rockies of British Columbia with my wife in the glorious cockpit of that luscious Corvette... sounds like a dream come true. That North American crossplane V8 would do just fine in that scenario.
Looks like I'm going back to Omaze.
I've seen a c8 about a month after its release I was at a gas station and the driver was getting beer
he must be rich af
@@nismo3871 no he was a GM employee
Does anyone know the source of the clip at 4:40? It just looks dope and I wanna see the whole thing
th-cam.com/video/yKPKf1rA7yE/w-d-xo.html
About 0:42 seconds in
Thank you so much for explaining. I really appreciate it ❤😊
I appreciated that demonstration because my understanding stopped at knowing what the cranks was.... that's it 😆.
Goddamn the C8 Stingray looks so good!!!
When I remember it's donut and turn down the volume just before coming in.
'sighs in relief'
A proper response from a carmaker to the public. Powerful, looks awesome, MID engine, relatively affordable for a car of its class.
Mad props Chevrolet 👌
He talked about the polar moment of inertia to explain why mid engine is better but it can be explain much simplier by talking about understeering : the less mass you have in the front, the less mass the less mass front tires tires have to fight against so for a same grip (to simplify) it will support more lateral G, so the solution is to move some mass away from the front.
It also makes the car easier to oversteer because his mass is on the rear but current cars' cornering speed is mostly limited by understeering
Saw one on the road today, thought it was a McLaren from afar and had to double take
Maybe it's time for an eye exam
You just made me love my mr2 even more.
I felt this, but then I remembered it hasn’t ran in two years 😔
@@AlexPerez-mb9sp Whats wrong with it? Mines been pretty reliable since I bought it and its 31 years old.
Guy with a Car lost compression and have been building it up ever since, it's almost done but just not quite ready, so close
Great breakout of what the two crank types are. I really appreciate the details!
Does everyone always forget that the Corvette has always been a mid-engine sports car since the C4. It just comes to show that most people don't know much about the Corvette. However when the engine is mounted behind the passengers in the middle of the car everything works more efficiently. But the Corvette since the seat for has always been made engine just in front of the passengers, like a Miata or an SLS.
Wow a new upload so early in the morning
I got here before this vid was a minute old by the way I love doughnut media :)
In germany at 6.04 pm
Jonas lel hmm for me it’s 11:24
Jonas lel oof
I just realized this is science garage’s replacement
This is slowly becoming my favorite show on Donut
I like how much I'm learning from this TH-cam channel
Me: "mom i learned some cool car stuff today!!"
Latina mom: "This is why you aren't married, have kids, and have a stable job."
Me: "playing with my car and pokemon games."
idea for Dlist: best cheap rwd cars (including vans, please)
That was really a great video! I appreciate the technical details on flat-plane versus cross-plane. Very informative. I am wondering if you can swap engines in the 2020 C8 as I have one. Thanks again!
Man what a great video. Good information and educational and most importantly NOT BORING>Good addition as a host to the crew
*you know what the [bleep] this is! This is Everything you need to know, to get up to speed, on My Dad!!!!!* (Up To Speed theme song plays)
Aah, the dream
Damn I wish my Strength of Materials professor explained polar moment of inertia this well 🥵
I've learned more things about cars from donut media in the past few days than I've ever learned in my life. So, a big thank you, guys!
These videos are AMAZING at teaching noobs like me how a car works. Keep up the great work!
After some time, automobile engineering students will ask him to take classes.
Remember when this was Science Garage?
i miss Bart :c
Ducko what happened to science garage and Bart? I miss em both. 🥺
YOOO THE WHEELCHAIR CAMERA DOLLY AT 10:18 😂 NIIIIIICE
I prefer the sounds of either V8 engine. They sound amazing no matter what and make power smoothly. I am definitely glad to hear that the good ol'e Corvette will be getting more technology, thank you GM. (: