This SDI Invalidates Fox's Waveshine

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ธ.ค. 2024

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  • @spongem8118
    @spongem8118 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    It's called unforbidden SDI as you can't SDI up when grounded (which people called forbidden SDI). So if you SDI offstage first you can then SDI up.

  • @ajuicejemas
    @ajuicejemas ปีที่แล้ว +130

    *kira bursts into the room*
    THE ONLY THING UNFORBIDDEN IS LOVING JESUS

  • @FoUr-ko1rs
    @FoUr-ko1rs ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Didn’t expect another SSBM Tutorials video. Lfg

  • @KalebSDay
    @KalebSDay ปีที่แล้ว +20

    As if JMOOK needed any more ways he could destroy foxes :(

    • @ch3rry833
      @ch3rry833 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nah, every fox just does upsmash there

  • @christainwebster8487
    @christainwebster8487 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It’s been a minute, missed you guys 🥰

  • @futurefox128
    @futurefox128 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Forbidden SDI is a very old term making its appearance as early as ~2005ish on smashboards iirc. Imagine if you WERE able to (A)SDI *up* while grounded, that would always easily give you a quick soft landing instead of the hitstunned sliding animation. The programmers saw this and prevented it for this special case. Note that this only applies when the attack is not a hard knockdown (i.e. can't be teched anyway)... So for the melee-physics-curious the attack must deal less than 80 knockback, which in case of Fox's shine is solely weight-dependent (which is also why famously Marth gets the knockdown in PAL).
    It applies for ALL attacks that have a 0° angle like the shine AND importantly also for grounded spikes

  • @DontLikeTryHards
    @DontLikeTryHards ปีที่แล้ว +19

    LMAO spark with the whats crackalackin applejacks opening is something I didn't know I needed in my life
    EDIT: Also, you mentioned holding shield to option select and protect against a late shine. Is the frame difference between shine and upsmash or uptilt enough that, if you know the poof-delay-ledgegrab setup, you can set yourself up to react to and counter any fox edgeguarding option? From my experience, I can mix things up with sweetspotting ledge vs getting ledge that foxes HAVE to get up late enough that they can only get a shine if they're purely reacting and not reading. Would you be able to confirm this information, or would you have any thoughts on this?

    • @futurefox128
      @futurefox128 ปีที่แล้ว

      upSmash vs shine is a 6 frame difference (7 vs 1). For the practicalities of your question I'm not sure unfortunately but I think it really depends on the exact timing, spacing and human reaction speed.

  • @Chrisuan
    @Chrisuan ปีที่แล้ว

    Forbidden SDI is the term for the fact that you can't SDI air->ground ever (you CAN ASDI that though).
    UnForbidden: here you SDI ground->air. Which is possible.
    No more crying for Spark!

  • @SSB_Seal
    @SSB_Seal ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for the info, Spark! Always glad to see a new SSBM-T video, especially when it's focused on Sheik

  • @SS4xShinobi
    @SS4xShinobi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Future topic idea: The options (including port priority) for both characters when falco down throws fox (at low, mid, and high percent) 👀

  • @Silverado-pq6xe
    @Silverado-pq6xe ปีที่แล้ว

    Good to see a new upload

  • @NotoriousDink
    @NotoriousDink ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can any of our leading scientists let me know if you can option select DI away quick enough after the ASDI so there is no mixup?

    • @NinjaLobsterStudios
      @NinjaLobsterStudios ปีที่แล้ว

      For upsmash, I believe the answer is yes due to its longer hitlag. Idk about utilt

  • @Danaatjebananaatje
    @Danaatjebananaatje ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Spark :>

  • @trilokshahi9361
    @trilokshahi9361 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    can fox walk a lil forward to push sheik as counterplay to make it hard, or is there no time?

  • @treegoats
    @treegoats ปีที่แล้ว +1

    HES BACK

  • @eddiestilll
    @eddiestilll ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i don't even main sheik but i enjoyed this entire vid :D

  • @abjoern
    @abjoern ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The recording is 6(?) frames slower than optimal, and you only got to shield 2 frames before shine.
    It's unrealistic to expect fox to be frame perfect ever time, but it seems like this doesn't guarantee that you'll escape

  • @Quoise_
    @Quoise_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is this just sparks channel now

  • @screenboss
    @screenboss ปีที่แล้ว

    Duuuude, get out of my head. I just found out I could do this last night 😧

  • @miniblob1093
    @miniblob1093 ปีที่แล้ว

    no way, man's alive

  • @hannahbriarly4192
    @hannahbriarly4192 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    SHOUTOUTS 2 JESUS

  • @mire_cs
    @mire_cs ปีที่แล้ว

    2:46 didnt know this

  • @t3cchan
    @t3cchan ปีที่แล้ว

    I LOVE ZAID

  • @DJSALTYNUTZ
    @DJSALTYNUTZ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I missed you

  • @noobfromcanadaland4062
    @noobfromcanadaland4062 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good vid

  • @Faulheit
    @Faulheit ปีที่แล้ว

    long time no see

  • @pablopa_SSBM
    @pablopa_SSBM ปีที่แล้ว

    goood tutorial

  • @Popmycherryyo
    @Popmycherryyo ปีที่แล้ว

    Been a while :o

  • @babblingduck9235
    @babblingduck9235 ปีที่แล้ว

    Am I a nerd if I knew the exact reason it’s called unforbidden DI without looking it up

  • @gotgud
    @gotgud ปีที่แล้ว

    let’s goooooo

  • @_Majunior
    @_Majunior ปีที่แล้ว

    Wuuuuuut

  • @ncsloficentral
    @ncsloficentral ปีที่แล้ว

    Sup buttercup

  • @Dayjer2002
    @Dayjer2002 ปีที่แล้ว

    E

  • @ryworze3190
    @ryworze3190 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does God approve of this?

  • @rayzamarripajr.7571
    @rayzamarripajr.7571 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow this is FU***** AMAZING 💯📈🤌