At 4:31, I was referring to Ken's lack of proof to his claim. Saying that there was proof, but not showing that proof. I was not referring to Fil's "undesputable proof" I got a few comments that made me want to clear that up
It’s not just that man… at 14:00 you start talking about how the debunkers are motivated by jealousy - Fil certainly doesn’t seem to be although nobody can truly know exactly what another’s motives are. You also say you feel sorry for Ken… he deserves all this and far more. The guy has smugly spent years blasting other singer’s live performances - as you mentioned with Mercury… Al green, Sebastian Bach, Dio… So yeah… he deserves it… and then he doubles down and denies his own fraud? He’s ridiculous… I think you’re off on those points. Otherwise good video.
@@datacipher That's not what I was saying. Especially in Fil's case. What I said was people who are jealous or envious will feast upon this kinda thing. That is just human nature. I had a bit to say about consete in my voical course as well, how you need to have humility no matter how talented you are or people will be just waiting for you to fall. You are right that Ken deserves this, and I did say that he brought it on himself. But for the sake of the video I wanted to come across more diplomatic so that I don't come across as someone who is jealous or envyus. I am totally with you on your point. But there are plenty of much more vicious videos on the topic and I wanted to show some class.
An ego problem, pure and simple. Ego over honesty. It isn't as though Fil (Wings of Pegasus) set out to destroy him. Somebody asked him to check out a video of Ken's, because he thought Ken was lip-syncing. That's was Fil does...he checks out videos people request. He objectively analyzed Ken's video and concurred about the lip-synching, using all the technical equipment he has. All of this brouhaha could have been avoided had Ken just admitted it. It wasn't a big deal that he lip-synched. He made it a big deal when he denied it.
I agree with that. I meant that many performers lip sync in live performances. It isn't so much that he did it, as that he denied doing it. And then deliberately ignored Fil's clarification and continued to strut like a peacock.
I appreciate this video and FIL from WINGS OF PEGASUS... they ARE NOT BASHING KEN they are just giving an honest analysis of what's going on!..my no talent *ss was on a Neumann U67.. and then a similar high dollar Manley mic.. you CANNOT GET OFF AXIS without hearing it
Ken had this coming for him a looooong way! Huge thanks to Wings of Pegasus and no, a backing track should NOT contain lead vocals, when they do we are talking about fraud, simple as that! Ken's constant acting more than he is got on many peoples nerves including mine, many others fell for it and it's good to see the light at the end of a dark tunnel of deception of dishonesty.
@@robertdouble559 how is Fil annoying? Because he exposed singers that use pitch correction, auto-tune, or if there's any dishonesty on the singer's/ production's part? I appreciate him for calling out dishonesty. But, more so, I appreciate his kindness in the callouts, such as with Celine Dion's video. He's incredibly kind to her, and she deserves that kindness. Sometimes, miming is necessary. Such as performing in the rain, for instance. Sometimes, it is, such as with Ken. Fil is just being as objective as he can be doing there analysis. I don't see him being cruel or annoying, just simply being logical and neutral in all these cases.
Fil,s analysis at Wings of Pegasus (like all of them) was complete, thorough and professional. He proves beyond any doubt Ken was using backing vocal tracks and is a liar in denying it. His ego prevents him from just being honest.
Yeah he just showed what he saw and he said many times too that he thinks Ken can sing and play guitar, so he was not trying to be mean to Ken just telling what he saw that Ken is not honest to his followers.
I think what sealed the deal for me was that one video where he’s in the studio and it’s supposed to be a live stream and Ken says “OK let’s see how it goes” and then you can clearly tell that he’s lip-synching 😂 and then after he was called out about it he deletes the video… that tells me everything I need to know.🤷♂️🤷♂️ he purposely posted videos called them live streams pretended that he’s singing in the room and then clearly was not that’s fraudulent behavior in my opinion
These past few days, I've done nothing but watch vocal coaches harshly criticizing Ken Tamplin in their TH-cam videos. I think he deserves every second of criticism, but these videos are easy to upload now, and it seems like pure opportunism to me. You, however, have addressed the topic respectfully, and that's worth mentioning
I am a classically trained, retired opera singer and vocal coach, and I can tell you that we have off nights as well. When you're not feeling well, I have a lot of techniques for singing over and thru it, but we do still have off nights. It is possible that someone in the audience might not notice, but we can go from effortless singing to working our asses off. I've watched a few of Ken's videos, and seeing his tongue made my throat hurt. Thank you for this video, Devon. We have a lot of the same beliefs in how to approach new singers (even tho we have very different styles), finding their strengths and building from there. Keep doing good work!
In Fil's (wings of Pegasus) defense, he did the first video analysis by request, as all his videos are. He is honest & really objective. He has no axe to grind or skin in the game. One of his favourite hands was once requested, he had to admit they were being pitch corrected, he was gutted! He still posted the video though.🤷🇬🇧
I never knew who KT was until this recent controversy. Since then, I have watched multiple channels for, mostly, entertainment purposes on the matter. By far, your interpretation is the most enlightening. Although I am not in search of a vocal coach, at the moment, you have earned yourself a new subscriber. Great analysis! ❤
My issue with KT is basically one thing. The fact that he makes a big deal that any teacher must be able to perform live, then mimes, is called out for it with objective proof, and then blatantly denies it. It's the dishonesty.. He's set himself on the top of a pedestall and his dishonesty is knocking himself off of it.
But then, how can he admit it if he feels it will destroy his credibility. The numbers in analysis don't lie, and I feel sad about it, because Ken is still a good singer and shouldn't need to mime on something billed a live performance.
Wings of Pegasus showed Ken Miming a guitar Solo too. That had me really shaking my head. Why pretend to play a guitar in your own studio?.... What is the point of that? Might as well just be playing Air Guitar. That's where it became dishonest. The singing bit by itself? meh. No one is going to begrudge a good singer a few mimed high notes during flu season, or whatever. But when put in context with the guitar "Solo". Then his integrity is damaged. Did it to himself. Then "Streisand Effected" it with his denials.
Bizarre too because you can get a sense within a couple of seconds that he's not playing that guitar. Then the ridiculous slides and impossible notes just confirm what is already obvious. He looks ridiculous
If it was a few mimed notes it wouldn't be a problem but he mimes whole songs on stage, haven't you seen the 1989/90 video which sounds exactly like the studio version? What a clown.
Was with him and his course for 3 years. In the end my voice got worse. Had 5 1-1 lessons w him. Spent thousands. I was under his “well spoken” indoctrination, until I wasn’t. Now I’m spending time undoing all the bad habits I got from “opening my mouth” super wide like he tells you to do. Worst mistake of my life. Fuck him. Now he’s getting exposed. And I’m here for it. And I’m making my own video soon all about my experience using his stuff.
Same. His program got me into a lot of bad habits. The emphasis on stretching chest voice did some weird things to my voice over time, and the nasal way he sings (and trains people to sing) made my singing sound whiny (IMO) and less full. It took me ages to deprogram myself and sing naturally again.
ok, but why didn't you dudes attend a real music school in which you can get a degree in music that also offers a singing course? why waste your time with vocal coaches? in my opinion if you want to be great you gotta attend a real music school like the ones all the great ones had attended. you could check your local college or conservatory those offer an education in music... why did you waste your time for 3 years? Dude what are you doing to yourself? i personally have a friend whose a music teacher at a local private high school that offers a singing program to their students. All of their students attend singing courses. I once asked him about those on line youtuber vocal coaches ,& he flat out told me based on his opinion he told me not to waste my time.. He told me go enroll in a real music school. we need a mentor not some on line course in my opinion. we need personal one on one mentoring the on line course work in my opinion isn't good enough we need real support structure.. & all those great singers started out as children with real mentors , unlike many of us that think a vocal on line course is gonna help us.. in my opinion it won't
@@Mr.PhatsVarietyVibesShow Who are "all the great ones" you speak of? What "real music school" did Elvis Presley, Freddie Mercury, Michael Jackson, and Steve Perry go to?
Thank you for this and also for mentioning Fil Henley's video from his Wings of Pegasus channel. Fil is one of my favorite guitar teachers and music analysts on TH-cam, he is amazing. Fil is painstakingly thorough and scientific in his videos, weather he's analyzing beloved classics, or pointing out the differences b/t auto tune and pitch correction, etc. not to mention his eye opening vids on this very controversy. I appreciate your unique insights as well!
I don’t hear anything unique in Ken’s voice. I don’t hear sincerity or passion. I’m also a vocalist. My training is in classical music. The Vaccai method. But I am best fit as a musical theater performer. I also sing pop ballads. “Getting good with what you have.” UNIQUE is the key. I will never be a superstar. My voice has its limitations. But every vocal teacher I’ve had has indeed helped me sing my best. My goal is to feel comfortable and passionate about singing. Thank you for this. I have respect for your take on this. And I’m a huge fan of Fil.
My jaw dropped when I heard that. Ken has the audacity to say that about Freddie Freaking Mercury?! Freddie, who was almost completely self-taught and only had a small amount of vocal training in 1977, two years after they released Bohemian Rhapsody? That Freddie Mercury?! Ken has a lot more hybris than I thought!
"and claims to be better" is the key point. No one expects sports coaches to be better on the field than their athletes, and I wouldn't expect a vocal coach to necessarily be a better singer than a professional performer - that doesn't mean they don't have legitimate constructive criticism to offer. But when a coach does claim to be better, you should be wary.
Fil's latest video uncovers even more deception he didnt even set out to bring up. He shows that KT isnt really playing the guitar in one clip where hes showing his supposed chops. Undisputable evidence ken is lying once again. His reputation and his business are toast. Fil dodnt go after ken. He simply granted a request by a subscriber to objectively analyze a video. When he did, and shated the results, ken wrnt after Fil and denied his findings then doybled down by denying them a second time. Ken should just quietly fade away at this point.
I'm 70 years old and I'm never going to be a rock star, but watching your video has given me inspiration to carry on with my little studio doing my own recording 😀😀🎵🎶🎶🎶🎶🎤🎤
"To play a wrong note is insignificant; to play without passion is inexcusable." A quote by Beethoven that is just as valid for vocals as it is for instruments.
Using backing tracks and lip syncing are two different things. When bands use backing tracks (which is quite common as Ken correctly states) they are complementing their live sound (typically with backing vocals and/or keyboards). When singers lip sync, the pre recorded lead vocal is there and the singer is pretending to be hitting those notes. The criticism that Ken is facing, especially of his 2020 live stream of Livin’ for my Lord (which Ken deleted from his channel but can now be seen elsewhere) is not about backing tracks, but lip syncing. The deletion of the original video is very telling.
@@devon-graves-studio-DI just watched your video, you were very clear about Fil, it looks like this commenter is backing up your point not disputing it 🤘🏼
Fil nailed it, what Ken has done there is no justification! Fil exposed him as he does people using auto tune. Ken is all BS and deserves all negative ,that comes his way. Wings of Pegasus Al way on point. Devin good for you. Integrity is so important again Ken screwed himself.
Im not buying the microphone excuse. I'm also a professional singer. He as a vocal coach should be able to demonstrate live regardless. What if a guitar teacher did the same? I wouldn't defend this.
I've watched Fil's video. How much more proof do you need? He proved it beyond any doubt. As Fil said it is impossible to recreate exactly the same wave form each time you sing the same piece.
I got it now... what I had said was that Ken showed no proof of HIS claim that he wasn't lip syncing. He only said there was proof. Only talk. Ken, not Fil. Sorry for the confusion. You are not the only one to say something.
@@devon-graves-studio-D I think you should add a pinned comment (and in description maybe?) with the correction and the timestamp so that it's cleared up...
Ken has a jealous missed the boat attitude against 70's and 80's singers no matter how great they were. He covers their stuff and finds ways to put them down because he is angry inside he didn't get in on the fame and fortune that we're available to obtain then that are now not possible. Ken needs to spend his time recording and pushing his songs hoping maybe just one will catch on and bring him a small amount of what isn't nearly as available as it was 40 or 50 years ago.... the fame, glory and money. He will never be Brian Johnson, Bon Scott, Coverdale, Plant, Brad Delp, Dio, Steve Perry let alone Freddie Mercury. Music does not have the value it once did and live music in most cases is not completely live anymore. Ken has a great career in comedy ahead of him if he wants. Waiting for his course on how to be humble.
Ken has a lot of behaviors of a narcissist. His ego is so fragile. He never admits doing wrong or having limitations. He is jealous of other's success.
I'm a singer as well, I've not put anything on here for a while, but I can recognise straight away if someone is miming, and to have a go at some of the greatest singers of all time and say they are bad is a very egotistical angle to go with. Thankyou for the video dude, new subscriber.
@@crosswalklarry of course, if their observant, but obviously, there are loads of people out there who cannot tell , hence they still support what ken is saying.
@@jimmybondy9450 yea definitely, I didn't say I'm a singer to sound like a big head or anything, hope people don't think that. I just meant I can notice that's all. But yeah it's pretty obvious to everyone now.
@28:00 "Once it comes to that" [lip syncing] "my career is over." Exactly. I retired in 2008 at age 37, because autoimmune disease took away my core strength, and I no longer have the vocal control I used to have. Oh, I can still sing, but not like before. I was struggling to hit my notes, much less hold them. If I did succeed, my body would be in so much pain that I often couldn't even walk for days after a gig. (Singing is a lot more physically taxing than many people realize!) Then I'd finally recover, only to have another gig. Lather, rinse, repeat. It was hell. It broke my heart, and honestly it still does, but I couldn't deliver the performances that I'd been known for, and my illness was progressing. I felt that I had no choice. I had a very heated argument with someone just a few weeks ago. This guy was insisting that I should just use autotune. (He also suggested lip synching.) I told him that I would never lower myself to putting my voice through a computer and faking it. I told him that I was a professional, and I was 100% authentic, and I would rather never perform again than to fake it. He thought I was ridiculous, but I still have my integrity.
I feel for you. To a singer losing one's voice is a bit like losing your eyesight. Such a big part of you. Even so I understand your decision and I salute your integrity ❤
@@jcxz100 Thank you. It was one of the most difficult decisions I've had to make in all of my 53 years. To say that I don't regret it sometimes would be a lie, but I know it was the right thing to do. I still do karaoke or open mic a couple/few times a year, and about one small gig a year if my body allows me, just to get my ya-yas out, but my career is certainly over. It took a long time to really accept it, long after I made the choice to retire.
Ken thinks he's better then Freddie Mercury and says he's better then Sebastian Bach who still sounds pretty damn good all these years latter . I never heard of Tamplin been a working Guitarist for 40 years ??
I'm sorry but if you think Sebastian Bach still sounds good after all these years then you need some help. I'm not a skid row hater or Sebastian Bach hater by any means but Sebastian sounds like crap. He might be able to do a few songs here and there well but overall, he's not good and he needs to just stop. And whether you want to admit it or not, even though he was really good back in the day, I watched some of his older live videos and even back then he couldn't hit a lot of the notes that he did in the studio. That's the way it is with a lot of singers but I guess so tired of people acting like Sebastian Bach was all that as well as sliced bread and his bag of chips. He was never that great even back in the day but he is definitely not even remotely close to good nowadays. He's just not good. There are plenty of videos out there to back up my comments. If you want to ignore the truth, that's fine but it doesn't make it any less true. As far as Freddie Mercury goes, Freddy was great. I think most people would agree.
@@eldridge201, Will you concede that Sebastian Bach is slightly less cringy than KT? Both are full of themselves, and both are mediocre singers, at best. Tamplin is harming others, with his singing program.
@@SuziQ. when you asked me to concede if Sebastian Bach is slightly less cringey than Ken tamplin, what do you mean as far as less cringey in what regard specifically? If you were talking about the singing ability of either singer, to be honest, I have barely listened to anything from Ken Tamplin and only have a small sample to go off of. I'm going to be straight up here and say that I actually liked skid row and some of their music when I was growing up because it was right around my middle and into my high school years so it was probably perfect for a person like me. Even though I wasn't necessarily into the more grunge rock type of music like Skid Row was, I liked their songs. I believe I bought their first album. But, I wasn't some super huge fan by any means. I just simply liked their songs. However, I already stated that I've listened to Sebastian Bach here and there over the years and watch some of his videos recently over the last few years and maybe even as much as 5 and 10 years ago and the bottom line is, he sucks. Even though I can't stand what Ken Tamplin has done and is doing, even though I've only watched the videos over on wings of Pegasus channel, I'm assuming based on those videos that Kim can actually still sing even though he's not the greatest out there as other people are saying that he claims to come off as. If I had to compare the two based on my small sample size, I would probably say that Ken can actually sing better than Sebastian bach. But again, I would have to watch more videos of either singer and they're more recent years to compare the two to give a fair and honest assessment. Again, I'm only going off of what I've seen and I've seen a lot more of Sebastian bach. Now, as far as Tamplin harming others with his singing program and fraud, I completely disagree with that and I think Ken is a pile of crap for doing that over the years. So, if you are referring to being cringy or cringe-worthy based on fraudulently scamming people to get them to pay to have vocal schooling or lessons through him, then hands down I think it would be can that is the bigger prick or more cringe-worthy than Sebastian Bach in that regard. But, again, it depends on if you're talking about their singing ability only or if you're talking about other things. Hopefully my response gives you my answer.
@@eldridge201 , I was referring to how they’re both full of themselves. I’m not familiar with Ken’s singing, aside from the short clips in recent videos about the fraud. He appears to be yelling without musicality. I also bought the first Skid Row album. Sebastian seemed less conceited back then. He has not taken care of his voice.
Thank you for your humble, practical approach. Ego is not a component of good teaching/coaching and should be avoided at all costs. I hope you get lots of new students/subscribers!
The problem with Tamplin is that every song he sings, including the covers, sounds exactly like Tamplin and his heavily nasally tone wrecks every classic song he attempts.
We all have off days with our voice. As the lead singer in a local group for a very long time, every time I sang the same songs over and over again, each performance was different.
Wow! I am impressed with this guy. Articulate, polite, knowledgeable, and not afraid to speak the truth without being overbearing. So rare, these days. I believe Fil from Wings of Pegasus also gives off these vibes. He's only speaking truths and always polite while doing so. New subscriber, here!
It's refreshing to hearing someone just talk honestly and without all the pampering or boasting. Alex O'Connor comes to mind, whom I really admire for similar reasons. Keep up the good work! You got yourself a new subscriber :)
i am the guy that once apon a time at athens at a bar devon was singing and playing an acoustic guitar. I had my magic moment when devon said that he will play lady in rain, i stop him to wait to go and pee hahahahaha i couldnt hold my self anymore and he was going to play one of my favorites so i did the most obvious thing!?!?!?!, told him to wait to take a pee... and he waited hahahahhaah and yes i have washed my hands too hahahaha ( he asked me) thanks for that. you want remember any of that but i do 😃. My point is that you are one of the best singers i heard live just with an acoustic guitar you and Jeff Martin and i have to say who ever do lessons with you i am pretty sure that he will elevate his quality of his singing. One of the best truly live and studio. Thanks for all those good moments for about 30 years now, of listening your music
@@devon-graves-studio-D i was there with my vocal coach (obviously a fan of yours) who he is one of the best coaces in greece and trust me (that goes to whoever read this) if Nick says WTF men for your singing it is wtf.
I really like the way you put it as going with a person’s strengths! The Jim Morrison example! Perfect example ! Very awesomely said friend ! ⚡️space ace ron⚡️
Unscripted, grounded, knowledgeable, genuine content. Congrats once more to this excellent channel. Unfortunately I just can’t sing so won‘t have any chance to find out about your qualities as a vocal coach. But having seen you live a number of times, I can tell everyone who‘s interested that the way Devon brings together singing with power, character and atmosphere, the most refined vocal melodies and uniquely crafted lyrics is just so remarkable.
I've been a real music lover since forever and a subscriber to Wings of Pegasus since 2020. I've stumbled onto your channel as a result of the Ken Tamplin controversy which spun up as a result of Fil Henley's vocal analysis of Ken's live performances. After listening to you on this video, especially your explanation of your approach to vocal coaching, I will subscribe to your channel. I've been practicing my singing a lot since the pandemic with all that spare time on my hands and have been pleasantly surprised by how helpful all of that 'practice' has been. I can now hold a tune all on my own without singing along with my favourite classic rock singers. If I were someone wishing to improve my professional singing voice, then I would definitely be attracted to your philosophy of vocal coaching and be interested in trying your course!
Beautifully and tastefully done video. Anyone who wants to be well informed about this, needs only to watch this video and Wings of Pegasus original analysis, imo. Your humility is felt and appreciated; thank you for not being mean-spirited. I believe your channel will grow exponentially because of your sincerity and kindness. Peace
Underneath all of this I believe lies another problem that not many singers talk about - the expectations of some "expert" listeners. I saw Katy Perry sing live on TV the other day and she apologized for not hitting some of the notes in full chest voice but transitioning to mixed voice instead to protect her vocal folds. She still sounded great to me and she only did what a good singer does to avoid health issues, still she obviously felt like she needed to apologize... And part of me thinks it was quite decent of her to even bring this up, making listeners aware who wouldn't have noticed and the other part, that's the singer in me was angry. Angry at the judgmental mindset so many ignorant listeners have that things like that are a sign of failure, that she "couldn't do it properly" which is just sad. The very same note can sound a little differently but when the pitch is spot on it absolutely shouldn't matter how the singer had to get there and only a bad singer would try to meet the expectations ignorant listeners have and run the risk of getting hurt. The voice is not always the same every day, sometimes you just have to adapt to the way it works and sing differently. This should be seen as a sign of professionalism, not as failure because, as I said, she still sounded good...
Great video! Really enjoyed it! Ken is a clown 🤡 he loves himself so much it’s actually frightening. I simply commented on one of his videos on Facebook asking how his voice kept protecting sounds, but yet his mouth was closed. He deleted the comment and blocked me on Facebook. Quite funny. Cheers
Ken is being deceptive. He says he's not lip synching or miming. His contention seems to be that since he's making sounds while his lips are moving, whether or not anyone can hear them, he's technically not miming. Mimes are silent. But he doesn't articulate it that way. He just denies.
This is a good point actually, but there's a lot of things in this story (I've found it grimly fascinating as I'd love to sing consistently well) that build up a picture of long-term dishonesty. I think it's the kind of dishonestly that just comes from having a huge ego - Ken simply can't see himself or portray himself as anything less than the best at all times. People are kind of getting tired of this ego act in general maybe (or I hope lol!). There is nothing wrong with a little humility and vulnerability in life, it helps you see the bigger pictures surely. Or maybe I should just come off Twitter for a bit!
@@mattlewis5095 Ken is a scammer. This is not my opinion or conjecture, this is fact. Exposing scammers is a public service. Hopefully more content creators will join in the "chorus". Cheers!
Ken Tampontin. Hahaha! He's going viral as a total fool. Nearly everyone in the music industry at every level is hacking on him. If I was him I'd take down my TH-cam channel, change my name, and never show my face in public again.
Anyone who has to 'Self-Proclaim' puts up a red flag for me. It tells me that your not all that you 'Proclaim' to be if others aren't doing so for you. By the way I really enjoyed your video.
Hi Devon, Composer/Songwriter here but not a great singer though I can sing I have health concerns that blow out my voice easily c'est la vie. Your video is one of few delivered with a sense of graciousness without throwing Ken under the bus. I will check out your channel and course and I subbed Cheers!
Idk the Guitar parts I saw he definitely wasn't playing anything remotely close to what was coming through the speakers. There were extra notes that couldn't have been possible on the guitar he was using, missing bends, weird vibrato and his pick hand not matching the rhythm. Not saying he can't play at all just pointing out that it's more than just Lip Syncing issues, his massively over inflated ego and the lies. Don't feel bad for him, he brought this on Himself, no one else. 🤷 This could've went away and been forgotten about be he doubled down with Bot Accounts and even more lies, so he's getting his Just Desserts for bearing false witness.
Hey Devon, very old fan here. Still remember getting the 4-Track PW Demo back in the day. Good luck with all your endeavors! Hope to get another album from you eventually, no matter with which band or under which moniker ;-). Cheers from Germany. Oh and thanks for the recent PW reissues on vinyl!
yeah he has a rich history. I used to talk to him when he worked in my local music store. Still got my Aslan tape (pre-PW) and still holds up all these years.
Always loved your Dead Soul Tribe albums and the latest Psychotic Waltz is amazing. Your voice is immediately recognizable which is a gift. Can‘t wait for new music.
Hello from Australia. Subscribed, because of Nightwish (with Floor), then Nightwish reactions by singing teachers, then Fil, now here. Thanks algorithm.
I appreciate you dealing the topic brought up by Ken Tamblyn not being open and honest about what he does. Glad you recognized the quality of Fil/Wings of Pegasus's reaction video.
@zoteck9177, That word doesn't mean what you think it means. Narcissistic Personality Disorder NPD is a mental illness that inflicts somewhere between 10%-15% of the population. It's one of the Cluster B personality disorders. These are some of the most harmful people in society.
All performers have to be slightly narcissistic. Basically, whether singer, instrumentalist or actor, we go out on stage (or film) and say to total strangers, “look at me, see what I can do!”. Without a touch of narcissism, we would freeze up completely. I’ve been performing (musician then later vocalist) since I was 7. I’m now 67, and for the first 10 years, while I could play in a group, any time I had to solo, or call attention directly upon myself, I almost threw up from nerves. It took that long to build my confidence and realize that people appreciated what I had to offer. I am and will forever be eternally grateful to the audiences that have been so supportive of my efforts.
The only things Ken seems qualified to teach are: singing for a Skid Row tribute act, and creeping people out with your tongue. The arrogant smirk always bothered me on his song analysis videos. Those feel like an excuse for him to show off how well he thinks HE can sing their stuff. Which of course, he can't. (unless it's 80s metal)
You mentioned Ken throwing shade on Freddie Mercury for going flat on the last note... I would rather hear a few imperfections during a performance when a singer has been overcome with emotion... My personal opinion... if you want it to sound exactly like the album... save your money.. stay home.. listen to the albums there! I have followed loads of local bands.. and I sometimes I prefer the live over the album. Both in the vocals and instrumental.
Thank you for being honest, very refreshing. Ken has created this monster because of his ego. Most ," Great" singers if asked would say they were ,"ok" and down play their ability. Ken wants to be recognized so badly that he turns people off with his ego.
A SM 58 has always been the standard in live settings and still is to this day. I cracks me up when I see a singer or especially a rapper who puts their hands around the mic screen and takes away most of the dynamic frequencies! Ps, it also doubles as a hammer if you need one.
I just subscribed, I want to check your stuff out...just by listening to this...I feel i am going to learn from you. And I see you said what i said about the tounge is bizzare, Its pulling out muscles that are not needed
The funny thing is Wings Of Pegasus left it at basically one analysis video until Ken made a very silly rebuttal literally forcing Fil to bring a whole lot more to the table and of course rightly brought attention to Kens nonsensical over-the-top reaction to his analysis. Very stupid and probably too late to recover. What's the lyrics Ken? "Aqualung my friend don’t you start away uneasy. You poor old sod, you see, it’s only me" So why lie especially to your friends?
Devon. I’m so glad and truly thankful that you have a TH-cam channel. I learn something with every passing video you make. Also your musical taste and sensibilities are incredibly intriguing. Maybe you could tech Ken that? 😂. I know probably not, but the guy is on a bit of a high horse. 😮
No offense but... who even are you? I am by no means defending Ken but I don't think he has to jump on every challenge from every random stranger who has no following or anything at all. I've been following the Ken drama since the second it dropped and then scoured youtube for every tidbit I could find, yet I don't recognize your name or picture... And to be accurate, I've been following the drama since Tristan Paredes exposed him YEARS ago lol
@@tomcook2040 Just some dork looking for attention most likely. "I challenge you to a sing off!" .. Give me a break with this stuff. So many pathetic people online it's just baffling. 😆
I have zero to none musical/vocal/instrumental experience or knowledge, but I love listening to music. In my completely uneducated opinion, I always thought something was off when Ken was singing or playing guitar. It just never looked like it was in sync, but I figured I just didn’t understand how recording worked. I usually only watched his channel when he was breaking down specific bands/singers performances which I thought was very interesting, but I just couldn’t stomach watching him sing.
@@devon-graves-studio-D that album in particular played a huge part in my life and it still does and sorry for hijacking this for my selfish desire to thank you and the rest of the band for it as it was incredibly helpful to me. So.. thank you :).
At 4:31, I was referring to Ken's lack of proof to his claim. Saying that there was proof, but not showing that proof. I was not referring to Fil's "undesputable proof" I got a few comments that made me want to clear that up
It’s not just that man… at 14:00 you start talking about how the debunkers are motivated by jealousy - Fil certainly doesn’t seem to be although nobody can truly know exactly what another’s motives are. You also say you feel sorry for Ken… he deserves all this and far more. The guy has smugly spent years blasting other singer’s live performances - as you mentioned with Mercury… Al green, Sebastian Bach, Dio… So yeah… he deserves it… and then he doubles down and denies his own fraud? He’s ridiculous…
I think you’re off on those points. Otherwise good video.
@@datacipher That's not what I was saying. Especially in Fil's case. What I said was people who are jealous or envious will feast upon this kinda thing. That is just human nature. I had a bit to say about consete in my voical course as well, how you need to have humility no matter how talented you are or people will be just waiting for you to fall. You are right that Ken deserves this, and I did say that he brought it on himself. But for the sake of the video I wanted to come across more diplomatic so that I don't come across as someone who is jealous or envyus. I am totally with you on your point. But there are plenty of much more vicious videos on the topic and I wanted to show some class.
He also said that he reached some sort of God's level... So, I don't care if he can or can't sing.. He's disgusting. Period.
I'd much rather watch you than Ken.
@@scottjensen1513 Thank you!
An ego problem, pure and simple. Ego over honesty. It isn't as though Fil (Wings of Pegasus) set out to destroy him. Somebody asked him to check out a video of Ken's, because he thought Ken was lip-syncing. That's was Fil does...he checks out videos people request. He objectively analyzed Ken's video and concurred about the lip-synching, using all the technical equipment he has. All of this brouhaha could have been avoided had Ken just admitted it. It wasn't a big deal that he lip-synched. He made it a big deal when he denied it.
Dissenting Opinion: singing teacher should not lip-synch sitting in his own studio.
I agree with that. I meant that many performers lip sync in live performances. It isn't so much that he did it, as that he denied doing it. And then deliberately ignored Fil's clarification and continued to strut like a peacock.
Agreed. Ken comes across like an Ametican TV evangelist.
Ken Tampering 🤷♂
@@lizardas So lip-synching in live shows is acceptable now? Sigh...
Fil is a really honest, kind person. You earned my subscription. Keep creating good content.
He's the best. So down to earth and genuine. Not selling anything just making great content.
Really like Fil’s channel , he’s interesting and honest , he reacts to the best singers .
Same!! I appreciate knowledgeable, honest teachers!! Been a fan of Fil's channel forever and now am subscribed to this guy, too!!
FIL is really a good musician too
Ditto
Thank you Wings Of Pegasus!!
I appreciate this video and FIL from WINGS OF PEGASUS... they ARE NOT BASHING KEN they are just giving an honest analysis of what's going on!..my no talent *ss was on a Neumann U67.. and then a similar high dollar Manley mic.. you CANNOT GET OFF AXIS without hearing it
Ken had this coming for him a looooong way! Huge thanks to Wings of Pegasus and no, a backing track should NOT contain lead vocals, when they do we are talking about fraud, simple as that! Ken's constant acting more than he is got on many peoples nerves including mine, many others fell for it and it's good to see the light at the end of a dark tunnel of deception of dishonesty.
If only others had the honesty that Fil Wings of Pegasus displays what a different world this would be.
Well. The world world be a very pedantic place. This comment is in no way a defense of Ken, ken is pure shite. But Fil is quite annoying too.
@@robertdouble559 how is Fil annoying? Because he exposed singers that use pitch correction, auto-tune, or if there's any dishonesty on the singer's/ production's part? I appreciate him for calling out dishonesty. But, more so, I appreciate his kindness in the callouts, such as with Celine Dion's video. He's incredibly kind to her, and she deserves that kindness.
Sometimes, miming is necessary. Such as performing in the rain, for instance. Sometimes, it is, such as with Ken. Fil is just being as objective as he can be doing there analysis. I don't see him being cruel or annoying, just simply being logical and neutral in all these cases.
Fil performs an objective analysis and a subjective summary. A good balance,
Fil,s analysis at Wings of Pegasus (like all of them) was complete, thorough and professional. He proves beyond any doubt Ken was using backing vocal tracks and is a liar in denying it. His ego prevents him from just being honest.
Don’t forget Fil does only requests. Somebody unknowingly dragged him into this debate.
Yeah he just showed what he saw and he said many times too that he thinks Ken can sing and play guitar, so he was not trying to be mean to Ken just telling what he saw that Ken is not honest to his followers.
I think what sealed the deal for me was that one video where he’s in the studio and it’s supposed to be a live stream and Ken says “OK let’s see how it goes” and then you can clearly tell that he’s lip-synching 😂 and then after he was called out about it he deletes the video… that tells me everything I need to know.🤷♂️🤷♂️ he purposely posted videos called them live streams pretended that he’s singing in the room and then clearly was not that’s fraudulent behavior in my opinion
Especially when he's selling shit based upon his performance
Yeah..that was so cringe. I believe he didn’t even play the guitar in that one. He just air played off the strings.
Yeah... cut and dried !
These past few days, I've done nothing but watch vocal coaches harshly criticizing Ken Tamplin in their TH-cam videos. I think he deserves every second of criticism, but these videos are easy to upload now, and it seems like pure opportunism to me. You, however, have addressed the topic respectfully, and that's worth mentioning
This Ken guy has a serious ego problem, if you call yourself the best in the world then there is seriously something wrong with you 😂
They all do.
Mental illness. Narcissist.
Dimash would blow him out of the water, and doesnt have the huge ego despite that...
Like Elon Musk ? You must have big ego to dream and evolve.
@@kipponi No it’s not a must, by the way nice nickname Elon Must 😂
I am a classically trained, retired opera singer and vocal coach, and I can tell you that we have off nights as well. When you're not feeling well, I have a lot of techniques for singing over and thru it, but we do still have off nights. It is possible that someone in the audience might not notice, but we can go from effortless singing to working our asses off. I've watched a few of Ken's videos, and seeing his tongue made my throat hurt. Thank you for this video, Devon. We have a lot of the same beliefs in how to approach new singers (even tho we have very different styles), finding their strengths and building from there. Keep doing good work!
Exactly, Ken's "parrot- tongue" when he "tries" to sing is so "out there?" He is a back-sliding, egotistical wannabe!
I'm not a trained singer (singing just happened in my life), but I'm pretty sure that tongue is not right, also very ugly and disgusting to see...
@andybricks576, his tongue reminds me of a reptile's.
In Fil's (wings of Pegasus) defense, he did the first video analysis by request, as all his videos are.
He is honest & really objective. He has no axe to grind or skin in the game.
One of his favourite hands was once requested, he had to admit they were being pitch corrected, he was gutted! He still posted the video though.🤷🇬🇧
*bands
lol axe to grind is a Ken tamplin album
I never knew who KT was until this recent controversy. Since then, I have watched multiple channels for, mostly, entertainment purposes on the matter. By far, your interpretation is the most enlightening. Although I am not in search of a vocal coach, at the moment, you have earned yourself a new subscriber. Great analysis! ❤
Thank you friend!
My issue with KT is basically one thing. The fact that he makes a big deal that any teacher must be able to perform live, then mimes, is called out for it with objective proof, and then blatantly denies it. It's the dishonesty.. He's set himself on the top of a pedestall and his dishonesty is knocking himself off of it.
But then, how can he admit it if he feels it will destroy his credibility. The numbers in analysis don't lie, and I feel sad about it, because Ken is still a good singer and shouldn't need to mime on something billed a live performance.
My problem with KT is that he is a raging jerk.
He painted himself into a corner.
You only have to watch the 'style' of his denial to realise that he is bullshitting. A 'politician response'.
This is the biggest issue (out of the many) that come up out of this whole situation. I agree 100%
Wings of Pegasus showed Ken Miming a guitar Solo too. That had me really shaking my head. Why pretend to play a guitar in your own studio?.... What is the point of that? Might as well just be playing Air Guitar. That's where it became dishonest. The singing bit by itself? meh. No one is going to begrudge a good singer a few mimed high notes during flu season, or whatever. But when put in context with the guitar "Solo". Then his integrity is damaged. Did it to himself. Then "Streisand Effected" it with his denials.
Bizarre too because you can get a sense within a couple of seconds that he's not playing that guitar. Then the ridiculous slides and impossible notes just confirm what is already obvious. He looks ridiculous
@@tinkertailor7385 I play the best air guitar in the world, just ask me 🤣
@@tinkertailor7385 yeah just play air guitar then? lol
If it was a few mimed notes it wouldn't be a problem but he mimes whole songs on stage, haven't you seen the 1989/90 video which sounds exactly like the studio version? What a clown.
Plus the guy doesn't need to he's actually good
This Ken dude appears to be a legend in his own mind.
Actually, he is somewhat of a legend in Christian music.
Legend in his own bedtime.
@@jonathanlivingstonseagull3378 he has a new name its Ken tampon 😂
@@timbrown6629Key word, Christian Music. Aka bullshit music. 🤣
A legend in his own Christian mind then lol @@timbrown6629
Was with him and his course for 3 years. In the end my voice got worse.
Had 5 1-1 lessons w him. Spent thousands. I was under his “well spoken” indoctrination, until I wasn’t. Now I’m spending time undoing all the bad habits I got from “opening my mouth” super wide like he tells you to do. Worst mistake of my life. Fuck him.
Now he’s getting exposed. And I’m here for it.
And I’m making my own video soon all about my experience using his stuff.
Same. His program got me into a lot of bad habits. The emphasis on stretching chest voice did some weird things to my voice over time, and the nasal way he sings (and trains people to sing) made my singing sound whiny (IMO) and less full. It took me ages to deprogram myself and sing naturally again.
ok, but why didn't you dudes attend a real music school in which you can get a degree in music that also offers a singing course? why waste your time with vocal coaches? in my opinion if you want to be great you gotta attend a real music school like the ones all the great ones had attended. you could check your local college or conservatory those offer an education in music...
why did you waste your time for 3 years?
Dude what are you doing to yourself?
i personally have a friend whose a music teacher at a local private high school that offers a singing program to their students. All of their students attend singing courses.
I once asked him about those on line youtuber vocal coaches ,& he flat out told me based on his opinion he told me not to waste my time.. He told me go enroll in a real music school. we need a mentor not some on line course in my opinion. we need personal one on one mentoring the on line course work in my opinion isn't good enough we need real support structure.. & all those great singers started out as children with real mentors , unlike many of us that think a vocal on line course is gonna help us..
in my opinion it won't
@Mr.PhatsVarietyVibesShow, Why don't you hush. These people were duped by Ken Tampontin.
@@Mr.PhatsVarietyVibesShowSame reason people get sucked into cults and multi-level marketing scams and stay in.
@@Mr.PhatsVarietyVibesShow Who are "all the great ones" you speak of? What "real music school" did Elvis Presley, Freddie Mercury, Michael Jackson, and Steve Perry go to?
Thank you for this and also for mentioning Fil Henley's video from his Wings of Pegasus channel. Fil is one of my favorite guitar teachers and music analysts on TH-cam, he is amazing. Fil is painstakingly thorough and scientific in his videos, weather he's analyzing beloved classics, or pointing out the differences b/t auto tune and pitch correction, etc. not to mention his eye opening vids on this very controversy. I appreciate your unique insights as well!
I appreciate that my friend!
I don’t hear anything unique in Ken’s voice. I don’t hear sincerity or passion. I’m also a vocalist. My training is in classical music. The Vaccai method. But I am best fit as a musical theater performer. I also sing pop ballads.
“Getting good with what you have.” UNIQUE is the key. I will never be a superstar. My voice has its limitations. But every vocal teacher I’ve had has indeed helped me sing my best. My goal is to feel comfortable and passionate about singing.
Thank you for this. I have respect for your take on this. And I’m a huge fan of Fil.
Anyone who has the nerve to criticise Freddie, and claims to be better, is truly delusional and so arrogant!!
Narcissists live in a fantasy in their mind.
My jaw dropped when I heard that. Ken has the audacity to say that about Freddie Freaking Mercury?! Freddie, who was almost completely self-taught and only had a small amount of vocal training in 1977, two years after they released Bohemian Rhapsody? That Freddie Mercury?!
Ken has a lot more hybris than I thought!
Freddie is a goat, but in some of his criticisms I do see a point.
Ugh...I did not know about this, what an incredibly arrogant A hole. And I already didn't like him. Classic example of Legend in his Own Mind 🙄
"and claims to be better" is the key point. No one expects sports coaches to be better on the field than their athletes, and I wouldn't expect a vocal coach to necessarily be a better singer than a professional performer - that doesn't mean they don't have legitimate constructive criticism to offer. But when a coach does claim to be better, you should be wary.
Ken is a NARCISSIST. Narcissists lie EVERY DAY. I know this because my brother was one, and I know one when I see one.
Yep it's pretty blatant isn't it! Can't stand him or his voice.
@@Katerina9256 Yes. Once you know what to look for it's obvious. Dude's a mess. Needs talk therapy SEVERELY.
Fil's latest video uncovers even more deception he didnt even set out to bring up.
He shows that KT isnt really playing the guitar in one clip where hes showing his supposed chops. Undisputable evidence ken is lying once again.
His reputation and his business are toast.
Fil dodnt go after ken. He simply granted a request by a subscriber to objectively analyze a video. When he did, and shated the results, ken wrnt after Fil and denied his findings then doybled down by denying them a second time.
Ken should just quietly fade away at this point.
I find Ken's voice very unpleasant. But that's just my personal taste.
No his singing voice is not pleasant at all, I commented that his technique is terrible but didn’t reply
Agreed. And his personality is worse.
Terrible voice, I can't watch him.
I'm 70 years old and I'm never going to be a rock star, but watching your video has given me inspiration to carry on with my little studio doing my own recording 😀😀🎵🎶🎶🎶🎶🎤🎤
I have a problem with cheats and liars. Call me old fashioned…
Ok you’re old fashioned. lol. You asked for it. Another old joke.
Freddy's imperfections was perfection music shouldn't be clinical, it's not natural
"To play a wrong note is insignificant; to play without passion is inexcusable." A quote by Beethoven that is just as valid for vocals as it is for instruments.
Using backing tracks and lip syncing are two different things. When bands use backing tracks (which is quite common as Ken correctly states) they are complementing their live sound (typically with backing vocals and/or keyboards). When singers lip sync, the pre recorded lead vocal is there and the singer is pretending to be hitting those notes. The criticism that Ken is facing, especially of his 2020 live stream of Livin’ for my Lord (which Ken deleted from his channel but can now be seen elsewhere) is not about backing tracks, but lip syncing. The deletion of the original video is very telling.
Don’t forget the “finger syncing” too when he mimes playing guitar live.
Fil showed conclusive evidence as good as a fingerprint that Ken lip syncs in live performances.
It's true. Did I misspeak about that? Someone else commented similarly as if I said otherwise.
@@devon-graves-studio-DI just watched your video, you were very clear about Fil, it looks like this commenter is backing up your point not disputing it 🤘🏼
Fil nailed it, what Ken has done there is no justification! Fil exposed him as he does people using auto tune. Ken is all BS and deserves all negative ,that comes his way. Wings of Pegasus Al way on point. Devin good for you. Integrity is so important again Ken screwed himself.
Subbed.. You're channel will grow.. someday fast. Love your pleasant and articulate disposition.
Thank you!
Same here!
Discovered this channel thanks to Fil.
Subbed.
Thanks Devon!
Im not buying the microphone excuse. I'm also a professional singer. He as a vocal coach should be able to demonstrate live regardless. What if a guitar teacher did the same? I wouldn't defend this.
I've watched Fil's video. How much more proof do you need? He proved it beyond any doubt. As Fil said it is impossible to recreate exactly the same wave form each time you sing the same piece.
I mut have misspoken somnehow. Yes, I saw his video which was what prompted me to chime in. The proof is insedputable.
I got it now... what I had said was that Ken showed no proof of HIS claim that he wasn't lip syncing. He only said there was proof. Only talk. Ken, not Fil. Sorry for the confusion. You are not the only one to say something.
@@devon-graves-studio-D I think you should add a pinned comment (and in description maybe?) with the correction and the timestamp so that it's cleared up...
@@musanetesakupwanya1050 I did just that. Thank you for mentioning.
Okay, it wasn’t just me reading it wrong. I’ll edit my comment again. I thought I messed up and was unnecessarily rude.
Ken has been found out. I am not talking about the lip syncing, but that he is full of shit.
Ken Tampon is mentally ill. A sociopath.
He sounds like a con artist.
he's been clinging on hard for the last couple of weeks
Team Fil Fenley.
Hell yeah!
*Henley
@@OttoByOgraffey Where that "F" came from I have no clue 😆
@@niedobrulec the god of Ken
Feam Fil Fenley
Tamplin is not what he said he was pure and simple. He’s just another con man taking money from vulnerable people.
Ken has a jealous missed the boat attitude against 70's and 80's singers no matter how great they were. He covers their stuff and finds ways to put them down because he is angry inside he didn't get in on the fame and fortune that we're available to obtain then that are now not possible. Ken needs to spend his time recording and pushing his songs hoping maybe just one will catch on and bring him a small amount of what isn't nearly as available as it was 40 or 50 years ago.... the fame, glory and money. He will never be Brian Johnson, Bon Scott, Coverdale, Plant, Brad Delp, Dio, Steve Perry let alone Freddie Mercury. Music does not have the value it once did and live music in most cases is not completely live anymore. Ken has a great career in comedy ahead of him if he wants. Waiting for his course on how to be humble.
I saw a comment on his channel that said "I never expected there to be a cult around a fail metal singer" lol
Nah. What Ken needs to do is grow up. Time to realize the train left the station.
Ken has a lot of behaviors of a narcissist. His ego is so fragile. He never admits doing wrong or having limitations. He is jealous of other's success.
Well said! Subscribed
If it werent' for Fil I'd have never discovered such awesome instructors like you & Sterling. Right on!
I found Sterling the other day, too. I'm hooked on him!
@@insanejughead iKR, me too.
I'm a singer as well, I've not put anything on here for a while, but I can recognise straight away if someone is miming, and to have a go at some of the greatest singers of all time and say they are bad is a very egotistical angle to go with. Thankyou for the video dude, new subscriber.
Thank you!!!
Anyone can tell lip syncing. 🤣
@@crosswalklarry of course, if their observant, but obviously, there are loads of people out there who cannot tell , hence they still support what ken is saying.
I'm no singer and I can tell it easily, the same with the guitar playing.
At least on the vids I've seen.
I even dare to say he did a bad job.
@@jimmybondy9450 yea definitely, I didn't say I'm a singer to sound like a big head or anything, hope people don't think that. I just meant I can notice that's all. But yeah it's pretty obvious to everyone now.
@28:00 "Once it comes to that" [lip syncing] "my career is over."
Exactly.
I retired in 2008 at age 37, because autoimmune disease took away my core strength, and I no longer have the vocal control I used to have. Oh, I can still sing, but not like before. I was struggling to hit my notes, much less hold them. If I did succeed, my body would be in so much pain that I often couldn't even walk for days after a gig. (Singing is a lot more physically taxing than many people realize!) Then I'd finally recover, only to have another gig. Lather, rinse, repeat. It was hell.
It broke my heart, and honestly it still does, but I couldn't deliver the performances that I'd been known for, and my illness was progressing. I felt that I had no choice.
I had a very heated argument with someone just a few weeks ago. This guy was insisting that I should just use autotune. (He also suggested lip synching.) I told him that I would never lower myself to putting my voice through a computer and faking it. I told him that I was a professional, and I was 100% authentic, and I would rather never perform again than to fake it. He thought I was ridiculous, but I still have my integrity.
I feel for you. To a singer losing one's voice is a bit like losing your eyesight. Such a big part of you. Even so I understand your decision and I salute your integrity ❤
@@jcxz100 Thank you. It was one of the most difficult decisions I've had to make in all of my 53 years. To say that I don't regret it sometimes would be a lie, but I know it was the right thing to do. I still do karaoke or open mic a couple/few times a year, and about one small gig a year if my body allows me, just to get my ya-yas out, but my career is certainly over. It took a long time to really accept it, long after I made the choice to retire.
Ken thinks he's better then Freddie Mercury and says he's better then Sebastian Bach who still sounds pretty damn good all these years latter . I never heard of Tamplin been a working Guitarist for 40 years ??
I'm sorry but if you think Sebastian Bach still sounds good after all these years then you need some help. I'm not a skid row hater or Sebastian Bach hater by any means but Sebastian sounds like crap. He might be able to do a few songs here and there well but overall, he's not good and he needs to just stop. And whether you want to admit it or not, even though he was really good back in the day, I watched some of his older live videos and even back then he couldn't hit a lot of the notes that he did in the studio. That's the way it is with a lot of singers but I guess so tired of people acting like Sebastian Bach was all that as well as sliced bread and his bag of chips. He was never that great even back in the day but he is definitely not even remotely close to good nowadays. He's just not good. There are plenty of videos out there to back up my comments. If you want to ignore the truth, that's fine but it doesn't make it any less true. As far as Freddie Mercury goes, Freddy was great. I think most people would agree.
@@eldridge201,
Will you concede that Sebastian Bach is slightly less cringy than KT? Both are full of themselves, and both are mediocre singers, at best. Tamplin is harming others, with his singing program.
@@SuziQ. when you asked me to concede if Sebastian Bach is slightly less cringey than Ken tamplin, what do you mean as far as less cringey in what regard specifically? If you were talking about the singing ability of either singer, to be honest, I have barely listened to anything from Ken Tamplin and only have a small sample to go off of. I'm going to be straight up here and say that I actually liked skid row and some of their music when I was growing up because it was right around my middle and into my high school years so it was probably perfect for a person like me. Even though I wasn't necessarily into the more grunge rock type of music like Skid Row was, I liked their songs. I believe I bought their first album. But, I wasn't some super huge fan by any means. I just simply liked their songs. However, I already stated that I've listened to Sebastian Bach here and there over the years and watch some of his videos recently over the last few years and maybe even as much as 5 and 10 years ago and the bottom line is, he sucks. Even though I can't stand what Ken Tamplin has done and is doing, even though I've only watched the videos over on wings of Pegasus channel, I'm assuming based on those videos that Kim can actually still sing even though he's not the greatest out there as other people are saying that he claims to come off as. If I had to compare the two based on my small sample size, I would probably say that Ken can actually sing better than Sebastian bach. But again, I would have to watch more videos of either singer and they're more recent years to compare the two to give a fair and honest assessment. Again, I'm only going off of what I've seen and I've seen a lot more of Sebastian bach. Now, as far as Tamplin harming others with his singing program and fraud, I completely disagree with that and I think Ken is a pile of crap for doing that over the years. So, if you are referring to being cringy or cringe-worthy based on fraudulently scamming people to get them to pay to have vocal schooling or lessons through him, then hands down I think it would be can that is the bigger prick or more cringe-worthy than Sebastian Bach in that regard. But, again, it depends on if you're talking about their singing ability only or if you're talking about other things. Hopefully my response gives you my answer.
@@eldridge201 ,
I was referring to how they’re both full of themselves.
I’m not familiar with Ken’s singing, aside from the short clips in recent videos about the fraud. He appears to be yelling without musicality.
I also bought the first Skid Row album. Sebastian seemed less conceited back then. He has not taken care of his voice.
Ken Tamperin’ (with his vocals).
LOL🤣
That’s funny
Thank you for your humble, practical approach. Ego is not a component of good teaching/coaching and should be avoided at all costs. I hope you get lots of new students/subscribers!
Hey, thank you!
The problem with Tamplin is that every song he sings, including the covers, sounds exactly like Tamplin and his heavily nasally tone wrecks every classic song he attempts.
I wasn't aware that Ken took issue with Freddie Mercury. How very dare he!
hahahah Yeah
couldnt even lace up freddies shoes
Show me the video where he took issue with Freddie Mercury.
This is the best video I’ve seen surrounding this topic and rock singing in genera. Great stuff.
Thank you!!
We all have off days with our voice. As the lead singer in a local group for a very long time, every time I sang the same songs over and over again, each performance was different.
Good old “Parrot Tongue” Tamplin!😂
😂😂😂
Wow! I am impressed with this guy. Articulate, polite, knowledgeable, and not afraid to speak the truth without being overbearing. So rare, these days. I believe Fil from Wings of Pegasus also gives off these vibes. He's only speaking truths and always polite while doing so. New subscriber, here!
Hey, I really appreciate your words! Thank you for saying. It means a lot. Thank you for the sub too❤
that is the kind of person Fil is He could have come back at his haters with abusive language that was sent to him but he took the higher road
Devon is truly an excellent teacher; I’ve even applied his tips in classical singing. And yes, honesty is the best policy ;).
So glad to find another amazing music/ singing teacher who puts out great content, thank you! Subscribed!
Wow, thanks!
YES, the 'oooooo' sound when his mouth was in an 'ahhhh' shape. no disputing that.
It's refreshing to hearing someone just talk honestly and without all the pampering or boasting. Alex O'Connor comes to mind, whom I really admire for similar reasons. Keep up the good work! You got yourself a new subscriber :)
i am the guy that once apon a time at athens at a bar devon was singing and playing an acoustic guitar. I had my magic moment when devon said that he will play lady in rain, i stop him to wait to go and pee hahahahaha i couldnt hold my self anymore and he was going to play one of my favorites so i did the most obvious thing!?!?!?!, told him to wait to take a pee... and he waited hahahahhaah and yes i have washed my hands too hahahaha ( he asked me) thanks for that. you want remember any of that but i do 😃. My point is that you are one of the best singers i heard live just with an acoustic guitar you and Jeff Martin and i have to say who ever do lessons with you i am pretty sure that he will elevate his quality of his singing. One of the best truly live and studio. Thanks for all those good moments for about 30 years now, of listening your music
Hey man, thanks for such a great comment!
@@devon-graves-studio-D i was there with my vocal coach (obviously a fan of yours) who he is one of the best coaces in greece and trust me (that goes to whoever read this) if Nick says WTF men for your singing it is wtf.
I really like the way you put it as going with a person’s strengths! The Jim Morrison example! Perfect example ! Very awesomely said friend ! ⚡️space ace ron⚡️
Thank you my friend!
Unscripted, grounded, knowledgeable, genuine content. Congrats once more to this excellent channel.
Unfortunately I just can’t sing so won‘t have any chance to find out about your qualities as a vocal coach. But having seen you live a number of times, I can tell everyone who‘s interested that the way Devon brings together singing with power, character and atmosphere, the most refined vocal melodies and uniquely crafted lyrics is just so remarkable.
I've been a real music lover since forever and a subscriber to Wings of Pegasus since 2020. I've stumbled onto your channel as a result of the Ken Tamplin controversy which spun up as a result of Fil Henley's vocal analysis of Ken's live performances. After listening to you on this video, especially your explanation of your approach to vocal coaching, I will subscribe to your channel.
I've been practicing my singing a lot since the pandemic with all that spare time on my hands and have been pleasantly surprised by how helpful all of that 'practice' has been. I can now hold a tune all on my own without singing along with my favourite classic rock singers. If I were someone wishing to improve my professional singing voice, then I would definitely be attracted to your philosophy of vocal coaching and be interested in trying your course!
If he has 40 albums y have i not ever heard of ken untill Phil proved his point
Excellent content. Subscribed. I like your measured well spoken delivery
Beautifully and tastefully done video. Anyone who wants to be well informed about this, needs only to watch this video and Wings of Pegasus original analysis, imo. Your humility is felt and appreciated; thank you for not being mean-spirited. I believe your channel will grow exponentially because of your sincerity and kindness. Peace
Underneath all of this I believe lies another problem that not many singers talk about - the expectations of some "expert" listeners. I saw Katy Perry sing live on TV the other day and she apologized for not hitting some of the notes in full chest voice but transitioning to mixed voice instead to protect her vocal folds. She still sounded great to me and she only did what a good singer does to avoid health issues, still she obviously felt like she needed to apologize... And part of me thinks it was quite decent of her to even bring this up, making listeners aware who wouldn't have noticed and the other part, that's the singer in me was angry. Angry at the judgmental mindset so many ignorant listeners have that things like that are a sign of failure, that she "couldn't do it properly" which is just sad. The very same note can sound a little differently but when the pitch is spot on it absolutely shouldn't matter how the singer had to get there and only a bad singer would try to meet the expectations ignorant listeners have and run the risk of getting hurt. The voice is not always the same every day, sometimes you just have to adapt to the way it works and sing differently. This should be seen as a sign of professionalism, not as failure because, as I said, she still sounded good...
Dear Devon.... I fully agree with your fair and detailed and gentleman-like review... Good spoken !!!! Best regards... keep on rockin´ ...
Excellent vid Devon, love your deep thoughtful experienced analysis ... super killer work dude !!
Ken clearly guilty af. He's just been lucky that practically no one ever heard of him, or paid attention before.
Great video! Really enjoyed it!
Ken is a clown 🤡 he loves himself so much it’s actually frightening. I simply commented on one of his videos on Facebook asking how his voice kept protecting sounds, but yet his mouth was closed. He deleted the comment and blocked me on Facebook. Quite funny.
Cheers
This is a well thought out video, with lots of valid points. Ken really ought to watch this one.
Ken is being deceptive. He says he's not lip synching or miming. His contention seems to be that since he's making sounds while his lips are moving, whether or not anyone can hear them, he's technically not miming. Mimes are silent. But he doesn't articulate it that way. He just denies.
Surely Ken knows that “miming” is just the British term for “lip syncing”. So to say he’s not doing either is simply lying.
This is a good point actually, but there's a lot of things in this story (I've found it grimly fascinating as I'd love to sing consistently well) that build up a picture of long-term dishonesty. I think it's the kind of dishonestly that just comes from having a huge ego - Ken simply can't see himself or portray himself as anything less than the best at all times. People are kind of getting tired of this ego act in general maybe (or I hope lol!). There is nothing wrong with a little humility and vulnerability in life, it helps you see the bigger pictures surely. Or maybe I should just come off Twitter for a bit!
@@mattlewis5095 Ken is a scammer. This is not my opinion or conjecture, this is fact. Exposing scammers is a public service. Hopefully more content creators will join in the "chorus". Cheers!
what! ..This Ken Tampon is A LYING CHEAT..A MIME ARTIST.
Ken Tampontin. Hahaha! He's going viral as a total fool. Nearly everyone in the music industry at every level is hacking on him. If I was him I'd take down my TH-cam channel, change my name, and never show my face in public again.
Maestro, I am appreciating you for this interesting video.
Anyone who has to 'Self-Proclaim' puts up a red flag for me. It tells me that your not all that you 'Proclaim' to be if others aren't doing so for you. By the way I really enjoyed your video.
Hi Devon, Composer/Songwriter here but not a great singer though I can sing I have health concerns that blow out my voice easily c'est la vie. Your video is one of few delivered with a sense of graciousness without throwing Ken under the bus. I will check out your channel and course and I subbed Cheers!
Idk the Guitar parts I saw he definitely wasn't playing anything remotely close to what was coming through the speakers. There were extra notes that couldn't have been possible on the guitar he was using, missing bends, weird vibrato and his pick hand not matching the rhythm. Not saying he can't play at all just pointing out that it's more than just Lip Syncing issues, his massively over inflated ego and the lies.
Don't feel bad for him, he brought this on Himself, no one else. 🤷 This could've went away and been forgotten about be he doubled down with Bot Accounts and even more lies, so he's getting his Just Desserts for bearing false witness.
You're very articulate and i enjoy the thoughtfulness you put into your words. Love your work with Ayreon, subscribed :)
Hey, thank you!
Hey Devon, very old fan here. Still remember getting the 4-Track PW Demo back in the day. Good luck with all your endeavors! Hope to get another album from you eventually, no matter with which band or under which moniker ;-). Cheers from Germany. Oh and thanks for the recent PW reissues on vinyl!
yeah he has a rich history. I used to talk to him when he worked in my local music store. Still got my Aslan tape (pre-PW) and still holds up all these years.
Always loved your Dead Soul Tribe albums and the latest Psychotic Waltz is amazing. Your voice is immediately recognizable which is a gift. Can‘t wait for new music.
7:23 He's not even a "excellent" guitar player. He's advanced garage band dad, at best.
Yep, getting "80s hair band guy who never got a record deal" vibes from ol' Tamplin.
Ken Tamplin: I have over 40 albums.
Me: who?
I never heard of her either.
Same here. Might be different in the USA?
We’ve never heard of him. I think one would have to be into christian rock to know who he is.
@@SuziQ. Never heard of that genre either.
So he's singing Christian lyrics while lying like mad. Funny.
Your style and your eyes got me to subscribe, thanks for the realness mate, also nice barber we go to the same place 🤣💪🏻 keep being real and thank you
Oh thanks you!❤
Excellent video, keep rocking!
Hello from Australia. Subscribed, because of Nightwish (with Floor), then Nightwish reactions by singing teachers, then Fil, now here. Thanks algorithm.
I appreciate you dealing the topic brought up by Ken Tamblyn not being open and honest about what he does. Glad you recognized the quality of Fil/Wings of Pegasus's reaction video.
If ken is actually singing and playing like he says then he needs to do a one take live video and prove it that simple
Ken is epitome of Narcissism
We don’t care about that ! In fact all of us are narcissistic
@@zoteck9177 speak for yourself 😂
@zoteck9177, That word doesn't mean what you think it means. Narcissistic Personality Disorder NPD is a mental illness that inflicts somewhere between 10%-15% of the population. It's one of the Cluster B personality disorders. These are some of the most harmful people in society.
All performers have to be slightly narcissistic. Basically, whether singer, instrumentalist or actor, we go out on stage (or film) and say to total strangers, “look at me, see what I can do!”. Without a touch of narcissism, we would freeze up completely. I’ve been performing (musician then later vocalist) since I was 7. I’m now 67, and for the first 10 years, while I could play in a group, any time I had to solo, or call attention directly upon myself, I almost threw up from nerves. It took that long to build my confidence and realize that people appreciated what I had to offer. I am and will forever be eternally grateful to the audiences that have been so supportive of my efforts.
😊💜 I feel more drawn to people who are sincere and supportive. Just do the best you can and keep trying every day!! 😊💜
The only things Ken seems qualified to teach are: singing for a Skid Row tribute act, and creeping people out with your tongue.
The arrogant smirk always bothered me on his song analysis videos. Those feel like an excuse for him to show off how well he thinks HE can sing their stuff. Which of course, he can't. (unless it's 80s metal)
You mentioned Ken throwing shade on Freddie Mercury for going flat on the last note... I would rather hear a few imperfections during a performance when a singer has been overcome with emotion... My personal opinion... if you want it to sound exactly like the album... save your money.. stay home.. listen to the albums there!
I have followed loads of local bands.. and I sometimes I prefer the live over the album.
Both in the vocals and instrumental.
I totally agree. In my youth when I was buying records, the first album from any band I would learn about would always be the live album,
Your opinion is the same as Freddie's. Stay home and play the album if you don't want the live performance to be different.
Gained a sub. Very well spoken and honest!
You nailed it!
Thank you for being honest, very refreshing. Ken has created this monster because of his ego. Most ," Great" singers if asked would say they were ,"ok" and down play their ability. Ken wants to be recognized so badly that he turns people off with his ego.
If the falsetto of prince can waiver we are all mortals Ken needs to relax
But Prince's grammar is excellent!
A SM 58 has always been the standard in live settings and still is to this day. I cracks me up when I see a singer or especially a rapper who puts their hands around the mic screen and takes away most of the dynamic frequencies! Ps, it also doubles as a hammer if you need one.
Which frequencies are dynamic and which aren’t?
All of them.
@@markrice2821 What makes them dynamic frequencies?
Keep rocking ❤.
Thanks so much for this video. Thank you!
Thank YOU for the comment!
I just subscribed, I want to check your stuff out...just by listening to this...I feel i am going to learn from you. And I see you said what i said about the tounge is bizzare, Its pulling out muscles that are not needed
I think the psychological term for what Ken may be afflicted with is “grandiosity.”
@@victoryak86 I think that it is technically known as Border Personality Disorder ie it means that he’s a narcissist.
The funny thing is Wings Of Pegasus left it at basically one analysis video until Ken made a very silly rebuttal literally forcing Fil to bring a whole lot more to the table and of course rightly brought attention to Kens nonsensical over-the-top reaction to his analysis. Very stupid and probably too late to recover.
What's the lyrics Ken? "Aqualung my friend don’t you start away uneasy. You poor old sod, you see, it’s only me" So why lie especially to your friends?
Devon. I’m so glad and truly thankful that you have a TH-cam channel. I learn something with every passing video you make. Also your musical taste and sensibilities are incredibly intriguing. Maybe you could tech Ken that? 😂. I know probably not, but the guy is on a bit of a high horse. 😮
Great video Devon. Would love to have you on our livestream sometime.
Why is he running from me then? The issue here is HONESTY. Everything else is just noise.
Maybe you should challenge him to a sing off then! Oh wait... Haha.
@@ryanmattie974 lol 😂
@@ryanmattie974 Why didn't I think of that??? THANK YOU! IT'S OFFICIAL!
No offense but... who even are you? I am by no means defending Ken but I don't think he has to jump on every challenge from every random stranger who has no following or anything at all.
I've been following the Ken drama since the second it dropped and then scoured youtube for every tidbit I could find, yet I don't recognize your name or picture...
And to be accurate, I've been following the drama since Tristan Paredes exposed him YEARS ago lol
@@tomcook2040 Just some dork looking for attention most likely. "I challenge you to a sing off!" .. Give me a break with this stuff. So many pathetic people online it's just baffling. 😆
I have zero to none musical/vocal/instrumental experience or knowledge, but I love listening to music. In my completely uneducated opinion, I always thought something was off when Ken was singing or playing guitar. It just never looked like it was in sync, but I figured I just didn’t understand how recording worked. I usually only watched his channel when he was breaking down specific bands/singers performances which I thought was very interesting, but I just couldn’t stomach watching him sing.
As some really smart guy sang once, some things you can't return.
Love that!
@@devon-graves-studio-D that album in particular played a huge part in my life and it still does and sorry for hijacking this for my selfish desire to thank you and the rest of the band for it as it was incredibly helpful to me. So.. thank you :).
Charging people for vocal lessons + hiding and lying to them = fraud. He’s a hack, simply put.