I've never claimed to be a vocal coach, I don't have a vocal course for people to buy. Although I do sing, I've never mimed live or used pitch correction or auto-tune. Lastly, music is not a competition, if it were then there would be a music 'Champion of the World'. I think you're missing the whole point of the artform, integrity and objectivity. I've tried to explain it in the video, if you still don't understand I can't help you.
Are you guys off your meds? Did you bump your head this morning? What part of this do you not understand? Fil has nothing to do with this, and has nothing to prove! on the other hand, if Ken wants to save his career will step up and show everyone that he is who he says he is. I will give him the opportunity to do that.
I have 45 years in live audio, 2/3 of that working with "artists you've heard of". I'm still working and I signed NDAs so I won't mention names, but these self-annointed golden ears comments Fil featured in this video have no f'in clue about how many of their favorite artists, bands, and performers make use of playback in performances. One band, a quartet, had 96 inputs - half from live sources on the stage and the other 48 were from ProTools or Ableton. The band got the live inputs to their IEMs and the audience heard 98% tracks. Many rappers are lip-syncing, too. The mics are hot so the hype and shoutouts are real, but most of the actual "song" is either the studio vocal or an edit of the studio vocal with some live components; soloing up the live mics in headphones, I can hear the performers moving, breathing, and maybe rapping along at a *very* low level until a shout out comes along. A popular male country singer has a bad alcohol habit and can't utter a coherent sentence by the time he's on stage but his "sung" vocals are flawless; is it magic or an illusion? Another singer who has been on one of the contest TV shows lip syncs the last half (more or less) of his live show for the same reason - he's getting intoxicated on stage and develops both pitch and timing problems. There are vocal tuning plug ins for digital mixing consoles that will work fast enough to be used live, and one of the most popular English-speaking performers has it applied to all non-spoken parts of the vocal performance, along with a dynamics and EQ processing chain that would have been low/mid-five figure$ back when everything was separate analog boxes. Ultimately I work for the artist or someone they have hired for technical and artistic supervision. With some I get lots of artistic direction and discretion, with others there is lots of direction and little room to make changes of any sort (kind of like in theatre) after the tour starts. Some performers seem comforted by the technologies, some need the technologies to make them acceptable, live, others eschew most of it. My personal choice to start out organically and hear what the band or artist is actually doing, maybe apply a little reverb to put some air around it, and hear where their performance of that song, that day, takes us. I like the old ways of letting the art and magic happen on stage, and that my primary job is to share those things to everyone who showed up, artist-willing.
Well said! Miming anywhere, especially at a 'live' concert is about as low as it gets for any Art, and yes, it is widespread today...very, very widespread. Additionally, the near 100% abuse of tuning software (primarily Melodyne) has, today, destroyed 'pop' music as an Art form, and it's extreme abuse is widespread in many other genres. We all remember, over 20 years ago, when Melodyne came out and alarm bels were immediately raised when we saw it so damn easily move data up/down in pitch, left/right to manipulate phrasing, increase/reduce vibrato, lengthen/shorten phrases, etc etc. Little wonder we are where we are today. Kids have, for over 20 years, been completely indoctrinated into accepting computer-perfected, dehumanized audio excrement. Such a damn shame, and a truly damning indictment on the music industry and government music/culture bodies that they continue to bury their heads in the sand.
The "Is it live, or is it Memorex?" campaign really exemplifies what you've said. Who would have believed back then that it was foreshadowing the future of musical entertainment?
@@ChrisM541I remember working local crew for a medium sized band in the early 80s. I was helping the sound engineer and was looking over his effects rack. I worked as Mixer/sound guy and grunt labor for a local rock band. Broke as hell we were lucky to have PA at all. Eager to learn I asked him to explain his vocal chain. I recognized reverb, delay and compression but was stumped by a Eventide Harmonizer. So he explained it some and demonstrated some. Color me stunned. My dumb redneck ass was being schooled. While well out of our price range, I really saw the endless possibilities. Now this effect is totally accepted, made cheap as a plug in for the world to use. Is it dishonest? I can't answer that, especially when applied to vocals. I was also challenged ethically when working a Hall and Oats show in the mid 80s. Under the stage were several keyboards where a guy was steady busy swapping 8 inch floppy disks between songs. Essentially he was playing the songs not the people on stage. Being the first time I saw this I lost all respect for the band. Sadly it only got worse over the years. Some like the Edge were totally upfront about their use of technology. But it was still him playing his instrument. Loved the Joshua Tree and Unforgettable Fire shows I was lucky enough to work. Then came Autotune and similar devices like the Melodyne. Cher as an effect. No problem. But to hide the fact you can't hit pitch with a shotgun? Absurdly dishonest. It's gotten to the point you can't trust a vocal. Unless it's off pitch, I guess. But I would always take the honest vocal even with imperfections over the corrected. Sure if she is up there dancing her ass off I expect it to be lip synced. No human could do it. It's a performance. But don't lie to me standing in front of a mic. So I guess I will keep watching bar bands playing the blues. At least I know it's a human
Great points. Autotune Live STILL wouldn’t be sync’d with past performances or the album though, it’s the straight up lip sync that bothers us. Post Malone for example sings through Autotune live but at least it’s LIVE!
Everything you have presented here and before is just painfully obvious to anyone who is not tone deaf. You are a beaming light in all this darkness. Fil you are a LEGEND!
I love all your efforts in these videos. I was interested to see Peter Gabriel recently admit to dubbing in his live show when his voice was weakened by a cold or such. He explained that he didn’t want the show to suffer when people had paid for the show. That's all we're saying. Be honest. If you have integrity, your fans will undertand. Keep up the good work!
I'm not a professional musician or singer. I am "the audience" and I don't appreciate being deceived for any reason by anyone... especially those taking my money. You're an honest person in a deceptive industry, Fil. Much needed if you ask me. Your videos are very appreciated.
You wrote something I could absolutely say myself. Thanks to Fil's videos I know when NOT to go to a concert. The Eagles are an example, unfortunately. I was born too late to see them as a great band and won't pay outrageous ticket prices for a lip syncing circus show. Also, it's good my money won't go to Don Henley's bank account.
Music isn't supposed to be a magic show or a math competition where everything is supposed to be perfect, precise and true. Music is supposed to move your emotions, that's it. If you put yourself in the position to check if something is true, false, a sequence, a sample, you'll never enjoy anything anymore. And that's sad
In a way, I feel sorry for people who do this. They are locked into believing that this is all they are - a singer in a band, unable to pivot and pursue other avenues in life. It's self made trap.
all i can think is imagine paying hundreds of dollars/pounds/Euros etc to watch a live performance and it's lip synced. you could have brought a music DVD stayed home and watched it on a big screen TV with Dolby Digital surround sound and brought stuff off their webpage and avoided having punters scream for the 1st 20 seconds of every song and have plenty of money for food n drinks. I've worked in corporate audio visual and experienced "stars" lip syncing at sporting events because it's just easier to set up from a technical standpoint BUT no one paid to hear them sing. they paid to watch a sporting event
As someone who went to a lot of live shows back in the 90s I can tell you that I don't care how good a singer or band is, they never ever sound the same as their recordings do. And they never EVER sound the same live twice! Like you say, it's literally impossible! Everything effects your singing voice: tiredness, sickness, excitedness, your mood that day, what you ate, how hydrated you are, even crowd reaction will change things in the way the singer sounds. And dude, anyone who watches you can tell that you are such a sweet genuine person and not ever trying to hurt anyone. You have the kindest smile and voice and I know you're just trying to be honest in this situation and talk about something you're passionate about. Don't take strangers on the internet to heart bro. You know you're telling the truth so screw them lol.
Totally agree. I can only speak for myself but I'd rather hear a live vocal warts and all over a vocal using autotune live or even worse trying to pass off lip synching as actual live vocals.
Steve Perry, and Jimi Jamison did, for awhile. But you probably didn't see them back in the early 80's. You can find clips on TH-cam of live performances. Also, Geoff Tate did for awhile.
I agree, to a point. Yes, some musicians sound exactly the same live or recording. Check out Pil's analysis of George Michael, in fact, there are few! 😎🎤😘🎶🎶🎶Perfection!
Your ability to address negative comments - especially the insulting comments - with such straight forward data is admirable. Your calm rebuttals make the strongest argument for the integrity of your analysis. Thanks Fil.
It’s quite a show of good character and obviously a long time of doing this sort of thing, too. If I were doing this and needed (or felt the need) to respond to some of the hate comments, even with the data being undeniable there’s no way I’d be as calm and focused. In fact I don’t think it really says anything about the truth of the data. The data speaks for itself quite strikingly and still would even if Fil would’ve thrown a fit or something.
True .and Where is Tamplin?? Hes a pro utuber it's easy to do a reaction to analysis video for him to clear his name then Why is he hiding ?? Where is he?? .
Don't forget that people are crazy these days, Fil. (Seriously) You always bring the receipts and present ample proof of what you're asserting. Rock on. I think you're great!
@@ceb1970 hear hear; any piece of technology is a tool, tools are force multipliers, and if misused or abused... they can do damage; toasters are tools, don't stick a fork in your toaster; cars are tools, don't drink and drive; computers with online access are tools, don't engage in cyberbullying common sense is being bred out of humanity in favor of intelligence and it's not good for anyone involved
This!! Fil is way more polite about all this than I would ever be, and he is always focused on the facts. Don't let the trolls get you down Fil! You are doing amazing work.
@@ceb1970 Not quite, but you're close. It's not that any crazy person can get an audience, but that any person can go online and find lots of other crazy people with the same crazy opinions
I have said this before. If The Julliard School in NYC asked you to be a guest lecturer that is credence enough for anyone to accept that you know exactly what you are talking about. Thank you for teaching us and for your honesty and integrity.
No worries Fil, you have more followers than detractors. Also KT has been caught doing some 'strange' things with his website, like deleting all the bad comments and then replacing them with favourable comments WRITTEN BY HIMSELF!! All amongst a heap of other dishonest behaviour. So just keep fighting the good fight Fil, we're behind you Mate.
I was a full-time musician for 30 years; the people who think they are experts, but actually don’t know squat never cease to amaze me. Keep up the stellar work Fil you’re awesome!!
Just be wary of also thinking you or Fil are in fact experts and that the claims either way are beyond examination. This isn't my area of expertise, but I am concerned at Fil's use of words like 'irrefutable'. Real science always allows for challenges.. in a couple of these 'exact' matches, is it my imagination that I see slight mismatches..? and the analog to digital induced pitch change .. ?? was it really 'irrefutably' the only possible explanation? Some of these claims are not fully objective - if they were we'd see some numbers in regard to a proper frequency analysis.. Has this type of analysis been done in a scientifically rigorous environment? If not, why not..? Feel free to cite one.
@@chrlz904 Its interesting KT deleted the video and has not made a video response. If there was a simple explanation you would expect him to make a video about it.,
@@chrlz904if you have ever done any recording or know what a wave file is youll know that if theyre even remotely close its the same signal, the differences you think you see are nothing, its the same
He’s also a talented guitarist. Check out the Fil Jams at the end of his livestreams. They’re backing tracks he’s never heard before, and plays guitar to. Last Saturday’s was a good one (sometimes the track that gets picked is meh, yet Fil still saves them with his playing).
I generally don't "care" about many of these issues...but honestly, Fil, I frequently watch your videos because it's a great relief to see someone who is so nice, kind, careful, caring, appreciative, and even apologetic when he upends the beliefs of others. You are an example of a good human being. This is the number one reason I watch.
That's the snake oil he's selling, that his techniques will help you maintain your power and range for a lifetime. Of course he can only "prove" it by miming to an album track he recorded three decades ago, but what does he care as long as the marks keep paying?
@@Durwood71This isn't in defence of him (Ken), but it is a comment on your criticism of him. If you take vocal lessons regularly, and you learn to sing properly with good technique, it is entirely reasonable to expect that you can maintain your vocal ability, because in learning to sing properly you are essentially training muscles. In Ken's case (and as Fil says) he can sing, and his channel output is that of someone who is a professional, so it's reasonable to expect that his vocals haven't altered much. If you're someone like me, starting as a largely untrained amateur, it's reasonable to expect the vocal would improve over time even if you're older, as mine has (improved lower register and improved connection between registers particularly). The only 'snake oil' would be to suggest that a vocal will be 100% accurate 100% of the time, so yes it's reasonable to criticise that aspect, but overall, not so much.
@@lilgreenmomo The fact that so many of Ken's videos are just lip synch theater gives us plenty of reason to question how good of a singer he really is.
Fil you absolutely nailed it when you said, "it's not that my video is negative, you're seeing what ever I'm explaining as negative". You're correct, it's their subjective opinion of what you're explaining. As you said you can't tell a person how to think, their free to think what ever they want. I've been watching your videos for years and you have never bashed anyone in your analysis videos. All you can do Fil, (and all you've ever done) is provide us with the hard data as proof of what we're hearing. The software you use doesn't lie. It's a shame some people continue to deny the truth. I don't know what to say except at this point, I don't think there's anything you could do or say to get the deniers to, "see the light."
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” EDIT- Hah, attributing this to Mark Twain because of my lazy google search is a good example of how this can happen. Except I have the ability to research a dispute and admit if I was incorrect about something which I am here, unlike the focus of this vid. So here is a genuine Mark Twain quote (unless someone proves this one wrong as well but I did my homework this time) “If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.”
Exactly. Pointing out the fact that it was lip synched also pointed out the fact that these people were fooled and that pisses them off. Therefore they must attack the messenger rather than just accept the truth.
Apparently, honesty is a crime to some people, which is quite saddening. Fil, keep doing what you’re doing, man. This is one of the reasons why I subscribed to your channel in the first place. Cheers 🤘🏼
Hey Fil, I’m one of those people who saw you rather factually take down one of my favorite singers for not really playing guitar in his performances (John Cougar M) and had to agree with you. I didn’t take your analysis as something derogatory, just something factual. Love it! Keep up the great work Fil!! 👍🏼👍🏼
I can see how people are upset over the analysis of their favourite musicians, they feel cheated but they are taking it out (lashing out) at the wrong person. People need to take a breath and think objectively before commenting.
@@utha2665 There is not without a reason we have an expression like: "don't blame the messenger". It's a really common phenomenon that people don't want to be confronted with certain facts and blame the one bringing it up.
He shouldn’t even try to defend himself. Most people won’t believe what they don’t want to believe. (We all have that problem to some extent. But there are people that are resistant to any kind of argument). And others are not even capable to understand the explanation anyways. Some are just trolls. Trying to convince those groups is just frustrating. 😅🤷🏼♀️
I missed that one! John Mellencamp (I think he dropped Cougar???) doesn't play the guitar at his concerts??? What would be the reason? Sorry, for the questions. I will watch Fil's video soon.
Made a similar comment in your last video: I enjoy KT's music, and have for a long time! It seems to me, Fil, that you are absolutely correct in your analysis. As much as it sucks to see it be about a musician I admire, it is still the truth. And thank you for bringing it.
I think what's been underappreciated is how immensely talented you are as a musician and vocalist in your own right. We only catch glimpses in your analisys videos but you are just as talented as the artists you are reviewing.
@@rsdemarco While KT is lip syncing to studio recordings of his own voice, it's still pretty deceptive for a vocal coach to be miming in a live performance, instead of actually singing live.
Fantastic analysis! As a professional scientist myself who has also played guitar and recorded for years, seeing those waveforms line up so perfectly was all the proof I - and anyone with even the slightest audio editing experience - needed that Ken was miming to a track he recorded years ago. Sad days when people think lying to their viewers is acceptable. Then again, today's music industry is full of 'artists' miming to their audiences at 'live' concerts. You're doing a fantastic job, Fil. Glad this is getting some excellent airtime.
You aren't a singer dude. I can sing many songs exactly the same..jesus christ are you people lost. After 5,000 times singing the same stupid 2-3 minutes you will not find a pitch different whatsoever. Every grunt, hoot and howl is precisely the same stupid thing. You guys are thinking of bands or live..then its impossible...but singing alone in a room or studio? Jesus christ guys..its like riding a bike.
@@thomasbennett4853 Yep, it is indeed sad. The post-truth mindset is so prevalent and I wish I could have lived long enough to see a future generation snap out of it, but...alas.
@@dogsmusicbookstravelscience, Did you die? The way you worded that reads like you’re posting from the after life. Do you think that the twenty and thirty somethings are as messed up as the boomers, Gen X-ers, and the remnants of the silent generation?
That one at 15:41 really angered me. A "true servant of God" wouldn't be so blatantly LYING. I'm so sick of this stuff. Thanks for all you do, Fil! You always back up what you say with the facts. If people choose to ignore them that's on them. Please never stop exposing these liars!
Agree and besides uses godly threats. I am Christian but despise ppl that use God's name to threat others like that dude did. Fil is correct 💯 and the other guy is a pharisee (talking about the guy that commented )
@@slatskatya Yup, I was a Christian once, and seem to remember a few things about pointing out the splinter in another's eye while ignoring the log in your own. and 'judge not, lest ye be judged'. There are about 100 others that apply. It is strange now, to not be religious, and know far more about the teachings in the bible than most of these bible thumpers. The real and most basic premise, with regard to human interaction, is to love your fellow man, which is precisely the opposite of what they do, apparently. I don't buy the hocus pocus in the bible anymore, but the REAL Earthly basic premise of Christianity is kind of unassailable, and it is most definitely not hate, exclusion, belittling, judging, yada, yada. I hear a preacher once say that if Christians acted a little more saved, maybe people who aren't Christians might be more interested. I concur. And yes, I've known both kinds, some who walk the walk far better than I ever have.
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I am not a vocal coach blah, blah, blah... I have been watching your channel for ages and KNOW you to be honest, trustworthy and to my knowledge has never shared a video for "view grabs." YOU ARE A TEACHER AND TRUTH TELLER! You have educated so many people with ONLY GOOD INTENT and I thank you for that. "Every violation of truth is not only a sort of $uicide in the liar, but is a stab at the health of human society." ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
Thank god I'm not the only one. I subbed after watching this one too, having been watching the channel for a while casually. Partly as a middle finger to the commenter who said they unsubbed, but mostly because Fil is providing valuable, entertaining and well-considered content
Right before watching this video, I watched a Steve Perry interview where he was talking about the voice being a fickle instrument. Very insightful interview, and as a singer myself I agree with what he said about the voice having a personality all its own: one day it's great, the next it's off, the next it's better than ever, the next it is still laying in bed and refuses to cooperate at all. The singer is the instrument, and the singer is not a machine. It's disturbing that the music industry reduces a human being to a machine; that human beings are defending the dehumanizing of artists; and that artists willingly participate in many cases. Very disturbing. Fil, these analysis videos are golden.
FIL!!!! You always make complete and objective sense. I was crushed to see the analysis of Celine’s performance at the Olympics BUT it is exactly this that kept me coming back. You show the data, explain the data, and bam… the conclusion writes itself. ❤
damnit Fil, just when i think i couldnt like your content any more than i already do, you over-deliver yet again! this video is a master class in professionalism, teaching and just being a good dude. your tone, knowledge of the subject, objective approach and delivery are the gold standard (to me) for videos like this and its predecessor. thanks!
with only 0.7% dislikes, i'd say most people agree with you and support you. there are always a few people who are unappeasable. but I definitely admire your ability to challenge those who disagree with you, to stand up to them with additional evidence in such a positive way.
Thorough, illuminating analysis done in a very objective and respectful way👍 (I’m an audio engineer and understand the impossibilities you highlight). Im not familiar with Ken but he seems to be a serious/excellent vocalist. There’s loads of tricks and procedures to “enhance” vocals today (like it or not, it’s commonplace). Unfortunately, he and his commenting fans seem to be uncomfortable and defensive with him being under the microscope (which is understandable), but his denial/cover-up is awkward/unfortunate🧐
You're 100% correct, Fil. The facts are there and those of us with sound engineering training can spot it a mile off, both with the waveforms and even without. People's feelings are irrelevant - honesty and facts, not feelings are all that matter here
@@stoneneils Yet the data is very clear and conclusive. And yes, he is a musician and singer. Anyways, you're always welcome to present the data you gathered that will verify your statement (if you have done such research).
I really appreciate your work, Your kind (to a fault) approach and integrity are are unquestionable. I've learned so much from you channel over the years, and learned to appreciate great vocalists more than ever. Through you, I've also been introduced to so many great vocalists I never knew before, so thank you.
I am sorry to see you are going through this. People will believe anything, which is super dangerous with all the AI and digital manipulation that is going on.
You're sorry to see him going through that??!! He's getting moneymaking content out of it, save your sympathies for people who eat uncooked chicken and then suffer from explosive diarrhea.
Nearly all of the commenters you referenced, in addition to being wrong on the facts, are also resorting to fallacious arguments. "Who are you to criticize?" Ad hominem attack/Courtier's reply. "I'm a famous singer and producer and I know!" Argument from authority. "Kent would never lipsync, he doesn't do that!" Circular reasoning/proof by assertion/moralistic reasoning. "Why do you attack Kent -- you're being mean!" Appeal to emotion/appeal to motivation. "Everyone knows Kent doesn't lipsync." Appeal to tradition/circular reasoning. "I am unsubscribing because of this!" Poisoning the well. So these negative comments were both unfactual and illogical. Keep going Fil! Your analysis is much appreciated!
Thank you for your excellent work! It even appears that KT has actually been miming since 1989. (when KT was in his mid 20s) Marc Ajax proved (in Marc's recent YT video) that KT's live performance with Shout at Cornerstone in 1989 (also found on YT) involved the use of pre-recorded studio album tracks that KT mimed to. It appears that KT has been miming in front of live audiences since his mid 20s.
Thank you kindly, Fil, for another excellent analysis video! You are a man of integrity, and you always show us proof that what you're explaining to us is so. You're doing an incredible job, so don't change for no one. Rock!
I love your work, man. It's actually made me appreciate artist who lower the tone of their songs to be able to perform them live. I mean, they do really sing their songs even if changes have to be made. I know it is my opinion and not the reason why you make these analysis, but it really makes you value singers that are commited to actually singing live. Nowadays, I love it whenever a singer is slightly out of tune or makes a mistake. I mean, isn't that what a live performance is all about? Aren't they human beings? Great videos, keep up the outstanding job!
As a professional musician, singer/guitarist, since 1970, your expose on today's "music" is truthful, accurate and a boost and shout out to all of the genuine musicians, from the old guys to the newcomers. Keep up the great work! (And you are quite a great musician!) Thank You, Fil! Mike Columbia, SC USA
My mom used to always say, "don't do the right thing when it's hard because you think everyone will understand and appreciate you. They usually won't. Do it because it's important to you." There are always lies, gossip and mischaracterizations that will inevitably come your way when you reveal difficult truths people don't want to hear. When many people are emotionally invested in an artist, they don't WANT to know the seedy underside of how the sausage gets made. Sorry you lost subscribers but please know that you've likely gained respect from the vast majority of us who regularly follow your content. Rock, my friend!
At a very quick glance at just a bit of this comment thread, Fil seems to have picked up at least three new subs because of this...and that's just three I noticed. I'm quite sure he'll gain more than he loses.
There’s always about 1/3 of the population that will not except the truth if they don’t want that truth to be true. It’s very sad but most of us can see through your analysis where the truth lies & we are still here for you.
Yours is one of the few channels on youtube which I am subscribed to, because you are very logical, scientific and respectful in your videos, and you explain things very well. Anyone who disagrees with clearly-presented, objective evidence without valid counter-arguments should just be ignored, they don't deserve more time wasted on them! Please keep up the excellent work, it's much appreciated.
great job Fil, I so appreciate your analysis and the time you put into it, these days people just don't want truth, if it goes against their expectations,
wow, you address this SO calmly and professionally. i get really frustrated when people say i'm wrong when i'm definitely not wrong. it's extremely clear that the guy was lipsyncing. he put on a prerecorded audio as the vocals changed completely from intro to singing. it was perfectly clear AND your additional data is irrefutable proof.
I think you’re so clear, thorough and honest in what you do that you needn’t explain yourself. If people don’t get it, they either honestly don’t have a clue (but you know what it’s like, the less people know in reality, the more they think or claim to know) or they are completely & irrationally biased.
Good on you Fil for presenting truth and facts. Living in the USA I know how facts are uncomfortable for some people. Pointing out that someone may not be on the up and up can destroy those who idolize them, and they fire back with negativity. The fact is, nobody is perfect and frankly there is nothing wrong with using technology to help live performances or even recordings. It just would be nice if they were honest about it so that their fans can understand it's okay to point it out. Keep up the good work.
Are there more people like you, on TH-cam? This is very educational. I know more than many other more musically skilled persons, because of you! I sometimes pitchcorrect at some notes when I'm too far from the pitch I want to nail. And I'm honest about it, no secrets or lies needed.
"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck". I’m not an expert, and it looked to me like he was miming. And you’ve proved it. Keep up the good work
Fil, keep on producing your quality content. You have to allow for people being willfully ignorant or just plain thick. It is literally impossible to reproduce the same waveform without either using a sample of that waveform or just copy and pasting it. If a live audio waveform is the same as the recorded waveform, the artist is miming. Period.
I went back and watched the video. You are 100% correct. I’m not a vocal coach nor a professional musician. I could even tell the difference. Keep doing what you’re doing!
Having double-standard is kind of a human nature with which people preserve the integrity of the worlds they perceive. Hence you are actually fighting with human nature. This fight is hard, but you have done very well. I fully support your objective analysis and honest comments. Keep fighting, never surrender!
I wouldn’t worry about it. The hate comments are probably from Ken himself on one of his many fake accounts. I proved this on my latest vid 🔥 keep spreading actual truth, Fil
@@wingsofpegasusYup. Dude didn’t even bother to create a new lipsyncing track. Just lazy. Or assumes everyone is stupid. I’m leaning towards the second after his responses. Just awful.
@M2Singing I think you're 100% correct. It is honestly quite predatory, Ken is taking advantage of people who are too new to singing to recognize his fakery and manipulation. Then he actively censors other creators to keep his audience ignorant. Very cult-ish vibes.
Very strange of those commenters to bring religion into it. What does that have to do with anything? Anyway, thanks for this. Your videos are always interesting and I appreciate your non-judgemental attitude towards the artists you analyze very much :)
Religion is naturally concerned with fakery, because it is based on fakery and lies itself, and anyone who exposes small lies is a danger because he might expose the big lies (like there being another world where a God judges men after their death...) In a world where everybody had high respect for truth (less loftily said, for reality), there would be no priests, no scripture and no religion. They thrive on people being gullible and trusting tall tales more than their own senses.
One thing I noticed in these replies... they never refuted you with facts, data or any other alternative version of analysis; they just voiced their opinion.
It's either kindergarten insults ("you're jelly") or trying to deviate from the discussion with specious "logic" (what about music videos; he uses backing vocals; etc.). Not to mention the condescension, using religion. Thankfully it doesn't even seem to register with Fil, lol.
Great work, Fil 👍 You´re my hero for being so brave and honest and I´m on your side 100%. The facts you´re presenting are spot on, easy to understand and a 100% objective and indisputable. How someone can even think of question your analyses is incomprehensible to me. I´m an amatuer musician and singer since 40 years and all this faking going on with autotune, pitch correction, lipsinking etc etc. makes med angry and dissapointed. All this new technology has, unfortunatley, made it possible for less talented wannabees to do careers in music, inspite of their lack of talent. The music industry is more sick now than ever before with a lot of fake, fake fake and it will eventually cause its own death. Keep up the great work, Fil!!
Excellent video, I learned something new. What I have learned over a lifetime, is that the "messenger" of '"bad news" often gets caught in the cross-hairs of people who have hard time accepting difficult truths. Hang in there.
Love your videos - it's great to see factual analysis of vocals. You are never mean-spirited or condescending when you do an analysis. Keep up the good work!
I think we should have a sing-off between Fil and Ken to see who is legit and who is not!
Hey Ken, how many fake accounts do you have going rn posting the exact same thing?
I've never claimed to be a vocal coach, I don't have a vocal course for people to buy. Although I do sing, I've never mimed live or used pitch correction or auto-tune. Lastly, music is not a competition, if it were then there would be a music 'Champion of the World'. I think you're missing the whole point of the artform, integrity and objectivity. I've tried to explain it in the video, if you still don't understand I can't help you.
Fake account by Ken or one of his disciples😀
Are you guys off your meds? Did you bump your head this morning? What part of this do you not understand? Fil has nothing to do with this, and has nothing to prove! on the other hand, if Ken wants to save his career will step up and show everyone that he is who he says he is. I will give him the opportunity to do that.
@@bobbysiskvocals sorry I'll stop.
“It's Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.” - Mark Twain
I have 45 years in live audio, 2/3 of that working with "artists you've heard of". I'm still working and I signed NDAs so I won't mention names, but these self-annointed golden ears comments Fil featured in this video have no f'in clue about how many of their favorite artists, bands, and performers make use of playback in performances. One band, a quartet, had 96 inputs - half from live sources on the stage and the other 48 were from ProTools or Ableton. The band got the live inputs to their IEMs and the audience heard 98% tracks.
Many rappers are lip-syncing, too. The mics are hot so the hype and shoutouts are real, but most of the actual "song" is either the studio vocal or an edit of the studio vocal with some live components; soloing up the live mics in headphones, I can hear the performers moving, breathing, and maybe rapping along at a *very* low level until a shout out comes along.
A popular male country singer has a bad alcohol habit and can't utter a coherent sentence by the time he's on stage but his "sung" vocals are flawless; is it magic or an illusion? Another singer who has been on one of the contest TV shows lip syncs the last half (more or less) of his live show for the same reason - he's getting intoxicated on stage and develops both pitch and timing problems.
There are vocal tuning plug ins for digital mixing consoles that will work fast enough to be used live, and one of the most popular English-speaking performers has it applied to all non-spoken parts of the vocal performance, along with a dynamics and EQ processing chain that would have been low/mid-five figure$ back when everything was separate analog boxes.
Ultimately I work for the artist or someone they have hired for technical and artistic supervision. With some I get lots of artistic direction and discretion, with others there is lots of direction and little room to make changes of any sort (kind of like in theatre) after the tour starts. Some performers seem comforted by the technologies, some need the technologies to make them acceptable, live, others eschew most of it. My personal choice to start out organically and hear what the band or artist is actually doing, maybe apply a little reverb to put some air around it, and hear where their performance of that song, that day, takes us. I like the old ways of letting the art and magic happen on stage, and that my primary job is to share those things to everyone who showed up, artist-willing.
Well said! Miming anywhere, especially at a 'live' concert is about as low as it gets for any Art, and yes, it is widespread today...very, very widespread. Additionally, the near 100% abuse of tuning software (primarily Melodyne) has, today, destroyed 'pop' music as an Art form, and it's extreme abuse is widespread in many other genres.
We all remember, over 20 years ago, when Melodyne came out and alarm bels were immediately raised when we saw it so damn easily move data up/down in pitch, left/right to manipulate phrasing, increase/reduce vibrato, lengthen/shorten phrases, etc etc. Little wonder we are where we are today. Kids have, for over 20 years, been completely indoctrinated into accepting computer-perfected, dehumanized audio excrement. Such a damn shame, and a truly damning indictment on the music industry and government music/culture bodies that they continue to bury their heads in the sand.
The "Is it live, or is it Memorex?" campaign really exemplifies what you've said. Who would have believed back then that it was foreshadowing the future of musical entertainment?
@@ChrisM541I remember working local crew for a medium sized band in the early 80s. I was helping the sound engineer and was looking over his effects rack. I worked as Mixer/sound guy and grunt labor for a local rock band. Broke as hell we were lucky to have PA at all. Eager to learn I asked him to explain his vocal chain. I recognized reverb, delay and compression but was stumped by a Eventide Harmonizer. So he explained it some and demonstrated some. Color me stunned. My dumb redneck ass was being schooled. While well out of our price range, I really saw the endless possibilities. Now this effect is totally accepted, made cheap as a plug in for the world to use. Is it dishonest? I can't answer that, especially when applied to vocals. I was also challenged ethically when working a Hall and Oats show in the mid 80s. Under the stage were several keyboards where a guy was steady busy swapping 8 inch floppy disks between songs. Essentially he was playing the songs not the people on stage. Being the first time I saw this I lost all respect for the band. Sadly it only got worse over the years. Some like the Edge were totally upfront about their use of technology. But it was still him playing his instrument. Loved the Joshua Tree and Unforgettable Fire shows I was lucky enough to work.
Then came Autotune and similar devices like the Melodyne. Cher as an effect. No problem. But to hide the fact you can't hit pitch with a shotgun? Absurdly dishonest.
It's gotten to the point you can't trust a vocal. Unless it's off pitch, I guess. But I would always take the honest vocal even with imperfections over the corrected. Sure if she is up there dancing her ass off I expect it to be lip synced. No human could do it. It's a performance. But don't lie to me standing in front of a mic.
So I guess I will keep watching bar bands playing the blues. At least I know it's a human
Great points. Autotune Live STILL wouldn’t be sync’d with past performances or the album though, it’s the straight up lip sync that bothers us. Post Malone for example sings through Autotune live but at least it’s LIVE!
The older I get, the more I appreciate music from the 60s and 70s.
Everything you have presented here and before is just painfully obvious to anyone who is not tone deaf. You are a beaming light in all this darkness. Fil you are a LEGEND!
Even if you are sonically challenged (I wear hearing aids) the visual data does not lie.
Oh my God he's exposing all the horrible people that is trying to scam people
I second that emotion 🎉
Exactly. 👌🏼💯
For sure
I love all your efforts in these videos. I was interested to see Peter Gabriel recently admit to dubbing in his live show when his voice was weakened by a cold or such. He explained that he didn’t want the show to suffer when people had paid for the show. That's all we're saying. Be honest. If you have integrity, your fans will undertand.
Keep up the good work!
I'm not a professional musician or singer. I am "the audience" and I don't appreciate being deceived for any reason by anyone... especially those taking my money. You're an honest person in a deceptive industry, Fil. Much needed if you ask me. Your videos are very appreciated.
You wrote something I could absolutely say myself. Thanks to Fil's videos I know when NOT to go to a concert. The Eagles are an example, unfortunately. I was born too late to see them as a great band and won't pay outrageous ticket prices for a lip syncing circus show. Also, it's good my money won't go to Don Henley's bank account.
Music isn't supposed to be a magic show or a math competition where everything is supposed to be perfect, precise and true. Music is supposed to move your emotions, that's it. If you put yourself in the position to check if something is true, false, a sequence, a sample, you'll never enjoy anything anymore. And that's sad
In a way, I feel sorry for people who do this. They are locked into believing that this is all they are - a singer in a band, unable to pivot and pursue other avenues in life. It's self made trap.
all i can think is imagine paying hundreds of dollars/pounds/Euros etc to watch a live performance and it's lip synced. you could have brought a music DVD stayed home and watched it on a big screen TV with Dolby Digital surround sound and brought stuff off their webpage and avoided having punters scream for the 1st 20 seconds of every song and have plenty of money for food n drinks.
I've worked in corporate audio visual and experienced "stars" lip syncing at sporting events because it's just easier to set up from a technical standpoint BUT no one paid to hear them sing. they paid to watch a sporting event
there are bad actors everywhere, the industry is surely slanted in favor of companies but in no way is it 'deceptive' in nature, that's Ken's wrinkle.
As someone who went to a lot of live shows back in the 90s I can tell you that I don't care how good a singer or band is, they never ever sound the same as their recordings do. And they never EVER sound the same live twice! Like you say, it's literally impossible! Everything effects your singing voice: tiredness, sickness, excitedness, your mood that day, what you ate, how hydrated you are, even crowd reaction will change things in the way the singer sounds.
And dude, anyone who watches you can tell that you are such a sweet genuine person and not ever trying to hurt anyone. You have the kindest smile and voice and I know you're just trying to be honest in this situation and talk about something you're passionate about. Don't take strangers on the internet to heart bro. You know you're telling the truth so screw them lol.
Totally agree. I can only speak for myself but I'd rather hear a live vocal warts and all over a vocal using autotune live or even worse trying to pass off lip synching as actual live vocals.
Steve Perry, and Jimi Jamison did, for awhile. But you probably didn't see them back in the early 80's. You can find clips on TH-cam of live performances. Also, Geoff Tate did for awhile.
I agree, to a point. Yes, some musicians sound exactly the same live or recording. Check out Pil's analysis of George Michael, in fact, there are few! 😎🎤😘🎶🎶🎶Perfection!
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Ronnie James Dio.
@@bk4062 Milli Vanilli 🤣
Your ability to address negative comments - especially the insulting comments - with such straight forward data is admirable. Your calm rebuttals make the strongest argument for the integrity of your analysis. Thanks Fil.
It’s quite a show of good character and obviously a long time of doing this sort of thing, too. If I were doing this and needed (or felt the need) to respond to some of the hate comments, even with the data being undeniable there’s no way I’d be as calm and focused. In fact I don’t think it really says anything about the truth of the data. The data speaks for itself quite strikingly and still would even if Fil would’ve thrown a fit or something.
True .and Where is Tamplin?? Hes a pro utuber it's easy to do a reaction to analysis video for him to clear his name then
Why is he hiding ?? Where is he?? .
I love how he never gets personal back. That is a skill in itself.
Your honesty and integrity are much more important than the fandom!
Don't forget that people are crazy these days, Fil. (Seriously) You always bring the receipts and present ample proof of what you're asserting. Rock on. I think you're great!
People have always been crazy, but now any crazy person can get an audience online and spread their insanity.
@@ceb1970 hear hear; any piece of technology is a tool, tools are force multipliers, and if misused or abused... they can do damage; toasters are tools, don't stick a fork in your toaster; cars are tools, don't drink and drive; computers with online access are tools, don't engage in cyberbullying
common sense is being bred out of humanity in favor of intelligence and it's not good for anyone involved
@@CorvusCorone68 amen and agree
This!! Fil is way more polite about all this than I would ever be, and he is always focused on the facts.
Don't let the trolls get you down Fil! You are doing amazing work.
@@ceb1970 Not quite, but you're close. It's not that any crazy person can get an audience, but that any person can go online and find lots of other crazy people with the same crazy opinions
I have said this before. If The Julliard School in NYC asked you to be a guest lecturer that is credence enough for anyone to accept that you know exactly what you are talking about. Thank you for teaching us and for your honesty and integrity.
They did? Cool...
Wow! Thats amazing. I didn’t know that. Go Fil!
That is well cool 😎. Also, I love it that your name, Fil, is Norwegian! ❤
Fil DON'T EVER STOP BEING A TRUTH CRUSADER!❤
Fil is the Sherlock Holmes of audio authenticity 😁
No worries Fil, you have more followers than detractors. Also KT has been caught doing some 'strange' things with his website, like deleting all the bad comments and then replacing them with favourable comments WRITTEN BY HIMSELF!! All amongst a heap of other dishonest behaviour. So just keep fighting the good fight Fil, we're behind you Mate.
The haters are classic deniers
People need to know this.
Ditto!
you caught everyone who was lying and now they are trying to silence you. continue to make videos and bring the truth of the facts to light.
I was a full-time musician for 30 years; the people who think they are experts, but actually don’t know squat never cease to amaze me. Keep up the stellar work Fil you’re awesome!!
Just be wary of also thinking you or Fil are in fact experts and that the claims either way are beyond examination. This isn't my area of expertise, but I am concerned at Fil's use of words like 'irrefutable'. Real science always allows for challenges.. in a couple of these 'exact' matches, is it my imagination that I see slight mismatches..? and the analog to digital induced pitch change .. ?? was it really 'irrefutably' the only possible explanation? Some of these claims are not fully objective - if they were we'd see some numbers in regard to a proper frequency analysis.. Has this type of analysis been done in a scientifically rigorous environment? If not, why not..? Feel free to cite one.
@@chrlz904 Its interesting KT deleted the video and has not made a video response. If there was a simple explanation you would expect him to make a video about it.,
@@chrlz904 I need to know what you think Fils' software is analyzing pls
And you probably think Trump won in 2020 @chrlz904
@@chrlz904if you have ever done any recording or know what a wave file is youll know that if theyre even remotely close its the same signal, the differences you think you see are nothing, its the same
Mark Twain said that it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
He was a very wise man and an excellent observer of human nature.
people who take meds their doctor gave them, you can't convince them they've been fooled. This is most people.
Damn, what a quote
Indeed!! For many, their ego simply wont allow it.
@@otallono you advocate for pts not to take their cancer meds? You do you. Let others have a chance to live.
Aww bless you mate, the reason I subscribed is because you have no malice or agenda other than to educate with facts.
He’s also a talented guitarist. Check out the Fil Jams at the end of his livestreams. They’re backing tracks he’s never heard before, and plays guitar to. Last Saturday’s was a good one (sometimes the track that gets picked is meh, yet Fil still saves them with his playing).
Your ability to maintain composure and be kind is astounding.
When I’m ready to lose my cool, I need to remember, What Would Fil Say?
I generally don't "care" about many of these issues...but honestly, Fil, I frequently watch your videos because it's a great relief to see someone who is so nice, kind, careful, caring, appreciative, and even apologetic when he upends the beliefs of others. You are an example of a good human being. This is the number one reason I watch.
Absolutely!!!
Share your feelings. 💯
Rant on, Fil. These things need to be said by someone knowledgeable like you! 🤗🇲🇽
Wow…isn’t this amazing that Ken’s voice hasn’t changed in 34 years!! Truly a miracle….lol. I’ve learned so much, watching these videos. Thanks, Fil!
That's the snake oil he's selling, that his techniques will help you maintain your power and range for a lifetime. Of course he can only "prove" it by miming to an album track he recorded three decades ago, but what does he care as long as the marks keep paying?
It’s a miracle!!! Hahahahaha (sorry. That was mean.)
@@Durwood71This isn't in defence of him (Ken), but it is a comment on your criticism of him. If you take vocal lessons regularly, and you learn to sing properly with good technique, it is entirely reasonable to expect that you can maintain your vocal ability, because in learning to sing properly you are essentially training muscles. In Ken's case (and as Fil says) he can sing, and his channel output is that of someone who is a professional, so it's reasonable to expect that his vocals haven't altered much. If you're someone like me, starting as a largely untrained amateur, it's reasonable to expect the vocal would improve over time even if you're older, as mine has (improved lower register and improved connection between registers particularly). The only 'snake oil' would be to suggest that a vocal will be 100% accurate 100% of the time, so yes it's reasonable to criticise that aspect, but overall, not so much.
@@lilgreenmomo The fact that so many of Ken's videos are just lip synch theater gives us plenty of reason to question how good of a singer he really is.
neither is Corey Feldman, after 30 years, he still suck but at least he's real or just don't get the joke or whatever.
Ken Tamperin’ (with his vocals).
LEGENDARY!
Thank you Fil for being honest and truthful. No shame in that, keep up the good work mate!
Fil you absolutely nailed it when you said, "it's not that my video is negative, you're seeing what ever I'm explaining as negative". You're correct, it's their subjective opinion of what you're explaining. As you said you can't tell a person how to think, their free to think what ever they want. I've been watching your videos for years and you have never bashed anyone in your analysis videos. All you can do Fil, (and all you've ever done) is provide us with the hard data as proof of what we're hearing. The software you use doesn't lie. It's a shame some people continue to deny the truth. I don't know what to say except at this point, I don't think there's anything you could do or say to get the deniers to, "see the light."
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
EDIT- Hah, attributing this to Mark Twain because of my lazy google search is a good example of how this can happen. Except I have the ability to research a dispute and admit if I was incorrect about something which I am here, unlike the focus of this vid. So here is a genuine Mark Twain quote (unless someone proves this one wrong as well but I did my homework this time)
“If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.”
@@BoondockRoberts gotta love Mark Twain!
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Absolutely.
Exactly. Pointing out the fact that it was lip synched also pointed out the fact that these people were fooled and that pisses them off. Therefore they must attack the messenger rather than just accept the truth.
"I agree with Mark Twain."
- Geoffrey Chaucer
I hope that's true
Hang in there Fil - you are trying to open people's eyes and ears. Keep it up
It's refreshing to hear someone, who believes FACTS override opinion, state his case. Social media has made facts irrelevant.
Dont bother me with facts my mind is made up this old expression is so true
it would be way nicer if you were just talking bs - but unfortunately you nailed it
Yep, the facts are what we say they are. Like the wicked wich from oz said," what world, what a world"
Even judges are like "nah, it goes against the narritive".
you're on social media
I'm sure this is going to get buried, but thank you Fil. Thank you for being one of the kindest and gentlest souls on the internet.
I do not have a dog in this fight , however , your analysis is conclusive. The negative comments are without merit. Keep up the great work Fil!
Apparently, honesty is a crime to some people, which is quite saddening.
Fil, keep doing what you’re doing, man. This is one of the reasons why I subscribed to your channel in the first place. Cheers 🤘🏼
Hey Fil, I’m one of those people who saw you rather factually take down one of my favorite singers for not really playing guitar in his performances (John Cougar M) and had to agree with you. I didn’t take your analysis as something derogatory, just something factual. Love it! Keep up the great work Fil!! 👍🏼👍🏼
I can see how people are upset over the analysis of their favourite musicians, they feel cheated but they are taking it out (lashing out) at the wrong person. People need to take a breath and think objectively before commenting.
@@utha2665 There is not without a reason we have an expression like: "don't blame the messenger". It's a really common phenomenon that people don't want to be confronted with certain facts and blame the one bringing it up.
He shouldn’t even try to defend himself.
Most people won’t believe what they don’t want to believe. (We all have that problem to some extent. But there are people that are resistant to any kind of argument).
And others are not even capable to understand the explanation anyways. Some are just trolls.
Trying to convince those groups is just frustrating. 😅🤷🏼♀️
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Or buying tickets to any ticketmaster promoted production.
I missed that one! John Mellencamp (I think he dropped Cougar???) doesn't play the guitar at his concerts??? What would be the reason? Sorry, for the questions. I will watch Fil's video soon.
Made a similar comment in your last video: I enjoy KT's music, and have for a long time!
It seems to me, Fil, that you are absolutely correct in your analysis.
As much as it sucks to see it be about a musician I admire, it is still the truth. And thank you for bringing it.
I think what's been underappreciated is how immensely talented you are as a musician and vocalist in your own right. We only catch glimpses in your analisys videos but you are just as talented as the artists you are reviewing.
Milli Vanilli's agent and producer claimed others were lying and jealous about them as well. But the truth came out in the end.
And Bernie Madoff claimed he was a legit fund manager as well. Same with Sam Bankman Fried.
Well, it was the producer doing the singing 😉
Great example - but even worse than what Ken did.
@@rsdemarco While KT is lip syncing to studio recordings of his own voice, it's still pretty deceptive for a vocal coach to be miming in a live performance, instead of actually singing live.
😂😂😂 🙌🙌🙌
Fantastic analysis! As a professional scientist myself who has also played guitar and recorded for years, seeing those waveforms line up so perfectly was all the proof I - and anyone with even the slightest audio editing experience - needed that Ken was miming to a track he recorded years ago. Sad days when people think lying to their viewers is acceptable. Then again, today's music industry is full of 'artists' miming to their audiences at 'live' concerts.
You're doing a fantastic job, Fil. Glad this is getting some excellent airtime.
You aren't a singer dude. I can sing many songs exactly the same..jesus christ are you people lost. After 5,000 times singing the same stupid 2-3 minutes you will not find a pitch different whatsoever. Every grunt, hoot and howl is precisely the same stupid thing. You guys are thinking of bands or live..then its impossible...but singing alone in a room or studio? Jesus christ guys..its like riding a bike.
Facts don't mean anything anymore. The world we live in😢
@@thomasbennett4853 Yep, it is indeed sad. The post-truth mindset is so prevalent and I wish I could have lived long enough to see a future generation snap out of it, but...alas.
@@dogsmusicbookstravelscience,
Did you die?
The way you worded that reads like you’re posting from the after life.
Do you think that the twenty and thirty somethings are as messed up as the boomers, Gen X-ers, and the remnants of the silent generation?
That one at 15:41 really angered me. A "true servant of God" wouldn't be so blatantly LYING.
I'm so sick of this stuff. Thanks for all you do, Fil! You always back up what you say with the facts. If people choose to ignore them that's on them. Please never stop exposing these liars!
For such a man of faith, KT apparently lacks faith in his own ability to sing the high parts live without miming.
Agree and besides uses godly threats. I am Christian but despise ppl that use God's name to threat others like that dude did. Fil is correct 💯 and the other guy is a pharisee (talking about the guy that commented )
@@slatskatya Yup, I was a Christian once, and seem to remember a few things about pointing out the splinter in another's eye while ignoring the log in your own. and 'judge not, lest ye be judged'. There are about 100 others that apply. It is strange now, to not be religious, and know far more about the teachings in the bible than most of these bible thumpers. The real and most basic premise, with regard to human interaction, is to love your fellow man, which is precisely the opposite of what they do, apparently. I don't buy the hocus pocus in the bible anymore, but the REAL Earthly basic premise of Christianity is kind of unassailable, and it is most definitely not hate, exclusion, belittling, judging, yada, yada. I hear a preacher once say that if Christians acted a little more saved, maybe people who aren't Christians might be more interested. I concur. And yes, I've known both kinds, some who walk the walk far better than I ever have.
@MrJdsenior 😢 I'm very sorry you said ONCE was a Christian!!!
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As for Jesus saying Do not JUDGE..
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We're all CALLED to make RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENTS
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Our APOSTLE is paul ...GRACE message
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As for Jesus..
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JESUS was addressing a " Jewish ".. crowd.
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God loves you VERY MUCH.!❤
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It's BETTER.. to Read.. at home
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As a believer, I'm ashamed of that kind of talk.
Your Rory Gallagher T shirt is great. I cannot find that anywhere….Hats off to you Fil, good video, keep up the good work.
I am not a vocal coach blah, blah, blah... I have been watching your channel for ages and KNOW you to be honest, trustworthy and to my knowledge has never shared a video for "view grabs." YOU ARE A TEACHER AND TRUTH TELLER! You have educated so many people with ONLY GOOD INTENT and I thank you for that.
"Every violation of truth is not only a sort of $uicide in the liar, but is a stab at the health of human society." ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
Don't worry about that person who unsubscribed. I've been watching from the shadows for a while....today is the day I subscribe.
Ditto
Yep. Saying again, Fil will gain more subs than he loses. Truth is becoming a hot commodity...
Thank god I'm not the only one. I subbed after watching this one too, having been watching the channel for a while casually. Partly as a middle finger to the commenter who said they unsubbed, but mostly because Fil is providing valuable, entertaining and well-considered content
Me too! 😊
Welcome to the Filistines
The ignorance is OFF the charts anymore...
You're doing a great job at describing these things! Thank you FIL!🌷
I've followed Kens' channel for years. I can clearly "hear" the differences in the live concert, let alone the physical analysis. You are spot on!
Thank you, Fil.
Thanks for the donation!
Love how you respond to the criticisms so calmly, objectively (sp?) and factually
Because he always speaks the truth!
He is British - they come across very polite even when they are angry or frustrated- he is well spoken
Right before watching this video, I watched a Steve Perry interview where he was talking about the voice being a fickle instrument. Very insightful interview, and as a singer myself I agree with what he said about the voice having a personality all its own: one day it's great, the next it's off, the next it's better than ever, the next it is still laying in bed and refuses to cooperate at all. The singer is the instrument, and the singer is not a machine. It's disturbing that the music industry reduces a human being to a machine; that human beings are defending the dehumanizing of artists; and that artists willingly participate in many cases. Very disturbing. Fil, these analysis videos are golden.
It's funny, i must have watched every interview steve has ever done because I knew immediately what interview you were referring to. 😅
I should be beaten for squandering what I was given. I didn't see that it was this valuable. I feel you.
FIL!!!! You always make complete and objective sense. I was crushed to see the analysis of Celine’s performance at the Olympics BUT it is exactly this that kept me coming back. You show the data, explain the data, and bam… the conclusion writes itself. ❤
damnit Fil, just when i think i couldnt like your content any more than i already do, you over-deliver yet again!
this video is a master class in professionalism, teaching and just being a good dude.
your tone, knowledge of the subject, objective approach and delivery are the gold standard (to me) for videos like this and its predecessor.
thanks!
with only 0.7% dislikes, i'd say most people agree with you and support you. there are always a few people who are unappeasable. but I definitely admire your ability to challenge those who disagree with you, to stand up to them with additional evidence in such a positive way.
75- year old lifetime pro here. CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH, FIL!!!
You look great for 75 Adam, keep rocking! 🎸🤘🏻
@@Mandy7D7 You're an awesome human being!! ☮
Thorough, illuminating analysis done in a very objective and respectful way👍 (I’m an audio engineer and understand the impossibilities you highlight). Im not familiar with Ken but he seems to be a serious/excellent vocalist. There’s loads of tricks and procedures to “enhance” vocals today (like it or not, it’s commonplace). Unfortunately, he and his commenting fans seem to be uncomfortable and defensive with him being under the microscope (which is understandable), but his denial/cover-up is awkward/unfortunate🧐
It can be tough being a messenger - appreciate your work!
You're 100% correct, Fil. The facts are there and those of us with sound engineering training can spot it a mile off, both with the waveforms and even without. People's feelings are irrelevant - honesty and facts, not feelings are all that matter here
Dude, you proved your argument scientifically. There can be no dispute.
He has no idea what he's talking about!! He's not even a singer!!
@@stoneneils Actually he does. You simply can't replicate the micro timing like that if they are two different takes.
There's always disputes 😢
@@stoneneils He IS a singer. Truth hurts.
@@stoneneils Yet the data is very clear and conclusive. And yes, he is a musician and singer. Anyways, you're always welcome to present the data you gathered that will verify your statement (if you have done such research).
I really appreciate your work, Your kind (to a fault) approach and integrity are are unquestionable. I've learned so much from you channel over the years, and learned to appreciate great vocalists more than ever. Through you, I've also been introduced to so many great vocalists I never knew before, so thank you.
I am sorry to see you are going through this. People will believe anything, which is super dangerous with all the AI and digital manipulation that is going on.
Yes, indeed,
people always hate the fact that those they really admire have feet of clay, it is hard to turn loose of an image you have of some one
You're sorry to see him going through that??!! He's getting moneymaking content out of it, save your sympathies for people who eat uncooked chicken and then suffer from explosive diarrhea.
@@iSiberianHusky your mad cuz he exposed the facts
@@rickgrebenikpuggles56 Pal, I'm on his side. I'm just saying the first comment is incredibly dumb.
Nearly all of the commenters you referenced, in addition to being wrong on the facts, are also resorting to fallacious arguments. "Who are you to criticize?" Ad hominem attack/Courtier's reply. "I'm a famous singer and producer and I know!" Argument from authority. "Kent would never lipsync, he doesn't do that!" Circular reasoning/proof by assertion/moralistic reasoning. "Why do you attack Kent -- you're being mean!" Appeal to emotion/appeal to motivation. "Everyone knows Kent doesn't lipsync." Appeal to tradition/circular reasoning. "I am unsubscribing because of this!" Poisoning the well. So these negative comments were both unfactual and illogical. Keep going Fil! Your analysis is much appreciated!
Former teacher of rhetoric and argumentation approves this message.
Fil will pick up more subs than he loses...
Yep, appeal to authority is only acceptable when the authority gives evidence of being an acceptable authority.
Kent caught with his trousers down!!!!
Nicely summed up. My favorite is “they make more money than you” whatever category that falls under
Keep telling the truth Fil. Don’t let the trolls get to you. Just keep explaining what your experience reveals!
People resort to name calling when they have no real argument or when they can't come up with a rebuttal.
Thank you for your excellent work! It even appears that KT has actually been miming since 1989. (when KT was in his mid 20s) Marc Ajax proved (in Marc's recent YT video) that KT's live performance with Shout at Cornerstone in 1989 (also found on YT) involved the use of pre-recorded studio album tracks that KT mimed to. It appears that KT has been miming in front of live audiences since his mid 20s.
Hmm, same year as the Milli Vanilli lip synch debacle🤔
@@Rkbmomma Interesting coincidence. The Lord works in mysterious ways. LOL
It sounds like his actual real job is being a professional pretender more than a vocal coach, lol.
Ah. So...well...they're right then. His vocals HAVEN'T changed in all those years...they've been canned the whole time!
Thank you kindly, Fil, for another excellent analysis video! You are a man of integrity, and you always show us proof that what you're explaining to us is so. You're doing an incredible job, so don't change for no one. Rock!
Fil, I want you to know that I value truth and science over fluff and deception. Thank you for standing by truth.
I love your work, man. It's actually made me appreciate artist who lower the tone of their songs to be able to perform them live. I mean, they do really sing their songs even if changes have to be made. I know it is my opinion and not the reason why you make these analysis, but it really makes you value singers that are commited to actually singing live.
Nowadays, I love it whenever a singer is slightly out of tune or makes a mistake. I mean, isn't that what a live performance is all about? Aren't they human beings?
Great videos, keep up the outstanding job!
As a professional musician, singer/guitarist, since 1970, your expose on today's "music" is truthful, accurate and a boost and shout out to all of the genuine musicians, from the old guys to the newcomers. Keep up the great work! (And you are quite a great musician!) Thank You, Fil!
Mike
Columbia, SC
USA
Love your channel. It's really about honesty. It's ok if it's not live "most super bowls for instance" as long as you are honest.
Thanks Fil for your work, you're a nice person.
Thank you and thanks for the donation!
My mom used to always say, "don't do the right thing when it's hard because you think everyone will understand and appreciate you. They usually won't. Do it because it's important to you." There are always lies, gossip and mischaracterizations that will inevitably come your way when you reveal difficult truths people don't want to hear. When many people are emotionally invested in an artist, they don't WANT to know the seedy underside of how the sausage gets made. Sorry you lost subscribers but please know that you've likely gained respect from the vast majority of us who regularly follow your content. Rock, my friend!
Fil does a nice job of just trying to plead his case without anger. Trying to get ppl to understand. He's very patient and heartfelt.
At a very quick glance at just a bit of this comment thread, Fil seems to have picked up at least three new subs because of this...and that's just three I noticed. I'm quite sure he'll gain more than he loses.
Moral of the story: don't get emotionally invested in an artist. They are never who they appear to be.
Just subscribed.
@@zyxwut321 very well said!
Fil this is a great Channel doing a real service.
Keep up the great work!
Please, continue to “bore” us with objective data! It’s greatly appreciated as a technical information and very educational.
I would like to formally request that you keep making videos... regardless of whom's butt gets hurt 🤘
There’s always about 1/3 of the population that will not except the truth if they don’t want that truth to be true. It’s very sad but most of us can see through your analysis where the truth lies & we are still here for you.
Great explanation. Love your ability to explain things clearly.
There's never a wrong time to do the right thing.
I believe in your honesty 👍💯
Youve always been the most professional, accurate and honest analyst Fil. no doubt about your credentials at all.
Yours is one of the few channels on youtube which I am subscribed to, because you are very logical, scientific and respectful in your videos, and you explain things very well. Anyone who disagrees with clearly-presented, objective evidence without valid counter-arguments should just be ignored, they don't deserve more time wasted on them! Please keep up the excellent work, it's much appreciated.
Fil, your integrity is unquestionable. Continue with the very informative work that you do! This is a really great channel.
great job Fil, I so appreciate your analysis and the time you put into it, these days people just don't want truth, if it goes against their expectations,
You are doing the music industry a service, and a service to us, its listeners. Please don't stop.
Yes, he is doing a service for honest musicians that actually don't fake live performances.
@13:00 "He didn't lip sink - I'm a high level vocalist, guitarist and record producer." lol absolute gold that is.
The lip sink is for washing one's kisser.
Fil is completely objective and gets vilified for it. What a world.
SOP for at least half the human race, actually. And you can take that from either side you wish. :-)
wow, you address this SO calmly and professionally. i get really frustrated when people say i'm wrong when i'm definitely not wrong. it's extremely clear that the guy was lipsyncing. he put on a prerecorded audio as the vocals changed completely from intro to singing. it was perfectly clear AND your additional data is irrefutable proof.
I think you’re so clear, thorough and honest in what you do that you needn’t explain yourself. If people don’t get it, they either honestly don’t have a clue (but you know what it’s like, the less people know in reality, the more they think or claim to know) or they are completely & irrationally biased.
Hi Fil, you reading out those comments had me chuckling, thanks for getting my weekend off to fantastic start 😂
Keep up the great and truthful work 👍
I know it was a serious video, but the comments did give me some good chuckles too. 😂😂
Hey, another George Michael Fan! 🕯😇🥰🎶🎶🎶 Have you seen Pil's analyses of George? Awesome!
Good on you Fil for presenting truth and facts. Living in the USA I know how facts are uncomfortable for some people. Pointing out that someone may not be on the up and up can destroy those who idolize them, and they fire back with negativity. The fact is, nobody is perfect and frankly there is nothing wrong with using technology to help live performances or even recordings. It just would be nice if they were honest about it so that their fans can understand it's okay to point it out. Keep up the good work.
Are there more people like you, on TH-cam? This is very educational. I know more than many other more musically skilled persons, because of you! I sometimes pitchcorrect at some notes when I'm too far from the pitch I want to nail. And I'm honest about it, no secrets or lies needed.
There is only 1 Fil
"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck". I’m not an expert, and it looked to me like he was miming. And you’ve proved it. Keep up the good work
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, it might actually be a seagull in a duck costume lip-syncing the quacks!
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So sorry Fil that you've had to go through this mess.
100% supporter of this channel and will continue to be a subscriber.
Thanks!
Thank you!
Fil, keep on producing your quality content.
You have to allow for people being willfully ignorant or just plain thick.
It is literally impossible to reproduce the same waveform without either using a sample of that waveform or just copy and pasting it.
If a live audio waveform is the same as the recorded waveform, the artist is miming.
Period.
You are right, Fil. I support you. Thanks for your honesty.
I went back and watched the video. You are 100% correct. I’m not a vocal coach nor a professional musician. I could even tell the difference. Keep doing what you’re doing!
Simply put, people just don't want to believe it.
Having double-standard is kind of a human nature with which people preserve the integrity of the worlds they perceive. Hence you are actually fighting with human nature. This fight is hard, but you have done very well.
I fully support your objective analysis and honest comments. Keep fighting, never surrender!
I wouldn’t worry about it. The hate comments are probably from Ken himself on one of his many fake accounts. I proved this on my latest vid 🔥 keep spreading actual truth, Fil
It's a shame they don't understand, but now with the 4K data added hopefully they'll see and appreciate all 3 pre-recorded vocals are from 1990.
@@wingsofpegasusYup. Dude didn’t even bother to create a new lipsyncing track. Just lazy. Or assumes everyone is stupid. I’m leaning towards the second after his responses. Just awful.
@M2Singing I think you're 100% correct. It is honestly quite predatory, Ken is taking advantage of people who are too new to singing to recognize his fakery and manipulation. Then he actively censors other creators to keep his audience ignorant. Very cult-ish vibes.
That's what I thought 😂
@@wingsofpegasus 🙋🏻💕
People get so confused about objective versus subjective information lately. Thanks for your OBJECTIVE analysis.
Fil.. YOU ARE THE BEST!! Thank you for standing your ground and being kind and professional. Unfortunately, people hate the truth 😞
Very strange of those commenters to bring religion into it. What does that have to do with anything?
Anyway, thanks for this. Your videos are always interesting and I appreciate your non-judgemental attitude towards the artists you analyze very much :)
Religion is naturally concerned with fakery, because it is based on fakery and lies itself, and anyone who exposes small lies is a danger because he might expose the big lies (like there being another world where a God judges men after their death...) In a world where everybody had high respect for truth (less loftily said, for reality), there would be no priests, no scripture and no religion. They thrive on people being gullible and trusting tall tales more than their own senses.
One thing I noticed in these replies... they never refuted you with facts, data or any other alternative version of analysis; they just voiced their opinion.
Absolutely. There's a lot of arguments from authority going on here. "Trust me. I've been doing this for xx years. I know what I'm talking about"
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but that doesn't mean they're right.
It's either kindergarten insults ("you're jelly") or trying to deviate from the discussion with specious "logic" (what about music videos; he uses backing vocals; etc.). Not to mention the condescension, using religion. Thankfully it doesn't even seem to register with Fil, lol.
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Like they say...
"You're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to 'your own' facts"
@@markmorris8532 - Or that.
Great work, Fil 👍 You´re my hero for being so brave and honest and I´m on your side 100%. The facts you´re presenting are spot on, easy to understand and a 100% objective and indisputable. How someone can even think of question your analyses is incomprehensible to me. I´m an amatuer musician and singer since 40 years and all this faking going on with autotune, pitch correction, lipsinking etc etc. makes med angry and dissapointed. All this new technology has, unfortunatley, made it possible for less talented wannabees to do careers in music, inspite of their lack of talent. The music industry is more sick now than ever before with a lot of fake, fake fake and it will eventually cause its own death. Keep up the great work, Fil!!
Excellent video, I learned something new. What I have learned over a lifetime, is that the "messenger" of '"bad news" often gets caught in the cross-hairs of people who have hard time accepting difficult truths. Hang in there.
Love your videos - it's great to see factual analysis of vocals. You are never mean-spirited or condescending when you do an analysis. Keep up the good work!