When Copying gets morally sketchy | Art + chat
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- What distinction is there between copying and stealing? The difference might seem obvious, but there are nuances that can put us in a moral gray zone when it comes to copying from our favorite artists. In the end it comes down to your personal ethical compass. If your work is inspired by someone else, say so. If you directly copied or even traced someone else’s drawing, it’s only ethical to clearly credit the person who created the original drawing/artwork or at least state that you are not using your original art. What are your thoughts?
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I always feel so terrible when I copy someone else's work. It really feels dishonest to me. I don't display it or use it in any way for personal profit, but I do use others' work to inspire my own pieces that I'll use to decorate my home or embellish a birthday card, or just see if I can do it, then tuck it away in a book with many others. I recently joined your channel and LOVE watching your videos. The way you speak and share in your videos makes me feel like you're sitting right next to me and we're creating together. Thank you for putting the amazing in your work, and yourself!
Betsi, not only is Ur art so special and beautiful and inspiring, SO ARE YOU. Generous, sincere, unassuming, humble and so full of respect for others. This video touched me deeply, not only because of its content, or the charming little doodle, but because of Ur beautiful heart. ❤thank U.
Thank you so much for your kind words 💜. I’m here to provide whatever motivation I can.
This is sich an important topic for discussion and awareness to the world.
Well done for discussing🌻
Thanks. I’m glad you think so 💙
1) I stumbled across your channel about a week ago and your drawings have ignited my creative spirit. After not picking up a drawing implement for years, I went out and bought a small notebook and a couple of decent ink pens. And I’m copying lots of elements of your drawings! But I’m NOT posting them anywhere, lol! Your techniques and instruction are simply infectious. The fact that so many of us are following you is testament to that. Thank you for making me feel like a real artist. I wish you could have heard what my husband said when he saw my sketchbook!
2)There is a special ring in hell for those who appropriate others work and talent for their own glory.
I’m so glad you’re gaining a little inspiration from my videos 💜😊💜.
I totally agree, one painting i did someone's sister inlaw took inspiration and did a similar yet different take on it, you could clearly see the similarities in it but it was different enough to be her own which was the most amazing feeling especially because at that point i didnt think my artwork was very good. I was actually very shocked they thought it was that good that they wanted to do something similar!
But if it was copied exactly the same it would have been a different feeling and is the same reason i share videos to hopefully inspire someone to see that one thing they can apply to their own unique creations 🙏💖
Exactly! The feeling is amazing when you know you inspired someone.
I love your artwork. It is beautiful and I love the messages that come with it. I am very sorry that people can be so awful as to steal your work. I thank you for sharing your work and helping people like me draw and doodle with the knowledge you impart. Most people love to draw and doodle and if you can do this with some knowledge and be happy with what you have done that's a blessing and a very positive experience. I thank artists like you every day who put themselves out there so we can learn from your teachings.
I really appreciate that. I suppose it's just part of the journey.
Miss Betsi- I just found you. What a great composition artist you are.
I, also, have been doing my own version of what is now called Zentangle since 1956.
I find your designs quite inspiring and appreciate your honesty. You’re right. Recognizing and giving credit for inspiration has never hurt an artist. It only adds credit and trust to their own art. Thank you for such a good explanation. Vickie / STL MO U. S. A.
Absolutely. That's wonderful that you've been creating for so long. Its a strange thing when someone comes along and gives a name to something we've been doing for a while. Just like you, I've been doing this since the 90s (not as long as you have of course). It's so relaxing and intuitive, I'm sure there were many already practicing. Thank you for watching the video and joining the conversation. 💙🦋💙
Great discussion. Your artwork is inspirational. It is important to recognize the source of inspiration. There is a difference between being inspired and imitating exactly what someone has done without giving credit. Thank you for sharing your beautiful work, your thought process and your techniques.
I really admire your work. Your line work is so free! I copy your work hoping to figure out how you do that. The frustration of having your work stolen must be miserable. Thank you for sharing what you do.
Thank you very much! Keep on practicing. You'll develop your own flow in time.
I'm a bit shocked, but then pleased that you found that Instagram video! Everywhere people are so greedy, and it such a shame. I usually put on my FB that this was adapted from or inspired by.... Your videos inspire me all the time - thank you so much for that 🙂🌻
What an amazing and beautiful artist / person you are to share so people can learn. You absolutely deserve to be acknowledged for your art especially when someone has copied or taken your tutorial as their own. You have given me that push to get back into my drawing and following your videos helps stem my creativity. So Thank You!
😊 I'm so glad I could help a little. A regular drawing practice is achievable by everyone and it can be such good therapy.
Wow, thank you!
With true artists there is an enormous generosity.
I understand what you mean.. I notice lots of thieves harvesting other folks content! Its one of the reasons I haven't posted my own original doodles in a while. Plus, I was unsure if it was ok to mimic my favorite inspirational artists ( such as yourself 🤗). I always gave credit go who I !earned from just to illustrate how excited I get to learn ways to express my pleasure in achieving a higher level of skill Your narrative here is 100% spot on!! Thank You so much!!!! I really Love your design process here!!
Please have a Lovely and Creative Week!!! Happiness Blessings To You and Yours!🙏🌹🙋♀️- Mindi
Oh! I also write down the artist, date, etc on my inspired pieces. Plus thoughts of ways to color or what other materials go try a design/ pattern that might !Lol really cool. Mostly for future reference and to show who I learned from. The right thing to do.. Many artists in the past obviously borrowed from each other. And you are right, it IS a form of flattery!! But to blatantly take someone else's content without permission and call your own in order to profit off it is wrong! Ok sorry for the babble lol! I'm grabbing my pen and paper and learn how to make a pretty image with hour technique! Cheers!🌹
Ty for sharing this and let me commend you for putting this so succinctly that I believe it is a master class in the subject of thievery that applies to the digital world and the world in all aspects of creativity. I agree with you wholeheartedly! Whilst in my effort to not ramble on…I’ll share that I just received the pens you’re using here, and so generously shared with us (I used the link), and hope you receive the stipend for my purchase. Today I will be using them on my journey to add ink, to my quest to remain calm, keep my wits about me and hopefully my blood pressure and heart rate down. I could never thank you for all you’ve brought to my life so far, and I’ve just recently found you. 🙏 So very grateful! 💜🌻
You've totally made my day 🌄. I wish for you the best on your journey with mindfulness and doodling.
Miss Betsy…….I have really enjoyed your videos but this one was the best. Thank you for putting things right. Now they know the difference and hopefully this will be a better world. Thank you, thank you and thank you again. You are one awesome lady ……and talented too.
Your art ideas are the only "doodles" I've managed to emulate that made me feel good. I've tried "copying" many many other doodly art styles before, and my attempts always looked horrible to the point where I thought I was doomed. But I tried those fanned leaves from Aug 7th the other day, and they looked good. My brother even glanced at it and said "huh, I didn't know you could draw" and I've shown him lots of things I've drawn before... So thank you! You've shown me that I'm not doomed, I just need to keep experimenting.
Wow thank you so much 💙. That means so much to me 😊
First time here; I was mesmerized watching you draw. Very relaxing and listening to your message and your soothing voice was a good experience. I like that you are humble and sincere. Don't sell yourself short though, you are a good artist and have intuitive talent.
Thank you so much. I appreciate your kindness 💙🙂💙. I'm glad I'm able to share what I know.
Thank you for bringing this subject up because it is definitely something we all need more awareness of. You were so kind in your description of the problem and calm. That too brings a civil tone to this serious topic. I greatly appreciate your work and your integrity in helping all to understand this topic more clearly.
Thank you so much!
Proper use of social media is sharing other creators as intended. Stealing content and claiming it as one’s own is just theft. Same goes for copying other art in the process of learning techniques and skills, but the line is crossed if someone sells the copy as their own original art. Your work is lovely and greatly appreciated.
I love to watch you draw you make it look so easy, I'm retired and I like to doodle you've opened my eyes to so many ways,my grand daughter love to draw I can't wait to show her your style thank you.
Thank you so much 😀
I understand exactly what you are saying... You are happy to "inspire" someone to be creative... But you do not authorize someone to use your content to further their own situation.....I agree with you. And I applaud you for being bold enough to tell that person that they are wrong. There is nothing wrong with standing up for yourself and protecting your beautiful artwork. It's a shame you would even have to confront anyone. Smh.... People won't put in the work to create for themselves... Instead they troll other peoples channels or pages... Committing artistic robbery. Sad.
Absolutely. Sometimes it feels like some people just have no boundaries. I'm sure there are plenty of times it happened and I never found out, but maybe it was better that way.
@@betsi_jae I believe Father lets us know when we have an "appointment" with someone... For whatever reason... You were meant to confront that person... Because they needed a reality check 👍🏻 Hopefully it forces him to make some changes
You make this look effortless. I've tried this a dozen times and it still doesnt look as beautiful as yours. Your work is beautiful. You are one of 2 of my favorite to watch and learn from. Zentangle is something i discovered a few months and love it. Still learning and my work is not the best but i keep trying. The process has been great for my mental health. Thank you
I can not thank you enough for your, art, wonderful instruction, the calm I feel when listening, watching and learning from you and the art you are so willing to share. Because of multiple issues with my spine, I have had to give up the many artistic persuits I have found great joy and pride. The litany of those pursuits as well as those I found suscess in, mainly painting florals in watercolor ( I love painting and drawing leaves) I can no longer enjoy due to the limitations of my back and neck.
I found your wonder art, I love shading and just doodling. I always have pencils and ink pens and have a collection of drawings pinned up on the walls of my art room. I carry a small art journal with me now all the time. Yours lit up my mind and I thought "could I do this"? Well yes I can, not with the gentle flowing of ink to paper you display. But when I do copy and practice your work dispite the fact that they are nowhere as beautiful as yours, I always feel like Im stealing a portion of you. Thank you so much for not only knowing what I do is ok with you, but learning a new skill from you and honing my own. Oh! and I have always shown and mentioned your videos to those who see my own work. I am lucky to have found your site.
Than you so much💕 and I'm glad you're finding new ways to be creative. For what it's worth I'm glad you're here and I'm glad I can contribute to your drawing practice. Keep it up, it can only get better.
Your doodlings are absolutely mesmerizing. Thank you for sharing your passion and inspiring others to create something beautiful 💚
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoy my drawings 💜💚💜
I love this! I would love to put something like this on top of a watercolor background. I know that these pens aren't waterproof, but you could totally do a drawing/design like this on top of dry watercolor.
On all my practice sketches from your videos I write "after Miss Betsi" an online teacher. Even if I don't share. If anyone found my work, took it, or I died, I don't want them to think they were original.Even if my copy is very poor quality. I do the same when I copy famous oil paintings for practice. They are all studies after a great artist, like you!
Wow thank you for writing down that your drawings came from my tutorials 💕. I do the same thing when I write down recipes. I don't want my relatives to think that U came up with it myself. I had help🙂.
Thank you!!! What you said needed to be said! I sure love your work! I am learning how to create beautiful drawings from your tutorials. You are so amazing.
Thank you so much! Some of these things are uncomfortable to put out there, but they truly need to be said.
Dear Miss Betsy, your work is absolutely gorgeous! I have just subscribed to your channel. Every thing you have discussed in this video is on point! What that person did was not honorable at all. That person was taking your creative work whether subtle or not, and claiming it as their own. That is thievery…Period!!! Shame on that person for doing that. On a lighter note, I must say that, as I try to follow along with you, trying my best, to be creative, your voice is so soothing to me. Sketching while listening to your voice is the best ASMR that I have come across! Thank you Miss Betsy. Keep up the great and very inspirational work. We appreciate you 😊🙏🏽💖
Welcome and thank you for subbing! 💕 I’m glad you enjoyed the video. It’s funny that a good amount of folks have told me that my voice is soothing 😅. Before I started this channel, I was terrified of my own voice, afraid that it would be dull or boring or even annoying. I’m so glad you find it pleasant.
Copying has been a part of how we learn to make art for as long as people have made art. Sitting in museum galleries sketching from the collection was, historically, an important part of any artist's education and training. Unfortunately, that historical practice has fallen by the wayside.
I completely agree. There is a huge benefit to drawing from observation, with one’s own eyes. It’s hard to do that now that we have screens to work with.
I had to double check my Instagram post from earlier today to make sure I tagged you🥰 I use your techniques but my designs are different but I still tag you. I don't draw for money I do it for healing. Please reach out if I ever over step. Thabk you for sharing your work with us. You are so inspiring!! I appreciate you!
I really appreciate that you are tagging me in your posts 💕💜💕. Mostly I just want to see what you’re making 😊, so I can have a little dopamine spike from seeing you get creative.
@@betsi_jae I homeschool my two youngest and as they work on their assignments I will "doodle" and then if I am anxious I will grab my sketchbook and "doodle" then.
Feel free to give any critiques😊 I really enjoy it but have so much to learn. I look forward to your videos and have binge watched all of your previous ones🥰
You ARE good. Great, in fact, in my mind anyway, and in many others, I'm sure. I actually attempt to copy your drawings in order to get the method and technique down, but they're hardly recognizable, and I certainly wouldn't share and try to pass it off as my design. But copying is how I learn, and I can't even express how grateful I am to have discovered you and to you for constantly sharing. So thank you...again.
That’s exactly what copying is for 💜… it’s a method for learning, for practicing. It may not look “perfect” at first, but with practice it evolves.
Thank you for your amazing work. I think a simple ‘inspired by’ is the right thing to do. It acknowledges the original and also showcases any progress made.
Well said! 😊
This was awesome. Sorry you’ve had negative experiences with that but you deal well with it. It is good to hear your perspective regarding the ethical line that can be easily crossed without fully comprehending the consequences, however, as the judge will tell you, ignorance of the law is not a defense. On a different note, I love the process you’ve shown in your tutorials and I’m impressing myself(mostly an appreciator of art, not usually a creator) with attempting to copy your process as I learn how to create the shapes and learn shading. So…thank you so much for that. Sorry for the tome.❤
Thank you 💙. I’m glad you’ve decided to have your hand at drawing. It can be very rewarding and even meditative.
Thank you for this video. It's such an important topic. I can really relate because I have two self-published books and they are constantly pirated. As a small business I don't have the capacity to go after the pirates but every time I get a notification it pisses me off. Just have to let it go though. Anyhow, I really appreciate your thoughtful comments, you're willingness to share and inspire! If I ever start posting my work to Instagram, I will be sure to tag you and mention any image I make that has some inspiration from your work.
I cant believe your books are being pirated! How do you find out? I’ve been dreaming of publishing some written work, but I’m terrified of this happening 😔
Thank you we are listening.. don't ever stop showing us your beautiful videos and masterpieces🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻
17:57 You don’t think you’re talented??? I’m sorry, I have to disagree, Miss Betsi! You’re an inspirational artist PLUS a fantastic teacher!
😅 I hope it didn’t sound odd that I say that. In the past I’ve felt like I was some kind of art queen, but I’ve learned that it isn’t good to be over confident. I have so much to learn, and so much to implement into my art practice. Thank you, and I’m glad you’re enjoying my work 💛
@@betsi_jae Because of you, I’ve picked up a notebook and some ink pens. I also have a lot to learn, but you got me started!
So sorry to hear that people have stolen from you, Someone once said that first you walk in someone elses shoes,(when learning) but eventually those shoes wear out and you get your own style, I just want to doodle, I do some Petrikivka art (for my own relaxation), but doodling is relaxing and I'm looking for something relaxing and not for making money. Thank you once again.
That is such a wonderful insight. I love your point of view on the matter, and I agree that it's perfectly fine to incorporate others creations into your own practice. Eventually we may take the training wheels off and choose to create our own unique pieces. 💜
I absolutely do not share what I don’t want copied.
In my mind I could NEVER claim someone else's artwork is mine because I KNOW I didn't create it! What benefit would I get - it's lying to myself...
However, there will always b ppl w/o a conscience and will steal anything for the sake of it...
Your artwork is amazing and INSPIRES me to create...
True 😔. Some people will do bad things simply because they can. I’m glad you’re here 💙 and I hope you find joy in your journey of creation.
I think anyone who claims to have a passive income should be subject to psychiatric testing. Think of all the sociopaths we could find!
This was such an interesting video. I like that you shared your view. I can imagine the effort behind making these videos.
Couldn’t wait to wake up and watch ❤
Your artwork is amazing. I get not bragging about yourself and your accomplishments but let me assure you, you are really good.
I am a writer. On several occasions I have had people blatantly steal what I have written and claim it as their own in public and even in published works. They didn't even have the sense to hide it! I have had people take credit for my artwork and photography as well. Obviously, artists inspire others. Why bother doing anything if it isn't inspirational? There is a big difference between being inspired to try something and replicating something with your own name on it. You can't let it make you bitter or stingy though. Give what you have gladly. Creating is risky business! You have a great attitude about it all. :)
Wow! I’m so sorry your work has been stolen that way 😔. As artists and creative people, we just have to let go sometimes, accept that it will happen. It still feels awful, of course.
I agree! And yes, it definitely does feel awful@@betsi_jae!
I guess you helped me understand stealing. In my mind, I steal from you all the time. For example, this video you're doing leaves. If I were to tag you you'll be deeply confused because what comes out from the thought of drawing leaves is nowhere near what comes. Basically, it's motivation and inspiration to get started, but frankly, it isn't stealing at all.
So thank you for your inspiration.
Exactly! I think I actually made this video to let everyone know that I don’t think they’re stealing from me 😊
so sorry that you had to go through that.. my son is an digital artist and gets commissions and that is how he makes his living. some body stole his images and even went so far to put his own name on the images and tried to pass them off as his own art. however.. my sons work is quite recognized and people started messaging him to tell him what this person had done. what a mess trying to get that all straightened out legally. it made him so upset.. and of course it would. I enjoy your videos so much.. you have been such an inspiration and are the reason i have delved into doing zentangling. i have learned so much in the last week.. you make it look so simple. i did indeed do one of your tutorials... and shared my result on my facebook page. it was different than yours, because i dont follow instructions well.. lol.. , and i told everyone that it was inspired by a video tutorial on youtube, however did not name you . ( im old and had forgotten your name to be honest as you were just one of many zentangle videos i had watched before settling on one to learn from ) i will go back and change that though, to make sure that my friends know who to look for on youtube. you do awesome work and i am so glad there are people like you that are there to help people who are new to this kind of art to find their focus. Only a couple of weeks since i discovered this zentangling and i am currently participating in the Inktober 2023 and loving it... that is because of you. thank you. :)
😊 thank you so much. I really appreciate the effort you put into sharing my work with others through your work. I know it can be a hassle and in truth may not be entirely necessary, but it's so important for others to see that there are standards in our artistic communities. I also do my best to share the inspiration behind my work, mostly because I just want others to be inspired like I was.
i also forgot to mention that i do not sell my artwork, but keep it in a file along with my colored pencil, pastel and watercolor projects. i used to do a lot of pet portraits back in the day, and made some nice pocket change, but took a 35 year hiatus from drawing while i raised kids and worked full time. now that i have retired, i find i have more time to find that creative side of myself again. i have branched into a bunch of interests to find one that really grabs me..sadly the talent that used to flow so easily for me has got rusty ( like my joints and eyesight have..lol. ) so it takes a bit more practice to relearn what i used to know without trying. 3 dimensional is a real challenge for me now. and i want to learn the weaving and knots patterns so i can do celtic crosses and so on. you have a wonderful day. :) @@betsi_jae
You have to pay for the copy write in order enforce the copywriting law on your art or designs although it sucks when you see your stuff someone has used it elsewhere for their gain. I love your work and try it but I could never do the same perfect drawing as you have done ❤ you are very inspiring
😊 i absolutely agree. This is a matter of personal integrity!
I agree. Setting aside the legal implications, it comes down to having a better-tuned moral compass, and unfortunately some folks simply don’t have one. 😔
Thank you for all you do much love ❤❤❤ if I ever create from your creations and share I will add your link for sure your a sweetheart … I’m here to get inspired to start creating again 🤗🤗🤗
There is so much of that going on over at Insta. I've seen so many artists that have had their stuff stolen. It's horrible
true 😔 true
The highest form of recognition is to be copied.
I completely agree ☺️
Love your creations, I have been doodling on my paint pours trying to get similar creations like yours. I wish I could show a photo here. One day I might do a video and share with my viewers but I promise to put a link to your channel if I decide to create on video. Your amazing to learn from thanks so much for sharing❣️❣️👍😁🇨🇦👩🎨
Thank you so much! I appreciate that. I would love to see the results for sure😊
I'm rediscovering some long-buried artistic talent. I also just discovered your channel and am so inspired to follow your tutorials. (So beautiful, "organic", natural!) In the near future I may have the opportunity to display artwork that incorporates your "techniques" at my church or other local venues (but never online). If so, I would want to give you credit in some way, if that is appropriate, possibly in a little backstory note about my inspiration or creative process. Any suggestions that apply to real artwork on walls? The answer may be simple, but I'm new to this! Thanks.
I'm so glad that you are rediscovering your artistic side ! I really appreciate that you would include me in your artist backstory, but mostly I'm truly honored to be a small influence to your art journey. I wholeheartedly wish you the best 💕
@Miss Betsi Something that's morally wrong can be just as bad as stealing. The people who copy your art down to the circle (you draw circles 😊) may not be getting financial gain but they are still getting visual gains. People are thinking that picture belongs to the thieves advertising it which could hurt you down the line. What if people are looking at the thieves as the originator and come after you as the thief? Don't apologize for feeling however you feel. I can appreciate you giving thought to what's going on despite your feelings about it. Emotions aren't logical so it's good to go over things logically. Just as there's a thin line between love and hate, there is a thin line between admiration and thievery. Thank you for sharing. You've given me food for thought about something that wasn't on my mind to think about. Stay Awesome. Stay Blessed. ❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥
Thank you for your insight 💙🙂💙. I suppose you’re right about how someone’s indirect stealing can still affect me in the long term. I struggle so much with the emotions I feel when I find out someone has taken my work, that it makes it difficult to make logical decisions. It’s certainly a work in progress.
I'm inspired by this. Beautiful!
Awesome! Thank you!
❤️❤️❤️Your tutorials are better than therapy for me❤️❤️❤️❤️Thank you!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for this information. I sometimes look through the Zentangle site for inspiration, and it worries me when I see the note about copywriting. I use the offered designs to make drawings and want to eventually make a coloring book. I like the thin leaves and if I use that design as a part of one of my drawings it is not steeling.
This happens all the time. My daughter had her documentary footage stolen on youtube and tiktok and the robbers made money out of it.
Oh no. I can't believe people do that 😞
This is so wrong ! As a fellow artist I feel for you and support you, keep standing up for yourself and reporting these scammers.
On the pictures I drew from watching your videos, I put from Miss Betsi at the top. Or whoever’s page I got it from, I am trying to learn but also believe in giving credit to the original artist.
Well said.❤
I think the problem is that if someone saves your video on TH-cam it can save it as public in the account that saves it. I didn’t even know I had a channel until I found out that I had 13 followers! I think that TH-cam shares stuff that folks have saved for their own use not knowing that it was saved as public in their account. I know their are people that do steal content but some times they don’t know their saved videos are being posted by the TH-cam algorithm. Just a thought.
True. Sometimes we don't notice how we post content. At least these days I'm more careful. And you're right: everyone who uses TH-cam automatically gets a "channel".
I'm learning so much from you. How to draw leaf how to draw petal and I'm inventing some new art though not as good looking as yours but your art is really helping me improve my art. And I got afraid looking at the title. I was like oh no I did something wrong. But it was completely different topic. How could they just like that steal other work.
I’m so sorry I scared you 😅. I tried to set a nice tone from the very beginning, to let you know I wasn’t accusing anyone. I’m glad you are practicing and creating your own artwork. Thank you for letting me provide some of the inspiration 💜💙💜
I do copy artwork I admire….but I make sure I’ve changed it….and add original work by….or inspired by the work of….to anything I give as a gift. NEVER sell as mine someone’s work. It is theft and in this new AI world it happens all to often. Big name artists have had their work turn up in books they don’t know about. Thank you for sharing your talent and concerns. 20:15
thank you for talking about this touchy subject, I think even more prevalent ini the zentangle world. I'm sure you're aware of the huge battles regarding AI. Will be interesting to see where this takes us. Thank you for sharing your incredible talent.
Absolutely! I’ve kept up with the news regarding AI. Things are changing so quickly, but artists are fighting for their rights. I’m hopeful.
I sale cards, I use stamps, I don’t copy what I see with the stamps or reproduce someone card. I make it my own and put my touch on it I can’t even make the same card twice and I have a lot of cards. When doing pattern drawings even if you copy someone’s drawing it can maybe look like it but it will never be it because it’s done with a different hand. So I do see we’re your coming from and understand also to make something your own from something you see has to be changed 80% and that makes it yours. So if your going to change something just do it 100% and then it’s inspired by you and a credit to you would be nice.
Yes exactly! 💙 Mix things up and make something uniquely yours. Admittedly though, some beginners out there might not have the confidence yet to make original work and it helps them to copy before they try new things.
I always follow along with you, but mine never looks as good as yours 😂 I don’t put mine on social media yet, but when I do I will be more than happy to tag you ❤ I’m a painter and I always tag other painters when ppl put their work up- it is only fair I think.
That’s excellent. And it’s very nice of you to tag the painters that inspire your work 💜
I love your work. When I look at it I feel so uncoordinated😄, but I will get there. You're very encouraging.
😊 thank you. I know I say this to many people - and I mean it every time - be patient with yourself. You’re on a little journey, and only you can dictate where the path takes you. 💜
Thank you for this, it really clarified some of the thoughts I’ve had floating around my head (they do that at lot 😂)
Thinking about it, virtually every artist is inspired by, learns from, or is taught by, another artist. You very often see it being talked about even with the great masters throughout history. And techniques and tools are definitely learned.
My grandmother taught me how to use oil paints. I used her technique for painting eg trees at first, but I never copied her subjects, I was inspired by different ones. I was hugely inspired by Aubrey Beardsley at one time, I used his technique a lot, but never actually copied his subject matter. I still have that inspiration many decades later. I think that’s why I like your art so much, there is something about it that feels similar.
Of course years ago before social media people could get away with outright copying other people much more easily, as long as you weren’t exhibiting in a prestigious gallery you could copy a painting and sell it and no one was any the wiser, I’m sure that went on. Now everyone wants clout on social media and many don’t care whether the clicks and likes are actually for their own effort or just for reposting someone else’s. Which is sad, because they are kidding themselves, and somewhere deep down they know that.
Out and out stealing for profit is a different thing, and that’s always happened, with everything. Many artists, particularly makers of sculptures and art dolls, are having their photos used by Chinese companies who scam people into parting with cash for something they never get, it’s a huge issue and all over the big selling sites.
You are right about people taking inspiration making you happy, it really does. Teaching something to someone and seeing them succeed is the best 😊
Wow! Yes, there are so many problems going on out there in the art world and there always have. It’s unfortunate that people’s gorgeous photos of their own work are being used in overseas marketplaces.
I used to be a crochet teacher, so I started a presence online back in the day so I could share inspiration and patterns with my students. Even then, I would search google images for copies of my patterns and I would find them all over the place. I even found a blog where a woman claimed that she was using her own original pattern 😂. I laughed and moved on. What was there to do?
@@betsi_jae It’s awful, and most artists have just given up trying to fight it. The selling sites do nothing, FB or Amazon etc, I suppose they don’t care as long as they get their cut. Crochet! I learned years ago, made baby clothes and such, a few things for me, haven’t done it for years. Then recently started again, inspired by the many channels with patterns and tutorials. And a new grandchild due in November, and mum liking the idea of some retro lacy jackets 😊 Do you still have any material online with that?
@@Solitude11-11 I did make patterns for baby clothes, but I'm afraid they were mostly those cute Mickey mouse and mermaid photo props for the newborn babies 😊. Once I get het comfortable doing this TH-cam thing, I think I will start a little channel where I share crochet patterns. Might be fun.
I’m sorry people have taken from you, with out permission. I’m not sure how to share the drawing/doodle I just finished, but I’d love for you to see it. I have not drawn or doodled in ove 4 years and I just picked it back up. 4 years ago, I did not feel my work was enough. Tonight, for the first time I finished and was Simple excited about it. Thank you for putting content up and the TH-cam algarythem helping me find your work. I am extremely happy to support your art
Wow! I’m so glad you’re finding joy in the craft. That’s what its all about 😌
OH! I see this happen a LOT with other creators. I know this one Bushcraft creator who is VERY popular and some took all of his videos and posted them at you tube as if it was their own content. NO. That is outright stealing. And yes, some don't really understand that they are stealing. Other know darn well what they are doing, and they are looking to make money from clicks/views, etc. I would NEVER take credit for someone else's design. Whenever I work from a tutorial, I always post it saying that I used a tutorial and I name them.
💯 % agree
And everyone should read "Steal like an artist" by Austin Kleon
Isn't that a form of plagiarism? I take screen shots for my own gallery so I can learn from you. Your work is awesome. Wish I knew what pens to use. Went shopping today and had a few in my hands but put them back because I wasn't sure if they were the right ones. Didn't see any with the point that u use. I would love to do a wolf howling at the moon,(for my son)" but don't know what kind of doodle to put around it. I was thinking ribbons for the night sky but don't know what else to do. Any suggestions
As far as pens, if I'm at an office supply store I will get the Sharpie Roller 0.5 . At an art atore, I prefer the Tombow Fudenosuke or at least a small set of felt tip fineliners.
For your wolf drawing I unfortunately wouldn't know what's the right choice. Often when I can't decide on a pattern I just use the simplest one I can imagine.
thank you so much for the wonderful drawing you just did and for the inspirational conversation. Having never tried art of any kind until almost 3 years ago, I didn’t even think I could draw a stick figure. Then I found Zentangle and I am amazed at what I have created over the last three years, but I still am lacking in thinking up my own ideas to draw so to speak. I follow lots of videos and like you say they come out quite different than the original, but I always try to tag the creator because I couldn’t even think of claiming it as my own. Like others have said in the comments I read, if you ever see anything that I have done, and I’ve crossed any lines, please be sure to let me know, because it would be purely unintentional. Even after three years of drawing, I still rarely can just put pen to paper and draw first line and see where it goes. I am learning 😂, But at almost 77 years old, let’s hope I learn soon although my mother did live to be 102, so I may still be around for quite a few years. 🤪❤️
That’s so thoughtful of you Polly, Thanks for your positive review,How are you and how’s the weather over there?
I appreciate that you're keeping these things in mind. In the end, my goal is to encourage everyone to copy responsibly ☺️ and to enjoy the craft.
I am so sorry this happened to you, such a personal violation!
I love your videos and would love to post pics of my work but I'm only on here, not other social media
Thank you for your time and efforts ❤
No worries! Thank you so much for watching the vids. 💕💜💕
Interested to know if you have a printed tutorial. I love your work but have a hard time following along on video. Thanks!
Thank u for ur work cause I love ur teaching and I have now become a doodle nut. I never knew where to begin and now I think about it everyday and want to add more to my page. I only so far have used pencil and my stuff is so unlike yours but I certainly picked up a few key things. I actually think this is the 2nd vid I've watched of yours but have subscribed. I am new and novice but thank u for ur inspiration.
Wonderful! Thank you for subbing 💜. I’m glad you’re having fun drawing.
I think there’s a generational element to any answer to this question. X-ers and Boomers would absolutely call it stealing. The participation trophy generations have a different perspective on sharing. That’s the gentlest way I can think to put it. Not intending in any way to start an argument. I’m just saying that perspectives on morals evolve.
I completely agree. Even morals and ideals can be very fluid. The best we can do is apply current morality to the current lifestyle. The Internet has changed many things and we do our best to adapt.
You are absolutely right!
I’m glad you think so 💙😊💙
I feel it’s wrong. Because there’s so many channels that do stuff like this.I picked yours because I saw a difference in your channel. Things that I would like to learn. Only u should get the credit.And u always answer back to help. How could he help if he didn’t draw it. ❤❤
That’s so true. It’s hard to understand why someone would take content and repost it that way, knowing that they would never be able to engage with the audience afterwards.
@@betsi_jae absolutely 💕
Thank you
And then u can take someone’s. From the first time they saw it. And every time they try. No matter how many times
Miss Betsi you are a very talented artist. I really enjoy drawing along as I watch your videos. Of course, I keep pausing as I can’t keep up at your pace. I oscillate between US and India. Since I can’t carry sketch books along I preserve my work on Pinterest, just so I can access it. How do I tag you?
Wow , Thank you so much 😀. If you just tag me using betsi_jae or Miss Betsi that should be fine. I am going to hop over to make a pinterest right now 💙. I've been meaning to do that for a while. (thank you for the reminder).
Copying painting by students is done for learning from the masterss in europe for many years! I copy paintings myself! Because I appreciate the artists works And I cannot afford their Originals!
Of course! Copying is the oldest form of self-study. 🦋
OK would love to Tag you. Not sure how to do that, but will do. I copy to learn tbh. It would never occur to me to copy someone’s video.
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What would you call this style of art? Its like a mixture of Neurgraphic doodling and Zentangle. Does it have a specific name name?
🤔 In truth, I don’t know if there’s a way to classify this. I sometimes tag it with zendoodles, doodleart, zentangleinspiredart, but more often my favorite tags are meditativeart, arttherapy, and the like.
@@betsi_jae Those make sense 😁 Thanks!
I have a philosophical question for you. What if someone was inspired by your work and made something that looks almost identical to something you did. If they found a way to sell it, would that be considered stealing?
Not at all 😊. Truthfully there would really be no way of knowing if they arrived at the design on their own or by "copying" my work. All I know is that I spend hours and hours and hours on my work, so if someone plagiarized it, I would definitely know. By looking at the details and the quality of the strokes I can tell if it's my work or not. No one else would know, but I would know. I see lots of people using my tutorials on Instagram. Some even go on to sell some of their drawings. It actually doesn't bother me. It may look somewhat like my work, but not identical. My actual completed work looks even more refined that the doodles and drawings I make tutorials for, so in the end I'm not worried about it. Feel free to make some cool drawings and list them up on your etsy💕. I would just appreciate it if you don't just copy my drawings line by line, and sell only the works that are your own original compositions. 👍
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No fear. I had no plans on ripping you off. If anything I’d offer you a cut.
Miss Betsi better more accurate legal (and art world) terms to use are "Plagiarism" and "Copyright Infringement" not just stealing. Plagiarism and copyright infringement are defined very specifically in the US federal laws/acts: Copyright law, Visual Artist' Rights Act of 1990 and Intellectual Property Rights law. Someone doesn't have to intend to profit from plagiarizing another artists' work for it to be plagiarism and/or infringement...
The #1 protection for all visual artists is to sign your finished work (including sketches/drafts) and put the copyright symbol after your name or initials. That informs anyone seeing your work that you not only signed it, also that you know your legal rights and are putting folks on notice that it's copyright protected.
No, you do not have to register your work with the US Copyright office for the copyright of your work to be official or 100% protected/legal.
Visual works of art no matter the size should always be signed on the front of the work. Not just the back no matter what a collector, curator, art agent or gallery owner says. Sign the front of your work! Even if you hide the signature in the work. And always add the copyright symbol even if you don't add the date (month/year). You can add the date on the back of the work...
Visual art includes sculpture, paintings, drawings, prints, photography, collage, installations... Just sayin...
Of course! The matter of copyrights is a whole different beast. It's always a good idea to be aware of how all of that works and to stay informed of our rights. Unfortunately, despite anything we may do to protect ourselves against blatant infringement, it's often the case that without the money to pay a lawyer then we just aren't able to protect ourselves. I steered away from discussing those issues mostly because when it comes to copyright, every person's situation will differ. I'm not a legal advisor and I don't want to give people advice that may not apply to them 💚. I was mostly focusing on the ethical implications of regular folks like us copying from each other. 😊
@betsi_jae Actually you don't need an attorney in most cases of "theft", copyright infringement and plagiarism... A simple cease and disest letter from the artist will usually do it. Whike you may not have wanted to get into the weeds, your viewers reading the comments will benefit from the info.
I've been doing this professionally as an artist, instructor, curator... for 40 years, and it still amazes me how much artists refuse to research and apply this important business side of their creative craft/profession.
Also, it's copyright ©️ law that protects us first. Ignoring it makes situations like yours common place and annoying.
There are tons of FREE legal services with real/liscensed attorneys who specialize in "art" and copyright law for artists out there. For instance, TALA, Texas Accountants and Lawyers for the Arts is one. They offer regular free online and in person talks. They have free or very discounted fees based on income. Many large cities have organizations, free law clinics and services like this. So, if anything ever gets serious, we have affordable legal resources.
Oftentimes, some lawyers will represent artists pro-bono, especially if only a letter needs to be written.
I and other artists have traded artwork for legal services. 😉
Mentioning copyright infringement, Artists Rights Act and Intellectual Property phrases is NOT giving legal advice. It's passing on general real information most artists are totally unaware of.
As I said in my first comment, the term "theft" isn't always that straightforward, accurate or sufficient.
Now watch one of those idiots copy-pasta from this video saying it's their own. If you're worried about them enough, you need to either put a big signature on something or watermark it. At least that makes it a bit more clear as to where it came from.
I completely agree. I've unfortunately been ignoring the watermark thing on these videos, but on my Instagram content I always always include my name etc. I really wish I didn't have to do that, but it's part of the game.
Good reason to stop using instagram. (I’ve never used it.) I only watch youtube for art tutorial content, political news information and comedic entertainment. I do not have my own channel. The rest of my ‘freetime’ is for creating my own art which I do not share on social media. I have no need to. People who scam artists out of creative content is very easy for them to do if you show the whole finished piece on your channel. I believe Annie Reiser, a professional botanical illustrator has a copyright statement at the beginning of her zentangling videos. Others who are Certified Zentangle Teachers also include this copyright statement. You might consider adding a statement like that.😊🙏
You make a lot of excellent points. I have certainly considered adding a disclaimer but I feel like a disclaimer will put people off 🤔. I will continue to consider my options, and I will likely reach out to more experienced artists to find out more about how to protect myself and the work I do. Thank you for sharing your thoughts 💜💙💜
Ok 10 hrs later I got it lol
For art when does copying become stealing is a subject that is not easy to define. There is a video here on TH-cam called How To Steal From An Artist Roy Lichtenstein on a channel called The Canvas which discusses this subject. I found it interesting but I do not agree with everything he says.
That’s so interesting 🧐. I’ll check it out.
I always and would always ask to recreate your pictures. And I also am sorry people have thieved your drawings. I don't have Instagram. But I would like to know if I could recreate this image or pattern you are creating now in this video. I'm not sure if I will post it but if I do I will tag you.
Go ahead ☺️. Thank you for asking and I would love to see what you create💙
Artist needs to be original,
Copy, or inspiration from someone else's work. I am inspired by others and have been known to re-do what I see in my own style.
Bob Dylan and Santana are classic examples of plagiarists. Thieves. They are not copyists.
Exactly! It’s cool to copy, to be inspired 🦋. Some people out there just don’t bother and they take what was created by others.
I am sorry that hapened to you.
If I draw a picture the Idea turns out to look very different I can not copy it is a helpful Inspiration.
Your doodle looks very nice.
I don't think rhat I can copy a picture of van Gogh .or any body Else yes you say it right it is a idea that you like .
I am a beginner I have not painted a doodle.
I have a girlfriend if she draws a good picture and I like it I always ask her if can use her picture and give it a try drawing it.
Very many greetings from Christiane Berlin Germany 😊
Awesome!
Greetings from Sunny California 🌅
Dear Betsy, I have just heard a very intressting and informative Podcast of Monet.
When He started to study art He had to go into the museum and copy the pictures that hung there actually all students were busy copying.
( but He hated it because he wanted to paint his own style ). The reason why I am writing this is how did the pictures of All the copy painters look.
So you see it is not new that artists copyed other artists.
I hope I helfen a little but they did not have Instagram. Wait a little while when KI is going to start copying us.
Have a nice weekend many greetings Christiane from Berlin Germany in the overheated City ;-)😉
Do a class with one of your designs. Step by step. Slowly.
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Umm, they knew and that was ballie of them and it is a scams, sorry that happen to you.
Yeah, I from the outside looking in, that guy should have known better, but I don’t want to fill my heart with resentment 😔. So I try to give someone the benefit of the doubt, and I learn to let go.
Is this style called 'ZenTangle ?