Russia has a whole state-sponsored doping program. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if all Russian skaters doped at some point in their careers. Kamila just got caught this time - if she didn't then who knows how long they will continue doing this.
Exactly what I was thinking. More than likely the others just haven’t been caught. And if that’s true, just think of all the competitions they shouldn’t have win or medaled in that should have went to another deserving athlete.
I'm honestly lost for words! Imagine giving this medicine to a teenager, who's starving herself, overtraining while practicing a technique that many see as extremely damaging and in most if not all cases resulted in premature retirement... Is it worth it?
@@EricStinehartI have been seeing a lot of people saying Eteri camp's (excessive pre-rotation?) technique for jumps is damaging to the body and longevity. I wonder if you can explain this from the perspective of a former competitive skater?
To be honest, I’m not really sure because I never learned to pre rotate myself (didn’t even know what that was until couple years ago), pretty much no one I knew including those at the top of the sport had really being doing it or learning jumps that way?, and it hasn’t seemed to be a really widespread issue at the top until recently with the Eteri camp. My hypothesis is that it could be marginally more dangerous due to the extended amount of time the toe pick foot stays in the ice (kind of thinking back to Daria’s fall)…but honestly these triple and quad jumps are already so dangerous that I’m not sure if that’s so much of a factor. At the end of the day I do think that is it generally probably an inferior technique, and one that may be easier to complete a hard jump with but one that actually takes a lot of effort on the body as many non ideal techniques do (because it may be a bit less “natural”, might make you force your body harder to complete it etc.) - which can put strain and reduce longevity.
Kamila Valieva should not be allowed to compete. This situation has come up before. In each case that an athlete tested positive the athlete was disqualified. Andrea Raducan the Romanian gymnast was stripped of her gold medal when her tests came back positive. However, Yuliya Efimova the swimmer tested positive and was allowed to compete even after failed drug tests. That could happen here too with negotiations.
I feel the need to just put in my 2 cents. I agree with everything you say here. Valieva should not be allowed to compete. I agree completely about the b test too. However I believe that the Tutberidze’s coaching style and her choice of trainers and training techniques for her whole team should also be held responsible for the intentional use of administering a banned substance. Her program has also been called out for using drugs to delay puberty. If you reach puberty in this level of figure skating, the changes in your body seriously impact your center of balance leading axis problems etc. I’m not saying that she in particular should be banned from coaching, but that the entire coaching team should bear some of this responsibility publicly and in a way that does not reprimand these young champions alone. OOPS this was intended as a reply to the original poster, but I do stand by my comment.
Agreed. So much abuse in figure skating has been allowed to go on for too long. From allowing abusive coaching practices to burying stories of sexual harrassment and assault.....I honestly don't know if the sport can change because the corruption is so deep and has been unaddressed for so long.
That would mean that, If she is banned it is the end of her career, am I right? Frankly speaking, that is extremely sad. If she is allowed to compete this is unfair towards the rest of the skaters. These Olympics are ruined for me!
It seems unlikely she’d be banned for life? She could have a suspension for a few months or years; I’m not sure what exactly is usually done in these cases. Although if it’s a longer period of time, it could effectively mean the end in this kind of training camp / environment… :(
@@EricStinehart so we won't see here again at Olympics, As I understand 19 years is usually the end of woman skater,s career. This is so bad. I hope she would be all right.
The skaters from this rink generally stop skating at competitions at 17 and 18. After that, it's only shows. (Lipininskaya, Medvedeva, Zagitova) By this time next year she may be training and competing but she may not be at the top. The top 2 juniors turning seniors will most likely be on top.
@@aleksandr-belousov_1 19 is NOT usually the end of a woman skater's career - it is only so with a particular school of skaters, and only became a disturbing trend in recent years.
If they let Kamila compete the other athletes who get caught up doping can just say: "But you let Kamila compete why I can't?" Not her fault, she's barely a teenager, but not fair to the other athletes.
And what do you think about the fact that the results came much later than they should have been. Moreover, the same laboratory took other tests from Valieva before the European Championships, and then they were already negative. It is worth noting that these tests were taken later, but came earlier
Как он относится? Да они все счастливы. Если бы результаты пришли раньше Россия могла отправить фигуристку занявшую седьмое место на внутреннем чемпионате и всё равно была бы первой. А теперь американцы получат золото благодаря решению принятому в кабинете. Так и было задумано. Большой скандал на олимпиаде и дисквалификация России лет на двадцать. Кстати, эту шведскую лабораторию уже лишали лицензии на год. Зато теперь она работает как часы, обслуживая интересы больших политиков от спорта. Такая задержка и есть большая политика, чтобы они теперь не говорили про коронавирус.
@@mimmi31 more like payback to the country. Of course Kamila didn't deserve it but so did Yuna Kim. She didn't do anything wrong back then but her gold is robbed by Russians.
@@yinghsi1207 Russia has already paid by being banned. Everyone is bullying Camila. She was forced to be in court for seven hours. It is inappropriate to talk about revenge here. Tutberidze should be punished but in corrupt Russia she will only be praised.
Even though she shouldn’t be held personally responsible she shouldn’t be allowed to compete, it’s unfair to competitors and the people who did facilitate the doping still benefit and basically get away with it and successfully manipulated the system and rules. Also this is the 6th Olympics in a row where Russia has made a mockery of the Olympics by having a doping scandal.
@@kerris1782 у вас правильные ощущения. Потому что это пробы взятые в декабре. Срок результатов пробы предоставили с большим опозданием и содержание микро дозе. Пробы на самой олимпиаде у Камилы чистые. Этот препарат внесён в список допинговых только из-за бюрократических проволочек. Любой врач вам скажет, что этот препарат не может влиять на физические показатели человека, т.е. На спортивные результаты. Сам факт того, что положительный тест предоставили сразу после командной победы российской сборной заставляет усомниться в его подлинности. Так или иначе сплетникам и завистникам таланта от бога предоставилась блестящая возможность спекуляций. Поживём увидем как говорят в России 🤗
@@kerris1782 I'll translate it ! "...you have the right feeling. Because these are samples taken in December. The date of the results of the sample was provided with a great delay and the content of the micro dose. Kamila's samples at the Olympics are clean. This drug was included in the doping list only because of bureaucratic issues. Any doctor will tell you that this drug cannot affect the physical parameters of a person, i.e. for sports results. The very fact that a positive test was provided immediately after the team victory of the Russian team casts doubt on its authenticity. One way or another, gossipers and envious people to the talent from God (that Kamila has) had a brilliant opportunity for speculation. Let's wait and see as they say in Russia"
I find it very suspicious that the positive results were released now, during the Beijing Olympic Games, even though the sample was drawn on December 25, 2021. The existence of the Games has been known for years, as have the testing requirements. How an "accredited" lab would take 6 weeks to conduct the necessary testing when a gold medal is on the line is beyond my comprehension. Yes, I know that the Stockholm lab officials informed RUSADA that the lab was short-staffed due to Covid. However, I've seen no hard evidence (internal e-mails, dated text messages, affidavits) to support this explanation. What's more, the lab's director, Anton Pohanka, informed Reuters that he will "not be making any comment on this case."
@@kalidilerious Well, FWIW, US News & World Report stated on Feb-12 that tests DURING the Olympics take 24-72 hours, depending on the type of test. Using their reporting, a forty-five day lag is 15 times longer than the test that takes the longest. Again, one would think the ONLY "accredited" lab in Sweden would normally have the correct procedures in place to test samples from Olympians. That's why this whole situation strikes me as suspicious.
They also had to take the samples to other labs to confirm that it was indeed that drug. That combined with the fact that the sample had to be taken from Russia to Sweden and the Swedish lab being slowed down due to COVID (which is a much bigger worldwide concern that could have cancelled these games altogether) made these results take a while. Also, don’t forget that this time was also the holiday season along with Omicron (a much more contagious strain of COVID) being a big concern at the time.
@@jonathanm.9801 I've heard reports that the Swedish lab was slower due to Covid, but -- as I stated before -- I've seen no hard evidence to prove that such was the case: no internal memos or emails from Dec/Jan, press releases from Dec/Jan, or even an affidavit from the lab director attesting to the fact that Covid slowed their work. I certainly wouldn't simply take a person's word in such a situation: I'd want some sort of corroborative evidence.
People saying that the adults in her entourage are responsible are just plain wrong. These people have no idea how it works. I played sport as a teen at a professional level where drug testing was done. Before I even made a debut I was sat down and given a talk about what to expect if I was called for drug testing and just a general lecture on how it works. I was then given a folder on all the banned substances. It must of been said 10 times over that I was responsible for what goes into my body and that I must abide by the rules or face the consequences. She is a global superstar from a country that has historically made a mockery of doping laws. She should of been hyper aware and beyond reproach. She is responsible for her body and what goes into it. It’s a level playing field for everyone and you don’t get a pass if you’re young and pretty. Ban her.
Perhaps Kamila was in the know about the type of 'vitamins' that were given to her. However, it is also important to think about the environment she was in. Her coach, Eteri, is infamous for her brutal training methods that would be considered as banned in many other countries (don't take my word for it, there have been quite a few other skaters and coaches that have been in her caml and witnessed the training regimens going on). Kamila, while competing in the adult division is only 15, a minor. Also considering the cut throat environment that Russian ladies fs is, atheletes have 2 options: take the drugs to be the same level as your other drug taking peers, or forget competing at all. How was Kamila a minor, supposed to go against her coaches, her federation and doctors and refuse to take whatever PEDs they wanted her to (who were supposed to be in charge of her wellbeing)? The fact that you even had that talk about drug usage in the first place indicates that there was at least some degree of upholding fair sport practices in your training environment. While other athletes in the competition suffered injustice for Kamila's doping, so did she for being coerced into taking them (ruining her future career and nullifying prior achievements) and having to face them alone (her coaches which were likely responsible for her doping in tbe first place have been relatively quiet thus far). Kamila's entourage are exactly the people to blame in this case for abusing her and the fs systems, as well as all the other adults in her life for even allowing this to happen (seriously, where are her parents?). Kamila is a victim too in this situation, and is not responsible for the horrible practices and toxic training environment she is in. Her coaches are.
Just reported that she WILL be able to compete, mainly because of her age and her being a protected person. This is Pathetic, so what is the benefit for the competitors and coaches who follow the rules and are clean from performing enhancing substances and didn’t have the extra stamina that the substances provide to do maximize training. I know a 15 year old isn’t responsible for what her coaches did here, but the coaches benefit from her competing and possibly winning gold and now the message has been sent that this will be tolerated. This is the 6th Olympics in a row that Russia has made a mockery of with doping scandals.
She should be allowed to compete. The tests done prior/after december are clean. Thus she had no intention to cheat. Most likely, she is the victim of an incompetent doctor, who gave her a wrong medicine when she felt ill. That person should be punished, not the child who believed in the one who had to take care of her.
Even it was completely unintentional, and I completely agree she is the victim here - if it in any way gave her an advantage, then it doesn’t seem right for her to compete. What if a weightlifter felt ill and a doctor “accidentally” gave him steroids and then he won everything, having no idea he was taking steroids? That is an extreme example, very unfortunate, but unfair nonetheless.
The doctor for Eteri's team is Dr. Filip Shvetsky. The World Rowing Federation confirmed that Shvetsky was once team doctor for the Russian rowing team. He was banned by Russia in 2007 over doping violations, according to Jim Walden, a lawyer for Russian doping whistleblower Grigory Rodchenkov, who is under witness protection in the United States World Rowing says three members of the Russian Rowing Federation were declared ineligible for two years because of violations of the World Anti-Doping Code. He was reinstated by Russia in 2010. “But this guy (Shvetsky) who’s got a history with performance enhancing drugs suddenly shows up as the doctor for this 15-year-old skater… and allegedly, she tests positive for a performance enhancing drug,” said Walden.
And for those calling Eteri Tutberidze responsible. I wonder if you know the details re her daughter's medical issues. Diana was healthy until at the age of two she practically lost her hearing ability. That happened because of the medical error - doctors prescribed her wrong antibiotics. From that moment her mother dedicated her life to treat Diana's disability. Now think- would a woman who got through so much with her own child because of wrong meds intentionally endanger other child's health and,not to mention, career, by giving her some useless substance?...
Such a person could endanger others if she were concentrating on her own gain ( and not concentrating on the potential damage). Unfortunately, she could feel that there aren’t any known long term sequelae and therefore for short term gain, it’s worth the risk.
Have you not seen Eteri’s history with her students? Even without all the speculation of hormone blockers, drugs, smelling salts, etc., Eteri is known for her neglect. From different interviews, documentaries, and competitions, we constantly hear about Eteri promoting eating less and staying skinny. Her students weigh themselves daily (RT documentary of Alina Zagitova and Evgenia Medvedeva). A past student have said that Eteri has straight up taken food from her. This causes or fuels eating disorders amongst her students. Yulia Lipnitskaya talked about her battle with anorexia and Eteri’s hand in it. Anna Scherbakova said was fine with just eating “two shrimp instead of three” for dinner after practice. The malnourishment culture at Eteri’s paired with Eteri making her students work to the bone and drill jumps with bad technique to get “quads” is a recipe for disaster for these girls. They usually “break” by the age of 17 somehow whether that be through injuries or straight up quitting.
if she is allowed to compete, I will be sorry for the upcoming girls in the sport, particularly those from communist countries. Who knows how much drugs they will be forced to take.
I wonder if her parents had no idea that Eteri was giving their kid prescription heart meds? If the parents had no idea, could they sue the people responsible?
I agree, she shouldn't compete. I also think that doping is a doping principle should be held for all sportsmen even in therapeutic purpose, I'm sorry. Because it gives advantage regardless to reasoning behind and opens the door to manipulations. And the whole antydoping system reflects its inability to react properly ,ontime ,with guarantied anonymousity to underage sportsman
Not allowing prohibited medication that is used for legitimate medical reasons could be tricky. If someone had a heart condition that required this medication, without it they could be at 60% of a healthy person potential. The medication could close that gap. Not just for training and competing, but for leading a normal life.
I agree that Kamila Valieva should not be allowed to compete in the individual event and the team 1st for Russia should be revoked. Kamila should not have been allowed to compete at the Olympics at all. At the same time, Eteri Tuberidze is the one that truly needs to be held accountable and her camp needs to be shut down. if she and the adults who work at Sambo 70 are in any way microdosing Kamila, then who knows what else they could have been doing to the other skaters without their knowledge and not yet uncovered.
It is sad but I think you are right she should be banned from competition. It is sad for figure skating in general a lot of credibility lost. I honestly thought she might be able to be the next face of skating when Yuzu is leaving but that will not happen again. Unfair or not her career is stained she will not be able to come back from this.
Yuzu impressed us not only with artistry, but quality and longevity. 3 Olympics! It’s very unlikely she would be able to do that. Except maybe if they raise the age limit and she doesn’t have to compete with the 14-year olds. Because by the time they are 16-17, their trajectory is 👎
Very strange why it took so long since testing. Regardless, it is for sure she was doped. Russia is well known for doping for years. She used to fall a lot, now she can jump or spinning crazy thanks to drug enhancemt.
lots of countries are well known for doping for years. it shouldn't be a question of who did it more times. Before the Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro, numerous top American athletes apparently wanted to obtain medical exemptions for drugs that are on the doping list. This emerges from an e-mail exchange between several employees of the American anti-doping agency Usada. Does this make it more right?
@@liagallyamova1997 then why take it? She isn’t a junkie who wants to ingest any prescription medication just for the heck of it. It’s appalling trying to justify a prohibited drug with the argument that it doesn’t have any proven benefits for a athlete. It just shows lack of good judgment.
@@maple8859 I mean, I'm not trying to justify her. But its weird, what was the point of doing it? Why she well risk for this type of medicine? No hate, I'm just dont get it.
BTW, Can you please tell me the music track that Kamila chose in her last performance (where she was wearing a red dress)? I really like that song, it is replaying in my head since I first heard it! 😊
Bolero, it’s so overdone in figure skating, I wish they would’ve chose something to better show off her abilities, well I did feel that way. Now I just wish they would’ve done so much better by her and her talent by competing clean.
She should be allowed to compete because that drug she takes is for heart problems and it shouldn’t be Illegal she has had heart problems at a young age.
Athletes normally have to choose alternative medications to treat health conditions. One athlete with graves disease had to do so to avoid a specific drug that would have cost her 2 to 4 years of competitions.
I think everything is not yet clear. Maybe she had heart condition that requires her to take TMZ. If not then she should be banned at this Olympic Season because it would be unfair to others. Chances are she could go for world championship next month. . If if they allow her to compete the ladies figure skating would loose their face and make the laughingstock out of it. to be fair to her she needed to get the test if its has passed and free of TMZ then all suspicion would eliminate.
Can't agree with you. Her tests before and after that test were clean. TMZ is widely used in Russia by elder people. It has no performance enhancing effect. And it is used twice on daily basis which means it has no long lasting effect on health. Her tests in Beijing are clean, too. Similar case happened to another olympic medalist (can't recall her name), she was stripped off her medals, however she proved that she was unaware of the illegal drug as it was among ingredients of legally permitted supplement. Her medals were recovered. Kamila may have sama situation. Her talent, skills, abilities are not the result of TMZ. She has worked so hard for Olympics. According to international law norms she can attend the Olympics as this situation wasn't revealed during that particular competition. Anyways it will be investigated.
And she only took the supplements before the Nationals? What elite athlete takes all kind of unreliable supplements? Especially when it is known that the supplements could be laced with prohibited substances? As you just mentioned? Athletes at this level will not even drink water that doesn’t come from their own supply. They know everything there is to know about possible sources of unintentional exposure. But why don’t you question the fact that the team’s doctor was suspended a few years ago for his part into doping cases. You know the saying: the wolf may change its coat, but not its habits.
Stop all the quads. Or at least limit a program to only one. And also judge the quads no matter how long it takes and take off points when there is really not a true quad performed. Pre rotating the quad for too long in the ice needs points taken off too.
I feel so sorry and for Kamila. Coaches should be sued for this. I wish she could compete, but unfortunately that would be unfair. Especially when I remember that Carolina Kostner was suspended from competing for TWO YEARS because her boyfriend who was an athlete was doping.
Skeptical about the take on her past achievements. If someone's caught doping, their previous medals no longer hold the same value. It all becomes questionable. So yes she shouldn't be allowed to compete. But also her medals and world records for this season should be removed.
It seems profoundly unfair to impose a ban on this young athlete before an investigation and solid proof that Valieva used the banned drug. The better procedure would be to allow her to skate provisionally, and, if use of the banned drug is proven, nullify her results later. There are many questions about this particular sample: the very small amount of the banned substance, the long period between the taking of the sample and the release of the results; the negative tests on the days before and after; and the unlikelihood that Valieva decided, on her own, to take this drug. All this is not to mention the fallibility of toxicology testing in general. There's much room for human error in toxicology tests: the drawing of the bodily fluids; the storage of the sample; the labelling of the sample; the transport of the sample; the transfer of the fluid to the testing container; the risk of contamination with other samples during testing. There are many reasonable interpretations of the evidence here, including systematic (and systemic) doping. However, as in criminal trials, given two reasonable interpretations, we must chose the interpretation that points to the innocence of the accused. --- An SF Bay Area Attorney Show less
That's a great point! I was reading about how doping test results are actually only reported after significant re-tests, confirmation with other labs, etc. And so obviously I only think she should't be able to compete *given* that these results are accurate, tested multiple times maybe by different labs, etc. The hope is that the entire investigation will be able to take place before she would be competing; if they are still uncertain, I'm sure they would most likely let her continue to compete provisionally. I believe it will be announced tomorrow. By the way, I currently live in the Bay Area myself :)
Because a positive test of a banned substance would disqualify you from even going to Olympics (according to rules), and practically because it could’ve helped her training and training leads to competition results.
Yaaaaaaaas I totally agree with your statement 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 a curious point is if they raise the age limit, would Eteri still have top level skaters? A lot of her skaters start to get injured and retire at around 17 so that’ll be interesting to see play out. But seriously Kamila shouldn’t compete but her coaches need to seriously be held accountable and banned. And it’s important to have compassion and empathy for her. Also the ending with the dishwasher 😂
Even if it were proved she needed the drug for a heart condition, which it hasn’t been proven, one would think she wouldn’t be on the Russian skating team. I mean I would think they would want their athlete to be healthy and doesn’t seem like this would be a healthy thing to do with all the practices and competitions. 🙄
I wonder if she was given the medication without her knowledge, like slipped in her food/drink. However,, she is 15 years old and if she took it knowingly, she would absolutely responsible. The coaches and the government pressure are at fault.
Seems unlikely! I’d think after a positive test they’d do all sorts of re-tests to confirm the result. Also, seems even more unlikely when you start thinking about Russia’s shaky history with doping (they’re “ROC” in this Olympics for a reason), the fact that TMZ is close/related to meldonium which is a drug that has had a big history in Russian skating, etc.
I agree 100% with you. It is a fact that Kamilla had an advantage because of this drug found in her system. Whether she took it voluntarily or not - it doesnt matter, because its a fact that she had an advantage and that is unfair to other skaters. She could come back next year clean and pass her tests and i dont see how this is a problem to miss 1 olympics. And i think that teenagers should belong in the teen olympics.. and that adults should belong in the adult olympics
Cpuld you tell about Norvigians skiers suffering astma ?Or American girl named Simona who refused to compete without het drugs in Japan?Ehat about Norvigian skiet who admitted the other day that she failed yhe doping test i 2017, but nobody got to know about the fact and she got het medals Do it!Investigate those cases
I have no sympathy for her. Her parents should know everything that's going on with her and should prevent such things. Plus, what about her coaches. Additionally, it is likely Russia works the system in numerous ways.
We still don't know what are the arguments from the athlete's side. Too soon to conclude she took/was given this specific med. However people already shout "doping!!!" at every corner 24/7. Let me tell you a story. In February 2018, the same CAS temporarily suspended bobsledder Nadezhda Sergeeva and annulled her results at the Olympics due to a positive test containing the very same trimetazidine. The sample was taken during the Olympics. And CAS later annulled the athlete's suspension, because the med she took was contaminated with the banned substance. The manufacturer was producing meds for regular people usage and athletes on the same line. The meds for athletes should have been clean of any banned substance, but... Right now the main concern is the CAS panel for the case. The panel for some reason will include a USA high rank figure skating official, which is strange indeed given current situation.
I am happy that she can compete. Any medals that she would win and had won would be under investigation. But at least she would keep her career and will continue to skate. The main thing is that she can skate, otherwise her life could be broken. My whole concern is about her and not about gold medals. Let the girl be! Please!
While it is certain that the decision belongs to others, there is no reason why one cannot have an opinion. I am grateful for Eric’s opinion because he is a former figure skater.
The adults responsible should be banned from the sport.
they JUST ruled that she's allowed to skate. its so unfair to the other skaters.
Big kudos to Eric and Polina. I was just wondering,,, is it just Kamila? How’s about Alexandra, Anna?
Russia has a whole state-sponsored doping program. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if all Russian skaters doped at some point in their careers. Kamila just got caught this time - if she didn't then who knows how long they will continue doing this.
Exactly what I was thinking. More than likely the others just haven’t been caught. And if that’s true, just think of all the competitions they shouldn’t have win or medaled in that should have went to another deserving athlete.
I'm honestly lost for words! Imagine giving this medicine to a teenager, who's starving herself, overtraining while practicing a technique that many see as extremely damaging and in most if not all cases resulted in premature retirement... Is it worth it?
No! Risking a child's health and the integrity of sport - I can't believe that it is, or at least it shouldn't be.
@@EricStinehartI have been seeing a lot of people saying Eteri camp's (excessive pre-rotation?) technique for jumps is damaging to the body and longevity. I wonder if you can explain this from the perspective of a former competitive skater?
To be honest, I’m not really sure because I never learned to pre rotate myself (didn’t even know what that was until couple years ago), pretty much no one I knew including those at the top of the sport had really being doing it or learning jumps that way?, and it hasn’t seemed to be a really widespread issue at the top until recently with the Eteri camp.
My hypothesis is that it could be marginally more dangerous due to the extended amount of time the toe pick foot stays in the ice (kind of thinking back to Daria’s fall)…but honestly these triple and quad jumps are already so dangerous that I’m not sure if that’s so much of a factor. At the end of the day I do think that is it generally probably an inferior technique, and one that may be easier to complete a hard jump with but one that actually takes a lot of effort on the body as many non ideal techniques do (because it may be a bit less “natural”, might make you force your body harder to complete it etc.) - which can put strain and reduce longevity.
but what is strange, this medicine does not affect the physical quality at all 🤔
@@liagallyamova1997 exactly
Kamila Valieva should not be allowed to compete. This situation has come up before. In each case that an athlete tested positive the athlete was disqualified. Andrea Raducan the Romanian gymnast was stripped of her gold medal when her tests came back positive. However, Yuliya Efimova the swimmer tested positive and was allowed to compete even after failed drug tests. That could happen here too with negotiations.
I feel the need to just put in my 2 cents. I agree with everything you say here. Valieva should not be allowed to compete. I agree completely about the b test too. However I believe that the Tutberidze’s coaching style and her choice of trainers and training techniques for her whole team should also be held responsible for the intentional use of administering a banned substance. Her program has also been called out for using drugs to delay puberty. If you reach puberty in this level of figure skating, the changes in your body seriously impact your center of balance leading axis problems etc. I’m not saying that she in particular should be banned from coaching, but that the entire coaching team should bear some of this responsibility publicly and in a way that does not reprimand these young champions alone. OOPS this was intended as a reply to the original poster, but I do stand by my comment.
Agreed. So much abuse in figure skating has been allowed to go on for too long. From allowing abusive coaching practices to burying stories of sexual harrassment and assault.....I honestly don't know if the sport can change because the corruption is so deep and has been unaddressed for so long.
I really hope it can, for the sake of all current and future generations of skaters and fans who just love this sport.
That would mean that, If she is banned it is the end of her career, am I right? Frankly speaking, that is extremely sad. If she is allowed to compete this is unfair towards the rest of the skaters. These Olympics are ruined for me!
It seems unlikely she’d be banned for life? She could have a suspension for a few months or years; I’m not sure what exactly is usually done in these cases. Although if it’s a longer period of time, it could effectively mean the end in this kind of training camp / environment… :(
@@EricStinehart so we won't see here again at Olympics, As I understand 19 years is usually the end of woman skater,s career. This is so bad. I hope she would be all right.
The skaters from this rink generally stop skating at competitions at 17 and 18. After that, it's only shows. (Lipininskaya, Medvedeva, Zagitova) By this time next year she may be training and competing but she may not be at the top. The top 2 juniors turning seniors will most likely be on top.
@@aleksandr-belousov_1 19 is NOT usually the end of a woman skater's career - it is only so with a particular school of skaters, and only became a disturbing trend in recent years.
@@edukid1984 I fear she would not be able to compete again, I checked that this drug is very dangerous for the heart in the long term.
Why does the ruling take so long? IOC should ban her immediately. It is , in China, nearly noon, Monday
If they let Kamila compete the other athletes who get caught up doping can just say: "But you let Kamila compete why I can't?" Not her fault, she's barely a teenager, but not fair to the other athletes.
And what do you think about the fact that the results came much later than they should have been. Moreover, the same laboratory took other tests from Valieva before the European Championships, and then they were already negative. It is worth noting that these tests were taken later, but came earlier
Как он относится? Да они все счастливы. Если бы результаты пришли раньше Россия могла отправить фигуристку занявшую седьмое место на внутреннем чемпионате и всё равно была бы первой. А теперь американцы получат золото благодаря решению принятому в кабинете. Так и было задумано. Большой скандал на олимпиаде и дисквалификация России лет на двадцать. Кстати, эту шведскую лабораторию уже лишали лицензии на год. Зато теперь она работает как часы, обслуживая интересы больших политиков от спорта. Такая задержка и есть большая политика, чтобы они теперь не говорили про коронавирус.
@@Поехали333 it's like retribution? Russia did dirty to Yuna Kim in Sochi then now there are people who do the same to Russia.
@@yinghsi1207 sorry but how does it concern Kamila? She was 6 years old then. Pay back to a child?????
@@mimmi31 more like payback to the country. Of course Kamila didn't deserve it but so did Yuna Kim. She didn't do anything wrong back then but her gold is robbed by Russians.
@@yinghsi1207 Russia has already paid by being banned. Everyone is bullying Camila. She was forced to be in court for seven hours. It is inappropriate to talk about revenge here. Tutberidze should be punished but in corrupt Russia she will only be praised.
Even though she shouldn’t be held personally responsible she shouldn’t be allowed to compete, it’s unfair to competitors and the people who did facilitate the doping still benefit and basically get away with it and successfully manipulated the system and rules. Also this is the 6th Olympics in a row where Russia has made a mockery of the Olympics by having a doping scandal.
Somehow I have a feeling unfortunately she will be allowed to compete, I hope I’m wrong.
@@kerris1782 у вас правильные ощущения. Потому что это пробы взятые в декабре. Срок результатов пробы предоставили с большим опозданием и содержание микро дозе. Пробы на самой олимпиаде у Камилы чистые. Этот препарат внесён в список допинговых только из-за бюрократических проволочек. Любой врач вам скажет, что этот препарат не может влиять на физические показатели человека, т.е. На спортивные результаты. Сам факт того, что положительный тест предоставили сразу после командной победы российской сборной заставляет усомниться в его подлинности. Так или иначе сплетникам и завистникам таланта от бога предоставилась блестящая возможность спекуляций. Поживём увидем как говорят в России 🤗
@@имяфамилия-ш6д3ю I don’t know Russian, I’m sorry I can’t read your reply!
@@kerris1782 I'll translate it !
"...you have the right feeling. Because these are samples taken in December. The date of the results of the sample was provided with a great delay and the content of the micro dose. Kamila's samples at the Olympics are clean. This drug was included in the doping list only because of bureaucratic issues. Any doctor will tell you that this drug cannot affect the physical parameters of a person, i.e. for sports results. The very fact that a positive test was provided immediately after the team victory of the Russian team casts doubt on its authenticity. One way or another, gossipers and envious people to the talent from God (that Kamila has) had a brilliant opportunity for speculation. Let's wait and see as they say in Russia"
@@kerris1782 а там кнопочка есть не трудно догадаться и Google в помощь
Yeah, have mercy with Valieva but I still believe that the honor of the first quad jump in the Olympics for ladies should go to Trusova.
Agree
Not so she was off an inch.
Holes in the ice, doping scandals, covid - this Olympics are the worst :(
Thanks for a valid opinion! I agree
I find it very suspicious that the positive results were released now, during the Beijing Olympic Games, even though the sample was drawn on December 25, 2021. The existence of the Games has been known for years, as have the testing requirements. How an "accredited" lab would take 6 weeks to conduct the necessary testing when a gold medal is on the line is beyond my comprehension.
Yes, I know that the Stockholm lab officials informed RUSADA that the lab was short-staffed due to Covid. However, I've seen no hard evidence (internal e-mails, dated text messages, affidavits) to support this explanation. What's more, the lab's director, Anton Pohanka, informed Reuters that he will "not be making any comment on this case."
It might be because the advanced drug tests that bypass the blockers that would normally hide substances need more time
@@kalidilerious Well, FWIW, US News & World Report stated on Feb-12 that tests DURING the Olympics take 24-72 hours, depending on the type of test. Using their reporting, a forty-five day lag is 15 times longer than the test that takes the longest. Again, one would think the ONLY "accredited" lab in Sweden would normally have the correct procedures in place to test samples from Olympians. That's why this whole situation strikes me as suspicious.
They also had to take the samples to other labs to confirm that it was indeed that drug. That combined with the fact that the sample had to be taken from Russia to Sweden and the Swedish lab being slowed down due to COVID (which is a much bigger worldwide concern that could have cancelled these games altogether) made these results take a while. Also, don’t forget that this time was also the holiday season along with Omicron (a much more contagious strain of COVID) being a big concern at the time.
@@jonathanm.9801 I've heard reports that the Swedish lab was slower due to Covid, but -- as I stated before -- I've seen no hard evidence to prove that such was the case: no internal memos or emails from Dec/Jan, press releases from Dec/Jan, or even an affidavit from the lab director attesting to the fact that Covid slowed their work. I certainly wouldn't simply take a person's word in such a situation: I'd want some sort of corroborative evidence.
@@LamLawIndy And why would they release the internal documents to the public? It's an ongoing legal case (that will be resolved in a few hours)
Russia has ruined everyone's Olympics - there is a huge dark cloud hanging over Beijing...and I'm not talking about the usual smog.
People saying that the adults in her entourage are responsible are just plain wrong. These people have no idea how it works. I played sport as a teen at a professional level where drug testing was done. Before I even made a debut I was sat down and given a talk about what to expect if I was called for drug testing and just a general lecture on how it works. I was then given a folder on all the banned substances. It must of been said 10 times over that I was responsible for what goes into my body and that I must abide by the rules or face the consequences. She is a global superstar from a country that has historically made a mockery of doping laws. She should of been hyper aware and beyond reproach. She is responsible for her body and what goes into it. It’s a level playing field for everyone and you don’t get a pass if you’re young and pretty. Ban her.
Perhaps Kamila was in the know about the type of 'vitamins' that were given to her. However, it is also important to think about the environment she was in. Her coach, Eteri, is infamous for her brutal training methods that would be considered as banned in many other countries (don't take my word for it, there have been quite a few other skaters and coaches that have been in her caml and witnessed the training regimens going on). Kamila, while competing in the adult division is only 15, a minor. Also considering the cut throat environment that Russian ladies fs is, atheletes have 2 options: take the drugs to be the same level as your other drug taking peers, or forget competing at all. How was Kamila a minor, supposed to go against her coaches, her federation and doctors and refuse to take whatever PEDs they wanted her to (who were supposed to be in charge of her wellbeing)? The fact that you even had that talk about drug usage in the first place indicates that there was at least some degree of upholding fair sport practices in your training environment. While other athletes in the competition suffered injustice for Kamila's doping, so did she for being coerced into taking them (ruining her future career and nullifying prior achievements) and having to face them alone (her coaches which were likely responsible for her doping in tbe first place have been relatively quiet thus far). Kamila's entourage are exactly the people to blame in this case for abusing her and the fs systems, as well as all the other adults in her life for even allowing this to happen (seriously, where are her parents?). Kamila is a victim too in this situation, and is not responsible for the horrible practices and toxic training environment she is in. Her coaches are.
Just reported that she WILL be able to compete, mainly because of her age and her being a protected person. This is Pathetic, so what is the benefit for the competitors and coaches who follow the rules and are clean from performing enhancing substances and didn’t have the extra stamina that the substances provide to do maximize training. I know a 15 year old isn’t responsible for what her coaches did here, but the coaches benefit from her competing and possibly winning gold and now the message has been sent that this will be tolerated. This is the 6th Olympics in a row that Russia has made a mockery of with doping scandals.
Thank you for the video. I wish Etera(i) would come to senses. Keep making more.
She should be allowed to compete. The tests done prior/after december are clean. Thus she had no intention to cheat.
Most likely, she is the victim of an incompetent doctor, who gave her a wrong medicine when she felt ill. That person should be punished, not the child who believed in the one who had to take care of her.
Even it was completely unintentional, and I completely agree she is the victim here - if it in any way gave her an advantage, then it doesn’t seem right for her to compete.
What if a weightlifter felt ill and a doctor “accidentally” gave him steroids and then he won everything, having no idea he was taking steroids? That is an extreme example, very unfortunate, but unfair nonetheless.
Kamila Is a champion
She isn't
Her parents couldn’t provide documentation because it was banned and they could possibly get in trouble for giving her the drug.
The doctor for Eteri's team is Dr. Filip Shvetsky.
The World Rowing Federation confirmed that Shvetsky was once team doctor for the Russian rowing team.
He was banned by Russia in 2007 over doping violations, according to Jim Walden, a lawyer for Russian doping whistleblower Grigory Rodchenkov, who is under witness protection in the United States
World Rowing says three members of the Russian Rowing Federation were declared ineligible for two years because of violations of the World Anti-Doping Code. He was reinstated by Russia in 2010.
“But this guy (Shvetsky) who’s got a history with performance enhancing drugs suddenly shows up as the doctor for this 15-year-old skater… and allegedly, she tests positive for a performance enhancing drug,” said Walden.
And for those calling Eteri Tutberidze responsible. I wonder if you know the details re her daughter's medical issues. Diana was healthy until at the age of two she practically lost her hearing ability. That happened because of the medical error - doctors prescribed her wrong antibiotics. From that moment her mother dedicated her life to treat Diana's disability. Now think- would a woman who got through so much with her own child because of wrong meds intentionally endanger other child's health and,not to mention, career, by giving her some useless substance?...
Such a person could endanger others if she were concentrating on her own gain ( and not concentrating on the potential damage). Unfortunately, she could feel that there aren’t any known long term sequelae and therefore for short term gain, it’s worth the risk.
Have you not seen Eteri’s history with her students? Even without all the speculation of hormone blockers, drugs, smelling salts, etc., Eteri is known for her neglect. From different interviews, documentaries, and competitions, we constantly hear about Eteri promoting eating less and staying skinny. Her students weigh themselves daily (RT documentary of Alina Zagitova and Evgenia Medvedeva). A past student have said that Eteri has straight up taken food from her. This causes or fuels eating disorders amongst her students. Yulia Lipnitskaya talked about her battle with anorexia and Eteri’s hand in it. Anna Scherbakova said was fine with just eating “two shrimp instead of three” for dinner after practice. The malnourishment culture at Eteri’s paired with Eteri making her students work to the bone and drill jumps with bad technique to get “quads” is a recipe for disaster for these girls. They usually “break” by the age of 17 somehow whether that be through injuries or straight up quitting.
And what about girls like serena williams ???????????????????????????????????????
yet she can compete now😐 it's an insult to clean athletes
if she is allowed to compete, I will be sorry for the upcoming girls in the sport, particularly those from communist countries. Who knows how much drugs they will be forced to take.
What communist countries do you refer to? I only know China
@@HelloKitty-kb7ji Russia, in this case, China, North Korea, way back then, pre 90s, East Germany, Poland...
I wonder if her parents had no idea that Eteri was giving their kid prescription heart meds? If the parents had no idea, could they sue the people responsible?
Sue them where? In Russia? Where doping was state-sanctioned? They’d probably be considered traitors.
I agree, she shouldn't compete. I also think that doping is a doping principle should be held for all sportsmen even in therapeutic purpose, I'm sorry. Because it gives advantage regardless to reasoning behind and opens the door to manipulations. And the whole antydoping system reflects its inability to react properly ,ontime ,with guarantied anonymousity to underage sportsman
Not allowing prohibited medication that is used for legitimate medical reasons could be tricky. If someone had a heart condition that required this medication, without it they could be at 60% of a healthy person potential. The medication could close that gap. Not just for training and competing, but for leading a normal life.
I hope the IOC do the right thing. Cheating is cheating because is not fare to the other athletic.
I agree that Kamila Valieva should not be allowed to compete in the individual event and the team 1st for Russia should be revoked. Kamila should not have been allowed to compete at the Olympics at all. At the same time, Eteri Tuberidze is the one that truly needs to be held accountable and her camp needs to be shut down. if she and the adults who work at Sambo 70 are in any way microdosing Kamila, then who knows what else they could have been doing to the other skaters without their knowledge and not yet uncovered.
Truly sad. Hope you can also share your thoughts about the Men's event.
Planning to, have thoughts! Just need a bit more time :)
who started the harassment of a minor child should be judged`!!!! Disgusting and very dirty game against Tutberidze ! Just disgusting
Thank you for sharing your perspective! Was hoping you'd make a video regarding the topic 💖
kamila seems nice but then she demands autographs from certain people and praise them...
It is sad but I think you are right she should be banned from competition.
It is sad for figure skating in general a lot of credibility lost.
I honestly thought she might be able to be the next face of skating when Yuzu is leaving but that will not happen again. Unfair or not her career is stained she will not be able to come back from this.
Yuzu impressed us not only with artistry, but quality and longevity. 3 Olympics! It’s very unlikely she would be able to do that. Except maybe if they raise the age limit and she doesn’t have to compete with the 14-year olds. Because by the time they are 16-17, their trajectory is 👎
@@maple8859 You are correct there is no longevity in female skating und obviously nobody compares to Yuzuru!
Very strange why it took so long since testing. Regardless, it is for sure she was doped. Russia is well known for doping for years. She used to fall a lot, now she can jump or spinning crazy thanks to drug enhancemt.
lots of countries are well known for doping for years. it shouldn't be a question of who did it more times. Before the Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro, numerous top American athletes apparently wanted to obtain medical exemptions for drugs that are on the doping list. This emerges from an e-mail exchange between several employees of the American anti-doping agency Usada. Does this make it more right?
but what is strange, this medicine does not affect the physical quality at all....
@@liagallyamova1997 then why take it? She isn’t a junkie who wants to ingest any prescription medication just for the heck of it. It’s appalling trying to justify a prohibited drug with the argument that it doesn’t have any proven benefits for a athlete. It just shows lack of good judgment.
@@maple8859 I mean, I'm not trying to justify her. But its weird, what was the point of doing it? Why she well risk for this type of medicine? No hate, I'm just dont get it.
@@maple8859 Anyways, we well get answers tomorrow, we'll she skate or not, I hope it will be fair for her and all olympic athletes
BTW, Can you please tell me the music track that Kamila chose in her last performance (where she was wearing a red dress)? I really like that song, it is replaying in my head since I first heard it! 😊
Bolero
Bolero, it’s so overdone in figure skating, I wish they would’ve chose something to better show off her abilities, well I did feel that way. Now I just wish they would’ve done so much better by her and her talent by competing clean.
@@kerris1782 Thank you! I looked it up, and it's full title is "Maurice Ravel - Bolero". 😊
She should be allowed to compete because that drug she takes is for heart problems and it shouldn’t be Illegal she has had heart problems at a young age.
Athletes normally have to choose alternative medications to treat health conditions. One athlete with graves disease had to do so to avoid a specific drug that would have cost her 2 to 4 years of competitions.
Love your content - please keep up this reaction series. Also, you’re freakin’ adorable 🥰
I think everything is not yet clear. Maybe she had heart condition that requires her to take TMZ. If not then she should be banned at this Olympic Season because it would be unfair to others. Chances are she could go for world championship next month. . If if they allow her to compete the ladies figure skating would loose their face and make the laughingstock out of it. to be fair to her she needed to get the test if its has passed and free of TMZ then all suspicion would eliminate.
Can't agree with you. Her tests before and after that test were clean. TMZ is widely used in Russia by elder people. It has no performance enhancing effect. And it is used twice on daily basis which means it has no long lasting effect on health. Her tests in Beijing are clean, too. Similar case happened to another olympic medalist (can't recall her name), she was stripped off her medals, however she proved that she was unaware of the illegal drug as it was among ingredients of legally permitted supplement. Her medals were recovered. Kamila may have sama situation. Her talent, skills, abilities are not the result of TMZ. She has worked so hard for Olympics. According to international law norms she can attend the Olympics as this situation wasn't revealed during that particular competition. Anyways it will be investigated.
And she only took the supplements before the Nationals? What elite athlete takes all kind of unreliable supplements? Especially when it is known that the supplements could be laced with prohibited substances? As you just mentioned? Athletes at this level will not even drink water that doesn’t come from their own supply. They know everything there is to know about possible sources of unintentional exposure.
But why don’t you question the fact that the team’s doctor was suspended a few years ago for his part into doping cases. You know the saying: the wolf may change its coat, but not its habits.
Stop all the quads. Or at least limit a program to only one. And also judge the quads no matter how long it takes and take off points when there is really not a true quad performed. Pre rotating the quad for too long in the ice needs points taken off too.
I feel so sorry and for Kamila. Coaches should be sued for this. I wish she could compete, but unfortunately that would be unfair. Especially when I remember that Carolina Kostner was suspended from competing for TWO YEARS because her boyfriend who was an athlete was doping.
Skeptical about the take on her past achievements. If someone's caught doping, their previous medals no longer hold the same value. It all becomes questionable. So yes she shouldn't be allowed to compete. But also her medals and world records for this season should be removed.
It seems profoundly unfair to impose a ban on this young athlete before an investigation and solid proof that Valieva used the banned drug. The better procedure would be to allow her to skate provisionally, and, if use of the banned drug is proven, nullify her results later. There are many questions about this particular sample: the very small amount of the banned substance, the long period between the taking of the sample and the release of the results; the negative tests on the days before and after; and the unlikelihood that Valieva decided, on her own, to take this drug. All this is not to mention the fallibility of toxicology testing in general. There's much room for human error in toxicology tests: the drawing of the bodily fluids; the storage of the sample; the labelling of the sample; the transport of the sample; the transfer of the fluid to the testing container; the risk of contamination with other samples during testing.
There are many reasonable interpretations of the evidence here, including systematic (and systemic) doping. However, as in criminal trials, given two reasonable interpretations, we must chose the interpretation that points to the innocence of the accused.
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That's a great point! I was reading about how doping test results are actually only reported after significant re-tests, confirmation with other labs, etc. And so obviously I only think she should't be able to compete *given* that these results are accurate, tested multiple times maybe by different labs, etc. The hope is that the entire investigation will be able to take place before she would be competing; if they are still uncertain, I'm sure they would most likely let her continue to compete provisionally. I believe it will be announced tomorrow. By the way, I currently live in the Bay Area myself :)
It’s the only heart treatment drug that has worked for her since she started taking it when she was really young.
Would someone please why a positive test in December effects the Olympics held in February when the test was negative.
Because a positive test of a banned substance would disqualify you from even going to Olympics (according to rules), and practically because it could’ve helped her training and training leads to competition results.
@@EricStinehart Thanks! Stupid rule IMO.
Yaaaaaaaas I totally agree with your statement 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 a curious point is if they raise the age limit, would Eteri still have top level skaters? A lot of her skaters start to get injured and retire at around 17 so that’ll be interesting to see play out. But seriously Kamila shouldn’t compete but her coaches need to seriously be held accountable and banned. And it’s important to have compassion and empathy for her.
Also the ending with the dishwasher 😂
HAHA yes I thought I’d leave that small comedic bit in there for any loyal watchers who watched the whole thing 😂😂
She is a kid, but she is receiving money from the sport right? 🤔
Even if it were proved she needed the drug for a heart condition, which it hasn’t been proven, one would think she wouldn’t be on the Russian skating team. I mean I would think they would want their athlete to be healthy and doesn’t seem like this would be a healthy thing to do with all the practices and competitions. 🙄
Well said
I wonder if she was given the medication without her knowledge, like slipped in her food/drink. However,, she is 15 years old and if she took it knowingly, she would absolutely responsible. The coaches and the government pressure are at fault.
a lot of people suspect her coaches gave it to her and told her it was “vitamins.” if this is true, i fear for the other Eteri students as well.
Could it be that it is a mistake?
Seems unlikely! I’d think after a positive test they’d do all sorts of re-tests to confirm the result. Also, seems even more unlikely when you start thinking about Russia’s shaky history with doping (they’re “ROC” in this Olympics for a reason), the fact that TMZ is close/related to meldonium which is a drug that has had a big history in Russian skating, etc.
If she’s not able to win the gold metal which she deserves I’m going to boycott and start a very long protest against the Olympics, leave her alone.
I agree 100% with you. It is a fact that Kamilla had an advantage because of this drug found in her system. Whether she took it voluntarily or not - it doesnt matter, because its a fact that she had an advantage and that is unfair to other skaters. She could come back next year clean and pass her tests and i dont see how this is a problem to miss 1 olympics. And i think that teenagers should belong in the teen olympics.. and that adults should belong in the adult olympics
Cpuld you tell about Norvigians skiers suffering astma ?Or American girl named Simona who refused to compete without het drugs in Japan?Ehat about Norvigian skiet who admitted the other day that she failed yhe doping test i 2017, but nobody got to know about the fact and she got het medals Do it!Investigate those cases
Kamila for the win❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
I have no sympathy for her. Her parents should know everything that's going on with her and should prevent such things. Plus, what about her coaches. Additionally, it is likely Russia works the system in numerous ways.
Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!
We still don't know what are the arguments from the athlete's side. Too soon to conclude she took/was given this specific med. However people already shout "doping!!!" at every corner 24/7.
Let me tell you a story. In February 2018, the same CAS temporarily suspended bobsledder Nadezhda Sergeeva and annulled her results at the Olympics due to a positive test containing the very same trimetazidine. The sample was taken during the Olympics. And CAS later annulled the athlete's suspension, because the med she took was contaminated with the banned substance. The manufacturer was producing meds for regular people usage and athletes on the same line. The meds for athletes should have been clean of any banned substance, but...
Right now the main concern is the CAS panel for the case. The panel for some reason will include a USA high rank figure skating official, which is strange indeed given current situation.
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I am happy that she can compete. Any medals that she would win and had won would be under investigation. But at least she would keep her career and will continue to skate. The main thing is that she can skate, otherwise her life could be broken. My whole concern is about her and not about gold medals. Let the girl be! Please!
they just want to undermine camila
I believe, Kamila’s Olympic future is decided by independent and competent professionals, not by unknown average skaters ✋
Never claimed to decide, just giving my take given the situation. If I’m average, I’d hate to think what you are… 😰
While it is certain that the decision belongs to others, there is no reason why one cannot have an opinion. I am grateful for Eric’s opinion because he is a former figure skater.
@@EricStinehart The Little boy was offended :(