Trusova stands out among the Eteri girls in several ways: her technique is actually much better especially on the Axel where she actually steps up into the jump instead of rotating into it. She has a psychological barrier to landing the triple Axel. She doesnt rely on rotation speed (although it is incredibly tight) she gets fantastic height period.
@@georgiasmith7615 Yes she has done them beautifully in practice and can never land them in competition and she step up into the jump like the men do and how Ito and Harding used to do it and they are far superior to the ones done by Valieva
@@cmat4106 At times, it seems like she is close to over-rotating it, particularly in competition. I wonder if some of it is actually due to the feeling of (counting pre and UR) rotating the same amount in air as her quads, but not having that 1/4 almost UR feeling. From what I've seen in practice videos, she lands her 3A totally clean in her and with less leg wrap in her best attempts than does with her quads. If she is too focused on the quad feeling and landing, I could see how she could sort of slip off the back of the blade. On the flip side, she tends to UR the 3A in the SP... it's almost like she hasn't clicked into full gear yet. If she is dead set on keeping the 3A, It makes me wonder if it would be better for her to completely nix the 3A (and 2A) in the FS and isolating it to solo jump practices and SP run-throughs instead. For every new quad she lands, it's a new jump to develop muscle memory for. With her quads in the FS, she doesn't need the 3A there. The only place it would make a substantial difference for her is in the SP anyway. I'd also be curious to see if turning the 3A into a combo might make it easier on her mentally. I know that sounds counterintuitive, but sometimes treating an element like it isn't "special" can help get rid of some of the nerves.
@@killbethy yes she often overrotates them in competition like she's trying too hard. But actually the triple Axel would make a difference in both the short and the long considering its no longer an ordinal system so literally every point counts. Right now she can only do 5-6 triples in the long. But with the triple Axel she could add one more triple that would be worth more than any of the other triples. She could still get more points for falling on her triple axel than a double so its probably worth still worth the gamble unless it jeopardizes her performance. In the short she really gives up points she could gain because she cannot use her quads....yet. and she needs to maximize her tech score to make up the deficit on her component scores she gives away to the other Eteri girls.
Zhenya can't turn her back to the left anymore, so I'd argue that the twisting of the back pre-rotating a jump requires will definitely cause injuries long-term.
I really love sasha but I can't ignore the fact that she always pre-rotate her quad Lutz, even if she is the only one among girls she doing it close to the real quad lutz, she always turn on the ice then jump it, im telling myself if she move to other coaches maybe she ll work on it, sasha still want to do quads like mens thats why she has better technic than other girls of team eteri. Please do more videos like that.
Most ladies these days pre rotate. With the absence of Russia at worlds all of the woman on the world podium all pre-rotated their lutz by a half except for Alysa Liu who prerotates 3/4. It’s unfortunate that very few skaters have amazing technique Like yuna kim
I like Trusova’s quad flip even more than the men’s. Sometimes it goes to a slight outside edge, but even then it’s closer to an actual flip than the deep inside edge flips. Edit: Anna’s flip is a slight inside edge, which is actually about the only correct thing she does in that jump. Lmao
To me the extreme pre-rotations with 'full blade assist' technique makes toe jumps more like toe axels or the loop. The cheating is not only in terms of rotation but also a fundamental disregard of proper jump requirements . Traditionally skaters are rewarded for mastering different jumps with different and specific requirements. With this new technique, the flip and lutz are reduced to simply cosmetically different variations of the loop jump, and a triple toe more like a double axel.
100%. The fact that Anna's atrocious floop gets positive GOE makes my skin crawl. She got 14.77 for her 4F in Beijing. Nathan got 15.24 for his textbook perfect one. That's literally only half a point difference. Is this really the kind of technique we want to promote? And she's the Olympic champion? And sadly, it's spreading to men's skating as well. There are many guys who are technically perfect, like Hanyu, Chen, Kolyada, Jin etc., and then there are the likes of Kagiyama (prerotations, flutz) or Uno (whose quad flip is only slightly better than Anna's and still one of the ugliest jumps I've ever seen). Not to mention that this flawed technique is what makes those girls retire too early due to injuries that proper technique would help avoid.
I agree with everything but the comparison of Anya and Sasha with their not ideal technique only with Nathan or Ilia with brilliant lutzes, but not with Vincent Jou or Daniel Grassle who have the same problems with technique. I’d say that girls’ quads are equal to men’s and correctness of technique of jumps doesn’t depend on gender
Someone made a really nice side by side of Anna's and Boyang's quad lutz th-cam.com/video/VziXOiM8Jaw/w-d-xo.html It just shows really how much different the height, and amount rotation in the air. It's flat out lesser quality jump IMO. Did she do a quad, yeah she did but with almost a full rotation on ice, so basically 3-3.25 rotation but credited as quads. Anyway, I've been excited long for Zhilina. Her take off technique is one of the best but her consistency is not there yet. She has been practicing 4Lz and she came close lamding it 1-2 years ago and I said to myself that this would be the only valid ladies 4Lz in my eyes when she lands it. So it was cool to see it happen. A bit conflicting cause she's still very small and growing. Plush posted when Nika completed a unnecessary crazy sequence of jump, I forgot what it was 4S- 3-3-3-3 etc. Wish that she's trained with care as to not cause injury.
@@DeepSeas.. and men have also been doing quads ALOT longer than women have so… there is also LESS girls doing Quads than the amount of men that are. Give the women time to do it as long and as many as men have. We also need to remember that woman don’t have any examples to lead by with the quads. Very few of them do it and most of them being coached by the same person. Men have had time to watch, learn, grow and get better, yet there is still some of them have bad quad technique, so I would say we give the girls a break yea?
@@DeepSeas.. 5 out of how many? Those 5 are fringe extremes as well...the majority of men who perform 4Lz can't perform it "properly". In no way can you claim that Sasha's 4Lz is worse than Vincent's...you also can't claim that Sasha's 4F is worse than Shoma's.
I don't really like to compare male and female skaters like this. The bodies of male and female skaters are different so they can do different things best. Like for example lots of spins like the Biehlmann pirouette are done better by the women.
A mi me encata Alexandra trusova, seguramente mejorará sus componentes, la he visto en las presentaciones de estos días y ha suavizado mucho su patinaje, para mi es deficitivamente mejor que Anna, su fuerza y espirtu son impresionantes, su resisciencia maravillosa, le deso lo mejor pues para Rusia la competencia parece haber terminado internacionalmente hablando., la técnica y conjeturas para los realmente expertos.(jueces)
Personally I think for fully grown women it's near impossible to jump the more difficult quads, purely biologically speaking with their wider hips. It's just not as aerodynamic. I also think pre rotation from the half way mark and over (according to the mechanics of the jump) should be deducted in GOE. After all a quad jump is approx 4 revolutions in the air. Not 3¼ and the last ¾ rotation done on the ice before the jump. If they lack rotation on the landing, they get deducted in GOE but if they lack it on take off nothing happens. Make it make sense ISU.
In 6.0 counting rotations didn't make sense or needed but in IJS where they have UR and even q deductiona IMO it becomes important to differentiate where the rotations happen. So ISU need to make this happen or else the good technique will die and this weird arm swingy and muscled jump will thrive.
ITA, prerotation should be punished just as UR is. It's only fair. Doesn't matter if you steal rotation on take off or landing, you're still not performing the required number of rotations in the air.
Why is it though women who aren’t small can land 3A fine. Tonya Harding and Midori Ito were the first to land 3A and they definitely weren’t tiny. It is surprising all these years later only a relatively few women can land a fully rotated 3A. Even among the Russians only a few can land 3A. Anna and Sasha can’t.
@@georgiasmith7615 for one they jumped from their legs. The Russian girls in team Tutberidze jump from well, their back, arms and generally tend to use more upper body to get into their rotation. That's legit the only explanation I can come up with. That and the risk of not landing it clean would mean much more loss in points. Better play it safe than lose a bunch of important points.
@@georgiasmith7615 the mechanics of axel vs other jumps is totally different. The axel takes of forward while the others backward. Axel jump use the muscle of your legs while backward jumps could be cheated with prerotation and twisting of the back muscle. That's what I think the reason Tut skaters or Dudakov specifically cannot teach 3A well because their technique depends too much on prerotation and back twisting instead of building the leg muscle.
So you are saying women's quads equal to men's by showing the massive pre-rotation, full blade assist, 3 revolutions on air,... of these girls? These girls quads never exceed 3.5 revolutions and it's called best quads, no ways it's near men's. All they do is to spin speed faster, change their Q into beautiful landing, maybe their axis ... so they can get higher GOE and people's belief that women Quads is better. I'm not being serious or raged but i disagree with your statement, maybe you could show us some good executions by the girls so that we can somehow agree that they're approaching the men's quads. But at the moment, i really concerned that they are chasing after Quads just to get more scores, attention, awards, acknowledgements instead of contributing to FS world their devotion to the sport. It's like more quads but the quality aren't better than the old skater's triple. And some talented girls who don't get people's acknowledge simply because they can't do Quads? Especially in Russia. These are just my opinion, keep up the work in analysis, it's really useful for FS fans like me.
Why is it that only Eteri's girls (children) who really do them consistently? If the answer is chemical enhancement, then are we doing a real comparison? I am not counting juniors. Let us see what they do at 15, 16 and 17 years old.
I think it’s more that Eteri is the only run pushing her skaters to regularly do them. Coaches of other countries discourage them from doing them with the wrong technique because they are afraid of them getting injured. Rika Khira of Japan landed one and now she is out with a serious ankle injury.
I mean Sasha has been doing the quads since juniors and is now almost 18 and is still trying to do MORE jumps. And abt your question on why the Eteri girls are the ones doing it consistently well it seems in general people are just against woman doing quads, ppl complain abt it all the time. It seems more like Russia is just have their girls get pushed to start doing it, probably to make sure that they have a close enough guaranteed win.
This title feels sexist...it implies that women quads are inherently worse than men quads. Which just isn't true considering Sasha or literally any girl doing a 4S has a better 4S than Morisi.... you can't say that Sasha has a worse 4Lz and 4F compared to the Vincent's and Shoma's. In fact, you can make an argument that hers is even better considering her only fault for the 4Lz is a low pick and 1/2 prerotation, which Vincent also has, except he also routinely underrotates it. Sasha's 4F's only faults are 1/2 prerotation, low pick, and the wrong edge... Shoma's 4F has all those technical issues IN ADDITION to a hammer toe pick and poor air position and takeoff posture. Sasha's SBS 4T with Yuzuru looked absolutely beautiful and it looked like a carbon copy of Yuzu's, except with even more height (which makes sense since he's a lot older than her). Nathan is a fringe extreme in terms of mens quads as well....he is in no way a representation of the vast majority of the field.
The men who are not Nathan Chen/Boyang Jin tend to have problems with under-rotations. Maybe because they don't cheat the take-off as much. Morisi excepted.
@@pw6517 Anna is 18 and still landing quads. Everyone said that about Sasha when she was 13 and she just gets stronger by the year, landing 5 quads in a program, becoming the fifth person in the world to do so at the age of 17….
@@pw6517 I’m not minimizing their abuse. What Eteri does is awful but it’s just plain sexist to say that men quads are better than woman quads. Also, calm down, they’re literally the first generation of women to be landing quads consistently. You have absolute no proof that they’re going to quit the sport due to injury before their 20s…I have absolutely no idea why you feel like you have the right to claim that when there is no empirical evidence that quads destroy women’s bodies at the age of 20. (Mind you, quads also destroy male bodies too.) Any element will cause injury and these statements feel extremely targeted
Vincent Zhou has done it with 4Lz. Arms above the head is no longer positive GOE bullet points under IJS anymore. Anyway, if skaters have trained with rippon/tano, it might become easier for them. Some coaches use it to fix jump axis such as in Kamila case, I don't really see anything special or more positive with it
God please let's abolish the tano/rippon completely. The arms over the head make me wanna throw things at my TV. So unnecessary. Also, could bet 100% that the girls who do rippon jumps all the time would actually not be able to execute them cleanly without it. So for them it's easier this way. AND a rippon jump with horrible technique, wrong edge and severe prerotation doesn't count for anything for me.
The Russian women, I mean infants, ALL take illegal drugs...so what is the purpose of this video? The Russian women also take off from the wrong blade direction, pre-rotate and under-rotation at the end...so what is the purpose of this video. Why is anyone, Eric Steinhart, wasting any time dedicated to Russians period. Desperate for click-bate?
@@cmat4106 Have you heard of a little thing called the SOCHI Olympics - where Russia was banned from using their country name, flag and anthem for three consecutive Olympics due to cheating and illegal drugs? I can't believe anyone would defend any Russian when their hands are covered in blood and they are murderers killing thousands of Ukrainians. And regarding wrong blade direction, pre-rotations and under-rotations - please educate yourself. Your ignorance is astonishing.
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Trusova stands out among the Eteri girls in several ways: her technique is actually much better especially on the Axel where she actually steps up into the jump instead of rotating into it. She has a psychological barrier to landing the triple Axel. She doesnt rely on rotation speed (although it is incredibly tight) she gets fantastic height period.
Hasn’t she landed it quite a few times in practice? But as you said she seems to have a psychological block to landing it in competition.
@@georgiasmith7615 Yes she has done them beautifully in practice and can never land them in competition and she step up into the jump like the men do and how Ito and Harding used to do it and they are far superior to the ones done by Valieva
@@cmat4106 At times, it seems like she is close to over-rotating it, particularly in competition. I wonder if some of it is actually due to the feeling of (counting pre and UR) rotating the same amount in air as her quads, but not having that 1/4 almost UR feeling. From what I've seen in practice videos, she lands her 3A totally clean in her and with less leg wrap in her best attempts than does with her quads. If she is too focused on the quad feeling and landing, I could see how she could sort of slip off the back of the blade. On the flip side, she tends to UR the 3A in the SP... it's almost like she hasn't clicked into full gear yet. If she is dead set on keeping the 3A, It makes me wonder if it would be better for her to completely nix the 3A (and 2A) in the FS and isolating it to solo jump practices and SP run-throughs instead. For every new quad she lands, it's a new jump to develop muscle memory for. With her quads in the FS, she doesn't need the 3A there. The only place it would make a substantial difference for her is in the SP anyway. I'd also be curious to see if turning the 3A into a combo might make it easier on her mentally. I know that sounds counterintuitive, but sometimes treating an element like it isn't "special" can help get rid of some of the nerves.
@@killbethy yes she often overrotates them in competition like she's trying too hard. But actually the triple Axel would make a difference in both the short and the long considering its no longer an ordinal system so literally every point counts. Right now she can only do 5-6 triples in the long. But with the triple Axel she could add one more triple that would be worth more than any of the other triples. She could still get more points for falling on her triple axel than a double so its probably worth still worth the gamble unless it jeopardizes her performance. In the short she really gives up points she could gain because she cannot use her quads....yet. and she needs to maximize her tech score to make up the deficit on her component scores she gives away to the other Eteri girls.
Zhenya can't turn her back to the left anymore, so I'd argue that the twisting of the back pre-rotating a jump requires will definitely cause injuries long-term.
Zhenya can't turn her back to the left anymore. Also Zhenya in 2023 - does 3S and spins in 2023 ice show. Gotta love that imagination though.
I really love sasha but I can't ignore the fact that she always pre-rotate her quad Lutz, even if she is the only one among girls she doing it close to the real quad lutz, she always turn on the ice then jump it, im telling myself if she move to other coaches maybe she ll work on it, sasha still want to do quads like mens thats why she has better technic than other girls of team eteri. Please do more videos like that.
Most ladies these days pre rotate. With the absence of Russia at worlds all of the woman on the world podium all pre-rotated their lutz by a half except for Alysa Liu who prerotates 3/4. It’s unfortunate that very few skaters have amazing technique Like yuna kim
I like Trusova’s quad flip even more than the men’s. Sometimes it goes to a slight outside edge, but even then it’s closer to an actual flip than the deep inside edge flips.
Edit: Anna’s flip is a slight inside edge, which is actually about the only correct thing she does in that jump. Lmao
To me the extreme pre-rotations with 'full blade assist' technique makes toe jumps more like toe axels or the loop. The cheating is not only in terms of rotation but also a fundamental disregard of proper jump requirements . Traditionally skaters are rewarded for mastering different jumps with different and specific requirements. With this new technique, the flip and lutz are reduced to simply cosmetically different variations of the loop jump, and a triple toe more like a double axel.
100%. The fact that Anna's atrocious floop gets positive GOE makes my skin crawl. She got 14.77 for her 4F in Beijing. Nathan got 15.24 for his textbook perfect one. That's literally only half a point difference. Is this really the kind of technique we want to promote? And she's the Olympic champion? And sadly, it's spreading to men's skating as well. There are many guys who are technically perfect, like Hanyu, Chen, Kolyada, Jin etc., and then there are the likes of Kagiyama (prerotations, flutz) or Uno (whose quad flip is only slightly better than Anna's and still one of the ugliest jumps I've ever seen).
Not to mention that this flawed technique is what makes those girls retire too early due to injuries that proper technique would help avoid.
Sasha is so strong, completely the exception from eteri's girls
I agree with everything but the comparison of Anya and Sasha with their not ideal technique only with Nathan or Ilia with brilliant lutzes, but not with Vincent Jou or Daniel Grassle who have the same problems with technique. I’d say that girls’ quads are equal to men’s and correctness of technique of jumps doesn’t depend on gender
Someone made a really nice side by side of Anna's and Boyang's quad lutz
th-cam.com/video/VziXOiM8Jaw/w-d-xo.html
It just shows really how much different the height, and amount rotation in the air. It's flat out lesser quality jump IMO. Did she do a quad, yeah she did but with almost a full rotation on ice, so basically 3-3.25 rotation but credited as quads.
Anyway, I've been excited long for Zhilina. Her take off technique is one of the best but her consistency is not there yet. She has been practicing 4Lz and she came close lamding it 1-2 years ago and I said to myself that this would be the only valid ladies 4Lz in my eyes when she lands it. So it was cool to see it happen. A bit conflicting cause she's still very small and growing. Plush posted when Nika completed a unnecessary crazy sequence of jump, I forgot what it was 4S- 3-3-3-3 etc. Wish that she's trained with care as to not cause injury.
There are definitely men with very bad quad technique, so yes, I would say they are equal
No woman has performed a technically sound quad lutz. Five men have.
@@DeepSeas.. and men have also been doing quads ALOT longer than women have so… there is also LESS girls doing Quads than the amount of men that are. Give the women time to do it as long and as many as men have. We also need to remember that woman don’t have any examples to lead by with the quads. Very few of them do it and most of them being coached by the same person. Men have had time to watch, learn, grow and get better, yet there is still some of them have bad quad technique, so I would say we give the girls a break yea?
@@DeepSeas.. 5 out of how many? Those 5 are fringe extremes as well...the majority of men who perform 4Lz can't perform it "properly". In no way can you claim that Sasha's 4Lz is worse than Vincent's...you also can't claim that Sasha's 4F is worse than Shoma's.
I don't really like to compare male and female skaters like this. The bodies of male and female skaters are different so they can do different things best. Like for example lots of spins like the Biehlmann pirouette are done better by the women.
A mi me encata Alexandra trusova, seguramente mejorará sus componentes, la he visto en las presentaciones de estos días y ha suavizado mucho su patinaje, para mi es deficitivamente mejor que Anna, su fuerza y espirtu son impresionantes, su resisciencia maravillosa, le deso lo mejor pues para Rusia la competencia parece haber terminado internacionalmente hablando., la técnica y conjeturas para los realmente expertos.(jueces)
plus prerotation isnt punished thats why everyone is doing it
Kolyada has the best quad lutz technique
Personally I think for fully grown women it's near impossible to jump the more difficult quads, purely biologically speaking with their wider hips. It's just not as aerodynamic.
I also think pre rotation from the half way mark and over (according to the mechanics of the jump) should be deducted in GOE. After all a quad jump is approx 4 revolutions in the air. Not 3¼ and the last ¾ rotation done on the ice before the jump. If they lack rotation on the landing, they get deducted in GOE but if they lack it on take off nothing happens. Make it make sense ISU.
In 6.0 counting rotations didn't make sense or needed but in IJS where they have UR and even q deductiona IMO it becomes important to differentiate where the rotations happen. So ISU need to make this happen or else the good technique will die and this weird arm swingy and muscled jump will thrive.
ITA, prerotation should be punished just as UR is. It's only fair. Doesn't matter if you steal rotation on take off or landing, you're still not performing the required number of rotations in the air.
Why is it though women who aren’t small can land 3A fine. Tonya Harding and Midori Ito were the first to land 3A and they definitely weren’t tiny. It is surprising all these years later only a relatively few women can land a fully rotated 3A. Even among the Russians only a few can land 3A. Anna and Sasha can’t.
@@georgiasmith7615 for one they jumped from their legs. The Russian girls in team Tutberidze jump from well, their back, arms and generally tend to use more upper body to get into their rotation. That's legit the only explanation I can come up with. That and the risk of not landing it clean would mean much more loss in points. Better play it safe than lose a bunch of important points.
@@georgiasmith7615 the mechanics of axel vs other jumps is totally different. The axel takes of forward while the others backward. Axel jump use the muscle of your legs while backward jumps could be cheated with prerotation and twisting of the back muscle. That's what I think the reason Tut skaters or Dudakov specifically cannot teach 3A well because their technique depends too much on prerotation and back twisting instead of building the leg muscle.
Maybe you can do other videos about stuff like skating skills, transitions etc? I really enjoy your input :)
You gotta check out Zhilinas technique. She has also landed a quad lutz (not in comp) with great technique
So you are saying women's quads equal to men's by showing the massive pre-rotation, full blade assist, 3 revolutions on air,... of these girls? These girls quads never exceed 3.5 revolutions and it's called best quads, no ways it's near men's. All they do is to spin speed faster, change their Q into beautiful landing, maybe their axis ... so they can get higher GOE and people's belief that women Quads is better. I'm not being serious or raged but i disagree with your statement, maybe you could show us some good executions by the girls so that we can somehow agree that they're approaching the men's quads. But at the moment, i really concerned that they are chasing after Quads just to get more scores, attention, awards, acknowledgements instead of contributing to FS world their devotion to the sport. It's like more quads but the quality aren't better than the old skater's triple. And some talented girls who don't get people's acknowledge simply because they can't do Quads? Especially in Russia.
These are just my opinion, keep up the work in analysis, it's really useful for FS fans like me.
Do you have video with Veronica Zhilina?
I'm not a fan of the girls' quads at all. To me it looks way too forced with all that prerotation. And it doesn't even look good aesthetically.
good videos but for better explanations please add videos of the girls and the jumps because the names can get a little confessing. Good video
Why is it that only Eteri's girls (children) who really do them consistently? If the answer is chemical enhancement, then are we doing a real comparison? I am not counting juniors. Let us see what they do at 15, 16 and 17 years old.
I think it’s more that Eteri is the only run pushing her skaters to regularly do them. Coaches of other countries discourage them from doing them with the wrong technique because they are afraid of them getting injured. Rika Khira of Japan landed one and now she is out with a serious ankle injury.
I mean Sasha has been doing the quads since juniors and is now almost 18 and is still trying to do MORE jumps. And abt your question on why the Eteri girls are the ones doing it consistently well it seems in general people are just against woman doing quads, ppl complain abt it all the time. It seems more like Russia is just have their girls get pushed to start doing it, probably to make sure that they have a close enough guaranteed win.
All of Eteri’s girls use their arms here and in combinations. The pause and then the arms to get the second jump is so annoying.
This title feels sexist...it implies that women quads are inherently worse than men quads. Which just isn't true considering Sasha or literally any girl doing a 4S has a better 4S than Morisi.... you can't say that Sasha has a worse 4Lz and 4F compared to the Vincent's and Shoma's. In fact, you can make an argument that hers is even better considering her only fault for the 4Lz is a low pick and 1/2 prerotation, which Vincent also has, except he also routinely underrotates it. Sasha's 4F's only faults are 1/2 prerotation, low pick, and the wrong edge... Shoma's 4F has all those technical issues IN ADDITION to a hammer toe pick and poor air position and takeoff posture.
Sasha's SBS 4T with Yuzuru looked absolutely beautiful and it looked like a carbon copy of Yuzu's, except with even more height (which makes sense since he's a lot older than her).
Nathan is a fringe extreme in terms of mens quads as well....he is in no way a representation of the vast majority of the field.
The men who are not Nathan Chen/Boyang Jin tend to have problems with under-rotations. Maybe because they don't cheat the take-off as much. Morisi excepted.
@@skatefan9495 Have you ever met Vincent Zhou or Daniel Grassl? Daniel even prerotates 3/4. Shoma and Vincent prerotate 1/2.
@@pw6517 Anna is 18 and still landing quads. Everyone said that about Sasha when she was 13 and she just gets stronger by the year, landing 5 quads in a program, becoming the fifth person in the world to do so at the age of 17….
@@pw6517 I’m not minimizing their abuse. What Eteri does is awful but it’s just plain sexist to say that men quads are better than woman quads. Also, calm down, they’re literally the first generation of women to be landing quads consistently. You have absolute no proof that they’re going to quit the sport due to injury before their 20s…I have absolutely no idea why you feel like you have the right to claim that when there is no empirical evidence that quads destroy women’s bodies at the age of 20. (Mind you, quads also destroy male bodies too.) Any element will cause injury and these statements feel extremely targeted
points wise the judges think ladies 4s are equal to mens
title should read Quad King vs Pre-rotation Queens
I mean...Sasha's 4S and 4T are completely textbook...
Who out of the men are putting their arms above their heads? None.
Vincent Zhou has done it with 4Lz. Arms above the head is no longer positive GOE bullet points under IJS anymore. Anyway, if skaters have trained with rippon/tano, it might become easier for them. Some coaches use it to fix jump axis such as in Kamila case, I don't really see anything special or more positive with it
God please let's abolish the tano/rippon completely. The arms over the head make me wanna throw things at my TV. So unnecessary.
Also, could bet 100% that the girls who do rippon jumps all the time would actually not be able to execute them cleanly without it. So for them it's easier this way. AND a rippon jump with horrible technique, wrong edge and severe prerotation doesn't count for anything for me.
Valieva has said she learned the jumps that way. If that is the case and she can't jump without arms up, it's not more difficult or more impressive.
The Russian women, I mean infants, ALL take illegal drugs...so what is the purpose of this video? The Russian women also take off from the wrong blade direction, pre-rotate and under-rotation at the end...so what is the purpose of this video. Why is anyone, Eric Steinhart, wasting any time dedicated to Russians period. Desperate for click-bate?
Only Kamila Valieva tested positive for a banned substance?
@@prairiejones4290 Wake up and please give your head a shake - if one takes illegal drugs, they all take illegal drugs.
show your evidence or be liable for slander
@@cmat4106 Have you heard of a little thing called the SOCHI Olympics - where Russia was banned from using their country name, flag and anthem for three consecutive Olympics due to cheating and illegal drugs? I can't believe anyone would defend any Russian when their hands are covered in blood and they are murderers killing thousands of Ukrainians. And regarding wrong blade direction, pre-rotations and under-rotations - please educate yourself. Your ignorance is astonishing.
“All”? How do you know?