The reason why Sochi women scandal is still talked even now is because Sochi was simply a daylight robbery. LIke Russia did that in front of the world and thought no one would notice. I remember that a commentator said of the score Adelina received in the SP was "generous score" because it indeed was, the seed was planted since the SP. To get ahead of Carolina Kostner with easier jump layout and to get so close with Yuna was simply outrageous. Then the FP, it was simply a clown show. But you said it correctly, just by calling Adelina 3Lze + 3T< the podium would switch and ISU by rejecting that simply losing accountability. That even before talking about GOE & PCS inflation. Also, just if Adelina is more likeable as a person fans would be easier on her. I mean bullying her is not right, but it didn't help when Adelina demonstrated a bratty attitude in the press conference in Sochi. She was self centered teenager before and unlikeable adult now. She mentioned about ED being normal in FS if you want to succeed and saying that Kaori high score in WTT 2019 was because of home advantage (like her win was literally the definition of home advantage lol).
@@Ore_no_nawa_Eren_Yeager sorry but it trencended all fans. Basically mao bot and yuna bot and other bots united and agreed that Adelina was a fake champion, except of course some Russian bot lol. If you cannot see it then you're a lost cause because I don't know what to convince you otherwise with so many facts already out there, you simply refused them all.
@@yohanes2034 no point in responding to trolls. I just see them as lonely nerds who desire attention and any response from another person to acknowledge that they exist but the only way they can get anyone’s attention is to post something utterly ridiculous. Don’t give them the satisfaction of your response.
What you have said how on how skating skills could not just increase in a span of months just proves the fact that Adelina got 9s on her PCS with only 7s in just two months going into the olympics. Meanwhile, it took Yuna SEVEN WHOLE YEARS in her career to get her pcs from 7s to 9s. That is how skating skills improve, you can clearly see how Yuna had deep and even better edges in her 2013 and 2014 seasons.
Thank you! The last time I chatted with Koola was 2 years ago, and she said she was tired and needed to get back to her life, taking an indefinite break.
I miss Koola, her videos are so funny. Hope she's back making videos (when she's ready to get back) because with what happened now in FS, she would have a field day.
Her bots are also believing the fact that Adelina won because she was excited and was high energy in her performance, and aggressive in such a way that her program looks rush to me tbh. Meanwhile, they said Yuna was sad and pokerface and wasn't smiling on her free skate. Like literally, Yuna is literally skating to a tango, Adios Nonino, a farewell song, she was into her program, she was embodying it thus she deserves even 10s in her interpretation. How would they expect her to laugh and smile all throughout skating to a farewell music?
Her bots simply don't understand figure skating and how good skating skills look like. That juniorish level of skating with flat edges, hopped turns, and rush movements did not deserve anywhere in Yuna/ Kostner/ Asada level.
At least Adelina did get edge calls in competitions prior to the Olympics. For Medvedeva, they decided to never call her flutz right from the beginning of her career so to make it less suspicious when it wasn't called either at the Olympics. Sure, honey. Nobody noticed a thing. The corruption was completely inconspicuous.
They did call Zagitova and Trusova during European championships but yeah it got uproar from Russia as if they're doing textbook jumps and shouldn't be called. The judges are just afraid.
please compare yuna's and adelina's short program. i remember yuna got 0 for GOE on a jump. utter bs. they underscored her short program that was such a crime.
This was where I lost my innocence. Suddenly I realised figure skating judging can be corrupted at the highest levels. However, 8 years on, there are still a lot of classic performances to cherish from Mao's LP and Kostner's SP. Little did we know then they were all performing in the lion's den of Russia. It's not a surprise now, but I think we had a very different view of Russia then. @Eric Stinehart Just putting a request in for a similar analysis between Oksana Baiul and Nancy Kerrigan in Lillehammer 1994? Who should have rightly won in today's system?
Queen Yuna and Carolina Kostner knew going into this competition that the Russian girls would be at the top. They were in Sochi Russia. Lipnitskaya (Eteri was her coach) was slated to win but she fell apart in the competition and Russia made Sotnikova a champion.
Champion is not the word I would use to describe Sotnikova. She can say she has a formal title and some delusional Russians might believe it but the fact is her title and medal are tainted and in the rest of the world she is only known as the girl who stole Yuna's medal. It was not her doing but she has never acknowledged the questionable judging and her poor technique. She is sort of a symbol for Sochi corruption and her sample was actually tampered with in the lab. I just hate the ISU and IOC for not doing anything about it. Yuna is way too classy but someone should be suing the ISU and IOC on her behalf
Even the Italian commentators said that when Adelina's scores were revealed. They mentioned something along the lines of " they wanted to make Lipnitskaya the winner but because it didn't work out for her they did it for Sotnikova instead". I also found it very odd that Adelina's short program had VERY inflated GOEs, but the judges probably did that to close the gap between her and Yuna so that it would be easier for them to allow her to win in the free skate.
@@sarahcorbo3659 Indeed, such blatant cheating. Someone really needs to push a lawsuit, as it would totally deter Russia and the ISU from colluding and there should be a criminal investigation.
I kinda feel like with Lipnitskaya's huge error in the SP, they decided to help inflate Sotnikova's scores. Had Lipnitskaya performed well in that SP, I feel like they'd give Sotnikova a fairer score, but who knows? I do think her SP program was really overscored and same for PCS in the FS. I don't think Adelina should have won, but maybe this was Russia making a statement or getting revenge on 2010, where they definitely felt Plushenko should have won over Lysacek. To me, that's maybe where it started and then with the 2014 Olympics, they wanted to find a way to make it all about Russia and in addition help Plushenko get another gold or maybe two; so.... let's add a team event...but that's my guess. I feel like it shoulda been Yuna Gold, Kostner SIlver and Bronze up for debate
@@joshua_jgt3221 I still can't believe with all her content that she'd score less than the other 2 ladies. I could have seen her at least win the FS portion of the event, if this were judged fairly, but we know she didn't get the Russian Inflation bonus.
You should have started with the sp because it was where that "undeserving champion" was blatantly over scored. How could an under rotated 3t-3t even came close to a textbook 3lz-3t? Also, how come that fake champion got level 4 on her ss? If judged fairly, Yuna should have had at least 6-7 points higher than that entitled champion on the sp... The rigging was on from the get go... 😏😏😏
the reason adelina gets hated on is because she thinks she deserves the gold... didn't even try to be humble or anything, she simply said, "I deserve to win because I had a more difficult program than Yuna"...
What did u want her to say? I didnt deserve to win, yuna was the real winner, the judges helped me to gold. Lmao puhlease she would be killed by the communist party
Nothing against Adelina and whoever is hating on her just stop. Other than that, this is why people are calling it a robbery. In a sport like figure skating where the scores are in part subjective, there will always be mistakes or questionable decisions. But that is not what happened here. As Eric goes into, Adelina has made multiple mistakes and it pretty much only took 1 for her to not get the gold medal. Then you have the PCS score, where somehow she got essentially the same score as Yuna, despite it being absolutely clear that their skating skills/artistry etc. are not comparable. If there was one questionable call, then sure you can't fault the judges, but all the stars literally had to align for Adelina to win. Add the fact that multiple Russian athletes were caught cheating supported by the backing of the Russian staff and it is very hard to believe this wasn't in some way fixed. If Yuna was from the US or Canada we might have gotten an actual investigation and resolution... The worst part for me is that it seems pretty clear Russia took this as a green light to cheat in the future and everything around the Tutberidze girls seems to be pointing in that exact direction.
Could you PLEASE make a video about the judging of the MALE SINGLES in the Olympics 2014??Especially around the controversy regarding the judging of Denis Ten vs Javier Fernandez. I feel like Yuzuru´s deserved gold kept people from talking about how suspicious the judging on many other athletes was, but I really want an expert opinion.
Women's skating died in 2014. Adelina pre-rotated her flip and lutz by 1/2 rotation along with under-rotated the 3toe by 1/2 rotation. It's very clear who the better technician and artist is. Russia took control of the ISU in 2014.
It's really just so beyond pathetic how they have to use little girls and dope them up and use them as symbols of Russiannationalism. Like can you get any more pathetic?
Can you make a video about recent Olympics please and who should have won according to you? There are a lot of videos about that but you know the stuff so Im curious to hear about that.
regarding the judgement scandle, in my opinion it should count in 2019 WC & 19 GFP men's skating. Yuzuru performed his LP-Origin perfectly, which brought the blooming comments from commentators all over the world for his remarkable achivements. However, his LP scores, we only refer to tes, are terrible against with his accomplishment; especially, the 5 quad-jumps in 2019 GPF cannot hit 100 tes. Seems there's none of normal GOE issued to Yuzuru since from 2019. Even not to mention PCS, we can only see jumpers in current figure skating expect Yuzuru. Wondering your analysis and clarification if you're interested. appreciate your time on it. Thanks a lot in advance.
This is an old wound you open but rightfully so....the ISU Russian favoring Mafia with Judges, just Sick and its destroying our Sport. I'm glad what took place in the 2022 winter Olympics happened it was a tragedy for Figure Skating, it hurt far more than Yuna Kims lost because it effected All of the Skaters to this day. It took Vital Attention away from the very lovely hard working true skaters. It hurts deep with me...I cant even look back anymore on the pain or footage. I got scared of Figure Skating for the first time in my life...Lord we need massive change NOW!!!!
I think TPC scores exist to put skaters like Jason Brown where they should reasonably be. His TES score will never get there. But when they are inflated, it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't do what it's supposed to do.
Beg to disagree. The majority believe that it should have still been Yuna who should have gotten gold in Sochi. Have you forgotten how the Italian commentators were in rage on national television when Yuna was robbed of GOLD? check this out buddy. th-cam.com/video/_1N3gol_eN8/w-d-xo.html. Moreover, most of the legends and Olympic champions like Katarina Witt, Dick Button, Robin Cousins, Bryan Boitano, Shae-lynn Bourne and Christine Brennan believed that it still Yuna who deserved the GOLD in Sochi. On top of it all, there are a lot of analyses made for the SOCHI ladies figure skating and all of them declared Yuna as the one deserving GOLD. Caro is a very good skater however her 3-3 combo in the sp was much easier than Yuna's 3lz-3t. While on her long program, she didn't have 3-3 combo. Have you seen Yuna's huge textbook 3lz-3t in the lp? Both Caro and Adelina didn't have that. Moreover, most of Caro's jumps on the second half of her fs were shaky. her 3loop was tight and her 3toe-2loop was messy and her final spin travelled a lot. Let's not forget the step sequence as well 'coz we'd clearly see who had superior ss and last but not the least, who has better glide on ice and expression? definitely Yuna...
@@veenaive7769 Kim had a major fan base (a quite loud one), but Kostner was exquisite and technically perfect on both programs during Sochi Olympics, while Kim was not.
@@piznoctsauo8141 those people weren't just mere fans. they're knowledgeable about the sports specially Dick Button, Katarina Witt, Robin Cousins and Brian Boitano because they were former competitve skaters like Yuna and Caro. so their judgements were clearly based on the books/rules of figure skating. Same with the Italian commentators who'd been commentating for figure skating for many years already. Not because Caro did not fall meant that she has perfect performances. She has a lot of shaky landings and lacked technical difficulty which Yuna's both performances had. Maybe you're referring to Yuna's 2nd 3lz in her lp as not a perfect one due to a skid in the landing but man, it was a fully rotated one . if you want to debunk my arguments, then at least back it up with evidence instead of just saying that Caro's perfect. your argument is vague and was already debunked by many so stop insisting...
Thanks for breaking it down Eric. I was an avid figure skating fan for years and truly enjoyed watching the succession of unique figure skating. Especially among the ranks of the men's field. The battle of the Brian's, Viktor Petrenko, Elvis Stojko, Todd Eldridge, Paul Wylie, Kurt Browning and the succession of Russian male Olympic champions, Alexei Yagudin who performed one of the most electrifying routines during the 2002 Olympics and Yvgeni Plushenko the following Olympic event, Yet the women's field have always attracted the most attention because of the artistic nature of the sport and sadly, the 2014 Figure skating Olympic event continued the overall biased grading inflation of judges unfairly over scoring Russian skaters over their non Russian competitors. This also occurred amongst the Canadian pairs, Jamie Sale and David Pelletier. Who were denied Olympic gold over their Russian rivals who made visible mistakes but were still awarded gold. To this day, no figure skating fan will forget how queen of the ice, Yuna Kim was unfairly stripped of gold over Adelina Sotnikova during the 2014 Olympics.
Es necesario poner los protocolos de competencias de la temporada 2013 GPF, Europeos, 4CC hasta las Olimpiadas 2014. En este video no veo esos protocolos de competencias de la ISU y del Comité Olímpico Internacional 2014. Escucho una persona dando su opinión, pero no veo un análisis. Cómo fueron los puntajes de las competencias en las que participó Sotnikova y Kim (aunque Kim, no participó en competencias internacionales esa temporada 2013). Teniendo los protocolos de las competencias, podemos ver si los puntajes de los programas, calificaciones y GOE de los saltos, secuencia de pasos, giros, etc va cambiando. El único vídeo donde he visto un análisis de los protocolos de las competencias de Sotnikova y Kim es en el canal de una TH-camr mexicana Edith González: El Mundo del Patinaje Artístico
Lo que Eric acaba de explicar en su video es más técnico que cualquier protocolo que puedas leer, y no se necesita mucho más que cámara lenta para verlo. El patinaje artístico es un deporte subjetivo donde hasta los mismos jueces han aceptado que les es difícil calificar cada elemento en tiempo real y se guían por reputación. Se pueden leer los protocolos pero me parece más interesante cuando se hace el análisis por elemento con los videos y se compara con su respectiva calificación, así se pueden apreciar las fallas de los jueces al puntuar y hasta se pueden inferir las razones cómo poder político, prestigio, súbita resistencia física, etc Hay varios sucesos dudosos en el oro de Sotnikova como el abrazo a una jueza, el descomunal incremento en los elementos del programa y la prueba antidopaje con elementos de manipulación pero lo que no está a discusión son sus fallas técnicas y por lo menos en este video están más allá de toda duda. Adelina si tuvo la rutina de su vida como patinadora, pero esa rutina no es suficiente para justificar su medalla de Oro.
Yuna won as did Kaori. I will always refer to them as the rightful gold medalists. Every Eteri girl was on something. I would not have even had Sotnikova on the podium in 2014. Mao will always be my queen but Yuna won that night by a landslide. Has anyone ever even responded to the Korean federation's complaint????? Sometimes I really hate skating.
Kaori? She is a rightful bronze medalist. But let's be honest, she only made it to the podium because Kamila failed. This is the real hard truth. And also let's be honest that girls without ultra-c elements in the quad era are not worthy to be on the podium at all
@@veenaive7769 and you think Kaori doesn’t prerotate? lol. She has the same problem with toe jumps as the eteri girls. Her flutz is a symptom of her problematic jump mechanics.
@@jamesyu5212 dude, Kaori's jumps, though some are prerotated are way pleasing to the eyes because they are huge and not muscled. unlike those claiming to have quads but with very poor jumping techniques... ewww! 😏😏😏
@@veenaive7769 if you can't see a clear 4 rotations in the air you should be blind. also, prerotation is a natural part of the jump and all skaters have it. so your statement doesn't make sense
I thought that was the greatest shame in figure skating and here I am thinking how naive my thought was. Adelina shouldn’t have won but at least she was clean (probably?). And who knew Tutberidze single-handedly ruined everything for the following decade to an even larger extent…
There's little doubt that Russian women figure skaters, including Adelina, doped for the Sochi Olympics. Besides signs of tampering on Adelina's urine sample, the doctor of Russian ladies figure skating at Sochi, a Dr. Filipp Shvetsky, was someone who'd been fired after being caught doping the Russian rowing team. He's still the doctor of Russian ladies figure skaters, including Valieva and the gold and silver medalists at Beijing.
actually, even Polina Edmunds, a former US figure skater briefly mentioned it in an interview with Dave Lease. She said that, Yuna should've won in Sochi...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the 2013-14 season, didn't an 'e' not incur a base value deduction, just a GOE deduction? I was looking at some old scoring sheets (of skaters who are not Adelina) and saw no bv deduction back then. I'm certainly not saying I agree with that!! And obviously no matter what, Yuna was the clear winner. Idk I just felt like I should bring it up? Anyway, fantastic video as always! I love hearing your perspectives.
A question I have is when skaters randomly decide to put a lutz or a flip in their short program knowing that they have an "e" or a "!" . What makes them decide to use a 3lutz or a 3flip as the solo jump? Are they given advice to do the jump regardless bc there's knowledge that the judges won't mark it as "e" ?
Lutz and Flip have the two highest base values of all the jumps (besides the axel, of course), so if you are trying to maximize your score, you're going to want to make sure the jump that you are allowed to do twice (once in combination and once as a solo jump) is one that is worth the most
lip your face! Yuna's flip is textbook. watch these to educate yourself... th-cam.com/video/7Zb8C7lnYVk/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/j2KqP_kfX_Y/w-d-xo.html even Dick Button who's a two time Olympic champion praised Yuna's textbook flip... Seee... it's already from someone who isn't just knowledgeable about figure skating but also one who did it himself.
Could the Sochi Olympics be the precursor to the practice of tying PCS increase to tech content? When is the earliest occurrence of this pattern of PCS hike for juniors debuting with high tech content? Did Lipnitksaya get that too in that season?
I believe tying PCS with tech content has been (to some extent) a practice since IJS was even created. I certainly experienced that as a domestic U.S. skater since I can remember.
@@EricStinehart oooo... that definitely raises a lot of questions with regards to the implementation of the system. When I first began following this sport, I wondered why people kept raving about Mai Mihara so it took me a while to pay attention to what skating skills were. Watching a video of Patrick Chan made it very easy for me to understand. I was blown away by the beauty of his gliding.. seems so effortless. It does feel odd though.. when skaters like Trusova get better skating skills scores than some skaters who have better speed and deeper edges. Do you think separating GOE/PCS judges would help? It must be a heavy cognitive burden on the judges to pay attention to so many aspects of components while focusing on the technical elements.
It is 2022 and Yuna was ROBBED. Period. I will never be happy until they give Yuna a gold medal and we know that will never happen. Corruption……. Yuna is still queen.😡😡😡😡😡
Adelina in 2014 two foots , full-blade Toe loop, wrong edge Lutz, level 2 junior step sequence, unclear edge step sequence, Step-out Loop, and more, she wins gold... ? She should really be ashamed. I only speak the truth. That gold medal, for so many years, she should not use this fake gold medal to make money and gain fame, this is for the poor athletes back then, not just Kim, they paid their blood and sweat and their lives, but they got ISU 's evil. There were too many problems with Adelina's scores that year. Because I'm a figure skating student! She knows best whether her own mistakes can win the championship! The 2014 referee and ISU had serious problems. Adelina shouldn't keep posting such fake articles. She is a liar, and such behavior is equally disgusting. People don't understand the rules of figure skating and shouldn't support such athletes. This act is killing other clean athletes who never get a chance. I want the ice game to be fair and clean. Many people want to cover up the truth, including some coaches in Russia who know the rules. Why act like a fool. Have a conscience❓❓ No shame~~🤥👁
but figure skating isn't just about how it made the audience feel because it's very subjective. we have our own preferences. there's the technical side of it which Flutznikova failed to deliver....
Adelina’s program was more innovative, Yuna’s was more safe. I also enjoyed Adelina’s FS more overall although Yuna’s SP will always be one of the best for me. The difference between them in the SP should not have been that small.
@@luceafarul579 More innovative in what sense? Yuna was interpreting much more difficult music in the free skate, with far fewer "smoke breaks" compared to the Saint-Saens piece Adelina skated to. It was a somber, reflective piece with hardly anything resembling a melody until the step sequence. Not something would normally expect at a large sporting event with lots of nonskating fans in the audience. A "safe" choice for Yuna would have been for her to go back to a warhorse crowdpleaser like her 2013 Worlds freeskate.
Figure skating is 50% technic, 50% artistry. I felt that Adelina vs Yuna was the same analogy with Tara vs Michelle or Evan vs Evgeni. Golds: Better programs, better music, exciting skating, more energy and sparks, etc. etc. etc. Silvers: Good programs but nothing new to see like yesterday’s news, good skating but no excitement at all, etc. etc. etc. The same reason why Jason Brown was chosen to go to the OG. And I love Jason ❤️
Another ignoramus comment. The fact is that Yuna (and Caroline Kostner) were robbed on the short program! Both of them had more technical content (more difficult triple-triple combinations), better execution of the jump, and Sotnikova's teenage skating is nowhere near Kim or Kostner as far as presentation is concerned. But the shameless judges gave her inflated scores, both for technique and components, signaling their intentions quite clearly. Sotnikova should have been well behind both Carolina Kostner and Yuna Kim, with a gap of at least 6-7 points (probably more) between her and the second place, in which case she would never have won the gold. And I don't even mention the underrotated 3T, the stumble on the 2loop and the edge issue on the 3Lz in the free program by Sotnikova.
@@sapphire22011 did u not see the video. The amount of wrong edge, under rotations should have pulled her way down the podium. This is the reason why poeple don't respect her gold and will never do so 🙄
@@shane1078 I saw the flute. Where was yuna 3S??? Plus her level 3 SS and spins that hadn't enuf rotations. She lost build a bridge and get over it!! Even in 2010 she was boring AF!!! 🙂
Sorry but Adelina is the CLEAR winner. Yuna is extremely overrated and at the 2014 Olympics she was just a weak shadow of herself. Adelina's technical content was simply superior and even with mistakes she was away ahead of Kim. Yuzuru Hanyu also won with errors and even falls. so everything is FAIR!
it's funny how adelina fans always bring up technical content as if mao didn't have a harder program than adelina. mao should've won the free and yuna should've won overall, but sadly both were underscored
anyways, yuna and mao will always be remembered as some of the best figure skaters in history, while most people won't remember adelina outside of this scandal, which is sad because she was really talented...sucks her federation ruined her reputation.
@@stanbabymetal458 with all due respect to Mao, she would not have made it to the podium in any case. she completely failed sp and lost all chances for a medal
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The reason why Sochi women scandal is still talked even now is because Sochi was simply a daylight robbery. LIke Russia did that in front of the world and thought no one would notice. I remember that a commentator said of the score Adelina received in the SP was "generous score" because it indeed was, the seed was planted since the SP. To get ahead of Carolina Kostner with easier jump layout and to get so close with Yuna was simply outrageous. Then the FP, it was simply a clown show. But you said it correctly, just by calling Adelina 3Lze + 3T< the podium would switch and ISU by rejecting that simply losing accountability. That even before talking about GOE & PCS inflation.
Also, just if Adelina is more likeable as a person fans would be easier on her. I mean bullying her is not right, but it didn't help when Adelina demonstrated a bratty attitude in the press conference in Sochi. She was self centered teenager before and unlikeable adult now. She mentioned about ED being normal in FS if you want to succeed and saying that Kaori high score in WTT 2019 was because of home advantage (like her win was literally the definition of home advantage lol).
There is no any scandal. Adelina is a rightful champion and Kim with her toxic fans are just sore losers 😏😆
@@Ore_no_nawa_Eren_Yeager sorry but it trencended all fans. Basically mao bot and yuna bot and other bots united and agreed that Adelina was a fake champion, except of course some Russian bot lol. If you cannot see it then you're a lost cause because I don't know what to convince you otherwise with so many facts already out there, you simply refused them all.
@@yohanes2034 i don't care what sore losers think :)
@@Ore_no_nawa_Eren_Yeager try harder Flutznikova fanatic. 🤣🤣🤣
@@yohanes2034 no point in responding to trolls. I just see them as lonely nerds who desire attention and any response from another person to acknowledge that they exist but the only way they can get anyone’s attention is to post something utterly ridiculous. Don’t give them the satisfaction of your response.
When one of the first people you hug after winning gold is a judge, that is a clear conflict of interest.
What you have said how on how skating skills could not just increase in a span of months just proves the fact that Adelina got 9s on her PCS with only 7s in just two months going into the olympics. Meanwhile, it took Yuna SEVEN WHOLE YEARS in her career to get her pcs from 7s to 9s. That is how skating skills improve, you can clearly see how Yuna had deep and even better edges in her 2013 and 2014 seasons.
exactly! the audacity to give that fake champion level 4 on the ss and 9s on skating skills. makes me really wanna puke...
Thank you! The last time I chatted with Koola was 2 years ago, and she said she was tired and needed to get back to her life, taking an indefinite break.
omg how is she now
I miss Koola, her videos are so funny. Hope she's back making videos (when she's ready to get back) because with what happened now in FS, she would have a field day.
Omg really! Wow, well good for her. Thank her again from all of us haha :) glad she is alive and well and not “kidnapped by ISU” or something 😂
omg hope she comes back beacuse with her sense of humour she would go viral with her videos this year and with this years dramas
She has some good videos but I I don't like how she always uses black memes. Feels uncomfortable
Her bots are also believing the fact that Adelina won because she was excited and was high energy in her performance, and aggressive in such a way that her program looks rush to me tbh. Meanwhile, they said Yuna was sad and pokerface and wasn't smiling on her free skate. Like literally, Yuna is literally skating to a tango, Adios Nonino, a farewell song, she was into her program, she was embodying it thus she deserves even 10s in her interpretation. How would they expect her to laugh and smile all throughout skating to a farewell music?
Her bots simply don't understand figure skating and how good skating skills look like. That juniorish level of skating with flat edges, hopped turns, and rush movements did not deserve anywhere in Yuna/ Kostner/ Asada level.
It sounds funny when someone thinks the only kind of good performance and presentation is smiling and dancing
Adelina was indeed "high-energy" 💉💪🩸💊
At least Adelina did get edge calls in competitions prior to the Olympics. For Medvedeva, they decided to never call her flutz right from the beginning of her career so to make it less suspicious when it wasn't called either at the Olympics. Sure, honey. Nobody noticed a thing. The corruption was completely inconspicuous.
It's not only Medvedeva, literally no Eteri girls get their edges called out except for Trusova after she went to Plushenko
They did call Zagitova and Trusova during European championships but yeah it got uproar from Russia as if they're doing textbook jumps and shouldn't be called. The judges are just afraid.
please compare yuna's and adelina's short program. i remember yuna got 0 for GOE on a jump. utter bs. they underscored her short program that was such a crime.
That was a total scandal - Yu Na's Send in the Clowns SP was a work technique and art combined!
This was where I lost my innocence. Suddenly I realised figure skating judging can be corrupted at the highest levels. However, 8 years on, there are still a lot of classic performances to cherish from Mao's LP and Kostner's SP. Little did we know then they were all performing in the lion's den of Russia. It's not a surprise now, but I think we had a very different view of Russia then. @Eric Stinehart Just putting a request in for a similar analysis between Oksana Baiul and Nancy Kerrigan in Lillehammer 1994? Who should have rightly won in today's system?
Queen Yuna and Carolina Kostner knew going into this competition that the Russian girls would be at the top. They were in Sochi Russia. Lipnitskaya (Eteri was her coach) was slated to win but she fell apart in the competition and Russia made Sotnikova a champion.
Champion is not the word I would use to describe Sotnikova. She can say she has a formal title and some delusional Russians might believe it but the fact is her title and medal are tainted and in the rest of the world she is only known as the girl who stole Yuna's medal. It was not her doing but she has never acknowledged the questionable judging and her poor technique. She is sort of a symbol for Sochi corruption and her sample was actually tampered with in the lab. I just hate the ISU and IOC for not doing anything about it. Yuna is way too classy but someone should be suing the ISU and IOC on her behalf
Even the Italian commentators said that when Adelina's scores were revealed. They mentioned something along the lines of " they wanted to make Lipnitskaya the winner but because it didn't work out for her they did it for Sotnikova instead".
I also found it very odd that Adelina's short program had VERY inflated GOEs, but the judges probably did that to close the gap between her and Yuna so that it would be easier for them to allow her to win in the free skate.
@@sarahcorbo3659 Indeed, such blatant cheating. Someone really needs to push a lawsuit, as it would totally deter Russia and the ISU from colluding and there should be a criminal investigation.
I kinda feel like with Lipnitskaya's huge error in the SP, they decided to help inflate Sotnikova's scores. Had Lipnitskaya performed well in that SP, I feel like they'd give Sotnikova a fairer score, but who knows? I do think her SP program was really overscored and same for PCS in the FS. I don't think Adelina should have won, but maybe this was Russia making a statement or getting revenge on 2010, where they definitely felt Plushenko should have won over Lysacek. To me, that's maybe where it started and then with the 2014 Olympics, they wanted to find a way to make it all about Russia and in addition help Plushenko get another gold or maybe two; so.... let's add a team event...but that's my guess. I feel like it shoulda been Yuna Gold, Kostner SIlver and Bronze up for debate
Mao for bronze
@@joshua_jgt3221 I still can't believe with all her content that she'd score less than the other 2 ladies. I could have seen her at least win the FS portion of the event, if this were judged fairly, but we know she didn't get the Russian Inflation bonus.
You should have started with the sp because it was where that "undeserving champion" was blatantly over scored. How could an under rotated 3t-3t even came close to a textbook 3lz-3t? Also, how come that fake champion got level 4 on her ss? If judged fairly, Yuna should have had at least 6-7 points higher than that entitled champion on the sp... The rigging was on from the get go... 😏😏😏
The same thing happened with the recent Olympics. Scherbakova who has the worst jumping technique won
You and Dave Lease always post when I have a tonne of work to do and my procrastination always wins out lol
the reason adelina gets hated on is because she thinks she deserves the gold... didn't even try to be humble or anything, she simply said, "I deserve to win because I had a more difficult program than Yuna"...
Shitnikova is hated cause she is an awful human being in every facet of her life…
What did u want her to say?
I didnt deserve to win, yuna was the real winner, the judges helped me to gold. Lmao puhlease she would be killed by the communist party
You’re becoming a terrific resource, and it’s so helpful that you have the relevant experience you do! Keeep up the great work Eric!
Nothing against Adelina and whoever is hating on her just stop. Other than that, this is why people are calling it a robbery. In a sport like figure skating where the scores are in part subjective, there will always be mistakes or questionable decisions. But that is not what happened here. As Eric goes into, Adelina has made multiple mistakes and it pretty much only took 1 for her to not get the gold medal.
Then you have the PCS score, where somehow she got essentially the same score as Yuna, despite it being absolutely clear that their skating skills/artistry etc. are not comparable. If there was one questionable call, then sure you can't fault the judges, but all the stars literally had to align for Adelina to win.
Add the fact that multiple Russian athletes were caught cheating supported by the backing of the Russian staff and it is very hard to believe this wasn't in some way fixed. If Yuna was from the US or Canada we might have gotten an actual investigation and resolution... The worst part for me is that it seems pretty clear Russia took this as a green light to cheat in the future and everything around the Tutberidze girls seems to be pointing in that exact direction.
no offense but adelina is blatantly pro war and has organized rallies for putin... she's not likeable even without the sochi scandal
@@wndlrms1420 Yeah mate was had nothing to do with my comment.
This is probably the biggest non-personal grudge I'll hold forever.
Yuna should have won and there is no argument ( Unless people u have Rot brain trying to fight with facts that YUNA is the winner
Could you PLEASE make a video about the judging of the MALE SINGLES in the Olympics 2014??Especially around the controversy regarding the judging of Denis Ten vs Javier Fernandez. I feel like Yuzuru´s deserved gold kept people from talking about how suspicious the judging on many other athletes was, but I really want an expert opinion.
Women's skating died in 2014. Adelina pre-rotated her flip and lutz by 1/2 rotation along with under-rotated the 3toe by 1/2 rotation. It's very clear who the better technician and artist is. Russia took control of the ISU in 2014.
It's really just so beyond pathetic how they have to use little girls and dope them up and use them as symbols of Russiannationalism. Like can you get any more pathetic?
Even her toe loop jumps are full blade assist too.
Can you make a video about recent Olympics please and who should have won according to you? There are a lot of videos about that but you know the stuff so Im curious to hear about that.
I’ve made a bunch of videos about recent Olympics please go watch on my channel! Including 2 long discussion videos on men’s and women’s events :)
Adelina told on herself and the team in the moment she ran to hug the Russian judge. 😒🙄
regarding the judgement scandle, in my opinion it should count in 2019 WC & 19 GFP men's skating. Yuzuru performed his LP-Origin perfectly, which brought the blooming comments from commentators all over the world for his remarkable achivements. However, his LP scores, we only refer to tes, are terrible against with his accomplishment; especially, the 5 quad-jumps in 2019 GPF cannot hit 100 tes. Seems there's none of normal GOE issued to Yuzuru since from 2019. Even not to mention PCS, we can only see jumpers in current figure skating expect Yuzuru. Wondering your analysis and clarification if you're interested. appreciate your time on it. Thanks a lot in advance.
This is an old wound you open but rightfully so....the ISU Russian favoring Mafia with Judges, just Sick and its destroying our Sport. I'm glad what took place in the 2022 winter Olympics happened it was a tragedy for Figure Skating, it hurt far more than Yuna Kims lost because it effected All of the Skaters to this day. It took Vital Attention away from the very lovely hard working true skaters. It hurts deep with me...I cant even look back anymore on the pain or footage. I got scared of Figure Skating for the first time in my life...Lord we need massive change NOW!!!!
I think TPC scores exist to put skaters like Jason Brown where they should reasonably be. His TES score will never get there. But when they are inflated, it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't do what it's supposed to do.
Adelina vs. Yuna? What about Carolina? I think she should have won the gold of Sochi.
Beg to disagree. The majority believe that it should have still been Yuna who should have gotten gold in Sochi. Have you forgotten how the Italian commentators were in rage on national television when Yuna was robbed of GOLD? check this out buddy. th-cam.com/video/_1N3gol_eN8/w-d-xo.html.
Moreover, most of the legends and Olympic champions like Katarina Witt, Dick Button, Robin Cousins, Bryan Boitano, Shae-lynn Bourne and Christine Brennan believed that it still Yuna who deserved the GOLD in Sochi. On top of it all, there are a lot of analyses made for the SOCHI ladies figure skating and all of them declared Yuna as the one deserving GOLD. Caro is a very good skater however her 3-3 combo in the sp was much easier than Yuna's 3lz-3t. While on her long program, she didn't have 3-3 combo. Have you seen Yuna's huge textbook 3lz-3t in the lp? Both Caro and Adelina didn't have that. Moreover, most of Caro's jumps on the second half of her fs were shaky. her 3loop was tight and her 3toe-2loop was messy and her final spin travelled a lot. Let's not forget the step sequence as well 'coz we'd clearly see who had superior ss and last but not the least, who has better glide on ice and expression? definitely Yuna...
@@veenaive7769 Kim had a major fan base (a quite loud one), but Kostner was exquisite and technically perfect on both programs during Sochi Olympics, while Kim was not.
@@piznoctsauo8141 those people weren't just mere fans. they're knowledgeable about the sports specially Dick Button, Katarina Witt, Robin Cousins and Brian Boitano because they were former competitve skaters like Yuna and Caro. so their judgements were clearly based on the books/rules of figure skating. Same with the Italian commentators who'd been commentating for figure skating for many years already. Not because Caro did not fall meant that she has perfect performances. She has a lot of shaky landings and lacked technical difficulty which Yuna's both performances had. Maybe you're referring to Yuna's 2nd 3lz in her lp as not a perfect one due to a skid in the landing but man, it was a fully rotated one . if you want to debunk my arguments, then at least back it up with evidence instead of just saying that Caro's perfect. your argument is vague and was already debunked by many so stop insisting...
TBF the big battle should've been with Carolina and Yuna but they just inserted Adelina out of nowhere with inflated scores.😅
Thanks for breaking it down Eric. I was an avid figure skating fan for years and truly enjoyed watching the succession of unique figure skating. Especially among the ranks of the men's field. The battle of the Brian's, Viktor Petrenko, Elvis Stojko, Todd Eldridge, Paul Wylie, Kurt Browning and the succession of Russian male Olympic champions, Alexei Yagudin who performed one of the most electrifying routines during the 2002 Olympics and Yvgeni Plushenko the following Olympic event,
Yet the women's field have always attracted the most attention because of the artistic nature of the sport and sadly, the 2014 Figure skating Olympic event continued the overall biased grading inflation of judges unfairly over scoring Russian skaters over their non Russian competitors. This also occurred amongst the Canadian pairs, Jamie Sale and David Pelletier. Who were denied Olympic gold over their Russian rivals who made visible mistakes but were still awarded gold.
To this day, no figure skating fan will forget how queen of the ice, Yuna Kim was unfairly stripped of gold over Adelina Sotnikova during the 2014 Olympics.
Es necesario poner los protocolos de competencias de la temporada 2013 GPF, Europeos, 4CC hasta las Olimpiadas 2014.
En este video no veo esos protocolos de competencias de la ISU y del Comité Olímpico Internacional 2014.
Escucho una persona dando su opinión, pero no veo un análisis.
Cómo fueron los puntajes de las competencias en las que participó Sotnikova y Kim (aunque Kim, no participó en competencias internacionales esa temporada 2013).
Teniendo los protocolos de las competencias, podemos ver si los puntajes de los programas, calificaciones y GOE de los saltos, secuencia de pasos, giros, etc va cambiando.
El único vídeo donde he visto un análisis de los protocolos de las competencias de Sotnikova y Kim es en el canal de una TH-camr mexicana Edith González:
El Mundo del Patinaje Artístico
Lo que Eric acaba de explicar en su video es más técnico que cualquier protocolo que puedas leer, y no se necesita mucho más que cámara lenta para verlo. El patinaje artístico es un deporte subjetivo donde hasta los mismos jueces han aceptado que les es difícil calificar cada elemento en tiempo real y se guían por reputación. Se pueden leer los protocolos pero me parece más interesante cuando se hace el análisis por elemento con los videos y se compara con su respectiva calificación, así se pueden apreciar las fallas de los jueces al puntuar y hasta se pueden inferir las razones cómo poder político, prestigio, súbita resistencia física, etc Hay varios sucesos dudosos en el oro de Sotnikova como el abrazo a una jueza, el descomunal incremento en los elementos del programa y la prueba antidopaje con elementos de manipulación pero lo que no está a discusión son sus fallas técnicas y por lo menos en este video están más allá de toda duda. Adelina si tuvo la rutina de su vida como patinadora, pero esa rutina no es suficiente para justificar su medalla de Oro.
Yuna won as did Kaori. I will always refer to them as the rightful gold medalists. Every Eteri girl was on something. I would not have even had Sotnikova on the podium in 2014. Mao will always be my queen but Yuna won that night by a landslide. Has anyone ever even responded to the Korean federation's complaint????? Sometimes I really hate skating.
Kaori? She is a rightful bronze medalist. But let's be honest, she only made it to the podium because Kamila failed. This is the real hard truth. And also let's be honest that girls without ultra-c elements in the quad era are not worthy to be on the podium at all
@@Ore_no_nawa_Eren_Yeager quad era? omg! they are not even quads girl. they're too way prerotated jumps! what quads are you talking about? 😂😂😂
@@veenaive7769 and you think Kaori doesn’t prerotate? lol. She has the same problem with toe jumps as the eteri girls. Her flutz is a symptom of her problematic jump mechanics.
@@jamesyu5212 dude, Kaori's jumps, though some are prerotated are way pleasing to the eyes because they are huge and not muscled. unlike those claiming to have quads but with very poor jumping techniques... ewww! 😏😏😏
@@veenaive7769 if you can't see a clear 4 rotations in the air you should be blind. also, prerotation is a natural part of the jump and all skaters have it. so your statement doesn't make sense
reading the title of this video made me briefly fear i was about to watch a man swing a bat at a hornet's nest
I thought that was the greatest shame in figure skating and here I am thinking how naive my thought was. Adelina shouldn’t have won but at least she was clean (probably?). And who knew Tutberidze single-handedly ruined everything for the following decade to an even larger extent…
I'm doubtful about it. Her test came out negative but it was discovered that the samples had signs of tampering...
@@veenaive7769 Exactly. She almost definitely did not compete clean, either. The whole thing is just a sham of a sham.
There's little doubt that Russian women figure skaters, including Adelina, doped for the Sochi Olympics. Besides signs of tampering on Adelina's urine sample, the doctor of Russian ladies figure skating at Sochi, a Dr. Filipp Shvetsky, was someone who'd been fired after being caught doping the Russian rowing team. He's still the doctor of Russian ladies figure skaters, including Valieva and the gold and silver medalists at Beijing.
Adelina is probably the most hated (fake) Olympic champion in recent memory.
Evan Lysacek too. Both were forgotten in a blink of an eye.
@@turtlefeesh At least, Evan didn't cheat - remember the tainted doping sample of Adelina?
Thank you for this! I always wondered what would a former FS competitor's thoughts would be about this issue.
actually, even Polina Edmunds, a former US figure skater briefly mentioned it in an interview with Dave Lease. She said that, Yuna should've won in Sochi...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the 2013-14 season, didn't an 'e' not incur a base value deduction, just a GOE deduction? I was looking at some old scoring sheets (of skaters who are not Adelina) and saw no bv deduction back then. I'm certainly not saying I agree with that!! And obviously no matter what, Yuna was the clear winner. Idk I just felt like I should bring it up?
Anyway, fantastic video as always! I love hearing your perspectives.
Nice analysis - and nice haircut!
KIM YUNA 2014 OLYMPIC CHAMPION
ADELINA forgotten girl
A question I have is when skaters randomly decide to put a lutz or a flip in their short program knowing that they have an "e" or a "!" . What makes them decide to use a 3lutz or a 3flip as the solo jump? Are they given advice to do the jump regardless bc there's knowledge that the judges won't mark it as "e" ?
Lutz and Flip have the two highest base values of all the jumps (besides the axel, of course), so if you are trying to maximize your score, you're going to want to make sure the jump that you are allowed to do twice (once in combination and once as a solo jump) is one that is worth the most
Hoping to make a documentary about this 2014 Olympic Games figure skating scandal.
How do you feel Yuna ‘a lip ? Why not compare Adelina ‘s flip and Yuna ‘s lip ?
lip your face! Yuna's flip is textbook. watch these to educate yourself... th-cam.com/video/7Zb8C7lnYVk/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/j2KqP_kfX_Y/w-d-xo.html
even Dick Button who's a two time Olympic champion praised Yuna's textbook flip... Seee... it's already from someone who isn't just knowledgeable about figure skating but also one who did it himself.
I wish i hadn’t seen this because now I’m really mad
Could the Sochi Olympics be the precursor to the practice of tying PCS increase to tech content? When is the earliest occurrence of this pattern of PCS hike for juniors debuting with high tech content? Did Lipnitksaya get that too in that season?
I believe tying PCS with tech content has been (to some extent) a practice since IJS was even created. I certainly experienced that as a domestic U.S. skater since I can remember.
@@EricStinehart oooo... that definitely raises a lot of questions with regards to the implementation of the system. When I first began following this sport, I wondered why people kept raving about Mai Mihara so it took me a while to pay attention to what skating skills were. Watching a video of Patrick Chan made it very easy for me to understand. I was blown away by the beauty of his gliding.. seems so effortless.
It does feel odd though.. when skaters like Trusova get better skating skills scores than some skaters who have better speed and deeper edges. Do you think separating GOE/PCS judges would help? It must be a heavy cognitive burden on the judges to pay attention to so many aspects of components while focusing on the technical elements.
Can you do an analysis on zhenya vs Alina at the Olympics?
It is 2022 and Yuna was ROBBED. Period. I will never be happy until they give Yuna a gold medal and we know that will never happen. Corruption……. Yuna is still queen.😡😡😡😡😡
We all know what happened, we all know
I mISS KOOLA WHERE ARE THEY 😭really introduced me to how scoring works😭
Why are people still debating something from 8 years ago?
Why are you in the comment section of the video debating an issue that happened 8 years ago?
Then, why do we learn history? Some of them are like thousands of years ago.
Cos its a daylights robbery that deserves to be talkex about
I m sure there are things from 8 years ago or more that are still of interest to you.
Adelina in 2014 two foots , full-blade Toe loop, wrong edge Lutz, level 2 junior step sequence, unclear edge step sequence, Step-out Loop, and more, she wins gold... ? She should really be ashamed. I only speak the truth. That gold medal, for so many years, she should not use this fake gold medal to make money and gain fame, this is for the poor athletes back then, not just Kim, they paid their blood and sweat and their lives, but they got ISU 's evil. There were too many problems with Adelina's scores that year. Because I'm a figure skating student! She knows best whether her own mistakes can win the championship! The 2014 referee and ISU had serious problems. Adelina shouldn't keep posting such fake articles. She is a liar, and such behavior is equally disgusting. People don't understand the rules of figure skating and shouldn't support such athletes. This act is killing other clean athletes who never get a chance. I want the ice game to be fair and clean. Many people want to cover up the truth, including some coaches in Russia who know the rules. Why act like a fool. Have a conscience❓❓
No shame~~🤥👁
Adelina's toe loop looks like an axel in slow-motion.
You are right; they were always axel-toes.
Worst judged Olympics I have ever seen... Even worse than Salt Lake
Queen Yu-Na vs Flutzdelina
Adelina's jumps were not big compared to Yuna's. . . . people need to stop spreading this falsity
Yeah, the heights, the edges, the pre-rotations of Adelina's jumps... disgusting.
@@listencarefully8849 It really is disgusting the way Johnny Weir and Tara Lipiniski first started this false assessment
I miss Koola too :(
Overall I enjoyed Adelina's performance more than Yuna's. Her leaving Brian caused a loss of flair in her programs.
Seems like you don't have a taste for artistry and true athleticism. That's OK. That's you.
Thats subjective we are talking abt the edges the take off the goe. Adelina score is bullshit
but figure skating isn't just about how it made the audience feel because it's very subjective. we have our own preferences. there's the technical side of it which Flutznikova failed to deliver....
Adelina’s program was more innovative, Yuna’s was more safe. I also enjoyed Adelina’s FS more overall although Yuna’s SP will always be one of the best for me. The difference between them in the SP should not have been that small.
@@luceafarul579 More innovative in what sense? Yuna was interpreting much more difficult music in the free skate, with far fewer "smoke breaks" compared to the Saint-Saens piece Adelina skated to. It was a somber, reflective piece with hardly anything resembling a melody until the step sequence. Not something would normally expect at a large sporting event with lots of nonskating fans in the audience. A "safe" choice for Yuna would have been for her to go back to a warhorse crowdpleaser like her 2013 Worlds freeskate.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Figure skating is 50% technic, 50% artistry. I felt that Adelina vs Yuna was the same analogy with Tara vs Michelle or Evan vs Evgeni. Golds: Better programs, better music, exciting skating, more energy and sparks, etc. etc. etc. Silvers: Good programs but nothing new to see like yesterday’s news, good skating but no excitement at all, etc. etc. etc. The same reason why Jason Brown was chosen to go to the OG. And I love Jason ❤️
Another ignoramus comment. The fact is that Yuna (and Caroline Kostner) were robbed on the short program! Both of them had more technical content (more difficult triple-triple combinations), better execution of the jump, and Sotnikova's teenage skating is nowhere near Kim or Kostner as far as presentation is concerned. But the shameless judges gave her inflated scores, both for technique and components, signaling their intentions quite clearly. Sotnikova should have been well behind both Carolina Kostner and Yuna Kim, with a gap of at least 6-7 points (probably more) between her and the second place, in which case she would never have won the gold. And I don't even mention the underrotated 3T, the stumble on the 2loop and the edge issue on the 3Lz in the free program by Sotnikova.
Flopnikova
Adelina deserved her win and people were over boring Yu Na. Get over it
Says only you. Be the idiot and live with it.
Yuna should have won.
@@jerichogamara9339 well she DIDNT 😂😂😂😂
@@sapphire22011 did u not see the video. The amount of wrong edge, under rotations should have pulled her way down the podium. This is the reason why poeple don't respect her gold and will never do so 🙄
@@shane1078 I saw the flute. Where was yuna 3S??? Plus her level 3 SS and spins that hadn't enuf rotations. She lost build a bridge and get over it!! Even in 2010 she was boring AF!!! 🙂
Sorry but Adelina is the CLEAR winner. Yuna is extremely overrated and at the 2014 Olympics she was just a weak shadow of herself. Adelina's technical content was simply superior and even with mistakes she was away ahead of Kim. Yuzuru Hanyu also won with errors and even falls. so everything is FAIR!
You're funny lol... keep it up🤣
She needs some milk... 🤣🤣🤣
it's funny how adelina fans always bring up technical content as if mao didn't have a harder program than adelina.
mao should've won the free and yuna should've won overall, but sadly both were underscored
anyways, yuna and mao will always be remembered as some of the best figure skaters in history, while most people won't remember adelina outside of this scandal, which is sad because she was really talented...sucks her federation ruined her reputation.
@@stanbabymetal458 with all due respect to Mao, she would not have made it to the podium in any case. she completely failed sp and lost all chances for a medal