A grill plate as base for a 3D printer?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ย. 2023
- In this video I show how I use an 1800W grill plate as a bed heater for a 3D printer. I think this makes sense because they're cheap, widely available and come in different sizes. Another advantage for me is the long shape which I'm going to utilize by letting it print like a belt printer and adding more gantries which will enable some interesting possibilities!
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Did he make a 3D printer from this yet? Nope.
Did he make the world's most precise and over engineered grill plate? HELL YEAH 🔥 🤘
Yes he actually did that
It sure is more precise then the standard way of using it. Maybe a lot of us can have one finished before the holidays 😂
And then there's me that couldn't ass myself with getting bed PID tuned so just screw it and let it go in bang-bang mode and call it a day.
@@Kalvinjj if this helps in any way: Once i PID tuned my ender via octoprint, the temps were unstable as hell. Went back to bang-bang and its just fine. Dont bother with PID.
I love that at the end of this intricate and detailed project video… you turned a countertop grill into a countertop grill. But now with Ethernet and PID tuning!
It was definitely an improvement haha😆
😂
Can we now discuss the amazing benefits of being able to run a print on one side of the bed while simultaneously grilling a sandwich on the other side? This takes 3d printing to an entirely new level.
🤣 THIS
soon we will see "benchy and grilled cheese speed runs", and it will be magical.
Nicee! Thats the coolest.. no sorry, i meant Hottest build plate i have seen!🎉🎉 looking forward to seeing where this goes!
Now you have to print an induction grill with your new edm printer.
Looks like we got a bed for the infini Z
Nederlands
@@valentijnbakker2166dus?
"What are you sinking about?" Best clip of all time 🤔
Ok I don't do this often but I need more videos lol. Found you last year and have watched all of your stuff.
I'm almost finished with the upcoming video and it is my biggest project so far in a single video. Thanks for watching everything!
This would work well for melting down prints into sheets of plastic to be used as a raw material for other things. Teaching Tech did a video on it, but used a t-shirt ironing press meant for vinyl shirt graphics. I can't wait to see where you are going with this.
Definitely consider the possibility down the line of a pancake batter extruder
The German coastguard meme got me!!! 😂 a real classic!
Best wishes from Germany 🙂
I heard a dutch accent at Formnext this year which I remembered from somewhere. 😅 Saw you talking to the guys at the Slice booth. You were busy planning new stuff so I didn’t want to disturb you. Awesome and refreshing video as always!
I love a new "Moving portal" related project! Actually had a similar idea to the multiple portals one showed here. Only, my idea would have just 2 large "portals", each being an individual 3d printer with its own mainboard, but working on a single large(long) build plate. Essentially making it one giant IDEX. So far it's just an idea, but I'm really curious on how your concept develops since I think it has great potential, and will definitely be interesting to look at!
Wow that twist at the end! Top Tier 👍
OMG, this was too much enjoyable for one video... It was over before I knew it.
Dude THIS IS TOO AWESOME. What a genius idea i cant wait to see what you do with it!
Love it! I always get inspiration from your videos for my own projects, you have a very unique way of thinking and I'm excited to see where you take this!
Another very different and interesting Proper Printing project has begun! Looking forward to watching this series of videos.
I don't know how you come up with some of the ideas you do but they are awesome and amazing content to watch.
Thanks!
Thank you for going there, that commercial was one of the funniest back then!
This is perfect, I wanted to mod my simple stand-alone oven for baking bread because the temperature knob is nightmare. Had a concept in my head, thanks for confimring that concept!
Oh my gosh. Didnt loughed so hard for a long time mate. Nice that you sinking about making a grillplate to a heated bed. 😂 Wish you a good time with youre new project. Youre german coast guard.
I loved that! Awesome editing and you're super talented! Thanks for the entertainment.
Bro; perfect. I'm really looking forward to part 2!
What a clever concept! Great way to adapt an everyday device into a useful tool.
Best grill experience I've ever had! Thanks for the meal! 😜
Thanks man, it was awesome and I'm glad you were there!
I'm so ready to see the next parts of this project!
This is awesome! Looking forward to this project!
Great to see you and Max together. Missed seeing you both this year. You two should collaborate on a crazy project
I figure a solution is to crimp the thermocouple in a ring terminal, and use the mica sheet and insulating washers for a TO-220 transistor isolating kit to decouple the washer, the mica is used because it conducts heat quickly, and survives high temperatures.
My first time seeing your content. The work you pit into the special effects alone made me sub
I’ve been waiting for this video since your post on the subreddit lol. Great video!
I so love this guys stuff.... hilarious and informative... kudos guy.. I hope you're well.
Amazing, very impressed with the 'portal' design.
Hell yea, those threaded inserts are so good! When I changed my garage door opener, I drilled holes in the thin steel plate on the door (it had a plate for bolting the motor onto), but I it was so thin there wouldnt be enough material for proper thread. Put a few of those inserts in, now it is rock solid, with plenty of thread for each bolt.
Loved the ending. Okay, I loved the whole video. Such exciting ideas with so much potential for printing those proper shoes. I can’t wait to see what's coming next!
Thank you Courtney!
The more videos this guy makes, the more it feels like I'm watching the Tony Stark of 3D printing vlog his experiments. And I love it.
9:37 - when you expect sparks but don't get any, and that's the GOOD outcome xD
As an Irish born Australian, it made me laugh when you took the piss out of yourself.😂😂😂
🇦🇺🤜🏼🤛🏼😎🍀😂
Just as long as we are laughing, we can effect the world.😂😂😂😊
Awesome video :D Looking forward to the next one. Btw. nice throw back to this old advertisement (still one of my favorites) xD
Awesome project, awesome edits.
The fact that you converted the grill in to a heatbed and then grilled on it is actually pretty funny 😂
I'm stoked to see this new kind of project
Nice work!!
Hello this is the German Coast guard 😂😂😂😂 U broke me with that one man 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I am happy seeing this experiments
Needed to come with a warning! I'm hungry now. :)
You can also use thermal conductive silicone paste or tape. It is safe and lasts a very long time.
man I love watching you do your thing. you are living the dream making what ever you want and somehow making a living while doing it. it gives me motivation to keep making things.
Thanks Ethan, I really appreciate that! Never stop making!
Sometimes I think about how you come up with these ideas... But then I just enjoy the video... 😅🎉🎉🎉
Another nice project, I always wonder how you come up with these ideas but I love them. It was very cool to meet you at Formnext.
I came for the printing, stayed for the grilling!
Nice job homi
That's 1 way to do it! Btw it was nice meeting you
I really liked the song "it's not stupid if it works" now it's on my liked :).
I sang it myself!😁
*PROPER SHOES* = YES ... Jon you had me hooked.... then
"Damn' ... you could at least have barbecued _de Proper Schoenzolen_ "
I need you next *Vid* - 😱
I use 240VAC 1500W silicon heater atteched to 5mm aluminium sheet. Locks on to temp quick and stays rock solid on temp
The bearded professor strikes again. I can't wait to see where this goes. Keep up the awesome inspirational work 👏
There are different Types of Temperature Sensor Configurations available.
You can get them with a Metal Shell like the one that fits well but without a Galvanic Connection to it.
This is perfect for after the trade-show disassembly. I see a 3d printer cook-off competitions in future! Grilling vs sous-vide!
I saw your post on Reddit a few days ago!!
You could also print some template to use as a drill guide reference, that's what I usually do instead of lasering the drill positions
Oh god its real! I seen your post on reddit!
What a hoot of an idea. Best line ever, “realized my grill plate doesn’t have Wi-Fi”. What a hilarious comment. 😅
Also, looks like a non metallic insulator such as Ceramic Thermocouple Insulators. Would do you well for your temp probes! DUDE, this is awesome work, I still haven't got to the END!!!
Hello there. I have an idea about why the thermocouple didn't work.
It might be that when you grounded your heat plate you have inadvertently have grounded the sensor. That is to say, invert the connections on the sensor.
I am not to sure how you have done your connections but my gut instinct points me at that being the cause.
you could try galvanic separation for problem with temperature sensor touching.
look amazing !
Since you're putting a piece of glass on it, would it make sense to put a sheet or copper or aluminum between the plate and the glass to even out the hot spots? I'd imagine the thicker the metal the more even the heat but longer time to warm up
I've had quiet a few grill plates in my time. I've never had one that stayed flat when you heated it, and never had one that heated evenly. Cook pancakes on them and let them sit to see if they burn evenly...
Weird. I like it. Mahalo for sharing! 🙂🙏❤️
I appreciate how meticulous the crimping and riveting were.
When you showed the print from the thumbnail last Wednesday at the meetup, it really surprised me how transparent the molten part had become.
So I wonder if you may be on to something with this way of melting filament.
A trick for attaching wires with cable ties is to feed the ties through the mounting holes twice(1 loop). This enables the ties to hold the wires more firmly over a greater clamping area and wastes less tie length. This is because less tie is pulled through for more minute control.
Your video is a treat as always. Multiple portals is a great idea, maybe even IDEX portals? It was great meeting you at Formnext, the washing machine you ordered with your signature will be delivered soon (tm) ;)
That flex in your drill press hurt though.
That drill press is junk 😅 I 3D printed the base because the original base wasn't perpendicular. I'm looking forward to it!
again instant like because the next 15 minutes going to be amazing 😊
You are definitely going to hit the next big thing soon.
Hey Jon, hope you're doing well, looking forward to your next video, all the best! 🍀
Hi Jens, I'm doing great thanks! I hope you do too. The printer I'm building is starting to come together and I'm also working on several other projects!
@@properprintingAhhh that's great to hear! So a bunch of nice things to come eh? Love it. Here it's going well too. You were right, I did pass the 100 subs that month. At 250 now 🎉 looking forward to seeing you again at Maakplek and your new work 😊
What is the main plate made out of? I think that it'd be better to drill and tap holes into it if it's metal and thread in M3 threaded thermistors (same ones are some printers use), they are HT enough
Hold it, hold it. So you bend the aluminum sheet, along a scribe line, to "cut" it. But you have a bandsaw behind you, in your shop, that could provide an easier more accurate cut?
That's genius!! 😉
Nice, I like it 😊
I didn’t realize that was your post on Reddit!!!
I think the red high temp silicone rtv would have worked great to mount that thermistor.
Nice video! 😃
Thanks Jens!
super toffe video weer.
RTV instead of JB weld? Can do the same with the glass plate to transfer heat better. Maybe put some copper powder in it for even better heat transfer.
So when are you making the meat extruder?
The jigsaw, with a fune-toothed blade can cut aluminum without any problems, it's just really noisy
This is amazing work, what route did you take to get the CAD for the griddle?
Thanks! A combination of measuring and eyeballing is the route I took.
Ive been thinking about doing this but converting a server rack in to a bed slinger. Doing it now!
I've considered 19" racks too and I think that this is a great idea! Especially when you make the printer with the flanges, so you can place it in any standard rack just like the regular equipment. Awesome that you're actually doing it, good luck!
Thankyou sir, thats actually a pretty cool idea as well. mine was going to be hard baked in but, making it modular could ad some needless complexity which i tend to gravitate towards. Or transforming the printer from a horizontal bed movement to a vertical bed movement (Ender 5 style) to facilitate dual opposing hotend setup for simultaneous mirror image printing.. Tuning might be enough to drive you insane though. @@properprinting
Sweet!
The moment that I realiseerde dat... jij ook gewoon Nederlands bent. :-) bedankt voor deze grappige en leerzame 15 minuten!
Here we come PEEK and ULTEM!
The moment, when your 3d prints smell delicious 🤣
I saw you at formnext and I saw you with integsa and I think I didn’t get across that I’m a huge fan so I am saying it here
A awesome way to waste a heap of time, money and bits! EPIC
I'd be worried if that SSR ever fails short-circuit. I wonder how hot it would get... Does the plate feature an internal over-temp cutout?
A thermal fuse is also absolutely required.
Hey Proper, ive been working on an idea that allows 3D prints to be recycled into "glue stick" style piece of stock, then printed using a custom hotend. The reason I think this is important is because it would allow easy recycling at home, using molds and ovens (or grills like these!) Ideally the mold would have integrated gear teeth to mesh with the extruder assembly (and would be around 1x1x"x" cm), to increase torque. Im not very knowledgeable on heat transfer through materials, and I have no machining skills :(( maybe this is a project that interests you? Thanks for reading!!!
There's a reason you don't see anyone selling filament as thick as glue sticks... 🤦♂
@@DrakeOola why? Thermal conductivity would be tough, but with enough torque and heating tool surface area you don’t think it would work?
I’m really trying to make this happen, why do you think it’s not worth pursuing?
@@0hellow797 It's not that it wouldn't work at all, it's that it would just work worse in every way compared to filament. You'd need a lot of heat and an extremely precise and extremely powerful extruder.
You'd need a lot of heat because you're trying to melt, from the sides in towards the center, a stick of plastic with a cross-sectional area over 30x that of a 1.75mm filament. Since you can't just turn up the heater temperature to increase the heating rate (the plastic on the outside would burn), you'd just have to wait for a long time before printing to let a suitable amount of plastic melt. Similarly, it would take a long time for the hotend to cool down, leading to lots of oozing out the nozzle once the print is finished.
It'd have to be extremely precise because you're going from a 10mm diameter stick to a 0.4mm diameter nozzle, about a 630x reduction. Meaning, in order to print a line that 1mm long, you'd need to move the extruder a distance of 0.0016mm or 1.6 microns. Considering that 3d printers make many moves shorter than 1mm, you'd have to be able to control the extruder's movement on the scale of tenths of a micron, which is a lot to ask of a hobby grade machine.
Finally, the extruder would have to be very strong because, again, it's pushing a stick of plastic through a 630x reduction hole. Consider that a normal extruder can usually generate several kgs of force (I know it's not technically force but too bad) with a 1.75mm filament. Grabbing a number from the middle range, say 4kg, that's a pressure of about 40bar at the tip of the nozzle. To get that same 40bar pressure with a 10mm diameter stick, the extruder would have to push with about 130kg, which is both hard to do and would require a very beefy hotend assembly to not break apart.
Overall, it would be very difficult to make and just wouldn't have any advantages over filament. It's a cool idea and absolutely don't let my speech deter you from trying out your ideas, often the greatest inventions come from wild ideas. If you're really interested in making filament recycling more accessible, I would say your time is better spent trying to improve the methods of creating filament at home. Cheaper and more reliable machines for shredding and extruding filament would help tremendously in making recycling more suitable to hobbyists.
@@jblack3761 you have no idea how much this amount of info will help, I’ve really had no where to start…
@@jblack3761 looks like I’ll be printing with muuuch larger nozzles I think haha
LTT screwdriver, nice❤
can you test an color injection directly into the nozzle? (with white filament)
Geniaal man!😂
I'd call this proper grilling!
Bimetalic strip, with an adjustable stop, integrated into a switch.
Think of it as a thermal limit switch.
Hmmm, seeing you melt that benchy makes me wonder whether a grill plate could be a viable way of recycling failed prints into usable plastic sheets.