Ups & Downs From Star Trek 2.13 - The Trouble With Tribbles
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- Storage compartments? Storage compartments!?
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Hence why ships of the 'California type' class, second-contact vessels exist. The 'I don't have enough time for this crap' stuff happening to other Starfleet captains.
Considering in TOS there was only 12 Constitution class starships (the pinnacle of Federation power and technology of its time), Kirk was correct to be annoyed for being asked to serve as nursemaid to some grain.
“We’re only doing Trouble with Tribbles, not the DS9 follow-up at this point,” but they keep using the scene with Sisko and Dax in the background of Kirk’s call with Barris…
Also, O'Brien's right there when Chekov's being grilled by Kirk after the brawl.
They also show Dax on the bridge when Kirk sat on the Tribble!😂😂😂
The time travel was so effective it even infiltrated this retrospective 😉
I'm sure someone had fun throwing Tribbles a Shatner's head in the storage scene.
Probably Sisko and Jadzia.
@@MpaYn in Canon- Dax and Sisko. On set, I am thinking Nimoy. 🤔
Fun fact. During the take, backstage crews were told to make the bin as full as possible (to fall onto Kirk), and was reduced to tossing one tribble after another. Hence the brilliant retro of two Starfleet officers from the future to toss tribbles onto Kirk. Hehe. Love it.
Sean, your damned right we want a retro ups and downs for the excellent trials & tribleuations episode!
Big UP for casting! William Schallert, William Campbell, Stanley Adams, Whit Bissell, Michael Pataki, Guy Raymond. No scenery left un-chewed!
TOS always landed some of the best tv guest stars of the day.
I believe George was filming The Green Berets with John Wayne at this point in the filming schedule.
yup
Yup - most of Chekov's part was written for Sulu. The James Blish novelization still has Sulu with Uhura on the station.
The Tribbles episodes were always among my favorites. Thanks, great Christmas present for me to watch today. 👍👍
I love how all the screenshots are from Trials and Tribble-ations.
Bonus: if you have a copy of the non-remastered, uncut episode, there is a scene where you get to see character development for Spock. They are talking to Barris in the station manager's office and the exchange goes something like this:
Barris:... did you hear me?!!
Kirk: Yes, I heard you...
Spock: He simply could not believe his ears.
turns and gives Spock a look as if to say, "Good one!"
looks downward, and seems to be thinking, "Wow... it worked! Fascinating!"
the whole scene is just 5 or 6 seconds long, but shows Spock coming to grips with his human side. LOL!!
Why was that edited?
I haven’t compared the versions in years - yet, odd.
@@jonathanmurphy3141 probably to squeeze in more advertising time when rerun in syndication. Just my guess, though.
@@jonathanmurphy3141 there a lot of small bits where the original film was lost over the years, so Paramount had nothing for an HD version.
@@bradchoi9679 Yes, likely
In the early 80's The Smurfs Saturday morning cartoon did an homage to this episode called "Fuzzle Trouble" with fuzzles essentially being tribbles. They actually recreate the scene with Kirk being smothered in tribbles, with Clumsy Smurf.
He must've been -drunk- dizzy for hours after touching them!
I've watched every episode from being a child in the Sixties.. My Dad could never get his head around Star Trek but it has been one of the major influences in my life Uhura was actually the very first woman of colour I had ever seen also Sulu etc .. This has formed my outlook on many aspects of how I conduct myself. This episode always makes me smile as it is how I have always regarded and spoken to pompous managers 🤣 My favourite episode is Tomorrow is yesterday .. mainly because I had a model starfighter and an Enterprise and could "act " it out.. There you go musings of an old man but Merry Christmas to all at Trek culture and to everyone else .. even Klingons
Only if they sing Kling-Pop!
I had a phaser in the 1970's. My friends would tell me to grab my air gun as we were not playing Star Trek. Lol
Re: Starfighter vs. Enterprise in 1967: Me too!
Regarding the sparkly silver uniform that Finnegan (and various characters here) wore, it’s canon as the Cadet uniform for Starfleet Academy in this period. I’m sure I’ve seen it somewhere in a list of uniforms (possibly in the old Star Trek Fact Files). As Finnegan was someone that Kirk butted heads with at the Academy, that pretty much backs it up.
McCoy is my absolute favorite of all of Star Trek, and the relationship between him and Spock is part of the reason. I never saw it as them hating each other (except at the beginning). Its a very military friendship. They bust each other's chops, they disagree and argue on a fundamental level, but either one would trade themselves for the the safety of the other if it came to such.
I agree completely. Kirk needs a Foil, in terms of Chain of Command, who can check him when needed. But they obviously have a great deal of respect for each other even when they disagree how to proceed
Downs: It’s only the length of a single episode.
No it's not! You forget the Animated episode More Tribbles More Troubles!! Not to mention the DS9 remake(?) Trials and Tribbulations
And the ds9 episode fits in nicely
There's even a Short Treks prequel and a TV commercial if you're up for it and enjoy H Jon Benjamin and grosser humor
As a Scottish viewer, no need to apologise. It was a very good impression of scotty’s accent… James doohan may have had some splaining to do though 😂
Thanks Sean! I was feeling a bit down in the dumps, this really picked me up! Great timing 🤣👍. Lots of love to the Trek community and happy holidays 🖖😁🤘🇨🇦🕊️
While quadrotriticale may be fictional, triticale does exist and is expensive for flour. Also, a pain to find in amounts appropriate for the home cook. Come on world! I need to make my trib-boule!
I was delighted to learn triticale was a real thing a few years ago. It's a cross between wheat and rye - Bob's Red Mill used to have it available as a hot cereal! Unfortunately they don't carry it any more, but it's still an ingredient in their 10 grain hot cereal. :)
Contrary to what Spock says, the root grain Triticale actually comes from 19th century Germany and Scotland.
Also, Russia is one of the top producers of Triticale, so it’s actually quite feasible that Quadrotriticale would be a Russian inwention
we raise tridicale on our farm, but for the hay not the grain.
Sean, your look of unbridled glee as you started into the episode gave me the same joy as an amazing Christmas or birthday present! Thank you and Happy Holidays to you and the rest of TrekCulture!
Cats could be considered the Vulcans of the animal world, hence, the reason Spock likes them.
Cat: "Logic dictates you clean up my poop."
At least some of Kirk's look of frustration at being absolutely buried by the avalanche of tribbles from the open storage compartment likely comes from the fact that they had to do eight takes of that scene to get things to look just right.
Add in the fact that the tribbles *kept* falling on Kirk in lesser numbers throughout the remainder of the scene, inspiring the "Someone... close that door" line, came about because the production crew responsible for stocking the "storage compartment" with prop tribbles before and during the scene had no direct line of sight to Shatner or the interior of the "compartment" they were throwing tribbles into -- and therefore did not know just when the door had been was opened and the compartment fully or emptied, so they just kept tossing prop tribbles into the compartment randomly throughout the scene.
Kirk's look of exasperation at the scene's end is as much a reaction from Shatner himself to the production crew's continued tribble-tossing as it is Kirk's reaction to the absurdity of the event.
"Well, the nearest thing that I can figure out is that they're born pregnant. Which seems to be quite a time saver".
McCoy should have got a latinum up for that line!
At one point the bar fight was considered one of the best TV fight scenes ever filmed
A video from Sean Ferrick on Christmas Eve? Now, that makes my Christmas!
First off, the important stuff: Thank you, Sean, for making this year a much more enjoyable one than it'd be without you and all of Trek Culture. Merry Christmas.
Now, to the issue at hand. One funny fact about the casting on this episode is that the actor playing admin Lurry had a more visible role in SF at that time: general Heywood KIRK, in Time Tunnel, with James Darren. That one, btw, worked with William Shatner in T J Hooker. And later on, played Vic Fontaine in DS9. Small galaxy, this one.
And, a correction: the concept of the Enterprise being the flagship of the Fleet came much later than TOS. It was a prestigious posting, sure, but not THE one - otherwise it would be captained by one of the commodores, Decker or Wesley, not a captain. I think it was during Enterprise run that it was decided that the legend of the ship predated Kirk's run as her commander.
And in 1966 the concept of ecological balance and invasive species were a novelty at best. This episode was groundbreaking in discussing ecological issues in the mid 60s.
About the lineup, I was disappointed that they thought Kirk wouldn't notice two strangers pretending to be members of HIS crew. depending on the source material, he could recognize one of them by their bootsteps.
Tribbles are not bisexual, they are hermaphrodite. Bit of a difference.
Wow! I didn't know about the various show connection's with the actor's. Very cool 👍. Happy holidays fellow Trek fan! 🤘😁🖖🇨🇦🕊️
McCoy does say they're bisexual in the scene. Yes, that's not scientifically correct for what he's describing, but that's a correction of McCoy, not Sean.
I never get the chance to be at one of these Premiers. What a delightful episode to review on this festive Holiday season!
Please let this mean that you are now going to do an Ups & Downs for the DS9 episode: Trials and Tribble-ations, SOON!
Harry Mudd would have been good as the tribble peddler. Cyrano definitely had a Mudd vibe.
Because they're the same person!
you missed my favorite line from the 'big reveal': when Kirk was passing by Baris with the tribble he said 'The Tribble likes you... Well, there's no accounting for taste...' I laughed so hard...
You forgot the snacks! One of my personal favorite things about this episode is that Kirk is munching on something throughout ...almost like Hoss from "Bonanza."
I hope a future lower decks episode features tribbles.
I can only assume they are comment baiting, when they use screens of the DS9 episode , behind Seans shoulder
I disagree about one thing Sean. Spock and McCoy don't hate each other. They respect and like each other but are to stubborn, in their own ways, to admit it. Just look at Kirk reactions
whenever he has to be referee. He's usually amused.
Besides this very true perception^, no- tension between them makes for a boring scene.
The Trouble with Tribbles and Trials and Tribble-ations (from DS9) are my all time favorites.
🎄Merry Christmas everyone🎄
Remember Kirk is fighting a headache through part of this episode.
Just wanted to say I really enjoy these Retro U & D's to fill in the time between shows.
Rumored behind the scenes, the crew was not too happy with Shatner, so all the Tribbles that continue to rain on his head are crew members trying to bean Shanter with the little fur balls. (Of course, Trials and Tribblations makes it so that Sisko and Dax are up there tossing out the inert Tribbles to find a bomb.
Nana visitor !!! Wow looking forward to that one. Great editing and writing in this one. Sèan - handsome and charming as always. Great episode.
I had the Bantam Books published photo-book for this episode back in the late seventies. It enabled me to appreciate TTwT much more.
Definitely up there with my absolute favourites. Fun to watch this having recently watched the episode again.
Also one of my top episodes ever. I watched some TH-camr recently do a first-reaction video for several ST:TOS episodes, and this was one they included. As it should be, IMO. It’s truly one of the funniest episodes of the entire franchise, and as Sean pointed out here, has had some of the most far-reaching contributions to the lore. Pretty sure I owned a tribble at some point, purchased at a 1970’s Trek convention. It’s iconic, and well worth the look.
@@DawnDavidson totally agree with you. That sounds fun watching a first reaction. Can you remember the channel? It says a lot that it’s so old and we’ve watched it so many times and we still love it!
AWESOME entry!!!! One of my favorite episodes. I got to meet David Gerrold about 3 weeks ago in Ticonderoga and he couldn’t have been nicer.
Wow! How cool!
I always figured the klingons were holding back in the bar brawl because they weren't fighting seriously, just having some fun punching people, and didn't want it over too quickly.
Considering the Klingons are a warrior race they seem to always be getting beaten up and losing
Given what we know about Klingon behavior from episodes of DS9, my head canon states that Klingons enjoy barroom brawling as a recreational activity whenever they go to a foreign port of call, and they like to think that other starships feel the same way.
The Trouble with Tribbles also... was a complete and UTTER NIGHTMARE on the production... the true story is that the Russian Premier at the time was a HUGE fan cause of the World being at peace and some Socialist values being used on Earth Presumably.
this is why Chekov exists cause there was no Russian Rep. AND YES Chekov being heavily used cause it was more of a political obligation cause the Premier was pirate casting Star Trek
MILLION TRIBBLES (AKA Nils Baris' Lament)
(to the tune of: Million Reasons by Lady Gaga)
Words by Krikor
You've given me a million tribbles eating my grain
You've given me a million tribbles causing me pain
You've given me a million tribbles
Gave me a million tribbles
Given me a million tribbles
About a million tribbles
Even with the Klingons, who should all be in jail
The plans that they would bring on ultimately would fail
But you've given me a million tribbles
Gave me a million tribbles
Given me a million tribbles
About a million tribbles
This does not seem real
They're multiplying hourly, daily
They're making a meal
Of all my quadrotriticale
I've got a hundred million tribbles in my cargo bay
Cyrano, if only that first one was spayed
Enterprise is here, but Kirk thinks I'm just a fool
He doesn't understand that there's a reason for rules
'Cause you've given me a million tribbles
Gave me a million tribbles
Given me a million tribbles
About a million tribbles
If your Spican flame gems were all you had to trade
It would have been much better than the mess you have made
'Cause you've given me a million tribbles
Gave me a million tribbles
Given me a million tribbles
About a million tribbles
This does not seem real
They're multiplying hourly, daily
They're making a meal
Of all my quadrotriticale
I've got a hundred million tribbles in my cargo bay
Cyrano, if only that first one was spayed
See how they're feedin', feedin'
Spay
Can't you stop them from their breedin', breedin'
Every new batch makes it hard to stem the tide
Cyrano, it just took that first one
First one, first one, first one, first one, first one
This just does not seem real
They're multiplying hourly, daily
They're making a meal
Of all my quadrotriticale
I've got a hundred million tribbles in my cargo bay
Cyrano, if only that first one, first one
Why couldn't it be that first one, first one
Jonesy, if only that first one was spayed
It's a bir dated, but there is a Star Trek blooper of the scene between Kirk and Admiral Fitzpatrick where the actor playing Fitzpatrick cups his hands in front of him saying "You're in Good Hands..." Back then, the actor was the TV spokesman for Allstate Insurance.
Well you made it almost 11 minutes before the beta male came out and you judged a 1960s episode by a 21st century standard. You should never do another of these until you can appreciate the history of the culture. Yes we've come far. The Savage curtain is another with language of the time that wouldn't (and shouldn't) be used. I'm not even disagreeing on the POINT you make. But downing something from the 1960s for something that was "timely" is like downing enterprise for "mount McKinley" just because some idiot decided in the 2000s his pen and phone needed to be used to rename it. If you're going to down historical context you've got no business doing these. Just stop. Go... judge a Federation spelling test or something.
Ugh... Nilz Baris... Every time he opens his mouth, all I can hear is Cartman from South Park screaming "You will respect my authoritah!!!:
Robert Heinlein wrote a book in 1952 called "The Rolling Stones" that had flat cats - fuzzy little creatures that reproduced so fast it quickly overpopulated a space ship.
Barris did nothing wrong!
There's a great Star Trek novel where we see an alternate timeline in which Cyrano Jones crashes before reaching K7. With no tribbles, Kirk never realizes the grain's been poisoned, which leads to massive death on Sherman's Planet and the Klingons taking over the entire sector, which gives them a strategic advantage for several decades.
There is a blink and you'd miss it moment in the TNG episode Encounter at Far Point. We are seeing the new Enterprise and how families live there and there in a room we bunch of people on a table are some tribbles.
Heh. I have a copy of David Gerrold's book about writing The Trouble With Tribbles.
Theoretically Scotty's drink theft could have been considered a small sacrifice to prevent the fight he was trying to prevent with all intent to buy a replacement drink had the Klingons not committed the unpardonable unforgivable sin of insulting Scotty's ship.
Amusing that you avoided Trials and Tribble-ations but the stills were mostly pulled from that.
The Command chair 'whoopie tribble' joke gets even more run in the animated sequel...
You missed a major up for the episode, at time stamp 6:02 and 15:18 if you look out the “window” you see the Enterprise in the background. You dropped the tribble on that one.
You didn’t want wear your Kirk wraparound for fear of your body disappearing. Wearing a black top against the black star field is better? 😂
You have to do Ups and Downs of Doomsday Machine, one of the greatest Star Trek Episodes of all time.
I, for one, am deeply upset that there are no spoiler warnings on a review of a 66 year old episode.
(No. No, I'm not, actually.)
22:18 wrong episode, according to your rules 😂
But I do really want a version that includes the altered scenes from Trials and Tribblations.
So you won’t be mentioning Trials and Tribulations, but in one still, Sisko and Dax are in the background
grown up juice?! GROWN UP JUICE?!
That's a pretty good description!
Schallert was really playing against type though he was a very versatile actor. He was like the dad or teacher you wish he had.
I’m giving Sean a Latinum Up for the Scotty Klingon re-enactment.
Merry Christmas to all you fellow Trekkies, thank you for being one of the greatest fan groups on the planet. Double goes for all you at Trek Cultre, you are practically apart of the family now
Fun fact, the Admiral who told Kirk to toe the line, was a famous actor for the insurance brand, All State. In a blooper scene, after telling Kirk to follow orders, he adds, "and Captain Kirk, you're in good hands with All State". Hilarious.
Not quite... at the time, their commercials ended with him holding out a model house and saying the line you gave. At the end of the shot (with just enough of a pause so they could cut it for the episode), someone off-camera tossed him a tribble and he held it out in the same way, saying, "And Captain, remember, you're in good hands with tribbles."
@@rdfox76haha! Even funnier!
Jones always strikes me as a...less sinister Harcourt Fenton Mudd if that makes any sense.
I remember when I was young laughing at Scotty sending the tribbles to the Klingon’s ship…then as I got older realizing he essentially sent them to their death as the Klingons would probably end up slaughtering all of them…that made me quite sad lol
Should have gotten an up for Spock quoting the Bible.
one up is that everyone(besides Sulu) has a part in it. Most episodes they didn't have any part in the story.
It wasn't a stolen drink. It was a donated drink to calm a fellow crewman.
Kirk is such a petulant teen rolling his eyes at any adult in the room lol. I love this ep so much
I really needed this today. xmas time is hard for me this year and I needed a giggle.
Kind of surprised there was no mention that Nilz Baris was played by prolific character actor William Schallert, who later appeared in the DS9 episode "Sanctuary."
Alone at christmas, and I got the best gift ever, an episode of Trek culture reviewing one of my favorite episodes of Star Trek, many UPS and downs to you in the coming year........ make it so!
We need to get you a pull-down blue screen option so you can wear those green outfits
For all your comments about this NOT being Trials and Tribbleations, this is another one where DS9 shows up! 20:08 with Obrien and Bashir in trouble for the bar-fight.😉👍
The time travel was so effective it even infiltrated this retrospective 😉
I do love this episode so much. It’s in my top three with Balance of Terror and City on the Edge of Forever.
Both of which need a Retro Ups & Downs 🙏
Absolutely agreed that they need a retro ups and downs for those episodes! And I agree that those are good choices for iconic TOS episodes. :) SNW’s use in the first season of another perspective on Balance of Terror was a brilliant move, IMO. It solidified my love for that series right out the gate. 😊
Sean, your impression of the garbage scow scene was spot on. Loved it! Chef's kiss!
Honestly, I think Larkin took the natural high-breeding tribbles and turned it from 11 to 14; otherwise, hell, how would those tribbles from the Cabot get back to their homeworld to be come the dominant species... Sure, the breed to slowly for Larkin, but that guy's a freak. (Plus, pretty sure Phlox already covered that they breed quickly back in Enterprise... and something that docile, that delicious, that defenseless isn't surviving in the wild unless they give bunnies a run for their money on breeding.)
Before I even watch this video I just want to say. How can you find anything down on this episode? And a MERRY CHRISTMAS and happy holidays for all of you watching and at TrekCulture!!!🎉🎉🎉
“It’s kinda dumb! And I like it!” Dang it Sean gets me every time with the pure joy ☺️
I'm pretty sure that Leninhrad gets a name-drop in one of the "control room" scenes in The Voyage Home. Something about not having reserve power after the probe has drained it all.
"Leningrad has lost all electric power"
My favorite Original series episode. And my overall favorite Star Trek episode. Trials and Trimble-ations in second.
I have had the line "The Enterprise should be hauled away AS garbage" in my head all day, then this video gets released.
Missed Observation: 24:32 is one of the few times where you can see where James Doohan's missing finger used to be.
I was coming by just to mention this! Heard him say at a convention that it was a nuisance but he compared himself to other men in the hospital and realized it wasn't that bad an injury.
Greetings of the Season to all you Cultured Folk!
As always thank you so very much for the videos.
Mork from Mork & Mindy had a pet named Bebo that was a naughachomp but it looked just like a Tribble that scurries accoss the floor.
During the original series, the Enterprise was never referred to as the Flagship of the Federation - though it seems to have been retconned over the years. If anything, the Flagship in TOS was probably the Lexington since the flag officer Commodore Wesley commanded her.
You know, I can never watch Trouble with Tribbles........without watching Trials and Tribulations together. Someone should really make a deep cut of the two together into one mega-episode. 😁
I just came here to type the exact same thing. They did special editions of TNG 2 part episodes and turned them into one feature surely they could combine them two episodes as well somehow
Has anyone ever done a supercut of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead with Hamlet? Seems like a similarly obvious choice. :)
One of my favorite expressions was Scotty's absolutely *dejected* look when Kirk orders him to take shore leave already. I always felt like Scotty knew in the back of his mind that he was gonna get into a bar fight while he was there. No telling when or how, just that it was gonna happen.
"ecological disaster in the alpha and beta quadrants" makes me think of there being "tribble worlds" that are quarantined, with them spreading from world to world, and the whole Federation panicking to control them.
(There's a Pandemic skin there and it would be hilarious)
I suppose that's probably how the Klingons felt during the Great Tribble Hunt (or w/e that was called)
That's one of the side missions in the Star Trek Fleet Command game. Tribbles decimating Klingon outposts.
@@134StormShadow I'm not surprised. I haven't played Fleet Command, but the bits I've picked up by osmosis make it seem like it goes into deep lore dives like that
The comedic timing in this episode is just brilliant! I'd put it in my top 10, but there's a few others I prefer over this one. I also disagree with your "Little Lady" down. It's an eye-rolling sales tactic, but harmless in the same way servers in a restaurant call you hon, or sweetie. Also Spock and McCoy genuinely love and respect each other. I would NEVER say they hate each other. It's like a sibling rivalry. McCoy is just poking the bear because that's what he likes to do. He's always eager to one-up Spock, but knows he rarely can. And ugh... Spock was not making a dick joke. At no point has anyone ever considered that a dick joke. It was television in the 1960s. Sure occasionally there's things that don't stand the test of time, but this was played innocent enough.
I think I'm like most people that this episode is what solidified my love for Star Trek in the first place. So much love!!!
I have a theory that all Vulcans are cat people!
You know pointing out so deliberately every non-PC comment in these TOS episodes is grating. It was the time, and no I’m not a mysoginist, nor am I a bigot. You probably think we should erase things like this from history. Because we can’t just enjoy things without you virtue signaling through a fictional universe. Are you going to start saying Free Palestine next?
Looking back it's notable how this ep treats the lives & welfare of tribbles as cavalierly as Star Wars does with droids. Even though they are technically pests, the crew finds them appealing. We enjoy Kirk getting buried in tribbles - oh, by the way, most of them are poisoned and dead. It would be inhuman to beam the tribbles into space, so we gave 'em to the Klingons, who... WON'T slaughter every one they find on their ship?
Yay!! Thankyou!! My eldest loves Tribbles. I love DS9. Thankyou! Early Christmas present.
You need to follow this up with Trials and Tribble-ations.
I'm gonna consider the "Attack Tribble" to be a normal tribble cross bred with a Moopsy
*shudder* !! 😂
OMG 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Really, Seán? You like the D7 more than the B'Rel? 🤷♂️ to each their own, I guess. No Klingon vessel is more inherently _Klingon_ to me than the 23rd-century Birds-of-Prey.
Regardless, Happy Christmas to you and yours and everyone at TrekCulture.
Do a Retro "Trials and Tribble-lations" RIGHT NOW!
PROS:
a) you meet the commitment you made, so it's not haunting you
b) we want it
c) we'll be coming back for all other content anyway, no need to stretch it out
CONS:
a) NONE
cmon man