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Missing 41 isn't harmless and doing more good than harm.Even if most people dismiss conspiracy theories or accept them only in some limited sense, leaving very small numbers of true believers, the high visibility of these false ideas can still make them dangerous.The costs of acting as if the 2020 election were rigged led to millions of dollars worth of damage to the Capitol building, led to hundreds of arrests for Capitol rioters, led to multiple deaths and imperiled American democracy. It teaches people to buy into fallacious flaws thinking over critical thinking and proper skepticism. Instead pushing a fake idea that skepticism that instead od a claims the burden of proof for magical thinking. Missing 411 expends that uncovering the truth excludes attention to their own capacities for biased or otherwise erroneous reasoning. Once you but into one conspiracy theories. They also play an important social and functional role for extremist groups, where they act as a “radicalizing multiplier. In an experimental study, Imhoff and colleagues [24] found participants were more supportive of violent extremism..
Paulides is definetly a grifter. Look at the merch he sells. He actually would charge 10 bucks for him to grade your 'bigfoot exam'. Can you hear PT Barnum saying, 'watch my bigfoot videos if you want to pass my exam!'? He sold posters autographed by his late son. He could have gave them away to family members or fans, but he $old them. Seriously, take a look at his comment section. Not only does he try his best to 'protect' the villagers from the truth/criticism, but for some reason, he has stooped to spending a lot of time addressing people who claim they have been unsubbed, or, unsubbed and only get notifications, or, are subbed and get no notificaions. Think about that some.
Yeah if it wasn’t for him I probably wouldn’t have my TH-cam channel insane disappearances‼️, and never would have covered the mysterious vanishing of Madison Maddy Scott. But then I feel I was meant to create this TH-cam channel for purposes, no matter how creepy the stories of the evidence is because there is room for truth, even if they truth is harsh, which is by the way..
@@TheLoreLodge do you think somebody actually murdered a child four people are known for when they suffered a hypothermia to take off their clothes feel warm
It's honestly baffling how blatantly this horrific crime was completely buried. A child is found with injuries specifically to her lower body, her pants and underwear removed, and "fallen" off a cliff that she probably shouldn't have been able to reach on her own in the first place and the sheriff just goes "yeah, she clearly died of natural causes." Gonna be real hard to convince me the sheriff wasn't directly involved in her disappearance. If he wasn't the one that took her then at the very least he probably knew who did and was covering for them.
HELLO FRIEND......awesome comment/rrsponse. Especially back in the 50s n shit,where people were already stigmatized behind close doors,or just u keep ur mouth shut now...im so glad to see sumone strait up explain the real narrative without discretion. Rite on, and may that poor poor little girl rest with GOD 😢
@@motherurck7542 Also sadly I think there's always been a good number of people like that, people with no remorse and just want to satisfy themselves. Throughout history it's always been like that but nowadays people are finally starting to protect women and children and enforce against these people.
Regarding the Proudfoot’s not looking for their son you are so right. My 14 year old son was missing for a week this March. My husband, who is his stepdad, and I were out every moment of every day searching for him. We took turns napping, we barely ate, we handed out flyers and put up posters. We drove every where there was a tip and looked there. We did not stop until he was found. We called our jobs on day one and told them we would be in when we found him. I cannot imagine acting the way they. It goes against every natural instinct a parent has when their child is in danger.
If they didn’t have family to babysit their other young children, maybe they didn’t want to risk losing another child dragging them out into the forest to search with them :/
As someone that has worked with children for over a decade I get tired of seeing statements that a child couldn't have gone further than the search area or the terrain was too harsh. Children as young as this have crazy amounts of energy and can be quite capable at negotiating difficult obstacles. Yes under circumstances where they might be scared they could well shut down and not go far but it could also potentially fuel them even more. People really underestimate children and what they are capable of
Thank you for being part of the solution! I agree with what you said, and I have personal experiences to share that will back this up. My 18 month old son was in an early head start classroom made up of 8 kids, with 2 teachers & a "class grandma" (volunteer). He and another little boy who's just a month younger than him, they were the biggest kids in that room. They recently added a 4-month-old, and then a 3-month-old baby to that room. So the adults were adjusting to those itty bittys. And my son learned how to open the windows and move screen so damn well that he taught his big kid friend how to do it, step by step. The teachers noticed this only cuz the friend was so thrilled to do that, he laughed like a maniac and they clapped and celebrated. Staff looked back on camera footage to see that my son had been quietly working on those windows for a week and a half. He was quickly putting it back if anyone, grown or baby, approached the area. It made me sick to my stomach to see this was at all a thing, but it gets worse- in the last 2 days he was really comfortable with it. He started poking his head out the window, and we could see his little arm waving... No one noticed because he did this in these windows that are barely visible & only accessible from inside of / behind a little indoor wooden baby-playground with a slide & tower. It was in the corner, and they never thought much about those windows. They kept them locked. And they sincerely didn't think babies and toddlers would have enough motivation, dexterity and strength to unlock them. The head teacher worked at Head start for 35 years and never saw that happen before, even in the prior building with windows that were less complicated. The new building is just one floor, and my son could have fit his body through the cracks in that playground, out the window, and landed with his pull up buns on the ground uninjured 😓 right alongside an extremely dangerous trucking route. If he didn't decide to let this friend in on it & continue quietly becoming the window Ninja, he would have ended up outside & been hit before they even noticed they were missing a kid (cuz they're not going to count the children the same way when they're all in that contained room!) my relatives were very angry with those teachers, but I can understand how they wouldn't have seen this as a possibility. I tried those windows myself when they informed me of this. And I wouldn't have been worried about them either. He didn't even mess with the windows at home, ever, at least by that point he hadn't. 5 months after that happened, he figured out how to fully remove a window from our living room wall... You know, the latches that one must push at the same time to pull the window out and clean it? This was 2 months after moving into a new home, and I never yet did so much as open a window - it was December. I went to the bathroom, and before I could finish tinkles, I heard this big terrifying sound followed by deafening silence. My heart jumped into my throat. I had no clue what it could be, all of the furniture was anchored to walls. And my almost 2 year old was halfway holding the window, but kind of semi pinned up against the sofa as snowflakes fell onto the living room floor. He seems like he was really shook up and freaked out, afraid to try it again- but there was no way I could play games after that. So I got us ready to go, and we went right to the store to buy additional child locks amd alarms for me to affix onto every single window. And from then on, our potential babysitter list shrunk cuz if a babysitter wasn't open to let me provide them with enough alarms to arm every window in all rooms he had access to in their home, they had to come watch him at our house. If I could underestimate him enough that this could happen, even after the Head start incident, people who aren't exposed to him as often are going to underestimate even worse. To anyone that is worried after reading this lol, the Dollar tree alarms worked great on our windows. My recommendation is, use $10 to have the peace of mind that this can never happen with your kids, grandkids or any child you leave for literally 1 minute in a child safe room so you can make tinkles.
Why weren’t there screens on the windows at Head Start? Seems very strange that a childcare facility didn’t have screens in the windows. I’ve worked in childcare for over twenty years and I assure you teachers are CONSTANTLY counting kids, if one goes missing it would be noticed almost immediately.
Poor little girl. The sheriff's whole "let's just vote on what happened" without more analysis suggests to me the same thing to me that you concluded Aidan but also that maybe he knew who did it or was actively involved... horrific.
I find it more likely that he simply knew from experience. They did not have enough evidence to find a culprit. I mean they hardly had enough evidence to even find the child. He could have just thought that it would be better for the family to think their child died in an accident than for the family to know that someone hurt their child and there's no way to catch them. Even with modern science, I think this case would be hard to solve. No witnesses no proof there was anyone else with her , no DNA .
You'd think if he was involved directly he wouldn't hide the body where it would be found, but move it far, far away. I think it's more likely he was covering for some reason, though not directly involved.
"So your little one was raped and murdered. Looks like multiple times over several days. Kept prisoner. We know who probably did it. Boot legers. Yup, the local criminals who live in your area. We have no evidence of who it was. She probably suffered a lot. But we can't pin it on anyone. Now you can sleep with that knowledge. God day mam."
The deadpan cracks (such as the ones about New Jersey and Wendigoon) really help to add a little levity that isn't at the expense of the victim. I appreciate that.
Well, back then, sometimes these kinds of animals were "strategically relocated to the bottom of a dead mine shaft" without trial, just the old boy justice way.
It sounds like the sheriff and "jury" probably ruled it an accident to spare the family the truth. Especially considering that statement about hoping she had been kidnapped by a kind person who just wanted a child.
@bloodyneptune, they lie all the time about deaths. I live here, and the market across the street burnt to the ground with the owner inside. They claim she unalived herself then burnt it down. I honestly have good reason to believe a cop was involved. It's really sad! Never seen anything like these criminal cops in my life.
@@GoneHogWild Small town PDs are the worst, I've lived in rural towns most of my life and the amount of blatant corruption I have witnessed in my relatively short life is shocking, I can only imagine what they got away with back in the day before people had cellphones and the internet
@@turnermd1302 trust me I agree but I truly believe they unalived someone and burnt her business down to cover the fact that they slashed our tires at our home and threw a explosive at me. I actually said in my video that i would try to get the footage to prove it was that cop.I put a video on TH-cam making that report 30 hours later I was on my way home and the Market was burning with her inside we believe we heard her yell for help. It's awful I wish something would be done! Then the claim there was a gunshot in the 911 calls but I have them and there's no gunshot the whole thing is quite weird. I'm trying to help her family get the truth. They won't even give me public records that I ask for. Also the tbi records are not public record which need to be challenged. Check out the Creekside Market fire on Stinking Creek Rd in lafollette Tennessee
An alternate theory - I have two toddler nieces, and I'm constantly _stunned_ by just how much energy they have and how far they can go if you take your eyes off them for even a second. They are fit and healthy, and have wildly more energy than I (a grown adult) has. Kids that are used to being outside, playing outside, are shockingly good at traversing that terrain, sometimes far better than adults can. (I say that from experience as an outdoors kid, and watching over my nieces.) As for her clothes being off her body and up on the cliff...it could just be that she needed to go to the bathroom, recognised that 'over a ledge' would be okay for using as an impromptu toilet, and simply fell. I'm learning more and more that we, as adults, don't give able-bodied kids _nearly_ the credit they deserve when it comes to a lot of physical activities. I'm not at all surprised by some of the cases where the child is found literal miles from where they were last seen. A physically-fit kid that's lost, upset, perhaps running on a little bit of adrenaline, and trying to either get home or find someone to help them? Yeah, I could absolutely see them ending up miles away.
Former "free range" kid myself. My siblings and myself, as well as our cousins who lived next door, were allowed to roam wherever we wanted all day long. The eldest siblings were "in charge", but they were only four years older than the rest of us. All the adults had full time jobs, so there was really no one else for them to rely on. (Babysitters were not something our parents could afford.) I'd say that from age 7 to age 10, I'd cover probably 5-10 miles a day, depending on where my wanderings took me. We were mostly in the woods and mostly together, though, so we would have had someone to run for help if it was needed. We didn't need to be upset at all to explore the woods miles and miles away from home. We were always back by dark for dinner and baths, so no one ever really worried. Different times (late 1970s to early 1980s), I guess. Oh, and I should mention that we were always barefoot in our wanderings. Shoes were for school and church.
I agree with most of what you said except as a mom myself with children of about that age, a 4-year-old and a 2-year-old. I have doubts about the child getting that close to the edge of a cliff I have seen in my own children a sometimes extreme aversion to drop offs or heights. And I suppose this could be dependent on individual children, but neither of my children would be able to have gotten their own overalls off. Combined with the fact that no one in the 4 days the girl was alive , heard the crys you would expect from a lost hurt hungry tired 3 year old , I have my doubts that she was alone. I would find it more believable that she was kidnapped and while helping the child relive herself over the cliffs edge , lost their grip and dropped her.
You have a good point. Kids in general get a second class citizen treatment when it comes to physical agency, intellect, etc. Some of it is for good reason but lets remember that some olympic divisions are dominated by 14 y/os. Little kids don't have a whole lot of weight to pull up when they climb. Sometimes smaller the better. I remember as a little kid being able to fall shoulder down, almost on my neck. Just got up. Not a scratch despite falling down head first. And as a little kid I could put both legs behind my head. They told me I wouldn’t be able to do that when I got older. Preteen, still could. You won't be able to do that when you are older. Persist in my ability to be able to do it through all my teens but am told once more that I won't be able to do it as an adult. Can still do it.
Ironically I think he might have fallen a little bit for the same confirmation bias Paullides is often guilty of given that he has been working on a different child abduction case. The actions of the sheriff are definitely strange and the abduction/assault theory is completely PLAUSIBLE but to insinuate it is the most LIKELY I found to be quite a stretch unless there is specific evidence regarding her injuries that was not disclosed. Paradoxical undressing is another possible explanation for the state of her clothes and it was definitely cold enough for her to experience hypothermia. The fact there were allegedly more bruises on her lower half is also meaningless unless you have some other evidence that points to an assault which I didn’t hear anywhere in the video beyond “she couldn’t have gotten there by herself” which as you and others have mentioned isn’t necessarily true. I want to stress she may very well have been abducted and murdered I just think her wandering off and dying of exposure is far simpler an explanation and more likely.
I’ve been thinking about reaching out to you guys about a girl who went missing in Ojai, CA a month ago or so. She’s about 20, allegedly non-verbal autistic, and whatever information is shared with the public is contradicting. Disappear from an idyllic little town where crime is almost nonexistent, the police wraps up search after a few days, parents can’t decide if the girl is autistic, schizophrenic or both, 0 comments from the authorities… yeah, not weird at all.
what is her name, if it’s available? I’d like to help spread the word about her I hadn’t heard of this case until now. That much major conflicting info is mega weird.
@@ThatEvilHag on the ventura subreddit, someone reported that they Think they may have seen her 3 days later near the 33 & Olive (essentially still ventura avenue) down in ventura. Someone else posted a screenshot from a private Facebook group of a woman that looks like her staring at a truck and looking frightened. If it's her, at that point she'd gotten a jacket. I didn't join the fb group to see if there was more.
The fact the parents can't decide if she was autistic and/or schizophrenic is showing some red flags for me. If she actually had either condition, wouldn't they as her parents know? Unless they were very neglectful of her, which brings up a whole new bucket of worms.
@@FallacyBites yeah, no idea if these sightings were anyhow confirmed. There's a lot of hearsay and no word from the authorities as far as I know. The only updates are regular posts from a cousin (I think?) of the girl to remind people of the situation and plead for clues. There's also a $10k reward now.
Because at first you mentioned that her clothes were found on a cliff, i thought perhaps she was taken by a mountain lion--- they get their prey by the throat so no screaming, can leap at least six feet high, and like to drag their prey far away to eat. ...then you said her body was found by a logging road----so a place accessible to adults, and she was clearly NOT devoured by a large predator.... Argh... so many people Suck.
I agree about David, he did a story near where I live today. Some of the information was incorrect and I mentioned this in several comments, but to my surprise, my comments were deleted because they didn’t match his theory. I’ve also seen other commenters say the exact same thing.
Paulides is at best, a zealots who can't see past his own goofball theories. Or at worst, a cynical book salesman, who's top priority is creating COMPETING spook stories, to move product. This channel may be too pollite to say it outright, but I don't care. "Missing 411" is a collection of unrelated tragedies, many with pretty obvious, mundane explanations, and many genuinely baffling and unsolved. But in a nation of 400 million, with a century+ of data to source, it would be more weird and suspicious, if there WASN'T at least a few thousand baffling, insolved missing persons cases.
Another story to look into Jpdi Huisentrut (i think it is spelled correctly or as close as i can). She was a news anchor who disappeared gping to her car to go to work. The only thing fpund by her car was a bent key in car lock. One red high heel and a curling iron.
I love how much Lore Aiden makes every active, or true crime, case he covers personal to him. It's a drive that many people, who actually get paid for it, lack.
And I also like the critical thinking he uses against the conclusions of a David Paulides, who makes a living out of the 'mysterious' 411 phenom. A handful of cases are truly baffling, all right, but most of the others are reducible to very mundane causes or motives.
@@PetarPoparaExacto. I personally believe that quite a few of those disappearances are truly anomalous (as are others throughout the world, evidenced by folklore in my country and even continents away that matches exactly the specific abnormal conditions and events of the really baffling missing 411 cases, suggesting this is a very old phenomenon), but David tries to jam every single disappearance into that very tiny category of actually insane cases. More than that, he defines a supposedly specific and rigorous, but in fact completely dumbo and vague list of traits that he can use to lump countless disappearance cases into his "clusters". So even as a believer in "the anomalous" (I hesitate to say paranormal), I have to agree with guys like you that people like Paulides do nothing but damage with their theories. They make it extremely difficult for me to argue any anomalous cases (be it Missing 411 or other things), because they've essentially poisoned the well.
@@deerichardz I'm not particularly good with names, but those of Deor Kuntz, Thomas Machik, Jared Negrete or Jaryd Atadero are doing the rounds among the aficionados. Mind you, simply by omitting a detail these cases can be moved from the category 'tragically banal' to 'baffling.' Bottom line: every narrative has already been imaginatively narrated in the mind of the witnesses before it first gets put into actual words (according to Derrida).
If not for other context, it could be possible that poor little girl undressed herself trying to imitate her usual night-time routine, as routines are very important for children her age. In any case, this story is absolutely heartbreaking.
Yes or paradoxical undressing do to hypothermial considering it was October but I'm glad lore lodge covers things like this because I def don't believe it was either of those two things now
I'm always confused when people say a child wont be able to go farer than 2 miles. They severely underestimate the panic and endurance a child has when they realize they are lost. I've experienced small kids gotten found beyond 5 miles in a short period of time.
"Before any [David Paulidies] fans start angerily typing, I used to be one of you-" is such a deep cutting statement given the channel's history. It's like hearing "why haven't you called Jo?" Again.
David Paulides’ stories sound legit….until you look into it yourself. He leaves out important information that goes against his narrative, clearly didn’t grow up or spend any time outdoors, and fails to consider possibilities that are clearly evident. Plus people’s views and opinions evolve with time and additional information. Aidan and the channel has done just that…evolved. He started questioning things….did his own research instead of taking someone else’s word for it and changed his mind on missing 411. Growth is a wonderful thing.
@@adambrain8365 I think he got the $$ he wants out of his '411', and is just carrying on cause his ego won't let him stop and won't let him publish a few books just on corrections, omitted info, and just being wrong.
@@FeliciaSquiresYES! I used to be excited about paulides until I heard several channels and people in the comments call out so many things... And I think I accepted it when I did my own research and had to agree that he made stuff up. The dot on the i was someone saying, if he can't find anything mysterious in a disappearance then he can't put it in a new book and sell it.... I mean that's not a lie. He's definitely tweaking stories.
If she had to take her overalls off in order to take her underwear off, she might have either soiled herself (little kids can often be taken by surprise by the need to go), or taken her clothes off in order to go to the toilet in the forest without messing her clothes, or because they were messed. As a little kid, you'd have to take your shoes off in order to take your tights or britches off because of the elastic, in order to take your underwear off. And to little kids, going half-naked would be infinitely preferable to trying to put all that crap back on by yourself, especially if you'd soiled yourself. I say this as a child who got lost in a forest as a toddler and was lost for hours, and traversed long distances that surprised the hell out of my parents. When kids go off on their own, they don't stop to consider direction, they just go wherever their curiosity takes them, up, over, under. Tragically, it could easily have been a very sad accident.
@@sourgreendolly7685 they don't make any mention of it. Or, she tries to relieve herself. I just don't think it's a natural conclusion to say she was assaulted based on that alone.
When my grandson was two years old (being potty trained), he had to take off all of his bottom clothing, shoes, everything, before he could go potty. you have to wonder if maybe this little girl lost some of her clothes doing the same thing. She should’ve been examined thoroughly and given an autopsy, however, I want to give the sheriff a benefit of the doubt, knowing how things were back then, I’m thinking he may have been trying to spare of the parents as much heartache as possible with his jury. my mother lived in the south during a time when there were a “great many” child abductions. Even though they lived in the country, her family lived near a road and she and her brothers were NEVER permitted to play in the front yard for fear of being snatched. It’s hard to think that someone who’s looking to kidnap a child would go that far into back country to try to snatch a child. So much easier near a road or in a more populated area.
Jersey, only place in the US you have to register your airguns as firearms. And only place where hollow point "cop killer bullets" are banned. It's funny because any police officer will tell you that hollow points are more safe for home defense/self defense... lowers the risk of over penetration by a lot. Hence why they carry the same "cop killer bullets." Truly is an example of when people who make gun laws don't know anything about guns and will appeal to stupid shit people will say. If they didn’t hate guns, refused to ever use them, they would probably use them maybe a couple times in their life and naturally learn basic facts to the point where they can’t fall prey to superstition.
I could easily see how she could get lost in these woods. But then her father acted insanely weird and suspicious. Why would you immediately go "she was taken" and not that "we can't find her"?
Copperhead bit my 16 pound dog at least an hour before I found him. He swelled up and had a lot of pain but the emergency vet saved him with plasma infusion. Expensive but not deadly. Doggie doing great seven years later.
I’ve followed David Paulides for several years now and have read one of his books. In the beginning i found all these disappearances so strange but after listening to other sources, including Lore Lodge many of them seem to have very logical explanations. I still like his work but I think sometimes he can make them seem more strange than they really are.
One thing I noticed about him is that he never accepts any explanations that won't support it. There was a podcast that he explained missing 411 and he kept saying "well animal attacks could explain these cases, but they don't explain these other cases" like his mystery source is the ONLY thing that could be causing disappearances in national parks.
@@enthiegavoir5955exactly. He's eternally "searching" for a catch all explanation for all of them when the explanations probably vary from the criminal to the mundane on a case to case basis. Some are clearly murders or kidnappings while others are very likely just people running away or random accidents. Even the scale of disappearances is overblown. He's acting like it's some massive number but if you take into account the timeframe and then just look up the number of unsolved disappearances in the same timeframe that took place in and around cities the 411 stuff is minuscule. The US is massive and so are its national parks, it's not that strange that a few thousand people have disappeared or died in them over the last 70 years. But I guess when you're a hammer everything looks like a nail.
I remember when he refused to bring up Bigfoot or ufos into this (even though he's written books about Bigfoot before missing 411), and all of a sudden within the last five years, he's alluding to the possibility that Bigfoot and ufos are involved. Has anyone noticed this?
Man, it hit me so hard when the father was hoping that she was kidnapped just so he could have the comfort of thinking she was at least alive. That's gotta be so heartbreaking. On the other side of things for the Sebastian Roger's case I would not be surprised if his step dad did not care at all about him. I really do hate to say it but it's so common for step parents to just not give two shits about the kids or even try to get rid of them, whether that be them trying to have the biological parent lose custody, pressuring them to move out, or just straight up abusing them. It's sad but some people really don't want to be the parent that steps up.
Based on the fact that the sheriff immediately ignored the very obvious conclusion I’d say he was probably involved either directly or covering for somebody else. It makes sense seeing that he did not leave the crime since for the entire search. Maybe he wanted to be there so that if she was found he would immediately be able to step in and cover it up like he ended up doing
Another thing to consider is that the idea of people SAing a child is much more unthinkable back then. People probably knew it happened but it's not the first thing they thought of. Or the second or the third. They probably didn't want to imagine that possibility at all.
When I read the title I thought this was going to be about Jaryd Atadero, a three year old who went missing while hiking and was also found under very suspicious circumstances. I'd love to see you guys cover it one day!
I know it's different circumstances. But as someone who works scent dogs, people don't understand how bad they handicap dogs by using them as a last resort. Just get the dogs in there asap. Great job, as always, my guy.
Paulides makes money by doing a rather slipshod job, hinting at the paranormal or some kind of conspiracy. Not that those things are completely out of the question, but he's going for sensationalism. Facts and thorough research are not his thing.
I love these videos as someone who read the 411 stories and very quickly got frustrated with the way the stories were told as someone who has spent time in the woods since childhood so many things didn’t make sense so it’s nice to have these stories be told in a way that reflects reality and can hopefully help answers be found
A lot of the time when people discuss the behaviour of parents following a child going missing they are tilting at windmills - however when they are not actively involved in searching, especially when the search is in a local area that isn't dangerous to traverse, that is a huge red flag. Perfect example of this was the case of Dylan Redwine, got killed by his estranged dad because he found pictures of his dad in eating faeces out of diapers. Despite the fact he went missing on his dads watch, he didn't search, didn't do anything to look for him. Clear as day he was the murderer, and he was eventually charged and convicted of the murder.
Not searching isn't indicative of guilt. There is the case of the teenage girl who was killed by her friends who wanted to recreate a horror movie. (I feel bad that I forgot her name. I don't remember the perps either. I remember she was babysitting that night.) These boys participated in the search for her. There are dozens of other cases where the murderer/kidnapper took part in the searches for their victims as well... Do they eat? Are they well rested? Do they act like nothing is wrong? Those are bigger indicators. That kind of stress leads you to lacking an appetite. You don't feel hunger so you don't eat much, if anything. You are unable to get any real rest. Waking up constantly, beating yourself up for any actions you did or did not take leading up to it. You are shaken, have trouble functioning normally. Your mind is elsewhere and you will often break down randomly as the thoughts and fears overwhelm you.
@@TryssemTavern You've flipped this on its head. I never said searching was indicative of innocence, I said that not searching - unless there is a clear reason not to, such as treacherous terrain - is indicative of guilt. Sure, guilty parties will try and act normal, or even supportive, to cover their tracks - but families rarely conclude their loved ones are dead until there is no other conclusion available to them. With this in mind, they have every incentive to search - those who don't usually do this because they know the individual is dead. This urge to believe against almost all odds that someone isn't dead is seen in all sorts of situations - it took a long time for many of the families who lost someone on Malaysian Airlines MH370 to accept this, simply because there wasn't a body. However, if an airliner didn't land then barring some miracle everyone on it died.
You're too generous with Paulides. He might have been earnest at first but now there's books to sell, movies to sell, podcasts and conventions to be paid to speak at. Whatever he was, he is a grifter now.
@@audibjornsson6107 He's been a grifter since day one. Autograph scam during his LEO career, bigfoot DNA scam(Ketchum), and now he has nested into the missing person genre.
he's a complete and utter hack. nearly all of his videos turned into spending half an hour ranting about how much he loves the republican party and then several missing persons' cases he tries to make supernatural but then has a cop out with "I'm not saying what happened!".
I've always felt that D.P. may have been well meaning at one point, but now that this is his job, he more often needs to side with money and what sells then 100% factual evidence.
Thank you for putting the check on D.P. he does some good work & critical feedback and checks is important. And he always acts like the man who has no issues with folks who don't agree but this is just not true at all. A few years ago, after I've been supporting his work for many years, I very respectfully pushed back on an idea he was going to far with from my perspective. I explained this, ya know just want to share. He blasted me in a personal message and blocked me from his Twitter. He is not the man he goes out of his way to sell. Good work
Same thing happened to me. I very politely tried to debate him on twitter and he called me a liar and blocked me. He talks about being open-minded, critical thinking, “kindness revolution” but practices none of this. I appreciate his work and bringing awareness to this topic but he is very much a narcissistic jerk.
I’ve gotta say I think I’ve been enjoying this channel a lot more since you became more critical of missing 411. But more importantly this case leaves me so angry and heartbroken. Her father tried so hard to find her just for her to be gone you almost get the sense he didn’t want to find her body because he wanted the hope that she was still alive and out there somewhere. It’s so infuriating that whoever did this to her got away Scot free (unless there was some local justice dished out we never found out about) for the sake of protecting some moonshiners. I hope those people never got a good nights sleep for the rest of their lives.
I might go explore that area next week. We're headed on a camping/shooting trip to a private gun range in the mountains near there. We're not shooting every day. We'll be taking a few days to explore and hike.
I'm half listening to this while working. At 12:45... "I did reach out to Wendigoon to ask if this was him but I've received a response." I laughed out loud so hard I had to stop work.
Next question, are there any explicitly similar cases in the same time period and geographic area? Cuz those of a persuasion don’t usually stop at one…
Sebastian Roger's mother was the last person to see him. She doesn't search. She left his house to be with her husband when Sebastian first went missing. Who does that?
Very interesting video to see! I’m from LaFollette and never heard of this. I’m going to send this video to my dad and stepmom. They will love hearing about this! Great video as always!
Strange how this is Kingsport, and with a sheriff Lawson , summer wells vanished around the same area and the sheriff is R Lawson in 2021, his own son is a registered RSO and the sheriff said Summer could have walked away and got lost or eaten by a bear , with no proof what so ever , not even one drop of blood . Something is going on in Tennessee it seems.and it's no longer moon shine, but something to do with cooking crystals .imo
In small southern towns everyone knows who the perverts are and what they will do. I would like to know if any adults in that area went missing shortly after Minnie was found. Maybe the sheriff and his jury applied some good old fashioned vigilante justice on Minnie's' behalf as it wouldn't be unheard of, especially in that era.
11:11 Same logic applies to the myth that baby rattlesnakes/baby (insert venomous snake here) are more dangerous because they can’t control their venom/their venom is more concentrated. Lots of lies told to prevent kids from playing with snakes that no one ever questioned.
As a father with young daughters, the very idea of someone so tiny and innocent coming to harm... a man fights tears and feels righteous indignation at just the thought.
Thank you, I don't want paranormal nonsense even suggested when a missing child is found unclothed and deceased in an unusual part of the woods. It's disrespectful and dishonest.
One of my favorite sayings is "trust but verify". What that means to me is that the "official" story is just that, a story, until there is actually evidence to back it up. In addition, by nature of being human, everything has the danger of becoming "routine" and once that happens, it's very easy for even the best people to make mistakes due to either complacency or just a misguided attempt to "streamline" the "routine".
On the topic of Gabby petito, that was the first video of yours I ever watched and I’ve been a fan ever since. It popped up on recommended sidebar when I was deep, deep into heavily following everything goin on then. I related a lot to her.. I appreciate all the hard work you and your crew do. All the sources you guys go through, facts you check, everything.. it means a lot. I can’t imagine how hard that is! Also: very far from a coffee snob but I bought the lore lodge coffee months ago and loved it! Actually running low now. Will have to order some more soon! :) cheers to you guys!
Hey Aiden, I totally agree with you on this case particularly. The poor girl was definitely taken and assaulted. Sheriff likely didn’t want to traumatize the family further by revealing her assault. The makeshift jury was weird, but the moonshiners explanation possibly explains why. I also agree that these type cases are fu. The victims deserve better. ❤
The socks inside the shoes - did her parents teach her to do that? Not all people do that because they usually wash their socks after each wear. Would help determine if she was alone knowing if that was part of her routine 🤔
One thing that I thought about is a lecture we had on homicide victims when there was SA involved (I’m a forensic science major). We were told to look for defensive wounds on the lower part of the body (i.e. legs and feet) rather than the typical arms and hands. I wonder if some of her lower body wounds could have been defensive wounds.
One of your best shows ever. Weird to think that only about a month after Minnie's disappearance.... Ed Gein's horrific crimes would be discovered in Wisconsin.
David P. I have seen him beg people to run his channel in the background just to get his views up, then once he gain notoriety say don't bother to contact me for an event unless you can purchase my wife and I's flights, meals, and hotels. I have also seen information bent to suit his needs. I never watch him anymore. I have lost all respect for David Palladis.
Regarding Sebastian Rogers I also think the step dad is involved but I’ve always heard on other channels that he was away working . So what makes you so suspicious of him , how could he have harmed Sebastian?
I think he's involved in the cover-up of Katie's actions. However, I don't think there's any proof he was out of town other than their word. And their word is worth crap. I agree these parents never even looked for their son! Why would they tho if they know he's dead and gone. 😢
@@pettykittyfam but surely if he was working his boss would know . I’m just got the feeling that Aiden thinks it’s the step dad so I wondered if I had missed something as I’m in the uk so not necessarily getting all the updates. Poor Sebastian didn’t stand a chance with those two . But his dad wanted him to live with him so why didn’t they let him go instead of harming him ?
@@animallover1297He's got a schrodinger's job situation and you think he's reporting to a boss that knows? Everything that man says contradicts something else he says and even still he admits to hitting him. He himself makes us suspicious.
Budd totally agree, as adults we forget how nimble and agile we were as children, when i was 8 i could easily climb the tallest trees, i used to climb a tree close to my house than jump from the branch to the roof, when ur a child u are light, much easier to navigate difficult obstacles, and i too am suspicious of the Sheriff
Aidan I love the thorough research you put in on these cases far more than Paulides does. I believe the sheriff is sketchy and is covering up his involvement or someone he knows is involved. After watching this video I understand why you don't always trust law enforcement. Great Job on this one Aidan and Lore Lodge!❤👍🏾👏🏾
The Lore Lodge has a little way of bringing something new and genuinely valuable to every case, even if they're just reviews more than actual investigations.
Her taking off her overalls and panties makes sense, if we keep in mind she was wearing overalls. As does her removing her shoes. If she needed to relieve herself, I could totally picture her removing her overalls and panties prior to doing her business, as one, overalls aren't really designed for young girls to wear, or use the bathroom with. Second, she likely didn't have much in the way of clothing, and wouldn't want to accidentally stain her underwear. She also might remove her shoes, as poor country folk tried to make their shoes last as long as possible. Same for socks. So, she has to go to the bathroom, removes her overalls and panties, and holds onto those while she's using the restroom not far from her shoes. Then something startles her, or scares her. This could be anything from a Black Bear, or Coyote, to potentially a Cougar, or even a angry bobcat... all which are native to the region. Without thinking she grabs up her clothing and takes off running through the underbrush, scratching up her lower body before she slips and falls off the cliff. Her clothing just happening to naturally fall in the place it was found.
That could be what happened. It is definitely in the realm of possibility and probability. And, in some ways, I hope it was something like that-in that it was a quick and hopefully, not painful death for the poor girl. Although, I wish that the sheriff had given Minnie Haun the respect she deserved by examining her cause of death better. How he did it was in a manner of a farce to her and the spirit of justice.
@@zym1ck60 Seeing it in every explanation of a case, where it's not even suggested as having happened? That's a mental illness. There was ZERO indication in the story that this happened, and her state of undress is something that has long been the subject of theory. The big question being, is there a reasonable explanation within the context of the case, which can explain what is seen. You'd understand that, if you'd ever worked any kind of actual investigation. You don't look to one potential solution, based on personal beliefs or biases. Rather, you look at all angles, including those which seem implausible at the time. Then, you look to the evidence, and question if the evidence fits the various theories. Since there never was evidence that points to what you suggest, that one has to be ruled out. Were there an autopsy, or anything that suggested otherwise, then yes, it would remain valid. However, as we do not have that, and this case happened 67 years ago, getting such performed is impossible. Thus we must look at the evidence we DO have, and establish a plausible theory on what happened. A theory just as I have presented, based on knowledge about common practices among rural young people at the time.
Sebastian Rogers father, SETH ROGERS, had not stopped trying to find his son. The disgraceful bio mother & STEP father, have not done nothing, except pack and move..
Those shirts SLAP. I'm bummed I have to budget for back to school shopping for my kiddo, or mama would be getting herself new shinies. Hope they're up for a while so I can snag one! My late grandpa was a professional taxidermist and avid hunter, and I'm a true crime/cold case nut, so this design hits the high notes for me for sure.
Okay, okay... I give in. David's work, while seemingly well-intentioned, is complete and utter 💩 it's one thing to use creative writing skills to make a story more interesting but to ignore such blatantly obvious child SA is where I draw the line. Thank you for investigating his investigations and helping put an end to the gaslighting. 2024 - The Year of Truths
I just love this channel and these guys. I love how it's a team effort that includes the producer just as much as the host. I've been hooked since the first video I watched. Hell yeah 🤘🏼🤘🏼
Cant get enough of this channel since being introduced by the appearance on unsubscribe. Keep up the great work and the fantastic hooks at the beginning of the videos.
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Paulides is definetly a grifter. Look at the merch he sells. He actually would charge 10 bucks for him to grade your 'bigfoot exam'. Can you hear PT Barnum saying, 'watch my bigfoot videos if you want to pass my exam!'? He sold posters autographed by his late son. He could have gave them away to family members or fans, but he $old them. Seriously, take a look at his comment section. Not only does he try his best to 'protect' the villagers from the truth/criticism, but for some reason, he has stooped to spending a lot of time addressing people who claim they have been unsubbed, or, unsubbed and only get notifications, or, are subbed and get no notificaions. Think about that some.
Yeah if it wasn’t for him I probably wouldn’t have my TH-cam channel insane disappearances‼️, and never would have covered the mysterious vanishing of Madison Maddy Scott. But then I feel I was meant to create this TH-cam channel for purposes, no matter how creepy the stories of the evidence is because there is room for truth, even if they truth is harsh, which is by the way..
Loved the channel. Hoping one day you drop a Lore Lodge Sweatshirt
@@TheLoreLodge do you think somebody actually murdered a child four people are known for when they suffered a hypothermia to take off their clothes feel warm
It's honestly baffling how blatantly this horrific crime was completely buried. A child is found with injuries specifically to her lower body, her pants and underwear removed, and "fallen" off a cliff that she probably shouldn't have been able to reach on her own in the first place and the sheriff just goes "yeah, she clearly died of natural causes." Gonna be real hard to convince me the sheriff wasn't directly involved in her disappearance. If he wasn't the one that took her then at the very least he probably knew who did and was covering for them.
There are so many crimes that get completely buried. Trust me, I have witnessed it first hand.
@@GoneHogWildcheckout the military. They love to cover up rape.
This was my thought as well
They’re covering for some buddy of theirs
Or he's a pos who doesn't want the pressure or work required of a murder investigation...
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Especially back in the 50s n shit,where people were already stigmatized behind close doors,or just u keep ur mouth shut now...im so glad to see sumone strait up explain the real narrative without discretion. Rite on, and may that poor poor little girl rest with GOD 😢
I cannot comprehend how anyone could see a tiny little thing like this child and the thought of harming her cross their mind. It's unfathomable to me
psychopaths and selfishness.
Psychopaths have no empathy and pedophiles don't see an innocent child. They see a sex object.
we will never understand because they are sick in the head
Sick people, and sadly there is too many of them.
I know, poor baby. may she rest easy
@@motherurck7542 Also sadly I think there's always been a good number of people like that, people with no remorse and just want to satisfy themselves. Throughout history it's always been like that but nowadays people are finally starting to protect women and children and enforce against these people.
Regarding the Proudfoot’s not looking for their son you are so right. My 14 year old son was missing for a week this March. My husband, who is his stepdad, and I were out every moment of every day searching for him. We took turns napping, we barely ate, we handed out flyers and put up posters. We drove every where there was a tip and looked there. We did not stop until he was found. We called our jobs on day one and told them we would be in when we found him.
I cannot imagine acting the way they. It goes against every natural instinct a parent has when their child is in danger.
Glad to read that you found your son. 💯 thanks for sharing
If you don’t mind sharing, what happened?
If they didn’t have family to babysit their other young children, maybe they didn’t want to risk losing another child dragging them out into the forest to search with them :/
I’m glad you found your kiddo! I can’t imagine how tough that experience was. May I ask why he went missing?
Sorry to hear this. I hope he was found unharmed .
As someone that has worked with children for over a decade I get tired of seeing statements that a child couldn't have gone further than the search area or the terrain was too harsh. Children as young as this have crazy amounts of energy and can be quite capable at negotiating difficult obstacles.
Yes under circumstances where they might be scared they could well shut down and not go far but it could also potentially fuel them even more. People really underestimate children and what they are capable of
Thank you for being part of the solution! I agree with what you said, and I have personal experiences to share that will back this up.
My 18 month old son was in an early head start classroom made up of 8 kids, with 2 teachers & a "class grandma" (volunteer). He and another little boy who's just a month younger than him, they were the biggest kids in that room. They recently added a 4-month-old, and then a 3-month-old baby to that room. So the adults were adjusting to those itty bittys. And my son learned how to open the windows and move screen so damn well that he taught his big kid friend how to do it, step by step. The teachers noticed this only cuz the friend was so thrilled to do that, he laughed like a maniac and they clapped and celebrated.
Staff looked back on camera footage to see that my son had been quietly working on those windows for a week and a half. He was quickly putting it back if anyone, grown or baby, approached the area. It made me sick to my stomach to see this was at all a thing, but it gets worse- in the last 2 days he was really comfortable with it. He started poking his head out the window, and we could see his little arm waving... No one noticed because he did this in these windows that are barely visible & only accessible from inside of / behind a little indoor wooden baby-playground with a slide & tower. It was in the corner, and they never thought much about those windows. They kept them locked. And they sincerely didn't think babies and toddlers would have enough motivation, dexterity and strength to unlock them.
The head teacher worked at Head start for 35 years and never saw that happen before, even in the prior building with windows that were less complicated. The new building is just one floor, and my son could have fit his body through the cracks in that playground, out the window, and landed with his pull up buns on the ground uninjured 😓 right alongside an extremely dangerous trucking route. If he didn't decide to let this friend in on it & continue quietly becoming the window Ninja, he would have ended up outside & been hit before they even noticed they were missing a kid (cuz they're not going to count the children the same way when they're all in that contained room!) my relatives were very angry with those teachers, but I can understand how they wouldn't have seen this as a possibility. I tried those windows myself when they informed me of this. And I wouldn't have been worried about them either. He didn't even mess with the windows at home, ever, at least by that point he hadn't.
5 months after that happened, he figured out how to fully remove a window from our living room wall... You know, the latches that one must push at the same time to pull the window out and clean it? This was 2 months after moving into a new home, and I never yet did so much as open a window - it was December. I went to the bathroom, and before I could finish tinkles, I heard this big terrifying sound followed by deafening silence. My heart jumped into my throat. I had no clue what it could be, all of the furniture was anchored to walls. And my almost 2 year old was halfway holding the window, but kind of semi pinned up against the sofa as snowflakes fell onto the living room floor. He seems like he was really shook up and freaked out, afraid to try it again- but there was no way I could play games after that. So I got us ready to go, and we went right to the store to buy additional child locks amd alarms for me to affix onto every single window.
And from then on, our potential babysitter list shrunk cuz if a babysitter wasn't open to let me provide them with enough alarms to arm every window in all rooms he had access to in their home, they had to come watch him at our house. If I could underestimate him enough that this could happen, even after the Head start incident, people who aren't exposed to him as often are going to underestimate even worse.
To anyone that is worried after reading this lol, the Dollar tree alarms worked great on our windows. My recommendation is, use $10 to have the peace of mind that this can never happen with your kids, grandkids or any child you leave for literally 1 minute in a child safe room so you can make tinkles.
As the mother of 6, I totally agree with you. The "experts" tend to underestimate the prowess of the little ones.@@marysupernova7780
I swear people don't remember being kids. I easily walked 10+ miles in the wilderness as a kid.
Walked up a mountain when I got lost on my way home from school if that’s any example
Why weren’t there screens on the windows at Head Start? Seems very strange that a childcare facility didn’t have screens in the windows. I’ve worked in childcare for over twenty years and I assure you teachers are CONSTANTLY counting kids, if one goes missing it would be noticed almost immediately.
Poor little girl. The sheriff's whole "let's just vote on what happened" without more analysis suggests to me the same thing to me that you concluded Aidan but also that maybe he knew who did it or was actively involved... horrific.
I find it more likely that he simply knew from experience. They did not have enough evidence to find a culprit. I mean they hardly had enough evidence to even find the child. He could have just thought that it would be better for the family to think their child died in an accident than for the family to know that someone hurt their child and there's no way to catch them.
Even with modern science, I think this case would be hard to solve. No witnesses no proof there was anyone else with her , no DNA .
Yeah, he was involved. The sheriff ordered the body dumped and "found" once he got word the FBI was about to become involved.
You'd think if he was involved directly he wouldn't hide the body where it would be found, but move it far, far away. I think it's more likely he was covering for some reason, though not directly involved.
Have to look into the census For that county Probably Find your culprit there
@@elizaRose8900that’s absolutely ridiculous. There’s no silver lining in lying to her parents. I don’t think that’s for him to decide.
31:15 - NEVER apologize for advocating for and demanding answers when it comes to missing children. Keep being loud.
Exactly
That's not for the sheriff to decide. The parents deserve the truth.
For what gain, though?
"So your little one was raped and murdered. Looks like multiple times over several days. Kept prisoner. We know who probably did it. Boot legers. Yup, the local criminals who live in your area. We have no evidence of who it was. She probably suffered a lot. But we can't pin it on anyone. Now you can sleep with that knowledge. God day mam."
@@PhoenicopterusR Gain?
Spoken like a truly terrible person.
The culture of the time didn't think the way we do now.
@@ThrowAway-ji1cf go ahead and walk me through your reasoning on that.
The deadpan cracks (such as the ones about New Jersey and Wendigoon) really help to add a little levity that isn't at the expense of the victim. I appreciate that.
Well, back then, sometimes these kinds of animals were "strategically relocated to the bottom of a dead mine shaft" without trial, just the old boy justice way.
I approve
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Isn't that just cancel culture? You know, mob deciding that someone is "bad" and then doing everything to ruin his life.
Accidentally falling in an uncovered well happened too.
@@PackRatManiac Yes, "accidentally".
It sounds like the sheriff and "jury" probably ruled it an accident to spare the family the truth. Especially considering that statement about hoping she had been kidnapped by a kind person who just wanted a child.
If I found out they lied about my child's death and let her murderer get away scott free to 'spare my feelings' Id sue
it was the 50s though, suing the police wasn't a thing back then. @@bloodyneptune
@bloodyneptune, they lie all the time about deaths. I live here, and the market across the street burnt to the ground with the owner inside. They claim she unalived herself then burnt it down. I honestly have good reason to believe a cop was involved. It's really sad! Never seen anything like these criminal cops in my life.
@@GoneHogWild Small town PDs are the worst, I've lived in rural towns most of my life and the amount of blatant corruption I have witnessed in my relatively short life is shocking, I can only imagine what they got away with back in the day before people had cellphones and the internet
@@turnermd1302 trust me I agree but I truly believe they unalived someone and burnt her business down to cover the fact that they slashed our tires at our home and threw a explosive at me. I actually said in my video that i would try to get the footage to prove it was that cop.I put a video on TH-cam making that report 30 hours later I was on my way home and the Market was burning with her inside we believe we heard her yell for help. It's awful I wish something would be done! Then the claim there was a gunshot in the 911 calls but I have them and there's no gunshot the whole thing is quite weird. I'm trying to help her family get the truth. They won't even give me public records that I ask for. Also the tbi records are not public record which need to be challenged. Check out the Creekside Market fire on Stinking Creek Rd in lafollette Tennessee
An alternate theory - I have two toddler nieces, and I'm constantly _stunned_ by just how much energy they have and how far they can go if you take your eyes off them for even a second. They are fit and healthy, and have wildly more energy than I (a grown adult) has. Kids that are used to being outside, playing outside, are shockingly good at traversing that terrain, sometimes far better than adults can. (I say that from experience as an outdoors kid, and watching over my nieces.) As for her clothes being off her body and up on the cliff...it could just be that she needed to go to the bathroom, recognised that 'over a ledge' would be okay for using as an impromptu toilet, and simply fell.
I'm learning more and more that we, as adults, don't give able-bodied kids _nearly_ the credit they deserve when it comes to a lot of physical activities. I'm not at all surprised by some of the cases where the child is found literal miles from where they were last seen. A physically-fit kid that's lost, upset, perhaps running on a little bit of adrenaline, and trying to either get home or find someone to help them? Yeah, I could absolutely see them ending up miles away.
That 'over the ledge' bathroom theory is a good one and makes sense.
Former "free range" kid myself. My siblings and myself, as well as our cousins who lived next door, were allowed to roam wherever we wanted all day long. The eldest siblings were "in charge", but they were only four years older than the rest of us. All the adults had full time jobs, so there was really no one else for them to rely on. (Babysitters were not something our parents could afford.) I'd say that from age 7 to age 10, I'd cover probably 5-10 miles a day, depending on where my wanderings took me. We were mostly in the woods and mostly together, though, so we would have had someone to run for help if it was needed. We didn't need to be upset at all to explore the woods miles and miles away from home. We were always back by dark for dinner and baths, so no one ever really worried. Different times (late 1970s to early 1980s), I guess.
Oh, and I should mention that we were always barefoot in our wanderings. Shoes were for school and church.
I agree with most of what you said except as a mom myself with children of about that age, a 4-year-old and a 2-year-old. I have doubts about the child getting that close to the edge of a cliff I have seen in my own children a sometimes extreme aversion to drop offs or heights. And I suppose this could be dependent on individual children, but neither of my children would be able to have gotten their own overalls off. Combined with the fact that no one in the 4 days the girl was alive , heard the crys you would expect from a lost hurt hungry tired 3 year old , I have my doubts that she was alone.
I would find it more believable that she was kidnapped and while helping the child relive herself over the cliffs edge , lost their grip and dropped her.
You have a good point. Kids in general get a second class citizen treatment when it comes to physical agency, intellect, etc. Some of it is for good reason but lets remember that some olympic divisions are dominated by 14 y/os. Little kids don't have a whole lot of weight to pull up when they climb. Sometimes smaller the better.
I remember as a little kid being able to fall shoulder down, almost on my neck. Just got up. Not a scratch despite falling down head first.
And as a little kid I could put both legs behind my head. They told me I wouldn’t be able to do that when I got older.
Preteen, still could. You won't be able to do that when you are older. Persist in my ability to be able to do it through all my teens but am told once more that I won't be able to do it as an adult. Can still do it.
Ironically I think he might have fallen a little bit for the same confirmation bias Paullides is often guilty of given that he has been working on a different child abduction case. The actions of the sheriff are definitely strange and the abduction/assault theory is completely PLAUSIBLE but to insinuate it is the most LIKELY I found to be quite a stretch unless there is specific evidence regarding her injuries that was not disclosed. Paradoxical undressing is another possible explanation for the state of her clothes and it was definitely cold enough for her to experience hypothermia. The fact there were allegedly more bruises on her lower half is also meaningless unless you have some other evidence that points to an assault which I didn’t hear anywhere in the video beyond “she couldn’t have gotten there by herself” which as you and others have mentioned isn’t necessarily true. I want to stress she may very well have been abducted and murdered I just think her wandering off and dying of exposure is far simpler an explanation and more likely.
I’ve been thinking about reaching out to you guys about a girl who went missing in Ojai, CA a month ago or so. She’s about 20, allegedly non-verbal autistic, and whatever information is shared with the public is contradicting. Disappear from an idyllic little town where crime is almost nonexistent, the police wraps up search after a few days, parents can’t decide if the girl is autistic, schizophrenic or both, 0 comments from the authorities… yeah, not weird at all.
what is her name, if it’s available? I’d like to help spread the word about her I hadn’t heard of this case until now. That much major conflicting info is mega weird.
@@notahumanbeing6892 Zyanya Valora
@@ThatEvilHag on the ventura subreddit, someone reported that they Think they may have seen her 3 days later near the 33 & Olive (essentially still ventura avenue) down in ventura. Someone else posted a screenshot from a private Facebook group of a woman that looks like her staring at a truck and looking frightened. If it's her, at that point she'd gotten a jacket. I didn't join the fb group to see if there was more.
The fact the parents can't decide if she was autistic and/or schizophrenic is showing some red flags for me. If she actually had either condition, wouldn't they as her parents know? Unless they were very neglectful of her, which brings up a whole new bucket of worms.
@@FallacyBites yeah, no idea if these sightings were anyhow confirmed. There's a lot of hearsay and no word from the authorities as far as I know. The only updates are regular posts from a cousin (I think?) of the girl to remind people of the situation and plead for clues. There's also a $10k reward now.
Because at first you mentioned that her clothes were found on a cliff, i thought perhaps she was taken by a mountain lion--- they get their prey by the throat so no screaming, can leap at least six feet high, and like to drag their prey far away to eat.
...then you said her body was found by a logging road----so a place accessible to adults, and she was clearly NOT devoured by a large predator....
Argh... so many people Suck.
An animal attack seems very unlikely since her socks had been placed inside her shoes after they were removed.
@@phatphil7836 doh! I forgot to add the bit about her clothes being placed. Sigh... ISTG I'm getting early dementia
Seems she was eaten by a predator all right, just not an animal one.
@@fidgetthecrazy YUUUUUP
back word her shoes on logging road and half a mile away clothes on cliff and her on bottom its so sad
I had to stop listening to Paulides when he tried to suggest the missing indigenous women on the Highway of Tears might be 411 related.
I wouldn't be surprised if he got a lot of backlash for that.
Holy shit he said that?? What planet is this guy on
Paulides clearly is insinuating that it's Bigfoot but is too smart to actually say it directly
I don't know about you, but I could easily see that as wishful thinking.
LMFAOOO
I agree about David, he did a story near where I live today. Some of the information was incorrect and I mentioned this in several comments, but to my surprise, my comments were deleted because they didn’t match his theory. I’ve also seen other commenters say the exact same thing.
Oh he will delete your comments 😂😂 He's a grouchy old man
Sounds like he banned ya from the comment section, but he does police it rather methodically.
Paulides is at best, a zealots who can't see past his own goofball theories. Or at worst, a cynical book salesman, who's top priority is creating COMPETING spook stories, to move product.
This channel may be too pollite to say it outright, but I don't care.
"Missing 411" is a collection of unrelated tragedies, many with pretty obvious, mundane explanations, and many genuinely baffling and unsolved. But in a nation of 400 million, with a century+ of data to source, it would be more weird and suspicious, if there WASN'T at least a few thousand baffling, insolved missing persons cases.
That is so wrong.
@@deerichardzhe got mad at a comment i made and i unsubscribed.and it wasn't a comment about him or anything personal.
Another story to look into Jpdi Huisentrut (i think it is spelled correctly or as close as i can). She was a news anchor who disappeared gping to her car to go to work. The only thing fpund by her car was a bent key in car lock. One red high heel and a curling iron.
yes! it's Jodi Huisentruit disappeared June 27, 1995 from Mason City, IA. reported signs of struggle in her apartment. Never found
Yes, I believe they currently have a reward up for anyone who has any information about her disappearance, all these years later
That case has been covered 100 times.
@@heathernikki5734 But Lore Lodge hasn't done it
Guaranteed it would be amazing.
@@heathernikki5734I've never heard of it
As a father to a daughter, this infuriates me in so many facets.
Unfortunately some parents kidnap their own kids too.
It’s horrifying to think what was done to her. It literally makes me sick. I wish people like that could be dealt with by fathers…
I love how much Lore Aiden makes every active, or true crime, case he covers personal to him. It's a drive that many people, who actually get paid for it, lack.
I agree, I also love his whole attitude in general, the way he talks. I can't really explain it but I'm sure you know what I mean.
And I also like the critical thinking he uses against the conclusions of a David Paulides, who makes a living out of the 'mysterious' 411 phenom. A handful of cases are truly baffling, all right, but most of the others are reducible to very mundane causes or motives.
@@PetarPoparaExacto. I personally believe that quite a few of those disappearances are truly anomalous (as are others throughout the world, evidenced by folklore in my country and even continents away that matches exactly the specific abnormal conditions and events of the really baffling missing 411 cases, suggesting this is a very old phenomenon), but David tries to jam every single disappearance into that very tiny category of actually insane cases. More than that, he defines a supposedly specific and rigorous, but in fact completely dumbo and vague list of traits that he can use to lump countless disappearance cases into his "clusters".
So even as a believer in "the anomalous" (I hesitate to say paranormal), I have to agree with guys like you that people like Paulides do nothing but damage with their theories. They make it extremely difficult for me to argue any anomalous cases (be it Missing 411 or other things), because they've essentially poisoned the well.
@@PetarPopara Could you list some of the baffling cases? Truly interested.
@@deerichardz I'm not particularly good with names, but those of Deor Kuntz, Thomas Machik, Jared Negrete or Jaryd Atadero are doing the rounds among the aficionados. Mind you, simply by omitting a detail these cases can be moved from the category 'tragically banal' to 'baffling.' Bottom line: every narrative has already been imaginatively narrated in the mind of the witnesses before it first gets put into actual words (according to Derrida).
If not for other context, it could be possible that poor little girl undressed herself trying to imitate her usual night-time routine, as routines are very important for children her age. In any case, this story is absolutely heartbreaking.
Yes or paradoxical undressing do to hypothermial considering it was October but I'm glad lore lodge covers things like this because I def don't believe it was either of those two things now
Or people dying of frostbite tend to feel hot before passing
@benjocaz45 yes that's paradoxical undressing as already mentioned above
Since the police pretty much did no work, it’s also possible she soiled herself or had to go to the bathroom and then just slipped
Nahhhh.
I'm always confused when people say a child wont be able to go farer than 2 miles. They severely underestimate the panic and endurance a child has when they realize they are lost. I've experienced small kids gotten found beyond 5 miles in a short period of time.
My parents told us kids when we were little that it was illegal to have the dome light on in the car while the car was driving at night.
Oh hey! You too?
Lol same
"Before any [David Paulidies] fans start angerily typing, I used to be one of you-" is such a deep cutting statement given the channel's history. It's like hearing "why haven't you called Jo?" Again.
David Paulides’ stories sound legit….until you look into it yourself. He leaves out important information that goes against his narrative, clearly didn’t grow up or spend any time outdoors, and fails to consider possibilities that are clearly evident. Plus people’s views and opinions evolve with time and additional information. Aidan and the channel has done just that…evolved. He started questioning things….did his own research instead of taking someone else’s word for it and changed his mind on missing 411. Growth is a wonderful thing.
I liked the idea of Dave just drawing correlation and no conclusions. But like 13 books later, this his his retirement plan.
@@adambrain8365 I think he got the $$ he wants out of his '411', and is just carrying on cause his ego won't let him stop and won't let him publish a few books just on corrections, omitted info, and just being wrong.
@@FeliciaSquiresYES! I used to be excited about paulides until I heard several channels and people in the comments call out so many things... And I think I accepted it when I did my own research and had to agree that he made stuff up. The dot on the i was someone saying, if he can't find anything mysterious in a disappearance then he can't put it in a new book and sell it.... I mean that's not a lie. He's definitely tweaking stories.
I highly recommend this, 'Missing 411: Secret Nazi Forest'. Just posted.
If she had to take her overalls off in order to take her underwear off, she might have either soiled herself (little kids can often be taken by surprise by the need to go), or taken her clothes off in order to go to the toilet in the forest without messing her clothes, or because they were messed. As a little kid, you'd have to take your shoes off in order to take your tights or britches off because of the elastic, in order to take your underwear off. And to little kids, going half-naked would be infinitely preferable to trying to put all that crap back on by yourself, especially if you'd soiled yourself. I say this as a child who got lost in a forest as a toddler and was lost for hours, and traversed long distances that surprised the hell out of my parents. When kids go off on their own, they don't stop to consider direction, they just go wherever their curiosity takes them, up, over, under. Tragically, it could easily have been a very sad accident.
If she soiled herself, that would've been in her underwear though. Having to go maybe, but that's a stretch unless there was evidence of her doing so
@@sourgreendolly7685 they don't make any mention of it. Or, she tries to relieve herself. I just don't think it's a natural conclusion to say she was assaulted based on that alone.
Was there elastic on overalls in the 50s? I didn't think there was
When my grandson was two years old (being potty trained), he had to take off all of his bottom clothing, shoes, everything, before he could go potty. you have to wonder if maybe this little girl lost some of her clothes doing the same thing. She should’ve been examined thoroughly and given an autopsy, however, I want to give the sheriff a benefit of the doubt, knowing how things were back then, I’m thinking he may have been trying to spare of the parents as much heartache as possible with his jury. my mother lived in the south during a time when there were a “great many” child abductions. Even though they lived in the country, her family lived near a road and she and her brothers were NEVER permitted to play in the front yard for fear of being snatched. It’s hard to think that someone who’s looking to kidnap a child would go that far into back country to try to snatch a child. So much easier near a road or in a more populated area.
I'm a little late, but whole heartedly agree that Jersey plates=danger 😂
always.
Jersey, only place in the US you have to register your airguns as firearms. And only place where hollow point "cop killer bullets" are banned. It's funny because any police officer will tell you that hollow points are more safe for home defense/self defense... lowers the risk of over penetration by a lot. Hence why they carry the same "cop killer bullets."
Truly is an example of when people who make gun laws don't know anything about guns and will appeal to stupid shit people will say. If they didn’t hate guns, refused to ever use them, they would probably use them maybe a couple times in their life and naturally learn basic facts to the point where they can’t fall prey to superstition.
@@ferrisbueller9991And they say that Florida is a weird place 😂
As someone living in NJ I have to agree 😂😂
Please cover the case of Summer Wells. I know you could bring so much awareness to that poor little girl’s case.
They usually dont do active cases. But with Riley S and Sab Rodgers that may change
I think a civilian will find her in the area or she's been taken somewhere.
I could easily see how she could get lost in these woods. But then her father acted insanely weird and suspicious. Why would you immediately go "she was taken" and not that "we can't find her"?
Copperhead bit my 16 pound dog at least an hour before I found him. He swelled up and had a lot of pain but the emergency vet saved him with plasma infusion. Expensive but not deadly. Doggie doing great seven years later.
Thats great. Now lets talk bout yo mama son 😅
I’ve followed David Paulides for several years now and have read one of his books. In the beginning i found all these disappearances so strange but after listening to other sources, including Lore Lodge many of them seem to have very logical explanations. I still like his work but I think sometimes he can make them seem more strange than they really are.
One thing I noticed about him is that he never accepts any explanations that won't support it. There was a podcast that he explained missing 411 and he kept saying "well animal attacks could explain these cases, but they don't explain these other cases" like his mystery source is the ONLY thing that could be causing disappearances in national parks.
@@enthiegavoir5955exactly. He's eternally "searching" for a catch all explanation for all of them when the explanations probably vary from the criminal to the mundane on a case to case basis. Some are clearly murders or kidnappings while others are very likely just people running away or random accidents. Even the scale of disappearances is overblown. He's acting like it's some massive number but if you take into account the timeframe and then just look up the number of unsolved disappearances in the same timeframe that took place in and around cities the 411 stuff is minuscule. The US is massive and so are its national parks, it's not that strange that a few thousand people have disappeared or died in them over the last 70 years. But I guess when you're a hammer everything looks like a nail.
I remember when he refused to bring up Bigfoot or ufos into this (even though he's written books about Bigfoot before missing 411), and all of a sudden within the last five years, he's alluding to the possibility that Bigfoot and ufos are involved. Has anyone noticed this?
paulides is a fool who made up that 411 crap to sell books. he is full of bs
@@ericpeterson5994-Ya, I noticed !
Man, it hit me so hard when the father was hoping that she was kidnapped just so he could have the comfort of thinking she was at least alive. That's gotta be so heartbreaking.
On the other side of things for the Sebastian Roger's case I would not be surprised if his step dad did not care at all about him. I really do hate to say it but it's so common for step parents to just not give two shits about the kids or even try to get rid of them, whether that be them trying to have the biological parent lose custody, pressuring them to move out, or just straight up abusing them. It's sad but some people really don't want to be the parent that steps up.
Based on the fact that the sheriff immediately ignored the very obvious conclusion I’d say he was probably involved either directly or covering for somebody else. It makes sense seeing that he did not leave the crime since for the entire search. Maybe he wanted to be there so that if she was found he would immediately be able to step in and cover it up like he ended up doing
Another thing to consider is that the idea of people SAing a child is much more unthinkable back then. People probably knew it happened but it's not the first thing they thought of. Or the second or the third. They probably didn't want to imagine that possibility at all.
When I read the title I thought this was going to be about Jaryd Atadero, a three year old who went missing while hiking and was also found under very suspicious circumstances. I'd love to see you guys cover it one day!
I know it's different circumstances. But as someone who works scent dogs, people don't understand how bad they handicap dogs by using them as a last resort. Just get the dogs in there asap. Great job, as always, my guy.
Paulides makes money by doing a rather slipshod job, hinting at the paranormal or some kind of conspiracy. Not that those things are completely out of the question, but he's going for sensationalism. Facts and thorough research are not his thing.
I love these videos as someone who read the 411 stories and very quickly got frustrated with the way the stories were told as someone who has spent time in the woods since childhood so many things didn’t make sense so it’s nice to have these stories be told in a way that reflects reality and can hopefully help answers be found
It is obvious the Sebastian Rogers case hits close to home for you. Which I totally respect and understand. You are doing great work. Thanks
Still the only channel on the platform that’s worth waiting for video premieres!
Missing enigma and Missing void are good
Yup.
A lot of the time when people discuss the behaviour of parents following a child going missing they are tilting at windmills - however when they are not actively involved in searching, especially when the search is in a local area that isn't dangerous to traverse, that is a huge red flag.
Perfect example of this was the case of Dylan Redwine, got killed by his estranged dad because he found pictures of his dad in eating faeces out of diapers. Despite the fact he went missing on his dads watch, he didn't search, didn't do anything to look for him. Clear as day he was the murderer, and he was eventually charged and convicted of the murder.
Not searching isn't indicative of guilt. There is the case of the teenage girl who was killed by her friends who wanted to recreate a horror movie. (I feel bad that I forgot her name. I don't remember the perps either. I remember she was babysitting that night.) These boys participated in the search for her. There are dozens of other cases where the murderer/kidnapper took part in the searches for their victims as well...
Do they eat? Are they well rested? Do they act like nothing is wrong?
Those are bigger indicators. That kind of stress leads you to lacking an appetite. You don't feel hunger so you don't eat much, if anything. You are unable to get any real rest. Waking up constantly, beating yourself up for any actions you did or did not take leading up to it. You are shaken, have trouble functioning normally. Your mind is elsewhere and you will often break down randomly as the thoughts and fears overwhelm you.
@@TryssemTavern
You've flipped this on its head.
I never said searching was indicative of innocence, I said that not searching - unless there is a clear reason not to, such as treacherous terrain - is indicative of guilt.
Sure, guilty parties will try and act normal, or even supportive, to cover their tracks - but families rarely conclude their loved ones are dead until there is no other conclusion available to them. With this in mind, they have every incentive to search - those who don't usually do this because they know the individual is dead.
This urge to believe against almost all odds that someone isn't dead is seen in all sorts of situations - it took a long time for many of the families who lost someone on Malaysian Airlines MH370 to accept this, simply because there wasn't a body. However, if an airliner didn't land then barring some miracle everyone on it died.
You're too generous with Paulides. He might have been earnest at first but now there's books to sell, movies to sell, podcasts and conventions to be paid to speak at. Whatever he was, he is a grifter now.
He fell off the deep end when his son committed suicide.
@@audibjornsson6107 He's been a grifter since day one. Autograph scam during his LEO career, bigfoot DNA scam(Ketchum), and now he has nested into the missing person genre.
I highly recommend this, 'Missing 411: Secret Nazi Forest'. Just posted.
he's a complete and utter hack. nearly all of his videos turned into spending half an hour ranting about how much he loves the republican party and then several missing persons' cases he tries to make supernatural but then has a cop out with "I'm not saying what happened!".
@audibjornsson6107
Who wouldn't? I can't imagine....
Poor Minnie. May a light shine on her soul.
Im aiden mattis and welcome back to the lore lodge!
I love hearing that
I've always felt that D.P. may have been well meaning at one point, but now that this is his job, he more often needs to side with money and what sells then 100% factual evidence.
Thank you for putting the check on D.P. he does some good work & critical feedback and checks is important. And he always acts like the man who has no issues with folks who don't agree but this is just not true at all. A few years ago, after I've been supporting his work for many years, I very respectfully pushed back on an idea he was going to far with from my perspective. I explained this, ya know just want to share. He blasted me in a personal message and blocked me from his Twitter. He is not the man he goes out of his way to sell. Good work
Same thing happened to me. I very politely tried to debate him on twitter and he called me a liar and blocked me. He talks about being open-minded, critical thinking, “kindness revolution” but practices none of this. I appreciate his work and bringing awareness to this topic but he is very much a narcissistic jerk.
The editing in this video is FANTASTIC. Keep it up, gents! Well done!
I appreciate it, thank you! - Thornbury
I’ve gotta say I think I’ve been enjoying this channel a lot more since you became more critical of missing 411.
But more importantly this case leaves me so angry and heartbroken. Her father tried so hard to find her just for her to be gone you almost get the sense he didn’t want to find her body because he wanted the hope that she was still alive and out there somewhere.
It’s so infuriating that whoever did this to her got away Scot free (unless there was some local justice dished out we never found out about) for the sake of protecting some moonshiners. I hope those people never got a good nights sleep for the rest of their lives.
I haven’t watched the full video yet but the amount of detail that goes into these videos is amazing!
Oh wow!
it’s not often where I live is mentioned anywhere!
There’s so many crazy cases and history in north-eastern TN and southeastern KY
Yeah I know it totally needs to be mentioned more and we need outside people to investigate things that happen here.
I might go explore that area next week. We're headed on a camping/shooting trip to a private gun range in the mountains near there. We're not shooting every day. We'll be taking a few days to explore and hike.
I'm half listening to this while working. At 12:45... "I did reach out to Wendigoon to ask if this was him but I've received a response." I laughed out loud so hard I had to stop work.
Next question, are there any explicitly similar cases in the same time period and geographic area? Cuz those of a persuasion don’t usually stop at one…
Sebastian Roger's mother was the last person to see him. She doesn't search. She left his house to be with her husband when Sebastian first went missing. Who does that?
Born and raised close to this area.. thanks for covering these cases! I appreciate your work!!
I dont trust a word that comes from Davids mouth. Hes a washed up has been.
Very interesting video to see! I’m from LaFollette and never heard of this. I’m going to send this video to my dad and stepmom. They will love hearing about this! Great video as always!
Thank you for covering these things. Sincerely. They HAVE TO BE drawn attention to x
Horrible ending to this story. Thank you for caring & making videos.
Strange how this is Kingsport, and with a sheriff Lawson , summer wells vanished around the same area and the sheriff is R Lawson in 2021, his own son is a registered RSO and the sheriff said Summer could have walked away and got lost or eaten by a bear , with no proof what so ever , not even one drop of blood . Something is going on in Tennessee it seems.and it's no longer moon shine, but something to do with cooking crystals .imo
Very good point 💜
Something stinks in tennessee!Tennessee!! To many children going missing and no one being held for the crime. Yes I said crime.
In small southern towns everyone knows who the perverts are and what they will do. I would like to know if any adults in that area went missing shortly after
Minnie was found. Maybe the sheriff and his jury applied some good old fashioned vigilante justice on Minnie's' behalf as it wouldn't be unheard of, especially in that era.
11:11 Same logic applies to the myth that baby rattlesnakes/baby (insert venomous snake here) are more dangerous because they can’t control their venom/their venom is more concentrated. Lots of lies told to prevent kids from playing with snakes that no one ever questioned.
As a father with young daughters, the very idea of someone so tiny and innocent coming to harm... a man fights tears and feels righteous indignation at just the thought.
The Jersey drive shade is amazing
Thank you, I don't want paranormal nonsense even suggested when a missing child is found unclothed and deceased in an unusual part of the woods. It's disrespectful and dishonest.
the only channel i watch live
One of my favorite sayings is "trust but verify". What that means to me is that the "official" story is just that, a story, until there is actually evidence to back it up.
In addition, by nature of being human, everything has the danger of becoming "routine" and once that happens, it's very easy for even the best people to make mistakes due to either complacency or just a misguided attempt to "streamline" the "routine".
David P embellishes in outlandish ways sometimes to make the narrative fit his ideas.
On the topic of Gabby petito, that was the first video of yours I ever watched and I’ve been a fan ever since. It popped up on recommended sidebar when I was deep, deep into heavily following everything goin on then. I related a lot to her..
I appreciate all the hard work you and your crew do. All the sources you guys go through, facts you check, everything.. it means a lot. I can’t imagine how hard that is!
Also: very far from a coffee snob but I bought the lore lodge coffee months ago and loved it! Actually running low now. Will have to order some more soon! :) cheers to you guys!
Thank you for your amazing and informative content!
I live in the Kingsport area and have never heard this story sad to hear how the girls death was not properly investigated
Children deserve better.
You're so amazing at this!! If i go missing in the woods i want you to investigat it!!!
Hey Aiden, I totally agree with you on this case particularly. The poor girl was definitely taken and assaulted. Sheriff likely didn’t want to traumatize the family further by revealing her assault. The makeshift jury was weird, but the moonshiners explanation possibly explains why.
I also agree that these type cases are fu. The victims deserve better. ❤
Im so happy you’re still thinking about Sebastian !! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
The socks inside the shoes - did her parents teach her to do that? Not all people do that because they usually wash their socks after each wear. Would help determine if she was alone knowing if that was part of her routine 🤔
One thing that I thought about is a lecture we had on homicide victims when there was SA involved (I’m a forensic science major). We were told to look for defensive wounds on the lower part of the body (i.e. legs and feet) rather than the typical arms and hands. I wonder if some of her lower body wounds could have been defensive wounds.
One of your best shows ever. Weird to think that only about a month after Minnie's disappearance.... Ed Gein's horrific crimes would be discovered in Wisconsin.
You have gotten way better at siting sources. Great work guys. Keep it up
David P. I have seen him beg people to run his channel in the background just to get his views up, then once he gain notoriety say don't bother to contact me for an event unless you can purchase my wife and I's flights, meals, and hotels. I have also seen information bent to suit his needs. I never watch him anymore. I have lost all respect for David Palladis.
He then cries on TH-cam that long time friends want nothing to do with him! Hmm I wonder why?
I love this. you're quoting my local newspapers 😊 I love hearing stories about these mountains. thank you for your research and good story telling
The wendigoon reference took me out 😂😂😂
your consistency is so impressive man... kudos
Regarding Sebastian Rogers I also think the step dad is involved but I’ve always heard on other channels that he was away working . So what makes you so suspicious of him , how could he have harmed Sebastian?
I think he's involved in the cover-up of Katie's actions. However, I don't think there's any proof he was out of town other than their word. And their word is worth crap.
I agree these parents never even looked for their son!
Why would they tho if they know he's dead and gone.
😢
@@pettykittyfam but surely if he was working his boss would know . I’m just got the feeling that Aiden thinks it’s the step dad so I wondered if I had missed something as I’m in the uk so not necessarily getting all the updates. Poor Sebastian didn’t stand a chance with those two . But his dad wanted him to live with him so why didn’t they let him go instead of harming him ?
@@animallover1297He's got a schrodinger's job situation and you think he's reporting to a boss that knows? Everything that man says contradicts something else he says and even still he admits to hitting him. He himself makes us suspicious.
Budd totally agree, as adults we forget how nimble and agile we were as children, when i was 8 i could easily climb the tallest trees, i used to climb a tree close to my house than jump from the branch to the roof, when ur a child u are light, much easier to navigate difficult obstacles, and i too am suspicious of the Sheriff
Aidan I love the thorough research you put in on these cases far more than Paulides does. I believe the sheriff is sketchy and is covering up his involvement or someone he knows is involved. After watching this video I understand why you don't always trust law enforcement. Great Job on this one Aidan and Lore Lodge!❤👍🏾👏🏾
Thank you for addressing that “bloodthirsty” quote. That was confusing…
This is such a horrible thing that happened.
The Lore Lodge has a little way of bringing something new and genuinely valuable to every case, even if they're just reviews more than actual investigations.
Her taking off her overalls and panties makes sense, if we keep in mind she was wearing overalls. As does her removing her shoes. If she needed to relieve herself, I could totally picture her removing her overalls and panties prior to doing her business, as one, overalls aren't really designed for young girls to wear, or use the bathroom with. Second, she likely didn't have much in the way of clothing, and wouldn't want to accidentally stain her underwear. She also might remove her shoes, as poor country folk tried to make their shoes last as long as possible. Same for socks. So, she has to go to the bathroom, removes her overalls and panties, and holds onto those while she's using the restroom not far from her shoes. Then something startles her, or scares her. This could be anything from a Black Bear, or Coyote, to potentially a Cougar, or even a angry bobcat... all which are native to the region. Without thinking she grabs up her clothing and takes off running through the underbrush, scratching up her lower body before she slips and falls off the cliff. Her clothing just happening to naturally fall in the place it was found.
That could be what happened. It is definitely in the realm of possibility and probability. And, in some ways, I hope it was something like that-in that it was a quick and hopefully, not painful death for the poor girl.
Although, I wish that the sheriff had given Minnie Haun the respect she deserved by examining her cause of death better. How he did it was in a manner of a farce to her and the spirit of justice.
Justifying Pedophilia is crazy
@@zym1ck60this isn’t justifying pedophilia, justifying pedophilia would be if we KNEW this was a rape, and we don’t know yet at all.
@@zym1ck60 Seeing it in every explanation of a case, where it's not even suggested as having happened? That's a mental illness. There was ZERO indication in the story that this happened, and her state of undress is something that has long been the subject of theory. The big question being, is there a reasonable explanation within the context of the case, which can explain what is seen.
You'd understand that, if you'd ever worked any kind of actual investigation. You don't look to one potential solution, based on personal beliefs or biases. Rather, you look at all angles, including those which seem implausible at the time. Then, you look to the evidence, and question if the evidence fits the various theories. Since there never was evidence that points to what you suggest, that one has to be ruled out. Were there an autopsy, or anything that suggested otherwise, then yes, it would remain valid. However, as we do not have that, and this case happened 67 years ago, getting such performed is impossible. Thus we must look at the evidence we DO have, and establish a plausible theory on what happened.
A theory just as I have presented, based on knowledge about common practices among rural young people at the time.
This was my fav lore lodge episode in months 🙏👏
Sebastian Rogers father, SETH ROGERS, had not stopped trying to find his son. The disgraceful bio mother & STEP father, have not done nothing, except pack and move..
As someone who grew up in jersey and lived there for 25 years. You're absolutely correct sir.
Those shirts SLAP. I'm bummed I have to budget for back to school shopping for my kiddo, or mama would be getting herself new shinies. Hope they're up for a while so I can snag one! My late grandpa was a professional taxidermist and avid hunter, and I'm a true crime/cold case nut, so this design hits the high notes for me for sure.
9:35 compassion beyond measure.
Okay, okay... I give in. David's work, while seemingly well-intentioned, is complete and utter 💩 it's one thing to use creative writing skills to make a story more interesting but to ignore such blatantly obvious child SA is where I draw the line.
Thank you for investigating his investigations and helping put an end to the gaslighting.
2024 - The Year of Truths
I just love this channel and these guys. I love how it's a team effort that includes the producer just as much as the host. I've been hooked since the first video I watched. Hell yeah 🤘🏼🤘🏼
David Paulides is trying to keep people buying his books.
(They are on The Internet Archive, BTW.)
aidans, thanks for all of the great content and always being open to help, even when unexpected!
Cant get enough of this channel since being introduced by the appearance on unsubscribe. Keep up the great work and the fantastic hooks at the beginning of the videos.
I love how passionate you are.
David does blame a lot on the paranormal instead of looking at the facts