Hey, if you're still trying to figure out the algorithm stuff, idk why but I'm subscribed with the notification bell set to "all" and I didn't get a notification for this vid or premier on my phone whereas I got one for Wendigoon's Cthulhu vid which was released around the same time. When I opened the app and checked my notifications, it was there and it was also on my feed, but it didn't notify my phone. Maybe I'm missing something but if not, I wouldn't be surprised if y'all are shadow banned or something.
As an Eagle Scout I have known some extremely unprepared guys who thought they knew all there is to know about survival. Not all scouts have equal skills, but the worst almost always believe they’re the best.
i was a cub scout and our senior troop leader was a useless alcoholic, who just happened to be one of my classmates and fellow scouts father. one night the whole troop and our parents showed up to his house for a meeting, and the dude answered the door in his underwear and told us "sorry i forgot we had a meeting and ive already turned in for the night" and we all went home, and i never went back, it really soured my families confidence in the scouts, there was no way in hell they were going to let my diabetic ass go on a camping trip with that drunk bastard as troop leader. is it common to have meetings at the troop leaders residences? ive always thought it was odd that we met there i thought the scouts met in a park or a recreation center in hind sight.
This is why the “Buddy System” is pushed so hard in modern scouting. When I was in, you didn’t go anywhere in the wilderness without at least one other person with you.
Agreed and same here. The only exception was if everyone was asleep and you needed to releave yourself on a tree in the middle of the night about a couple of yards from the tent.
I was never even in any Scouting program and I always knew to use a buddy system. It seems like it should just be common sense to not go off into the wilderness alone because what happens if you, for example, fall and break an ankle or whatever and no one is there to help? You just die, that's what happens. But I guess common sense isn't always so common, unfortunately.
Yeah, whenever I hear any of these Stories about things happening to Boy scouts I'm Always reminded about the buddy system in the scouts and it was something that I as A Certified camp administrator and somebody who taught wood badge but does not have wood badge As to why the buddy system is so important and why I remember having to say it's so often to hammer it into people's heads Because the scouts have had so many things happen like this Even after the fact that it's been hammered so much into people's heads they still do it and still go missing and get hurt
Not a bad system to maintain as an adult either. It's not so much about "how prepared and experienced" you are, it's more about sometimes life's gonna land you knee deep in some S**t, and it's better to have a buddy around when it happens. Anecdotal Evidence: When I was a wee scout, at one of the large jamboree campouts, two dads went out on a hike together. One of them had been going to go out alone when the children in that troop uno reversed him with the buddy system card. So another Dad went along with him. 20 or 30 minutes later, one of them comes sprinting back alone to gather help. Dad 1 had suffered a heart attack, and Dad 2 had ran back to camp to get help. Thankfully Dad 2 was actually able to call 911 as Dad 1 was experiencing the heart attack. But we were still in the mountains, a decent ways from civilization. Second thankfully, there happened to be a rather weird amount of retired paramedics and combat medics from the military there. A contingent of 10 men hiked out to rescue Dad 1 and bring him to the entrance of the campsite for when the ambulance arrived. Dad 1 survived and made a full recovery, and I saw him several more times over the years. The point is, when you're out in the wilderness, it's worth it to have a partner along for the ride.
Nother Eagle Scout here chiming in about that extremely bad judgement call from that Scout Master. Not only the boy on the trail, but also the one left alone back at camp as well? Horribly against BSA standard. My father was Scout Master of our troop for many years, and he always candidly told me his biggest fear was losing a boy and having to face the family. The buddy system can't do its job a mile apart. I find it so hard to believe he really thought that was a good idea, even for back in the 70's.
Agreed everything about the situation is really off im only 29 but I don't think the "buddy system" or general scout like behavior was that different in the 70's. Shoot even in "Follow me Boys" they wouldn't leave 1 person to Finnish cleaning up camp....
I love how tired, sweaty and drained of life Aidan looks and then Wendigoon just looks like he's glowing. Aidan must have hiked out there with Isiah on his back lol
Good luck and take care! If we don't hear form you in the comments in a month, we'll hear about you on the program in a year! Seriously though, do take care and enjoy yourself!
How much of it are you doing? Surely you’re not trying to do the whole thing in a month. The fastest known time is 41 days. Edit: just read your response lol. Best of luck on your journey! I did the AT a couple years ago, it was an incredible experience.
Wtf were they thinking, if one person stops, then everyone stops. It’s not like they can leave without him anyways. I guess it’s nice being able to chill at the car, but it doesn’t justify leaving someone behind. Just be patient and wait a few minutes.
I'm from Norway. With endless dark and cold winter. I live just outside Oslo. A 10-minute ride on my electric bike and I'm in the endless forests, which stretch like a belt all the way to Siberia. I have a herd of deer and several birds of prey just outside my kitchen window. Fortunately, the forest roads are good for cycling and we have few dangerous animals, but an unnatural beauty just a short walk outside the capital. Outdoor life is part of our lifestyle. Whether it's just a short trip, or a long one. I am 65 years old and have grown up with the wilderness just a short walk from my home. You are most welcome to Norway to experience either a beautiful summer or a really tough and harsh winter. 🥶
@@Joanne-i7q I will admit they have said things some people wouldn't agree with myself included but I do feel it's great they did so much to help others.
Him being found with a one boot, a sock, and jacket off leads me to think he took a spill into the creek. He either slipped or was trying to cross and fell in. He might have gotten out on the rock his gear was found on and searched through his pack to find if his matches were dry. Usually when you pack your sleeping bag is at the bottom of your pack and the hard items towards your back. The matches may have been stowed with his cook kit necessitating the removal of some items to reach them, this coupled with a sleeping bag that absorbed water would have firced him to abandon some things but not before he took what he thought necessary. The boot, sock, and jacket could have been taken off in an attempt to wring them out and continue on but exhaustion and hypothermia overcame him and he didn't make it back up.
as a Boy Scout I have heard stories of just the dumbest people being the most confident on an unrelated note, one of my favorite stories about the older scouts when I was first entering the troop is our at the time SPL smashing a hole in an cabin with a sledgehammer to kill a cockroach
That's just our culture. The stupidest, laziest among us always think they're the best. I have a couple employees who genuinely think they can do my job but can barely manage their own minimal tasks lol
He might have gone off trail to go to the bath room. If it was number 2 , he might have slipped while squatting down the ravine. When he said he needed to rest, it might have been a polite way to get some privacy to poop.
They were experienced Scouts, he would say "I'm need to take a dump". Now could be he was tired and decided to take a bathroom break and from there got lost/disoriented.
On my first winter campout, which also happened to be my first campout with the Boy Scouts, I managed to: 1. Get horribly sick (unrelated to point two) 2. Watch one of the adult leaders turn our entire pot mashed potatoes GRAY with pepper. 3. Learned the sage wisdom of "Never cook bacon with your shirt off." 4. Learned to fire a shoulder mounted PVC potato launcher. 10/10 great experience.
I don't know who in their right mind ever thought it was a good idea to leave a 16-year-old by himself to rest in the woods. Trailer no trail. Four years experience or not. He was still just a kid. Three miles away is a long way. Whoever did that was insanely stupid.
Imagine your just living your life, your a normal person. And years after you die people online are calling you a idiot for something you did in the woods when you where 16.
@@satohime I am giving you this commendation for outstanding work on the force! You're exactly the type of officers we are looking for here at the grammar police corps. I have handed out my fair share of tickets, but never 4 citations in one comment so short. well done!
Never heard of Nexpo gonna check them out! I watched Wendigoon steadily for a year and then on and off for another year before I eventually stumbled across this channel and watched for like a month before i found out that Aiden and Wendi are close and have collaborated many many times and feel like i missed out on so much lol. If your putting this channel with these two it’s definitely worth a shot!
Apology accepted. As someone who was a Gold Award Scout and has taken many survival courses, I have to admit that it doesn't imbue someone with the power to avoid mechanical injury or sudden incapacitation. I've almost died twice (and SAR is my gig) and both times, it was an unexpected medical issue that took me to that dicey place. An appendix rupture. A kidney stone. A migraine. Stomach issues. These are all things that knock young people for a loop and Boy Scout/Girl Scout/military/civy... one issue, coupled with snow and mountains, becomes a miserably bad day.
When he mention one shoe and sock had been removed my first thought was an ankle injury. It may not have been severe enough to be an obvious injury. Or the snow and cold could have kept swelling and bruising to a minimum. If he was battling fatigue turning an ankle seems completely possible. He could have done it while getting wood. Maybe sat down to just check his ankle and fell asleep thinking he’d just take a breather before finishing up the campfire and getting into his sleeping bag and just never woke up.
These are your best episodes. I love when you use maps and graphics and Google street view pics and stuff to show how an event took place. It makes me feel like I can really imagine the event.
Jeff’s picture looks exactly like my dad did when he was younger and this story just really hit me, I can’t imagine how scared and cold he must have been I can only hope he maybe passed in his sleep and it didn’t hurt too much
I live near the Appalachian Mountains and I grew up with the Boy Scouts (wasn’t officially one but I went to so many meetings and camping trips that I knew their skills better than some of them lol). And my go to advice if you get lost while in the woods, other than follow water, is stay still. If you stay still it’s wayyyyy easier to find you. And also, yeah. The elevation is nothing to sneeze at.
My brother just attempted to start on the Appalachian trail and failed twice within a two month span. First in Georgia with a twisted leg and then in Virginia with a respiratory infection. Both times he was down before 48 hours has gone by. Thankfully, he took it as a sign that it was not to be. He's not very bright but I'm proud of him for figuring it out after only two shots!
@paladinkhan trust me when I say I've known my brother all his life and it's just like him to jump into massive undertaking with no training and minimal preparation. If he hadn't gotten hurt in the first weeks, he'd have gotten his ass handed to him by the Appalachians down the trail. With good luck he would have lived, but he's lucky to be able to tell a diamondback from a garden snake. The Appalachians are not an adventure to just jump into for funsies. I know my limits- he does not.
Taking a wrong turn while on a scout trip is %100 plausible. One time I was on top of hill, tried go down the hill, and ended up on the business end of the shooting range. Things happen, and taking a wrong turn, and cutting through a ravine to get to the road, and going up the road to get to the parking lot makes total sense. I can't i wouldn't have done the same thing if I were there. That's why we have the buddy system. That's also why scout master dad made us wear safety yellow shirts at summer camp.
If you were to ask me, an Eagle Scout: If you were lost in the forest, would you be in trouble? "Well, I might be supposed to have training and know what to do." But would you live? "Nah, I'd die"
Being an Eagle Scout from southeast Texas, I'm pretty sure my ass would be dead in 48 hours if you dropped me in the middle of a forest during a snowstorm. Or a snowfall. Or a snow-on-the-ground. Look, my body's adapted to one hundred degrees, not two degrees.
This all checks out. Ultimately his actions at the end were based purely on exhaustion. Ive been there. So exhausted you stop making logical choices. Disorriented from the wilderness.
I got miserably exhausted when I went to the Alaska Fair. It is a long walk all around the place and it was rainy and cold. I lasted 3 hours. I had my two nieces with me, ages around 12 or 13. My sister was at the fair with her kids and one of my nieces kept asking to go look for them when we were by the rides. She said they were right down the other side. My body was sore, feet hurting, could hardly walk anymore and was mentally drained. Unfortunately, I didn't make a great choice. I let her go and we waited awhile. Then we went to sit on some benches. Apparently, she did not find them and came back to the spot we were at and we weren't there. She paniced and cried there. We went back after a bit of rest and she was there all upset. I never felt more guilt than that before. I know in my right mind with enough energy, I would of known not to let her go by herself "sigh". I never forgave myself for that. She is in her 20's now and I still feel bad about it. Mostly cause thinking of what could of happened. Some bad people out there.
Coming off watching the first video of yours, I have to compliment you on how you differ from others covering things of the mysterious. Others want it as scary or mysterious as possible and don't actually give out as the amount of details and other possible outcomes. Well done! Go bucks 😉
I would love to hear your thoughts on the disappearance of Richard Bendele. :) He went missing while hunting near Craters of the Moon national park, they found his truck, his gun, and a single shoe, but not him. Dogs couldn’t track his scent past the road, and it began snowing shortly after they started looking for him. He had called his mother while out hunting and said that someone had messed with his truck, but there wasn’t any evidence of people nearby. Plus, there seems to be very little reporting about his case.
@@tierneylogan5943 It was Missing Enigma, and a couple other lesser-known channels that have done videos about it, but there is little information about his case anywhere. I’d love to see what the Lore Lodge could dig up about it. :)
I'ts very weird one adult left after hiking up. Plus Boyscouts is all about the Buddy system, leaving a teen alone, leaving another back at the camp site ? I would look at possible improper interaction between one of the adults and this teen.
As an Appalachian myself… if he had matches, I can’t imagine why within an hour or so he hadn’t built up a huge fire and sat his happy behind down near it, just sending up smoke.. Have a snack.. wander for some more wood.. sleep.. more wood.. sleep.. etc..
Kinda hyped to check out history hut for in depth history segments... Is not something I ever imagined I'd be saying. Thanks for making history more interesting than history textbooks back in high school did.
History is fascinating. History is the story of our species, of everything that's ever existed. If it seems boring, you're just learning about it wrong.
Eagle Scout here from troop 453 in Kent Washington. I was in scouts from ages 5-18, let me tell you after having been an SPL for 3 years and having led many kids on trails through the mountains, most kids are not fully prepared for that kind of hike untill at least 16-17 years old. Either physically or tactically. I did Philmont too, over 100 Miles. I think you’re giving the average Boy Scout too much credit. Especially given the weather conditions.
you should do a video on the missing 1845 franklin expedition to the arctic!! lead poisoning, consumption, Inuit oral documentation, scurvy, arctic exploration, death marches--the story has everything. lol
Seriously, this has become my comfort viewing. Educational and intriguing are two adjectives that describe the excellent videos presented on this channel. Thank you guys for sharing your love of history and true crime with us! 😊
I found this channel recently, and I’m so glad I did. I love true crime and interesting events, but I hate channels that don’t do the proper research, or they over-dramatize events, or they just straight up lie. I want the truth in all things, and I finally found a channel that I believe reports the truth.
Worse, they're close enough to looking well-researched that without another perspective to expose the gaps and flaws, it's very palatable and reasonable-seeming. You don't necessarily have to suspend too much disbelief to buy into it, because he's trimming out or misrepresenting a lot of stuff that might trigger a healthy dose of skepticism.
About search dogs: Even in the best conditions, they are not 100%. Just b/c they don't find a scent does NOT mean the person wasn't there. Sure, the scent may have washed or blown away, etc. Yes, dogs are way more reliable than humans, but their concentration can still lapse. If they get a stone in their paw pads, they might miss things. If it is very cold (as it was here) or very hot, even the best dog might miss something. If they are in the early stages of arthritis or dysplasia. they might miss things even in perfect conditions. In these 411 cases, I always hear/read things like, "We know he didn't go this way b/c the tracker dogs didn't find a scent." That's just not true. It changes the odds and if time/resources are limited, then it factors into where resources are best directed. IOW, they person probably didn't go that way. But it's not a guarantee; it never has been. (Note: I have worked with multiple GSD's since childhood, as did my parents. My extended family has done work like this on 3 continents. If someone tells you they have a dog that never ever misses, they probably also sell elixirs, divining rods that never fail, etc.)
In SERE I was taught you'd never outrun a dog and having been on the receiving end specifically in this Mountain range of being tracked by dogs. I'd say I've been VERY impressed with how a dedicated handler and a well trained dog will follow you. Nonsensical movements Back tracking crossing streams making life difficult by going through thick brush are all in an effort to break the handler's trust in the dog; not the Dog itself Your right it's not a 100% thing nothing in this world is. But gosh darn a good dog is good at what it does. I'm not disagreeing with you far from it just adding another view onto what you've already stated.
@@Nikoform I agree with you completely. I kept editing my post b/c it was too long. It's probably still too long (and I'm not a native speaker). I wanted to give estimated percentages, but didn't b/c I had nothing official to back them up. I'd say dogs will get a scent about 95 % of the time if there is one. The remaining 5-ish % are a lot of these "mysterious" cases. So, when theory-crafting (?) about what might have happened to someone, it may be wrong to think that the person couldn't have traveled route X or Y just b/c a dog didn't pick them up. Also, unlike a lot of military training, the dogs here are brought in AFTER 1-3 days. They are still fantastic at tracking, but the odds do go slightly down as time and potential distractions increase.
As a boy scout and a hiker who has gotten lost, and then directed off of trails in that area many times, I can say that a leading cause that has caused me to either get lost or get off trail is areas being closed due to aggressive bear attacks, because bear attacks are quite common in that area
Super excited about the separate history videos; wouldn't say the history segments are my absolute favorite parts of each video, but they're definitely up there, so getting to see that in your insanely well-researched and presented style for a full-length video is super exciting.
Excited to see more 411 series coming up, have been curious about these “clusters” from your perspectives, and which cases you consider actually still unexplainable.
23:50 paradoxical undressing. Sounds like hypothermia. When I was in scouts we went snow caving on Mount Rainer, and the guy I was sharing a cave with left the cave randomly in only socks and long John's. I happened to wake up and notice he was missing and his coat was still in the shelter. I found him laying against a tree 100 yards or so down the hill we were in. He was still alive, thankfully. Probably had been out there 30 minutes. I was 17 at the time and very experienced, this boy was a skinny 13 year old. I carried him up the hill and wrapped him in mylar blankets and got the adults up. We got him off the Mountain on a sled and warmed him up in a car. He got taken home that night and fully recovered. I stayed for the rest of the trip. Luckily no one else had any issues the rest of the trip.
@@change_your_oil_regularly4287 Ignoring the extra-terrestrial, undead, and cryprozoological; there’s no shortage of backwoods cults, witches/wizards, and clandestine drug operations that Scouting really doesn’t prepare you for.
Ok...I've hiked over 1200 miles on the AT including all of the GSMNP. First of all, say it with me, Mount Le Conte (Luh- KANT). Now I feel somewhat better, but you got me lost with some of your directions and I would have appreciated you at least using one or two real images of the area. Its rather beautiful. Finally, he clearly died in his sleep. I think he was likely wet then got hit with 4 inches of snow with no gear. Its notoriously hard to start fires in the area and its been knows to go from 80 down into the 20s within hours. It took me 4 full nights to hike that section. In the single digits the first two nights, but we stayed in shelters with lit fires in fireplaces. The section up from the parking lot at Newfound Gap to where the Boulevard Trail splits off was like climbing an ice waterfall. Most people used crampons. Because its so far south and east people drastically underestimate the elements there....
You guys are the best. I always say that, but the research, the storytelling and the amount of work you put into every video just makes me want to send you a basket full of golden retriever puppies.
Whatever exactly happened to him, rest in peace, Geoff. It's a mercy that his body was found so his family could have some kind of closure. It's hard enough knowing your teen son died, but I can imagine it's incomprehensibly hard when the body is never found and there's no answers at all.
People suffering from hypothermia can and will make completely irrational decisions as their body starts to slowly shut down. They will fall in and out of lucidity, going between bouts of making attempts to survive and doing things that will further solidify their demise. They will literally strip off their clothes because they think they feel warm. A common misconception is that the delirium doesn't happen until late-stage hypothermia, when the end is nigh. That's true for the worst of the delirium, but it starts much sooner. This can lead to a snowball effect where you don't realize that you're even hypothermic and as your cognitive function declines, you continue to make decisions that are less than rational or straight up baffling to anyone looking from the outside in. There was nothing chasing this poor kid, there was no monster or boogeyman. It was a mixture of hubris, natural curiosity, an inflated sense of invincibility that comes with being a teenager, and mother nature aligning into a perfect storm.
The absolute calm and peace with which I would happily fire blindly into the woods if I'm along and it whistles at me is difficult to describe. If you come back later and tell me there were twenty casualties I will still be at peace with my decision
Born and raised in West Virginia. Our hills or mountains can get treacherous. One time me and my 9 yr old daughter came to a really steep hillside. Only way down was me sliding down hill catching a root and talking her into sliding down for me to catch her. After a few slides we were at bottom.
It seems to me quite beautiful that his scent drifted down the creek clear to under the highway. What this is telling me is the dogs nose is so phenomenal as to follow that scent floating in the very air for prolonged periods. This tells me using a scent dog on a search is not only problematic, but training the handler is as important as training the dogs.
Hey Brother and eagle scout here, love what you guys are doing, but I do miss the history segment. The Tennessee/North Carolina border is one of the only places I've gotten truly lost for about 2 hours my girlfriend at the time(now wife) and I went looking for the ghost town know as the "lost cove. The 2nd attempt we got back to the car about 15 min after "sunset" due to the mountains it had been dark for about 45 min. When we started the car we noticed head lights of a 70's Ford that had been parked up in elevation and deeper into the hills off the main road about 1/10 of a mile. We stayed parked and so did they, eventually we pulled onto the road and headed to a less back road and a 70s ford pickup followed us out for over 5 miles then u turned and drove away. One of the most ghost story feeling and creepy vibes I've ever felt. Go Blue!
I don't think he had finished gathering wood for his fire. What probably happened is that he brought back some wood, was about to go out for more, but his feet hurt. He stopped to massage them, one at a time to reduce heat loss, and the moment he sat down he was overcome by exhaustion and passed out. Before he came to, hypothermia got him. We've all been in situations where we've felt fine until we've sat down, and then felt completely drained. Especially after a hard day's work. So I'm sure at least some of you know the feeling.
Being a scout he should have had matches as well as a flint starter. The starter is a standard thing for the sole purpose of having the ability to start a fire without matches. This is odd on several levels.
@@user-xy6wu3xg2cSure, it's a trick you try once at summer camp to impress your friends, but unless you're really dedicated, most of your campfires are lit with a lighter.
I met troop 95 at the 20 world jamboree and all the members there could start a fire a friction fire. And were super in to the buddy system( all ways 3 to a group). I now know why thanks
Please take a look at the mysterious death of Nora Quoirin! She was lost in the jungle for days but when she was found her feet were clean and without injuries.
It happened to me on more than one occasion, both in the woods and in the city, that I got completely confused and didn't know which way I was supposed to be going, even though I was in places I knew very well, which also had some pretty distinctive terrain features/buildings that really couldn't be mistaken for anything else. On all those occasions it was middle of the day, visibility was perfectly fine and I was completely sober - and each time it took me a good few minutes to realize my error, and then even longer to figure out which was the right direction. Had I been in some rough mountainous terrain when that happened, I could've easily stepped off the path or started walking in the direction I'd just come from thinking I was going forward. Not saying that that's what happens every time someone goes missing, but in my mind it is always a possibility.
I'm glad the history segments will continue in some form. I really wanted an hour at the start of your last video explaining how every native tribe built their traditional killdozers.
"Something compelled him to go the wrong way." What if it was ADHD? Cuz like... Sometimes i be going the wrong way for a half hour before i realize I'm an idiot...
Facts... I've done that walking in Manhattan where the streets are numbered, and I wasn't even stoned... That 20-30 mins in the wrong direction can be A LOT of blocks
I hear you on this... I lost my family in the same 3 small town dept stores at least once a month for my entire childhood. And I was yelled at for it every single time. Unfortunately, I genuinely liked to read books. I was reading at an 11th grade level in second grade & what is graciously slapped with the gifted kid label / curse. So I was misdiagnosed repeatedly as the depression and failures piled up (and later put on all kinds of meds that made me go crazy until my mid to late 20s) lol- literally the personification of "OOH! a butterfly!", and teachers perceived my childhood interests [ that were shaped by my parents rules forbidding me from any video games ever, or watching TV 4/7 days a week ] meant "numbers and science CAN'T really MAKE her cry, she just wants to skate by on all of those big, fancy words". If you're right, I'm wondering if all his things piled on the rock away from him could have been from being overwhelmed. Maybe be was looking around for some clues or something he thought he dropped along his way, forgot his way back to it. Didn't realize how far away from it he got.
The trail starts at Springer Mountain in Fanin County Ga. Or like most hikers start from Amicalola State Park in Dawsonville Ga which would be the wisest way since you have to sign in that you are hiking the trail and how far.
Hey I feel like the phenomenon of paradoxical undressing is something that could have been very helpful in explaining parts of this case! Just wondering why it wasn’t brought up?
Ooo I'm so excited about this new format!! Thanks for trying to make it enjoyable for everyone! I like the history segments but sometimes I just wanna get to the story 😂
As a former scout, we were taught that putting wet clothes on a rock in the sun would dry them so it makes some sense to me that he would do that. That said, while I live in the general area of the Appalachian trail in Virginia where I live, it doesn't get as cold or as much snow. We also never went out like this (for as long a hike, in a national park) because we were younger scouts. Our area didn't have a leader for the old kids.
Great breakdown. Thanks! One small observation on the rescue teams that participated in the search. It is more likely that the Greenville, South Carolina Fire & Rescue were involved in the search rather than Greenville, NC, simply due to proximity. Greenville, SC, is only 2.5 hours away from Gatlinburg, TN, and Greenville, NC, is almost 6.5 hours away. It doesn't really change anything in the storyline, but I'm just giving credit where credit is due. Thanks again.
I always like to remind myself how stupid people can be even if they think they're smart, especially so in that case. It really puts into perspective all these missing cases and how paranormal they probably aren't. People are dumb and careless.
Honestly im interested in what you got in store for the new video format you talked about in the end look forward to the content keep up the good work guys 👍
I was never in the scouts but have hiked and backpacked with several former scouts, including my friend that was a eagle scout. Scouting is a great way to get kids outdoors, out of the city, and provides a great community. But it seems to me to only provide a good foundation of outdoor skill to build on, not a definitive skill set. If you do something wrong, or even dangerous, scout leaders and peers are always near by to call it out. And while that's the best way to run a kids organization, it leaves a lot to be desired in terms of self reliance
It's really nice to see you applying a more critical form of analysis on this case. Acknowledging a past misstep is also a really stand-up thing to do. Personal development suits you, Aidan, I hope you keep it up in future. Well done!
This is an excellent video. Well done, guys. Just wanted to give props where they're due, since I left a critical comment on another video recently, and I genuinely like your channel a lot. Thanks for taking the time and making the effort to do solid research. I appreciate that, and I especially like the videos with the history lessons included. I have only one more thing to add: This unfortunate tragedy may be completely explicable, but there honestly are some very disturbing, inexplicable things out there in the forests, and they can be TERRIFYING. I speak from experience. All the best, N
People who haven't spent enough time alone in the bush just don't get it. There's things out there that seemingly can't be explained, and are often best avoided. If you know, you know.
I jumped out of my freaking skin when Morristown was mentioned. I literally live about 25-30 minutes from there, and know exactly where he went to school at. Missing cases aren't often in the area I live in, but when they do happen, they're always strange or odd, if they even get solved. In Appalachia its easy to get turned around or lost if you don't know the area. You can walk up a hill and get lost just because the landscape changes and shifts so much. No doubt most of the 411's that happen here are likely those that didn't know the trail or area well, and just got lost...
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Hey, if you're still trying to figure out the algorithm stuff, idk why but I'm subscribed with the notification bell set to "all" and I didn't get a notification for this vid or premier on my phone whereas I got one for Wendigoon's Cthulhu vid which was released around the same time. When I opened the app and checked my notifications, it was there and it was also on my feed, but it didn't notify my phone. Maybe I'm missing something but if not, I wouldn't be surprised if y'all are shadow banned or something.
As an Eagle Scout I have known some extremely unprepared guys who thought they knew all there is to know about survival. Not all scouts have equal skills, but the worst almost always believe they’re the best.
As the great philosopher, Michael Tyson, once said, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
Very well said! I think that explains most of these disapearances and odd decisions.
@@RustCole01😂😂
Dunning-Kruger exists in all areas of life
i was a cub scout and our senior troop leader was a useless alcoholic, who just happened to be one of my classmates and fellow scouts father. one night the whole troop and our parents showed up to his house for a meeting, and the dude answered the door in his underwear and told us "sorry i forgot we had a meeting and ive already turned in for the night" and we all went home, and i never went back, it really soured my families confidence in the scouts, there was no way in hell they were going to let my diabetic ass go on a camping trip with that drunk bastard as troop leader. is it common to have meetings at the troop leaders residences? ive always thought it was odd that we met there i thought the scouts met in a park or a recreation center in hind sight.
This is why the “Buddy System” is pushed so hard in modern scouting. When I was in, you didn’t go anywhere in the wilderness without at least one other person with you.
Agreed and same here. The only exception was if everyone was asleep and you needed to releave yourself on a tree in the middle of the night about a couple of yards from the tent.
I was never even in any Scouting program and I always knew to use a buddy system. It seems like it should just be common sense to not go off into the wilderness alone because what happens if you, for example, fall and break an ankle or whatever and no one is there to help? You just die, that's what happens. But I guess common sense isn't always so common, unfortunately.
Yeah, whenever I hear any of these Stories about things happening to Boy scouts I'm Always reminded about the buddy system in the scouts and it was something that I as A Certified camp administrator and somebody who taught wood badge but does not have wood badge As to why the buddy system is so important and why I remember having to say it's so often to hammer it into people's heads Because the scouts have had so many things happen like this Even after the fact that it's been hammered so much into people's heads they still do it and still go missing and get hurt
Not a bad system to maintain as an adult either. It's not so much about "how prepared and experienced" you are, it's more about sometimes life's gonna land you knee deep in some S**t, and it's better to have a buddy around when it happens.
Anecdotal Evidence: When I was a wee scout, at one of the large jamboree campouts, two dads went out on a hike together. One of them had been going to go out alone when the children in that troop uno reversed him with the buddy system card. So another Dad went along with him. 20 or 30 minutes later, one of them comes sprinting back alone to gather help. Dad 1 had suffered a heart attack, and Dad 2 had ran back to camp to get help. Thankfully Dad 2 was actually able to call 911 as Dad 1 was experiencing the heart attack. But we were still in the mountains, a decent ways from civilization. Second thankfully, there happened to be a rather weird amount of retired paramedics and combat medics from the military there. A contingent of 10 men hiked out to rescue Dad 1 and bring him to the entrance of the campsite for when the ambulance arrived. Dad 1 survived and made a full recovery, and I saw him several more times over the years. The point is, when you're out in the wilderness, it's worth it to have a partner along for the ride.
And 2 deep leadership
Nother Eagle Scout here chiming in about that extremely bad judgement call from that Scout Master. Not only the boy on the trail, but also the one left alone back at camp as well? Horribly against BSA standard. My father was Scout Master of our troop for many years, and he always candidly told me his biggest fear was losing a boy and having to face the family. The buddy system can't do its job a mile apart. I find it so hard to believe he really thought that was a good idea, even for back in the 70's.
Agreed everything about the situation is really off im only 29 but I don't think the "buddy system" or general scout like behavior was that different in the 70's. Shoot even in "Follow me Boys" they wouldn't leave 1 person to Finnish cleaning up camp....
I never even made eagle but buddy system was always the most important rule nobody was allowed to do anything alone
The so called "leader" didn't give a crap
The so called "leader" didn't give a crap
This is why they say regulations are written in blood.
6:13
"with blond hair"
dang these 70s' photos did him no justice
I love how tired, sweaty and drained of life Aidan looks and then Wendigoon just looks like he's glowing. Aidan must have hiked out there with Isiah on his back lol
I believe that's called being unfit lol
Im beginning a one month hike of the Appalachian trail tomorrow morning. I hope you never have to talk about me!
Good luck! Be safe!
Good luck and take care! If we don't hear form you in the comments in a month, we'll hear about you on the program in a year!
Seriously though, do take care and enjoy yourself!
God Bless. Carry a locater beacon.
Coincidentally, I'll be starting at Newfound gap mentioned in the video and heading north.
How much of it are you doing? Surely you’re not trying to do the whole thing in a month. The fastest known time is 41 days.
Edit: just read your response lol. Best of luck on your journey! I did the AT a couple years ago, it was an incredible experience.
Wtf were they thinking, if one person stops, then everyone stops. It’s not like they can leave without him anyways. I guess it’s nice being able to chill at the car, but it doesn’t justify leaving someone behind. Just be patient and wait a few minutes.
"But as the first factor we have to consider..."
Goddammit, I groaned when I realized that was the setup for a Factor sponsorship segue.
Got me good too. It was such a smooth transition. Too smooth. Conspiracy?
@@DaKdawg We know too much now.
sponsors suck
@@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing sponsors allow for the content to be produced
@NK6only nar mate, folks made vids without them perfectly fine before
people pay for ad free youtube and still get it anyway
I'm from Norway. With endless dark and cold winter. I live just outside Oslo. A 10-minute ride on my electric bike and I'm in the endless forests, which stretch like a belt all the way to Siberia. I have a herd of deer and several birds of prey just outside my kitchen window. Fortunately, the forest roads are good for cycling and we have few dangerous animals, but an unnatural beauty just a short walk outside the capital. Outdoor life is part of our lifestyle. Whether it's just a short trip, or a long one. I am 65 years old and have grown up with the wilderness just a short walk from my home. You are most welcome to Norway to experience either a beautiful summer or a really tough and harsh winter. 🥶
Har du hørt om lignende saker i Norge?
God Bless. I wish I could experience that beauty.
That sounds beautiful. I’d love to visit Norway myself some day, of course with an experienced guide to show me the forests and the aurora borealis.
Definitely sounds beautiful.
Wow must be beautiful and very cold !😄
imagine desperately searching for ur missing child in the mountains & all of a sudden franklin graham shows up with 4 dogs 😭
Not really surprising I'm a NC native and the Grahams are very well known in the area not just for their ministry but also their volunteer work.
Not a fan of Graham's, but I would be happy to see the dogs
@@Joanne-i7q I will admit they have said things some people wouldn't agree with myself included but I do feel it's great they did so much to help others.
“It’s gonna take a miracle to find your kids in three feet of fresh snow.”
FG: “You called?”
Any particular reason you dislike a Godly man and preacher? Athiest douche perhaps?@user-so9qk1nf4t
Him being found with a one boot, a sock, and jacket off leads me to think he took a spill into the creek. He either slipped or was trying to cross and fell in. He might have gotten out on the rock his gear was found on and searched through his pack to find if his matches were dry. Usually when you pack your sleeping bag is at the bottom of your pack and the hard items towards your back. The matches may have been stowed with his cook kit necessitating the removal of some items to reach them, this coupled with a sleeping bag that absorbed water would have firced him to abandon some things but not before he took what he thought necessary. The boot, sock, and jacket could have been taken off in an attempt to wring them out and continue on but exhaustion and hypothermia overcame him and he didn't make it back up.
Those were my thoughts.
as a Boy Scout I have heard stories of just the dumbest people being the most confident
on an unrelated note, one of my favorite stories about the older scouts when I was first entering the troop is our at the time SPL smashing a hole in an cabin with a sledgehammer to kill a cockroach
Yeah, that checks. I wouldn’t put it past some of my SPLs to have done something similar, although perhaps not that high of an extreme. Lol.
this is a thing across the board, stupid people are just over confident regardless of the subject
Can't have roaches in the cabin if you don't have a cabin, seems like sound logic to me.
That's just our culture. The stupidest, laziest among us always think they're the best. I have a couple employees who genuinely think they can do my job but can barely manage their own minimal tasks lol
"Using a sledgehammer to kill a cockroach" sounds like another version of "using a sledgehammer to crack a wulnut"
He might have gone off trail to go to the bath room. If it was number 2 , he might have slipped while squatting down the ravine. When he said he needed to rest, it might have been a polite way to get some privacy to poop.
Or he went #2 and then became disoriented
They were experienced Scouts, he would say "I'm need to take a dump".
Now could be he was tired and decided to take a bathroom break and from there got lost/disoriented.
@dominic64tblightning24 must’ve been an epic movement
That’s my first thought too! Maybe he was a shy pooper, felt he had to get some distance off the trail in case Lee saw him.
On my first winter campout, which also happened to be my first campout with the Boy Scouts, I managed to:
1. Get horribly sick (unrelated to point two)
2. Watch one of the adult leaders turn our entire pot mashed potatoes GRAY with pepper.
3. Learned the sage wisdom of "Never cook bacon with your shirt off."
4. Learned to fire a shoulder mounted PVC potato launcher.
10/10 great experience.
To be fair, everything tastes better with a ludicrous amount of pepper. Preferably black pepper.
I don't know who in their right mind ever thought it was a good idea to leave a 16-year-old by himself to rest in the woods. Trailer no trail. Four years experience or not. He was still just a kid. Three miles away is a long way. Whoever did that was insanely stupid.
The youngest soldier in WW2 was 12 years old. He went on to earn a Purple Heart and Bronze Star. Kids are just softer these days but weren't always.
@@fubarfrank74 yeah and im sure he was messed up for life, the was plenty of young men in that war that died brutally
@@fubarfrank74 Survivorship bias!
@@fubarfrank74wdym these days? This happened in the 70’s
@@fubarfrank74no. actually you are crazy.
Imagine your just living your life, your a normal person. And years after you die people online are calling you a idiot for something you did in the woods when you where 16.
you're* you're* an* were*
@@satohime I am giving you this commendation for outstanding work on the force! You're exactly the type of officers we are looking for here at the grammar police corps. I have handed out my fair share of tickets, but never 4 citations in one comment so short. well done!
@@satohimeu understood it though
so imagine being dead?
nexpo, wendigoon, and the lore lodge all dropped videos in the past few hours, huge w
just need mr ballen and beardmeetsfood
Cambrian Chronicles dropped a video as well! (I'm one of those here for the history side of things)
Never heard of Nexpo gonna check them out! I watched Wendigoon steadily for a year and then on and off for another year before I eventually stumbled across this channel and watched for like a month before i found out that Aiden and Wendi are close and have collaborated many many times and feel like i missed out on so much lol. If your putting this channel with these two it’s definitely worth a shot!
I have Nexpo and Cambrian Chronicles next up on queue.
The big 3
Apology accepted.
As someone who was a Gold Award Scout and has taken many survival courses, I have to admit that it doesn't imbue someone with the power to avoid mechanical injury or sudden incapacitation. I've almost died twice (and SAR is my gig) and both times, it was an unexpected medical issue that took me to that dicey place. An appendix rupture. A kidney stone. A migraine. Stomach issues. These are all things that knock young people for a loop and Boy Scout/Girl Scout/military/civy... one issue, coupled with snow and mountains, becomes a miserably bad day.
When he mention one shoe and sock had been removed my first thought was an ankle injury. It may not have been severe enough to be an obvious injury. Or the snow and cold could have kept swelling and bruising to a minimum. If he was battling fatigue turning an ankle seems completely possible. He could have done it while getting wood. Maybe sat down to just check his ankle and fell asleep thinking he’d just take a breather before finishing up the campfire and getting into his sleeping bag and just never woke up.
Getting a random throwback to Dennis Martin is always weird because it’s my favorite case ever because it’s so strange
These are your best episodes. I love when you use maps and graphics and Google street view pics and stuff to show how an event took place. It makes me feel like I can really imagine the event.
Jeff’s picture looks exactly like my dad did when he was younger and this story just really hit me, I can’t imagine how scared and cold he must have been I can only hope he maybe passed in his sleep and it didn’t hurt too much
I live near the Appalachian Mountains and I grew up with the Boy Scouts (wasn’t officially one but I went to so many meetings and camping trips that I knew their skills better than some of them lol). And my go to advice if you get lost while in the woods, other than follow water, is stay still. If you stay still it’s wayyyyy easier to find you. And also, yeah. The elevation is nothing to sneeze at.
My brother just attempted to start on the Appalachian trail and failed twice within a two month span. First in Georgia with a twisted leg and then in Virginia with a respiratory infection. Both times he was down before 48 hours has gone by. Thankfully, he took it as a sign that it was not to be. He's not very bright but I'm proud of him for figuring it out after only two shots!
Damn throwing some shade his way, coming from the person who hasnt tried it twice haha
Nice to insult his intelligence...
@paladinkhan trust me when I say I've known my brother all his life and it's just like him to jump into massive undertaking with no training and minimal preparation. If he hadn't gotten hurt in the first weeks, he'd have gotten his ass handed to him by the Appalachians down the trail. With good luck he would have lived, but he's lucky to be able to tell a diamondback from a garden snake. The Appalachians are not an adventure to just jump into for funsies. I know my limits- he does not.
@@Mike-es2yg as my mother likes to remind me, she may have raised a fool but it certainly wasn't me. 🤷♀️
Third time's the charm!
13:11 Wendigoon appearing at Aiden's house sounds quite funny in this context
And he is going to appear for Sevier and LeConte pronunciations (severe and LeCont).
Taking a wrong turn while on a scout trip is %100 plausible. One time I was on top of hill, tried go down the hill, and ended up on the business end of the shooting range. Things happen, and taking a wrong turn, and cutting through a ravine to get to the road, and going up the road to get to the parking lot makes total sense. I can't i wouldn't have done the same thing if I were there. That's why we have the buddy system. That's also why scout master dad made us wear safety yellow shirts at summer camp.
If you were to ask me, an Eagle Scout: If you were lost in the forest, would you be in trouble?
"Well, I might be supposed to have training and know what to do."
But would you live?
"Nah, I'd die"
Being an Eagle Scout from southeast Texas, I'm pretty sure my ass would be dead in 48 hours if you dropped me in the middle of a forest during a snowstorm. Or a snowfall. Or a snow-on-the-ground.
Look, my body's adapted to one hundred degrees, not two degrees.
Wendigoon in loafers will never get old.
This all checks out. Ultimately his actions at the end were based purely on exhaustion. Ive been there. So exhausted you stop making logical choices. Disorriented from the wilderness.
I got miserably exhausted when I went to the Alaska Fair. It is a long walk all around the place and it was rainy and cold. I lasted 3 hours. I had my two nieces with me, ages around 12 or 13. My sister was at the fair with her kids and one of my nieces kept asking to go look for them when we were by the rides. She said they were right down the other side. My body was sore, feet hurting, could hardly walk anymore and was mentally drained. Unfortunately, I didn't make a great choice. I let her go and we waited awhile. Then we went to sit on some benches. Apparently, she did not find them and came back to the spot we were at and we weren't there. She paniced and cried there. We went back after a bit of rest and she was there all upset. I never felt more guilt than that before. I know in my right mind with enough energy, I would of known not to let her go by herself "sigh". I never forgave myself for that. She is in her 20's now and I still feel bad about it. Mostly cause thinking of what could of happened. Some bad people out there.
Coming off watching the first video of yours, I have to compliment you on how you differ from others covering things of the mysterious. Others want it as scary or mysterious as possible and don't actually give out as the amount of details and other possible outcomes. Well done! Go bucks 😉
I would love to hear your thoughts on the disappearance of Richard Bendele. :) He went missing while hunting near Craters of the Moon national park, they found his truck, his gun, and a single shoe, but not him. Dogs couldn’t track his scent past the road, and it began snowing shortly after they started looking for him. He had called his mother while out hunting and said that someone had messed with his truck, but there wasn’t any evidence of people nearby. Plus, there seems to be very little reporting about his case.
I think they did that case, or maybe the missing enigma channel. I remember watching it not too long ago.
@@tierneylogan5943 It was Missing Enigma, and a couple other lesser-known channels that have done videos about it, but there is little information about his case anywhere. I’d love to see what the Lore Lodge could dig up about it. :)
I'ts very weird one adult left after hiking up. Plus Boyscouts is all about the Buddy system, leaving a teen alone, leaving another back at the camp site ? I would look at possible improper interaction between one of the adults and this teen.
As an Appalachian myself… if he had matches, I can’t imagine why within an hour or so he hadn’t built up a huge fire and sat his happy behind down near it, just sending up smoke..
Have a snack.. wander for some more wood.. sleep.. more wood.. sleep.. etc..
Oh no, The National Parks finally got to him
i was thinking that too lol
Kinda hyped to check out history hut for in depth history segments...
Is not something I ever imagined I'd be saying. Thanks for making history more interesting than history textbooks back in high school did.
History is fascinating. History is the story of our species, of everything that's ever existed. If it seems boring, you're just learning about it wrong.
@@CryptidRenfriPerfect comment!
i’ve learnt more about history on youtube than i ever did in school.
Eagle Scout here from troop 453 in Kent Washington. I was in scouts from ages 5-18, let me tell you after having been an SPL for 3 years and having led many kids on trails through the mountains, most kids are not fully prepared for that kind of hike untill at least 16-17 years old. Either physically or tactically. I did Philmont too, over 100 Miles. I think you’re giving the average Boy Scout too much credit. Especially given the weather conditions.
453 in Kent... Philmont... Wait I think you know my brother, did a boy from Troop 499 join you for the Philmont trip?
@@gmanplaysgames256 yeah bro if you’re Justin then yeah we know each other
This episode is like this missing 411 Endgame crossover with all the famous people, random volunteers, and others we've heard about on Lore Lodge.
you should do a video on the missing 1845 franklin expedition to the arctic!! lead poisoning, consumption, Inuit oral documentation, scurvy, arctic exploration, death marches--the story has everything. lol
Have a great weekend everybody!
You too!
You too sir. Enjoy your weekend! 🌹
Cheers!! My entire life is a complete misery.
Thanks chico!
@@Rick_Cleland sorry to hear that, brother. Hope it gets better for you!
Seriously, this has become my comfort viewing. Educational and intriguing are two adjectives that describe the excellent videos presented on this channel. Thank you guys for sharing your love of history and true crime with us! 😊
I found this channel recently, and I’m so glad I did. I love true crime and interesting events, but I hate channels that don’t do the proper research, or they over-dramatize events, or they just straight up lie. I want the truth in all things, and I finally found a channel that I believe reports the truth.
That opening is so real. 😂😂😂😂
(Also, don't whistle back. Just don't, because it didn't happen. )
Never whistle at night, and never answer a strange whistle that you don't know the origin of.
Solid advice generally.
This case is a classic example, that clearly shows that Paulides' books should never be regarded as 'research'.
Worse, they're close enough to looking well-researched that without another perspective to expose the gaps and flaws, it's very palatable and reasonable-seeming. You don't necessarily have to suspend too much disbelief to buy into it, because he's trimming out or misrepresenting a lot of stuff that might trigger a healthy dose of skepticism.
i wanted to get his books so bad but i’ve heard it’s mostly him trying to connect it to bigfoot or something
About search dogs: Even in the best conditions, they are not 100%. Just b/c they don't find a scent does NOT mean the person wasn't there. Sure, the scent may have washed or blown away, etc. Yes, dogs are way more reliable than humans, but their concentration can still lapse. If they get a stone in their paw pads, they might miss things. If it is very cold (as it was here) or very hot, even the best dog might miss something. If they are in the early stages of arthritis or dysplasia. they might miss things even in perfect conditions. In these 411 cases, I always hear/read things like, "We know he didn't go this way b/c the tracker dogs didn't find a scent." That's just not true. It changes the odds and if time/resources are limited, then it factors into where resources are best directed. IOW, they person probably didn't go that way. But it's not a guarantee; it never has been.
(Note: I have worked with multiple GSD's since childhood, as did my parents. My extended family has done work like this on 3 continents. If someone tells you they have a dog that never ever misses, they probably also sell elixirs, divining rods that never fail, etc.)
In SERE I was taught you'd never outrun a dog and having been on the receiving end specifically in this Mountain range of being tracked by dogs. I'd say I've been VERY impressed with how a dedicated handler and a well trained dog will follow you. Nonsensical movements Back tracking crossing streams making life difficult by going through thick brush are all in an effort to break the handler's trust in the dog; not the Dog itself Your right it's not a 100% thing nothing in this world is. But gosh darn a good dog is good at what it does. I'm not disagreeing with you far from it just adding another view onto what you've already stated.
@@Nikoform I agree with you completely. I kept editing my post b/c it was too long. It's probably still too long (and I'm not a native speaker). I wanted to give estimated percentages, but didn't b/c I had nothing official to back them up. I'd say dogs will get a scent about 95 % of the time if there is one. The remaining 5-ish % are a lot of these "mysterious" cases. So, when theory-crafting (?) about what might have happened to someone, it may be wrong to think that the person couldn't have traveled route X or Y just b/c a dog didn't pick them up. Also, unlike a lot of military training, the dogs here are brought in AFTER 1-3 days. They are still fantastic at tracking, but the odds do go slightly down as time and potential distractions increase.
Man, somehow that apology to the average park service dude was wholesome, blessed.
I think about Dennis Martin every time we go to that area. Can’t wait to hear about some I’ve never heard about.
i hope the dennis martin case is solved while i’m still alive , i really want to know
As a boy scout and a hiker who has gotten lost, and then directed off of trails in that area many times, I can say that a leading cause that has caused me to either get lost or get off trail is areas being closed due to aggressive bear attacks, because bear attacks are quite common in that area
Super excited about the separate history videos; wouldn't say the history segments are my absolute favorite parts of each video, but they're definitely up there, so getting to see that in your insanely well-researched and presented style for a full-length video is super exciting.
Excited to see more 411 series coming up, have been curious about these “clusters” from your perspectives, and which cases you consider actually still unexplainable.
23:50 paradoxical undressing. Sounds like hypothermia. When I was in scouts we went snow caving on Mount Rainer, and the guy I was sharing a cave with left the cave randomly in only socks and long John's. I happened to wake up and notice he was missing and his coat was still in the shelter. I found him laying against a tree 100 yards or so down the hill we were in. He was still alive, thankfully. Probably had been out there 30 minutes. I was 17 at the time and very experienced, this boy was a skinny 13 year old. I carried him up the hill and wrapped him in mylar blankets and got the adults up. We got him off the Mountain on a sled and warmed him up in a car. He got taken home that night and fully recovered. I stayed for the rest of the trip. Luckily no one else had any issues the rest of the trip.
nice job
"If I said it wrong I can only assume Wendigoon will show up at my house and you will hear from me no longer" I'm dying
So is he after that!
My wife grew up in Tennessee and she says a similar thing all the time. I had to show the intro to her and she love it 😂
There are Things living in the woods in that part of the country that Scout training doesn't prepare you to deal with.
Ghost of an extraterrestrial bigfoot?
@@change_your_oil_regularly4287 Ignoring the extra-terrestrial, undead, and cryprozoological; there’s no shortage of backwoods cults, witches/wizards, and clandestine drug operations that Scouting really doesn’t prepare you for.
Wood Boogers! 😱
The happy feeling that comes over me when I see there’s a new Lore Lodge 😊
Ok...I've hiked over 1200 miles on the AT including all of the GSMNP.
First of all, say it with me, Mount Le Conte (Luh- KANT). Now I feel somewhat better, but you got me lost with some of your directions and I would have appreciated you at least using one or two real images of the area. Its rather beautiful.
Finally, he clearly died in his sleep. I think he was likely wet then got hit with 4 inches of snow with no gear. Its notoriously hard to start fires in the area and its been knows to go from 80 down into the 20s within hours. It took me 4 full nights to hike that section. In the single digits the first two nights, but we stayed in shelters with lit fires in fireplaces. The section up from the parking lot at Newfound Gap to where the Boulevard Trail splits off was like climbing an ice waterfall. Most people used crampons. Because its so far south and east people drastically underestimate the elements there....
You guys are the best. I always say that, but the research, the storytelling and the amount of work you put into every video just makes me want to send you a basket full of golden retriever puppies.
A bio of Grady Whitehead would be really interesting imo
Creepy the very moment your mentioned Wendigo all the lights in my garage went out and I was surrounded in darkness
Whatever exactly happened to him, rest in peace, Geoff. It's a mercy that his body was found so his family could have some kind of closure. It's hard enough knowing your teen son died, but I can imagine it's incomprehensibly hard when the body is never found and there's no answers at all.
this is the highlight of my day
People suffering from hypothermia can and will make completely irrational decisions as their body starts to slowly shut down. They will fall in and out of lucidity, going between bouts of making attempts to survive and doing things that will further solidify their demise. They will literally strip off their clothes because they think they feel warm.
A common misconception is that the delirium doesn't happen until late-stage hypothermia, when the end is nigh. That's true for the worst of the delirium, but it starts much sooner. This can lead to a snowball effect where you don't realize that you're even hypothermic and as your cognitive function declines, you continue to make decisions that are less than rational or straight up baffling to anyone looking from the outside in.
There was nothing chasing this poor kid, there was no monster or boogeyman. It was a mixture of hubris, natural curiosity, an inflated sense of invincibility that comes with being a teenager, and mother nature aligning into a perfect storm.
The absolute calm and peace with which I would happily fire blindly into the woods if I'm along and it whistles at me is difficult to describe.
If you come back later and tell me there were twenty casualties I will still be at peace with my decision
"But I only fired six shots..."
*Park ranger's eyes turn completely black*
"I know. I caused the other fourteen."
Born and raised in West Virginia. Our hills or mountains can get treacherous. One time me and my 9 yr old daughter came to a really steep hillside. Only way down was me sliding down hill catching a root and talking her into sliding down for me to catch her. After a few slides we were at bottom.
Graddy is such a good dude even still trying to help find missing people in his 90s dude is just built different
It seems to me quite beautiful that his scent drifted down the creek clear to under the highway. What this is telling me is the dogs nose is so phenomenal as to follow that scent floating in the very air for prolonged periods. This tells me using a scent dog on a search is not only problematic, but training the handler is as important as training the dogs.
Can't wait for today's episode
Hey Brother and eagle scout here, love what you guys are doing, but I do miss the history segment. The Tennessee/North Carolina border is one of the only places I've gotten truly lost for about 2 hours my girlfriend at the time(now wife) and I went looking for the ghost town know as the "lost cove. The 2nd attempt we got back to the car about 15 min after "sunset" due to the mountains it had been dark for about 45 min. When we started the car we noticed head lights of a 70's Ford that had been parked up in elevation and deeper into the hills off the main road about 1/10 of a mile. We stayed parked and so did they, eventually we pulled onto the road and headed to a less back road and a 70s ford pickup followed us out for over 5 miles then u turned and drove away. One of the most ghost story feeling and creepy vibes I've ever felt. Go Blue!
I absolutely love your channel so much. It combines 4 of my favorite topics: history, survivalism, local legends and true crime.
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Imagine instead of being called the ‘Lore Lodge’ you were called the ‘Freaky Lodge’ and you just got really freaky
i second this
@@sierrabrooke515 ur boring the life outta me sierra
Best missing 411 channel
I don't think he had finished gathering wood for his fire. What probably happened is that he brought back some wood, was about to go out for more, but his feet hurt. He stopped to massage them, one at a time to reduce heat loss, and the moment he sat down he was overcome by exhaustion and passed out. Before he came to, hypothermia got him.
We've all been in situations where we've felt fine until we've sat down, and then felt completely drained. Especially after a hard day's work. So I'm sure at least some of you know the feeling.
As an avid AHOY watcher everytime the low “chapter” music kicks in i think hes gonna tell me the history of a firearm
Being a scout he should have had matches as well as a flint starter. The starter is a standard thing for the sole purpose of having the ability to start a fire without matches. This is odd on several levels.
@@user-xy6wu3xg2cSure, it's a trick you try once at summer camp to impress your friends, but unless you're really dedicated, most of your campfires are lit with a lighter.
Aden "I do have a survival badge... wait it might be for camping" 😅
It was cool to hear about your new organization for episodes. Looking forward to seeing more.
4:36 I like how he says it's a genuinely good meal and then proceeds to say it's great value
I met troop 95 at the 20 world jamboree and all the members there could start a fire a friction fire. And were super in to the buddy system( all ways 3 to a group). I now know why thanks
Please take a look at the mysterious death of Nora Quoirin! She was lost in the jungle for days but when she was found her feet were clean and without injuries.
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Ahhh...back to creepy missing people, LOVE IT! LOVE YOU guys! Thank you for your hard work. And your historical accuracy is refreshing.
It happened to me on more than one occasion, both in the woods and in the city, that I got completely confused and didn't know which way I was supposed to be going, even though I was in places I knew very well, which also had some pretty distinctive terrain features/buildings that really couldn't be mistaken for anything else. On all those occasions it was middle of the day, visibility was perfectly fine and I was completely sober - and each time it took me a good few minutes to realize my error, and then even longer to figure out which was the right direction. Had I been in some rough mountainous terrain when that happened, I could've easily stepped off the path or started walking in the direction I'd just come from thinking I was going forward. Not saying that that's what happens every time someone goes missing, but in my mind it is always a possibility.
I'm glad the history segments will continue in some form. I really wanted an hour at the start of your last video explaining how every native tribe built their traditional killdozers.
"Something compelled him to go the wrong way."
What if it was ADHD?
Cuz like... Sometimes i be going the wrong way for a half hour before i realize I'm an idiot...
RIGHT
Facts... I've done that walking in Manhattan where the streets are numbered, and I wasn't even stoned...
That 20-30 mins in the wrong direction can be A LOT of blocks
Being lost means you don't know where you are. He thought it was the right way.
I hear you on this... I lost my family in the same 3 small town dept stores at least once a month for my entire childhood. And I was yelled at for it every single time. Unfortunately, I genuinely liked to read books. I was reading at an 11th grade level in second grade & what is graciously slapped with the gifted kid label / curse. So I was misdiagnosed repeatedly as the depression and failures piled up (and later put on all kinds of meds that made me go crazy until my mid to late 20s) lol- literally the personification of "OOH! a butterfly!", and teachers perceived my childhood interests [ that were shaped by my parents rules forbidding me from any video games ever, or watching TV 4/7 days a week ] meant "numbers and science CAN'T really MAKE her cry, she just wants to skate by on all of those big, fancy words".
If you're right, I'm wondering if all his things piled on the rock away from him could have been from being overwhelmed. Maybe be was looking around for some clues or something he thought he dropped along his way, forgot his way back to it. Didn't realize how far away from it he got.
You have to stretch before that reach?
The trail starts at Springer Mountain in Fanin County Ga. Or like most hikers start from Amicalola State Park in Dawsonville Ga which would be the wisest way since you have to sign in that you are hiking the trail and how far.
Every time you show the loafer clip with wendigoon I crack up 😂
Hey I feel like the phenomenon of paradoxical undressing is something that could have been very helpful in explaining parts of this case! Just wondering why it wasn’t brought up?
I was wondering that as well
As someone who as hiked the whole AT you are right, a lot of people under estimate the trail and are woefully unprepared.
Ooo I'm so excited about this new format!! Thanks for trying to make it enjoyable for everyone! I like the history segments but sometimes I just wanna get to the story 😂
As a former scout, we were taught that putting wet clothes on a rock in the sun would dry them so it makes some sense to me that he would do that. That said, while I live in the general area of the Appalachian trail in Virginia where I live, it doesn't get as cold or as much snow. We also never went out like this (for as long a hike, in a national park) because we were younger scouts. Our area didn't have a leader for the old kids.
This is one of the best and most interesting channels on TH-cam!!
Love it!!
I watched the other video you releas d today and came back to watch this one.
Found this from the main page ‘post’
I’m subbed and TH-cam seems hit or miss when you get a new video out
Great breakdown. Thanks! One small observation on the rescue teams that participated in the search. It is more likely that the Greenville, South Carolina Fire & Rescue were involved in the search rather than Greenville, NC, simply due to proximity. Greenville, SC, is only 2.5 hours away from Gatlinburg, TN, and Greenville, NC, is almost 6.5 hours away. It doesn't really change anything in the storyline, but I'm just giving credit where credit is due. Thanks again.
Look up David "Smiley" Keel. Dover, Tn. Disappeared in Alaska.
I always like to remind myself how stupid people can be even if they think they're smart, especially so in that case. It really puts into perspective all these missing cases and how paranormal they probably aren't. People are dumb and careless.
Honestly im interested in what you got in store for the new video format you talked about in the end look forward to the content keep up the good work guys 👍
I was never in the scouts but have hiked and backpacked with several former scouts, including my friend that was a eagle scout. Scouting is a great way to get kids outdoors, out of the city, and provides a great community. But it seems to me to only provide a good foundation of outdoor skill to build on, not a definitive skill set. If you do something wrong, or even dangerous, scout leaders and peers are always near by to call it out. And while that's the best way to run a kids organization, it leaves a lot to be desired in terms of self reliance
It's really nice to see you applying a more critical form of analysis on this case.
Acknowledging a past misstep is also a really stand-up thing to do.
Personal development suits you, Aidan, I hope you keep it up in future. Well done!
This is an excellent video. Well done, guys. Just wanted to give props where they're due, since I left a critical comment on another video recently, and I genuinely like your channel a lot. Thanks for taking the time and making the effort to do solid research. I appreciate that, and I especially like the videos with the history lessons included.
I have only one more thing to add: This unfortunate tragedy may be completely explicable, but there honestly are some very disturbing, inexplicable things out there in the forests, and they can be TERRIFYING. I speak from experience.
All the best, N
People who haven't spent enough time alone in the bush just don't get it.
There's things out there that seemingly can't be explained, and are often best avoided. If you know, you know.
I jumped out of my freaking skin when Morristown was mentioned. I literally live about 25-30 minutes from there, and know exactly where he went to school at. Missing cases aren't often in the area I live in, but when they do happen, they're always strange or odd, if they even get solved. In Appalachia its easy to get turned around or lost if you don't know the area. You can walk up a hill and get lost just because the landscape changes and shifts so much. No doubt most of the 411's that happen here are likely those that didn't know the trail or area well, and just got lost...
Glad to see more cases from my area