I'm not reading all 500 comments to see if this has been noted, but she wore her nursing shoes for a hike because not many athletic shoes were manufactured in women's sizes in the 1950s. Several of the earliest women runners in the Boston Marathon competed in nursing shoes; if your feet weren't big enough for the smallest mens''shoes, they were the best readily available. alternative. (Edit: Can't grammar, fixed for clarity.)
Interesting…. What are the qualities of “nursing shoes”? As a waiter, I had to wear non-slips but they were all so fugly and black. There’s not even an emoji or an app for it.
As a woman who's been married and out of the house for 8 years, I tried to run from my father 3 times. If I had gotten lost trying to run I would have absolutely lied after being found, so he wouldn't abuse me after I was sent home with him. I find myself lying to this day to avoid "getting in trouble". Abuse will make you do crazy things, it changes the way your brain works, if you're scared enough you'll hide till you're more afraid of dying. I still wake up screaming some nights, she gives all the signs of a run gone wrong
Plus assuming the police would have helped with her situation with her father. Its pretty reasonable to assume that she assumed the police wouldn't do anything for her as her father literally beat her mother with a hose and is taking care of her 2 years later.
Sorry you had to put up with that crap I know what you mean I turned the other way with violence although you would never guess that now always defending the underdog got me in so much trouble when I was young up to my 30s glad to say I brought my kids up well always looked after them as any parent should it kills me anyone could harm a child nevermind there own but some should never have kids 😢 hope you heal eventually all the best to you ❤
Biologist here. The snake story is an example of Batesian mimicry, which is when a harmless species mimics the warning signs of harmful species as a means for protection.
Another wildlife bio here - copperhead bites are RARELY fatal. Should you screw with them? No, don't mess with snakes you can't identify (and don't harass wildlife in general). However, copperhead bites, while medically significant, are not typically fatal and treatment/antivenin is readily available at basically every major hospital within their range.
🎶 YoU cAn SmElL tHe WhIsKeY bUrNiN' dOwN cOpPeRhEaD aCcEsS rOaD 🎵🎶 No offense meant. That song just kept going through my head after hearing/seeing the word "copperhead" so much lol Thank you for the update! 😊
Yep, lmao. I remembered that ongoing thing that us true crime channel fans say, like "don't ever become a theme of the videos you watch" - and I'm thinking that Evangeline nowadays would be like "sorry, Aiden and Aiden, I thougt could be a missing person case for you to have more content, but then I remembered I have to go to work Monday morning." lol
I was thinking the reason why the searchers “never heard her yelling” was because she wasn’t. If she was actually in the woods as long as she was she was probably scared and malnourished, causing her to mildly hallucinate. She may have thought she was yelling for help when she really wasn’t due to lack of food and water, on top of exhaustion
Could be…many people in videos about being lost in the wild recount a time they hallucinated an approaching rescuer. But searchers may also just not have heard her. The wilderness is big and yelling seems loud, but can often not be heard as well as we would think. Most have us have been in a house and yelled for a family member to come up for dinner, or whatever, only to have them say they did not hear, despite being just downstairs, etc.
I mean it doesn't even take that much exhaustion or any hallucinations to think you were yelling for help. You ever been tired after you wake up, got up and got ready for the day and then realize you dreamt that all up and are still in bed? There's a good chance she was tired and drifting in and out of consciousness, herd someone yell but fell back into that half asleep state where she thought she yelled back.
"I have to work on Monday" is like, the absolute LAST thing that would get me to "leave" the woods. Hell, I have to go back to work on Monday and I low-key feel like getting LOST in the damn woods to avoid it tbh
When she talked about hearing the searchers and her dad but not being able to get to them, my first thought was that she might be experiencing psychosis due to the stress of being lost in the woods AND her father being mentally ill as well
I was thinking some of it could be down to her own mental illness too. Doesn't totally discount the hypothesis either. The truth is probably some combination of all of the above.
One thing i haven't seen anyone mention is that she might have been right about hearing people yell her name but they not hearing her sometimes the wind can carry voices farther then they otherwise travel but ofcourse if you yell back and are yelling against the wind depending on how far you are they can't hear you
Lmao that poor snake was probably so confused as to why the soft heated rock he found was suddenly screaming 😂 LOL and then unceremoniously swooped into a bag 😂😂😂
OMG that story brings to mind the time my mother, out camping as a teenager, shoved away the dog licking her face. But it wasn't one of the family dogs, safe at home. It was a bear. It must have been so shocked at being slapped when it was being chill...
theory - her dad might have said no to visiting the carolinas because of his upcoming tour. curious about the possibility of her intentionally leaving, traveling to the carolinas - to be with her “friend”, who talks with a level of knowing and intimacy about Evangeline that makes me think they could be more than friends. They stay together for a week or so then she makes her way back, her dad camping out on the highway to try to spot her on the return if she later informed him she’s alive and will come back. I can’t imagine being in the smokies for 18 days, being asked what I ate, and being like “uhhh berries? no more questions 🤚”
Thats what I thought when I heard about her "friend". And her father was an evangelist with serious mental issues, maybe she was _that_ worried hed find out she went to see her that she did this to cover it up
I couldn’t agree more. Everything about this story screamed that she was a lesbian who ran away from home and regretted the national attention. That’s why she communicated through her extremely close friends and neither of her parents, and if she had a history of fasting it wouldnt be hard to get a friend to drop her off back where she was lost after she fasted for a while to get her weight down and look gaunt. Also explains why the one family would have been weird about reporting her properly, she could have rode with them and told them not to tell where she was and they thought the better of it later.
My thoughts, too. She claimed to want to go back to work. However, she wanted her dad to take her to S.C. Either she thought if she did this for him, he would or she done it because he wouldn't. Either way, this was planned.
True, but also 1950s doctors were less likely to consider “religious paranoia” an issue compared to today. I feel they likely balance out and his commitment was most likely legitimate.
Given the time frame and age of the father, it's entirely possible he had complex PTSD from the war. I'd be interested to see if he had service records.
Another continent but the story here rings a bell to me. The timeframe is close as well. I had a really fanatic elder in the family whose diagnosis turned out to be paranoid schizophrenia. They were, among other things, out of family contact for several years doing ’Gods work’. Not even immediate family knew where but possibly out of the country. If a sizeable religious sect is decidedly harbouring one of their own and moving them around say three scandinavian countries, it is impossible to track down an adult who has gone out of their own will. But I digress. Regardless of diagnosis this line of events seems plausible to me.
Yeah, mental health was less understood, but on the other hand, everything was a lot more Christian as well. Not sure if they'd call anything "religious paranoia" without good reason. I wouldn't be surprised if that got you fired back then.
I love that you use the term 'hypothesis' (which is correct) instead of 'theory'. I wish more people got the distinction instead of thinking the two are interchangeable.
Exactly right. _Hypo_ means "under" (hypodermic, hypothermia). A hypothesis is not supported by as much evidence as a theory; it's beneath ("under") a theory.
@@moirarussell1950 Speaking the language correctly isn't pedantry, it's proficiency. While you might not care for the accurate use of words and their meanings, the very existence of language is predicated on the social agreement that words mean specific things.
The girl's statement saying I decided I was going to go home now because I had to be at work on Monday morning doesn't necessarily mean that it's a hoax or anything, but it is the way some people that believe in prayer And manifestation speak they say stuff about willing stuff into existence so she decided that she was no longer going to be lost. I mean that's not the same as whole thing doesn't sound fishy but that is another way of people speaking that are spiritual
My grandfather went by his middle name "Jasper", even though his first name was William. Most of the time that I saw him referenced in newspapers or other printed material (church fliers, invitations, etc), it'd be written "Wm. Jasper". I was born and raised in Tennessee and just assumed that this was a commonly used abbreviation everywhere. But, maybe it was a weird southern abbreviation.
@@warpdrivefueledbyinsomnia8165 I know it at least used to be used in Kansas and Oklahoma as of the early 1900s, can’t speak for elsewhere or other time periods.
I'm wondering if Tennessee having split time zones could account for her being spotted somewhere at 2:20pm, then being seen pretty far away at 2:40pm? I think one city was Knoxville, but I forget the 2nd city, but just throwing this out there as a possible explanation. Depending on the direction, that could make the sightings either 40 minutes apart, or an hour & 20 minutes apart.
In this area it’s the same time zone. EST Time zone doesn’t change until you go west, up on the plateau at Crossville TN. (This is if you were on I-40 going towards Nashville).
Not in the area she was in. It doesn’t change until quite a ways further west. Now Memphis and Knoxville have two different time zones but that isn’t what we are talking about.
I also want to point out this was a different time. They didn't have clocks like we do. Watches and things could be inaccurate. Being an hour behind, exactly 1 hour behind is not unlikely if you just aren't set to the right time zone.
I gotta say, nursing shoes are designed to support a person walking and working all day. They would make great hiking shoes, if the outside design would support it.
Schizophrenia symptoms usually begin in a persons early 20s, and her father was institutionalized. She may have had an episode, hearing voices in the mountains. Would be interesting to see if she had mental issues later in life
@@carolinecornelis40 no it doesn't, most of the supposed "health" benefits of ketosis are a total lie just eat 3 ish meals a day, not too much or little and a varied diet and you'll be good.
There's also the sightings of her outside the park. Do folks having a schizophrenic episode hitch-hike along a highway, and buy bus tickets? That's an honest question, I legit don't know.
We wore nursing shoes far marching band, my older sister and I, in the early and middle 1960s. They came in lots of sizes and were designed for comfort. 😅 Thanks for reminding me of those awesome times.
That poor snake. Found a warm spot for the night, woke up to some banshee screaming, then jabbed with a stick and shoved into an air tight sack. Poor guy was probably terrified to wake up surrounded by large bipedal predators. Bravely Stuck to its guns, pretend to be venomous and hope the semievolved lemurs leave you alone. Escape when they arent looking.
The bright side is that snakes are deaf, although it likely noticed the vibrations. Pretty safe bet to say that kid was screaming from his diaphragm 🫁🗣️
If I understood correctly they took the snake to the rangers, which most likely set it free. Now the poor little fella can tell the story of how he was abducted by aliens to his friends 😂
*channels, also it might be youtube having the auto unsub if you haven't watched a video from that channel in 9 months, it's not very consistent though.
@@BOTB_RBLX i'm german so my english grammer is shit. Also no, i travel a lot for Work and watch True Crime on the Train & ASMR/Tea at night in the Hotel. One by one my True Crime Channels disappeared. They even unsubbed me from Emily D Baker etc.
Not sure if it's already been mentioned, old UK records use Wm and Wh interchangeably as an abbreviation for William, could also be in US and the reason for the inconsistencies
To me" decided to leave the woods" could just mean that beforehand she was wandering around with the goal of finding her original trail or finding her dad or finding the searchers and at that point when she " decided to leave the woods" she simply changed her goal from trying to find the people who were looking for her to just walking until she is out of the trees and happened to find the trail in the process. I know I've done that before gotten turned around while walking through a wooded area And there's definitely a difference between wandering around to try and find the trail you were originally on and picking a direction and walking in a straight line until you are " out "
The whole timeline on this sorta makes me feel that this is how it works out when the Doctor from Doctor Who takes a random-ass person as a companion, they're just showing up in Cardiff, Edinburgh and San Francisco within 30 minutes on the same day
I've heard some of that, too, but it is more dependent on your age. (which translation, I guess, to human vs. Venom ration.) So like an adult probably wont die, but a kid might die if bitten. But ultamitly, think if you are bitten, they (docs) do want you to go to the ER just to be under observation in the waiting room.
@@merrymclaughlin923 yeah toddlers and the very elderly but copperheads pretty much book it when people are around …. We were more concerned about water moccasins and rattle snakes.
yeah i think you can treat with the same antivenom as rattlers and cottonmouths, as long as medical help is sought in a timely manner you'll be just fine if you're a healthy adult. kids, elderly, or immune-compromised tho, that's an emergency
I love when both you and Missing Enigma cover the same story not only because of the different story telling but also sometimes the different ways the same evidence is used to tell a story.
To the younger generation it was before cell phones, space shuttle, satellites, color tvs, microwave ovens so to them it is one generation after the dinosaurs died out.😂😂 BTW I was born in 1950.
Okay, as you were talking, my brain ended up in a similar conclusion. Her statements after and being very confusing makes me believe she made stuff up on the spot but then didn’t remember what she’d said before. My only other thought that is different from yours would be that she was seen at all those places but that maybe she was trying to secretly hide a boyfriend or lover or something. She ran away to be with that person, but before doing that she left a trail in the mountains and outside it to confuse people. Spent time with said person but did contact her dad to tell her she was fine and sadly he probably was unhappy but figured he could use it as a publicity thing before his tour. It’s all very bizarre but all I know is that I highly, highly doubt she was lost in the woods that long. Thank for yet another fascinating video guys!! ✌️💛
I'll take any chance to nerd out about my field hehehe. The snake imitating a copperhead is an example of Batesian mimicry! An animal with no other defense mechanisms evolves to imitate the coloration or sound of an animal that does, usually venom or bad taste to predators. There's also Mullerian mimicry, where a venomous/bad-tasting animal imitates another venomous/bad-tasting animal, so a predator only has to have an encounter with one species to avoid the rest. The one he described is probably a juvenile ratsnake. Great video as always!
Hi Aidens! How weird to find a random woman in the mountains instead of the woman you’re searching for. As for why wear nursing shoes, I was a nurse 20 years and I can tell you those shoes have to be comfortable for all the walking we do. It could have been that she was wearing them because they were comfortable. The father’s name would have been William, Wm is the abbreviation for William. Evangeline may have been trying to escape her father if he was having a violent episode. All the reported sightings were not helping. BTW, my birthday is also June 11th. 😂 Evangeline was definitely acting oddly when she showed up. I hope this wasn’t a publicity stunt. If so, they wasted a lot of people’s time and resources searching. It sure sounds fishy to me. The tips from the so-called friends who knew her are suspicious to me. Weird. 😳😒Thanks for the story. ❤
The idea that she was hooking up with Evangeline is the idea that makes the most sense to me. Especially with her odd relationship with her father where she both loved him but would obviously keep that sort of thing private and the language that Evangeline uses when talking about her. They hooked up but wanted to keep it private and probably got lost on the way back. There's a lot of general weirdness in the situation and the idea of her surviving on her own without food obviously doesn't make sense. It also sounds like she's trying to deflect from the questions at points and downplaying what happens. I generally dislike theories like that but it doesn't make sense to me otherwise.
That is not correct. Six day a week delivery has been typical since the 1860s. By the 1920s, Saturday delivery was everywhere. Many towns, in fact, had 2 deliveries a day, 6 days a week. Mail moved by train, so it was on a dependable schedule and it would not save money by not delivering on Saturday. Rather, it would cause congestion and gum up the works. Parenthetically, the system was very efficient then. In the late 40s, my father lived in Boulder, CO and my mother was in Chicago. If he posted a letter by 4 p.m., it was on her desk at 10 the next morning. Sorting took place on the trains.
I'd agree if you included "Freemason" in your statement, but there are plenty of other history channels that are much better IMO. His subscription to Freemasonry (he is a member) makes me wary of anything that might come from him.
Those old nurses shoes were very comfortable for those who had to stay on their feet for a long time. Also, they had good traction when pushing, pulling, lifting and squatting.
I think that maybe this is just a case of an odd person lost in the woods. I don't trust the newspapers as much as you do. I was a reporter for a bit and after a while I was just asking questions to get the gist of the story and listening for good quotes. Once I thought I knew what was going on and I heard some good quotes, I was out of there. Also hills, valleys, trees, wind and humidity can do strange things to sound. I think it's called acoustic shadows. So, I don't put much stock in the 'she should have heard us' stuff.
thank you! people turn into conspiracy theorists so fast, forgetting that the simplest explanation is usually the right one. not to mention a lot of people are being extremely unfair to a girl who was malnourished, dehydrated, exhausted and traumatized
The copperhead’s venom is relatively mild and very rarely leads to death. Seek medical attention immediately if bitten but they aren’t nowhere near as dangerous as many other snakes.
Another analysis by some herpetologist was that the venom is much stronger than people think, but most copperhead bites are warning bites. One experiment found they strike much more quickly than rattlesnakes or mocassins that have other warning systems (rattles or open mouth displays) but there's usually no real intent to inject venom.
Roughly 0.01% of copperhead bites result in fatalities. I'm from Southern West Virginia and the number of times I've seen in the news that someone had been bitten by a copperhead in a snake handling church is absurd 🤣 Jolo is the most prolific. There was a pastor in Rock that died from a rattlesnake bite incurred during the church service. They drink buttermilk when they get bitten, to coat the stomach lol
Finnish folklore has what is called _metsänpeitto_ , literally "woodscover" but meaning "Being hidden by the forest". It is characterized by getting lost, your surroundings (often a place you know) becoming eerie, quiet, alien with a sense of being watched. People who have experienced it may also have reported seeing strange creatures or unnaturally large animals, sometimes even being guarded by one. Searchers may walk past, just a few meters away, but the person under the spell cannot speak to them and they may later remember seeing a tree stump at the location where the lost peraon later recalls sranding while the searchers passed. I believe it is confusion mixed with fear, panic and old superstitions. However, the phenomenon and feeling is real. I have experienced it thrice. I don't attribute it to anything supernatural, but it is creepy.
I once woke up at camp with a scorpion and a bunch of spiders in my sleeping bag, also I once found a copperhead in my beanie baby collection, Oklahoma was a fun place
Just read about the 1942 L-8 US Navy “Ghost Blimp”! I’d loveeee to hear your take and research about it! You’re one of the best researches and journalists I’ve encountered… I LOVE your work and am SO grateful for the time you put into tracking down primary sources and exploring all possibilities of a thing!! You and your team are fantastic! 🥰🌲💀🕵🏻🔍🤔🧐
Dude, I love your show. You are a great investigator. So this all makes perfect sense to me. I'm a registered nurse, and for 26 years I've seen people in terrible circumstances, and how they try to naviagate them. Dig this: She's on a trip with her religious and mental health dad. She gets tired of it, she snaps, and makes an emotional decison to bale and hitch-hike (or something, anything, to get away from her dad. in emotional decision-making, all logic and reason goes out the window) her way to first somewhere, then changes her mind possibly and decides to head somewhere else. Human beings are fragile. Exhaustion, lack of nutrition, dehydration all contribute to her emotional storm of confusion and unsureness about where to go and what to do. No doubt she changed her mind a time or two when deciding what to do next. But at the end of the time she was lost and exhausted, she finally just gave up and perhaps decided she missed her dad after all and just wanted to down-play everything and get back to normalcy. Further consider just how many details in those articles may be wrong, through clerical error or simple miscommunication. I think there was no mischeif on her part; conspiracy, no weirdness, jut a young lady who got frustrated, ran away, and then got tired and missed her warm bed. She's actually very lucky to have survived all that!
Was going to be out hiking this weekend but came down with the flu. Found your channel and have been binging the videos while resting. Great job on the research and telling the stories in a clear and interesting way.
Here's something random and possibly interesting. I quite often switch between past and present tense incorrectly without even realizing it. It really just depends honestly. I wonder how many people do this regularly? Then people on the internet pick it up and think it means something deeper than it really is. Simply people misspeaking.
Same. If I am recalling a memory from the past (obviously) I will use past tense sometimes because that is where my mind is at the moment. And when I am talking about recent events I will use present tense.
Not just misspeaking either, it could have to do with the way an interviewer asked a question. We tend to respond to questions in the same tense they're asked.
Former biologist here. Spot on regarding the mimicry of toxic animals. There are many species that do this (those little hoverflies that look like wasps, for example).
Her being a closeted lesbian with a fanatical preacher father in the 1950s south, Ms Davis being her lover(thus the “I know her better than anyone“), and them spending a couple weeks together while she was “missing” explains every aspect of this.
I was thinking this! It explains so much, including the sightings of her hitchhiking to Memphis and leaving on a bus (likely to go see Ms Davis) and a reason Evangeline would have lied and given a half-assed story of staying in the woods the whole time.
@freyafernon7585 Exactly. Glad I wasn’t the only one who thought this😂 In fact, I thought thats where the story was going with the way he teased a “massive plot twist“ and once the weirdness with Ms Davis being sort of spiteful and saying she knows her better than anyone. It brings logic to a story that seems completely illogical on every level. Especially considering the extreme cultural dynamic someone like that would have felt in the 1950s south.
Except the weight loss? And how everybody took into consideration that she would have traveled to her friend, so it’s weird that if she was there nobody would encounter her during Mrs Davis interviews and so on. And what about the husband of the friend? Wasn’t he there? It’s an interesting theory, but it raises more questions than answers.
@mime514 Thats a fair point about the weight-loss. But the thing about the weight loss is thats 100% subjective. Its not like they weighed her before and after. They just threw a number out there. Whereas there are certain things that are not subjective.. She was missing for 3 weeks She had no food with her She was alive She was oddly healthy Her clothes weren’t worn out She had zero explanation for where she was for 21 days. Literally zero. It also accounts for the odd dynamic with Ms Davis. They met at some Bible camp. And now she just happens to be in the woods at same time when she happens to go “missing”? Saying things like “no one knows her as well as she does” in a spiteful way. And if she would “make sure to tell people if she was somewhere else”. I disagree that it gives more questions than answers. Its kinda the opposite actually. This theory accounts for by far the most factors in a story which on face value makes no sense at all. But obviously I’m not going to sit here and pound my fists on the proverbial table and say I’m definitely right. Odds are I’m probably not right about all of this. But I do think there’s a fairly decent chance that at the very least, the bones of this theory may have some validity.
@@alexandriaocasio-smollett5078 I genuinely think you’re onto something…it was around her birthday and she was still “missing” on the day of, maybe she wanted to spend some time with her secret lover to celebrate. Her father could’ve secretly known the sightings of her hitchhiking were true, maybe had a gut feeling she was actually visiting her, but didn’t want his gay daughter to bring “dirt” on the family name. He moved camp up toward the highway to scope things out, hoping that it’d be disproven, despite knowing that it was probably true. Also explains why he tried to get their attention back on the park and not other places.
Being off by an hour in a timeframe is too easy to do, especially ifon vacation. And no cell phones! Maybe no watches, it is an old story, i am old enough to remember adults not wanting to be on “ clock time” when camping!
At 74 I still live my life that way. There are certain things where the clock does matter and everything else happens when the stars align just right. I had high pressure jobs and often settled in positions where quality was cherished over quantity or the clock, within reason of course.
TN also has a switch between time zones, if they’d traveled across the time zone switch and forgot to change their watches then it’s very possible that they could’ve been off by almost exactly an hour because of it.
I just wanted to express my appreciation for your team’s ability to compile and convey all of the available information on these topics, keeping it interesting, never biased or embellishing, more importantly preserving it as truthfully as the information allows. You guys deserve to get stupidly rich off of this stuff. Much love and respect
I've been listening to the old episodes all week at work and had to muffle myself from laughing several times. You guys have grown so much in such a short amount of time and I'm weirdly proud??
I think it is totally reasonable that people are looking too far into some of her statements. By saying she screamed her lungs out but also didn't have the energy to shout when she heard rangers coming by, it's possible that what she meant by screamed her lungs out is that she had been previously screaming before the search and have lost her voice. It's also possible that her saying she had decided to come out was just another turn of phrase, like imagine there were some days where she was too weak to move but that last day she decided to get moving. You might say the reasoning she gave is strange, about starting work, but when you are desperate, energy starved, etc weird things can be sources of inspiration. Not saying there wasn't some sort of hoax involved, but her simply being lost for that amount of time seems reasonable and her statements seem odd on the face of it but they can be rationalized without too much effort.
The ONLY thing Paulides emphasizes in this case is her supposed state of 'confusion' after being without food for so long, and ONLY if you continue reading on, you will find this is a 'recurring theme'. I think if any of us went without food for this long, we'd be a bit 'confused, and we wouldn't need a book to tell us this. He even ackowledges that it might have been a staged event, but doesn't add anything more to it in his coverage. Very typical of Paulides to just end his 'story' where he sees fit.
Yea I stopped watching his vids a while ago because he ends things to make it fit his narrative. A lot of his missing people have more to them than what he covers. He’s gotta pay his bills and that’s fine but I won’t be contributing lol
Regardless of what you think about Paulides the fact is that these cases wouldn’t even be discussed if not for him. It’s impossible to cover, or even find, every detail of every case. Do you do any serious research yourself? If you do then you already know this
@@jakewinn as the extensive news coverage proves in this case, yes a lot of people would (and did) discuss the cases before he did. No one made the connection between them bc honestly there's not one if you don't have an agenda to prove. And the whole "do your research before you're allowed to criticize his" is absurd, the guy obviously only pursues the leads that proves what he wants to convey.
@@jakewinn Do you know how many times I see that? The ONLY reason you are hearing about some of these cases Paulides has labeled as '411', is for the fact that it is content that he has embellished for his grift. That's it. That's the backbone of the '411'. Do you honestly think that no one was looking into an open, and unsolved missing person case before Paulides cherry-picked it for his books?? Marten up. And yes, I do research some cases once in awhile, and I have yet to find one that doesn't have any discrepancies due to Paulides lying, omitting info, or just outright getting it wrong.
Your dog is adorable thanks for sharing him /her with us! Seems to love you❤️I can’t sit down with out my little one getting on my lap and laying down she thinks she owns me I guess she sort of does lol thx for another one you can tell you put a lot of work into these videos and your info is the usually the most accurate on the subjects you cover
As someone who was lost for 3 days as a toddler. The yelling thing is more accurate than you think. When you’re scared the brain tries to cope so it makes you hear the voices of your parents. At least I did and I always called back even though I wasn’t actually yelling to them
Whether day hiking or backpacking the smart move is to pack a reasonably sized fanny pack with survival essentials, a tightly rolled windbreaker and beanie AND CARRY IT EVERYWHERE. Even the more experienced of us know that you can get turned around and lost by simply walking from your camp, out to dig a cat hole. When “everything looks the same” an environment can get disorienting. Especially during overcast or rain. Survival items should include fire making, signaling, thermoregulation, a headlamp, water tabs and a few energy bars🫶🏼
@@BRENDANTHERED honestly I am about as anti Freemasonry as it gets, and I definitely disagree with Aidan on the subject, but that does not at all discredit the great work he does on these videos.
@dominic64tblightning24 I agree, it doesnt discredit Aidan in and of itself. However, it is reason enough (IMO) to be skeptical of everything he says. There is good reason people don't trust the freemasons, and secret societies in general, just ask around, especially the old timers.
I have a friend who casually told me she's gone a week without eating, as if it was as normal as taking a shower, the other week. I was flabbergasted but there really are folks out there Built Different
Love these Smokies videos. As someone who grew up in the foothills of the Smokies, being familiar with most of the areas and a number of the trails it makes the videos so interesting.
Copperhead bites very rarely kill. You can die, yes, absolutely. But with medical care, odds are you’ll be fine. I’d be more worried about the Eastern Diamondback and Timberback rattlesnakes. Eastern Diamondback is the most venomous reptile on the entire North American continent. Black widow spiders are actually the most venomous thing in North America.
Love your channel found you from the unsubscribe podcast, it was fantastic, I live in Montgomery county PA, go birds, go Phillies, your content is awesome, I love history and would love to chill one day and talk history
I got a totally legit explanation for this case. She accidentally wandered into a portal opened by Bigfoot and was trapped in an alternate dimension. Meanwhile another portal opened with her Doppelganger crawling out. While she was trapped in an alternate dimension, her Doppelganger chose to walk out the woods, and that's who the witnesses have seen. Then later, she magically returned to our dimension because Bigfoot was bored. At the same time, her Doppelganger melted into a puddle. Then she walked out of the park and was found. DUH. 🙈
I'd love you to consider covering the Jack Family disappearance. I've been trying for ages to work on the case, but I lack both the facilities and the time to invest into it. I'd be happy to talk through any research I've done, or just send you it, if there's an email. There's also a very good Real Horror video on it.
Some folks do not change their clocks for daylight savings time, settling to be an hour off for half the year. It’s possible that’s why they were off by an hour.
We bought a property, found out there were copperheads and now have been desperately researching anti-venom and how to get rid of snakes. Apparently they really don’t bother people unless you step in their dens. I don’t want to take a chance though.
I think you should at least give more credence to the possibility she was in the wood the whole time. Firstly it is not only possible for someone to survive 2 weeks with only a couple hand fulls of berries to eat but is very realistic. 2weeks without food but having water is easily survivable. Not comfortable but survivable. Especially when she lost 18 pounds doing so. Her slowing metabolism and lack of food could have easily made her think she heard her father calling over the mountains and made her weakened voice less likely to be heard by people. When she said she "decided" that it was time to come out of the woods is not really that uncommon of a situation just an odd way to phrase it. A lot of people that are lost and have to rescue themselves from similar situations say they had to consciously make the decision that it was time to just get themselves out. I'm not saying that your theory is necessarily wrong but not weighing the known factual evidence as being more important than a few "witnesses" seems a huge folly especially when eye witnesses are rarely the most accurate evidence you ever come across.
Your point is valid. She also could have fasted the whole time she was 'hoaxing'. Without that one point, the 18 lb. weight loss along with she fasted for a week often, brings a whole new dimension to the mystery. I would like to know what her nurse shoes looked like after two weeks. If she spent most of that time on main roads it is possible they were pretty clean. However two weeks walking and sleeping in the woods in the rain too would have them look a lot worse for wear than highway walking and bus riding. Also the father moving to the highway where she would be coming back from her trip is highly suspect.
Whenever a missing persons case is receiving a lot of media exposure, the number of reports of people who may only tangentially look like the missing person can get pretty overwhelming.
I grew up on 129 my whole life, and I can promise......being lost on foot anywhere near happy valley road in the 50s or 60s was not a good place to be for a woman.
i always tend to start your videos by watching, and then i usually stay listening while i start doing something nearby. this time i happened to look up and was caught off guard by your dog on your lap and had an instant laugh. it's the little things, ha.
just bought a füm because i literally just talked with my mom about how i want to try one of these alternatives to quit and you immediately started talking about one, so im taking that as a sign 😂
9:30 -ish That Copperhead mimicry isn't uncommon, actually... ...there's a snake called a Gopher Snake, pattern looks almost EXACTLY like a Diamond-Back Rattlesnake but it isn't venomous/has no fangs & doesn't have a rattle. It DOES, however, coil up JUST like one & hides its tail in dry grass/leaves, etc, then shakes it back&forth to simulate a Rattler's rattle (while doing said coil pose). Rattler's are members of the Viper family, they have an infrared-like gland by their olfactories (why they're such good night-hunters, but can also identify other Vipers this way)...point being the Gopher Snake would be unable to observe this behaviour in order to adapt it without being busted & eaten. They're simply just designed that way. It's FASCINATING, actually~
I was listening to this almost as a podcast while driving past US-129, Alcoa Highway, in Knoxville, Tennessee. It’s almost surreal to hear so much about my hometown. Also almost no one I’ve met says “Four One One” always “Four Eleven” I get the coincidence though.
The friend saying how she knows the girl more than anyone else reminds me of something my mom would do. If someone accused a friend or family member of running away or faking being lost, my mom would be all "I KNOW THEM BETTER THAN ANYONE THEY WOULD NEVER DO THAT THEY WOULD TELL ME THEY'RE OKAY." Meanwhile my brother ran away from home when he was a teen and definitely did not tell her where he was or if he was okay.
I'm not reading all 500 comments to see if this has been noted, but she wore her nursing shoes for a hike because not many athletic shoes were manufactured in women's sizes in the 1950s. Several of the earliest women runners in the Boston Marathon competed in nursing shoes; if your feet weren't big enough for the smallest mens''shoes, they were the best readily available. alternative. (Edit: Can't grammar, fixed for clarity.)
Yeah, nursing shoes in general are designed to be supportive and comfortable, so I can see them being an alternative.
Very interesting. I just thought they may have been the only other shoes she had apart from her best ones for church or something.
Your smart lol thanks
Nursing shoes have been designed for hard work and long days since decades
Interesting…. What are the qualities of “nursing shoes”? As a waiter, I had to wear non-slips but they were all so fugly and black. There’s not even an emoji or an app for it.
Mad respect for a reptile willing to change it's physiology just to F with boyscouts.
Lmao!!!
@@ghosttheoremproductions5469 lmao !!! Thats why they are evil 😁
@@FeliciaSquires - Boyscouts probably aren't THAT bad
@@ghosttheoremproductions5469 LMAO
@@ghosttheoremproductions5469 lmao not the boy scouts!!!!
As a woman who's been married and out of the house for 8 years, I tried to run from my father 3 times. If I had gotten lost trying to run I would have absolutely lied after being found, so he wouldn't abuse me after I was sent home with him. I find myself lying to this day to avoid "getting in trouble". Abuse will make you do crazy things, it changes the way your brain works, if you're scared enough you'll hide till you're more afraid of dying. I still wake up screaming some nights, she gives all the signs of a run gone wrong
Sounds like shes mentally ill to me. There's no amount of logic you can assign to someone when they have an episode.
Plus assuming the police would have helped with her situation with her father. Its pretty reasonable to assume that she assumed the police wouldn't do anything for her as her father literally beat her mother with a hose and is taking care of her 2 years later.
Sorry you had to put up with that crap I know what you mean I turned the other way with violence although you would never guess that now always defending the underdog got me in so much trouble when I was young up to my 30s glad to say I brought my kids up well always looked after them as any parent should it kills me anyone could harm a child nevermind there own but some should never have kids 😢 hope you heal eventually all the best to you ❤
Biologist here. The snake story is an example of Batesian mimicry, which is when a harmless species mimics the warning signs of harmful species as a means for protection.
My money's on the sleeping bag snake being an eastern hognose or an eastern milksnake.
And it obviously works! Lol
That’s the term I forgot on my ecology final a few weeks ago! I’ve been wondering, but I was also too lazy to look it up lol
Missed opportunity to use the term mimesis
Another wildlife bio here - copperhead bites are RARELY fatal. Should you screw with them? No, don't mess with snakes you can't identify (and don't harass wildlife in general). However, copperhead bites, while medically significant, are not typically fatal and treatment/antivenin is readily available at basically every major hospital within their range.
My girl just wanted to be left alone to rot in the woods like a hag for a couple weeks, extremely relatable tbh
hot girl isolation era
🎵🎶gimme the peat, boys and free my soul / I wanna lay down in a mossy hole / and drift away 🎶🎵
@@CandiceLemonSharks this is my new anthem 🫡
@@goosegirl941me too 🫡
🎶 YoU cAn SmElL tHe WhIsKeY bUrNiN' dOwN cOpPeRhEaD aCcEsS rOaD 🎵🎶
No offense meant. That song just kept going through my head after hearing/seeing the word "copperhead" so much lol
Thank you for the update! 😊
@34:58 "Sorry, I can't be a Missing-411 victim, I have to show up for work on Monday." 🤣
A two week vacation of just sitting in the woods sounds pretty nice
Yep, lmao. I remembered that ongoing thing that us true crime channel fans say, like "don't ever become a theme of the videos you watch" - and I'm thinking that Evangeline nowadays would be like "sorry, Aiden and Aiden, I thougt could be a missing person case for you to have more content, but then I remembered I have to go to work Monday morning." lol
@@ingridn0gwhen you wanna be the local myth but got bills to pay
Yeah if I go missing just check my workplace I’ll be there. lol
I was thinking the reason why the searchers “never heard her yelling” was because she wasn’t. If she was actually in the woods as long as she was she was probably scared and malnourished, causing her to mildly hallucinate. She may have thought she was yelling for help when she really wasn’t due to lack of food and water, on top of exhaustion
Could be…many people in videos about being lost in the wild recount a time they hallucinated an approaching rescuer.
But searchers may also just not have heard her. The wilderness is big and yelling seems loud, but can often not be heard as well as we would think.
Most have us have been in a house and yelled for a family member to come up for dinner, or whatever, only to have them say they did not hear, despite being just downstairs, etc.
I mean it doesn't even take that much exhaustion or any hallucinations to think you were yelling for help.
You ever been tired after you wake up, got up and got ready for the day and then realize you dreamt that all up and are still in bed?
There's a good chance she was tired and drifting in and out of consciousness, herd someone yell but fell back into that half asleep state where she thought she yelled back.
"I have to work on Monday" is like, the absolute LAST thing that would get me to "leave" the woods.
Hell, I have to go back to work on Monday and I low-key feel like getting LOST in the damn woods to avoid it tbh
Man, that's all of us.
😂😂😂😂
Right?! I'd look at the calendar, see Monday is approaching and just walk deeper into the woods 💀
this was the 50s though. a summer's savings could buy you a sports car.
@@venturisventis doesn't mean i'd want to work though!
When she talked about hearing the searchers and her dad but not being able to get to them, my first thought was that she might be experiencing psychosis due to the stress of being lost in the woods AND her father being mentally ill as well
I was thinking some of it could be down to her own mental illness too. Doesn't totally discount the hypothesis either. The truth is probably some combination of all of the above.
One thing i haven't seen anyone mention is that she might have been right about hearing people yell her name but they not hearing her sometimes the wind can carry voices farther then they otherwise travel but ofcourse if you yell back and are yelling against the wind depending on how far you are they can't hear you
Lmao that poor snake was probably so confused as to why the soft heated rock he found was suddenly screaming 😂 LOL and then unceremoniously swooped into a bag 😂😂😂
OMG that story brings to mind the time my mother, out camping as a teenager, shoved away the dog licking her face. But it wasn't one of the family dogs, safe at home. It was a bear. It must have been so shocked at being slapped when it was being chill...
Would that I had a wife who felt toward me like snakes feel toward warm rocks...
@@Beespank
Some reason, I can't help but think: "WEIRDEST off-Broadway recreation of Full Metal Jacket's blanket-party scene, EVER", LMFAO~
@@Peacebunnie "I slapped a bear, don't think I won't slap you!"
@@Peacebunnie
...and now I'm thinking of Close-Up toothpaste ads...
(I think I need to get out more, apparently)~
theory - her dad might have said no to visiting the carolinas because of his upcoming tour. curious about the possibility of her intentionally leaving, traveling to the carolinas - to be with her “friend”, who talks with a level of knowing and intimacy about Evangeline that makes me think they could be more than friends. They stay together for a week or so then she makes her way back, her dad camping out on the highway to try to spot her on the return if she later informed him she’s alive and will come back. I can’t imagine being in the smokies for 18 days, being asked what I ate, and being like “uhhh berries? no more questions 🤚”
Thats what I thought when I heard about her "friend". And her father was an evangelist with serious mental issues, maybe she was _that_ worried hed find out she went to see her that she did this to cover it up
"why is everyone so concerned with food?" 😂
"Any queerness I have is to my own self" she said it herself 😆
I couldn’t agree more. Everything about this story screamed that she was a lesbian who ran away from home and regretted the national attention. That’s why she communicated through her extremely close friends and neither of her parents, and if she had a history of fasting it wouldnt be hard to get a friend to drop her off back where she was lost after she fasted for a while to get her weight down and look gaunt. Also explains why the one family would have been weird about reporting her properly, she could have rode with them and told them not to tell where she was and they thought the better of it later.
My thoughts, too. She claimed to want to go back to work. However, she wanted her dad to take her to S.C. Either she thought if she did this for him, he would or she done it because he wouldn't. Either way, this was planned.
I wonder if her saying “I decided to get out” was maybe more like “I realised ‘no ones coming for me’ so decided I had to get myself out”
That’s what I thought…..
Probably
For her dads medical history- I feel like it worth noting these are 1950s mental hospitals so probably not the most accurate when diagnosing people
True, but also 1950s doctors were less likely to consider “religious paranoia” an issue compared to today. I feel they likely balance out and his commitment was most likely legitimate.
Given the time frame and age of the father, it's entirely possible he had complex PTSD from the war. I'd be interested to see if he had service records.
Another continent but the story here rings a bell to me. The timeframe is close as well. I had a really fanatic elder in the family whose diagnosis turned out to be paranoid schizophrenia. They were, among other things, out of family contact for several years doing ’Gods work’. Not even immediate family knew where but possibly out of the country. If a sizeable religious sect is decidedly harbouring one of their own and moving them around say three scandinavian countries, it is impossible to track down an adult who has gone out of their own will. But I digress.
Regardless of diagnosis this line of events seems plausible to me.
Yeah, mental health was less understood, but on the other hand, everything was a lot more Christian as well. Not sure if they'd call anything "religious paranoia" without good reason.
I wouldn't be surprised if that got you fired back then.
@@wrengiles7984 That's... quite possible. That can manifest in a sensation of seeing demons, which could be what this is referring to.
I love that you use the term 'hypothesis' (which is correct) instead of 'theory'. I wish more people got the distinction instead of thinking the two are interchangeable.
Exactly right. _Hypo_ means "under" (hypodermic, hypothermia). A hypothesis is not supported by as much evidence as a theory; it's beneath ("under") a theory.
Now look up pedantic 😂
@@moirarussell1950 Speaking the language correctly isn't pedantry, it's proficiency. While you might not care for the accurate use of words and their meanings, the very existence of language is predicated on the social agreement that words mean specific things.
The girl's statement saying I decided I was going to go home now because I had to be at work on Monday morning doesn't necessarily mean that it's a hoax or anything, but it is the way some people that believe in prayer And manifestation speak they say stuff about willing stuff into existence so she decided that she was no longer going to be lost. I mean that's not the same as whole thing doesn't sound fishy but that is another way of people speaking that are spiritual
Depending on how the “W.M.” was written, it may be short for just his first name “Wm” was a common abbreviation of William for a ling time.
well W M
could mean William then the M could mean the last name starting with the letter M,
In abbreviation for William, it's Wm.
W. M. Means William in the Appalachians and W.H. would be William H so the H is his middle name
My grandfather went by his middle name "Jasper", even though his first name was William. Most of the time that I saw him referenced in newspapers or other printed material (church fliers, invitations, etc), it'd be written "Wm. Jasper". I was born and raised in Tennessee and just assumed that this was a commonly used abbreviation everywhere. But, maybe it was a weird southern abbreviation.
@@warpdrivefueledbyinsomnia8165 I know it at least used to be used in Kansas and Oklahoma as of the early 1900s, can’t speak for elsewhere or other time periods.
I'm wondering if Tennessee having split time zones could account for her being spotted somewhere at 2:20pm, then being seen pretty far away at 2:40pm? I think one city was Knoxville, but I forget the 2nd city, but just throwing this out there as a possible explanation. Depending on the direction, that could make the sightings either 40 minutes apart, or an hour & 20 minutes apart.
Came to post the exact same thing. It could be as simple as someone not changing their watch as they cross time zones.
In this area it’s the same time zone. EST Time zone doesn’t change until you go west, up on the plateau at Crossville TN. (This is if you were on I-40 going towards Nashville).
Good point if that's actually the case.
Not in the area she was in. It doesn’t change until quite a ways further west. Now Memphis and Knoxville have two different time zones but that isn’t what we are talking about.
I also want to point out this was a different time. They didn't have clocks like we do. Watches and things could be inaccurate. Being an hour behind, exactly 1 hour behind is not unlikely if you just aren't set to the right time zone.
I gotta say, nursing shoes are designed to support a person walking and working all day. They would make great hiking shoes, if the outside design would support it.
Watching Aiden try to talk with his hands and not boop the dog sitting in his lap is the best part of this video
I hate this comment so much
@@iSaidNo666what why 💀
Schizophrenia symptoms usually begin in a persons early 20s, and her father was institutionalized. She may have had an episode, hearing voices in the mountains. Would be interesting to see if she had mental issues later in life
Especially when you're expecting 'God' to speak to you and to lead you out of trouble 'miraculously.'
I was thinking this as well. Also I had a little rant about disorientation due to lack of rest and water 😅
Except being in ketosis would alleviate schizophrenia symptoms, no?
@@carolinecornelis40 no it doesn't, most of the supposed "health" benefits of ketosis are a total lie just eat 3 ish meals a day, not too much or little and a varied diet and you'll be good.
There's also the sightings of her outside the park. Do folks having a schizophrenic episode hitch-hike along a highway, and buy bus tickets?
That's an honest question, I legit don't know.
We wore nursing shoes far marching band, my older sister and I, in the early and middle 1960s. They came in lots of sizes and were designed for comfort. 😅 Thanks for reminding me of those awesome times.
That poor snake.
Found a warm spot for the night, woke up to some banshee screaming, then jabbed with a stick and shoved into an air tight sack.
Poor guy was probably terrified to wake up surrounded by large bipedal predators.
Bravely Stuck to its guns, pretend to be venomous and hope the semievolved lemurs leave you alone.
Escape when they arent looking.
"Semi evolved lemurs" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The bright side is that snakes are deaf, although it likely noticed the vibrations. Pretty safe bet to say that kid was screaming from his diaphragm 🫁🗣️
If I understood correctly they took the snake to the rangers, which most likely set it free. Now the poor little fella can tell the story of how he was abducted by aliens to his friends 😂
Watched when you only had 5k but at somepoint YT unsubscribed me from a bunch of "true crime related" channel! So happy to have found you again!
Sick Manson lamps.
*channels, also it might be youtube having the auto unsub if you haven't watched a video from that channel in 9 months, it's not very consistent though.
*chanel @@BOTB_RBLX
@@BOTB_RBLX I was gonna say that can't be consistent at all. I have about 100 channels I'd like to get rid of but I'm still subbed to them
@@BOTB_RBLX i'm german so my english grammer is shit. Also no, i travel a lot for Work and watch True Crime on the Train & ASMR/Tea at night in the Hotel. One by one my True Crime Channels disappeared. They even unsubbed me from Emily D Baker etc.
Not sure if it's already been mentioned, old UK records use Wm and Wh interchangeably as an abbreviation for William, could also be in US and the reason for the inconsistencies
This is so interesting
To me" decided to leave the woods" could just mean that beforehand she was wandering around with the goal of finding her original trail or finding her dad or finding the searchers and at that point when she " decided to leave the woods" she simply changed her goal from trying to find the people who were looking for her to just walking until she is out of the trees and happened to find the trail in the process. I know I've done that before gotten turned around while walking through a wooded area And there's definitely a difference between wandering around to try and find the trail you were originally on and picking a direction and walking in a straight line until you are " out "
When she walked out of the woods I spit my beer.
The whole timeline on this sorta makes me feel that this is how it works out when the Doctor from Doctor Who takes a random-ass person as a companion, they're just showing up in Cardiff, Edinburgh and San Francisco within 30 minutes on the same day
I grew up in the south and even though copperhead bites hurt like hell they are almost never fatal.
It sounds like you've been bit by one
I've heard some of that, too, but it is more dependent on your age. (which translation, I guess, to human vs. Venom ration.) So like an adult probably wont die, but a kid might die if bitten.
But ultamitly, think if you are bitten, they (docs) do want you to go to the ER just to be under observation in the waiting room.
@@slendergainz no …. I would have died of a heart attack… i have a serious snake phobia 😁
@@merrymclaughlin923 yeah toddlers and the very elderly but copperheads pretty much book it when people are around …. We were more concerned about water moccasins and rattle snakes.
yeah i think you can treat with the same antivenom as rattlers and cottonmouths, as long as medical help is sought in a timely manner you'll be just fine if you're a healthy adult. kids, elderly, or immune-compromised tho, that's an emergency
Bro, Dude was on that “be a dear for daddy and get yourself lost in the forest” tip
Of the countless missing person cases I have heard over the years, not a single one was resolved with the words, "I have to be at work on Monday."
I love when both you and Missing Enigma cover the same story not only because of the different story telling but also sometimes the different ways the same evidence is used to tell a story.
Way back in 1951!! That's the year I was born. OK, I'm 73, but it's not like that's 200 years ago! 😂❤
To the younger generation it was before cell phones, space shuttle, satellites, color tvs, microwave ovens so to them it is one generation after the dinosaurs died out.😂😂 BTW I was born in 1950.
i was borin in 1946
Tell me about the distant past when radio was black and white only and rubber boots were made out of wood.
To someone in their mid 20s, like Aiden, that long ago might as well be ancient history. It's almost 3 lifetimes to him.
@@jeezycreezy4220 Yeah. I don't understand those youngsters any more, and I'm 30 years closer to them.
Okay, as you were talking, my brain ended up in a similar conclusion. Her statements after and being very confusing makes me believe she made stuff up on the spot but then didn’t remember what she’d said before. My only other thought that is different from yours would be that she was seen at all those places but that maybe she was trying to secretly hide a boyfriend or lover or something. She ran away to be with that person, but before doing that she left a trail in the mountains and outside it to confuse people. Spent time with said person but did contact her dad to tell her she was fine and sadly he probably was unhappy but figured he could use it as a publicity thing before his tour. It’s all very bizarre but all I know is that I highly, highly doubt she was lost in the woods that long.
Thank for yet another fascinating video guys!! ✌️💛
I'll take any chance to nerd out about my field hehehe. The snake imitating a copperhead is an example of Batesian mimicry! An animal with no other defense mechanisms evolves to imitate the coloration or sound of an animal that does, usually venom or bad taste to predators. There's also Mullerian mimicry, where a venomous/bad-tasting animal imitates another venomous/bad-tasting animal, so a predator only has to have an encounter with one species to avoid the rest. The one he described is probably a juvenile ratsnake. Great video as always!
Hi Aidens! How weird to find a random woman in the mountains instead of the woman you’re searching for. As for why wear nursing shoes, I was a nurse 20 years and I can tell you those shoes have to be comfortable for all the walking we do. It could have been that she was wearing them because they were comfortable. The father’s name would have been William, Wm is the abbreviation for William. Evangeline may have been trying to escape her father if he was having a violent episode. All the reported sightings were not helping. BTW, my birthday is also June 11th. 😂 Evangeline was definitely acting oddly when she showed up. I hope this wasn’t a publicity stunt. If so, they wasted a lot of people’s time and resources searching. It sure sounds fishy to me. The tips from the so-called friends who knew her are suspicious to me. Weird. 😳😒Thanks for the story. ❤
The idea that she was hooking up with Evangeline is the idea that makes the most sense to me. Especially with her odd relationship with her father where she both loved him but would obviously keep that sort of thing private and the language that Evangeline uses when talking about her. They hooked up but wanted to keep it private and probably got lost on the way back. There's a lot of general weirdness in the situation and the idea of her surviving on her own without food obviously doesn't make sense. It also sounds like she's trying to deflect from the questions at points and downplaying what happens. I generally dislike theories like that but it doesn't make sense to me otherwise.
@@johnnyboy2537 I agree. It’s the only explanation that makes any sense at all.
Mail delivery didn't occur on Saturday back then... that's a more recent change. Mail delivery was only Monday through Friday
That is not correct. Six day a week delivery has been typical since the 1860s. By the 1920s, Saturday delivery was everywhere. Many towns, in fact, had 2 deliveries a day, 6 days a week. Mail moved by train, so it was on a dependable schedule and it would not save money by not delivering on Saturday. Rather, it would cause congestion and gum up the works. Parenthetically, the system was very efficient then. In the late 40s, my father lived in Boulder, CO and my mother was in Chicago. If he posted a letter by 4 p.m., it was on her desk at 10 the next morning. Sorting took place on the trains.
If there were a "best researcher on TH-cam" award you would definitely be nominated
Ironic to say on the video where he says nearly word for word "there were too many results so I didn't go through them." lol.
I'd agree if you included "Freemason" in your statement, but there are plenty of other history channels that are much better IMO. His subscription to Freemasonry (he is a member) makes me wary of anything that might come from him.
@@BOTB_RBLXI knowww.
@@BRENDANTHEREDsubscription? Your use of "subscription" supports not taking anything you say seriously.
@jonyemm Lol, it's a brotherhood he subscribes to, through his membership, is it not?
Those old nurses shoes were very comfortable for those who had to stay on their feet for a long time. Also, they had good traction when pushing, pulling, lifting and squatting.
I think that maybe this is just a case of an odd person lost in the woods. I don't trust the newspapers as much as you do. I was a reporter for a bit and after a while I was just asking questions to get the gist of the story and listening for good quotes. Once I thought I knew what was going on and I heard some good quotes, I was out of there. Also hills, valleys, trees, wind and humidity can do strange things to sound. I think it's called acoustic shadows. So, I don't put much stock in the 'she should have heard us' stuff.
thank you! people turn into conspiracy theorists so fast, forgetting that the simplest explanation is usually the right one. not to mention a lot of people are being extremely unfair to a girl who was malnourished, dehydrated, exhausted and traumatized
The copperhead’s venom is relatively mild and very rarely leads to death. Seek medical attention immediately if bitten but they aren’t nowhere near as dangerous as many other snakes.
Yup and the antivenom is only like $60k per serving
Another analysis by some herpetologist was that the venom is much stronger than people think, but most copperhead bites are warning bites. One experiment found they strike much more quickly than rattlesnakes or mocassins that have other warning systems (rattles or open mouth displays) but there's usually no real intent to inject venom.
I was going to say the same thing. Very rare to die from a Copperheads venom.
I've always heard the opposite with copperheads being the major venom snake in northern Indiana always was told to be very wary of them
Roughly 0.01% of copperhead bites result in fatalities.
I'm from Southern West Virginia and the number of times I've seen in the news that someone had been bitten by a copperhead in a snake handling church is absurd 🤣 Jolo is the most prolific. There was a pastor in Rock that died from a rattlesnake bite incurred during the church service. They drink buttermilk when they get bitten, to coat the stomach lol
Finnish folklore has what is called _metsänpeitto_ , literally "woodscover" but meaning "Being hidden by the forest".
It is characterized by getting lost, your surroundings (often a place you know) becoming eerie, quiet, alien with a sense of being watched. People who have experienced it may also have reported seeing strange creatures or unnaturally large animals, sometimes even being guarded by one. Searchers may walk past, just a few meters away, but the person under the spell cannot speak to them and they may later remember seeing a tree stump at the location where the lost peraon later recalls sranding while the searchers passed.
I believe it is confusion mixed with fear, panic and old superstitions. However, the phenomenon and feeling is real. I have experienced it thrice. I don't attribute it to anything supernatural, but it is creepy.
I once woke up at camp with a scorpion and a bunch of spiders in my sleeping bag, also I once found a copperhead in my beanie baby collection, Oklahoma was a fun place
I’m going to screenshot this comment and sent it to anyone that asks me why I have no interest in camping
Your pup looking off to the side like the Emperor on a Romen coin. Respect bro.
Just read about the 1942 L-8 US Navy “Ghost Blimp”!
I’d loveeee to hear your take and research about it!
You’re one of the best researches and journalists I’ve encountered… I LOVE your work and am SO grateful for the time you put into tracking down primary sources and exploring all possibilities of a thing!!
You and your team are fantastic! 🥰🌲💀🕵🏻🔍🤔🧐
Dude, I love your show. You are a great investigator.
So this all makes perfect sense to me. I'm a registered nurse, and for 26 years I've seen people in terrible circumstances, and how they try to naviagate them. Dig this:
She's on a trip with her religious and mental health dad. She gets tired of it, she snaps, and makes an emotional decison to bale and hitch-hike (or something, anything, to get away from her dad. in emotional decision-making, all logic and reason goes out the window) her way to first somewhere, then changes her mind possibly and decides to head somewhere else.
Human beings are fragile. Exhaustion, lack of nutrition, dehydration all contribute to her emotional storm of confusion and unsureness about where to go and what to do. No doubt she changed her mind a time or two when deciding what to do next. But at the end of the time she was lost and exhausted, she finally just gave up and perhaps decided she missed her dad after all and just wanted to down-play everything and get back to normalcy.
Further consider just how many details in those articles may be wrong, through clerical error or simple miscommunication.
I think there was no mischeif on her part; conspiracy, no weirdness, jut a young lady who got frustrated, ran away, and then got tired and missed her warm bed. She's actually very lucky to have survived all that!
I like that you’re open to new info. Missing Enigma does great work and definitely changed my outlook on the Charles McCullar case.
Was going to be out hiking this weekend but came down with the flu. Found your channel and have been binging the videos while resting. Great job on the research and telling the stories in a clear and interesting way.
Here's something random and possibly interesting. I quite often switch between past and present tense incorrectly without even realizing it. It really just depends honestly. I wonder how many people do this regularly? Then people on the internet pick it up and think it means something deeper than it really is. Simply people misspeaking.
Same! I feel like it's a really common thing to do. I see other people do it all the time, even when writing.
Same. If I am recalling a memory from the past (obviously) I will use past tense sometimes because that is where my mind is at the moment. And when I am talking about recent events I will use present tense.
Not just misspeaking either, it could have to do with the way an interviewer asked a question. We tend to respond to questions in the same tense they're asked.
Former biologist here. Spot on regarding the mimicry of toxic animals. There are many species that do this (those little hoverflies that look like wasps, for example).
Her being a closeted lesbian with a fanatical preacher father in the 1950s south, Ms Davis being her lover(thus the “I know her better than anyone“), and them spending a couple weeks together while she was “missing” explains every aspect of this.
I was thinking this! It explains so much, including the sightings of her hitchhiking to Memphis and leaving on a bus (likely to go see Ms Davis) and a reason Evangeline would have lied and given a half-assed story of staying in the woods the whole time.
@freyafernon7585 Exactly. Glad I wasn’t the only one who thought this😂
In fact, I thought thats where the story was going with the way he teased a “massive plot twist“ and once the weirdness with Ms Davis being sort of spiteful and saying she knows her better than anyone. It brings logic to a story that seems completely illogical on every level. Especially considering the extreme cultural dynamic someone like that would have felt in the 1950s south.
Except the weight loss? And how everybody took into consideration that she would have traveled to her friend, so it’s weird that if she was there nobody would encounter her during Mrs Davis interviews and so on. And what about the husband of the friend? Wasn’t he there? It’s an interesting theory, but it raises more questions than answers.
@mime514 Thats a fair point about the weight-loss. But the thing about the weight loss is thats 100% subjective. Its not like they weighed her before and after. They just threw a number out there.
Whereas there are certain things that are not subjective..
She was missing for 3 weeks
She had no food with her
She was alive
She was oddly healthy
Her clothes weren’t worn out
She had zero explanation for where she was for 21 days. Literally zero.
It also accounts for the odd dynamic with Ms Davis. They met at some Bible camp. And now she just happens to be in the woods at same time when she happens to go “missing”? Saying things like “no one knows her as well as she does” in a spiteful way. And if she would “make sure to tell people if she was somewhere else”.
I disagree that it gives more questions than answers. Its kinda the opposite actually. This theory accounts for by far the most factors in a story which on face value makes no sense at all.
But obviously I’m not going to sit here and pound my fists on the proverbial table and say I’m definitely right. Odds are I’m probably not right about all of this. But I do think there’s a fairly decent chance that at the very least, the bones of this theory may have some validity.
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I genuinely think you’re onto something…it was around her birthday and she was still “missing” on the day of, maybe she wanted to spend some time with her secret lover to celebrate. Her father could’ve secretly known the sightings of her hitchhiking were true, maybe had a gut feeling she was actually visiting her, but didn’t want his gay daughter to bring “dirt” on the family name. He moved camp up toward the highway to scope things out, hoping that it’d be disproven, despite knowing that it was probably true. Also explains why he tried to get their attention back on the park and not other places.
I think you got it right, Aiden. Thanks for this research.
Being off by an hour in a timeframe is too easy to do, especially ifon vacation. And no cell phones! Maybe no watches, it is an old story, i am old enough to remember adults not wanting to be on “ clock time” when camping!
At 74 I still live my life that way. There are certain things where the clock does matter and everything else happens when the stars align just right. I had high pressure jobs and often settled in positions where quality was cherished over quantity or the clock, within reason of course.
TN also has a switch between time zones, if they’d traveled across the time zone switch and forgot to change their watches then it’s very possible that they could’ve been off by almost exactly an hour because of it.
The Liguored Lounge should put an ingredient list out at least a few days before the episode so people can get there ingredients in advance!
I just wanted to express my appreciation for your team’s ability to compile and convey all of the available information on these topics, keeping it interesting, never biased or embellishing, more importantly preserving it as truthfully as the information allows. You guys deserve to get stupidly rich off of this stuff. Much love and respect
I've been listening to the old episodes all week at work and had to muffle myself from laughing several times. You guys have grown so much in such a short amount of time and I'm weirdly proud??
Subbed 👍🏼 @6:35 ur narration is awesome ofc, but the doggo sealed the deal for me. Hello from NYC 🍎
I think it is totally reasonable that people are looking too far into some of her statements. By saying she screamed her lungs out but also didn't have the energy to shout when she heard rangers coming by, it's possible that what she meant by screamed her lungs out is that she had been previously screaming before the search and have lost her voice. It's also possible that her saying she had decided to come out was just another turn of phrase, like imagine there were some days where she was too weak to move but that last day she decided to get moving. You might say the reasoning she gave is strange, about starting work, but when you are desperate, energy starved, etc weird things can be sources of inspiration.
Not saying there wasn't some sort of hoax involved, but her simply being lost for that amount of time seems reasonable and her statements seem odd on the face of it but they can be rationalized without too much effort.
I most certainly WILL go watch a Missing Enigma video. Yours and that channel are probably the most thorough with your details on any given case.
Check out Zealous Beast as well as Missing Enigma. Both top-notch!
The ONLY thing Paulides emphasizes in this case is her supposed state of 'confusion' after being without food for so long, and ONLY if you continue reading on, you will find this is a 'recurring theme'. I think if any of us went without food for this long, we'd be a bit 'confused, and we wouldn't need a book to tell us this. He even ackowledges that it might have been a staged event, but doesn't add anything more to it in his coverage. Very typical of Paulides to just end his 'story' where he sees fit.
Stopped watching him a while ago. Much he does wrong.
Yea I stopped watching his vids a while ago because he ends things to make it fit his narrative. A lot of his missing people have more to them than what he covers. He’s gotta pay his bills and that’s fine but I won’t be contributing lol
Regardless of what you think about Paulides the fact is that these cases wouldn’t even be discussed if not for him. It’s impossible to cover, or even find, every detail of every case. Do you do any serious research yourself? If you do then you already know this
@@jakewinn as the extensive news coverage proves in this case, yes a lot of people would (and did) discuss the cases before he did. No one made the connection between them bc honestly there's not one if you don't have an agenda to prove. And the whole "do your research before you're allowed to criticize his" is absurd, the guy obviously only pursues the leads that proves what he wants to convey.
@@jakewinn Do you know how many times I see that? The ONLY reason you are hearing about some of these cases Paulides has labeled as '411', is for the fact that it is content that he has embellished for his grift. That's it. That's the backbone of the '411'. Do you honestly think that no one was looking into an open, and unsolved missing person case before Paulides cherry-picked it for his books?? Marten up. And yes, I do research some cases once in awhile, and I have yet to find one that doesn't have any discrepancies due to Paulides lying, omitting info, or just outright getting it wrong.
Your dog is adorable thanks for sharing him /her with us! Seems to love you❤️I can’t sit down with out my little one getting on my lap and laying down she thinks she owns me I guess she sort of does lol thx for another one you can tell you put a lot of work into these videos and your info is the usually the most accurate on the subjects you cover
His 🐕 name is Archie
Ooh, got to the end. This makes sense now lol.
I'm loving your channel. Very thorough work. I have a case from my hometown that not many people have covered. Celia May's from Willingboro NJ 1996
Best use of "now watch this drive" that ive seen in a while lol
As someone who was lost for 3 days as a toddler. The yelling thing is more accurate than you think. When you’re scared the brain tries to cope so it makes you hear the voices of your parents. At least I did and I always called back even though I wasn’t actually yelling to them
I just finnsihed rewatching his Blair witch project video and finnished a minute before the premiere started
Still crap is it? 😁
Whether day hiking or backpacking the smart move is to pack a reasonably sized fanny pack with survival essentials, a tightly rolled windbreaker and beanie AND CARRY IT EVERYWHERE.
Even the more experienced of us know that you can get turned around and lost by simply walking from your camp, out to dig a cat hole. When “everything looks the same” an environment can get disorienting. Especially during overcast or rain. Survival items should include fire making, signaling, thermoregulation, a headlamp, water tabs and a few energy bars🫶🏼
i tried watching a video debunking you guys and it was so disorienting. take that as a compliment
Who was it?
@@joshlittke9305 I'm sure the fact that he's a freemason has nothing to do with it (!)
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I would love to see that video, sounds like the guy who tried to make a takedown video on wendigoon
@@BRENDANTHERED honestly I am about as anti Freemasonry as it gets, and I definitely disagree with Aidan on the subject, but that does not at all discredit the great work he does on these videos.
@dominic64tblightning24 I agree, it doesnt discredit Aidan in and of itself. However, it is reason enough (IMO) to be skeptical of everything he says. There is good reason people don't trust the freemasons, and secret societies in general, just ask around, especially the old timers.
Been binge watching this channel again the last few days and I’m so excited to catch a brand new video. Thank you Lore Lodge!
Packing for a camping trip while watching this, hope I don't end up in a lore Lodge video
Make sure you wear white nurses shoes. They will ensure you get out safely if something does happen.😉😉
This is the most complex case of pixie led ive ever seen
This is wild
I like all the research you do. Ran into you accidentally, hooked on your channel.
I have a friend who casually told me she's gone a week without eating, as if it was as normal as taking a shower, the other week. I was flabbergasted but there really are folks out there Built Different
Three day fasting is a fairly well reported phenomenon amongst people wishing to "reset/kick-start their metabolism"
Love these Smokies videos. As someone who grew up in the foothills of the Smokies, being familiar with most of the areas and a number of the trails it makes the videos so interesting.
Copperhead bites very rarely kill. You can die, yes, absolutely. But with medical care, odds are you’ll be fine. I’d be more worried about the Eastern Diamondback and Timberback rattlesnakes. Eastern Diamondback is the most venomous reptile on the entire North American continent. Black widow spiders are actually the most venomous thing in North America.
Love how this channel has grown over the last 2-3 years it’s been great to see
Love your channel found you from the unsubscribe podcast, it was fantastic, I live in Montgomery county PA, go birds, go Phillies, your content is awesome, I love history and would love to chill one day and talk history
I got a totally legit explanation for this case.
She accidentally wandered into a portal opened by Bigfoot and was trapped in an alternate dimension. Meanwhile another portal opened with her Doppelganger crawling out. While she was trapped in an alternate dimension, her Doppelganger chose to walk out the woods, and that's who the witnesses have seen. Then later, she magically returned to our dimension because Bigfoot was bored. At the same time, her Doppelganger melted into a puddle. Then she walked out of the park and was found. DUH. 🙈
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I'd love you to consider covering the Jack Family disappearance. I've been trying for ages to work on the case, but I lack both the facilities and the time to invest into it. I'd be happy to talk through any research I've done, or just send you it, if there's an email. There's also a very good Real Horror video on it.
You just came on my feed for the first time in what seems like months.
Some folks do not change their clocks for daylight savings time, settling to be an hour off for half the year. It’s possible that’s why they were off by an hour.
Excellent, I admire the way your videos have changed.
Regarding the snakes Coloration, it's called Aposematic Coloration.
We bought a property, found out there were copperheads and now have been desperately researching anti-venom and how to get rid of snakes.
Apparently they really don’t bother people unless you step in their dens. I don’t want to take a chance though.
I think you should at least give more credence to the possibility she was in the wood the whole time. Firstly it is not only possible for someone to survive 2 weeks with only a couple hand fulls of berries to eat but is very realistic. 2weeks without food but having water is easily survivable. Not comfortable but survivable. Especially when she lost 18 pounds doing so. Her slowing metabolism and lack of food could have easily made her think she heard her father calling over the mountains and made her weakened voice less likely to be heard by people. When she said she "decided" that it was time to come out of the woods is not really that uncommon of a situation just an odd way to phrase it. A lot of people that are lost and have to rescue themselves from similar situations say they had to consciously make the decision that it was time to just get themselves out. I'm not saying that your theory is necessarily wrong but not weighing the known factual evidence as being more important than a few "witnesses" seems a huge folly especially when eye witnesses are rarely the most accurate evidence you ever come across.
Your point is valid. She also could have fasted the whole time she was 'hoaxing'. Without that one point, the 18 lb. weight loss along with she fasted for a week often, brings a whole new dimension to the mystery. I would like to know what her nurse shoes looked like after two weeks. If she spent most of that time on main roads it is possible they were pretty clean. However two weeks walking and sleeping in the woods in the rain too would have them look a lot worse for wear than highway walking and bus riding. Also the father moving to the highway where she would be coming back from her trip is highly suspect.
So happy to see you grow. I discovered your channel when you had about 30+ subs 👍🏽
Love when your dog ends up on your lap! 😊
I think you're hypothesis is exactly right. Great job
tbh we need more dog content. The dog REALLY keeps my attention
Whenever a missing persons case is receiving a lot of media exposure, the number of reports of people who may only tangentially look like the missing person can get pretty overwhelming.
I grew up on 129 my whole life, and I can promise......being lost on foot anywhere near happy valley road in the 50s or 60s was not a good place to be for a woman.
i always tend to start your videos by watching, and then i usually stay listening while i start doing something nearby. this time i happened to look up and was caught off guard by your dog on your lap and had an instant laugh. it's the little things, ha.
Crazy, I went to camp horseshoe with my boyscout troop growing up.
Wonderfully described, and analysed.
I think you're 100% correct with your theory.
just bought a füm because i literally just talked with my mom about how i want to try one of these alternatives to quit and you immediately started talking about one, so im taking that as a sign 😂
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That Copperhead mimicry isn't uncommon, actually...
...there's a snake called a Gopher Snake, pattern looks almost EXACTLY like a Diamond-Back Rattlesnake but it isn't venomous/has no fangs & doesn't have a rattle.
It DOES, however, coil up JUST like one & hides its tail in dry grass/leaves, etc, then shakes it back&forth to simulate a Rattler's rattle (while doing said coil pose). Rattler's are members of the Viper family, they have an infrared-like gland by their olfactories (why they're such good night-hunters, but can also identify other Vipers this way)...point being the Gopher Snake would be unable to observe this behaviour in order to adapt it without being busted & eaten.
They're simply just designed that way. It's FASCINATING, actually~
I was listening to this almost as a podcast while driving past US-129, Alcoa Highway, in Knoxville, Tennessee. It’s almost surreal to hear so much about my hometown. Also almost no one I’ve met says “Four One One” always “Four Eleven” I get the coincidence though.
Nice an ad break! I definitely wasn't a few minutes behind...
The friend saying how she knows the girl more than anyone else reminds me of something my mom would do. If someone accused a friend or family member of running away or faking being lost, my mom would be all "I KNOW THEM BETTER THAN ANYONE THEY WOULD NEVER DO THAT THEY WOULD TELL ME THEY'RE OKAY." Meanwhile my brother ran away from home when he was a teen and definitely did not tell her where he was or if he was okay.
Gotta change the batteries in that Mother's Intuition once in a while I guess. 🙂🙂