Remove your personal information from the web at JoinDeleteMe.com/LORELODGE and use code LORELODGE for 20% off DeleteMe international Plans: international.joindeleteme.com Also, we’ve been made aware of an interview with Michael Reel from 2022. We’ll be taking a look at it and updating in a future video.
I was born in 73 so just 2 years before Michael. Everyone I knew would describe anything anyone was drinking as Bud for beer and Jack for liquor. It does not mean he identified labels just that it was beer and liquor.
His parents were using d(r)-ugs, and he got into their stash--took something that made him confused and want to walk around for hours, and the parents didn't want to get in trouble.
Yeah I'm going to tell you that hypothermia does not give you hallucinations like that. It gives you feeling hallucinations like you feel like someone's watching you or you feel hot or you feel vibration. Does it make you see things.
One of my relatives fell on the basement stairs and was unable to get up. It was after everyone in the family tried to call them(including myself) and after a full day of them not answering the phone, another relative went physically there to check on them. They were still alive but severely injured, and went into the hospital. When I asked if they were cold and/or scared for the whole time laying in the basement, they said no, the entire time they thought they were napping in their easy chair and the phone kept ringing and no matter how hard they tried they couldn't reach the phone (this was back in the house phone days). Said they were comfy and listening to the radio and napping. In a comfy chair. While they were laying on a cold cement floor with broken limbs and all. So the mind can "comfort" us with what we think of as "hallucinations" during life threatening moments. This boy may have been very frightened, hungry, dehydrated and cold. His mind sent him elsewhere to cope. JMO.
That makes sense, the ONE thing that sticks out to me a lot ( and i don't believe at all in anything paranormal ) is his hair being almost perfect. I am curious how that happened.
Haven't watched the whole video yet but there's a thing called "third party syndrome" or something like that where people in life threatening scenarios can actually see, hear, and/or feel another person with them telling them what they need to do or encouraging them to keep going. They think it might be hallucinations of one's subconscious trying to save them. I don't know if perhaps he mentioned it in the video. That's why I said I haven't watched it all yet.
As a former 8-year old, I could totally see myself thinking both "I'm lost and need help" and "my parents will be extremely upset because I got lost" and therefore do nothing to improve my situation. Him finally stepping up could just be him in some sort of delirium, making the paranoia worse and the boy just wanted to go home and would say literally anything to provide answers and fill the silence, regardless of his statement's veracity.
My grandfather once told me that he was helping to look for a fella who had gone lost in the woods for several days. There were a few of them standing on a road regrouping when the missing guy walked out of the woods, walked right across the paved road they were standing on, and went back into the woods on the other side, right in front of them. My grandfather said he was in a trance-like state and had no idea what he was doing. I wish he were still alive so I could ask him more about it.
@@Andrea-mg9pyDelirium (whether substance-induced or not) is an interesting hypothesis, but I wouldn't go to magic mushrooms (psilocybe) that wouldn't put one in that state. Psychoactive amanitas (A. muscaria, A. pantherina etc.), on the other hand, might.
Extreme Long distance swimmers talk about how your body goes into a trance and your mind is what is keeping you going when EVERYTHING is screaming that you should stop. But you can’t. So to escape your physical pain, you enter a type of trance where the only thing your brain processes is MOVE.
When his mother said "we've been searching", and he responded with "I don't care", it made me think he probably ran away from the campsite because he was upset about something. It could explain the contradictions in the family's stories, and maybe their publicity shyness afterwards, if they weren't honest about how he got lost the first time they were asked.
He probably got a whooping and ran off mad or maybe told to get a good switch and decided not to go back for that whooping. There was one time I didn't return from getting a switch (I decided to spend the day in a treehouse) but I learned not to do that again.
my thought on the kid saying the guy was drinking "Bourbon" is that that's a word he associated with all liquor of that color. If his parents ever "went to the store for bourbon" it would be in his lexicon, and that's the kind of way kids think often. The idea that there are different brown liquors might have been beyond him.
Yeah. Kids do that. Shoot even grown ups who don't know guns call every pistol a glock. People call all tissues kleenex a lot, it's a common thing but especially for a kid.
That's what I thought too. It's like how every soda is "a coke" to some people. Every beer is budweiser and everything alcoholic but not beer is bourbon. Seems pretty simple. More simple than the rest of it..
Hey, fellas. Father of 5 here. Regarding the whole how long have you been in the woods thing and the boy said 30 minuets bit around the 38:15 point; he probably meant literally in those woods specifically at that time. As in, he was in a field a half hour prior and just recently walked into that part of the forest. Keep in mind a childs definition of a field, so *literally any* brief clearing is a field to a little boy that age. 8 year olds, in my experience, take all questions at face value and have no such understanding of implied context even if they've been missing for a week.
Ugh, I raised 3 Boys. They were very different. One was really articulate, one was vague, the other, he could really tell you a long story! I remember most of my childhood and started reading words when I was 3. I was a curious child and did not scare easily. I certainly knew time. My Mom would tell us when to be home when I was 5. I would come home when I was told to. Geeze I can't believe she let my Sisters and I ride our tricycles to the School that was 1/2 mile away when I was 4 years old?!?
@@Prof.Tarfeatherapperently you got brainDamage along the way since you clearly have forgotten children in western nations dont start school until age 6 and preschool, a relatively new institution hadnt become a thing until my generation (gen Y) however even then it would be starting school at 5. Now even if you miss remember and it was at age 5 and also you were one of the very few who attended ppl preschool back then, i can assure you that no school in the west will accept lone attendance by a child under 8. A legal guardian or a provider with a pre approved, signed and filed pass must be there to transfer stewartship of the adolescent. Its purley a legal thing, the kid could get injured and then the courts wouldhave to determine when the schools responsibility started and ended and the parents began. Nowadays its about abduction because diverse-Nations-have high crime, low trust, and rampant child-safety issues however every single ethnohomogenous-nation like japan or finland have such low-crime that all kids, at least in japan walk to school starting at age 6iirc. This is only possible when your nation is an extention of your family and you can see groups of 5-10 6 year olds all in the same outfit boarding the subways together in the morning (Going on a tangent here: as a westerner its truly a culture shock to see such a high trust society. However everyone looks out for the little ones and makes room for them because they are all part of the same outer family. its so frustrating to see people not understanding this and not understanding that society its self can only be exploited if it is fragmented into separate cultural groups. To conqure you must divide. The number one weakness any opponent can have is division. Divided they fall but united they stand. DiversityIsYourWeakness! When corpos say its "our strength!" They arnt lying, its their strength but its not ours! Every single stat that exist proves this) Ok sorry about that rant, anyways i think your missremembering my guy
Missing children who are located alive have frequently described missing time and engaging with creatures, or being in places that aren't familiar to locals.
could've even been a moonshiner, explaining the apperent alcoholism and the not just calling the cops-ism, and maybe even said "Just call me grandpa" or something to that effect, not wanting his name out there.
I was thinking that too, come across plenty of old men in the hallers that you either called Sir or Gramps/Pappy. Seen some pretty neat buildings, most are dug into the ground (warmer in the winter and harder for feds to find) also seen a whole ass boat in the middle of the woods with a wino living in it year round.
@LKMNOP Nah, it's not. I've lived down south on the TN/MS line (about 4 hours further south than Elizabethtown) my entire life - 36 years, my husband 38 years, my mother 68 years, dad for 69 years, and none of us ever met an old man one time that had us calling him grandpa that wasn't our actual grandpa. We didn't call any old women grandma either. The tradition for addressing an elder down south is to call them Mr or Ms (first name). Across the board, that is what we've all called elders we weren't related to. If an old man asked my kids to call him grandpa, I'd be seriously disturbed, and they would not be calling him anything because they would not be allowed to speak to him. Lol that's a weird dude. Don't talk to him. Down south, we respect our elders, and your actual grandpa/grandma only gets the respect of being called that name as the monarch of the family. Calling some other man or woman that is like calling them the king or queen when they are not actually the king or queen. Not a random man you met in the woods once or any amount of times. But I do like the theory he was a moonshiner and that was just his alias that day. Lol because moonshiners were a dime a dozen when mom was living in Cookeville and dad living in Lexington, TN on the TN River. He said there was a body in the river every other day due to moonshiner disagreements. He even happened upon a still in the deep woods one time with 2 men running it (fishing the dead bugs out of it) when he was a kid. He said they saw him, but he didn't say anything to them. He just turned around and walked quietly back the way he came. They did not pursue or say anything to him either. It was def someone who didn't want the kid to know his real name.
Can you help with a murder?... My ex was found killed out of state on the side of I-95 (single gunshot wound to the head), and the cops and/or media suggested she was a drug-addicted hooker (she wasn't), so no real investigation was done. They basically said "no evidence, no reason to investigate." The lawyer is saying she was 'likely' a victim of a serial killer who has since been caught, but there was no reason to question him about her, as he has since been convicted of a few other murders. Jurisdictional issues between town, county, & state PDs have left me with nothing but one insulting article. Is there like a FOIA-type deal I can do for local law enforcement? Since we weren't married (and her mother didn't like me), I have no closure & I'm kinda left feeling impotent since 2008. Her name was Missy, and she seems forgotten & me dismissed. I liked her so much.
Ooh, do you have this information somewhere? Is there a FB page? Kinda curious because there are some other TH-camrs that would do it. Lore lodge is more about missing people..
Bourbon ONLY is made in KY. They even have it Trademarked and copyrighted to the state of KY. and in KY, all other brown liquors are called whiskey or sour mash.
My man leaning into the fae lore. I was halfway through a comment when he hit on it. There's a lot in this story in common with oldschool fairy abduction stories. Often the fae realm is described as having time that moves differently, featuring lavish feasts, visitation with the dead, and has a deep natural connection. There's also a trickster aspect; a disembodied voice yelling to family members with witnesses hearing slightly different phrases fits the archetype perfectly, as does the fact that only something sweet was taken when food was left. Honestly, this case fits far better than most contemporary examples people usually cite for fairy shenanigans. In the folklore of the Naxi people, in the Himilayas, Rhododendrons are supposed to guard the world of the dead, so, y'know, we got that going for us, too.
@@mecahhannahif you haven’t read it already, I highly recommend the novel Emily Wilde’s Encyclopedia of Faeries by heather fawlett. It goes through fae stories from all over the world and has an incredible overarching story about a researcher creating the first faerie encyclopedia. It’s my absolute favorite fae related book
It's such a tiny aspect for me, but it's kind of wild that he held onto the pot the entire time. He didn't drop it anywhere or forget it at any point or leave it at a safe sleeping area he made for himself he may have been returning to. No, he thought it important to carry this pot with him at all times while he wandered the forest, for days and days.
@DaddiDrako I was thinking more that it would be useful for him to drink water out of and store food in but at 8 I'm not sure how aware he would be and if he would consider transport of sustenance or weapons in potential attacks.
I just saw Micheal Reel’s interview from not long ago. His explanation of sleeping during the day and walking at night to stay warm might explain his erratic mobility
hats off and a massive Thank You to the audio mixer who understands the intro music doesn't need to be three times as load as the rest of the audio. sounds simple but TH-cam if filled with the unaware. your levels are perfect if ya ask me. ✌😎👍
Love to the motherland! 💚🤍🧡 I found a great old book by a folklore historian about Gaelic myths and historical cases of missing people. I had it well before ever learning of missing 411 but a few of the cases mirrored the cases she found in Irish history. Some of them were practically verbatim but from another country a hundred years ago. Some of the missing people were described as being found but resembling a shell of a person, like their death wasn't natural or the body they found wasn't the actual person. It reminded me of the descriptions Paulides found and how people are found to have just sorta dropped dead for no definitive reason. Like their life force was simply removed. Every ounce of Irish blood coursing through my veins tells me there is some truth to the folklore. The Vanishing People (Fairy Lore and legends) by Katherine Briggs
Yo I would love that too!! My grandparents never talked about their myths often but I’m glad you’re learning from us!! There’s a lot of mixing here, and knowing how my grandparents on both sides were, there is very likely some Irish myth/folklore mixed in the Appalachians! Though a lot of it is German and Native though LOL
Thanks for mentioning that about step-relatives. There’s a big misconception in media (like the “evil step-mother” trope) that step-relatives are always conniving, evil people, but I’ve lived next door to my grandmother and step-grandfather on my dad’s side all of my life and he’s one of the sweetest souls I know. Honestly it feels wrong called him my step-grandpa, he’s always been my Pappaw, just like my blood grandfather on my mom’s side. One thing’s for sure, he’s much more family to me than my actual grandfather on my dad’s side
Unripe mulberries can cause hallucinations. North Carolina is in the range of the Red Mulberry tree. Mulberries ripen between June and August, meaning that when Michael was out there, he would have likely come across both ripe and unripe Mulberries.
@bunnyluver2176 you might not have eaten enough, or maybe the kid got some extra sap. The side effects are upset stomach and hallucinations. Might also take effect more easily if it's the only thing you've eaten for a few days
I’ve also read that bees that make honey from rhododendrons make something called mad honey. If he smelled the flowers and thought they might have been edible, he could have had some and hallucinated some of his experiences
In adult interviews, Michael says 90% of this never happened. His story has been told and retold and blown out of proportion. His disappearance was also big news at the time. Lots of people showed up to help, and people like to tell stories.
The fact that the kid said he was gone for 30 minutes is that back then most tv shows were only 39 minutes. And I based my life around tv shows. And if I was asked back then how long I did something I would have just said 30 minutes no matter how long it really was. I had no concept of time. And I think most kids back then didn’t either.
@@rumpeltyltskyn yeah he was lost multiple days, at that point he would've noticed that it was more than a couple minutes. I mean, I lost track of time before, but at some point you get hungry, tired, or have to use the bathroom and that brings you back on track.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Yeah I think at 8 you have the capacity to differentiate between “30 minutes” and “a week”. Like I’d TOTALLY get if it were a few hours. Even none night, or if he seemed super traumatized. But in this case it doesn’t really line up. I personally believe his grandfather was involved myself. But it’s just a hunch as there really isn’t any good evidence.
unless he was stuck, and what came back wasn't him (I do not actually believe this but like if we're approaching this as a Fae thing it would make sense)
@@Willothemask Most of the ones I'm familiar with the fairies offer you food because (Like Hades) they want you to eat and stay forever. Even if it's offered, don't eat the fairy food.
Speaking of supernatural explanations, you might look into Cherokee legends of the Nunnehi, which match very closely to Gaelic legends of the Sidhe. They often would take lost hunters, travelers, and children into their underground houses to care for them, as in the story of Yahula. The Cherokee also speak of the Yunwi Tsunsdi,or "Little People", which match more closely with the various fairies, etc of Celtic lore. Of note is the fact that the Cherokee lived in the Southern Appalachian region prior to the Cherokee Removal of 1838. If real, Nunnehi might explain many of the more paranormal aspects of Missing 411 stories. Beings able to influence our perceptions could also explain lost time, cryptid sightings, and many other paranormal phenomena. I consider the concept an interesting thought experiment.
I learned about the Nunnehi and Yunwi Tsundi just recently, in a video on here. The same phenomenon in different languages? There's quite a few analogues in different folklores around the world. Not exactly the same, but enough in common that they could be referencing the same type of thing. I agree that "Fae" could explain a lot of strangeness.
As a Scotch-Irish that has had family living in Appalachia and mid Georgia since before the Revolution, this is the stuff we don't mention out loud. If you heard something in the woods that sounded off; no, you didn't.
I live in the town of roan mtn .i was 10 in 1983 and searched for micheal with my grandfather.local people were happy he was found but pissed at the family .the whole situation did not make sense.
I'm disappointed that they missed that he was interviewed a year ago and answered a lot of these questions. That seems like a crucial point of evidence. Much of this has been explained already, by him. Lore Lodge should see if he'll agree to be interviewed. It would make for a good podcast episode.
@@littlemoondarling th-cam.com/video/HoCE_Oo1nrE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IEQ514efNRm8WPmp This is the interview I found when I searched for it on TH-cam. It's from a smaller channel, so it's a little rough.
It feels hard to believe that the family wasn’t involved, but as you said, a reason why is difficult to find. I wonder if maybe he got snatched by a kind but demented elderly man who thought he was his grandson, didn’t know there was a child missing, and just hung out with him until the boy wandered off back home.
Alright this may be a long shot but hear me out: consuming any part of rhododendron will make the person sick so you’re unlikely to eat much of it, but something that happens is called Mad Honey where someone eats the honey that bees made with nectar from the rhododendron flower. Consuming this honey is known to cause hallucinations, and people in Nepal and other places regularly eat the honey for the “religious experience.” I wonder if he came across this Mad Honey, or if he was so hungry he ate some of the rhododendron pods, and it caused the hallucinations. As I said before, the average adult who eats parts of the plant doesn’t usually eat enough to have neurological symptoms but he was a small skinny 8 year old, so maybe what he ate was enough? Just a thought 💭
Hi can you guys please have a look at the two following cases. The Tromp family - A family of five disappeared on a tech-free road-trip only to turn up one by one after a week-long odyssey of more than 995 miles, which ended with a police investigation and two of them in psychiatric care. The Bizarre case of Noah Presgrove!!!
He mentioned staying with his grandfather in a white house eating eggs and biscuits…but earlier you said his grandfathers had both passed away, but that he had a step-grandfather. Did anyone ever ask him which grandfather he meant?
I do wonder if it was some other old man who asked to be called grandpa, makes sense to me. Why would the step grandfather just not report finding him then and you think it would get out eventually if that was the case at least to the parents
@@victory8928Honestly, that was kinda my thinking. If the kid's never met his biological grandfathers, that opens up the possiblity that the old man could literally be anyone, and just told the kid to call him Grandpa, which the kid took at face value.
@izzisart to be fair my parents told me to go sit by my cousins who were visiting as we watched a local car race. I didn't recognize my cousins bc we only saw them once a year. So, afraid of asking for clarification and admitting I didn't know where they sat or what they looked like, I picked a random adult and sat beside him for the rest of the races much to my father's horror 😅 So I 100% believe a child of the same age would take anyone saying "Oh call me grandpa" and just run with it lol
I've eaten a handful and nothing happened but on that same day from the same push, my friend ate just a few like 7 berries or less and was so sick he had to go to the hospital. When we got there we showed the hospital the berries we ate and we told the nurses and doctors how many my friend ate and they said he should be fine, he's going to feel like shut for a while but he will recover. I can't remember the type of meds they gave him but in the end he was fine. But when I told the doctors I also ate some and they asked me how much I told them a huge handful they literally thought I was lying. Even when my friend backed me up they thought we were lying. And they told me me if I did eat the amount I said that I would die. Idk if they I didn't know what they were talking about or if they were just trying to scare me but in the end literally nothing happened to me at all however they did make me sit in the same room with my friend to see if I started having any symptoms or anything but I literally had nothing happened to me. However I don't know I've been pretty fortunate when it comes to getting sick or contracting rashes or I have a pretty good tolerance to poisons for example I literally cannot get poison oak poison ivy or poison sumac I've been bitten by a black widow spider and nothing ever happened to me I've only been sick three times in my life and that was before I was 5 years old since I've been over the age of five which I am 37 years old now I have never once been sick not even the common cold even when everybody in my house had chickenpox I never caught that when everybody in my house had covid I never got that. So I'm just going to say that I am extremely lucky however my brother also cannot get poison oak poison ivy or poison sumac but he has been sick a lot and in his life he's also had the chickenpox he also had covid. However according to the doctors that my mom had talked to when I was 15 years old we were there just for a checkup and we asked the doctor why I wasn't able to get poison ivy and poison sumac or poison oak and he said that it's not as uncommon as you think. Backand the day or should I say my generation and older one out of every 10,000 people approximately are immune to those kinds of plant poisons however in today's society and the younger generations with all the steroids and antibiotics that everybody gets and how clean everybody always is they have to have their house sterilized at all times they have to wash their hands every single time before they eat and all that kind of crap now the chances of somebody not being able to get poison oak poison sumac or poison ivy is more like one out of every 100,000-150,000 people. That's why I always tell everybody if you don't want your kid to get sick expose them to germs at a very young age which is exactly what my mom did that's not to say we lived in a dirty house cuz it's quite the opposite we lived in immaculately clean house however my mom was not one to tell me to wash my hands every single time before I ate or if I drop something on the floor in our kitchen my mom wouldn't b**** if I picked it up and ate it, things like that. I don't know and I'm sorry for rambling on I justsaw the story about the berries was interesting and funny that you brought them up because to this day I still don't have an explanation on why I ate so many and my friend ate just a couple and was so violently sick that we both thought he was going to die now keep in mind we were young teenagers at the time so we didn't know what really was going to happen😂😂
@@elitehacker1416 I second this. I was pretty normal in regards to getting sick up until Covid when, like everybody else i was washing and sanitizing my hands at every turn. I eventually got it, lasted 4 days or so, just had some sniffles and lost taste for like two days, about a week after it tho i got the most violent, long lasting common god damn cold i've ever had. Shit lasted for months i swear, three months in fact. After it ended i swore off hand sanitizer and needless washing despite covid sill being around a good year and a half after it and lo and behold i've not been sick once since.
@@elitehacker1416holy shit you typed a book. Did you just get on ADHD meds? I used to do that type of shit when I didn’t have a tolerance to my Ritalin lol.
@elitehacker1416 I actually enjoyed reading what you wrote. I don't think poison ivy/oak/sumac immunity is that rare nowadays though. I know 3 people all in their 20s who are immune to poison ivy so I think it's a bit more common than 1 in 100,000,000.
@@isqueakifyousqueeze2601its mostly genetic. Idk why that person thinks "washing your hands" is a problem that needs to be solved in modern society rather than like, the single largest impact on improved health outcomes and life expectancy humans have had in recorded history.
For the cases where the mundane fails to feel satisfactory, I find the Fae (and similar entities in other cultures) to be my preferred solution. Especially when you have notable time loss. What I really appreciate about your work, though, is that you don't jump to that immediately and I wanted to make sure you know that because the work you do demystifying this stories that are practically their own fairy tales at this point is essential to being able to isolate those cases that do stand out from the rest.
I do agree but it also depends on context. Said ‘fae’ could have just been a kind old man who took the boy in for a bit but either didn’t know he was missing/ there was a missing child or didn’t want to get involved with authorities for whatever reason. I say kind cause lets be honest an unkind elderly man wouldn’t have let him get away nor would the boy not comment on that in some way that he can best describe
A quick google search will take you right to an interview in November of 2022 between Eric Strauss and Michael Reel. Michael explains most of the lore - the drunk, the cabin, the breakfast his step grandfather made (before he got lost), the “clean” hair…. I did not hear (the interview cut in and out at times) precisely how and why he got lost in the first place. Still, googling his name took me straight to the interview with Michael Reel.
@@TheLoreLodgethere is always the next video you can put an update in👍 Considering the amount of work you do in a week missing a piece of information is forgiven.
The world of academic research is rapidly changing. Tbh, I wouldn't have thought to search YT for primary source material. But indeed interviews are primary sources and not all interviews are transcribed. I'm certain this will be a less on learned and in the future Aiden will expand the scope of his research to include alternate sources. Meanwhile, maybe he'll post a link to the November 2022 interview via a pinned comment and send his loyal viewers to that channel watch the interview once they are done here. The Aidens have integrity. I dont think they'll just dismiss the oversight. I could very much see them doing something to bring this supplemental evidence to light now while the views are high rather than just mentioning in an update at some future point in time.
@@TheLoreLodgeIn the interview, Mr. Reel expresses how traumatic the event was for him and how he wishes for the truth to be shared and not whatever the articles have embellished. The man still suffers awful nightmares of being lost in the woods and it’s been over 40 years. The least that can be done is have some respect and care for his experience.
Ok. I just watched the interview Michael Real gave in 2022 and he explains everything. He said yes he found an abandoned cabin. No there was no food in it. Yes he had breakfast with his step grandfather but that was BEFORE he went missing not during. Yes there was a drunk man but he was a searcher volunteer and he didn’t see him while he was lost, it was his mother who saw the drunk man and it’s really nothing supernatural or Bigfoot or anything strange. He simply got lost
That’s what I figured, and I feel like that falls pretty in line with what I ended up saying was most likely. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough that I was just entertaining other ideas for fun? Only thing I still would find odd is how he got from one place to another.
I almost hope it WAS the fae, because otherwise this is giving some serious Balloon Boy vibes, particularly with the ever-changing story from the family about when/how he first went missing.
Yeah. People viewing step relatives as suspicious in these cases makes me sad given my stepdad and stepbrother are some of the coolest people I’ve ever met.
I have no idea how I didn't discover this channel until like 2 weeks ago, I'm a true crime junkie so this stuff is right up my alley. And frankly the deep dives you guys do are unparalleled, plus you're super consistent with a video per week? Excuse me while I do tricks on it lmaooo
You didn't discover this channel. There were already 557K subscribers. What, they don't count? You're going to claim to be the one who discovered it as though those 557K people don't matter? Who do you think you are, Columbus, saying "yeah, there are hundreds of nations on this land with millions of people, but I want the glory so I'll say I'M the one who discovered it!" You can't discover a place when people were already there.
When you shared the part of the story where the boy indicated he was with his grandfather watching TV, eating eggs biscuits. IMO, I interpreted your explanation as if the boy was hallucinating or confused. in my mind, I think he may have just been imagining a different reality. You do not need to be hallucinating or on drugs to consciously change the reality we find ourselves in and make it a different one that is easier to accept. As an example, one very cold winter day I was waiting for my ride and I was cold and miserable. The longer I stood waiting the more miserable I became. I closed my eyes and imagined myself in front of an air-conditioner. The cold winter breeze hitting my face, I imagined was the cold air from the AC blowing on me. For me, it was easier to believe I was indoors in front of a cold air conditioner than outside in the winter weather being miserable. The point here, is the boy may have done something similar to help him and make it easier on himself. This of course is just my opinion and is only a possibility I'm throwing out there instead of the hallucinating theory.
It's disassociation. When faced with severe trauma the mind splits off, goes somewhere else, like your happy place. Sometimes we do this on purpose, sometimes not. It's a self defense mechanism.
@@skippersnacksThat’s not how dissociation works or what it is, at all. Imagining things and zoning out ≠ dissociation. Going to your “happy place” is just daydreaming. Dissociation does not cause you to see things that aren’t there. It’s more of a splitting of self where you and your surroundings feel unreal. Dissociation would account for time loss, loss of direction, and confusion, but it doesn’t account for believing you’re somewhere else entirely. Edit: I realize this sounds slightly combative, and that’s not my intention. Just trying to make sense of the story. I think dissociation could be an element at play, especially given how he seems to have processed time with earlier examples from the story, and maybe it explains why he couldn’t give a straight story and remember his path, but I don’t think that explains this. I think OP has it right. If it wasn’t a hallucination, I think it makes sense for him to have come up with a story to make himself feel better, or just straight up lied. (No judgement, kids do that, especially under stress)
@@reeegg9218 You just described a new phenomenon, which is delirium, and is a very severe medical condition. Some symptoms of delirium include confusion, disorganized thinking, memory and concentration problems, and hallucinations and delusions. Symptoms of dissociation include a sense of separation from yourself and your emotions, a blurred sense of identity, and thinking that the people and things around you are distorted and unreal. The symptoms of delirium are very similar to and often compared to dementia. There are many causes of delirium and dissociation, both of which could have occurred because of his situation, however they are not the same thing, nor are they very similar. (Edit for spelling mistake.) But regardless of this, there’s an interview with the man that went missing. He said none of this ever happened and that his words were misconstrued. He never imaged his grandfather making him eggs and biscuits, that came from the fact that his grandfather made eggs and biscuits BEFORE they went camping, and that he stayed in an abandoned cabin a few days before being found. This comes from an interview with him on TH-cam. There seemed to have been a lot of reporting errors in this case, and this is an example of that. He never said anything about his grandfather cooking him food in a cabin. His words were recorded improperly.
Celtic Mommy Goddess and the Wailing Fairies of death is title that is metal as all get out. The immortal salmon deserves a revisit and new video now that you have more followers. That is by far my favorite part of Irish folklore.
My dad was in the 82nd Airborne, stationed at Fort Bragg, from 1975-1984. Unfortunately he passed in 2021, so I can't talk to him about it. But the request you made in your video made me think about him, which is nice...
He is just a couple years older than my son. I figure unless he died young he would still be alive. I wonder what his story is now after years of thought. Be interesting to hear.
I watched it because of this comment. It answered a lot. It sounds like a lot of things just got warped in the retelling. It didn't cover everything, though. They should see if he'll appear on their podcast and answer questions.
When it comes to the military helping they make a announcement on base saying that there is someone missing and if anyone wants to volunteer to help search to sign up
I honesty don't find it hard to believe that the cops could missed the kid being on a 2x2m radius after allegedly searching the area multiple times. Here in Argentina there was a family that went missing for months, so much speculation and bad press, and turns out they just crashed their car and they were right on the side of a road that was "allegedly" searched mutiple times. Its an universal experience for law enforcement to have search parties being badly organized and then trying to save face afterwards. At least this kid didn't die.
By the sounds of it, he didn't really want to be found either. In terrain like that it can be very hard to find someone, let alone if they don't want to be found
Sometimes terrain makes it extremely easy to be invisible to searchers. When was about 8, my family and I were walking in the forest near our house. I slipped into a drainage ditch and if my mother hadn't actually seen me go, they would have had no idea what happened to me. They had to part the ferns to see me sitting comfortably on a thick layer of pine needles looking surprised but completely unhurt. The ditch was about six feet (2 metres) deep so I wouldn't have been able to climb out without help
There seems to be an occam's razor explanation. His dad picked him up. His mom was an alcoholic and had no idea what happened hence constantly changing the story. Might have even reported him missing because she forgot his dad picked him up. His dad was his ride to the top of the mountain since he was there. Then they set up him being "rescued". All a misunderstanding brought on by an alcoholic mother.
My father was in the 82nd airborne for well over 20 years at bragg, just a little after this if you want, I can definitely give you some of his insight but this was 90-2010s
I'm pretty sure Aiden is correct that people didn't dig any further on the inconsistencies because the kid was found alive and well. I'm glad it turned out that way too. That was a strange one but at least it had a happy ending.
So aside from it obviously being Bigfoot, has anyone asked the kid now that he’s grown? Secondly, Ockham’s razor: it was either step grandpa or “hi kid, I’m your grandpa” doing things I’d prefer not to think about Lastly, Aidan, you were so close! You almost made it an entire video without mentioning Paulides 😂 good effort
He has been in many many interviews. The guy on this channel says he's spent days trying to figure out the mystery. Bull puck! It took me less than 30 seconds to find a whole list of interviews with Michael Reel. I had put a link here but removed it because I don't know if I can put links here. Just do a search and you'll find them easily.
Kids will block out trauma and then make up a story (subconsciously) about what happened instead. Hell adults do this also. But kids have much more vivid imaginations. He was cold, hungry, he almost died so it makes sense that in his head he replaced it with being with family, having fun and being fed. I'm not sure why Aiden is having such a hard time with this? And maybe he just knew that dark colored liquor was Bourbon, and just called all dark colored liquor Bourbon. I knew a kid who did that but called it all whiskey.
"When bees feed on nectar from rhododendron flowers, the resulting honey can pack a hallucinogenic punch. It's called mad honey, and it has a slightly bitter taste and a reddish color." Not sure how likely it is that this kid found some mad honey in that rhododendron garden, but hey.....
Knew a guy who made shine with it. Called it "Sight Seein' Shine." Bat poo crazy. At least a dozen things in the mountains that are hallucinogenic if you don't know better. Even more if you do.
I feel like him calling up to his mom or the cabin in the woods could've just been him dreaming. It can be difficult as an adult before you think about it to tell the difference between dreams and reality, and I don't know why the official narrative puts so much stock in hypothermia when children make stuff up all the time
@@lolk4530was often used in the middle ages and thereabouts to explain the behaviour of kids who were autistic or neurodivergent, the "odd" or unsettling actions of the kid were put down to the child being replaced by a changeling, it's pretty interesting but very sad to look into
My mom would use it as a weapon against me in a way. She’d tenderly say “Sometimes I just think you are so odd you can’t possibly be my child- It must be that you are a changeling! Left here by one fairy or maybe gypsies who didn’t wanna raise you traveling. Maybe someday they’ll take you back and return my real girl!” I do want to say she didn’t mean this as derogatory to Roma peoples because she thought they were great but terms of the times in 1960’s) She also over told me the story of the ugly duckling and made it clear I was not attractive so I would have to work harder on being pleasant and especially lady-like. She always said these just to me- not in front of anyone else! But I also was capable of rejecting some bs and I did! I refused to be “lady-like” and all simpering as she wanted. I played my tomboy games outdoors as tough and rough as I could! haha. She trained me to hate my face and body mainly because she hated hers. I didn’t put that garbage on my kid at all! Stop the generational trauma!
Thank you for what you said about stepparents. I've been a stepmom since my stepdaughter was 2. She's now 14. I love her just as much as I love my bio daughter. I also love my 2 adopted sons just as much as I love my bio daughter. Even when we were fostering them, I loved them just as much.
as other ppl have commented, michael may have just used "bourbon" for any brown, alcoholic liquid, but also is it possible the "answers" he gave were out of multiple choices that the interviewer offered? it's definitely happened before that a child was offered different descriptors and whatever they chose ended up being reported by media as if it were the child's own unprompted words.
Aiden(s) you gotta do the BOYS ON THE TRAIN TRACKS I’ll keep saying it on every vid til you see my comment someday. Love your content, I look forward to every Friday. Been watching since you were a small channel.
If he ate crab apples which are distinctly not good for you, unless they're something else in the states, he could have been massively dehydrated at that point from throwing up.
He had a stomach ache but that was it. Crab apples here aren’t tasty and they don’t make you feel good but they won’t necessarily make you throw up. Some people use them in cooking.
Ahhh okay, I'm guessing that it's the same name for a similar looking fruit we have in the UK. Either that or my parents massively overblew how much they'd mess you up 😅
I used to pick and eat crab apples very occasionally in SW Canada when I was a kid. They are _sour as hell_ and most people would likely spit them right out, or certainly wouldn't feel good after eating one. I was a little more accustomed to eating sour apples so I could usually manage them, but didn't make a habit of it since it's just not worth it unless you're starving. There is a fruit that looks very much like the crab apple which is wildly poisonous though, but if he ate those, he wouldn't have gotten off that mountain alive.
Maybe his getting colder as they moved down the mountain was because he was walking with them until he couldn't and had to be carried. I mean, maybe he just felt colder because we was weak and hadn't eaten, and was light-headed. Feeling cold can be a thing you feel just before you pass out.
Very strange case. The only thing that sounds remotely possible to me is he was kidnapped, and was trying to cope with it. That would explain his 'confusion' and 'hallucinations'. May explain him not going to people, but still calling out. Like maybe he yelled out to his dad and the kidnapper made him stop But that doesn't explain everything
I've been enjoying the hell out of these videos, you all manage to make these already fascinating cases more enjoyable than most peopke, and the amount of research ya'll do is something i'm greatdul for when covering topics like these. And for the record ya'll mythology and history videos are great, ya'll should make them more🖤🔥🔥
While dealing with the pain of my chronic illness my brain often places me in places I later know I couldn’t have been. It wouldn’t be surprised if his mind did similar while suffering the cold and dark, the mind is scary powerful
While I don't put much faith in it, the mythology lessons are actually a major reason I follow your channel. Honestly, my favorites are some of your lore/cryptid deep dives.
Some things to consider: 1) kids make up stories and memories can be influenced (by others and by their own mind), 2) journalists make stuff up as well, 3) eye-witness reporting is always dubious. It seems to me that the kid ran away and hid from people until he wanted to be found for whatever reasons. I once ran away from home for a few days and stayed in the woods nearby during the day and slept in a dog house and an unlocked car at night -- I ate whatever nature had to offer and drank from the creek. I didn't want to get into too much trouble so I came up with different stories. And as an 70s kid, I had a comb in my pocket and a good knife (I was 9) and I knew how to survive by myself. The worst thing in the nearby woods would be coyotes.
"Not if they had a good home life" sent me into a laughing fit that made my husband give me a Spock eyebrow. You Sir are amazing and I love all your videos! Keep on keeping on and by God keep being amazing 😂
It reminds me of the story about the kid who was lost and came back to tell the story about having been with his “other grandma” the “robot grandma”. The woods can do crazy things to us. I have a theory that they can release pollens from the trees and other plants that are intoxicating. It would cause mammals to walk in circles hallucinating, just enough to die from dehydration or starvation. It would be an easy adaptation after all this time, allowing trees and plants to feed themselves in hardships.
There's also the little girl who saw, talked to, and said she was helped by another little girl who had the same name as a girl who had vanished years before.
I literally live 15 minutes away from roan mountain state park (I live on roan mountain!), my father in law works with the owls up in the park and I literally spend every weekend that’s warm up in cates hole in the river with my husband! I will say yes going there some days you feel like you’re being watched and not by anyone that wants you to see them. It’s not a bad feeling of being watched more like you’re being checked up on in case you misbehave or mistreat the park. It really is a beautiful place though.
sometimes you just gotta look at the simplest explanation. maybe that day there really were two blonde little boys running around, completely independent of eachother. Stranger things have happened.
As soon as he reappeared randomly and just called out to searchers, my first thought was he was grabbed by the Fey. His strange answers to questions like "I don't care" almost make me think what they found was a changeling. Otherwise he spent a week with some of the benevolent Fey who returned him home when they felt it was right.
Step parent/grandparent or biological it doesn’t matter. Truth of the matter is a kid is INFINITELY more likely to be abused by a relative than a stranger. It happens a lot with step-relatives, also a lot with bio relatives. I was abused by my father (who even asked my mother to help him his daughter, my half sisters! She did not, she told him she would go to the police). I think it’s entirely likely (but not enough evidence to really say anything definitive) that his grandfather was involved in his disappearance.
The Rip Van Winkle story also connects to this phenomenon. He drank the drought of spirits in the mountains and woke up years later with no knowledge of how much time had passed. To everyone in town he'd gone missing.
I really enjoyed this video very much. Maybe I haven't paid enough attention, but I believe this to be the 1st time You have considered a paranormal explanation for what happened, one that you actually seemed to think fit and could be plausible anyway. And I Love that! If you've ever read any of Paullides books you should be aware that he does mention the Fae quite often. Such as hearing music and being drawn to it like a moth to a flame. And WOW I did not know that The Appalachian Mountains 🏔️ were once connected to a mountain range in Scotland!?! Fascinating. Love this and y'all! Thnx for all you do! XOXO 🧚🏻♀️
Home town: Elizabethton County: Carter favorite place : Roan Mountain. Yes I lived there all my life and my mom still does. I spent many many days in Roan Mountain heard this case although not until Dave Paulides covered it several years ago and I was shocked. Btw Sheriff Crumley was one of the best sheriff’s we ever had. I’ve been in those very rhododendrons where they were. It would be easy to get lost there. We used to came up there A LOT! Had I known then, what I know now, no way would I have went in there NOPE! Needless to say I don’t camp anymore or volunteer to walk in the woods.
Oh and we always took school trips to the roan. Well, we left school in shorts on a hot and sunny May Day, right before school got out for summer… on the roan, we made snowballs and had snowball fights… I lie not! It can snow there in July especially right before the North Carolina line.
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Also, we’ve been made aware of an interview with Michael Reel from 2022. We’ll be taking a look at it and updating in a future video.
I was born in 73 so just 2 years before Michael. Everyone I knew would describe anything anyone was drinking as Bud for beer and Jack for liquor. It does not mean he identified labels just that it was beer and liquor.
I'm not done with the story video, but it sounds like a SA case to me. It reminds me so much of the false memories of abuse of childhood Rpe.
His parents were using d(r)-ugs, and he got into their stash--took something that made him confused and want to walk around for hours, and the parents didn't want to get in trouble.
Yeah I'm going to tell you that hypothermia does not give you hallucinations like that. It gives you feeling hallucinations like you feel like someone's watching you or you feel hot or you feel vibration. Does it make you see things.
Could it be that he ate some shrooms or berries that that sent him into a hypertrip?
One of my relatives fell on the basement stairs and was unable to get up. It was after everyone in the family tried to call them(including myself) and after a full day of them not answering the phone, another relative went physically there to check on them. They were still alive but severely injured, and went into the hospital. When I asked if they were cold and/or scared for the whole time laying in the basement, they said no, the entire time they thought they were napping in their easy chair and the phone kept ringing and no matter how hard they tried they couldn't reach the phone (this was back in the house phone days). Said they were comfy and listening to the radio and napping. In a comfy chair. While they were laying on a cold cement floor with broken limbs and all. So the mind can "comfort" us with what we think of as "hallucinations" during life threatening moments. This boy may have been very frightened, hungry, dehydrated and cold. His mind sent him elsewhere to cope. JMO.
Obviously your relative was abducted by aliens who then trafficked them to Bigfoot
Under severe stress the mind disassociates from the situation.
That makes sense, the ONE thing that sticks out to me a lot ( and i don't believe at all in anything paranormal ) is his hair being almost perfect. I am curious how that happened.
Haven't watched the whole video yet but there's a thing called "third party syndrome" or something like that where people in life threatening scenarios can actually see, hear, and/or feel another person with them telling them what they need to do or encouraging them to keep going. They think it might be hallucinations of one's subconscious trying to save them. I don't know if perhaps he mentioned it in the video. That's why I said I haven't watched it all yet.
That's a consolation and a bit disturbing because one wonders how many times they spaced out.
As a former 8-year old, I could totally see myself thinking both "I'm lost and need help" and "my parents will be extremely upset because I got lost" and therefore do nothing to improve my situation. Him finally stepping up could just be him in some sort of delirium, making the paranoia worse and the boy just wanted to go home and would say literally anything to provide answers and fill the silence, regardless of his statement's veracity.
"As a former 8-year old" had me dying of laughter. I don't know why I find it so funny 😂😭
@@nillyk5671I get you.. like aren’t we all former 8 year olds 😀
As a former 8 year old I can confirm!😂😂🤣🤣
"As a former 8 year-old" reminds me of when CNN says "a source familiar with XYZ" lol
As another former 8yr old, so freaking true.
My grandfather once told me that he was helping to look for a fella who had gone lost in the woods for several days. There were a few of them standing on a road regrouping when the missing guy walked out of the woods, walked right across the paved road they were standing on, and went back into the woods on the other side, right in front of them. My grandfather said he was in a trance-like state and had no idea what he was doing. I wish he were still alive so I could ask him more about it.
Magic mushrooms.
@@Andrea-mg9pyDelirium (whether substance-induced or not) is an interesting hypothesis, but I wouldn't go to magic mushrooms (psilocybe) that wouldn't put one in that state. Psychoactive amanitas (A. muscaria, A. pantherina etc.), on the other hand, might.
Maybe high off berries or mushroom he found?
Extreme Long distance swimmers talk about how your body goes into a trance and your mind is what is keeping you going when EVERYTHING is screaming that you should stop. But you can’t. So to escape your physical pain, you enter a type of trance where the only thing your brain processes is MOVE.
Wow, that's a strange one!!
More common than we think, I suspect!
When his mother said "we've been searching", and he responded with "I don't care", it made me think he probably ran away from the campsite because he was upset about something. It could explain the contradictions in the family's stories, and maybe their publicity shyness afterwards, if they weren't honest about how he got lost the first time they were asked.
He probably got a whooping and ran off mad or maybe told to get a good switch and decided not to go back for that whooping. There was one time I didn't return from getting a switch (I decided to spend the day in a treehouse) but I learned not to do that again.
@@johnw8578lol!
my thought on the kid saying the guy was drinking "Bourbon" is that that's a word he associated with all liquor of that color. If his parents ever "went to the store for bourbon" it would be in his lexicon, and that's the kind of way kids think often. The idea that there are different brown liquors might have been beyond him.
True, or just a guess because he has heard of bourbon before.
Yeah. Kids do that. Shoot even grown ups who don't know guns call every pistol a glock. People call all tissues kleenex a lot, it's a common thing but especially for a kid.
That's what I thought too. It's like how every soda is "a coke" to some people. Every beer is budweiser and everything alcoholic but not beer is bourbon. Seems pretty simple. More simple than the rest of it..
Agreed
Yeah likely just a word he knew loosely meant alcohol other than beer in a can.
Hey, fellas. Father of 5 here. Regarding the whole how long have you been in the woods thing and the boy said 30 minuets bit around the 38:15 point; he probably meant literally in those woods specifically at that time. As in, he was in a field a half hour prior and just recently walked into that part of the forest. Keep in mind a childs definition of a field, so *literally any* brief clearing is a field to a little boy that age. 8 year olds, in my experience, take all questions at face value and have no such understanding of implied context even if they've been missing for a week.
He’s still alive and gave an interview. He stayed in a cabin the night before.
Ugh, I raised 3 Boys. They were very different. One was really articulate, one was vague, the other, he could really tell you a long story!
I remember most of my childhood and started reading words when I was 3. I was a curious child and did not scare easily. I certainly knew time. My Mom would tell us when to be home when I was 5. I would come home when I was told to.
Geeze I can't believe she let my Sisters and I ride our tricycles to the School that was 1/2 mile away when I was 4 years old?!?
@@Prof.Tarfeather I also can't believe it, that a 4yo goes to school already
Also time passes redicylessly slow the younger you get and so time frames for ppl that young are far more in the lresent than with an adult
@@Prof.Tarfeatherapperently you got brainDamage along the way since you clearly have forgotten children in western nations dont start school until age 6 and preschool, a relatively new institution hadnt become a thing until my generation (gen Y) however even then it would be starting school at 5.
Now even if you miss remember and it was at age 5 and also you were one of the very few who attended ppl preschool back then, i can assure you that no school in the west will accept lone attendance by a child under 8. A legal guardian or a provider with a pre approved, signed and filed pass must be there to transfer stewartship of the adolescent. Its purley a legal thing, the kid could get injured and then the courts wouldhave to determine when the schools responsibility started and ended and the parents began. Nowadays its about abduction because diverse-Nations-have high crime, low trust, and rampant child-safety issues however every single ethnohomogenous-nation like japan or finland have such low-crime that all kids, at least in japan walk to school starting at age 6iirc. This is only possible when your nation is an extention of your family and you can see groups of 5-10 6 year olds all in the same outfit boarding the subways together in the morning
(Going on a tangent here: as a westerner its truly a culture shock to see such a high trust society. However everyone looks out for the little ones and makes room for them because they are all part of the same outer family. its so frustrating to see people not understanding this and not understanding that society its self can only be exploited if it is fragmented into separate cultural groups. To conqure you must divide. The number one weakness any opponent can have is division. Divided they fall but united they stand. DiversityIsYourWeakness! When corpos say its "our strength!" They arnt lying, its their strength but its not ours! Every single stat that exist proves this)
Ok sorry about that rant, anyways i think your missremembering my guy
Missing children who are located alive have frequently described missing time and engaging with creatures, or being in places that aren't familiar to locals.
It kinda sounds like the kid got lost, wandered onto some old dudes property, the dude fed him and sent him on his way.
That's what I think. And the guy probably told him either that he was a grandpa or to call him Grandpa which actually is quite common down south.
could've even been a moonshiner, explaining the apperent alcoholism and the not just calling the cops-ism, and maybe even said "Just call me grandpa" or something to that effect, not wanting his name out there.
I was thinking that too, come across plenty of old men in the hallers that you either called Sir or Gramps/Pappy. Seen some pretty neat buildings, most are dug into the ground (warmer in the winter and harder for feds to find) also seen a whole ass boat in the middle of the woods with a wino living in it year round.
@LKMNOP Nah, it's not. I've lived down south on the TN/MS line (about 4 hours further south than Elizabethtown) my entire life - 36 years, my husband 38 years, my mother 68 years, dad for 69 years, and none of us ever met an old man one time that had us calling him grandpa that wasn't our actual grandpa. We didn't call any old women grandma either. The tradition for addressing an elder down south is to call them Mr or Ms (first name). Across the board, that is what we've all called elders we weren't related to. If an old man asked my kids to call him grandpa, I'd be seriously disturbed, and they would not be calling him anything because they would not be allowed to speak to him. Lol that's a weird dude. Don't talk to him. Down south, we respect our elders, and your actual grandpa/grandma only gets the respect of being called that name as the monarch of the family. Calling some other man or woman that is like calling them the king or queen when they are not actually the king or queen. Not a random man you met in the woods once or any amount of times. But I do like the theory he was a moonshiner and that was just his alias that day. Lol because moonshiners were a dime a dozen when mom was living in Cookeville and dad living in Lexington, TN on the TN River. He said there was a body in the river every other day due to moonshiner disagreements. He even happened upon a still in the deep woods one time with 2 men running it (fishing the dead bugs out of it) when he was a kid. He said they saw him, but he didn't say anything to them. He just turned around and walked quietly back the way he came. They did not pursue or say anything to him either. It was def someone who didn't want the kid to know his real name.
@@Janellabelle Yeah, but to those of us not from down south, it sounds like something a southerner would say, therefore it must be quite common. lol
Can you help with a murder?... My ex was found killed out of state on the side of I-95 (single gunshot wound to the head), and the cops and/or media suggested she was a drug-addicted hooker (she wasn't), so no real investigation was done. They basically said "no evidence, no reason to investigate." The lawyer is saying she was 'likely' a victim of a serial killer who has since been caught, but there was no reason to question him about her, as he has since been convicted of a few other murders. Jurisdictional issues between town, county, & state PDs have left me with nothing but one insulting article. Is there like a FOIA-type deal I can do for local law enforcement? Since we weren't married (and her mother didn't like me), I have no closure & I'm kinda left feeling impotent since 2008. Her name was Missy, and she seems forgotten & me dismissed. I liked her so much.
Ooh, do you have this information somewhere? Is there a FB page? Kinda curious because there are some other TH-camrs that would do it. Lore lodge is more about missing people..
I'm really sorry for your loss, dude... I hope someone can help you. 😔
I'm so sorry to hear this. I really hope you find closure for your late ex.
Good luck to you. I think you could also try other true crime channels to get the word out
I’m wondering what state this was in?
Missy… how old was she? Where was she going and what were you doing at the time?
As far as the bourbon issue: as an 8 year old all brown iquor was whiskey to me. So he may have used bourbon to describe "brown alcoholic liquid
💯 what i was thinking
Yeah you have to always have the possibility eye witnesses were wrong. Especially an 8 year old child in a life threatening situation.
Bourbon ONLY is made in KY. They even have it Trademarked and copyrighted to the state of KY. and in KY, all other brown liquors are called whiskey or sour mash.
@ajaxslamgoody9736 the theory is that not all 8 year olds understand that
@@ajaxslamgoody9736 That’s completely irrelevant to the point.
My man leaning into the fae lore. I was halfway through a comment when he hit on it. There's a lot in this story in common with oldschool fairy abduction stories. Often the fae realm is described as having time that moves differently, featuring lavish feasts, visitation with the dead, and has a deep natural connection. There's also a trickster aspect; a disembodied voice yelling to family members with witnesses hearing slightly different phrases fits the archetype perfectly, as does the fact that only something sweet was taken when food was left. Honestly, this case fits far better than most contemporary examples people usually cite for fairy shenanigans.
In the folklore of the Naxi people, in the Himilayas, Rhododendrons are supposed to guard the world of the dead, so, y'know, we got that going for us, too.
True. If people boiled water in eggshells more routinely, this sort of thing wouldn’t happen.
I didn't know this thanks I'm very interested in fae lore and am working on a fantasy novel thanks for posting both of the above comments.
@@mecahhannahif you haven’t read it already, I highly recommend the novel Emily Wilde’s Encyclopedia of Faeries by heather fawlett. It goes through fae stories from all over the world and has an incredible overarching story about a researcher creating the first faerie encyclopedia. It’s my absolute favorite fae related book
It's such a tiny aspect for me, but it's kind of wild that he held onto the pot the entire time. He didn't drop it anywhere or forget it at any point or leave it at a safe sleeping area he made for himself he may have been returning to. No, he thought it important to carry this pot with him at all times while he wandered the forest, for days and days.
I thought the same!! I think it was sweet
It would’ve been his best weapon incase attacked
Made me think of the towel in "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy".
@DaddiDrako I was thinking more that it would be useful for him to drink water out of and store food in but at 8 I'm not sure how aware he would be and if he would consider transport of sustenance or weapons in potential attacks.
It was probably comforting to him, a reminder of the security and comfort of home and his family.
I just saw Micheal Reel’s interview from not long ago. His explanation of sleeping during the day and walking at night to stay warm might explain his erratic mobility
This is sometimes a good tactic. Sleeping cold can be impossible.
That particular fact of him being seen _"darting in and out of the rhododendrons gardens"_ is pretty creepy for some reason.
Yeah for real
hats off and a massive Thank You to the audio mixer who understands the intro music doesn't need to be three times as load as the rest of the audio. sounds simple but TH-cam if filled with the unaware. your levels are perfect if ya ask me. ✌😎👍
This.
100! So so appreciated!
I was reading this comment when he started talking about it
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As an Irish person who's developing an interest in the culture and history of the Appalachians, I would personally like to see more on Celtic myth 👋
Love to the motherland! 💚🤍🧡
I found a great old book by a folklore historian about Gaelic myths and historical cases of missing people. I had it well before ever learning of missing 411 but a few of the cases mirrored the cases she found in Irish history. Some of them were practically verbatim but from another country a hundred years ago.
Some of the missing people were described as being found but resembling a shell of a person, like their death wasn't natural or the body they found wasn't the actual person. It reminded me of the descriptions Paulides found and how people are found to have just sorta dropped dead for no definitive reason. Like their life force was simply removed.
Every ounce of Irish blood coursing through my veins tells me there is some truth to the folklore.
The Vanishing People (Fairy Lore and legends) by Katherine Briggs
Well, that area is mostly Irish and Scotch-Irish descendants so it's mostly based on their motherland myth and culture.
Yo I would love that too!! My grandparents never talked about their myths often but I’m glad you’re learning from us!! There’s a lot of mixing here, and knowing how my grandparents on both sides were, there is very likely some Irish myth/folklore mixed in the Appalachians! Though a lot of it is German and Native though LOL
We have poitín they have moonshine! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You can go see the end of the Appalachians in Scotland! They are beautiful here. I live in the foothills of the Appalachians. Cool history, too!
Thanks for mentioning that about step-relatives. There’s a big misconception in media (like the “evil step-mother” trope) that step-relatives are always conniving, evil people, but I’ve lived next door to my grandmother and step-grandfather on my dad’s side all of my life and he’s one of the sweetest souls I know. Honestly it feels wrong called him my step-grandpa, he’s always been my Pappaw, just like my blood grandfather on my mom’s side. One thing’s for sure, he’s much more family to me than my actual grandfather on my dad’s side
As a very young soul, told my step grandma that she was grandma, no step to it, she bent over hugged me crying ,miss her hug your love ones
Unripe mulberries can cause hallucinations. North Carolina is in the range of the Red Mulberry tree. Mulberries ripen between June and August, meaning that when Michael was out there, he would have likely come across both ripe and unripe Mulberries.
What? We have a mulberry tree in our backyard. As kids, we ate unripe mulberries all the time. The only thing it ever caused was a stomach ache.
@bunnyluver2176 you might not have eaten enough, or maybe the kid got some extra sap.
The side effects are upset stomach and hallucinations.
Might also take effect more easily if it's the only thing you've eaten for a few days
I’ve also read that bees that make honey from rhododendrons make something called mad honey. If he smelled the flowers and thought they might have been edible, he could have had some and hallucinated some of his experiences
Cool
In adult interviews, Michael says 90% of this never happened. His story has been told and retold and blown out of proportion. His disappearance was also big news at the time. Lots of people showed up to help, and people like to tell stories.
The fact that the kid said he was gone for 30 minutes is that back then most tv shows were only 39 minutes. And I based my life around tv shows. And if I was asked back then how long I did something I would have just said 30 minutes no matter how long it really was. I had no concept of time. And I think most kids back then didn’t either.
Would you have said that if you had fallen asleep multiple nights in a row though?
@@rumpeltyltskyn I wonder the same thing. Liked Kloops comment bc this is really interesting
@@rumpeltyltskyn yeah he was lost multiple days, at that point he would've noticed that it was more than a couple minutes. I mean, I lost track of time before, but at some point you get hungry, tired, or have to use the bathroom and that brings you back on track.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Yeah I think at 8 you have the capacity to differentiate between “30 minutes” and “a week”. Like I’d TOTALLY get if it were a few hours. Even none night, or if he seemed super traumatized. But in this case it doesn’t really line up. I personally believe his grandfather was involved myself. But it’s just a hunch as there really isn’t any good evidence.
I am so glad i read your comment whole. I started thinking ``oh no paranormal bs`` but no, that is a really good theory.
The only issue with the fairy mound speculation is that typically if you eat food there then you’re basically stuck.
unless he was stuck, and what came back wasn't him (I do not actually believe this but like if we're approaching this as a Fae thing it would make sense)
idk if that's the ONLY issue
In a lot of the stories it's if you eat stuff uninvited. If you take what wasn't freely given.
@@Willothemask Most of the ones I'm familiar with the fairies offer you food because (Like Hades) they want you to eat and stay forever. Even if it's offered, don't eat the fairy food.
@@lluviathewolfgirlare you actually saying that with seriousness
Speaking of supernatural explanations, you might look into Cherokee legends of the Nunnehi, which match very closely to Gaelic legends of the Sidhe. They often would take lost hunters, travelers, and children into their underground houses to care for them, as in the story of Yahula. The Cherokee also speak of the Yunwi Tsunsdi,or "Little People", which match more closely with the various fairies, etc of Celtic lore. Of note is the fact that the Cherokee lived in the Southern Appalachian region prior to the Cherokee Removal of 1838. If real, Nunnehi might explain many of the more paranormal aspects of Missing 411 stories. Beings able to influence our perceptions could also explain lost time, cryptid sightings, and many other paranormal phenomena. I consider the concept an interesting thought experiment.
I learned about the Nunnehi and Yunwi Tsundi just recently, in a video on here. The same phenomenon in different languages? There's quite a few analogues in different folklores around the world. Not exactly the same, but enough in common that they could be referencing the same type of thing. I agree that "Fae" could explain a lot of strangeness.
As a Scotch-Irish that has had family living in Appalachia and mid Georgia since before the Revolution, this is the stuff we don't mention out loud. If you heard something in the woods that sounded off; no, you didn't.
I live in the town of roan mtn .i was 10 in 1983 and searched for micheal with my grandfather.local people were happy he was found but pissed at the family .the whole situation did not make sense.
It was so good of you and your family to help. ❤
I'm disappointed that they missed that he was interviewed a year ago and answered a lot of these questions. That seems like a crucial point of evidence. Much of this has been explained already, by him.
Lore Lodge should see if he'll agree to be interviewed. It would make for a good podcast episode.
He was?? Can you please link the interview?
@@littlemoondarling
th-cam.com/video/HoCE_Oo1nrE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IEQ514efNRm8WPmp
This is the interview I found when I searched for it on TH-cam. It's from a smaller channel, so it's a little rough.
@@littlemoondarling
th-cam.com/video/HoCE_Oo1nrE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rhqGv3Vy0ICNfodV
@@littlemoondarlingJust search for Michael Reel interview. It’s easily found.
What was his story?
It feels hard to believe that the family wasn’t involved, but as you said, a reason why is difficult to find. I wonder if maybe he got snatched by a kind but demented elderly man who thought he was his grandson, didn’t know there was a child missing, and just hung out with him until the boy wandered off back home.
He did an interview last year clearing all this up
@@epiidemiktv1761link?
“Seen a man up on the mountain doing two thirds of the George Thorogood special” that part had me cryingggg 🤣💀
Alright this may be a long shot but hear me out: consuming any part of rhododendron will make the person sick so you’re unlikely to eat much of it, but something that happens is called Mad Honey where someone eats the honey that bees made with nectar from the rhododendron flower. Consuming this honey is known to cause hallucinations, and people in Nepal and other places regularly eat the honey for the “religious experience.” I wonder if he came across this Mad Honey, or if he was so hungry he ate some of the rhododendron pods, and it caused the hallucinations. As I said before, the average adult who eats parts of the plant doesn’t usually eat enough to have neurological symptoms but he was a small skinny 8 year old, so maybe what he ate was enough? Just a thought 💭
Hi can you guys please have a look at the two following cases.
The Tromp family - A family of five disappeared on a tech-free road-trip only to turn up one by one after a week-long odyssey of more than 995 miles, which ended with a police investigation and two of them in psychiatric care.
The Bizarre case of Noah Presgrove!!!
He mentioned staying with his grandfather in a white house eating eggs and biscuits…but earlier you said his grandfathers had both passed away, but that he had a step-grandfather. Did anyone ever ask him which grandfather he meant?
I do wonder if it was some other old man who asked to be called grandpa, makes sense to me. Why would the step grandfather just not report finding him then and you think it would get out eventually if that was the case at least to the parents
@@victory8928Honestly, that was kinda my thinking. If the kid's never met his biological grandfathers, that opens up the possiblity that the old man could literally be anyone, and just told the kid to call him Grandpa, which the kid took at face value.
@izzisart to be fair my parents told me to go sit by my cousins who were visiting as we watched a local car race. I didn't recognize my cousins bc we only saw them once a year.
So, afraid of asking for clarification and admitting I didn't know where they sat or what they looked like, I picked a random adult and sat beside him for the rest of the races much to my father's horror 😅
So I 100% believe a child of the same age would take anyone saying "Oh call me grandpa" and just run with it lol
Rhododendron berries are toxic and can cause mental problems they are also easily confused with huckleberry which are edible!
I've eaten a handful and nothing happened but on that same day from the same push, my friend ate just a few like 7 berries or less and was so sick he had to go to the hospital. When we got there we showed the hospital the berries we ate and we told the nurses and doctors how many my friend ate and they said he should be fine, he's going to feel like shut for a while but he will recover. I can't remember the type of meds they gave him but in the end he was fine. But when I told the doctors I also ate some and they asked me how much I told them a huge handful they literally thought I was lying. Even when my friend backed me up they thought we were lying. And they told me me if I did eat the amount I said that I would die. Idk if they I didn't know what they were talking about or if they were just trying to scare me but in the end literally nothing happened to me at all however they did make me sit in the same room with my friend to see if I started having any symptoms or anything but I literally had nothing happened to me. However I don't know I've been pretty fortunate when it comes to getting sick or contracting rashes or I have a pretty good tolerance to poisons for example I literally cannot get poison oak poison ivy or poison sumac I've been bitten by a black widow spider and nothing ever happened to me I've only been sick three times in my life and that was before I was 5 years old since I've been over the age of five which I am 37 years old now I have never once been sick not even the common cold even when everybody in my house had chickenpox I never caught that when everybody in my house had covid I never got that. So I'm just going to say that I am extremely lucky however my brother also cannot get poison oak poison ivy or poison sumac but he has been sick a lot and in his life he's also had the chickenpox he also had covid. However according to the doctors that my mom had talked to when I was 15 years old we were there just for a checkup and we asked the doctor why I wasn't able to get poison ivy and poison sumac or poison oak and he said that it's not as uncommon as you think. Backand the day or should I say my generation and older one out of every 10,000 people approximately are immune to those kinds of plant poisons however in today's society and the younger generations with all the steroids and antibiotics that everybody gets and how clean everybody always is they have to have their house sterilized at all times they have to wash their hands every single time before they eat and all that kind of crap now the chances of somebody not being able to get poison oak poison sumac or poison ivy is more like one out of every 100,000-150,000 people. That's why I always tell everybody if you don't want your kid to get sick expose them to germs at a very young age which is exactly what my mom did that's not to say we lived in a dirty house cuz it's quite the opposite we lived in immaculately clean house however my mom was not one to tell me to wash my hands every single time before I ate or if I drop something on the floor in our kitchen my mom wouldn't b**** if I picked it up and ate it, things like that. I don't know and I'm sorry for rambling on I justsaw the story about the berries was interesting and funny that you brought them up because to this day I still don't have an explanation on why I ate so many and my friend ate just a couple and was so violently sick that we both thought he was going to die now keep in mind we were young teenagers at the time so we didn't know what really was going to happen😂😂
@@elitehacker1416 I second this. I was pretty normal in regards to getting sick up until Covid when, like everybody else i was washing and sanitizing my hands at every turn. I eventually got it, lasted 4 days or so, just had some sniffles and lost taste for like two days, about a week after it tho i got the most violent, long lasting common god damn cold i've ever had. Shit lasted for months i swear, three months in fact. After it ended i swore off hand sanitizer and needless washing despite covid sill being around a good year and a half after it and lo and behold i've not been sick once since.
@@elitehacker1416holy shit you typed a book. Did you just get on ADHD meds? I used to do that type of shit when I didn’t have a tolerance to my Ritalin lol.
@elitehacker1416 I actually enjoyed reading what you wrote. I don't think poison ivy/oak/sumac immunity is that rare nowadays though. I know 3 people all in their 20s who are immune to poison ivy so I think it's a bit more common than 1 in 100,000,000.
@@isqueakifyousqueeze2601its mostly genetic. Idk why that person thinks "washing your hands" is a problem that needs to be solved in modern society rather than like, the single largest impact on improved health outcomes and life expectancy humans have had in recorded history.
We're slowly watching him turn into Bobby from Super Natural
For the cases where the mundane fails to feel satisfactory, I find the Fae (and similar entities in other cultures) to be my preferred solution. Especially when you have notable time loss.
What I really appreciate about your work, though, is that you don't jump to that immediately and I wanted to make sure you know that because the work you do demystifying this stories that are practically their own fairy tales at this point is essential to being able to isolate those cases that do stand out from the rest.
I do agree but it also depends on context. Said ‘fae’ could have just been a kind old man who took the boy in for a bit but either didn’t know he was missing/ there was a missing child or didn’t want to get involved with authorities for whatever reason. I say kind cause lets be honest an unkind elderly man wouldn’t have let him get away nor would the boy not comment on that in some way that he can best describe
I actually have no sense of time and friends joke im on “
Fairy time”
A quick google search will take you right to an interview in November of 2022 between Eric Strauss and Michael Reel. Michael explains most of the lore - the drunk, the cabin, the breakfast his step grandfather made (before he got lost), the “clean” hair…. I did not hear (the interview cut in and out at times) precisely how and why he got lost in the first place. Still, googling his name took me straight to the interview with Michael Reel.
I don’t typically Google these cases. I look for primary sources and go from there. I’ll admit it was an oversight on my part.
@@TheLoreLodgethere is always the next video you can put an update in👍
Considering the amount of work you do in a week missing a piece of information is forgiven.
Thanks 😊 will get onto thatasap
The world of academic research is rapidly changing. Tbh, I wouldn't have thought to search YT for primary source material. But indeed interviews are primary sources and not all interviews are transcribed. I'm certain this will be a less on learned and in the future Aiden will expand the scope of his research to include alternate sources. Meanwhile, maybe he'll post a link to the November 2022 interview via a pinned comment and send his loyal viewers to that channel watch the interview once they are done here. The Aidens have integrity. I dont think they'll just dismiss the oversight. I could very much see them doing something to bring this supplemental evidence to light now while the views are high rather than just mentioning in an update at some future point in time.
@@TheLoreLodgeIn the interview, Mr. Reel expresses how traumatic the event was for him and how he wishes for the truth to be shared and not whatever the articles have embellished. The man still suffers awful nightmares of being lost in the woods and it’s been over 40 years. The least that can be done is have some respect and care for his experience.
I’m going to stop telling people I am autistic and am actually just a changeling 😂😂
same!!! honestly it would explain so much 😂
You might be. You never know.
You go for it Be in charge of your own reality! Best wishes!!
Yeah, I think he has it backwards. People suspected of being changelings weren't autistic; Autism is just the latest medical euphemism for Changeling.
It's what I do.
Ok. I just watched the interview Michael Real gave in 2022 and he explains everything. He said yes he found an abandoned cabin. No there was no food in it. Yes he had breakfast with his step grandfather but that was BEFORE he went missing not during. Yes there was a drunk man but he was a searcher volunteer and he didn’t see him while he was lost, it was his mother who saw the drunk man and it’s really nothing supernatural or Bigfoot or anything strange. He simply got lost
That’s what I figured, and I feel like that falls pretty in line with what I ended up saying was most likely. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough that I was just entertaining other ideas for fun? Only thing I still would find odd is how he got from one place to another.
@@TheLoreLodge Have you ever looked at the 'stickied list' on the 411?
I almost hope it WAS the fae, because otherwise this is giving some serious Balloon Boy vibes, particularly with the ever-changing story from the family about when/how he first went missing.
The family would refuse interviews after though. Doesn't make sense if they wanted fame
Yeah. People viewing step relatives as suspicious in these cases makes me sad given my stepdad and stepbrother are some of the coolest people I’ve ever met.
You should be more sad that most of us don't share that experience..hence wicked stepmom.
I have no idea how I didn't discover this channel until like 2 weeks ago, I'm a true crime junkie so this stuff is right up my alley. And frankly the deep dives you guys do are unparalleled, plus you're super consistent with a video per week? Excuse me while I do tricks on it lmaooo
You didn't discover this channel. There were already 557K subscribers. What, they don't count? You're going to claim to be the one who discovered it as though those 557K people don't matter? Who do you think you are, Columbus, saying "yeah, there are hundreds of nations on this land with millions of people, but I want the glory so I'll say I'M the one who discovered it!" You can't discover a place when people were already there.
@@WhatDoesMyChannelNameMean Dude you’ve got to turn off the computer, put the phone down, and go outside. Seriously.
Assuming the kid grew up and is still alive, wouldn't it make sense to interview him now and get his version as an adult?
When you shared the part of the story where the boy indicated he was with his grandfather watching TV, eating eggs biscuits. IMO, I interpreted your explanation as if the boy was hallucinating or confused.
in my mind, I think he may have just been imagining a different reality. You do not need to be hallucinating or on drugs to consciously change the reality we find ourselves in and make it a different one that is easier to accept.
As an example, one very cold winter day I was waiting for my ride and I was cold and miserable. The longer I stood waiting the more miserable I became. I closed my eyes and imagined myself in front of an air-conditioner. The cold winter breeze hitting my face, I imagined was the cold air from the AC blowing on me.
For me, it was easier to believe I was indoors in front of a cold air conditioner than outside in the winter weather being miserable.
The point here, is the boy may have done something similar to help him and make it easier on himself.
This of course is just my opinion and is only a possibility I'm throwing out there instead of the hallucinating theory.
It's disassociation. When faced with severe trauma the mind splits off, goes somewhere else, like your happy place. Sometimes we do this on purpose, sometimes not. It's a self defense mechanism.
@@skippersnacksThat’s not how dissociation works or what it is, at all. Imagining things and zoning out ≠ dissociation. Going to your “happy place” is just daydreaming. Dissociation does not cause you to see things that aren’t there. It’s more of a splitting of self where you and your surroundings feel unreal. Dissociation would account for time loss, loss of direction, and confusion, but it doesn’t account for believing you’re somewhere else entirely.
Edit: I realize this sounds slightly combative, and that’s not my intention. Just trying to make sense of the story. I think dissociation could be an element at play, especially given how he seems to have processed time with earlier examples from the story, and maybe it explains why he couldn’t give a straight story and remember his path, but I don’t think that explains this. I think OP has it right. If it wasn’t a hallucination, I think it makes sense for him to have come up with a story to make himself feel better, or just straight up lied. (No judgement, kids do that, especially under stress)
@@a-yam943you barely know dissociation, dissociation can very much be a delirium
@@reeegg9218 You just described a new phenomenon, which is delirium, and is a very severe medical condition. Some symptoms of delirium include confusion, disorganized thinking, memory and concentration problems, and hallucinations and delusions. Symptoms of dissociation include a sense of separation from yourself and your emotions, a blurred sense of identity, and thinking that the people and things around you are distorted and unreal. The symptoms of delirium are very similar to and often compared to dementia. There are many causes of delirium and dissociation, both of which could have occurred because of his situation, however they are not the same thing, nor are they very similar. (Edit for spelling mistake.)
But regardless of this, there’s an interview with the man that went missing. He said none of this ever happened and that his words were misconstrued. He never imaged his grandfather making him eggs and biscuits, that came from the fact that his grandfather made eggs and biscuits BEFORE they went camping, and that he stayed in an abandoned cabin a few days before being found. This comes from an interview with him on TH-cam. There seemed to have been a lot of reporting errors in this case, and this is an example of that. He never said anything about his grandfather cooking him food in a cabin. His words were recorded improperly.
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Welcome my dude, Aiden does his research, that's what makes it so good.
@@isqueakifyousqueeze2601 I couldn't concur more. Ever. Never. Ever.
Celtic Mommy Goddess and the Wailing Fairies of death is title that is metal as all get out. The immortal salmon deserves a revisit and new video now that you have more followers. That is by far my favorite part of Irish folklore.
Oh wow! The new source listing in "video real time" is a nice transparency change! ❤❤❤❤
Guess that was just a one video thing? In fact now that all the Paulidez cases are done, whats next? Please not podcasts!!! Ripping hair out!
My dad was in the 82nd Airborne, stationed at Fort Bragg, from 1975-1984. Unfortunately he passed in 2021, so I can't talk to him about it. But the request you made in your video made me think about him, which is nice...
This man is still alive- there’s a video about him talking about his experience being a missing kid
How do you know? Source?
Oh, I'm sorry, I thought he wasn't found. 😅
He is just a couple years older than my son. I figure unless he died young he would still be alive. I wonder what his story is now after years of thought.
Be interesting to hear.
I watched it because of this comment. It answered a lot. It sounds like a lot of things just got warped in the retelling.
It didn't cover everything, though. They should see if he'll appear on their podcast and answer questions.
@@ladyagresa th-cam.com/video/HoCE_Oo1nrE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=idZEcM0uPM7pytpP
When it comes to the military helping they make a announcement on base saying that there is someone missing and if anyone wants to volunteer to help search to sign up
I honesty don't find it hard to believe that the cops could missed the kid being on a 2x2m radius after allegedly searching the area multiple times. Here in Argentina there was a family that went missing for months, so much speculation and bad press, and turns out they just crashed their car and they were right on the side of a road that was "allegedly" searched mutiple times.
Its an universal experience for law enforcement to have search parties being badly organized and then trying to save face afterwards. At least this kid didn't die.
By the sounds of it, he didn't really want to be found either. In terrain like that it can be very hard to find someone, let alone if they don't want to be found
Sometimes terrain makes it extremely easy to be invisible to searchers. When was about 8, my family and I were walking in the forest near our house. I slipped into a drainage ditch and if my mother hadn't actually seen me go, they would have had no idea what happened to me.
They had to part the ferns to see me sitting comfortably on a thick layer of pine needles looking surprised but completely unhurt. The ditch was about six feet (2 metres) deep so I wouldn't have been able to climb out without help
There seems to be an occam's razor explanation. His dad picked him up. His mom was an alcoholic and had no idea what happened hence constantly changing the story. Might have even reported him missing because she forgot his dad picked him up. His dad was his ride to the top of the mountain since he was there. Then they set up him being "rescued". All a misunderstanding brought on by an alcoholic mother.
Did they say the mother was an alcoholic?
@@KerrieKruegner I believe that alcoholics exist.
It's more believable that the guy drinking in the campsite said the word bourbon loud enough for him to hear
My father was in the 82nd airborne for well over 20 years at bragg, just a little after this if you want, I can definitely give you some of his insight but this was 90-2010s
I'm pretty sure Aiden is correct that people didn't dig any further on the inconsistencies because the kid was found alive and well. I'm glad it turned out that way too. That was a strange one but at least it had a happy ending.
So aside from it obviously being Bigfoot, has anyone asked the kid now that he’s grown?
Secondly, Ockham’s razor: it was either step grandpa or “hi kid, I’m your grandpa” doing things I’d prefer not to think about
Lastly, Aidan, you were so close! You almost made it an entire video without mentioning Paulides 😂 good effort
"Has anybody asked him now?" is so loud in my head I missed all the Celtic mythy goodness
as a matter of fact, yes! hes apparently cleared up a lot of the questions left over from all of this according to other comments
He has been in many many interviews. The guy on this channel says he's spent days trying to figure out the mystery. Bull puck! It took me less than 30 seconds to find a whole list of interviews with Michael Reel. I had put a link here but removed it because I don't know if I can put links here. Just do a search and you'll find them easily.
Fair bet. It's Occam though. Occam's razor; just for future reference.
Well kid memory. He probably still not sure what realy happening.
Kids will block out trauma and then make up a story (subconsciously) about what happened instead. Hell adults do this also. But kids have much more vivid imaginations.
He was cold, hungry, he almost died so it makes sense that in his head he replaced it with being with family, having fun and being fed. I'm not sure why Aiden is having such a hard time with this?
And maybe he just knew that dark colored liquor was Bourbon, and just called all dark colored liquor Bourbon. I knew a kid who did that but called it all whiskey.
Maybe the boy called all liquor bottles bourbon... If he knows a bourbon drinker and saw something similar he may have just refered to it as bourbon.
"When bees feed on nectar from rhododendron flowers, the resulting honey can pack a hallucinogenic punch. It's called mad honey, and it has a slightly bitter taste and a reddish color." Not sure how likely it is that this kid found some mad honey in that rhododendron garden, but hey.....
Knew a guy who made shine with it. Called it "Sight Seein' Shine." Bat poo crazy. At least a dozen things in the mountains that are hallucinogenic if you don't know better. Even more if you do.
I came to comment the same!
I haven’t thought about little Debby oatmeal cakes in years but I desperately need one now after watching this video
I feel like him calling up to his mom or the cabin in the woods could've just been him dreaming. It can be difficult as an adult before you think about it to tell the difference between dreams and reality, and I don't know why the official narrative puts so much stock in hypothermia when children make stuff up all the time
Hell yeah Chappell Roan was mentioned in a Lore Lorge video.
I love when the straightest people I watch mention some queer culture thing it’s like a fun jumpscare
Changelings were said to be fairy offspring left in place of kidnapped, missing or lost children.
Now thats a horrific thought
@@lolk4530was often used in the middle ages and thereabouts to explain the behaviour of kids who were autistic or neurodivergent, the "odd" or unsettling actions of the kid were put down to the child being replaced by a changeling, it's pretty interesting but very sad to look into
@@ace_atomic3023 My kid went off to college and came back a changeling!
My mom would use it as a weapon against me in a way. She’d tenderly say “Sometimes I just think you are so odd you can’t possibly be my child- It must be that you are a changeling! Left here by one fairy or maybe gypsies who didn’t wanna raise you traveling. Maybe someday they’ll take you back and return my real girl!” I do want to say she didn’t mean this as derogatory to Roma peoples because she thought they were great but terms of the times in 1960’s)
She also over told me the story of the ugly duckling and made it clear I was not attractive so I would have to work harder on being pleasant and especially lady-like. She always said these just to me- not in front of anyone else! But I also was capable of rejecting some bs and I did! I refused to be “lady-like” and all simpering as she wanted. I played my tomboy games outdoors as tough and rough as I could! haha. She trained me to hate my face and body mainly because she hated hers. I didn’t put that garbage on my kid at all! Stop the generational trauma!
@@kehenabeach4418They all do these days, today's colleges are indoctrination centers.
Thank you for what you said about stepparents. I've been a stepmom since my stepdaughter was 2. She's now 14. I love her just as much as I love my bio daughter. I also love my 2 adopted sons just as much as I love my bio daughter. Even when we were fostering them, I loved them just as much.
You guys should do the "falling accident" of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon. Veryyyyyyy sketchy turn of events
Never expected to hear Aiden talking about the fae in one of these sort of videos, but I'm here for it
as other ppl have commented, michael may have just used "bourbon" for any brown, alcoholic liquid, but also is it possible the "answers" he gave were out of multiple choices that the interviewer offered? it's definitely happened before that a child was offered different descriptors and whatever they chose ended up being reported by media as if it were the child's own unprompted words.
Aiden(s) you gotta do the BOYS ON THE TRAIN TRACKS I’ll keep saying it on every vid til you see my comment someday.
Love your content, I look forward to every Friday. Been watching since you were a small channel.
If he ate crab apples which are distinctly not good for you, unless they're something else in the states, he could have been massively dehydrated at that point from throwing up.
He had a stomach ache but that was it. Crab apples here aren’t tasty and they don’t make you feel good but they won’t necessarily make you throw up. Some people use them in cooking.
Ahhh okay, I'm guessing that it's the same name for a similar looking fruit we have in the UK. Either that or my parents massively overblew how much they'd mess you up 😅
@@warwickwightman964 not just parents in the Uk, kids here in Texas are told there poisonous, especially for dogs.
I used to pick and eat crab apples very occasionally in SW Canada when I was a kid. They are _sour as hell_ and most people would likely spit them right out, or certainly wouldn't feel good after eating one. I was a little more accustomed to eating sour apples so I could usually manage them, but didn't make a habit of it since it's just not worth it unless you're starving.
There is a fruit that looks very much like the crab apple which is wildly poisonous though, but if he ate those, he wouldn't have gotten off that mountain alive.
@@cjcolehour2778 I'm from new england. I used to get told they were enough to make you sick and could kill you.
Maybe his getting colder as they moved down the mountain was because he was walking with them until he couldn't and had to be carried. I mean, maybe he just felt colder because we was weak and hadn't eaten, and was light-headed. Feeling cold can be a thing you feel just before you pass out.
Very strange case. The only thing that sounds remotely possible to me is he was kidnapped, and was trying to cope with it. That would explain his 'confusion' and 'hallucinations'. May explain him not going to people, but still calling out. Like maybe he yelled out to his dad and the kidnapper made him stop
But that doesn't explain everything
I've been enjoying the hell out of these videos, you all manage to make these already fascinating cases more enjoyable than most peopke, and the amount of research ya'll do is something i'm greatdul for when covering topics like these. And for the record ya'll mythology and history videos are great, ya'll should make them more🖤🔥🔥
Glad he was found. ❤
Thanks for another great video!
Great show, Aiden & Aiden! ❤❤
Pretty cool you mentioned The Fae. I was even going to make a joke about Changelings way earlier in the video when the info was starting to conflict.
Didn't expect the Chapell Roan mention
same
While dealing with the pain of my chronic illness my brain often places me in places I later know I couldn’t have been. It wouldn’t be surprised if his mind did similar while suffering the cold and dark, the mind is scary powerful
This reminds me of that one time
At band camp?
Who up cranking they hog
@@SuperJongler536im wonking my willy, hope that counts
@@SuperJongler536 same 🤭🫶
While I don't put much faith in it, the mythology lessons are actually a major reason I follow your channel. Honestly, my favorites are some of your lore/cryptid deep dives.
The boy may have mistakenly eaten magic mushrooms in the woods. He said he’d eaten berries and apples. He may have also picked up fungi.
Some things to consider: 1) kids make up stories and memories can be influenced (by others and by their own mind), 2) journalists make stuff up as well, 3) eye-witness reporting is always dubious. It seems to me that the kid ran away and hid from people until he wanted to be found for whatever reasons. I once ran away from home for a few days and stayed in the woods nearby during the day and slept in a dog house and an unlocked car at night -- I ate whatever nature had to offer and drank from the creek. I didn't want to get into too much trouble so I came up with different stories. And as an 70s kid, I had a comb in my pocket and a good knife (I was 9) and I knew how to survive by myself. The worst thing in the nearby woods would be coyotes.
Was he maybe hallucinating from eating fermented fruit?
Great video as always. This case happened in my back yard so to say. I'm from East Tennessee about 45 mins or so from this place.
Maybe not hallucinations but dreams when asleep.
"Not if they had a good home life" sent me into a laughing fit that made my husband give me a Spock eyebrow. You Sir are amazing and I love all your videos! Keep on keeping on and by God keep being amazing 😂
It reminds me of the story about the kid who was lost and came back to tell the story about having been with his “other grandma” the “robot grandma”. The woods can do crazy things to us. I have a theory that they can release pollens from the trees and other plants that are intoxicating. It would cause mammals to walk in circles hallucinating, just enough to die from dehydration or starvation. It would be an easy adaptation after all this time, allowing trees and plants to feed themselves in hardships.
There's also the little girl who saw, talked to, and said she was helped by another little girl who had the same name as a girl who had vanished years before.
I literally live 15 minutes away from roan mountain state park (I live on roan mountain!), my father in law works with the owls up in the park and I literally spend every weekend that’s warm up in cates hole in the river with my husband! I will say yes going there some days you feel like you’re being watched and not by anyone that wants you to see them. It’s not a bad feeling of being watched more like you’re being checked up on in case you misbehave or mistreat the park. It really is a beautiful place though.
sometimes you just gotta look at the simplest explanation. maybe that day there really were two blonde little boys running around, completely independent of eachother. Stranger things have happened.
Love what you're doing. Keep up the good work.
YAY TIME TO LORE MY LODGE
As soon as he reappeared randomly and just called out to searchers, my first thought was he was grabbed by the Fey. His strange answers to questions like "I don't care" almost make me think what they found was a changeling. Otherwise he spent a week with some of the benevolent Fey who returned him home when they felt it was right.
You should cover Maura Murray’s case.
The kid entered the "Deliverance" Banjo universe.
Step parent/grandparent or biological it doesn’t matter. Truth of the matter is a kid is INFINITELY more likely to be abused by a relative than a stranger. It happens a lot with step-relatives, also a lot with bio relatives. I was abused by my father (who even asked my mother to help him his daughter, my half sisters! She did not, she told him she would go to the police). I think it’s entirely likely (but not enough evidence to really say anything definitive) that his grandfather was involved in his disappearance.
The Rip Van Winkle story also connects to this phenomenon. He drank the drought of spirits in the mountains and woke up years later with no knowledge of how much time had passed. To everyone in town he'd gone missing.
He lost 8 lbs. Probably didn't eat at Pop's house.
I really enjoyed this video very much. Maybe I haven't paid enough attention, but I believe this to be the 1st time You have considered a paranormal explanation for what happened, one that you actually seemed to think fit and could be plausible anyway. And I Love that! If you've ever read any of Paullides books you should be aware that he does mention the Fae quite often. Such as hearing music and being drawn to it like a moth to a flame. And WOW I did not know that The Appalachian Mountains 🏔️ were once connected to a mountain range in Scotland!?! Fascinating. Love this and y'all! Thnx for all you do! XOXO 🧚🏻♀️
Time to get Lodgy (sorry, it was awful, I know)
But it's the kind of awful that fits this show perfectly. I like it
It’s lodgin’ time!
Thank you I love these kind of stories!
Aidan mentioning chappel was not in my bingo card
Home town: Elizabethton County: Carter favorite place : Roan Mountain.
Yes I lived there all my life and my mom still does. I spent many many days in Roan Mountain heard this case although not until Dave Paulides covered it several years ago and I was shocked. Btw Sheriff Crumley was one of the best sheriff’s we ever had. I’ve been in those very rhododendrons where they were. It would be easy to get lost there. We used to came up there A LOT! Had I known then, what I know now, no way would I have went in there NOPE! Needless to say I don’t camp anymore or volunteer to walk in the woods.
Oh and we always took school trips to the roan. Well, we left school in shorts on a hot and sunny May Day, right before school got out for summer… on the roan, we made snowballs and had snowball fights… I lie not! It can snow there in July especially right before the North Carolina line.
Wow. Talk about good timing