@@toomanyblocks8448then the band As I Stand Living doesn't exist if the band called themselves wovenwar. I'm not sure you understand how words work or if you just dont understand what it means for something to "exist"
EXACTLY. Everyone seems to be totally glossing over this and saying "Well, he got caught and nothing happened". Doesn't matter. He actually went through with it but solicited an undercover cop.
@TankTheTech Agreed 1000%, people never judge people as harshly for bad things they were totally willing to do but it didn't work out that way. Just like drunk drivers basically cosigning for risking hurting people, just cause it doesn't happen doesn't mean they weren't willing to take the risk, and that's almost just as bad.
@@TankTheTechon the other hand, nobody asked what was the reason for it. Maybe, just maybe, his short sentence has to do with it. I don't find his ex wife that innocence tbh.
Do not sleep on The Powerless Rise. Anodyne Sea, Without Conclusion, Condemned and my personal favorite "Upside Down Kingdom" still slap. Felt like the end of an era for them.
@@trippybruh1592 oh definitely don't, those are also great as well! Those two just came out when I was in high school. So they hold a special nostalgic place in my heart/mind.
The "restructuring" part of Phil's statement makes no sense to me. He already said he's leaving, which just leaves Tim... So who's left to restructure everything? TIM. 😂 As I Lay Dying is the new Puddle of Mudd/Trapt/Cradle of Filth. The band will most likely go on (unless something REALLY crazy has happened behind the scenes), and he'll have no problem finding young gun dudes that want to get into touring who will put up with him just to say they were in As I Lay Dying and have it on the resume.
What’s wild to me is what Nik had pointed out and I wonder how Ken Susi eventually got involved? I’m not familiar on the fallout of Unearth but he was an integral part of that band and seems like a level headed guy. What brought him in the first place?
Wait is there something fishy about cradle of filth? I haven't heard any (serious) drama about them, aside from the band (or let's face it, Dani) replacing people on a whim and people leaving due to "creative differences". Aside from that, are they just a situational example of a similar operation or is there some drama i haven't heard of?
as i lay dying was always my fav band dude i cant believe this shit honestly lmao its so crazy. i just wanna go back to the 2000s and headbang whilst playing Through Struggle
It has to be super PR wording. People get litigious. I imagine people who hold grudges to the point of extreme reactions might be more litigious than others. And that assumes that any actions taken stop at legal ones. It's not like there isn't evidence of going just a bit beyond filing lawsuits.
New Band :D > As I Lay Dying post October 2024 X - Vocals: Howard Jones - X X - Phil Sgrosso - X X - Ken Susi - X X - Josh Gilbert - X X - Nick Pierce - X
He'll be broke by the time he does as the inmates are threatening to do him in unless he pays for 'protection'. Even if he gets out, this dude will be the biggest pariah regardless of where he goes as everyone knows who he is and will most likely encounter very stern warnings from any community he lands in that if he pisses the wrong way, his life will be void. Watkins is a dead man walking.
I grew up on the same street as Phil, 2 houses down from me. He taught me my first song on guitar Machine Head by Bush when I was 8 years old. He became such incredible person and guitar player. I support him fully even after the whole mess happened the first time. Always loved Unearth so I supported the latest come back. It does sadden me as I was rooting for a come back for the rest of the band. But whatever journey happens I hope to hear new music from everyone who parted ways. Maybe just maybe they all can get together and form something kind of like Wolvenwar. May the best of luck to the members who left. Can’t wait to hear and see what you all become.
Theres "nothing left" of the band anymore. Yall dont be quick to jump on tim "without conclusion". I'm sure tim will release an official statement within the next "94 hours".
Hearing "Forever" on the Headbangers Ball CD back in 2003 changed my life. Never would I have thought it would end this way. You may say it's not over. But its over.
Tim did something sketchy and now the band is being sued; there’s something litigious going on behind the scenes. It would explain the relatively safe PR statements from everyone and why Tim hasn’t addressed anything. That only happens under the guidance of legal counsel.
Dude, I grew up in the early 2000s in Calsbad CA, and they were huge here. I even knew the original guitarist Jasun before he passed away recently. Dude said Tim was always a psycho.
@JorgeMP53 Yeah, Jasun passed a few months ago unfortunately. I knew him a bit but I have some friends who were really good friends with him. Huge bummer.
Hopefully Tim gets the help he needs. Mental illness is not fun and if left untreated or mixed with substances, it can be dangerous. Good on the other band members for realizing this and getting out with their livelihoods intact
Distance creatively and personally. But maybe not professionally? Never explicitly mentioned leaving the band. That's why he can be part of "adjustments and restructuring" and still refer to the catalog as "our music". Maybe he has equity and can effectively keep AILD in limbo by refusing to cooperate with Tim.
One of my best friends is friends with Tim. They became friends at a gym they were working out at. Anyways, I texted and asked if he’d heard anything from Tim about it and he said he hasn’t heard a word and Tim usually texts him all the time. So he’s being super tight lipped right now.
Hilarious how fast the band went from As I Lay Dying to As We Are Quitting. Great job Tim. Who knows maybe wovenwar will come back. I actually liked that group.
I remember seeing them back in 2006 or 2007 with the original lineup and they were absolutely amazing. It sucks that all this is happening crap happens people change, and you just have to move on and people can say what they want. I would gladly go play bass any day of the week for as I lay dying.
I firmly believe the original lineup are as I lay dying, and should have been allowed to carry on with another singer using their old songs. Tim should have let them, but he has no grace or conscience as he’s shown. Screwing up the lives of everyone he meets. Josh has spiritbox now though so at least he’s doing good
I mean, sometimes the people who quit are just solid dudes who don't think everyone should know. I'm not the kind of guy to go around airing dirty laundry when I quit somewhere
It seems to me that Tim may have attacked someone in the band. Based off this statement from Phil. He says safe environment. There was some altercation
Idk about someone in the band, but yeah I reckon he assaulted someone. Maybe the band were expected to stand as witnesses claiming he didn't, or even just say nothing and stand with him while knowing what he did, hence those tested morals.
aild opened a door for music i didnt know that could exist, changed my musicallity but i am in this group of die-hard fans who started giving up hope when original members left the band. now, "there's nothing left"
I'm sure no one will say exactly what happened, but everything around Tim (even post-prison) seems to scream "where there's smoke..." Tim must be an unhinged crazy person or something, even beyond, y'know....
He will find new members. They won’t be from bands that we know well but someone is looking for their chance to play. It may only be one tour before they find out why everyone left but they’ll get their name out there
Got so bad no one provides details? Worst than murder for hire? If the drama does come out, it’s easier to separate the artist(s) from the music. This feels like someone at my lunch in the break room refrigerator drama! Riddler, bread crumbs. Gives us details so I can move on with my life. Wheels and Legman on the case!
people underestimate the power of joining a band with a legacy like as i lay dying. people will join because it's a big name and realistically people will keep listening to them. Though metal is one of the few scene where everyone is really informed about the music scene. but for people in smaller bands, that temptation of being involved with that name, is worth it.
Shaped by fire saved my life when i was at my lowest I’ve ever felt in my life. Ironically started working out like crazy to save my sanity and would play this album on repeat every day. So many health issues and mental stress, depression, was over come because of this album. That’s why all of this bums me out. It was like i was going on this redemption run with Tim and to see him basically revert to his old habits breaks my heart. I know nothing is confirmed but it just feels like that’s what’s going on.
@@fire3005 i found the singles to be very mid at best, even burden which is the best one has very cringe lyrics imo, not very optimistic about the new album
Tim went from As I Lay Dying, to As I Wish My Wife Lay Dying, to As My Band Lays Dying (x2).
Pretty solid comment lol
Wow something funny and seems original
Amazing!
😂
"As They Keep Leaving"
Yeah, checks out.
Ya hire a hitman ONE TIME and suddenly everyone around you thinks YOU'RE the bad guy!? Crazy how that works.
Fuck, you made laugh hard
LiFe Is CrAzY
Lololololol
Shit happens man. One day your drinking coffee and enjoying Baldur's Gates 3 and the next your brainstorming on how to murder your wife...
Like I bet his wife was hell of a creature so it's understandable 😂
As Tim Lay Dying
Lol
Wow! SO original….
😂😂😂
Perfect
LMAOO comment of the year here folks
Tim: "We're all trying to find the guy who did this"
God damnit I just watched 7:50 😂😂😂
😂😂😂 thanks for this
Hahahahaha
"You know the craziest thing, it could be any one of us in this room right now" "No, it couldn't"
I dont why its so obvious yet keep thinking nah, it must be something else lol
As I quit dying
Don't they keep dying though? Lol
You can’t keep dying once you’ve already have passed. @@derpsincorporated6539
As I Lay Dead
😂😂😂
As I lay laughing
Somewhere Varg is getting his resume ready.
😂😂😂😂
Didn't he say metal was tainted or some nonsense and then went on to make elf music?
@ look for the new single by As Euronymous Lays Dying lol.
@bostons_departed3631 bahahahaha!
Based & Chadpilled
As I Lay wondering wtf the dude did this time
Lol new opportunity to make a band called As I Stand Living lol
it already exists but it's called wovenwar
@@toomanyblocks8448yeah but as I stand living would probably hurt Tim a bit more LOL
@@toomanyblocks8448then the band As I Stand Living doesn't exist if the band called themselves wovenwar. I'm not sure you understand how words work or if you just dont understand what it means for something to "exist"
I like it and Tim’s ex wife would too
@@blake3120 that's what I was going for LOL
My cat told me that Tim has violent outbursts. My cat is never wrong.
I believe in your cat 🐈
My kitten wants to eat my face & fit in my mouth rn. He knows Tim tried to fight the band members
As I Add Alcohol 😂 would not surprise me
I believe it
I’ve been thinking this for a while, I’m happy to to get solid confirmation.
Can anyone else imagine how much darker & bigger of a rabbit hole we’d be seeing if Tim was never caught trying to kill his wife?
wild to think about
I bet Tim had an argument or argumentS with them and probably threatened to kill them (or have them killed) if they wont do as he tells them.
EXACTLY. Everyone seems to be totally glossing over this and saying "Well, he got caught and nothing happened". Doesn't matter. He actually went through with it but solicited an undercover cop.
@TankTheTech Agreed 1000%, people never judge people as harshly for bad things they were totally willing to do but it didn't work out that way. Just like drunk drivers basically cosigning for risking hurting people, just cause it doesn't happen doesn't mean they weren't willing to take the risk, and that's almost just as bad.
@@TankTheTechon the other hand, nobody asked what was the reason for it. Maybe, just maybe, his short sentence has to do with it. I don't find his ex wife that innocence tbh.
I didn't know Tim was such a fan of Godsmack for standing alone like this
As I Try Hiring
This is my favorite pun so far.
Hey all, wanted to announce that I will be joining As I Lay Dying. I’m super excited for the opportunity!
I regret to inform you all that I will be leaving As I Lay Dying
@@caneshredsIn related news, I would also like to announce that I too have joined and left As I Lay Dying.
I'm Dead 😂😂😊
@@pritzmichael ayo we found who the band is named after
F
I really feel bad for Phil. He IS As I Lay Dying. Tried to give a friend multiple chances and got burned.
Too bad.
@pl_vitor it is too bad
Phil also sexually assaults girls
It’s insane that one of the OG metalcore bands that produced endless bangers has become a meme .
Somehow not even surprising lol
Tim doesn't need to hire a hitman to kill his band 😂
Ooooooo
underrated comment xd
Goated
@@bhcamaro2002 *whistle* "That's a technical on the camaro" 🤣
@@geekymetalhead5112 🤣👍
Shadows are Security and An Ocean Between Us will always be the shit. Sad to see it come to this in the end.
Do not sleep on The Powerless Rise. Anodyne Sea, Without Conclusion, Condemned and my personal favorite "Upside Down Kingdom" still slap. Felt like the end of an era for them.
@@trippybruh1592every album is excellent
@@trippybruh1592Spit! That album was my shit in Highschool.
@@trippybruh1592 oh definitely don't, those are also great as well! Those two just came out when I was in high school. So they hold a special nostalgic place in my heart/mind.
You skipped the best one in their discography. Frail Words Collapse!
TIM WHAT DID YOU DOOOO????
He probably puts more steroids in his ass than air in lungs so now he is one huge walking anger issue.
I really hope Tim talks about what happened, I want him to be honest and say he fucked up big time again
It’s gotta be some pedo stuff
What do you think? The dude is obviously mentally fked.
In comments under other videos I've read some rumors, which if true, then some wild shit must've gone down
The "restructuring" part of Phil's statement makes no sense to me. He already said he's leaving, which just leaves Tim... So who's left to restructure everything? TIM. 😂 As I Lay Dying is the new Puddle of Mudd/Trapt/Cradle of Filth. The band will most likely go on (unless something REALLY crazy has happened behind the scenes), and he'll have no problem finding young gun dudes that want to get into touring who will put up with him just to say they were in As I Lay Dying and have it on the resume.
What’s wild to me is what Nik had pointed out and I wonder how Ken Susi eventually got involved? I’m not familiar on the fallout of Unearth but he was an integral part of that band and seems like a level headed guy. What brought him in the first place?
Wait is there something fishy about cradle of filth? I haven't heard any (serious) drama about them, aside from the band (or let's face it, Dani) replacing people on a whim and people leaving due to "creative differences". Aside from that, are they just a situational example of a similar operation or is there some drama i haven't heard of?
@@COBfan1996 they've released new music also! (as has trapt).
@@TankTheTech add Ill NIÑO to that. So much band turnover. Heard the drummer is hard to work with. Sad because he a legit Latin groove master
wait why cradle of filth?
as i lay dying was always my fav band dude i cant believe this shit honestly lmao its so crazy. i just wanna go back to the 2000s and headbang whilst playing Through Struggle
Nik went from a guitar cover TH-camr to a reaction TH-camr to a drama TH-camr. Amazing
Did Tim admitted em he’s been to a Diddy party or smth? Fkin hell, a lot of their songs are among my all time favorites 🥲
If there's any doubt about AILD's ability to find new members, just look at the revolving door that is FIR's member list
It has to be super PR wording. People get litigious. I imagine people who hold grudges to the point of extreme reactions might be more litigious than others. And that assumes that any actions taken stop at legal ones. It's not like there isn't evidence of going just a bit beyond filing lawsuits.
New Band :D > As I Lay Dying post October 2024
X - Vocals: Howard Jones - X
X - Phil Sgrosso - X
X - Ken Susi - X
X - Josh Gilbert - X
X - Nick Pierce - X
MAN. If Howard joined, I'd be a diehard fan. Love his vocals lol
As I Keep Crying
Friendly reminder that Ian Watkins could be out as early as 2031, and still gets fan letters in prison.
💀
💀
He'll be broke by the time he does as the inmates are threatening to do him in unless he pays for 'protection'.
Even if he gets out, this dude will be the biggest pariah regardless of where he goes as everyone knows who he is and will most likely encounter very stern warnings from any community he lands in that if he pisses the wrong way, his life will be void.
Watkins is a dead man walking.
@@MooseMoosely that dude should have gotten a shank in his prison wallet
Sex offenders in the US must have their direction in the internet at all times (I think) and you guys have plenty of guns. You know what to do
the original members leaving the second time did it for me. If Nick Hipa says its the same old bullshit I'm gonna believe him.
Yep. Watching Tim's BS just break Nick was enough for me to write off AILD for good. Everybody go listen to MIRE.
Phil, Ryan, Ken and Nick should start a band called “As I Stand Living”
As as I lay dying lay dying.
I grew up on the same street as Phil, 2 houses down from me. He taught me my first song on guitar Machine Head by Bush when I was 8 years old. He became such incredible person and guitar player. I support him fully even after the whole mess happened the first time. Always loved Unearth so I supported the latest come back. It does sadden me as I was rooting for a come back for the rest of the band. But whatever journey happens I hope to hear new music from everyone who parted ways. Maybe just maybe they all can get together and form something kind of like Wolvenwar. May the best of luck to the members who left. Can’t wait to hear and see what you all become.
Theres "nothing left" of the band anymore. Yall dont be quick to jump on tim "without conclusion". I'm sure tim will release an official statement within the next "94 hours".
Im sure Tim's saying "I never wanted" right about meow
If I could say something to AILD is that there is an ocean between us
This is Tim's darkest nights and forever it will be a diff band now
Even "through struggle" these guys will eventually find new light. But Tim must be going through the "darkest nights"
I wonder if Tim will be "Confined" behind bars again.
Lost it at "oopsies oopsies wife not a vibe" hahahahahaha
If Phil isn't in the band and they get new members it's not gonna be the same as he wrote the godlike guitar riffs
“As I lay by myself” 😂
Hearing "Forever" on the Headbangers Ball CD back in 2003 changed my life. Never would I have thought it would end this way. You may say it's not over. But its over.
Tim did something sketchy and now the band is being sued; there’s something litigious going on behind the scenes. It would explain the relatively safe PR statements from everyone and why Tim hasn’t addressed anything. That only happens under the guidance of legal counsel.
As I trying to word my sentence to avoid NDA breach 🤣
What did Tim do this time, sweet jesus
I guess the court will let us know soon.
@@Martin2k17is Tim on probation still
voted for Trump?
Dude, I grew up in the early 2000s in Calsbad CA, and they were huge here. I even knew the original guitarist Jasun before he passed away recently. Dude said Tim was always a psycho.
WHAT!? THE OG GUITARIST PASSED? 😮😮
@JorgeMP53 Yeah, Jasun passed a few months ago unfortunately. I knew him a bit but I have some friends who were really good friends with him. Huge bummer.
Hopefully Tim gets the help he needs. Mental illness is not fun and if left untreated or mixed with substances, it can be dangerous. Good on the other band members for realizing this and getting out with their livelihoods intact
buddy, hiring someone to kill your wife is not result of mental ilness, that's premeditated attempted murder.
2:28 Nik must've skipped the part where Phil said he was leaving AILD 🤣
Distance creatively and personally. But maybe not professionally? Never explicitly mentioned leaving the band.
That's why he can be part of "adjustments and restructuring" and still refer to the catalog as "our music".
Maybe he has equity and can effectively keep AILD in limbo by refusing to cooperate with Tim.
Frail words collapse and shadows are security were peak music not just metal core but peak music
The Faceless knows how to do this too. Different reasons for people leaving but if Keene can keep that beast churning, I'm sure Lambsis can.
It's wild to me that the most replaceable member of the band is also the alleged owner of the band.
I don’t like my ex-wife either… But we got a divorce. I didn’t try to hire someone to kill her. lol
Puss
she tried to take their kids away from him for good so he snapped and tried to hire a hit man on the dark web.
@@SharpShootr92 basic roid logic. however, having read that - none of this is a surprise. not a single word of it.
@intergalacticspacecanoe4659 not defending his actions but anyone who has nothing left to live for can become dangerous
@@SharpShootr92his reaction clearly demonstrates she had good cause. And if adults don’t feel like being around him is safe or healthy then…
One of my best friends is friends with Tim. They became friends at a gym they were working out at. Anyways, I texted and asked if he’d heard anything from Tim about it and he said he hasn’t heard a word and Tim usually texts him all the time. So he’s being super tight lipped right now.
OOOOOO
Update us, senpai :)
Juuuuiicy
Is your friend by any chance an undercover police officer
@@brendangibson8200🤣 We wouldn’t be friends if he was. So no.
As I Lay Dying quits As I Lay Dying
Bro if Wovenwar made a comeback I might actually jump for joy.
I never thought I would see the day when members of metal bands would have to post HR letters about leaving a band.
6:10 so true. When someone tells me Metalcore my mind immediately jumps to August Burns Red, As I Lay Dying and Unearth
As I Stay Buttering My Popcorn
Hilarious how fast the band went from As I Lay Dying to As We Are Quitting. Great job Tim. Who knows maybe wovenwar will come back. I actually liked that group.
True, I fkng love the self titled album even without any screams
Miss May I kicks ass!
Officially renamed As I Lay Dead
holy shit i've listened to AILD for 18 years. RIP.
3:50 exactly! TY!
As Tim's Reputation Lays Dying
As I Lay Roid Raging
Feat Tim on Vocals, weights & cowbell!
Tim:i wonder who is the guy who making everyone leave the band bro
me: uh-huh *I WONDER WHO COULD DO SUCH A THING*
4:12 - Sounds like The Faceless
The members build an Ocean Between him
Tim should change the band name to All That Remains now
As I Lay Retiring
I remember seeing them back in 2006 or 2007 with the original lineup and they were absolutely amazing. It sucks that all this is happening crap happens people change, and you just have to move on and people can say what they want. I would gladly go play bass any day of the week for as I lay dying.
As i refused to dying
Wikipedia wasted no time in adding these guys to the "Past Members"
Tim is the only member listed LMAO
An Ocean Between Us literally got me into the genre. Shaped by Fire got me through a really rough mental period. FFS, man.
Great fucking album
As This Was My Life - Tim Lambesis singing Megadeth, probably
these next songs are gonna be about straight up killing mofos. tim is a psychopath.
Theyre gonna be the Six Feet Under of metalcore
as i lay on the phone with agent 47
I firmly believe the original lineup are as I lay dying, and should have been allowed to carry on with another singer using their old songs. Tim should have let them, but he has no grace or conscience as he’s shown. Screwing up the lives of everyone he meets. Josh has spiritbox now though so at least he’s doing good
New Austrian Death Machine album incoming.
Pyrithion
I mean, sometimes the people who quit are just solid dudes who don't think everyone should know. I'm not the kind of guy to go around airing dirty laundry when I quit somewhere
In that case, you'd think they'd just quit quietly instead of talking about moral reasons and unsafe environments.
@perlundgren7797 Good point. They're definitely sending a message, but don't want the details public.
As I lay quiting
This is like Attack Attack and Scary Kids Scaring Kids without the crazy controversy
so are we not gonna get the Behelit reaction???
Real
It's a boring song unfortunately cause I love stp
@@beanzz801 lol its not
@alexr6913 We all have our own tastes in music. To me it's just plain is all. I love their older stuff more.
@@beanzz801ok normie
guys the playlist has hit the perfect number the universe has found balance
We didnt even know ken had morals til this shit 😂 so you know some WILD FUCKIN SHIT was goin on.
It seems to me that Tim may have attacked someone in the band. Based off this statement from Phil. He says safe environment. There was some altercation
Definitely threatened violence, at the very least.
If that’s the case there would be a police report most likely
Idk about someone in the band, but yeah I reckon he assaulted someone. Maybe the band were expected to stand as witnesses claiming he didn't, or even just say nothing and stand with him while knowing what he did, hence those tested morals.
Nah I don't believe Tim would attack his band mates. He would hire someone else to do it instead.
aild opened a door for music i didnt know that could exist, changed my musicallity but i am in this group of die-hard fans who started giving up hope when original members left the band. now, "there's nothing left"
Roid Rage is real
With everything going on It’s just wild how good the last 2 albums are.
Tim hanging out with PDiddy?
Fuck I was gonna make a comment out Diddy too ahhaha
He sold him the oil 😮
Wovenwar is back on the menu boys.
1 minute ago is crazy
Confined will still always be my warm-up song.
10 minutes or less gang! Also, this shit is wild!
Those NDA's must be strong! LOL
Like Tank said, we now have a Metalcore Puddle of Mud.
I'm sure no one will say exactly what happened, but everything around Tim (even post-prison) seems to scream "where there's smoke..." Tim must be an unhinged crazy person or something, even beyond, y'know....
As I Lay Disappointed. Then why the fuck they even came back? We never gonna get new album then
He will find new members. They won’t be from bands that we know well but someone is looking for their chance to play. It may only be one tour before they find out why everyone left but they’ll get their name out there
Got so bad no one provides details? Worst than murder for hire? If the drama does come out, it’s easier to separate the artist(s) from the music. This feels like someone at my lunch in the break room refrigerator drama! Riddler, bread crumbs. Gives us details so I can move on with my life. Wheels and Legman on the case!
If they mention something specific, Tim could sue them for defamation. Either they aren't confident they'd win or they just don't want to bother
But if it turns our too be true, it’s not defamation. @@toomanyblocks8448
people underestimate the power of joining a band with a legacy like as i lay dying. people will join because it's a big name and realistically people will keep listening to them. Though metal is one of the few scene where everyone is really informed about the music scene.
but for people in smaller bands, that temptation of being involved with that name, is worth it.
PLEEEEEAAAASSEEEEE WOVENWAR COMEBACK
@@randominternetbro6562 or are least another oh sleeper album!
Shaped by fire saved my life when i was at my lowest I’ve ever felt in my life. Ironically started working out like crazy to save my sanity and would play this album on repeat every day. So many health issues and mental stress, depression, was over come because of this album. That’s why all of this bums me out. It was like i was going on this redemption run with Tim and to see him basically revert to his old habits breaks my heart. I know nothing is confirmed but it just feels like that’s what’s going on.
Your work you put into this really shows!
I'd join the band. I know every song from "Shadows are Security", and I like taking risks!
They dead now
They have a new album coming out in a couple weeks so they're not completely dead
@@fire3005 i found the singles to be very mid at best, even burden which is the best one has very cringe lyrics imo, not very optimistic about the new album