WHAT THE HECK IS THE CAR FARM? ALL DODGE 2.2L & 2.5L TURBO COMBOS IN 1 PLACE! T1, T2, T3, T4 & MAZ
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- WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE T1 AND T2 2.2L AND 2.5L TURBO DODGE MOTORS? HOW IS A SHELBY GLHS DIFFERENT THAN A STANDARD GLH? WHY IS THE DODGE DAYTONA T2 BETTER THAN THE SHELBY T2? HOW MANY DIFFERENT T1 CONFIGURATIONS DID DODGE MAKE? HOW COOL IS A GLHS AND DOES IT REALLY GO LIKE HECK? TAKE A WALK AROUND THE AMAZING CAR FARM WITH BEN, BRIAN AND I AS I LEARN EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT DODGE TURBO MOTORS AND CARS! SO MANY TURBO DODGES HERE!
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Richard love your enthusiasm!
soo mega interesting!!! knew 0 about these little mopars. love this kind of content!!!!!!!............
Wow! I did not know people still cared about these cars! That’s awesome! I had a friend back in cali that built several T2/T3’s and even the Maserati engine for several drag engines. Brings back many good memories.
Neat road trip dood!
I love seeing these awesome turbo dodges get attention. I have 3 in my driveway.
I spent many years working on these cars and owned my handful of them. Great little car with tons of potential. Thanks for doing these videos.
I have an 86 Dodge Shelby Charger T1. Looking forward to your series on this.
I always liked them black GLH Omni's!
I’ve been to Brian’s farm. Really cool
car farm rules
The Lotus (T3) head had horrible valve lash adjusters and cracking in the valley were the cast plugs were installed.
I had a purple turbo convertible Chrysler labaron...fun car indeed.
Hi my name is Aaron I am 18, and from Indiana, but I personally own a 1987 dodge Daytona shelby Z with the 2.2 that I'm rebuilding the engine on and man is it hard to find parts, but this video is really great, because it helped me learn and understand more about my car
Great history
Let’s talk about transmission
What kind of fertilizer do they use to grow those cars? I have several seeds planted on my farm but they aren’t multiplying.
Man I remember these, I go back to the Jeep eagle CDP days. I spent a long time with that company had my share of G and L body turbo cars.
14 years ago when I turned 16 a 1985 Chrysler laser 2.2L turbo 5speed was a my first car red with the black cloth interior had the digital dash and I have had a lot of cool cars since then but I regret letting that one go the most I have been hunting for a replacement for the last few years!!
I didn't read through all the comments, so maybe this was mentioned. I owned at one time or another every one of the turbo Mopar engines save the Maserati head.
I was good friends with Ed Peters. I got out of SDs and he got into the Neons and we lost touch. He and another source both told me that the 224 hp for the T3 was conservative and that they had run a dyno test where a stock T3 was putting down 240hp at the wheels. The T3 timing belt issue was due to the springs used on the Lotus head. I recall the resolution to that, which Mopar never implemented, was to use lower rate springs. I believe that Tim Pettijohn used to offer spring sets. Sold my Spirit RT to Neil Emiro.
As for the T4 coking issues, Chrysler had a fix, it was not an expensive fix, and never did it. I did not hear mention of the T4 Shadows or Daytonas. Not many of either were produced and are likely rarer than the LeBaron T4 cars.
I had a lot of fun with these cars and met a lot of good people.
I love this gen of mopars.
I am SO happy they had Maserati stuff to show! It's so rare (501 produced) that hardly anyone has it. So, if you look at that head it has "COSCAST" on it because it was cast by Cosworth (designed by Maserati). That head will outflow the Lotus head, but the cams are TINY. Interesting bit about the cams, they are interchangeable intake to exhaust. The ENTIRE bottom end of that engine is forged. They didn't show it, but the rods are by CASAR. The compression ratio is 7.3:1. Turbo is an IHI RB52. Engine was rated at 200hp/220tq (more torque than the T3). That transmission is a Getrag 284. Supposedly it was originally designed for the mid-engine Corvette back in the 80's but we all know how that went. It was used in the TC and a handful of GM cars. Funny thing is, you can NOT get service parts for it. Getrag doesn't even acknowledge they built the thing! Anyways, if you want to experience one that runs, LMK. You are not far from me at the moment and you have to come back through my way to get home.
YOU NEED TO COME BY
Is the Maserati variant technically a hemi because of the spherical heads?
My dad had a lebaron GTS. Fun little car at the time.
I miss it.
Ah yes brings back memories of when I started at the dealer back in 92, these things were fun to drive and they put them in everything
Never heard of these cars!
Back in the early 00s I bought my first turbo car, a 1990 Dodge Spirit turbo. It was a 2.5 T1 with the TE04H, no intercooler, and an auto trans for $500 from the dealership that I worked for. It was parked in what we called "Cash Row". A bunch of cars that didn't run. I put a new timing belt on it, my uncle told me, "you'll NEVER get that thing running," and an hour later it fired up and ran perfectly. Shortly after I had to replace the transmission. I got a tranny for $50 and paid my buddy a case of beer to replace it for me. That was before I really started working on cars. It had 160k miles on it and it spun a bearing while I was going around a turn under boost. It had the computer in the center console and no heat in the winter which was fun. I had already seen the Donovan turbo van footage and instructions of how to modify the Dodge turbo cars, but I hadn't gotten the chance to do anything to it yet when it blew.
In 1994 I got a 1989 Dodge Lancer ES Turbo with the T1 2.5l (same as yours) and an auto. Mopar Performance computer, Eibach springs, and Koni struts made it much better. It was a clean car with only 67,000 miles, but faded roof pain. A great 1st car that I cleaned and detailed so much. Rear tint too.
Love my LOG!
My first car was a T1 2.5 Daytona
You had me worried that you were playing corn hole back in the corn field.
Richard, just a little trivia for you....ONLY 132 of those '90 Lebaron GTC VNT Convertibles were made and even more rare were 123 Lebaron GTC coupes for the same year. So a grand total of 255 Lebaron GTC cars for 1990. All 5 speeds aka A568 transmission. These Turbo Dodges are so cool...I'm biased...grew up racing and driving them!
Oh and I came back to add, Thank you for allowing me to discover The Car Farm !
Great video. It's nice to hear the correct info. As for the Lebaron's having a TII engine, It was said the GTS did. I don't know much about the GTS's. but the Lebaron GTS that had that engine would only be a 5 speed '89. And very limited. I couldn't hear what was said about the 2dr Lebaron's because someone was talking over someone else. The '89 GTC's were available with the TII. These were all a555 transmission 5 speeds (like the Daytona Shelby's) There were 906 convertibles and 1033 coupes made with the TII option. Probably my favorite car that I own ('89 GTC convert) and I own two '87 GLHS Shelby's.
Got a 91 t2 shadow rotten away in my back yard.lol funnest and fastest car I've owned to date.
TIII is '91 to '93 model years. '91 and '92 in Spirit RT, and '92 and '93 in Daytona IROC RT. They're in a shed because if you drive them they'll break. :P
But what will break FIRST? The timing belt, the intermediate shaft gear, a lifter, a roller on a rocker, or a cam lobe?
😆The bypass valve.🤣
Richard I'd love to send you my TIII out of my 91 spirit R/T to put on the dyno and tune to see how much you can get out of it. Complete ground up build. Custom forgede pistons from JE to get 9:5.1. Longer forged crower rods, custom oil pan. Balance shafs removed. Head completely rebuild but forward motion. Running on E85 with meth injection custom turbo header with a BorgWarner EFR 8474 black series Compressor Wheel OD (exducer): 84mmCompressor Wheel Inducer: 68mmMax Flow Rate: 95 lb/min. Haltech engine management system no expense spared. Should be completed around February or March depending on parts suppliers.
8474?
@@richardholdener1727 here's the run down on the turbo from borgwarners matchbot. Most usable curve I could find for my setup. Hope it loads what I inputted
www.borgwarner.com/matchbot/#version=1.4&displacement=2.2&CID=134.24400000000003&altitude=600&baro=14.461&aat=80&fueltype=3&turboconfig=1&compressor=e84x80&pt1_rpm=2500&pt1_ve=88&pt1_boost=5&pt1_ie=99&pt1_filres=0.08&pt1_ipd=0.2&pt1_mbp=0.5&pt1_ce=66&pt1_te=75&pt1_egt=1450&pt1_ter=1.21&pt1_pw=10.97&pt1_bsfc=0.62&pt1_afr=9&pt1_wts=300&pt1_wd=83&pt1_wd2=74&pt1_wrsin=69033&pt2_rpm=3500&pt2_ve=95&pt2_boost=10&pt2_ie=95&pt2_filres=0.1&pt2_ipd=0.2&pt2_mbp=1&pt2_ce=70&pt2_te=73&pt2_egt=1550&pt2_ter=1.38&pt2_pw=12.41&pt2_bsfc=0.65&pt2_afr=8.5&pt2_wts=320&pt2_wd=83&pt2_wd2=74&pt2_wrsin=73635&pt3_rpm=4500&pt3_ve=100&pt3_boost=15&pt3_ie=95&pt3_filres=0.12&pt3_ipd=0.3&pt3_mbp=1.3&pt3_ce=74&pt3_te=72&pt3_egt=1650&pt3_ter=1.61&pt3_pw=23.92&pt3_bsfc=0.69&pt3_afr=8&pt3_wts=340&pt3_wd=83&pt3_wd2=74&pt3_wrsin=78238&pt4_rpm=5500&pt4_ve=102&pt4_boost=20&pt4_ie=92&pt4_filres=0.15&pt4_ipd=0.4&pt4_mbp=1.5&pt4_ce=76&pt4_te=71&pt4_egt=1650&pt4_ter=1.81&pt4_pw=23.61&pt4_bsfc=0.72&pt4_afr=8&pt4_wts=368&pt4_wd=83&pt4_wd2=74&pt4_wrsin=84681&pt5_rpm=6500&pt5_ve=105&pt5_boost=25&pt5_ie=90&pt5_filres=0.18&pt5_ipd=0.5&pt5_mbp=1.8&pt5_ce=72&pt5_te=70&pt5_egt=1650&pt5_ter=1.98&pt5_pw=15.27&pt5_bsfc=0.75&pt5_afr=8&pt5_wts=400&pt5_wd=83&pt5_wd2=74&pt5_wrsin=92044&pt6_rpm=7500&pt6_ve=110&pt6_boost=32&pt6_ie=90&pt6_filres=0.2&pt6_ipd=0.6&pt6_mbp=2&pt6_ce=66&pt6_te=70&pt6_egt=1650&pt6_ter=2.18&pt6_pw=4.56&pt6_bsfc=0.79&pt6_afr=8&pt6_wts=400&pt6_wd=83&pt6_wd2=74&pt6_wrsin=92044&
And some more on it.
www.full-race.com/borgwarner-efr-8474-turbo?gclid=CjwKCAjw2OiaBhBSEiwAh2ZSP5Txl9m9m__cfj29L1pNRr_7IUCvbOr22o6HQqGriA6PZ3Bnw8jdmhoCLecQAvD_BwE
still have my 85 glh Turbo 300whp along with with my 98 civic AWD b18 turbo 400whp c8 corvette full N/A build my GLH got me to where iam today
Richard, how can I contact the Car Farm? Thanks.
So that's where they all went
I once had a '84 turbo 600 coupe. If I remember correctly, the 84 had smaller head bolts, and 85's went next size bigger? 10mm vs 11mm I think?
YES
Uh oh, you'd better watch out for that Richard, he's become one of the children of the corn!
Corvette Servo means it'll break like a Corvette.
The T- Ominator™️®️ichard Holdener 🧑🔧
The first thing to do on these if you get the early ones is to drill out the 10mm head bolt threads and retap to 11mm. Have to drill the bolt holes in the head too.
Even the much better ARP 11mm head studs were a "Use it once" torque to yield.
Bottom tap the block threads too and radius the tops to eliminate stress cracks at higher torque.
no excuse to boost the truck now with new trsns
TV is is a TIII with a variable nozzle turbo on it. LOL
Chrysler VNT cars(non-CSX) had a cleaning cycle that would run every time you start the car to help clean the nozzle vanes.
I had the 84 Daytona Turbo Z. My wife's 82 200sx could hang right beside me when we raced. LOL This was late 80's. Big fun. 👍💪
Love the turbo dodge/Shelby content. Keep it coming!
Hmm I know where one 9f those Maserati LeBaron is.....
Silverado transmission with neutral in every position
And now a moment of silence for Richard's transmission
If you build it, they will come
I want to live in a tent on the car farm
Heh. Owned an 85 Slelby Charger. Pulled a super 60 t2 from a wrecked Omni and that car embarrassed a lot of v8s
That guy , if he is still alive will join here .the dodge caravan turbo ,3 speed automatic from back in the day ,running 13's st new england dragway
The rotating mass is so heavy in the Masi 2.2 that you don't have to give the car any gas to get it moving with the clutch. Yes, it was important to them to make sure the engines were all non-interference. That was one of the smart things they did with the Trans4 platform.
53# of forged goodness! ;)
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I wish we could get together to hang out man. School is ridiculous this semester.
@@marklucas3140 School isn't on during the weekends, right? Give me a shout! We can make something happen!
Within 3 houses of me there are 4 Neon turbo SRTs. 3 at one house. And they all run. Why?????????
2:00 I literally said out loud, “Holy Sh*t” lol
These are great cars. It's awesome to see some guys that are passionate about them and saving them. I graduated H.S. in 1986 and I was planning on buying a new car. I was torn between the Sunbird Turbo and the Omni GLHS. I wanted a turbo sleeper. I was leaning towards the Omni because it was a little quicker and then I saw the new for '87 Formula Firebird with the newly available 350 TPI. I bought it instead. I'm still not sure if I made the right choice but you have to make them at certain points in your life!!!
I would definitely take an 87 formula 350 over this but I am a firebird guy.
Plus the 87 charger GLHS was not sold as a Dodge!
It was sold as a Shelby
Also, my sister had a black on black leather 1987 Daytona IROC with the bullet hole wheels and a 5 speed manual back when it was new. It was an intercooled T3 2.2 with a bigger turbo, more boost, and a remapped ECU.
Parece una habitación de mi casa❤
The best mod of all was going to 11mm headbolts. They should have gone even bigger.
ARP studs yielded to torq on first assy. Then they were junk, non-reusable.
*That's the weak point on those T cars.* Other than that, they are really very stout. Forged pistons would have been nice. I had mine built by Ross, and they are great. Adds a bit of confidence when you're up against a Grand National. 😉
Even copper head gaskets with 'O' rings would fail if you really got it on.
Anybody here familiar with Stu Davis?
Paul Rossi?
Tim Pettijohn?
They built it! And he came out of the corn field. To play with the turbo's
for real, definately a Field of Dreams!
@@watzonda2b for a car guy yet alone mopar guy.. I have a 92 Spirit RT, a 87 cs Daytona. And a 83 SCAMP. Same a Dodge Rampage. Thought of dropping the T3 SPIRIT RT in the bed. Rear wheel drive.. went thru 5 heads on the Spirit RT. The problem was the electric fan came on at 216 deg. Then if you get on it the cylinder were touching each other and they have a small hole to circulate coolant .. but it boils it there and eats the head gasket out. Then bad things happen they ran out if 2.2l blocks and they went back with the 2.5l . It ran better. I bought that car used 1 year old. And got the extended warranty. Lucky me. The thing was way too fast. And stock they ran 145mph. Stock.
@@donaldpowers3314 Yah if I had the funds and place to do it I have always dreamed of converting a GLH to rear wheel drive ala Renault 5 turbos and turbo 2's. I always dreamed of installing a T2 powerplant in a '70 Duster too. Lots of cool possibilities. Oh on the T3, I had a friend with a Daytona IROC RT would easily do 150mph! My '90 VNT Lebaron made 175 and 220 at the wheels with a mild tune...runs Great! Sounds like you Spirit R/T was a Blast!
@@watzonda2b i use to pick on mustangs back in 92-93 hit second gear. And by by. It pulled like cazy loved the Daytona IROC RT. google the Ultimate IROC. MOPAR Toured the nation thet twisted the Horsepower up to 305.. it topped out at 172mph. And the ZL1 VETT topped out at 175mph . The one of many bobos Chrysler made..
Trivia fact II: The VNT cars used a different intercooler from the Turbo II cars. I believe its the high flow "Super 60" unit that was sold as an upgrade through Direct Connection. A little less cooling efficiency for better flow.
WOW! Brings back memories!
completely random. i need a turbo one turbocharger for a project. help me Richard. draw through turbo duke fiero.......
you need to find one with a carbon seal for draw through use
@@richardholdener1727 turbo 1 is draw through, right? do they not have carbon seals?
Ive been a big fan of Dodge FWD Turbo cars since roughly 92. I have an 86 GHLS #329. The car in my opinion defines the fun driving experience. Also have an 04 SRT. I'm excited you're covering this on your channel.
Remember Mexican Turbo 2s were available with the 3 speed automatic transmission AND in 2.5 L configuration available in the SHADOW GTS, SPIRIT R/T and PHANTOM R/T base models! Super fun to drive time bombs
its like children of the corn ten yrs later
Lmao
Fun Fact: You can use the Turbo II exhaust manifold and Turbo on a T1, but in order to use a Turbo I Turbo and manifold on a Turbo II, you have to clearance the exhaust manifold to clear an intake manifold runner, and then change the compressor housing to the blow through set up. The Draw Through Turbo 1 2.2 cars and the Turbo 2 cars both used the same turbocharger, a Garrett T03, with the only difference being the wastegate and compressor housing used on the Turbo 2 cars. The blow-through Turbo 1 2.5 cars used a smaller Mitsubishi TD04 turbocharger instead, an easy upgrade is to bolt a Garrett on in its place.
They wrote an entire book for the dealerships on how to deal with the "discerning" TC by Maserati customer. Basically in less words it tells the sales and service teams to walk on eggshells because they are mostly huge brats. Who can blame them though? They had just paid $33k for a car in 1989!! So getting an engine into the customers car right away was top priority. The "discerning" customer will not accept service wait times longer than a couple of days. Make sure to provide them with a loaner car that is a top trim Lebaron personal luxury convertible!
Fun fact: the Maserati engine was originally coded the TIV, but the VNT at some point got reissued the designation.
Thanks for this!
If it has a Corvette servo in it, you know its gotta be a quality rebuild. 😁
My older brother had a horizon . Not sure what year but was almost identical to the Omni. He used to do neutral drops to get a good Smokey burnout. Those transmissions were indestructible
My first car was a 87 dodge Daytona turbo. It was abnormally fast. 15psi stock... had no clue what I had
My neighbor had an 80s turbo colt, friend had a Daytona turbo z, and a turbo omni. Grandfather had one of those 90 lebaron turbo model. They all stayed broke down for some reason.
Absolute Coolness! Great Post!
Mah Goodness, Richard, you look like you could feed a small dog outta those dishes in the tops of those pistons. Imagine the power potential of that engine with EFI and a big aftercooler! I think your main concern may be keeping those heads clamped down without tearing the top of the block off!
That Maserati/Lotus head idea looks like it's MADE to rev!
GLH!!! When I was kid,I seen these cars on the roads!
Those are cool front drive 4cyl cars
I love that the Turbo Dodge cars are getting some attention. I can't wait to see what Richard is going to produce!
T2 engine or the movie? Schwatzenegerrrrrr
How many "T"s when the engine says VW
NONE SAY VW
My first car was an 84 omni glh. 2.2
It didn't have a turbo.
Even still it ripped.
The handling made up for the lowish power.
That’s cool, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a VNT turbo in a gas application.
Yah a first in the Auto industry in 1989. In the '89 Shelby CSX and also in the '90 Dodge Shadow, Daytona and '90 Chrysler Lebaron.
Didn't the Lotus heads have cracking problem? My cousin had a Iroc Daytona that he had to have the head repaired.
Early ones did between the core plugs in the spark plug valley. They can be fixed and it doesn't hurt performance. 2 theories on why it happened. Steel plugs and too tight on the torque.
Kinda like the mustang ranch but different.
Rich you need to install a trucool 40k transmission cooler and bypass the radiator cooler
Radiator cooler is much more effective.
Quenching with water is far superior to air cooling, even if the water is hot.
Take a red hot spoon and waft it around in the air and see how that goes.
Then reheat the spoon and quench it in hot coffee and see what happens.
(I was an automatic trans tech for 35 years.)
Aftermarket trans coolers aren't really necessary.
You just don't want the fluid to boil, because then it oxydizes and turns to varnish.
A torque converter will get really HOT, 400° plus is not uncommon. But it's under pressure and can't boil.
The fluid then exits the TC and gets quenched to engine temp by the radiator cooler, and then it's returned to the trans and is used for lubrication.
I do NOT recommend using an air cooler all by itself.
If you feel you must add an air cooler, place it in the return line between the rad cooler and the trans. That will cool it lower than engine temp.
And use brass unions to make the connections, DO NOT USE RUBBER TUBING and hose clamps.
Just sayin' 😶
@@muimasmacho while i tend to agree with you, every auto i have run in the last 10 years has had a quality large standalone cooler. And all have operated well and stayed below operating temps they saw with the in radiator "cooler".
I guess having bad experiences with failed waterbath coolers leaking and taking out 3 perfectly working transmissions by filling them with antifreeze i just dont trust them any more.
Could an air only one leak? Sure, but it wont turn the atf to pink pudding and ruin the clutches.
@@AndyR1982
Wow. You really hit the jackpot.
I've maybe seen FIVE failed radiator coolers in my 35 yr career. And i worked at one of the busiest transmission shops in S. Calif. (on Whittier blvd., in Whittier.)
It certainly can happen, but it's very very rare.
You must be jinxt.
Anyway. Carry on. Makes no difference to me.
Sorry for interrupting.
Very interesting video. Impressed with the variable vain turbo . Wondering converting to propane or natural gas would cure buildup in turbo.with all the new technology with turbos those guys might be setting on a gold mine.
Modern oils would be of help also. Same tech as used by Borg Warner on their truck turbos
*Mobile - 1* oil prevents coking.
Also saves the pistons and rings by reducing pre-detonation.
Doesn't burn like petroleum oils do.
Great stuff.
@@muimasmacho yes that's true but most but of the sut is from emissions that goes through the emissions from gasses & dissel.with propane and natural gas this mostly burns clean. No sut to burn and clog solenoids operating variable veins.
Imagine going to the car farm and picking a fresh turbo right from a tree branch 😂 or maybe a fresh set of slicks from the “tire patch” 🤣
I'll be one of those who comment 😆
Joking aside, would love to get a look at that Lotus head.
In the mid/late 70' Lotus had a commercial tie up with Chrysler UK to produce a 2.2Ltr version of its 900 series engine the 907.
This was used in the Sunbeam Lotus which was very much like an Omny only rear wheel drive
The Omni / Lotus head is a different head from the Lotus 907/910 head, I think..
I read that the Omni head had a roller type cam follower rather than the older Lotus 907/910 series head which uses the usual shim and bucket tappet.
But I may be wrong..
@@2lotusman851 Suspect you are right, listening to that part of the vid a few times, sounds like what you said.
Thanks for the info🍻
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4l60E is the biggest pile of junk GM ever made
If they made a good transmission there wouldn't be as many LS swaps.
Personally I blame squirrels