There is a reason Kluger sells more than CX9 , like for me practicality is more important than a fancy screen and leather seats. Considering the Hybrid fuel economy, air vent for third row, and more storage space both in front and back Toyota is the winner for me. Reliable and affordable to maintain when it comes to service . Plus A Mazda CX-9 will depreciate 42% after 5 years . Toyota always has a good resell value
We've had our base model Hybrid AWD Kluger for a week now and love it. Hybrid was what we were after and Toyota is market leader. We're getting about 6L/100km so far - unreal for a car this size. Agree that the infotainment is disappointing, but honestly it's a minor gripe. And the storage options all around the car is terrific.
I will pick up mine on Thursday. I have ordered the same base hybrid AWD kluger. I was getting around 18 litres per 100 kms in my Subaru Tribeca in around town. Toyota’s capped price service at $250 per visit is also pretty good value
@@dixitapatel7790 The Kluger will feel like a small car with its petrol consumption! Yeh the good servicing/warranty also pushed me to get this. I feel we can run this car right into the ground. 😁
Personally, I think if 'Fun' was something to put a score on, 'Comfort' should have been there as well. The Mazda has firmer body control, but the trade off is having less ability to soak up bumps. The bias towards driving fun is pervasive in car reviews, but I would argue the ability to insulate occupants over speed bumps / rough road surfaces is more important for the average family oriented buyer.
The wood in the CX-9 is real actually. But I think it’s telling that this is Mazda’s oldest dash layout missing a lot of the significant quality improvements Mazda has included on later models (a lot of work was done to improve touch points like switch gear). Mazda also does a lot of research into driver ergonomics down to things such as psychological impact of touch and perception of things such as throttle response. I studies they found years ago that they needed no greater than a 300ms delay between accelerator depression and response before a driver would notice, and found at least back then, that CVT’s would introduce a delay that drivers would negatively notice - hence decided never to go down CVT route until they improved. Toyota on the other hand seems to prioritise storage over driver comfort. Choice of materials is far less of a concern too. Toyota should be benchmarking against cars like the Mazda and in the 6 year gap I don’t think Toyota leap frogged like it should have. Anyone who isn’t a driver will prefer the softness of the Toyota’s suspension though.
Yep. Despite it being more thirsty than the hybrid, the V6 is much quicker and makes that hybrid slowwwww plus the hybrid is much more expensive so it'll take a while to make it up in the long run.
I own the v6 kluger grande which costs 7K less than a hybrid, and more fun to drive. Iove the panoramic sunroof, third row air vents, and turn by turn navigation on the digital dashboard. V6 is powerful, 0-100km in 7.5s. i agree the 8” screen is small, but it is touchscreen. Cx9 no touchscreen. I can see from the rear view camera no problems.
I just don't like the fact that Toyota treats their Aus/Nz/UK markets with that small infotainment screen and no wireless charging. It make sense on the base models, but not when you pay almost $80K on the top model.
I think they do it on purpose so that in a year or two they can bring in a small change to attract more buyers. Right now, they are hybrid so they know they can win with less considering the fact there isn’t another large suv hybrid at this price range
Should have put the V6 Kluger up against the CX9 With the 8speed auto and less wieght than the hybrid , it is a vastly better drive . Probably my only point of agreement with you is the dissapointment with a small info screen. That said in practice the Kluger screen works fine .
Like the looks of the Kruger, like the hybrid economy, hate the interior, especially dashboard and infotainment. The Mazda would get my money, being quite big enough and great to drive with a wonderful interior.
The top spec cx-9 is a Azami LE not the Azami as shown. But i also don’t understand both cars hybrid or turbo such small gutless engines in 2 tonne cars, a car with such heft should have some guts to counteract the weight
Brilliant show guys, wish that we had your style out here in SA. We don't have either model here, Mazda wouldn't sell at that price range, the Toyota would sell like hot cakes though as this brand is dominant over here
I am looking to drive long distance, maybe around Australia. For this purpose, the Kluger is better because of the service distance and price, full sized spare tyre, spare parts availability and low fuel consumption.
@@777tillinfinity If you are interested, I have done significantly more research and while I personally have not gone ahead and have changed my plans, the best vehicle for my purposes ended up being the Hyundai Santa Fe. Specifically Hyundai (Not the Kia version) and specifically the lowest model in diesel. I did not like the higher grades.
@@trojanhman8136 interesting change! I do like Hyundai's also, Tuscon, even the Sante Fe... I don't need it, but also like the Hyundai Palisade, styling etc
@@777tillinfinity It was a long time ago but from memory the Kluger engine is an older design and the majority of the power doesn't come till later in the rev range. I didn't get to the stage of test driving and of course that is more important.
The Mazda is mandated to run on unleaded 91ron while the petrol motor in the hybrid Toyota is mandated for premium 95ron ... so the savings on fuel peg back a bit there.
Cx-9 is still appealing and competitive compared to the latest offering from its rivals. Really looking forward to the next gen that comes with rear wheel drive platform and six cylinder hybrid options
You have to mention in your writings what year model 2022 ????? Vital information. Even in late 2021 you can buy the 2022 model late in the year so have to mention
Fairly subjective. I like a soft comfy cruise ride and the reviewers wanted a sporty drive,so they gave it to the Mazda on points. I have owned 3 cars with a turbo and will never buy another, as I hate even the slightest hint of turbo lag.
You do realise Mazda turbo engines barely have any turbo lag as it has instant power and torque when you are over 2000 rpm, Source: drove and had one 2020 azami
Jeff, you're right - the boys did mention personal preference plays a role when it comes to the chassis tune. Although while the Mazda is sportier, it's still a comfy cruiser. Plus the Mazda is miles ahead when it comes to interior quality and its infotainment system. It also edges the Kluger for second/third row comfort.
@@mmcin719 well, the idle of this car is around 1300 or more once you touch the pedal, so it takes Les time to speed up, probably less then a second, and the lag is unnoticeable.
Had been looking into the 2017-2020 Toyota kluger for a family vehicle ,but when I'd discovered the same vehicle is sold in the states called the highlander and uses the same 8 speed auto transmission as the Australian Kluger I've decided not to, apparently there are shxxxxt load of laws suits in American to do with this transmission not working as intended and yes they are the same transmission on the Australian delivered Klugers
The CX9 for me, classy inside and out, great to drive for a large suv, that 2-5 turbo engine is great to drive. The Toyota is very messy in terms of style and the dash just looks great and nasty
Oh men you should consider wagons. These things have 550-580 liters of space. Even C-segment wagons in Europe have more luggage room. Mazda 6 wagon 580liters, VW passat 650 liter and Skoda superb even more !
Pity that Mazda Australia didn’t tell the Australian people how horrible the gearbox is. Nothing but issues and you can’t even service them since they are a sealed unit. Good luck replacing one, costs over 10k
I wonder where these boys are reviewing these cars.......... cause I can tell you in QLD....... nobody wants a Mazda and that third row without aircon vents.
Kluger wins. Fun category is crap, they had to 2 points clear to get ahead to win! What a farce! Compare the petrol kluger and the cx9 is done. Don't own either car but by looking at the totals at the end was a laugh...
Would seem to me that you have seriously left serious differences without the weighting they deserve. Not only does the Mazda have a significant fuel consumption disadvantage, it also must use premium fuel & when you factor the cost of premium & consumption, you get a serious disadvantage. No score allocated to such a significant difference. I love both cars, but your comparisons were shallow.
I am existing customers with Toyota since 15 years but now I am feel boring with Toyota because Toyota charge extra money then other company car but less features . You can see Toyota Prado design to old Mostly Modern generation don't like interior design they start buy others Brand like Mazda, Nissan, Kia, Hyundai, these company car have beautiful inter design and less price. You can see Toyota made new Kluger but front grille design rubbish this design same like 2016 model 😡😡 If Toyota want stay in the market then they need to think about this matter other wise definately they'll loose business 😩😩😩
Toyota has failed miserably with the lack of options as provided in the USA, especially for the price of the Grande AWD hybrid. To install a sub-class infotainment was simply stupid.
There is a reason Kluger sells more than CX9 , like for me practicality is more important than a fancy screen and leather seats. Considering the Hybrid fuel economy, air vent for third row, and more storage space both in front and back Toyota is the winner for me. Reliable and affordable to maintain when it comes to service . Plus A Mazda CX-9 will depreciate 42% after 5 years . Toyota always has a good resell value
Agree, Cx-9 engine is thirsty. They should put a diesel in there.. but that’s not even an option
Apart from the fuel efficiency, I don't really think the Kluger is worth it over the CX 9
We've had our base model Hybrid AWD Kluger for a week now and love it. Hybrid was what we were after and Toyota is market leader. We're getting about 6L/100km so far - unreal for a car this size. Agree that the infotainment is disappointing, but honestly it's a minor gripe. And the storage options all around the car is terrific.
Cx9 is just a far better car
I will pick up mine on Thursday. I have ordered the same base hybrid AWD kluger. I was getting around 18 litres per 100 kms in my Subaru Tribeca in around town. Toyota’s capped price service at $250 per visit is also pretty good value
@@milaman06 Maybe so but until they offer a hybrid version of the CX9 it's not on my radar unfortunately.
@@dixitapatel7790 The Kluger will feel like a small car with its petrol consumption! Yeh the good servicing/warranty also pushed me to get this. I feel we can run this car right into the ground. 😁
@@milaman06 but you're a nobody though!!! Who cares what you think.
Don't forget the child seats can be put in the last row, when grand parents are around for the CX-9!
Personally, I think if 'Fun' was something to put a score on, 'Comfort' should have been there as well. The Mazda has firmer body control, but the trade off is having less ability to soak up bumps. The bias towards driving fun is pervasive in car reviews, but I would argue the ability to insulate occupants over speed bumps / rough road surfaces is more important for the average family oriented buyer.
The wood in the CX-9 is real actually. But I think it’s telling that this is Mazda’s oldest dash layout missing a lot of the significant quality improvements Mazda has included on later models (a lot of work was done to improve touch points like switch gear).
Mazda also does a lot of research into driver ergonomics down to things such as psychological impact of touch and perception of things such as throttle response. I studies they found years ago that they needed no greater than a 300ms delay between accelerator depression and response before a driver would notice, and found at least back then, that CVT’s would introduce a delay that drivers would negatively notice - hence decided never to go down CVT route until they improved.
Toyota on the other hand seems to prioritise storage over driver comfort. Choice of materials is far less of a concern too.
Toyota should be benchmarking against cars like the Mazda and in the 6 year gap I don’t think Toyota leap frogged like it should have.
Anyone who isn’t a driver will prefer the softness of the Toyota’s suspension though.
Great sum up gents - CX9 is the family cross over I’d go for but expensive- if only need five seats the CX5 Turbo is a strong contender 👍
Well said, Malcolm.
Super thorough review. Can't believe Toyota thinks it can get away with that crappy screen and reverse camera in the Kluger.
It's because Toyota are mediocre generally in that regard... Unsurpising really.
Exactly. Surprising how much cheaper a Camry is and still has way better camera quality than most new Toyota cars
Driving cx9 I never get bored and never once got let me down by this powerful twin turbo.
@@roselinesuki6931 cx9 is twin turbo???
@@777tillinfinitynah it's a 2.5 single turbo 4cyl petrol.
I’d take the Kluger but with the V6, just for the engine. I drove one in the US and the V6 is fantastic.
One of the best V6 engines made.
Yep. Despite it being more thirsty than the hybrid, the V6 is much quicker and makes that hybrid slowwwww plus the hybrid is much more expensive so it'll take a while to make it up in the long run.
I own the v6 kluger grande which costs 7K less than a hybrid, and more fun to drive. Iove the panoramic sunroof, third row air vents, and turn by turn navigation on the digital dashboard. V6 is powerful, 0-100km in 7.5s. i agree the 8” screen is small, but it is touchscreen. Cx9 no touchscreen. I can see from the rear view camera no problems.
You don't sit in the 3rd row when driving
I just don't like the fact that Toyota treats their Aus/Nz/UK markets with that small infotainment screen and no wireless charging. It make sense on the base models, but not when you pay almost $80K on the top model.
Wireless charging is rubbish in most cars it doesn’t work properly
I think they do it on purpose so that in a year or two they can bring in a small change to attract more buyers. Right now, they are hybrid so they know they can win with less considering the fact there isn’t another large suv hybrid at this price range
Love my cx9 Azami, so fun to drive and the ultimate mum car. 🙂
Should have put the V6 Kluger up against the CX9
With the 8speed auto and less wieght than the hybrid , it is a vastly better drive .
Probably my only point of agreement with you is the dissapointment with a small info screen.
That said in practice the Kluger screen works fine .
Would be great to discuss the maintenance and durability of these cars…
Im with u on the Mazda. And still a great looking suv.
Like the looks of the Kruger, like the hybrid economy, hate the interior, especially dashboard and infotainment. The Mazda would get my money, being quite big enough and great to drive with a wonderful interior.
Solid reasoning Scott. A Hyundai Palisade is also worth considering if space and storage are high priorities
I agree but do remember that on overseas models you get a 12.3 inch digital display.
@@Superkart_milev27 agreed but that is of little comfort or value to Australian buyers paying $70K+ for the Grande spec.
@@WheelsAustralia noted. Thank you.
@@WheelsAustralia
Hey mate, I like Palisade Highlander.
Great comparison guys and the old dog still has some life in it.....lets hope with Mazda suggesting an 8spd auto coming the CX9 will get that..
I think you guys are correct. Cheap feeling materials for interior is a sort of tradition of Toyota cars. Lol
The top spec cx-9 is a Azami LE not the Azami as shown. But i also don’t understand both cars hybrid or turbo such small gutless engines in 2 tonne cars, a car with such heft should have some guts to counteract the weight
Brilliant show guys, wish that we had your style out here in SA. We don't have either model here, Mazda wouldn't sell at that price range, the Toyota would sell like hot cakes though as this brand is dominant over here
Scotty Kilmer issued a major warning about repair costs of hybrids. Out of warranty will be a real problem.
I am looking to drive long distance, maybe around Australia. For this purpose, the Kluger is better because of the service distance and price, full sized spare tyre, spare parts availability and low fuel consumption.
Good points! I've been considering a cx9... but more I read I like Kluger
@@777tillinfinity If you are interested, I have done significantly more research and while I personally have not gone ahead and have changed my plans, the best vehicle for my purposes ended up being the Hyundai Santa Fe. Specifically Hyundai (Not the Kia version) and specifically the lowest model in diesel. I did not like the higher grades.
@@trojanhman8136 interesting change! I do like Hyundai's also, Tuscon, even the Sante Fe... I don't need it, but also like the Hyundai Palisade, styling etc
@@777tillinfinity It was a long time ago but from memory the Kluger engine is an older design and the majority of the power doesn't come till later in the rev range. I didn't get to the stage of test driving and of course that is more important.
I heard that the CX-9 successor will be called CX-90.
The Mazda is mandated to run on unleaded 91ron while the petrol motor in the hybrid Toyota is mandated for premium 95ron ... so the savings on fuel peg back a bit there.
Hi Team, with the new 2.4T petrol replacing the V6 Kluger , is there a scope to do a comparison again with cx-9 ?
Cx-9 is still appealing and competitive compared to the latest offering from its rivals. Really looking forward to the next gen that comes with rear wheel drive platform and six cylinder hybrid options
next-gen Mazda platform should be brilliant!
You have to mention in your writings what year model 2022 ????? Vital information. Even in late 2021 you can buy the 2022 model late in the year so have to mention
Fairly subjective. I like a soft comfy cruise ride and the reviewers wanted a sporty drive,so they gave it to the Mazda on points. I have owned 3 cars with a turbo and will never buy another, as I hate even the slightest hint of turbo lag.
You do realise Mazda turbo engines barely have any turbo lag as it has instant power and torque when you are over 2000 rpm,
Source: drove and had one 2020 azami
Jeff, you're right - the boys did mention personal preference plays a role when it comes to the chassis tune. Although while the Mazda is sportier, it's still a comfy cruiser. Plus the Mazda is miles ahead when it comes to interior quality and its infotainment system. It also edges the Kluger for second/third row comfort.
@@oplisderi3164 And what happens when you are under 2000 rpm? No turbo or turbo lag I assume, like every other turbo I have driven.
@@mmcin719 well, the idle of this car is around 1300 or more once you touch the pedal, so it takes Les time to speed up, probably less then a second, and the lag is unnoticeable.
A great, detailed comparison and a deserved win for the CX-9. Kluger really misses the mark for that kind of money.
The extra $$$ is for the reliability that comes with Toyota.
Hi Guys
Can the hybrid tow 2 ton boat?
Mazda is stunning.
In a climate like Australia’s not having 3 rd row air con in the Mazda is a sin. For that reason alone I would take the Kluger
Had been looking into the 2017-2020 Toyota kluger for a family vehicle ,but when I'd discovered the same vehicle is sold in the states called the highlander and uses the same 8 speed auto transmission as the Australian Kluger I've decided not to, apparently there are shxxxxt load of laws suits in American to do with this transmission not working as intended and yes they are the same transmission on the Australian delivered Klugers
Lets admit it, the CX-9 is the better option.
(haven't watched the video yet)
9:10 Ditto.
CX-9 will still hold her beauty while the Kluger (and many others) will look like worn out old clogs in time.
The CX9 for me, classy inside and out, great to drive for a large suv, that 2-5 turbo engine is great to drive. The Toyota is very messy in terms of style and the dash just looks great and nasty
Mazda’s great but I don’t want a SUV that drinks like a fish so the hybrid is the better bet as well being more reliable without the turbo
Fair enough!
Oh men you should consider wagons. These things have 550-580 liters of space. Even C-segment wagons in Europe have more luggage room. Mazda 6 wagon 580liters, VW passat 650 liter and Skoda superb even more !
Pity that Mazda Australia didn’t tell the Australian people how horrible the gearbox is. Nothing but issues and you can’t even service them since they are a sealed unit. Good luck replacing one, costs over 10k
Warranty
I drive CX5 now 85000 km no issues at all , its 2019 petrol FWD
@@miladsaeed3770 was referring to the cx9
@@777tillinfinity yeah what happens when outside the standard warranty and only have stat warranty. Good luck
I like the Kluger but think the CX9 would be my choice. still not as good as the AU Falcon.
I think the cx9 dash is horrible
I wonder where these boys are reviewing these cars.......... cause I can tell you in QLD....... nobody wants a Mazda and that third row without aircon vents.
they’re somewhere in Victoria based on the plates
That 2.5 turbo drinks like an alcoholic. The 3.5 Kluger gets better returns
Kluger wins. Fun category is crap, they had to 2 points clear to get ahead to win! What a farce! Compare the petrol kluger and the cx9 is done. Don't own either car but by looking at the totals at the end was a laugh...
Cx9 looks way better despite being older
Would seem to me that you have seriously left serious differences without the weighting they deserve. Not only does the Mazda have a significant fuel consumption disadvantage, it also must use premium fuel & when you factor the cost of premium & consumption, you get a serious disadvantage. No score allocated to such a significant difference. I love both cars, but your comparisons were shallow.
wrong, it can take 91 Unleaded.
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Kluger (CVT gear)👎👎👎👎👎
CX9 Azami ❤❤❤❤❤
highlander with the 3.5 v6 blows the cx9 out of the water. cx9 feels claustrophobic in the front.
You really gonna compare a V6 to a 2.5Turbo? 🙄😒
@@uncbrygaming4997 why not? do tell!!
This comparison compares 2.5 t vs 2.5 hybrid.
@@robertduklus6555 you said 3.5 V6 not hybrid.
I am existing customers with Toyota since 15 years but now I am feel boring with Toyota because Toyota charge extra money then other company car but less features . You can see Toyota Prado design to old Mostly Modern generation don't like interior design they start buy others Brand like Mazda, Nissan, Kia, Hyundai, these company car have beautiful inter design and less price.
You can see Toyota made new Kluger but front grille design rubbish this design same like 2016 model 😡😡
If Toyota want stay in the market then they need to think about this matter other wise definately they'll loose business 😩😩😩
Toyota please
Toyota has failed miserably with the lack of options as provided in the USA, especially for the price of the Grande AWD hybrid. To install a sub-class infotainment was simply stupid.
Can't help but agree with you Daivd
Sweeet