Yeah it is a little ridiculous how much he dislikes normal vehicles. The last video was really funny for how honest it was about his mindset. To be fair, I get it to an extent. He's a guy with a girlfriend and nothing else to worry about. He likes performance. I like performance but no matter what I'd still be hauling my large extended family, dogs, friends, and coworkers. That's why the next car is, preferably, going to be either an Audi A6 Allroad or an RS6. I get my performance, all of the cargo space, and plenty of room for the folks in my life. Hatchbacks and wagons are a treasure. Worst case scenario I settle for either a Toyota Grand Highlander hybrid or the new Land Cruiser. Toyota is offering a lot of stuff that I like.
@@ADUSNIt's not that people underestimate Mazda, but rather that Mazda spent its relatively (compared to the big OEMs) design and development resources on things that don't really move the needle with the average buyer in this segment. I predict that this vehicle won't significantly gain market share in this segment for Mazda. Kind of a shame but it is what it is.
too bad its function is terrible and the tech is so awful and usability really gets on your nerves..as a current 2023 mazda owner.. it's the little things that frustrate you and nothing works. want to go unlock a door? no unlock sensors on rear doors...want to unlock just drivers door and not all? can't choose by touching the unlock sensor. and the driver's assist are "there" but just doesn't work.
Considering CX 90 is a brand new product, I love the direction they are heading. Let's face it, they aren't in the market to build boring cars. Give it a couple years to refine it. I have high hopes for them!
Refinement doesn’t matter if there is no space inside to back it up. I owned a cx9 and tested a cx90. Still small inside and not a real 3row suv. Engine wise its one of the best but the main purpose of these suvs are to carry people and cargo. That is why Mazda is lacking big time.
@@dannytu0322 I mean Mazda is still not good with hybrids, no hybrids in CX5. Their gas models are very poor with the mpgs. Also, most importantly they are lagging so much with the interior space and visibility. But I know they are reliable and handling is good but other parameters are important too.
Im a now 38 year old Dad with two kids. I grew up with Eclipses, Hondas, and big turbo Audi/VW builds. Im in a position now where I need a hauler, but I still love cars. These videos are great. I know the Silverback himself wants RWD Euros, and they're great, but your approach to these types of vehicles are fantastic. Just because we're not driving 911's doesnt make us any less car people anymore, we still want the best possible vehicle for us as drivers and haulers. I've watched you guys for years and working from home, these Monday morning videos are a great way to start my week. Please kick around the idea of new/different merch, I'd love to continue to support this channel.
Get a subaru since you still only having two kids. 😊. But I think mazda is making cars we would all like to spend time in. I drive Toyota for peace of mind.
@@WallsCastro I agree. I am a 10 year car kind of guy. I specifically avoid the Euros because of this. Just cost to maintain and depreciation is too hard to take imo. Im still shopping sedans as well. I've been looking at the TLX and Lexus IS also. I know SG said the IS350 is a "hard sell" but my kids are 4 and 1, so a small sedan is still appropriate I believe. It'll be fun to see how this all progresses. I'm planning on an end of 2024 purchase. I love the V6 in the Lexus. I know the transmission is ancient, but as I mentioned I work remotely and only have travel one day a week. That one day is 26 miles of country roads, so I'd love something to enjoy that commute.
@@markc9949 those European cars will always give headaches. You are making a great choice. You will not go wrong with any of the options you have in lexus lineup. Luxury and fun will be up there. Your kids will have good memories with this choice. I think having two kids below 5yo old you don't need a big hauler like Honda pilot. Sedans or crossovers like lexus RX/NX will still be enough. For fun I still recommend a lexus sedan with Natural aspirated V6 or V8 if you wanna be aggressive 😉. With transmission, I believe fun and reliability in IS350 will be sufficient. I drove that car for few months and want it again.
I hate when reviewers say "its not like a Porsche" or some other 6 figure car. A CX90 id probably going to be an upgrade for most people and feel amazing, people with the buying power to go German luxury aren't going down to a Mazda
I'm currently cross shopping an X5, Q7, and the CX90 (among others). I plan on towing my 718 GTS to the track with them. So... Don't think that's necessarily true!
Tried it all and went with Toyota hybrid max. They are more expert with boat feeling but I feel mostly the same for test driving at least… it’s not like I can go corners and full throttle with a salesman inside.. but our family loves our new Toyota and hopefully keep it for long time!🎉🎉
It’s the smart choice. If you ever get bored of it you will get a great resale price compared to the other two. On the other hand, someone buying used should look closely at the Honda which will have depreciated more (not so sure about Mazda reliability new model, their sweet spot is smaller vehicles).
Mazda CX-90 for the win!! When I was looking for a 3rd row SUV, I looked at these three. The Honda Pilot was great and loved the removable 2nd row seat. HOWEVER, Honda dealers wanted a mandatory $4700 in addition add-ons!! The Grand Highlander looked very nice too but not as great as the Pilot. The main sale for me on the GH was the hybrid drive train. HOWEVER, they wanted $8k in adjustment price!!! Nope to both. Mazda gave me no add-ons or market adjustments!! I essentially got more for my car when I went with Mazda!!
@@berto8232 if you plan to keep your car for 10 or more years, i say go with toyota or Honda products. Long term they hold value and are far more reliable than a Mazda
I got the CX-90 two weeks ago (the regular turbo). My wife and I really liked the driving dynamics of the CX-90 as we both go for a lot of road trips and it is quite a blast to drive. Maybe I'm the minority mazda had in mind. I feel like I haven't traded in the 'fun to drive' element for the car I drive the most. The jerky first gear is the only complaint we have so far. I think I'll have to contact Mazda for that.
The trick for first gear is you have to drive it like a dual clutch transmission. It doesn't like to creep so if you can help it or the space allows it,you need to step into the gas pedal firmly then you won't get that jerk.
Yes, I learned to press gas and brake petals precisely again on CX90 to make sure my passengers enjoy the trips. Both the gearbox and istop requires good foot work, reminding me of the old days I just started driving. However, it's quite satisfying when I drive the CX90 myself without any passengers. I also found the adaptive cruise control is reasonably smooth for daily drives with family onboard.
The more I see the CX-90's competition, the more I see how much Mazda is committed to the luxury segment. The CX-90 definitely is in that class now, the design alone shits on the competion, to include the Telluride, I believe.
Weather people want to admit it or not, IMHO a CX90 is just as nice as a MDX and a MDX is just as nice as a Q7. MDX and Q7 probs ride better than the CX90 but the CX90 seems to take the edge on handling. All comes down to personal preference.
@@chrispnw2547 idk about that. The majority of people find the CX90 to be refined for the most part but they have said it doesn't ride as good as others (but it still rides good) due to being an overall sportier vehicle. I'm pretty sure Mark is the only journalist who found the CX90 to be unrefined.
I decided to get the Pilot because it has a naturally aspirated v6, the non-CVT transmission and I personally have had good luck with Honda vehicles in the past
I traded my 2019 honda odyssey touring with 75,000 miles $ 32,000 sweet and now I have a 2023 honda pilot elite that I love to drive more and more every day, you can't go wrong.
I’ve had my Pilot Trailsport since May and it’s been everything Mark and Jack talked about. It’s comfortable, the interior is intuitive, and it drives smaller than it is. I just put on some Michelin X-Ice winter tires and it’s been awesome after our recent dump of snow. I’m still not a fan of the push-button transmission and the gas mileage isn’t great, but otherwise it’s been a good family hauler.
Totally honest and fair review. I test drove all these vehicles and got a CX 90. I am definitely supporting Mazda and can deal with some of the flaws and knew that going into it as a first GEN product with so many new components. Thanks for always keeping it real and being honest and fair.
As an owner of a cx90M I agree with most of your summary. It does give up some utility for improved driving dynamics but I just have two kids and I'm good with that trade-off. I think the interior is gorgeous, particularly for a car in this price point and the exterior styling and proportions have a real elegance and presence. This is a vehicle that I will look over my shoulder to check out when I walk away from it. A really good looking car. I had a 2022 Highlander prior to this and it definitely felt like more of an appliance. It also rattled like an '80s Chrysler so badly that I couldn't stand to drive it. That's why I traded it for the Mazda . The CX90 powertrain has some jerkiness which I attribute to the mild hybrid system. I'm hoping that it can be improved with software updates. But the handling and braking are excellent in my opinion. I think what your assessment misses is the exceptional fuel economy. You probably didn't put enough miles on it to get a fair evaluation on that end. But I can tell you that mine has averaged 8.5 l per 100 km over the 12000 km we've owned it. That's a legit 28mpg, and in mostly city driving. Seems like a pretty remarkable accomplishment for something that weighs 5000 lb and has 340 horsepower.
@@taylorkingrealestate2053 the only thing I disable was the lane keep assist on my CX 50. I didn’t like the feeling of when I would want to change lanes it would try to keep me in the lane. Other than that, I don’t have too much nanny stuff going on with the safety systems on my Mazda
I was expecting this outcome, actually. Pilot is a great car, definitely the most balanced one. And if you go for the trail one, there's absolutely no competition in AWD turf, Pilot blows those two outta the water. Toyota is superb for 4x4, but their AWD systems are terrible.
@@disco.lemonadeI’d have to disagree, historically Toyota’s E-AWD was not good but their TNGA-K platform E-AWD system is just as good as an on-demand system for what most people are going to need it to do. Obviously in an off-road scenario, it’s not quite the same but it’s pretty good. TFL just did a slip test on the GH Hybrid Max, and it did excellently well. Honda’s on demand is still better just due to having the physical connection but I wouldn’t call Toyota’s terrible
Just test drove the Grand Highlander Limited and the Honda Pilot Touring. The Toyota was my choice if for no other reason than the responsiveness of the engine in sport or regular drive mode. Throw in the interior dimensions and the GH was the clear winner for me. I didn’t notice that the Pilot was that much different in its handling to make it my choice. We bought the GH. (The GH has just the base engine, it’s really nice.)
Can’t find an answer to this. Does the GH have driver easy talk. Where a driver can talk to the back seat using the speakers? Not a dealbreaker but just something we were wondering
You guys are still producing the absolute best content, with exceedingly high production values. Thank you, and keep it up. Personally we got a '24 Pilot Elite a couple of months ago, and still confident it was the right pick for our particular needs. Primary factors were: best AWD system (we've had 2 MDXes), lowest cost, likely durability and modest maintenance costs, not having to deal with current Toyota purchase experience (typically a nightmare). I have and will have other cars for driving dynamics; for utility for the long haul in our climate and where I like to recreate, the Pilot is the right mix.
Better than I expected, but it's certainly not in what I would call the "luxury" category. The acoustic glass on the upper trim levels seems to help. We had a 2008 MDX and a 2012 MDX; it's definitely quieter than both of those. I've just come to accept that Honda products have less noise dampening than other products. Haven't ever really detected any wind noise, just a low-level of road noise. @@user-yx4on8hx4w
Nothing really weird with the dealers themselves, just the current overall constrained supply relative to the demand for Toyota products. Waits, waiting lists, "additional market adjustment" crap, and so on. Try walking into your local Toyota dealer and ask to see their selection of in-stock RAV4 Primes...@@jamit500
The thing is that both Pilot and GH address the needs of the crowd that is out looking for a 3 row SUV with big space. Mazda I am sure will be fun to drive but most homes in US with kids would have two cars and it makes sense to have a Pilot or GH over CX90 and get a sporty car for fun driving experience. No matter how sporty CX90 is, it is still an SUV. I am a Honda fan however I like GH better this time.
Theres enough vapid Americans to justify the need for a "sporty" 3 row like the CX90 even though its not that spacious compared to its competitors and its certainly no sports sedan let alone sports car. The engineering is impressive but only because there's enough loud/rich idiots to warrant such kind of thing. But as long it gives them money to make a miata im cool with it
I just commented something very similar not too long ago. The CX-90 is by no doubt the best to drive dynamically, but some people buying things don’t care at all, and both the Pilot and GH are better at being a 3-row family hauler
Toyota is really doing great with the newer gen vehicles (ignore their ev) The tech and interior choices of the top Toyota like the new crown signia and GH are better than the nx and tx because they don’t go way too far with touchscreen
I feel like sportiness actually can sell crossovers. Look at BMW. The idea that the brand is sporty even if the suv is not can be appealing. However I dont think Mazda yet got that mainstream acknowledgment of being a sportier brand. So that whole aim just falls flat. Thry probably will never get it as they focus on CUVs. BMW had decades of focusing in sportier car body deisgns to build up that image.
I’m super happy with the CX-9 and recently got the CX-90 base (mild hybrid) as a loaner. My initial reaction was it was not as nimble as the CX-9, but it grew on me very quickly overall. I think there are many who enjoy the Mazda dynamics enough to pick up the only one that aimed to offer inspired driving (whether they nailed it or not). Glad Mazda offer such option in a sea of more generic alternatives. I’m enjoying every curve~
@@ryandoe9278 I had no idea my comment got likes let alone comments.. Yes, CX-90 is RWD-based and got V6 with mild hybrid fwiw, but it just felt heavier and less nimble.
@@Andrew-pv8oz nahhhhh. I’d rip his cx-9 apart on a track. He’s used to driving his car and knows the vehicles limits. I’m not bashing his cx-9, it’s a great car and if there is nothing wrong with it, he should keep it. He’s going from a heavy front end car with a shorter wheel base. Once he gets comfortable driving a cx90, he’ll sing a different tune. I’ve driven both cars and i immediately felt the handling difference. I’ve also race my cars for 2 decades at willow springs and button willow (not the cx-90) so I can tell the difference. To the cx-9 owner, if you love your car and it’s not giving you any problems, I wouldn’t trade it for a cx-90. Hence why my get around car is a 2008 Mazda 3. I love that car and I don’t give two poops what people think about me driving it. Kept it over high end cars I’ve owned.
32:08 After decades of fighting between the Honda Pilot and Toyota Highlander, I think the most important take away is that Honda won by making it a NA V6 with Passenger comfort focused first, instead of forcing hybrid drivetrains into every car.
LOL it's actually opposite. Toyota hybrids are now epitomy of reliability and efficiency. Honda lost this game long ago. Don't even get me started on their failing transmissions.
I can always count on these guys produce fantastic reviews. Unfortunately if you weren’t going to build from the factory the only one of these 3 cars you can find in my neck of the woods on the lot that isn’t spoken for is the CX90, which is why we picked it. Fantastic review on that car I completely agree with everything they’ve said
17,200 km trouble free on our Sumo Highlander XLE AWD with the base engine since Sept 1. No complaints so far other than the damn start/stop defaulting to on, and side winds are more noticeable on the hwy than our old '16 HL, despite it handling better. Has a larger side profile while being lighter than the old one. We are using it to carry 6-8 people everyday of the week. So far, so good. Still waiting for a hood deflector to be available, but did manage to get a hitch and 7 pin installed. It will achieve hwy fuel rating if you drive 100 km/h.
CX-90 feels like a 3 row g37 sedan. Great idea and fun to drive just not the most family friendly 3 row. Out of the 3 rows I tested I really found this one to be fun to drive. Too many cons in terms of practically for those using this as a family car if you do have 5 or more people regularly. Additionally the mid trim premium plus trim feels cheap for materials . Pilot and GH are better as mid trims. The cx90 is awesome as a top trim but very compromised for what it does and the segment it is in.
I believe I may be the target audience for the Mazda honestly. I felt compelled to drive the CX-90 after your review to see how I felt about the ride myself and while firm I still felt comfortable. To me the Mazda is a no compromise vehicle for what I'm looking for. Excellent safety scores, has every single feature I could want in a vehicle plus more, very quiet inside, I can adjust all the seats to my height and fit behind myself just fine at 5'10" and I really didn't have any complaints with it including the refinement. As far as competitors, I don't trust Genesis due to Hyundai's fire history, the other Japanese offerings are good but dull by comparison, the American brands do not interest me for a variety of reasons and the European offerings cost notably more in maintenance on top of base equivalents costing the same as a fully loaded CX-90. I'm sure if I drove it more I'd notice some weirdness when starting from a stop like many have mentioned but I keep in mind that it uses a wet clutch setup so I don't consider this a legitimate fault, but rather just a refinement thing. My primary reason in even looking into this class of vehicle actually has nothing to do with the 3rd row, I just want something refined, all the features I'd use in a vehicle that also happens to be fun to drive all while having the ability to tow a camper. The CX-70 is due to come out soon for those without the need of a 3rd row, but seeing as it isn't out yet, the CX-90 is the next best thing. Mazda being Mazda I do hope that this new drivetrain proves to be reliable as well and while I'm confident it will be I do understand new drivetrains can take time to perfect. Currently in a '21 WRX and while I love it, the lack of refinement can be tiring and the lack of utility means I can't even pull an ATV, nevermind a camper. Looking to buy the CX-90 or even CX-70 in a few years once things are more ironed out and hopefully I can keep the WRX as the weekend toy.
@@sarcasticundertones3513 They do, but I just didn't experience it in the one I drove. They also had a press vehicle. But even then a little lack of refinement isn't a make or break for me as long as the overall package is what I want.
Ended up going for the Pilot, just replaced my ‘17 Elite with a ‘24 Elite. 🎉 The CX-90 felt small inside (I didn’t test drive). Telluride is getting a little old now… I did consider the Lexus TX though, but price is much higher and being a new “hot” model, there’s significant dealer markup. My new Pilot is better in every way than my previous one (except fuel economy). I’m quite impressed with the handling and ride, chassis tuning is spot on.
Don’t get me wrong the CX 90 is a beautiful SUV looks very luxurious! But i would go with the Grand Highlander bc of the space behind the third row i love the outside look very boxy & simple and yet attractive to me 🙂 great video keep up the good work 👍
I have always been interested in rear seat delete options for an effective four to eight inches of cargo area ceiling height. The Mini Cooper Clubvan of a decade ago was the ultimate chicken tax of a warm (hot ?) hatch. Anyways, kudos for channelling Depeche Mode for the intro.
Mini Coopers are a hidden gem in this age of big, bloated, disposable computer loafs on wheels. I wouldn't own another, but they are fun and still relatively affordable.
@@12ealDealOfficial Except they aren't so mini anymore. We traded in our 09 clubman S for our CX-9 when the kids outgrew it. The news ones are just as big as a HRC/CRV!
We have a 22 MDX ASpec and really love it for what it is. If the Pilot were around, I would have gone for that if this has the exact same AWD set up which I think it does. Sometimes I push ours like an idiot and in wet/snowy conditions that AWD system is amazing. 22k miles and beyond the new transmission very early on, it’s been flawless.
@@cargueone1971 It was almost right away so guessing it was a defective unit from the get go. I have had atleast 25 BMW’s, 5 Porsches and 5 VW’s, so over a third of my cars have been German. The about 5 Corvette, a Chevy SS, two Mustangs, 84 Ranger, my current 2011 Raptor and a 78 Cutlass and my first car was a 80 Pontiac Sunbird, so I do not discriminate. That said, the MDX is one of the cars I have owned for the most mileage and am pretty smitten with it’s reliability vs some of the German stuff. though my 04 BMW ZHP gave me zero issues in 32k miles, so I guess it takes the reliability crown.
@@clubracer6 Ur pretty well versed then u could say. I'm always iffy if I were to recommend/buy a euro brand besides maybe Porsche (every car can have their fair share of problems). Recently, someone Ik owns a '18 Q7 and all of a sudden he experienced like 4/5 different pretty major mechanical issues (leakage, engine issues..). *After* the warranty expired ofc..
I've owned a CX-90 plug-in since September. The software quirks are real, but each update is an improvement. Mine was manufactured in August, and most of the glitches had already been addressed. I've had one momentary thud from the drive train while accelerating at slow speed, which has never been duplicated. I have no idea what that was all about. Where the CX-90 excels is the ride and comfort. This is a replacement for my wife's Volvo XC-90, and the improvement in ride and handling is substantial. I love driving it, and longer trips are a breeze. It's a keeper.
Love mine too! I've got the 6 but its only because I couldn't plug it in. No one makes a good wagon anymore except Volvo so I went with the SUV that could drive like a sporty wagon instead.
@@raghuram2815 My opinion of this car has evolved. We got my wife's Volvo XC-90 new, and we both say the CX-90 has better handling & ride. However, it hasn't been problem free, including the replacement of the water heater that is causing the "Hybrid Malfunction" error. And more recently the "Telematics" error. They've got some bugs to work out, but it's a promising vehicle.
These are definitely the best choices in the 3 row segment. I went regular highlander. I don't need the boat of the GH. I did seriously consider a Pilot. But my prior interactions with Honda were quite poor, and the units available at the dealer had some QC issues (this was 2-5 months after their release). I've had plenty of Mazda's and I really wanted to do a 90, but like Mark said. I need a 3 row for a 3 row. The Highlander just did it better. Perhaps when money frees up ill give the Highlander to wife and grab a 90 for myself.
@@victormoreno2767 I'm in SC PA, friend has been in DE for a few years. My experiences mirror his. They'll bend over backward to sell you one. Have a problem? It's like Apple - baseless acquisitions, you're using it wrong, ect.
I considered all three when choosing my company car and ended up with the cx90 with the weaker version of i6. It’s a great vehicle if you treat it like a two row suv and i love the way it drives and handles crosswinds at highway speeds, and i would say the powertrain is pretty darn smooth when you’re not revving it past 4000rpm. Its outstanding looks inside and out definitely makes it special compared to the others, and I dont even mind the less space and cubbies. It’s still more spacious than my 4runner which i use for a family of 3
I’ll give Honda, Toyota, and Mazda credit. All three of these have pleasing exterior designs. As opposed to bizarro ones like the Lexus RX. The Grand Highlander’s grille is kinda ugly, but not as ugly as other Toyota & Lexus products. These are big, tall vehicles and trying to make them swoopy just doesn’t work aesthetically.
@@MikeForsythe So do high end cars like Mercedes, BMW, and Audi. But they look classic and timeless, unlike Toyota/Lexus grilles and Hyundai/Kia origami. But as they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
CX-90 looks and feels more special especially on the interior and in the lighter colors. For me it fails in what it’s supposed to be as a 3 row people mover due to its poor space utilization in the 2nd & 3rd rows. . It probably feels the most athletic of the trio. I love what the Pilot does with the middle seat in the 2nd row but it doesn’t feel special at all. I’m happy to see that they’re not limiting customers to 6 seats on top trim models. It was so uninspiring that I didn’t even test drive it once I sat inside. The Grand Highlander from a people mover perspective is what all of the others in the segment should target for their space utilization. The interior presents as confident. It’s not as bland as the Pilot nor is it as premium looking as the CX-90. How did the standard Highlander even get into the conversation? That third row is only for packages and people sitting on their knees. There are probably many enthusiast parents that will find themselves in a 3 row and want to step it out a little. If it’s in your blood it’s in your blood right? 👍.
Mazda has chronic problem with poor space utilization. You hear that comment for virtually every Mazda from every reviewer. Very nice cars to look at and drive, but practicality isn't their forte.
In my garage I have a '16 MX-5 and a '16 Jaguar F-type 3.0S manual transmission coupe. I look at the drivetrain of the CX-90 and think that the bones are there to make a really interesting sports/GT car.
Honda truely are masters at drivetrain/chassis dynamics, and they grasp the balance between driving engagement and refinement the best. I would take the hit on the somewhat boring exterior/interior any day.
Owner of a cx90. Agree storage is limited. However I've never had my phone come off of the charger, and unlike Toyotas wireless charger the cx90s actually works. Also to say the Grand Highlander has a better infotainment system than the cx90 is absurd. As a service advisor for Toyota, it's hard for me to recommend any new Toyotas..
I still think it's interesting that you guys haven't touched on the Subaru Ascent. I sold them for several years and liked them quite a lot, despite the CVT. I and others would surely be interested on your take.
You guys explain things so well. I learned a lot in this video. You are objective and honest, unlike other reviewers which I feel are so afraid to say negative things about a certain brand.
I’m actually a buyer watching comparisons and reading reviews before I made my final decision regarding the Honda Pilot. We had the passport elite, which I really liked except for the shift buttons, (which I never ever get used to). We liked the approach of your common sense review. Have a grandbaby coming in March which is a concern, but don’t want to look too much like a grandparent lol… Building my pilot now! All The Best, Guy
It's important that people understand this : everybody saying that GH is the biggest among the three but it's questionable . GH total passenger volume is 148.8 Cubic feet to 153.3 Cubic feet VS Pilot 158.4 Cubic feet. In addition, we have GH cargo volume behind the 3rd row 20.6 Cubic feet VS Pilot 18.6 Cubic feet. So as you can see, Honda pilot has overall bigger passengers volume and only 2 Cubic feet less in term of cargo capacity behind 3rd row. That being said, the GH looks taller but it's only from exterior prospective, but when it comes to interior volume, the pilot is bigger for about 5 Cubic feet.
Definitely agree with the viewpoint on these vehicles. Wondering if the CX-90 issues would bother me as much as it did you all. But yea, my sister has the MDX Type S and that TVDiff is soooo good.
Going from a Mercedes E350 Wagon to a Mazda CX-9 I’ve been very happy. If I needed a new car today I would probably go for the CX-90. I’m the 40+ year old dad who likes to get the rear end of a car to break loose, but I know I’ve given up practically. I really appreciate these videos.
I have a 2014 Pilot and this new pilot gives me 0 reasons to quote un quote upgrade to the newer model. I genuinely wish Honda had made it hybrid with the v6 to get better fuel economy. I love the way the cx90 looks but unfortunately it’s not ready for mainstream so that’s out. The grand highlander makes boat like waves and I have kids that get car sick easily so that’s out. So of these three I will keep my 2014 pilot. Thanks for the video as always.
I dont believe the Mazda's inline 6 sounds anywhere nearas good as a BMW inline 6, but it definitely sounds unique for the class. That being said im a Honda guy who owns a V6 Honda and absolutely loves it. My pick is The Honda Pilot.
We're approaching the end of our lease with the cx9 and while we liked it, I can't see getting another Mazda. Loved the nimble handling, confident brakes, decent supportive seats, decent stereo. The safety systems/electronics continue to throw alerts often and we've had a limp home mode trigger a few times that have necessitated 2 trips to the dealer to hopefully resolve. Ours came with a 3/36 warranty. That is not acceptable. This car needs a 4/50 warranty to provide more confidence and to cover what are unresolved problems. Maybe this is how many modern cars are due to turbo engines and sensors/cameras, but it's not executed properly here.
We own a previous gen Highlander and I've test driven a couple of CX90s on a closed course. I've never been in a Pilot. The CX90 is definitely a car you buy with your heart because it's as close to a sports car as a 3-row can get. Our Highlander couldn't be farther away from that; it actually handles sort of bad. Not terrible, but definitely disappointingly, especially in limited traction, or more spirited...no. not spirited...in an angry fashion. It doesn't handle changing directions very well and takes the time it takes to translate your inputs to outputs. Oddly enough, that's something my wife likes, and we went with the Highlander for many reasons. But if you enjoy driving, the CX90 is a FAR better choice. I like Honda's J35, but styling-wise, the previous gen Pilot was pretty ugly. This one is much nicer. ...that said, I absolutely love our Highlander and it'll outlast a Mazda. Any Mazda. Sadly. I wish Mazda build more resilient cars because our climate sucks, our kids have no mercy and I can't keep family haulers in showroom condition. My two current Mazdas need to be given the ultimate princess treatment to last the test of time.
This is follow up I’ve been waiting for! Thank you gents 🎉 not sure why Mark and Jack say we enthusiast dads are not going to yaw out the CX90 MHEV Turbo? It’s the sportiest choice here and I bought one after test driving them all including the Korean twins. The CX90 now at 1500 miles has had small issues (recalls on trans logic, service bulletin to front suspension, and a heat sensor tuning update) all have aided the short comings tremendously. The new trans logic update helps the 1-2 jerky jerky tremendously. To add if you are in to making this the three row project car. Tuning exists for more boost maps, I did a custom Borla performance exhaust and intake, down pipe will make the pull even better. I love it. Thanks guys im a father with 5 kids and need the three row but will not go coffin style with selling my performance soul. Also I have a ZO6 in the garage Jack 🤙for the weekends
Bought the Honda pilot touring after Toyota dealership were playing around and I am so happy!! Awesome suv. One best I ever drive!! Best looking suv well appoint for 50k!!! Pano roof, 11 speaker Bose system, nav, heated seats, and tons of other features and this uses ultra strength steel in its construction so very strong and feels luxurious !!
Great Comparison, Mr. Goose. The Mazda build quality is near Lexus at this point. Recently detailed a new 2023 CX-5 and I was amazed, it's almost a True Luxury car. Honda is the clear winner, just objectively it hits all the "Family Talking Points" Mazda is the enthusiast option Toyota is Brand Loyalty and old rep alone, the Honda will last just as long and be just as trouble free
I've been considering the Mazda CX-90, but after diving into customer reviews, it seems there are a lot of issues with this model. Additionally, it's worth noting that the CX-90 has had 7 recalls in the last 6 months alone.
Really surprised that the Toyota was quicker than the Mazda. For my money, the rock solid dependability of the Honda's naturally aspirated V-6 along with their excellent in-house 10 speed makes the Pilot the one to buy.
The J-series motors are absolutely tanks, and so simple compared to today’s world of turbos and hybrids. The motor was a huge driver in selecting a Passport for our family SUV.
The Pilot is the one because of the packaging. It's just hyper practical with ridiculous amounts of storage both for large items like luggage and strollers in the cargo area, and everyday items like phones, hydro flasks, diaper bags, and sunglasses in the zillion convenient compartments in the passenger areas. We got one after cross shopping the other two cars here and the MDX and decided we were willing to give up the luxe features for a hyper practical family hauler. We don't regret it.
@@jaynuckIf you keep it long term and drive a lot, maintenance cost has to be taken into the consideration. It’s a thirsty engine and needs timing belt and valve adjustment closer to 100k miles which is roughly $1500 job at the dealer.
@@FirstHandLLCto be fair I love the cx90 but it's incredibly complex. A timing belt that's meant to be changed is actually a good thing. Especially considering a lot of cars with timing chains that are supposed to be life time were set up without service in mind.
First off, Savagegeese is the best auto content out there right now; honest and entertaining analysis of the vehicles they get to test, and clearly not dependent upon manufacturer support (which then tints reviews one way or another). Bravo Mark and Jack! I've loved my 8 year old CX-5, and have become a Mazda convert... but with two kids, a dog, and a new (to me) fishing boat to haul around, this 3 row segment is what I've started reviewing at this point. I've driven the CX-50 turbo and really liked it; while it may able to handle the boat for shorter trips, the 3500lb tow rating gives me pause. Add in the additional space for kids and expanded ability to haul stuff inside the cabin along with the 5000lb tow capacities, and the 3 rows seem to be the direction to go. I had high hopes for the Mazda, but between SG's original review, this head-to-head-to-head comparison, and the Car Care Nut's review of the CX-90's mechanicals/maintenance/repair aspect... and well, I think I have to cross it off my list. Like Mark said, it seems like they took it out of the oven too soon... I'm guessing that's why the CX-70 has been delayed as a result. At this point, I think I'm down to the Pilot or CX-50; I don't need the size of the Grand Highlander, and really don't want the wallowy handling/ride (which I've heard is also an issue with the Telluride/Pallisade).
Nissan really kickstarted something with making the pathfinder back into that boxy truck-like style. Literally every other japanese and some American company followed suite with that. And i think its a good look.
I compared these 3, along with other 3 rows, when deciding on my wife’s upgrade to a family hauler 3 row. I was looking to buy for long term use, 200k+ miles. I share the same opinions with you guys. The CX-90 is the sexiest and was very tempting. But being a first year of a LOT of new things mechanically kept me away. That plus how small it is inside. The Grand Highlander was definitely the biggest inside, though not by a huge amount compared to the Pilot. It had a bigger infotainment than the Pilot which was cool. But man does it looks boring especially from the outside. Also a 4 cylinder turbo on a big family hauler doesn’t sit well with me for long term use. The main reason I avoided it was because the markups were insane in my area (New York). $5k was the lowest, most were closer to $10k. That’s just insane and killed the value proposition for this car. The Pilot was a sleeper hit for me. I didn’t know much about the new generation before looking for this upgrade. Much bigger and better looking than the previous version. Ditching the crappy 9 speed for the 10 speed. Still a NA V6. All the features I wanted. Mainly having a bench in the top trims (which I wanted badly). None of the other 3 rows had that besides the boats like an Expedition or Tahoe. The Pilot fit the bill for everything I wanted while being reliable, not expensive to fix and good looking. The driving experience was surprisingly good and with a black exterior it really looks sharp. I avoided anything American, European and Korean due to long term reliability and/or maintenance costs. Options from Lexus and Acura were much smaller inside. Used for similar or less money I was missing out on a lot of features I wanted and most older options are much smaller inside. The new Pilot Elite was the winner for me. Super practical, still really nice and something my wife can drive worry free for a long long time.
I'm 6'4". We tried test driving the CX-90 and it was impossible for me to get in the driver's seat. Although I'm admittedly fairly big, the issue was a complete lack of legroom for tall drivers. Very happy with the 2022 Pathfinder we ended up buying.
Loved the Shoppe segment. The music and the transitions over mecanical parts were straight out of a Forza game. Truly amazing ! Grrat work. Please keep the sound testing. I care and like that segment.
I'll skip the CX-90. Why? Smaller than average cargo space. The timing chains are on the back of the engine. The strut tower braces take up too much room under the hood. Thus, making it damn near impossible to work on. The electric motor is under-powered. It's just enough to barely keep the engine running for a brief period. If my '18 Pathfinder could have made it to the Honda dealer, but they had no Pilot's. The CVT was going out and I got the '23 Pathfinder and it's a huge improvement. A little quirky and it's an electronic overkill on the safety systems. I'm living with it.
Great review. You guys nailed it. As much as I love my CX90 PHEV, the day to day short comings are annoying. I bought it for the handling, aesthetics, PHEV (averaging 900 miles per tank) and exclusivity (Honda Pilots and the H/K twins are everywhere). My 2 biggest gripes are the lack of storage and the harsh ride on longer trips. The kids are older so they travel with a water, phone, maybe a backpack so we don’t needs tons of nooks and crannies but a phone and a water is pretty much all each occupant can have. Storage is literally that horrible for such a large car. On longer trips the firm ride gets obnoxious. The CX90 NEEDS active dampers. The lack of premium features (compared to the Telluride and Palisade) and how they’re packaged is a ding. There are some cost cutting trims bits that also detract from the ownership experience. Despite all this, I really do like the CX90. It’s unique in the market and has a premium look to it. At over 2,000 miles it’s been running flawlessly. Maybe I’m lucky in that regard or have a later production model. Down the road, I’m confident it’ll be more reliable than the German competition.
Too bad you missed the sweet spot, the GH hybrid with optioned AWD. You were dismissive of the CVT which is not some snowmobile anarchism but a very sophisticated planetary gear system that uses a second electric motor to keep RPMs optimal for the Atkins cycle, uber efficient and reliable 4 banger. The AWD option, at $1600, is a bargain adding electrically modulated rear wheel torque from a third motor that is transformative to the handling and does not stress the loafing ICE engine. Toyota genius that sets the bar.
The 2 of you would probably would take the mazda cx90 when driving about in a large city or city driving. I have had my cx90 for 3 months now and the initial jerkiness is gonein my car after about 2 weeks of driving You dont have to drive to car hard to enjoy it. Its very quiet and nimble when cruising and wakes up when you put it in sports mode. Best of both worlds. About about a month, it drives way better. No competition.
The CX-90 is the only one that is good to drive, and the interior in the Premium Plus is gorgeous. I drove the Pilot and would not in a million years prefer that over the CX-90.
That thin clunky aluminum hood bouncing around on the highway really pisses me off.... So does their thin tinny sounding doors when you close them. Do better Toyota.
I bought a PIlot Elite about 10 days ago and really love it. This surprises me, coming from my BMW 5 series, but I needed an SUV and didn't want to spend the money (and repairs) on an X5. The Pilot just does everything right for this segment. There are compromises in acceleration but I don't really drive like that. The everyday conveniences just work and I keep finding new things that are even better. It's a good, reasonable choice for everyday hauling of grandkids and larger items. I would love the CX-90 to be be better but too many problems at this point for me.
Disclaimer. I'm a Mazda fan-boy and own a 2023 CX-5 Signature. I think your assessment of the CX-90 is spot on. I briefly drove a lower trim CX-90 while getting the CX-5 serviced, and as soon as I closed the driver side door, I could tell it was not up to the level of my CX-5. I think "tinny" is a great description of what the door feels like when it closes. Closing the door on the CX-5 is solid and refined. I absolutely did not like the drive train. It does not compare well at all to the CX-5 which seems to me to be ultra refined. From the transmission to well of effortless torque, the CX-5 is so well done, so polished, it made the CX-90 seem cheap when driving it. This interior space, while looking great, barely felt any bigger than my CX-5. I was expecting a bit more room in the driver position, but if anything, it felt like a little less. And Mazda won't let you have a second row bench seat in any higher trim level. For me, it must have a bench because the third row just isn't great for adults. They didn't give the higher trim levels enough power. My CX-5 will run circles around it as well as out dragging it. And finally, you guys nailed it on useable storage... or lack thereof. That annoys me on my CX-5 and I found it very disappointing that the CX-90 doesn't have any more useful storage than my CX-5 does. Sad. Love the open honest reviews guys. Without them manufactures have less incentive to improve their products.
Own a Grand Highlander Hybrid Max Platinum and the review they provided is right on the money. I needed a big 3rd row SUV so I’ll drive that boat Grand Highlander for now. I would Definitely watch their reviews before I upgrade to a future SUV.
I own a cx90 top trim, drove the Honda and Toyota, it is hands down the best. My advice is to drive all three and I guarantee you will pick the Mazda. But, nice content here and thanks for your opinions.
Holy shit, I noticed that the Pilot breakdown section voice-over by Jack was AI voice generated, but didn't really lose any detail. I don't think the video is any worse for the tasteful usage to cover the gap in voice over and took me a couple rewinds to actually note.
As the owner of a 2011 Maybach, I find Mazda's CX-90 style classic and will hold well over time. Still, anyone who purchases any one of these vehicles are winners in my opinion 😊.
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Hard to believe Jack would rather drive a 911 S/T than these cheaper and more practical cars.
Yeah it is a little ridiculous how much he dislikes normal vehicles. The last video was really funny for how honest it was about his mindset.
To be fair, I get it to an extent. He's a guy with a girlfriend and nothing else to worry about. He likes performance.
I like performance but no matter what I'd still be hauling my large extended family, dogs, friends, and coworkers. That's why the next car is, preferably, going to be either an Audi A6 Allroad or an RS6. I get my performance, all of the cargo space, and plenty of room for the folks in my life.
Hatchbacks and wagons are a treasure.
Worst case scenario I settle for either a Toyota Grand Highlander hybrid or the new Land Cruiser. Toyota is offering a lot of stuff that I like.
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He's a mor. We Asians rjct him and would like to trade him for that bald dude.
@@JesusChristwhyamIsosexyYes, we do, yes, we do. 🤣
@@JesusChristwhyamIsosexyHello my other self. 😂
The Mazda looks like a completely different class of vehicle underneath. All that aero and aluminum is impressive.
People need to catch up on the times, always underestimating Mazda
@@ADUSNIt's not that people underestimate Mazda, but rather that Mazda spent its relatively (compared to the big OEMs) design and development resources on things that don't really move the needle with the average buyer in this segment. I predict that this vehicle won't significantly gain market share in this segment for Mazda. Kind of a shame but it is what it is.
@@MLHunt I’m guessing you meant to say “relatively small”. :)
@@clutch7366 just so, though the word I had in mind was "meager".
too bad its function is terrible and the tech is so awful and usability really gets on your nerves..as a current 2023 mazda owner.. it's the little things that frustrate you and nothing works. want to go unlock a door? no unlock sensors on rear doors...want to unlock just drivers door and not all? can't choose by touching the unlock sensor. and the driver's assist are "there" but just doesn't work.
Considering CX 90 is a brand new product, I love the direction they are heading. Let's face it, they aren't in the market to build boring cars. Give it a couple years to refine it. I have high hopes for them!
No hopes until they release hybrid trims.
@@Gopinathk17 PHEV version of CX 90 is already on sale. Not sure what you mean?
New product? This is the sort of argument Tesla fanboys make. Didn't think I'd hear this said about a Mazda
Refinement doesn’t matter if there is no space inside to back it up. I owned a cx9 and tested a cx90. Still small inside and not a real 3row suv. Engine wise its one of the best but the main purpose of these suvs are to carry people and cargo. That is why Mazda is lacking big time.
@@dannytu0322 I mean Mazda is still not good with hybrids, no hybrids in CX5. Their gas models are very poor with the mpgs. Also, most importantly they are lagging so much with the interior space and visibility.
But I know they are reliable and handling is good but other parameters are important too.
You are one of the few reviewers that don't give 1st place only by how quick a car is. And that my friends is refreshing. Thank you.
Im a now 38 year old Dad with two kids. I grew up with Eclipses, Hondas, and big turbo Audi/VW builds. Im in a position now where I need a hauler, but I still love cars. These videos are great. I know the Silverback himself wants RWD Euros, and they're great, but your approach to these types of vehicles are fantastic. Just because we're not driving 911's doesnt make us any less car people anymore, we still want the best possible vehicle for us as drivers and haulers. I've watched you guys for years and working from home, these Monday morning videos are a great way to start my week. Please kick around the idea of new/different merch, I'd love to continue to support this channel.
Get a subaru since you still only having two kids. 😊. But I think mazda is making cars we would all like to spend time in. I drive Toyota for peace of mind.
@@WallsCastro I agree. I am a 10 year car kind of guy. I specifically avoid the Euros because of this. Just cost to maintain and depreciation is too hard to take imo. Im still shopping sedans as well. I've been looking at the TLX and Lexus IS also. I know SG said the IS350 is a "hard sell" but my kids are 4 and 1, so a small sedan is still appropriate I believe. It'll be fun to see how this all progresses. I'm planning on an end of 2024 purchase. I love the V6 in the Lexus. I know the transmission is ancient, but as I mentioned I work remotely and only have travel one day a week. That one day is 26 miles of country roads, so I'd love something to enjoy that commute.
@@markc9949 those European cars will always give headaches. You are making a great choice. You will not go wrong with any of the options you have in lexus lineup. Luxury and fun will be up there. Your kids will have good memories with this choice.
I think having two kids below 5yo old you don't need a big hauler like Honda pilot. Sedans or crossovers like lexus RX/NX will still be enough. For fun I still recommend a lexus sedan with Natural aspirated V6 or V8 if you wanna be aggressive 😉.
With transmission, I believe fun and reliability in IS350 will be sufficient. I drove that car for few months and want it again.
Yeah @savagegeese ... Raid Shadow Legend sponsor when?!?!?!
@@WallsCastro Nope! Gone ahead and get that large hauler pal...because where there's two, there's a third sooner or later! lol
I hate when reviewers say "its not like a Porsche" or some other 6 figure car. A CX90 id probably going to be an upgrade for most people and feel amazing, people with the buying power to go German luxury aren't going down to a Mazda
You are mistaken. Many people who buy luxury cars can't afford them and many people who buy ordinary cars can afford luxury cars.
I could easily afford an X7 but got the wife the pilot elite because the ease of use. Less electronic bs for her to figure out with 2 kids...
I'm currently cross shopping an X5, Q7, and the CX90 (among others). I plan on towing my 718 GTS to the track with them. So... Don't think that's necessarily true!
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I must say, I LOVE THAT YALL REVIEW AUDIO SYSTEMS. PLEASE always include that part in most reviews.
I didn’t know how much those mattered until I was in a car with terrible audio. Worse, this was during a road trip.
Tried it all and went with Toyota hybrid max. They are more expert with boat feeling but I feel mostly the same for test driving at least… it’s not like I can go corners and full throttle with a salesman inside.. but our family loves our new Toyota and hopefully keep it for long time!🎉🎉
It’s the smart choice. If you ever get bored of it you will get a great resale price compared to the other two. On the other hand, someone buying used should look closely at the Honda which will have depreciated more (not so sure about Mazda reliability new model, their sweet spot is smaller vehicles).
After driving it Roundtrip from NY to WA. I will go with a Max at anytime. Feel, comfort level, and most definitely sound. It’s just impressive.
Mazda CX-90 for the win!! When I was looking for a 3rd row SUV, I looked at these three. The Honda Pilot was great and loved the removable 2nd row seat. HOWEVER, Honda dealers wanted a mandatory $4700 in addition add-ons!! The Grand Highlander looked very nice too but not as great as the Pilot. The main sale for me on the GH was the hybrid drive train. HOWEVER, they wanted $8k in adjustment price!!! Nope to both. Mazda gave me no add-ons or market adjustments!! I essentially got more for my car when I went with Mazda!!
I totally agree. I was able to get my Mazda for 1500.00 off MSRP.
Mazda placed LAST
@@stanmarcusgtv Did you not even read my post?!?
Hope you don’t have to replace one of the three timing belts. The front clip and motor need to be removed.
@@berto8232 if you plan to keep your car for 10 or more years, i say go with toyota or Honda products. Long term they hold value and are far more reliable than a Mazda
I got the CX-90 two weeks ago (the regular turbo). My wife and I really liked the driving dynamics of the CX-90 as we both go for a lot of road trips and it is quite a blast to drive.
Maybe I'm the minority mazda had in mind. I feel like I haven't traded in the 'fun to drive' element for the car I drive the most.
The jerky first gear is the only complaint we have so far. I think I'll have to contact Mazda for that.
The trick for first gear is you have to drive it like a dual clutch transmission. It doesn't like to creep so if you can help it or the space allows it,you need to step into the gas pedal firmly then you won't get that jerk.
Get the software update. The transmission is so much smoother now after I got mine updated.
Awaiting the CX-70 from Mazda. The 3rd row in the 90 is laughable. 😅
What’s your average mpg? How’s the soundproofing?
Yes, I learned to press gas and brake petals precisely again on CX90 to make sure my passengers enjoy the trips. Both the gearbox and istop requires good foot work, reminding me of the old days I just started driving.
However, it's quite satisfying when I drive the CX90 myself without any passengers. I also found the adaptive cruise control is reasonably smooth for daily drives with family onboard.
The more I see the CX-90's competition, the more I see how much Mazda is committed to the luxury segment. The CX-90 definitely is in that class now, the design alone shits on the competion, to include the Telluride, I believe.
Weather people want to admit it or not, IMHO a CX90 is just as nice as a MDX and a MDX is just as nice as a Q7. MDX and Q7 probs ride better than the CX90 but the CX90 seems to take the edge on handling. All comes down to personal preference.
I hope Mazda can double down and refine the vehicle as there will be a 5-door version arriving soon.
@@chrispnw2547The jury is out on whether the CX-70 will be a 5 seat CX-90 or a slightly different CX-60.
@@chrispnw2547 idk about that. The majority of people find the CX90 to be refined for the most part but they have said it doesn't ride as good as others (but it still rides good) due to being an overall sportier vehicle. I'm pretty sure Mark is the only journalist who found the CX90 to be unrefined.
Love my pp phev
I decided to get the Pilot because it has a naturally aspirated v6, the non-CVT transmission and I personally have had good luck with Honda vehicles in the past
Good choice. Pilot has better driving characteristics with Toyota-like excellent long-term reliability/reputation and higher resale values.
Same here plus the reliable and resale value is alway a plus!
I traded my 2019 honda odyssey touring with 75,000 miles $ 32,000 sweet and now I have a 2023 honda pilot elite that I love to drive more and more every day, you can't go wrong.
youre lucky, anything aisan with a v6 is garbage
Toyota’s naturally aspirated 3.5 with a 8 speed transmission is nothing that is exhilarating but definitely a reliable drivetrain
I’ve had my Pilot Trailsport since May and it’s been everything Mark and Jack talked about. It’s comfortable, the interior is intuitive, and it drives smaller than it is. I just put on some Michelin X-Ice winter tires and it’s been awesome after our recent dump of snow. I’m still not a fan of the push-button transmission and the gas mileage isn’t great, but otherwise it’s been a good family hauler.
I would still take the CX-90.😀
It's nice to see you here. I love your content. I've been watching it every now and then for years now. :)
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@eixd3396 why not 😮
The driving experience is the best on the CX90. Mazda continues to be underrated in every category. I see this chassis only getting better with age.
Why you like the crappy Mazda dealer network?
Totally honest and fair review. I test drove all these vehicles and got a CX 90. I am definitely supporting Mazda and can deal with some of the flaws and knew that going into it as a first GEN product with so many new components. Thanks for always keeping it real and being honest and fair.
As an owner of a cx90M I agree with most of your summary. It does give up some utility for improved driving dynamics but I just have two kids and I'm good with that trade-off. I think the interior is gorgeous, particularly for a car in this price point and the exterior styling and proportions have a real elegance and presence. This is a vehicle that I will look over my shoulder to check out when I walk away from it. A really good looking car. I had a 2022 Highlander prior to this and it definitely felt like more of an appliance. It also rattled like an '80s Chrysler so badly that I couldn't stand to drive it. That's why I traded it for the Mazda . The CX90 powertrain has some jerkiness which I attribute to the mild hybrid system. I'm hoping that it can be improved with software updates. But the handling and braking are excellent in my opinion. I think what your assessment misses is the exceptional fuel economy. You probably didn't put enough miles on it to get a fair evaluation on that end. But I can tell you that mine has averaged 8.5 l per 100 km over the 12000 km we've owned it. That's a legit 28mpg, and in mostly city driving. Seems like a pretty remarkable accomplishment for something that weighs 5000 lb and has 340 horsepower.
I have to add that the driver aids and driver personalization system are annoying AF. I've got them disabled.
@@taylorkingrealestate2053 the only thing I disable was the lane keep assist on my CX 50. I didn’t like the feeling of when I would want to change lanes it would try to keep me in the lane. Other than that, I don’t have too much nanny stuff going on with the safety systems on my Mazda
Always insane respect for how seriously they care about the audio manufacturers sell us in these big purchases.
Was not expecting the Pilot to do so well. But glad I watched the whole video to understand precisely why.
I was expecting this outcome, actually. Pilot is a great car, definitely the most balanced one. And if you go for the trail one, there's absolutely no competition in AWD turf, Pilot blows those two outta the water. Toyota is superb for 4x4, but their AWD systems are terrible.
@@disco.lemonadeI’d have to disagree, historically Toyota’s E-AWD was not good but their TNGA-K platform E-AWD system is just as good as an on-demand system for what most people are going to need it to do. Obviously in an off-road scenario, it’s not quite the same but it’s pretty good. TFL just did a slip test on the GH Hybrid Max, and it did excellently well. Honda’s on demand is still better just due to having the physical connection but I wouldn’t call Toyota’s terrible
@@alwaysiyi272 So it was terrible, now it's OK. Can't say excellently well, it's either well or excellent.
Just test drove the Grand Highlander Limited and the Honda Pilot Touring. The Toyota was my choice if for no other reason than the responsiveness of the engine in sport or regular drive mode. Throw in the interior dimensions and the GH was the clear winner for me. I didn’t notice that the Pilot was that much different in its handling to make it my choice. We bought the GH. (The GH has just the base engine, it’s really nice.)
Can’t find an answer to this. Does the GH have driver easy talk. Where a driver can talk to the back seat using the speakers? Not a dealbreaker but just something we were wondering
Our 2020 Highlander Platinum had it. Only used it a couple times. Not sure our Limited has it. I’ll have to check that out.
@@jeffreyprather3577 thanks. Let me know. I can’t find anywhere saying it does.
@@jamit500 that feature seems like a such a cheap gimmick. Does anyone actually use it?
You guys are still producing the absolute best content, with exceedingly high production values. Thank you, and keep it up. Personally we got a '24 Pilot Elite a couple of months ago, and still confident it was the right pick for our particular needs. Primary factors were: best AWD system (we've had 2 MDXes), lowest cost, likely durability and modest maintenance costs, not having to deal with current Toyota purchase experience (typically a nightmare). I have and will have other cars for driving dynamics; for utility for the long haul in our climate and where I like to recreate, the Pilot is the right mix.
How's the interior wind and road noise on the highway ?
Better than I expected, but it's certainly not in what I would call the "luxury" category. The acoustic glass on the upper trim levels seems to help. We had a 2008 MDX and a 2012 MDX; it's definitely quieter than both of those. I've just come to accept that Honda products have less noise dampening than other products. Haven't ever really detected any wind noise, just a low-level of road noise. @@user-yx4on8hx4w
What Toyota purchase experience are you referring to? Looking you buy right now
Nothing really weird with the dealers themselves, just the current overall constrained supply relative to the demand for Toyota products. Waits, waiting lists, "additional market adjustment" crap, and so on. Try walking into your local Toyota dealer and ask to see their selection of in-stock RAV4 Primes...@@jamit500
@@jamit500 Toyota dealers and their addendum they add on is ridiculous
The thing is that both Pilot and GH address the needs of the crowd that is out looking for a 3 row SUV with big space. Mazda I am sure will be fun to drive but most homes in US with kids would have two cars and it makes sense to have a Pilot or GH over CX90 and get a sporty car for fun driving experience. No matter how sporty CX90 is, it is still an SUV.
I am a Honda fan however I like GH better this time.
Theres enough vapid Americans to justify the need for a "sporty" 3 row like the CX90 even though its not that spacious compared to its competitors and its certainly no sports sedan let alone sports car. The engineering is impressive but only because there's enough loud/rich idiots to warrant such kind of thing. But as long it gives them money to make a miata im cool with it
I just commented something very similar not too long ago. The CX-90 is by no doubt the best to drive dynamically, but some people buying things don’t care at all, and both the Pilot and GH are better at being a 3-row family hauler
Toyota is really doing great with the newer gen vehicles (ignore their ev)
The tech and interior choices of the top Toyota like the new crown signia and GH are better than the nx and tx because they don’t go way too far with touchscreen
I feel like sportiness actually can sell crossovers. Look at BMW. The idea that the brand is sporty even if the suv is not can be appealing. However I dont think Mazda yet got that mainstream acknowledgment of being a sportier brand. So that whole aim just falls flat. Thry probably will never get it as they focus on CUVs. BMW had decades of focusing in sportier car body deisgns to build up that image.
I’m super happy with the CX-9 and recently got the CX-90 base (mild hybrid) as a loaner. My initial reaction was it was not as nimble as the CX-9, but it grew on me very quickly overall. I think there are many who enjoy the Mazda dynamics enough to pick up the only one that aimed to offer inspired driving (whether they nailed it or not). Glad Mazda offer such option in a sea of more generic alternatives. I’m enjoying every curve~
CX-90 should be more nimble than your CX-9. It’s a rear wheel platform. You’re also used to driving your cx-9.
@@ryandoe9278nah his cx9 is perfect way better handling than the crappy first gen cx90
@@ryandoe9278 I had no idea my comment got likes let alone comments.. Yes, CX-90 is RWD-based and got V6 with mild hybrid fwiw, but it just felt heavier and less nimble.
@@Andrew-pv8oz nahhhhh. I’d rip his cx-9 apart on a track. He’s used to driving his car and knows the vehicles limits. I’m not bashing his cx-9, it’s a great car and if there is nothing wrong with it, he should keep it. He’s going from a heavy front end car with a shorter wheel base. Once he gets comfortable driving a cx90, he’ll sing a different tune. I’ve driven both cars and i immediately felt the handling difference. I’ve also race my cars for 2 decades at willow springs and button willow (not the cx-90) so I can tell the difference. To the cx-9 owner, if you love your car and it’s not giving you any problems, I wouldn’t trade it for a cx-90. Hence why my get around car is a 2008 Mazda 3. I love that car and I don’t give two poops what people think about me driving it. Kept it over high end cars I’ve owned.
@@univesse in-line 6. Makes a difference in handling of the car.
32:08 After decades of fighting between the Honda Pilot and Toyota Highlander, I think the most important take away is that Honda won by making it a NA V6 with Passenger comfort focused first, instead of forcing hybrid drivetrains into every car.
LOL it's actually opposite. Toyota hybrids are now epitomy of reliability and efficiency. Honda lost this game long ago. Don't even get me started on their failing transmissions.
I can always count on these guys produce fantastic reviews. Unfortunately if you weren’t going to build from the factory the only one of these 3 cars you can find in my neck of the woods on the lot that isn’t spoken for is the CX90, which is why we picked it. Fantastic review on that car I completely agree with everything they’ve said
17,200 km trouble free on our Sumo Highlander XLE AWD with the base engine since Sept 1. No complaints so far other than the damn start/stop defaulting to on, and side winds are more noticeable on the hwy than our old '16 HL, despite it handling better. Has a larger side profile while being lighter than the old one. We are using it to carry 6-8 people everyday of the week. So far, so good. Still waiting for a hood deflector to be available, but did manage to get a hitch and 7 pin installed. It will achieve hwy fuel rating if you drive 100 km/h.
I loved the audio test segment, no one really does that. Yet it is super important.
Looks and feelings are subjective, but the Grand Highlander stands out in this crowd as the most complete package for the class.
CX-90 feels like a 3 row g37 sedan. Great idea and fun to drive just not the most family friendly 3 row. Out of the 3 rows I tested I really found this one to be fun to drive. Too many cons in terms of practically for those using this as a family car if you do have 5 or more people regularly. Additionally the mid trim premium plus trim feels cheap for materials . Pilot and GH are better as mid trims. The cx90 is awesome as a top trim but very compromised for what it does and the segment it is in.
I agree, it feels like an infiniti wagon a bit, If you can do with its compromise (like I do) its amazing.
I drove CX90 and Pilot and 100% agree with you guys. Great honest review.
I believe I may be the target audience for the Mazda honestly. I felt compelled to drive the CX-90 after your review to see how I felt about the ride myself and while firm I still felt comfortable. To me the Mazda is a no compromise vehicle for what I'm looking for. Excellent safety scores, has every single feature I could want in a vehicle plus more, very quiet inside, I can adjust all the seats to my height and fit behind myself just fine at 5'10" and I really didn't have any complaints with it including the refinement. As far as competitors, I don't trust Genesis due to Hyundai's fire history, the other Japanese offerings are good but dull by comparison, the American brands do not interest me for a variety of reasons and the European offerings cost notably more in maintenance on top of base equivalents costing the same as a fully loaded CX-90.
I'm sure if I drove it more I'd notice some weirdness when starting from a stop like many have mentioned but I keep in mind that it uses a wet clutch setup so I don't consider this a legitimate fault, but rather just a refinement thing.
My primary reason in even looking into this class of vehicle actually has nothing to do with the 3rd row, I just want something refined, all the features I'd use in a vehicle that also happens to be fun to drive all while having the ability to tow a camper. The CX-70 is due to come out soon for those without the need of a 3rd row, but seeing as it isn't out yet, the CX-90 is the next best thing. Mazda being Mazda I do hope that this new drivetrain proves to be reliable as well and while I'm confident it will be I do understand new drivetrains can take time to perfect.
Currently in a '21 WRX and while I love it, the lack of refinement can be tiring and the lack of utility means I can't even pull an ATV, nevermind a camper. Looking to buy the CX-90 or even CX-70 in a few years once things are more ironed out and hopefully I can keep the WRX as the weekend toy.
The drivetrain on the CX-90 lacks refinement, though. They say it on 33:55.
@@sarcasticundertones3513 They do, but I just didn't experience it in the one I drove. They also had a press vehicle. But even then a little lack of refinement isn't a make or break for me as long as the overall package is what I want.
Ended up going for the Pilot, just replaced my ‘17 Elite with a ‘24 Elite. 🎉 The CX-90 felt small inside (I didn’t test drive). Telluride is getting a little old now… I did consider the Lexus TX though, but price is much higher and being a new “hot” model, there’s significant dealer markup. My new Pilot is better in every way than my previous one (except fuel economy). I’m quite impressed with the handling and ride, chassis tuning is spot on.
Don’t get me wrong the CX 90 is a beautiful SUV looks very luxurious! But i would go with the Grand Highlander bc of the space behind the third row i love the outside look very boxy & simple and yet attractive to me 🙂 great video keep up the good work 👍
Would love to see baseline entry level trims tested since these are more affordable
We aged out of this segment over a decade ago. It is a sign of how good this channel is that I still find this piece interesting.
You did. We didn't.
@@GraceAloneThroughFaithAlonehe really didn’t. He just wants to appear cool.
@@DoctorSkillzyeah, my self-image is heavily dependent on the opinions of random TH-cam commenters 🙄
What’s after aging out of SUVs? Wheelchair reviews?
@@MLHuntyes and this second comment is proof. Cheers.
I have a 24 X5 m-sport and my wife has a 24 CX-90 PHEV. To my amazement, the Mazda out handles the X5. But the X5 is faster.
I have always been interested in rear seat delete options for an effective four to eight inches of cargo area ceiling height. The Mini Cooper Clubvan of a decade ago was the ultimate chicken tax of a warm (hot ?) hatch. Anyways, kudos for channelling Depeche Mode for the intro.
Don't tell me the rear seat delete Pilot is called Ridgeline.
i gotta start using warm hatch now
Mini Coopers are a hidden gem in this age of big, bloated, disposable computer loafs on wheels. I wouldn't own another, but they are fun and still relatively affordable.
thats what the upcoming passport and cx70 are going to be
@@12ealDealOfficial Except they aren't so mini anymore. We traded in our 09 clubman S for our CX-9 when the kids outgrew it. The news ones are just as big as a HRC/CRV!
We have a 22 MDX ASpec and really love it for what it is. If the Pilot were around, I would have gone for that if this has the exact same AWD set up which I think it does. Sometimes I push ours like an idiot and in wet/snowy conditions that AWD system is amazing. 22k miles and beyond the new transmission very early on, it’s been flawless.
Wow, Beyond the new transmission.. Lol
Wow, only a transmission. If this was a Domestic or German product, you would not say it’s just a minor thing. Interesting.
@@cargueone1971 It was almost right away so guessing it was a defective unit from the get go. I have had atleast 25 BMW’s, 5 Porsches and 5 VW’s, so over a third of my cars have been German. The about 5 Corvette, a Chevy SS, two Mustangs, 84 Ranger, my current 2011 Raptor and a 78 Cutlass and my first car was a 80 Pontiac Sunbird, so I do not discriminate. That said, the MDX is one of the cars I have owned for the most mileage and am pretty smitten with it’s reliability vs some of the German stuff. though my 04 BMW ZHP gave me zero issues in 32k miles, so I guess it takes the reliability crown.
@@clubracer6 Ur pretty well versed then u could say. I'm always iffy if I were to recommend/buy a euro brand besides maybe Porsche (every car can have their fair share of problems). Recently, someone Ik owns a '18 Q7 and all of a sudden he experienced like 4/5 different pretty major mechanical issues (leakage, engine issues..). *After* the warranty expired ofc..
@@cyanprince00 There is always some risk you need to manage with a German car out of warranty!
I'm usually a Lexus / Toyota guy, and I like Mazdas, but I love the new Pilot and appreciate that it has a NA V6 and Honda's version of SH-AWD.
I've owned a CX-90 plug-in since September. The software quirks are real, but each update is an improvement. Mine was manufactured in August, and most of the glitches had already been addressed. I've had one momentary thud from the drive train while accelerating at slow speed, which has never been duplicated. I have no idea what that was all about. Where the CX-90 excels is the ride and comfort. This is a replacement for my wife's Volvo XC-90, and the improvement in ride and handling is substantial. I love driving it, and longer trips are a breeze. It's a keeper.
Love mine too! I've got the 6 but its only because I couldn't plug it in. No one makes a good wagon anymore except Volvo so I went with the SUV that could drive like a sporty wagon instead.
So you feel the ride and handling of the CX-90 is better than the Volvo XC90? could it be because you might have had and older model XC90?
@@raghuram2815 My opinion of this car has evolved. We got my wife's Volvo XC-90 new, and we both say the CX-90 has better handling & ride. However, it hasn't been problem free, including the replacement of the water heater that is causing the "Hybrid Malfunction" error. And more recently the "Telematics" error. They've got some bugs to work out, but it's a promising vehicle.
These are definitely the best choices in the 3 row segment. I went regular highlander. I don't need the boat of the GH. I did seriously consider a Pilot. But my prior interactions with Honda were quite poor, and the units available at the dealer had some QC issues (this was 2-5 months after their release). I've had plenty of Mazda's and I really wanted to do a 90, but like Mark said. I need a 3 row for a 3 row. The Highlander just did it better. Perhaps when money frees up ill give the Highlander to wife and grab a 90 for myself.
Had same experience with Honda dealer in the DMV area yesterday. Awful to say the least.
@@victormoreno2767 I'm in SC PA, friend has been in DE for a few years. My experiences mirror his. They'll bend over backward to sell you one. Have a problem? It's like Apple - baseless acquisitions, you're using it wrong, ect.
The highlander has a smaller 3 row than the cx90, its on the level of a Sorento. Not sure why you are knocking the Cx90 for its third row.
Super confusing on how you think a Highlander does a third row better than... well anything else
@@th003g it’s not specifically the 3 row aspect. I’ve had mine used 2 times in the 8 months I’ve owned it. I’m talking more of a family vehicle.
I considered all three when choosing my company car and ended up with the cx90 with the weaker version of i6.
It’s a great vehicle if you treat it like a two row suv and i love the way it drives and handles crosswinds at highway speeds, and i would say the powertrain is pretty darn smooth when you’re not revving it past 4000rpm.
Its outstanding looks inside and out definitely makes it special compared to the others, and I dont even mind the less space and cubbies. It’s still more spacious than my 4runner which i use for a family of 3
My 3 favorite SUV brands. Pilot is my pick, but I really want hybrid mpgs. Maybe a discounted used cx90 would work.
I’ll give Honda, Toyota, and Mazda credit. All three of these have pleasing exterior designs. As opposed to bizarro ones like the Lexus RX. The Grand Highlander’s grille is kinda ugly, but not as ugly as other Toyota & Lexus products.
These are big, tall vehicles and trying to make them swoopy just doesn’t work aesthetically.
The pilot looks like it was designed in 1998
@@MikeForsythe So do high end cars like Mercedes, BMW, and Audi. But they look classic and timeless, unlike Toyota/Lexus grilles and Hyundai/Kia origami. But as they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
@@OldRustySteele that’s so off base not even funny. Honda are either bland, ugly or both. Pilot is no exception.
I bought a GR Corolla and leased a CX-90 PHEV. The fact I do the opposite of their recommendations is becoming a badge of honor. 😂
Pilot is perfect for its target audience. It could be the last 3 row SUV with a V6.
Nissan pathfinder
But not the last 6 cylinder and not the last V8
perfect audience as is wants just about the worst vehicle in class?
@@MikeForsythe the pilot looks good it’s spacious inside fun to drive thanks to the fast shifting 10 speed and borrowing Acuras sh awd system
@@naveenthemachine literally no review says that including this one lol. It has space is boring to drive and look at
CX-90 looks and feels more special especially on the interior and in the lighter colors. For me it fails in what it’s supposed to be as a 3 row people mover due to its poor space utilization in the 2nd & 3rd rows. . It probably feels the most athletic of the trio. I love what the Pilot does with the middle seat in the 2nd row but it doesn’t feel special at all. I’m happy to see that they’re not limiting customers to 6 seats on top trim models. It was so uninspiring that I didn’t even test drive it once I sat inside. The Grand Highlander from a people mover perspective is what all of the others in the segment should target for their space utilization. The interior presents as confident. It’s not as bland as the Pilot nor is it as premium looking as the CX-90. How did the standard Highlander even get into the conversation? That third row is only for packages and people sitting on their knees. There are probably many enthusiast parents that will find themselves in a 3 row and want to step it out a little. If it’s in your blood it’s in your blood right? 👍.
Mazda has chronic problem with poor space utilization. You hear that comment for virtually every Mazda from every reviewer. Very nice cars to look at and drive, but practicality isn't their forte.
I would still take the CX-90. Would make me feel a lot less that I gave up my life for the kids.
They ruin everything!
Or you could get a used Pilot and get a used Corvette or Boxster. Your wife can drive the Pilot and you can drive the sports car.
Whats wrong with giving something up for your kids.
Used minivan is the ultimate family hauler. We just need to swallow our collective pride and admit that giant SUVs are not the answer.
@@OldRustySteele Or a CX-90 and a Miata for maximum zoom-zoom.
Such a relevant review. I know these are boring vehicles, but I can't help but appreciate it.
Flashing Eurobeat AND Rush on the infotainment? Truly the most cultured automotive channel on TH-cam.
In my garage I have a '16 MX-5 and a '16 Jaguar F-type 3.0S manual transmission coupe. I look at the drivetrain of the CX-90 and think that the bones are there to make a really interesting sports/GT car.
Honda truely are masters at drivetrain/chassis dynamics, and they grasp the balance between driving engagement and refinement the best.
I would take the hit on the somewhat boring exterior/interior any day.
Blah blah blah
Owner of a cx90. Agree storage is limited. However I've never had my phone come off of the charger, and unlike Toyotas wireless charger the cx90s actually works. Also to say the Grand Highlander has a better infotainment system than the cx90 is absurd. As a service advisor for Toyota, it's hard for me to recommend any new Toyotas..
I still think it's interesting that you guys haven't touched on the Subaru Ascent. I sold them for several years and liked them quite a lot, despite the CVT. I and others would surely be interested on your take.
You guys explain things so well. I learned a lot in this video. You are objective and honest, unlike other reviewers which I feel are so afraid to say negative things about a certain brand.
Thank you. As we all go through different phases in life this is the most valuable type video I could have asked for.
I’m actually a buyer watching comparisons and reading reviews before I made my final decision regarding the Honda Pilot.
We had the passport elite, which I really liked except for the shift buttons, (which I never ever get used to).
We liked the approach of your common sense review.
Have a grandbaby coming in March which is a concern, but don’t want to look too much like a grandparent lol…
Building my pilot now!
All The Best,
Guy
I can't believe I'm going to watch a 38-minute video on 3-row crossovers. 🙈
CX-90 . Now that bald guy has a reason to finally look for a wife and kids. He's in denial.
It's important that people understand this : everybody saying that GH is the biggest among the three but it's questionable .
GH total passenger volume is 148.8 Cubic feet to 153.3 Cubic feet VS Pilot 158.4 Cubic feet.
In addition, we have GH cargo volume behind the 3rd row 20.6 Cubic feet VS Pilot 18.6 Cubic feet.
So as you can see, Honda pilot has overall bigger passengers volume and only 2 Cubic feet less in term of cargo capacity behind 3rd row.
That being said, the GH looks taller but it's only from exterior prospective, but when it comes to interior volume, the pilot is bigger for about 5 Cubic feet.
Definitely agree with the viewpoint on these vehicles. Wondering if the CX-90 issues would bother me as much as it did you all. But yea, my sister has the MDX Type S and that TVDiff is soooo good.
I have the same diff in my wife’s Passport and it’s astonishing in mountain twisty roads.
@@jaynuckIt is good, but passport doesn’t have that diff. Still last generation. The iVTM diff is new on this Gen Pilot and MDX.
@@upshifter5316 interesting, I was under the impression the iVTM4 was the newest generation?
Going from a Mercedes E350 Wagon to a Mazda CX-9 I’ve been very happy. If I needed a new car today I would probably go for the CX-90. I’m the 40+ year old dad who likes to get the rear end of a car to break loose, but I know I’ve given up practically. I really appreciate these videos.
I have a 2014 Pilot and this new pilot gives me 0 reasons to quote un quote upgrade to the newer model. I genuinely wish Honda had made it hybrid with the v6 to get better fuel economy.
I love the way the cx90 looks but unfortunately it’s not ready for mainstream so that’s out.
The grand highlander makes boat like waves and I have kids that get car sick easily so that’s out.
So of these three I will keep my 2014 pilot. Thanks for the video as always.
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@@bradIeyscarreviews Such an eloquent response, your parents must be so proud.
@@CruiseControl1his parents must be very proud of him being an impersonator of me…
@@CruiseControl1 Do not buy kia or hyundai. They will BOOM 💣💣💥💥
So what car would you get next if… say you lost your 2014 Pilot?
Pilot is a really good happy compromise. And decently priced. Easy win and indeed best three row SUV on the market now.
I dont believe the Mazda's inline 6 sounds anywhere nearas good as a BMW inline 6, but it definitely sounds unique for the class. That being said im a Honda guy who owns a V6 Honda and absolutely loves it. My pick is The Honda Pilot.
We're approaching the end of our lease with the cx9 and while we liked it, I can't see getting another Mazda. Loved the nimble handling, confident brakes, decent supportive seats, decent stereo. The safety systems/electronics continue to throw alerts often and we've had a limp home mode trigger a few times that have necessitated 2 trips to the dealer to hopefully resolve. Ours came with a 3/36 warranty. That is not acceptable. This car needs a 4/50 warranty to provide more confidence and to cover what are unresolved problems. Maybe this is how many modern cars are due to turbo engines and sensors/cameras, but it's not executed properly here.
Interesting. Our 2019 CX9 has been great, with the exception of the terrible infotainment
@@bandombeviews6035 IIRC, 2020 was when Mazda implemented carplay and Android auto. It makes a big difference.
How's the creaks and rattles? Wear and tear?
@@marklion315 no creeks or rattles and seat wear is minimal. The structure of the car is great. The safety systems are annoying.
Welcome to the first lease of the rest of your life 😅😅😢😢 this is how all vehicles are now unfortunately
We own a previous gen Highlander and I've test driven a couple of CX90s on a closed course. I've never been in a Pilot. The CX90 is definitely a car you buy with your heart because it's as close to a sports car as a 3-row can get. Our Highlander couldn't be farther away from that; it actually handles sort of bad. Not terrible, but definitely disappointingly, especially in limited traction, or more spirited...no. not spirited...in an angry fashion. It doesn't handle changing directions very well and takes the time it takes to translate your inputs to outputs. Oddly enough, that's something my wife likes, and we went with the Highlander for many reasons. But if you enjoy driving, the CX90 is a FAR better choice. I like Honda's J35, but styling-wise, the previous gen Pilot was pretty ugly. This one is much nicer.
...that said, I absolutely love our Highlander and it'll outlast a Mazda. Any Mazda. Sadly. I wish Mazda build more resilient cars because our climate sucks, our kids have no mercy and I can't keep family haulers in showroom condition. My two current Mazdas need to be given the ultimate princess treatment to last the test of time.
This is follow up I’ve been waiting for! Thank you gents 🎉 not sure why Mark and Jack say we enthusiast dads are not going to yaw out the CX90 MHEV Turbo? It’s the sportiest choice here and I bought one after test driving them all including the Korean twins. The CX90 now at 1500 miles has had small issues (recalls on trans logic, service bulletin to front suspension, and a heat sensor tuning update) all have aided the short comings tremendously. The new trans logic update helps the 1-2 jerky jerky tremendously. To add if you are in to making this the three row project car. Tuning exists for more boost maps, I did a custom Borla performance exhaust and intake, down pipe will make the pull even better. I love it. Thanks guys im a father with 5 kids and need the three row but will not go coffin style with selling my performance soul. Also I have a ZO6 in the garage Jack 🤙for the weekends
Bro just installed a performance exhaust on a three row commuter suv 😂
@@waitingforcivictyper😂why not just get a Durango SRT or something at that point lol
Easy choice: Mazda Cx-90.
I finally drove the Cx 90 for a few days, and it's amazing. The handling is really, really good compared to the other 2.
Rear wheel drive is the best
Bought the Honda pilot touring after Toyota dealership were playing around and I am so happy!! Awesome suv. One best I ever drive!! Best looking suv well appoint for 50k!!! Pano roof, 11 speaker Bose system, nav, heated seats, and tons of other features and this uses ultra strength steel in its construction so very strong and feels luxurious !!
Great Comparison, Mr. Goose.
The Mazda build quality is near Lexus at this point. Recently detailed a new 2023 CX-5 and I was amazed, it's almost a True Luxury car.
Honda is the clear winner, just objectively it hits all the "Family Talking Points"
Mazda is the enthusiast option
Toyota is Brand Loyalty and old rep alone, the Honda will last just as long and be just as trouble free
Goodluck with Mazda and Honda auto transmissions lol
@@andersonrodriguez825810SP Honda has been killer
I've been considering the Mazda CX-90, but after diving into customer reviews, it seems there are a lot of issues with this model. Additionally, it's worth noting that the CX-90 has had 7 recalls in the last 6 months alone.
Yea I agree - that’s why I’m buying a 2025 CX90. With that said it seems like every vehicle is having recalls 😂 Crazy times with reliability.
Smart man, resale value is garbage
Jack is an amazing presenter, but mark is closer to the same "point in life" I'm at, you know that point where this is what you're really lusting for.
Really surprised that the Toyota was quicker than the Mazda. For my money, the rock solid dependability of the Honda's naturally aspirated V-6 along with their excellent in-house 10 speed makes the Pilot the one to buy.
The J-series motors are absolutely tanks, and so simple compared to today’s world of turbos and hybrids. The motor was a huge driver in selecting a Passport for our family SUV.
They're comparing the Hybrid Max to the wrong model. The CX-90 PHEV is faster to 60 than the Inline 6 Turbo.
The Pilot is the one because of the packaging. It's just hyper practical with ridiculous amounts of storage both for large items like luggage and strollers in the cargo area, and everyday items like phones, hydro flasks, diaper bags, and sunglasses in the zillion convenient compartments in the passenger areas. We got one after cross shopping the other two cars here and the MDX and decided we were willing to give up the luxe features for a hyper practical family hauler. We don't regret it.
@@jaynuckIf you keep it long term and drive a lot, maintenance cost has to be taken into the consideration. It’s a thirsty engine and needs timing belt and valve adjustment closer to 100k miles which is roughly $1500 job at the dealer.
@@FirstHandLLCto be fair I love the cx90 but it's incredibly complex. A timing belt that's meant to be changed is actually a good thing. Especially considering a lot of cars with timing chains that are supposed to be life time were set up without service in mind.
First off, Savagegeese is the best auto content out there right now; honest and entertaining analysis of the vehicles they get to test, and clearly not dependent upon manufacturer support (which then tints reviews one way or another). Bravo Mark and Jack!
I've loved my 8 year old CX-5, and have become a Mazda convert... but with two kids, a dog, and a new (to me) fishing boat to haul around, this 3 row segment is what I've started reviewing at this point. I've driven the CX-50 turbo and really liked it; while it may able to handle the boat for shorter trips, the 3500lb tow rating gives me pause. Add in the additional space for kids and expanded ability to haul stuff inside the cabin along with the 5000lb tow capacities, and the 3 rows seem to be the direction to go. I had high hopes for the Mazda, but between SG's original review, this head-to-head-to-head comparison, and the Car Care Nut's review of the CX-90's mechanicals/maintenance/repair aspect... and well, I think I have to cross it off my list. Like Mark said, it seems like they took it out of the oven too soon... I'm guessing that's why the CX-70 has been delayed as a result.
At this point, I think I'm down to the Pilot or CX-50; I don't need the size of the Grand Highlander, and really don't want the wallowy handling/ride (which I've heard is also an issue with the Telluride/Pallisade).
Helpful video for us folks who are shopping in this segment. Long time subscriber. Thanks Mark.
Nissan really kickstarted something with making the pathfinder back into that boxy truck-like style. Literally every other japanese and some American company followed suite with that. And i think its a good look.
I compared these 3, along with other 3 rows, when deciding on my wife’s upgrade to a family hauler 3 row. I was looking to buy for long term use, 200k+ miles. I share the same opinions with you guys.
The CX-90 is the sexiest and was very tempting. But being a first year of a LOT of new things mechanically kept me away. That plus how small it is inside.
The Grand Highlander was definitely the biggest inside, though not by a huge amount compared to the Pilot. It had a bigger infotainment than the Pilot which was cool. But man does it looks boring especially from the outside. Also a 4 cylinder turbo on a big family hauler doesn’t sit well with me for long term use. The main reason I avoided it was because the markups were insane in my area (New York). $5k was the lowest, most were closer to $10k. That’s just insane and killed the value proposition for this car.
The Pilot was a sleeper hit for me. I didn’t know much about the new generation before looking for this upgrade. Much bigger and better looking than the previous version. Ditching the crappy 9 speed for the 10 speed. Still a NA V6. All the features I wanted. Mainly having a bench in the top trims (which I wanted badly). None of the other 3 rows had that besides the boats like an Expedition or Tahoe. The Pilot fit the bill for everything I wanted while being reliable, not expensive to fix and good looking. The driving experience was surprisingly good and with a black exterior it really looks sharp.
I avoided anything American, European and Korean due to long term reliability and/or maintenance costs. Options from Lexus and Acura were much smaller inside. Used for similar or less money I was missing out on a lot of features I wanted and most older options are much smaller inside.
The new Pilot Elite was the winner for me. Super practical, still really nice and something my wife can drive worry free for a long long time.
Just get a van.
@@charliesmash assume you mean mini van? Nah. Ugly, usually no AWD, and low ground clearance. No thanks much happier with my SUV
Would love to see the comparison between the three big barges: grand highlander, traverse, and atlas
Would be a bloodbath for all but the Toyota
I'm 6'4". We tried test driving the CX-90 and it was impossible for me to get in the driver's seat. Although I'm admittedly fairly big, the issue was a complete lack of legroom for tall drivers. Very happy with the 2022 Pathfinder we ended up buying.
You Americans are freaks.
I expected no less from a company who makes championship winning F1 engines. XD
Loved the Shoppe segment. The music and the transitions over mecanical parts were straight out of a Forza game. Truly amazing !
Grrat work. Please keep the sound testing. I care and like that segment.
I'll skip the CX-90. Why? Smaller than average cargo space. The timing chains are on the back of the engine. The strut tower braces take up too much room under the hood. Thus, making it damn near impossible to work on. The electric motor is under-powered. It's just enough to barely keep the engine running for a brief period. If my '18 Pathfinder could have made it to the Honda dealer, but they had no Pilot's. The CVT was going out and I got the '23 Pathfinder and it's a huge improvement. A little quirky and it's an electronic overkill on the safety systems. I'm living with it.
Great review. You guys nailed it. As much as I love my CX90 PHEV, the day to day short comings are annoying. I bought it for the handling, aesthetics, PHEV (averaging 900 miles per tank) and exclusivity (Honda Pilots and the H/K twins are everywhere). My 2 biggest gripes are the lack of storage and the harsh ride on longer trips.
The kids are older so they travel with a water, phone, maybe a backpack so we don’t needs tons of nooks and crannies but a phone and a water is pretty much all each occupant can have. Storage is literally that horrible for such a large car.
On longer trips the firm ride gets obnoxious. The CX90 NEEDS active dampers.
The lack of premium features (compared to the Telluride and Palisade) and how they’re packaged is a ding. There are some cost cutting trims bits that also detract from the ownership experience.
Despite all this, I really do like the CX90. It’s unique in the market and has a premium look to it. At over 2,000 miles it’s been running flawlessly. Maybe I’m lucky in that regard or have a later production model. Down the road, I’m confident it’ll be more reliable than the German competition.
Just found this superior team of reviewers. Love the intelligent humor. You should be regulars on Saturday Night! Great in-depth reviews. Thanks…
Excellent video. This review has convinced me to go with the Pilot. We currently have a 14 accord and it has be super reliable.
Just get a van.
I drove all three and many more and decided to go with Mazda CX-90. The drive ,handling, dynamics. The Mazda won my heart.
Too bad you missed the sweet spot, the GH hybrid with optioned AWD. You were dismissive of the CVT which is not some snowmobile anarchism but a very sophisticated planetary gear system that uses a second electric motor to keep RPMs optimal for the Atkins cycle, uber efficient and reliable 4 banger. The AWD option, at $1600, is a bargain adding electrically modulated rear wheel torque from a third motor that is transformative to the handling and does not stress the loafing ICE engine. Toyota genius that sets the bar.
But the eAWD isn’t as capable as you’d think .
I have tested all three and bought the Highlander 2 weeks ago. Everything was better on the Highlander
The 2 of you would probably would take the mazda cx90 when driving about in a large city or city driving. I have had my cx90 for 3 months now and the initial jerkiness is gonein my car after about 2 weeks of driving You dont have to drive to car hard to enjoy it. Its very quiet and nimble when cruising and wakes up when you put it in sports mode. Best of both worlds. About about a month, it drives way better. No competition.
The CX-90 is the only one that is good to drive, and the interior in the Premium Plus is gorgeous. I drove the Pilot and would not in a million years prefer that over the CX-90.
That thin clunky aluminum hood bouncing around on the highway really pisses me off.... So does their thin tinny sounding doors when you close them. Do better Toyota.
I bought a PIlot Elite about 10 days ago and really love it. This surprises me, coming from my BMW 5 series, but I needed an SUV and didn't want to spend the money (and repairs) on an X5. The Pilot just does everything right for this segment. There are compromises in acceleration but I don't really drive like that. The everyday conveniences just work and I keep finding new things that are even better. It's a good, reasonable choice for everyday hauling of grandkids and larger items. I would love the CX-90 to be be better but too many problems at this point for me.
Disclaimer. I'm a Mazda fan-boy and own a 2023 CX-5 Signature. I think your assessment of the CX-90 is spot on. I briefly drove a lower trim CX-90 while getting the CX-5 serviced, and as soon as I closed the driver side door, I could tell it was not up to the level of my CX-5. I think "tinny" is a great description of what the door feels like when it closes. Closing the door on the CX-5 is solid and refined. I absolutely did not like the drive train. It does not compare well at all to the CX-5 which seems to me to be ultra refined. From the transmission to well of effortless torque, the CX-5 is so well done, so polished, it made the CX-90 seem cheap when driving it. This interior space, while looking great, barely felt any bigger than my CX-5. I was expecting a bit more room in the driver position, but if anything, it felt like a little less. And Mazda won't let you have a second row bench seat in any higher trim level. For me, it must have a bench because the third row just isn't great for adults. They didn't give the higher trim levels enough power. My CX-5 will run circles around it as well as out dragging it. And finally, you guys nailed it on useable storage... or lack thereof. That annoys me on my CX-5 and I found it very disappointing that the CX-90 doesn't have any more useful storage than my CX-5 does. Sad. Love the open honest reviews guys. Without them manufactures have less incentive to improve their products.
Own a Grand Highlander Hybrid Max Platinum and the review they provided is right on the money. I needed a big 3rd row SUV so I’ll drive that boat Grand Highlander for now. I would Definitely watch their reviews before I upgrade to a future SUV.
The exact video I’ve been waiting for. Thanks geese
I own a cx90 top trim, drove the Honda and Toyota, it is hands down the best. My advice is to drive all three and I guarantee you will pick the Mazda. But, nice content here and thanks for your opinions.
Holy shit, I noticed that the Pilot breakdown section voice-over by Jack was AI voice generated, but didn't really lose any detail. I don't think the video is any worse for the tasteful usage to cover the gap in voice over and took me a couple rewinds to actually note.
I noticed it right away. It sounds a lot more realistic than the earlier AI Jacks but the way AI Jack uses pauses in his sentences gives it away.
Kind of insane how close it comes with just some minor cadence issues
Disagree that the touch and feel of the Mazda interior is lacking. Mazda nails this and everything you touch and feel is so satisfying.
Great video. Can you please do grand highlander vs sienna and pilot vs odessey ?
As the owner of a 2011 Maybach, I find Mazda's CX-90 style classic and will hold well over time. Still, anyone who purchases any one of these vehicles are winners in my opinion 😊.
1. Pilot - Home run in every category
2. Grand Highlander - Big Ship ride
3. CX-90 - Looks great inside & outside
All are great SUV’s 😊
Home run in every category except sound.
@@rochelelkayam5652 - BOSE sound system is Phenomenal