PLEASE READ: I made two kinda big mistakes in this video. Read below: It came to my attention that I didn't calculate the percentage at the end correctly. It should be 1.8%, not 0.018%. Also, I included Zoroaster and Buddha in the "Ancient Deities" section. I meant to include them with the other figures merely as examples of persons prior to Jesus that were revered in similar ways. I didn't mean to say that they were worshipped as deities. Apologies for that. I should have labelled that section differently to avoid the confusion. Thanks to all who pointed these out. :)
Julian, here is the artificial Great Divide between all religions and all men. Because, THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. And no matter how men might try to define GOD, this doesn't change the fact that GOD IS WHAT GOD IS! "I AM THAT I AM." And I happen to be the prophesied return of the biblical prophet Elijah. Once you know exactly WHAT GOD IS, you will begin to know what YOU are and what "satan" is. And all of this makes perfect sense once you know the best-kept secret in this entire world of limitation - which is, THE REASON WHY YOU ARE EXPERIENCING IT. "Truth is simple," says GOD. And, through Yours Truly, this information has been condensed into a tiny inspired book that one can read online (at no cost) in about FIVE MINUTES. All important mysteries have been revealed in these "end times," which are the birth pangs of the Second Coming of Christ, which involves the awakening of the Christ within YOU. If you want to know more, "seek and ye shall find."
"it seems unreasonable for God to have shown up 2,000 years ago and not in the modern day when we can just take a video of him." What they call the "modern day" in the sense required is a RESULT of Christendom, and it took 1600 to 2000 years to do it. In the mid teen hundreds a fundamental change took place catalyzed by 3 big changes that happened almost at the same time. The Protestant Reformation, the printing press and the firearm. The first two were connected directly with Christianity (first big printing was the Gutenburg Bible) directly and the last two indirectly through the breakthroughs in what came to be known as "science" (and its symbiote: technology), an outgrowth of the Christian outlook on the world. Protestantism created the modern libertarian west. We (Protestants) ended slavery; implemented religious freedom, political freedom, academic freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press FIRST, and thus caused the academic, scientific, technological, and material progress that followed; and most of the rest of the world hasn't caught up with it yet. John 8:32 "You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free. There was about a 200 year window of time, starting in the Victorian era and ending as we speak where the technology and mores of the West collaborated to give truth the advantage in the society over lies and error. There was a holdover of Victorian sensibility in general and specifically in the ideals of scholarship, journalism, and statesmanship. Cheap books (via printing and industrial methods) disseminated knowledge and the technologies of photography, sound recording, and their successors cinema, television, and even digital media at first made it easy to portray certain aspects of truth, and difficult to falsify them. (Not impossible, Dan Rather in his reporter days routinely staged scenes and passed them off as candid news clips, and the "60 Minutes" "news documentary series" routinely edited interviews to distort the meaning and context of interviewee replies, but acting and editing aside the tech and society still favored truth.) This window is now closing as moral integrity in our institutions erodes and the tech begins to favor fakery (CGI, Deep Fake, AI generated video). Even Photo Shop did not exist in the '50s. The original version came out in 1988. Before the 80s there were no computers capable of remotely significant digital image processing and we didn't have photorealistic CGI until the 90s. But anyway, if God had just waited a few thousand years He still wouldn't have found such a window of time as the "New Atheists" claim to prefer.
What always gets me is that 500 people said they saw Jesus post-resurrection.. and testified under the threat of death. What would they have to gain, to risk their lives on a lie? Nothing. The answer is nothing. They had nothing to gain by testifying that Jesus lives, and they had everything to lose. That is a weighted testimony.
Use that for Jesus as well, what reason would a man have to claim to be the son of God and not profit from it, not seek wealth or power, what reason would Jesus have to continue to claim to be the son of God and not profit off of it after he was told they would kill him for it, what reason would that man have to willingly give up his life to the people who wanted him dead and not resist, not only that, but pray for them and forgive them. No human being is that good, no human being would do any of that, at some point along a humans' journey, we would falter, or curse those who curse us, but not him, not Jesus, our lord, our God & our savior. God relegated himself to a man and paid the price we could not afford, all for his glory, all because he loved us, that's the reason a man would have, to claim to be the son of God and not profit from it
imagine living in that short period in which all the previous religions stood before you, everyone around you was a devout believer in some god and you yourself were swayed in as well, while prophets around you interpret the word of their gods and preach of their destinies in heavens. The hype itself would make something happen just so that people wouldn't get depressed en masse about the nature of reality and their part in it. There are reasons well beyond personal gain for those people to lie under the threat of death. There is also no way to prove who said what, who heard what and who wrote what.
If jesus was god him self and he sacerficed him self. Would that just mean he is sorry he fed up humans so badly. Cause you really should look at them.
Why is the One who gave you life and freedom responsible for what you chose to do with it? He went through that to rescue us in spite of the various ways we have abused our freedom.
Jesus killed himself for the sins of the people of his time. He has nothing to do with anything we do now. If I committed a crime he's not going to come of of nowhere and crucify himself all over again just to die for my sin. He doesn't care about any of us. He's already dead
Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins.... yet there are sinners even among rhe Christians. Does it mean, the Christians sins are all totally forgiven since they believe in Jesus and even goes ro Church? And that only those who are not Christians, no matter how wonderful and good the person is, will surely end up in Hell?
@@eric.1948 You are right God was sorry for humanity, but he is sorry because of what we've become, and sorry that he needs to wipe them in the time of Noah Gen 6:7. But why did he come to sacrifice himself? In John 15:13 Jesus states that the greatest love that someone can show is to sacrifice your life for your friends, so he did. To show that even with our sins, even if we hardened our hearts to the point that God needs to wipe us all, he still has great love for us. But why wipe us and send sinners to hell if he loves us? Because God in the Bible cannot contradict his attribute for it is eternal, and one of his attributes is Justice, he needs to practice it in order to fulfill his duty. But hell in the Bible is actually a second death, which means you won't exist anymore. It was described as "outer darkness and blazing fire" that was made for the fallen angels. That description actually matches the visuals of a Black Hole, and some theories states that black holes collapse informations of a matter, and holds it in for eternity. And some theory states that if you make the universe as old as it can be, only black holes would exist for it would've absorbed all the matter and energy left in the universe. That's maybe why in the BIBLE it was revealed that the paradise Jesus has prepared for us is like a new earth where no death and temptation exist. Maybe that paradise would be made in a new universe, with new laws of physics, mathematics and logic etc.
Which particular denomination or church in Christianity demonstrates perfection? Obviously, Christianity has been successful, but so has Islam, and perfection is hardly a quality that comes to mind in these patriarchal and divisive religions. Does perfection require the carrot and stick approach, ie believe in this and you will receive the ultimate reward, don't believe and you will be tortured for eternity?!
@@93Current It's not about perfection interms of making a religion known it's how God chooses to make himself known denominations of Christians are based off Biblical interpretation which is God's word protestant which Iam hold God's word to the highest degree Islam on the other hand destroys the timeline by saying that God would go through all that trouble just to bring a servant instead of himself than just so his words could get corrupted You cannot use a cult to judge God nor a denomination its best to look at your own relationship with him and in that sense it's best to just read the Bible Denomination tends to be for fellowship and social benefits more than anything else
@@93Current >>>> I heard an old priest in the Catholic church I grew up in (Greek {Byzantine} Catholic/ Ruthenian Rite) that gave an Easter sermon one year THAT EXPLAINED EXACTLY WHY and HOW Yashua y Meshiah would come to Earth. Because IF these so-called "brilliant" skeptics and ARROGANT FOOLS were told that God...THE CREATOR of the Universe and ALL the LAWS of physics and science that make EVERYTHING function.....they would have arguments and wars as to who, where and how the Son of God would be born?!!! And all sorts of dignitaries and committees and whatever parades and celebrations they would put on.....INSTEAD.....GOD....THE ALL POWERFUL CREATOR of the universe...DECIDED to Birth His Son in a lonely cold dark dank dirty stable (probably a cave-type shelter built against the hillside as was a customary simplest rudimentary shelter for livestock).....WITHOUT any fanfare or recognition except those who would be REVERENT to His birth among us. The animals were his witness and the poor dumb dirty outcast shepherds who had to sleep out amongst the sheep under the cathedral of the stars of Heaven. THAT is WHY and HOW Jesus of Nazareth came to us......The MEEKEST of the Meek.....The MOST HIGH GOD did NOT need to show off His Power......he is so secure in His Power that He even gave each of us a tiny "seed"...of faith, "that whosoever would believe would have everlasting Life with Him!!"
Im a christian but my favorite kind of preaching involves using maps and charts, idk why im like this but i grew up as an athiest but this kind of stuff really convinced me to believe before i got into the philosophy and love of it all. When i was a kid and people talked to me about God and religion using emotional appeal it always turned me off from it because it registered as "illegitimate" in my mind
As a scientist and engineer myself, the more I learn of the physical universe, the MORE I AM CONVINCED...GOD IS REAL....and if so....WHY would I not want to get to have a connection to Him? I have read and studied every religion and philosophy known and there is NONE that explains the universe and God and man's existence as the Bible does! I used to say that the Bible is the last thing people read before they jump off the cliff. People are so reticent to read it...because WHY? WHY are you afraid to read a Book? There are TWO PARTS to the BIBLE.....The BLACK PART and the WHITE PART....just read the black part and don't worry about the White part. By the time you finished reading the entire black part in The Book....you'll start to get the White part. And don't fret, you have an entire lifetime, and possibly maybe eternity to get the White part. He even promised He would tell you it Himself!
We all come to Christ differently. Prophecy and astronomy led me to Christ. When I was just being dragged to church I didn't want anything to do with it. But the evidence is impossible to ignore and when you meet Jesus it's impossible to forget!
@@josephcernansky1794 Man's mind doesn't have any idea how much time we have, not even THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. HE HIMSELF warned to this end. Don't be complacent to accept THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS THE SAVIOUR as there is NO WAY TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO HAS SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT SO EVERYONE can potentially be saved.
Ya it really helps to see things laid out. Is this proof of God. Well no... But that is an awful big coincidence... You get enough "awful big coincidneces" and the odds start to be come stacked in Gods favor...
The God of Israel is also verifiably the "oldest" god to still be widely worshiped today, and His scriptures have unfathomably greater archeological reliability than any other surviving historical or religious document.
@@Noctnerd13 source on that first part? The Bible does refer to other gods, because the nations surrounding them worshipped other gods. But it also regularly calls the other gods things like powerless, deaf and dumb, and "gods who are not gods." It is pretty clear that there is one true God who created everything and has been acknowledged since the beginning of time, and many false gods that pop up when people reject Him.
@@Noctnerd13 That passage is commonly used as evidence for the Trinity, but could also possibly be referring to angels. It does not necessitate other gods, nor does it indicate that Yahweh was a storm or a thunder god.
@@Noctnerd13 The church understood there was Father, Son, and Soly Spirit. One God. All other details did take more time to iron out but were only necessary for dealing with heresies but did not imply that the church did not understadn the trinity.
"We shouldn't know about him" got me. I can't find where my great-grandmother was born, but I know about a carpenter born circa two thousand years ago in a country that doesn't exist anymore.
This is true. For example. Buddha isn't a deity, but no one can really pinpoint where he was born because the borders of the kingdoms that existed at his time in Nepal/India fluctuated so much, and the history of that is no longer recorded. One would think that his supporters might record that information. But I guess that's what happens (complacency) when your supporters are not dying to protect their faith. It is the threat of death that caused the Apostles and their successors to so ardently spread and defend the 4 gospels and remainder of the Bible.
The problem with Dawkins and his ilk is not the evidence. It's just ego. The evidence is there. But ego won't let them acknowledge it. They love themselves too much.
@@JulianGentryNah, I respect the honesty, you know how much simpler life would be if more people were that honest with themselves? Having said that, he knows on the inside that’s an irrational stance so yeah who is still involved, so I do still agree with y’all.
I mean there's evidence for anything and everything you can possibly think of. Flat earth, aliens creating the pyramids, unicorns. The problem is that none of it is convincing evidence. I will be very happy for the day when other Christians realize it's better to shed flimsy arguments and manufactured proof for a pure faith.
@@ejajafrozarb Imagine wearing a military uniform and earning military benefits without serving in the military. That's what Dawkins wants. The privileges of Christianity without the accountability. He's a fraud and he justifies it through two-bit philosophy and pseudo-science. Even if he became a Christian today, many people are going to hell because of his influence.
@@ejajafrozarb Imagine wearing a military uniform and earning military benefits without serving in the military. That's what Dawkins wants. The privileges of Christianity without the accountability. He justifies this falsehood through weak philosophy and pseudo-science. Even if he became a Christian today, many will perish because of his influence.
@@ejajafrozarb Richard Dawkins constantly attacks Christianity as nonsensical, but he is unwittingly taking part in the demise of Christian virtues that give rise to the culture in the first place.
“The chance of it being a particular God is vanishingly small.” How ironic… The man who believes that an entire universe randomly created itself from nothing, and then spent the next 14 *billion* years tripping over itself in random unguided chaos and coincidence, somehow leading to a perfect formation of intelligent, developed lifeforms capable of thought and feeling, says that “the chances are too small.” Perhaps he should have considered a career in comedy instead.
Brother, I enjoyed this so much. I’ve already shared it at least 50 times in the first two minutes of watching. Spectacular job. Not just for your addressing of Jesus Christ, but your concise approach to other days.
@@JulianGentry Ahh yes, to cherry pick data points for your own convenience. You said a whole lot of nothing, and completely missed the point of Richard's question.
Which is THE LORD JESUS CHRIST advised EVERYONE who does want to follow HIM AND HIS EXAMPLE 1“Do not judge, or you will be judged. 2For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matt 7, 1-2 As SATAN is the only judge there is - the limited SERVANT rebelling against GOD ALMIGHTY and HIS OMNISCIENCE, OMNIPRESENCE AND OMNIPOTENCE ... as proven by HIM AND HIS ONE AND ONLY INCARNATION THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT FOREVER AND EVER! The flesh/mind cannot let go of its wickedness and depravity unless subjugating itself to GOD ALMIGHTY through HIS SON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT - AMEN HALLELU-YAH - SOLI DEO GLORIA!
@@repealthepatriotact The evidence is solid, and Richard knows that he doesn't feel bad at all. He said "he doesn't want God regardless of the evidence" that's not a person within reason, that's someone who heart is against whatever doesn't fit their narrative. you comment lacks logic as it goes against what he stated.
I like him as a champion of atheists, he is just you know, philosofically untrained, he is just quick with his words, quick in the sense of throwing fallacies, (with terrible double standard) i literraly do not like bart eartman i think he is also ultraoverrated but he wipes the floor with him
@@Onlyafool172 THE SYNAGOGUE OF DECEIT is going to dismantle itself ... as it cannot keep track of its lies and eventually THE HOUSE OF LIES is going to go up in smoke, exactly as prophesied. Just look at the world today ... anyone not seeing the signs!!!??? Blinded by their own PRIDE!
Mark 8:36-37 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? Matthew 16:25 For whoever wishes to save his life [in this world] will [eventually] lose it [through death], but whoever loses his life [in this world] for My sake will find it [that is, life with Me for all eternity].
Complete nonsense. Should he for some reason become convinced about something for which there is no evidence, he would become a celebrated champion of the evangelical movement in the USA and probably gain an even bigger audience and more popularity. A for losing his money, just look at the riches of the American Evangelical preachers such as Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis etc etc. They make Richard Dawkins look like a beggar. He would make billions in the USA. I'm not actually the biggest fan of Dawkins, but at least he has kept his credibility by not claiming to have accepted Jesus as his saviour, even if it meant losing millions in the process.
This comment puts it in a way that has been at the tip of my tongue when thinking about Jesus and his relation of him coming with human history and the universe.., thank you.
I was wondering where this was going...but the timeline was a perfect illustration ... with prophecy being the determining factor... thank you for sharing Sir...
I would also contend that without a Christian ethos, we would not have developed the science and technology we have today. So why didn't Jesus wait until there was electronic communication tech? Because Christianity is a prerequisite for science.
Are non Christian cultures lacking technology? Sure Europe pulled ahead in the end but there were times where China, Japan, and other countries were very prosperous and highly developed for their time without Christianity.
@DobesVandermeer But absolutism from monarchical regimes really suffocated creativity from thinkers who think differently. Whereas Christian countries respect ideas and exotic ways of approaching the world since everyone is equal, the thoughts of the common ppl should be heard as well as the decree of the kings. Which is a prerequisition for different studies outside of the church.
@@quanganhnguyen2075Christianithy went through that period or disrespect and intoletance too, it just happened that over time they accepted new ideas for the sake of progress. Do not forget that astrology and math were developedin countries with islamic beliefs. Their demise in progress started when radical governments took over to bring religious views above anything else.
Wow. This gets an instant follow. I love seeing videos like this where people go through the actual evidence of Jesus Christ being who He really claimed to be. It’s hard to dispute. Awesome stuff, keep it up man!
@@JulianGentry Ahh yes, to cherry pick data points for your own convenience. You said a whole lot of nothing, and completely missed the point of Richard's question.
@@cadenorris4009 it was a joke but people today do take statistics and the graphs used to represent them as revealing objective, mathematical, scientific truth, although there are many problems with that view.
Also what about this theory - In an alternate historical scenario where Alexander the Great diverted his conquest westward and successfully captured and occupied the early Roman Empire, the repercussions on the course of history would have been profound and far-reaching. The absence of the Roman Empire, a powerful and influential civilization known for its territorial expansion, cultural impact, and enduring legacy, would have reshaped the political, social, and religious landscape of the ancient world. The rise of Rome as a dominant superpower in the Mediterranean region would have been prevented, altering the dynamics of power and influence in the ancient world. Without the Roman Empire, the region of Israel would have been spared from Roman occupation, leading to a different set of historical events and outcomes. One of the most significant consequences of the absence of Roman occupation in Israel would have been the alteration of the narrative surrounding Jesus of Nazareth and his Crucifixion. The Roman authorities played a pivotal role in the events that led to Jesus' Crucifixion, as it was a Roman prefect who ultimately sentenced him to death. In a world where Alexander the Great conquered the early Roman Empire, the circumstances surrounding Jesus' life, teachings, and ultimate fate would have unfolded differently. Furthermore, the Crucifixion of Jesus is central to Christian belief, as it is viewed as the fulfillment of numerous prophecies found in the Old Testament. Without Jesus' Crucifixion, these prophecies would remain unfulfilled, impacting the religious beliefs and practices of millions of followers around the world. The hypothetical scenario of Alexander the Great's westward conquest and occupation of the early Roman Empire raises thought-provoking questions about the interconnectedness of historical events and their enduring consequences.
In its PRIDE man's linear sequential reasoning mind CANNOT - in its literal physical limited sense - fathom OMNISCIENCE, OMNIPRESENCE AND OMNIPOTENCE exactly the way your comment describes it. And that's why no matter what excuses man's mind is going to pretend to have, in order to pretend before itself that there is any "alternative" to GOD ALMIGHTY, so it can continue due to its blindness in its wickedness and depravity. No matter how many possible "alternative" universes man's mind will be ALLOWED to come up with it will always be ONLY IN SERVITUDE TO GOD ALMIGHTY'S WISDOM MIGHT GRACE AND PURPOSE in order to fulfill GOD ALMIGHTY'S WORD. Your comment included! THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE ONLY - THE ONE AND ONLY INCARNATION OF GOD ALMIGHTY AND SHEPHERD AND SAVIOUR THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT FOREVER AND EVER - AMEN HALLELU-YAH - SOLI DEO GLORIA!
I fail to see how a Greek Empire would have differed materially from a Roman one, at least in the pertinent details. The Romans lifted a lot from Greece, remember.
Because of Alexander Buddhism came about. He had a cultural impact similar to Babylon and its sentencing of the exile of Judea. Much of these events are interconnected and woven together to fulfill this specific time and prophecy. Even the very cause of Jesus’s death was already spoken by him before any real threat had occurred. It’s quite fascinating how the gospels take into account their own povs on how he lived and continues to live in us.
Your 'red zone', I think is the region you believe it is most likely for a god to appear. The boundaries are pretty arbitrary, though. Why should Pax Romana delineate when the 'red zone' should begin and end. In terms of culturally impactful societies, America has reached further that the Romans ever have. And in terms of connectivity, the modern internet allows for a broader spreading of Jesus's message than ever before. Finally, using prophecy as an argument is begging the question
He says it's because of the prophecy between the rebuilding of the temple and the destruction. Not sure how strong the argument is, but it's crucial to his point.
He mentions the prophecy because if Jesus as God didn’t appear in the time period indicated in the prophecy, which coincided with the time line and its red zone, God would be made a liar, for not appearing during that promised time
@@theanimationcluster7995 that argument assumes that the bible is true. It means nothing to anyone who doesn't already believe that, and requires faith, not fact, to do so.
Remember that 2peter 3:8 says to the Lord a day is like a thousand years. And Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount…in the Last DAYS…(2 days=2thousand years) then the 7 days of the week equals the 6 days of creation, and the (7th day of rest) So the whole Bible tells of the 7,000 years of humanity…and that’s it. 🔥
First off, this is beautiful, and I truly appreciate this research! Secondly, you've filled in so many blanks for me as I've been working on a very similar timeline of my own. Thank you for this and God bless you!
Hey Julian, nice video. I know that interview well. Skip to the last part, where Richard says something like "If there is a God, he must be inconceivably great".
This video reminds me of the old joke. One of the best marksmen in the FBI was passing through a small town. Everywhere he saw evidences of the most amazing shooting. On trees, on walls, and on fences there were numerous bull's-eyes with the bullet hole in dead center. The FBI man asked one of the townsmen if he could meet the person responsible for this wonderful marksmanship. The man turned out to be the village idiot. "This is the best marksmanship I have ever seen," said the FBI man. "How in the world do you do it?" "Nothing to it," said the idiot. "I shoot first and draw the circles afterward."
@@benjisandk That's the poorest analogy I've ever heard and has zero relation to the evidence given. You do realize this video is just one of numerous evidences?
@@benjisandk I take it you haven't studied the bible. The whole reason/message for the biblical writings is Jesus and God revealing himself as Jesus. And God specifically chose a nation and certain time periods for things to happen. This has all been planned out by God.
@@MrLaughingcorpse I have studied the bible many times. This was the reason for me to become an atheist, because it makes no sense. This is a classic case of bias confirmation. You look for some sort of result and then you mark all the things that might indicate what your target is and ignore all the other things that doesn't.
Agree. I believe in Jesus so I do not question this. But this video doesn’t convince on why Jesus came when he did. Is too west centric. Why mention all cultures and stuff of at the end of your argument you based the fact that he came when he did because of a prophecy only relevant to the Jews? If I were a person from China, Persia, sub Saharan Africa, the americas, or Australia why would I care what a writing of a far away land had to say? This video does not prove anything. It only reinforces the believes some people have but it fails so badly. It started ok mentioning things very broadly about the world but it ended so bad. Let’s cheer this guy, and pray so god can enlighten him so he can come up with better videos in the future.
@@fernathebest414 The Holy See thought Manichaeism was not west centric enough and that's why they shut it down. Cracks in the official trusted news source story begin to appear when too much is questioned and not blindly accepted.
Even more amazing is how Jesus fulfilled many of the prophesies he had no control over: see how just a few things divide him from the rest of the world population. Each item listed takes chance out of the equation: Must be born a male, from the Israeli population, from one specific tribe out of 12 - Judah; from one of the tribes of Judah - Jesse. In the line of the kingly family of king David. Born before the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. Born of a virgin as prophesied 450 years before. Overlay this with the hundreds of other prophesies given and even Jesus’ own words of what would happen to him and there is no question that Jesus is trustworthy when He says “I am the way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me. Many people will refuse to believe no matter what proof is given. It isn’t a question of intelligence, but one of morality. To trust and obey Jesus means giving up your sin. It means if God exists we are accountable to. Holy God. 0:00
You just write nonsense! Jesus fulfilled ZERO messianic prophecies. There is no "virgin" birth prophecy anywhere in the Bible. What has been translated (from the Hebrew) as "virgin" in Isaiah 7:14 just means "young woman" (Hebrew: "almah"), and moreover that entire chapter in Isaiah is out of context for Jesus. Jesus was not a descendant from the tribe of Judah. Even supposing that Joseph (the supposed stepfather) was from the tribe of Judah, if Jesus was born of a virgin, then he was not from that tribe and not of the seed of David. So the virgin birth fiction given in the Gospels only refutes the tribe of Judah claim. Rabbi Tovia Singer's TH-cam videos debunk all the Christian claims and false narratives.
@psandbergnz blah blah look who is here to ruin the atmosphere, like seriously if you Don't believe he exists why care, I Don't go around arguing about Harry potter unless you think he exists. Stop it! The amount of ignorance you saw and lies is concerning 😟 . I pray God opens and softens your heart so that you can accept the Lord Jesus christ, no matter the ways necessary. If you are a truth seeker and not a dog barking go find the truth as it will lead you to jesus amen. If not I pray God will sofyhen your heart during the great tribulation so that you can see who jesus is, I don't want you to be tormented in hell for eternity or be annihilated in hell for eternity either way it's bad for you to experience either instead of eternal life
One for Israel has a good video on the use of “virgin” that’s worth watching. I don’t find Tovia’s argument to be as strong. Same with his interpretation of Isaiah 52-53
@@derekjames9226 , you made the claim. Why don't YOU try to support it? I can't argue or discuss with them, but I can with you. I base my argument not just on the meaning of the Hebrew word "almah" (signifying "young woman"), but on the context of the chapter as well, which does not comport with Jesus or his time. For example, note verse 17: "The Lord will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah-he will bring the king of Assyria.” Did Jesus live anywhere near the time of the Assyrian empire? No, _Assyria didn't even exist at the time of Jesus,_ because it had been destroyed by the Persians centuries earlier, and Israel was ruled by Rome. So how is Assyria even in context for Jesus? Moreover, there is no evidence that Mary even called Jesus "Immanuel" (verse 14)! The sign that prophet Isaiah was referring to was the destruction of the two kings feared by king Ahaz (the Jewish king whom Isaiah was addressing), which was to happen before the prophesied child was old enough to distinguish between right and wrong (verses 15-16). In summary, there is absolutely nothing in Isaiah chapter 7 that points to Jesus, and nothing Christological in it. The same goes for the rest of the Tenakh: in the light of CONTEXT, each and every Christian messianic claim collapses, including the book of Isaiah and Daniel. Jesus isn't anywhere in the Hebrew scriptures in any coherent way.
@@psandbergnz Please lay out how do you KNOW - in contrast to believe - what "young woman" back in those days, let alone in the whole context of GOD ALMIGHTY'S WISDOM MIGHT GRACE AND PURPOSE means. Your comment sounds proposturous to say the least and sounds more like a self-assuring exercise of a bloated PROUD UNFAITHFUL MIND than someone looking for the truth. PHARISEE comes to mind!
Had to watch the video twice to absorb the info, well outlined. Thanks for providing your source, I'm going to buy the book and read it. Always great to think about our faith from a different angle. It never occurred to me to put Christ's arrival on the scene into the broader context of the rise of other world religions on the entire historical timeline. Subbed!
LMAO. Jesus saw all these prophecies and was like, "Damn. It's my lucky day. I might just go ahead and claim to be the Messiah. Think about all the followers I could get...And the cultural influence I could have..." Ever considered this very STRONG possibility? Ever looked at all the other people that claimed to be the Messiah like Jesus Christ did? Wasn't one of them bound to be successful like Jesus was? Hasn't humanity always been looking for a savior?
You're talking about self-fulfilling prophecies. But you're forgetting the ones that Jesus couldn't have contrived. He was prophesied to be born to a virgin in Bethlehem at a certain time in history. That's something he couldn't have planned
Well said brother! I have heard this argument before, and didn't know how to handle it, because it seems so hard to comprehend comparing these characters to Jesus Christ. There is one living God, I love how you laid out the similarities of characteristics that people came to learn about God from so many different cultures in the spiritual timeline!
Evidence for God means very little to an atheist, even if there was video evidence of God/Jesus many atheist would still choose to live without God in their lives because they say that God is not worth worshiping because they view God as some kind of monster; and also they’re not willing to give up their sinful lives.
That will still happen, when in the Millennial Kingdom Jesus Christ will be sitting on the throne in Jerusalem, in whole 1000 years many will choose to ignore Him.
False. If there was any physical proof of a god, everyone would see it and accept it. We all see the sun in the sky and all 8 billion of us have the exact same conceptual understanding of it. Your god, just like all other only exists in mythological books and people's words.
@@LieMacbut beloved do not be ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8
Something that's came to my attention around 2015 was that not many people studied religious myths as intensely as I did growing up, but if mush up all the archetypes into 1 super myth, you just end up with Jesus inevitably being main guy in your imagination 😅❤
Very often, we Christians are ridiculed by anti-Christians for waiting two thousand years for the return of Jesus. But these are the people who have spent two millennia trying to make Him go away.
Nobody has any problems with Jesus as a person/dude/teacher/guy with a beard/guy that drinks water and poops like the rest of us. We have problems with him and people saying he's the one true God that came to save us. His CLAIMS. Even though there is no way to prove he never sinned. There is no way to prove that he was actually God. There is no way to prove that he actually rose from the dead. There is no way to prove that he performed miracles. All of these things are easily explainable. The whole of Jesus character as 'God' (outside of just being a teacher) is based on literal magic. The burden of proof lies on Christians. Not non-Christians. Christians are the ones that rely on magic (you may call it faith or acts of God, but it is just magic under a different name). It's like if I were to proclaim that Flying Unicorns exist. The burden of proof doesn't lie on people that don't believe in Flying Unicorns. The burden of proof lies on the people that believe in Flying Unicorns. It's the same with people that believe that Jesus is literally God. It simply doesn't make sense. I spent years trying to make sense of it, but every dead end is always bridged to another with 'faith' (again, magic with a different name). If the burden of proof had been 'proofed' yet by Christians, there wouldn't be a debate to be had. But, we know that magic isn't real, and that every magic trick is explainable, so there is no reason to believe in Christianity and Jesus as God. asd;lfjbcxvgjfdhse]rptoweproiuyhgsdfgnxcb
@@LieMac You can't necessarily prove something isn't real unless you have a really strong counter argument, but I think it's pretty stupid for 2 billion people to believe something completely wrong, and be very passionate about it. I've heard stories and seen videos of people getting healed after prayer in the name of Jesus, so how does that happen if he isn't real or a prophet? Not very many prophets were able to heal people.
Julian! this chart would look amazing for a poster. think about developing one with everything you had in the video because i would love to have your timeline chart framed!
Hey! This originates with J. Warner Wallace and his book Person of Interest, not me. :) Check out his site for more inspiration. Coldcasechristianity.com
@@JulianGentry the one massive thing you may have forgotten to also consider in your argument is Roman crucifixion, had this cruel punishment not have existed, the story would have had a different ending and without it there may have been no long protracted suffering for Jesus and no "cross icon" that unifies believers and gives Christians an identity. Loved this video by the way.
@@daleywhaley do some research...there is a Chinese Pastor on a You Tube video that shows the Chinese language as the OLDEST CONTUNOUS WRITTEN LANGUAGE....that in Chinese "pictograms"/"histograms" tells a story. One Chinese symbol is sort of like an entire sentence or phrase in English. .......The God of the Bible and Jesus the Christ is NOT a "white man" religion...it is CHINESE!!! The "GREAT" God of the world is depicted as, "A man, hanging on a tree, on top of the world."
@@josephcernansky1794 that's such an ignorant take. it's only minorities and liberals with their hearts in the wrong place that would even dare call the faith "white man's" religion. There are born again believers all over the world. There may be a lot here and only a few over there but Christ is not and never has been a "religion" reserved for 1 ppl group and fellow believers shouldnt have to bring down any ppl group to lift up their own ideas. The fact genesis is written in the Chinese language doesnt prove Christianity is a Chinese religion. It proves the Bible is correct in that ppl(including the Chinese) devolved from the one true God into paganism/heathenism.
One day to God is 1000 Years to humans. Multiply your age by 0.024 to get your age to God. This is why mankind has always wondered what’s taking so long.
😑. I ain't believing that man. I thought God lived among us. I thought he was all powerful and could do anything. Why would he create such a stupid mechanism
@@jonahjerryson4913 There is much to learn from the Bible, and humans won’t understand everything the living God does. The Bible is the word, meaning it is the truth. There is nothing on this Earth that apart from God that won’t let you down. He created mankind to love, and mankind to love him back. He didn’t want mindless robots. And if you think about infinite time, then 2000 years is a blink of the eye.
Sounds like he has a superiority complex and a hatred for authority. He couldn't imagine submitting himself under the teaching of a church or pastor, let alone submitting his actions to the moral authority of the Bible.
@davidwillhite421 Yep, very true. I would like to take that same argument you wrote and apply it to all non-Catholic Christians out there who consistently protest against the one, true, holy Church that Christ Himself established upon St. Peter (Mt. 16:18), that is, the Catholic Church. I mean, the canon of scripture that we have today didn’t decide for itself, right? There had to be a hierarchical authority within God’s Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, to discern and make a declarative answer on what writings were to be declared divinely inspired, right? Welp, that did happen many, many years ago and all thanks to the Catholic Church. :) People want to reject that fact, though, and don’t want to submit themselves to the Catholic Church; a few major reasons is because of Church teaching regarding contraception, active homosexuality and abortion. Talk about shooting themselves spiritually in the foot.
Zoroaster was a prophet of his religion(s), but did not claim to be one, himself. He claimed that there were two primal gods, Ahura Mazda (now usually Ormuzd) and Angra Mainya (now usually Ahriman), respectively the god of Wisdom (good) and Disorder (evil). Likewise, the Buddha did not claim Godhood, but how to avoid and exceed the gods, which were essentially snares to catch souls and bind them to this world rather than proceeding to Nirvana (nothingness).
Can you please elaborate on what you said? Do I understand that 95% of the total population of the world that existed from the beginning of creation until now, lived after the birth of Jesus, and the remaining 5% before Him?
Don't forget the Jewish punishment from Ezekiel 4 had to run it's course. 430 years - the 70 years of babylonian exile. 360 years of punishment left, then multiply by 7 because they were unrepentant (Leviticus 26).
@@philipgrobler7253 We do not know. We are human. We cannot think like God. There would be no other reasons or justifications that could ever suffice our human logic. We have to take whatever circumstances that we can only understand like this video on what we could believe that Jesus is the one true God. God would never be simply constrained by human logic. Because if God can simply be proven by logic, then that would not be divine at all but just a finite thing. You may argue that the same can be said about unicorns, fairies, or any other thing that our mind could came up with.. Well... that is what this video is all about.
0:08 You are misrepresenting the question Richard Dawkings was asked and therefore his response. He wasn't asked if A God exists and his respnse was yes, rather COULD the answer be God and his response was yes. Big difference.
You might be begging the question with this red zone. You have a list of attributes assigned to only your god, but how was this list derived? It would make sense that any set of attributes for a given god become less common in the trends of religion as you move back and forth in time from when the god appeared.
This comment is so underrated. To add on to what was said here, Julian even said that the attributes were common things that people would attribute to gods and therefore things people would make up. Additionally, its no coincidence that the earliest religion to form in this list was the one that had the attributes a modern person would think of.
I’m 100% a Christian but I agree I was thinking this the entire time this video is pretty illogical with cherry picked stats. Keep looking though and Jesus will reveal himself to you in other ways
@@mirandahotspring4019 Me too 🤣🤣🤣. This guy is an absolute delusional cult member whose only skill is plagiarism and believing the Bible is a historical document.
You’re the idiot he is targeting 😂 The timeline 😂😂😂 He created the narrative first using when deities came About and we’re praised . Then only got it to 700 years then had to use the creation of the post office to make the gap smaller 😂 what does that have to do with Jesus ? Lmfao 🤣 They adopted this language from another country what does that have to do with anything ? 😂the pax romana lmao I’m sorry man but ya need help . I’ve had A near death experience I’ve been in the light I’ve felt the love . This is absurd . All religion on earth is wrong . Period Yes god loves us all your purpose here is to experience joy. You’re welcome the voice told Me When we die we become whole with all .
@@dizkoztu Yes. He is God after all. The Almighty, He can do what He wants beyond our comprehension since He is God. We cannot limit God for He is God.
I just love J Warner Wallace’s work. He breaks things down so well and tears down the ridiculous standards ppl set for belief in Christ, the divinity of the Bible, and God in general and calls out their hypocrisy for believing in things on much lower bars, the justice system included.
Similarities between arbitrary characteristics of gods is not evidence. Neither is "spiritual overlap" portrayed graphically. Also, you've basically decided that Christianity is special, and crafted a way to t show that when Jesus was around that time was somehow special.
AND prophets are mostly representations of deities on the earth and not true deities themselves.... This explanation is given without proper religious knowledge.....
Yours is not a counterargument. You are basically describing his thesis and adding "is not evidence". He is no trying to demonstrate that God existis, he is trying to demonstrate that, should God exist and be willing to reveal to us, most likely God did through Yeshua (Jesus). And for that, he gives pretty solid and genuine arguments (although the video has different inaccuracies).
@oscar-ie2su, "is not evidence" because of anthropological, historical and contextual culture of the periods. He just didn't extend his reasoning as you also did not when you said "is not a counterargument".
I'm not a Christian, but I have to admit you've made a very good argument. I would also mention that this happened at a time when the Silk Road was well established, and Rome, Persia, India, and China were all able and eager to police it. There probably wasn't a better time for a viral idea to spread across the world until the Enlightenment at least... and it's possible that the enlightenment wouldn't have happened without Christian influences. The obvious atheist criticism, though, would be "This confluence of factors had the people of that place and time primed to believe and sensationalize a charlatan more readily than any other time in history."
"The obvious atheist criticism, though, would be "This confluence of factors had the people of that place and time primed to believe and sensationalize a charlatan more readily than any other time in history." Not only is that absolutely true... it appears that THAT is exactly what DID transpire.
Haven't watched the video yet. But if I were to guess as to why he had to come 2000+ years ago and not today, it's probably because he knew we would get worse and farther away from him over time. We wouldn't be able to uphold the standards and rules of The Old Testament. He needed to do it sooner rather than later in hopes that it would allow more people into heaven than there would be before he made his sacrifice.
Nice work. There is an error in Dawkin's logic in taking the society itself for granted. As if we would even be in the modern world without Jesus' first coming and without all the development that was brought by the church. "How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization" by Thomas Woods explains this in detail.
What??? Civilization would have been fine-China had thousands of years of a more advanced civilization before and long after Jesus. And there was no "development" brought in-only murder, r*pe, slavery, and stolen lands led by the church for the kingdoms of Europe. Most of my ancestors would have survived to pass on their culture and lands without the worship of the myth of Jesus, so don't go all in on the Catholic church until you read the FULL story of all the pain and suffering those psychopaths caused. They didn't build it, they took it by force, subjugating everyone in their path for the glory of gold and power.
@@hurdygurdyguy1 Yes, and thank you to science and Dawkins for disproving most of what the Catholic Church has claimed for hundreds of years while building Western civilization and murdering the millions of native peoples that were in their way while they did it. Nice job, Jesus!!
I agree. The ancient religions were not predicting a future depiction or incarnation of a god, rather they were telling what they believed happened in the past or was currently true. It would be equally silly to say Christians are predicting the events of the Old Testament or that Muslims are predicting a Mohammed-like character in the future. Truly impressive logical gymnastics.
Also, the wisdom in the Bible and in Jesus's teachings is timeless... no other religious text or deity comes close to the amount of wisdom Jesus and the Bible provide. It the perfect book, I challenge anybody to write a book that can change the world, be important enough that even thousands of years later is still guiding people and saving lives. Good luck. Only one book has had that impact, the Bible. It's the perfect book because it's the word of God.
Glad I found someone pointing this out. I'm a religious person myself, but I cringe at the lack of critical thinking in a lot of Christian apologetics. The examples in this video are often used as evidence AGAINST Christianity by those that try to show that Christ is a myth that evolved from a long line of other myths.
@@dillon7748 you know I'm not a Christian but i dont think Christ was a mtyh but that he was an actual dude. The understanding that most Christians have today of what it means to be Christian is probably a large misinterpretation of an unoriginal, edited text.
@@ayoobi1691 The correct way of saying what you just said is that Jesus was a historical figure, which is undeniable at this point. The greatest understanding for what it means to be christian comes from the various epistles sent by the apostles, which is one of the most important parts of the new testament. I agree that the first part of the video suffers from confirmation bias and is stupid, however the second part is important because god revealed himself to the israelites and their nation was about to get destroyed, which means that the messiah had to arrive before the romans did their thing. Also it is impossible to know that humanity would have been able to reach the technological point it has today without the existence of christianity.
@@moxopal5681 Well actual dude/historial figure - he existed. I think the way I said it was fine. Well that's good that Jesus did his thing before the Romans did theirs. All considered, there's still a huge chance of people misinterpreting a very old text that has been tampered with.
Jesus could not have come today because today would not exist without Jesus coming 2000 years ago. Our modern society, our "today", was built thanks to the scientific method, but where did the scientific method come from? It came from Christians who believed that Man is made in God's image and that God himself wants us to come to know him. Judeo/Christian philosophy also believes that God created the universe and set it into motion, but lets it operate by itself in an orderly fission via the mechanisms he put in place. (Any times he overrides these mechanisms, we get events that we call "miracles".) Belief in an orderly universe does not come naturally. Looking at nature, absent our modern knowledge, one would conclude that the universe is cyclical and chaotic. Not orderly and rational, starting at a beginning and playing out towards an ultimate goal. So, believing that the universe is a complex machine created by God AND that we are made in his image, it follows that we can understand how the universe operates, just as God knows. We just have to find ways to determine what those mechanisms are. So, in the end, the reason we have modern science and modern society is because of the contributions of Jesus setting us on the right path so we ended up with the today that we have. Like a parent who sets up the pieces, but lets their child go through the process of putting everything together to learn and grow.
@@miguelatkinson Thats insignificant, who knows where the world would be if we only went with their innovations, but it definitely would NOT be here today. We would be in a different world and who knows if you'd still consider that type of society as a great time for God to reveal himself. But we know the only reason we are here now, in this timeline is because Jesus came when he came.
Exactly. America and our modern society as we know it wouldn't even exist without Christianity. First, Spain only sent Columbus *after* the Islamic forces had been pushed out of Europe. Even then, Cristobal Colon/Christopher Columbus was partially looking for a faster way to be a missionary to Asia (also looking for a faster way to get the riches of Asia from trade) by avoiding the Silk Road. Last, the Pilgrims came over to America for religious freedom to worship Jesus. If any of that had not taken place, it's conceivable that we would still be in medieval level of technology and never really explored the Americas (technology developed very slowly before the industrial revolution, with the Americas as the catalyst for hitting exponential growth).
@@miguelatkinsonthey weren't denying the involvement of non-Christians in science, but Christianity did hold Weatern civilization together during the medieval period. Almost exclusively during that period, nearly the only ones who could read and write and were doing science were the extremely wealthy and Christian monks. They wrote the books and monks like Mendel did the science. Not exclusively, but in the West, they were the vast majority. No Christianity = very limited technology.
Jesus was a spiritually enlightened person who indeed spread the word of God. I went to catholic school in Spain for the first 18 years of my life, then after an angry atheist phase that lasted a decade, I found out what God really is. My issue with christianism and any organized religion with a dogma is that they polluted and diluted true spirituality so much that it´s just turned into something completely different over the centuries. "Christ conciousness" will come when all religions realize it was all the same God all along they were arguing about and all humans realize that we truly are sons of God and a part of "It" at the same times. Until then: more division, more hate. Union and love are of God, division and hate are of the devil.
Very good video. I’d like to point out though that 100 years window out of say 6000 years isn’t 0.0188%. It’s about 1.5% (very roughly). You see, 1% of 6000 is 60. You’re on the right track and your video made me think which is very very cool. PS. Can you narrow it further?
Math isn't his strong suit...obviously! LOL.....I checked his calculations......but in all honesty...I also checked his timelines of each "religion" too....they too are debateacle....but the gist of his thesis is CORRECT!! I would also encourage you to look up on You Tube the Chinese Pastor that explains the 5000 year old CONTINOUSLY WRITTEN Chinese language that each "pictogram/histogram describes the Bible...in China, 5000 years ago!!! With NO input from any other parts of the world!! Particularly the Old Testament AND the Coming of The Messiah!!
The video's attempt to establish Jesus' deity falls short, as it overlooks critical historical and theological nuances. Rather than presenting a cogent argument supported by robust evidence, it merely reiterates common tropes without engaging with scholarly discourse. Its failure to address counterarguments or acknowledge the complexity of the subject matter undermines its credibility. In essence, the video's shallow analysis renders it more akin to satire than serious theological inquiry. Jesus' portrayal often reflects a synthesis of preexisting mythological motifs. Yet, the question remains: does this amalgamation render him a figure of historical significance or merely another iteration of mythological storytelling? The myth of Jesus gained widespread traction due to the logistical advantages afforded by the Roman Empire's extensive network of roads and infrastructure, enabling its dissemination across diverse regions. Nevertheless, the efficiency of its spread does not negate its mythological nature or diminish the need for critical examination of its historical validity. Given the abundance of mythological stories circulating during his era, his appearance seems ill-timed for establishing a unique claim to deity, suggesting a potential challenge to the credibility of his divine status. If Jesus wanted to maximize global awareness of his divine nature, appearing in a technologically advanced era with widespread communication channels, such as the present day, would likely be most effective.
This is the comment I was looking for. I was never quite sure is Jesus miracles were real or fiction but the first 5 minutes of this video pushed me towards the fiction camp. I honestly thought that’s what he was trying to do.
Out of my experience of trying to bring people to Christ, I found one thing that sticks out. many people believe in God and believe in Jesus, but they don't want God to dictate their lives. they wanna live it their way.
There's a lot of prophecies that Jesus didn't fulfill, which is why they don't believe. Christians of course ignore/downplay anything they can't make work which is why they like to try and delude others into believing he did it all
And then there is The Bereshit (בראשית) prophesy it just gets more fascinating by the day. GOD ALMIGHTY declared the end from the beginning .... only GOD ALMIGHTY can do that as HE IS EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME!
yes because making stuff up about something is impossible yeah... people can make stuff up from thin air about any god they believe but when it comes to your particular god then magically everything that was told about him is totally true
@@ВячеславВячеславыч-с7с Then just watch it unfold in disbelief - PRIDE - if you think you are the universe's smartass. Others have tried it and failed miserably, but then again you would know this if you had at least tried. But of course it is much "smarter" to listen to the gospel of THE SYNAGOGUE OF DECEIT!
@@ВячеславВячеславыч-с7с If you think it's all made up: why even worry about it or commenton the video- just go on with your life? Maybe you know in your conscience it's true. You are just mad about it still. Yeah, you know thats the case- otherwise you would not be here. We've all been there, once we get tired of being toddlers having a tantrum agianst our father, and grow up a little- we all feel alot better. That's when we come to realize the truth.
You also forgot book binding which was important in order to spread his message. Scrolls are very slow in order to get to the information you want to access whereas with books you can access almost instantaneously to it. In one of the TH-cam videos of Pints with Aquines an arqueologist mentions the Roman Empire (peace, roads, all the known world united, etc) and book binding as the reasons Jesus was born when he did.
This is pure backwards logic. If Jesus had existed before you could say Papyrus was the reason. Ifhe had come after you would say the printing press was reason. You can't just describe the historical context of a supposedly divine event and claim the context is proof of divinity.
Dr. Michael Hieser has a whole video on how Revelations 12 is all about the birth of Christ. The prophetic language is describing constellation postions in the sky, giving the day Jesus was born. Very thought provoking.
Does Heiser ever elaborate on why one third of the angels rebel because of the birth of Christ? Were they obedient up until that point? What was their beef? Why exactly was that so challenging for them? In other chapters of the Bible oftentimes there are multiple events combined together in a manner that could make it appear that only one event is being referred to...how does Heiser know that Rev 12 isn't the same? There must've been four supernatural rebellions by the time Christ was born. They've rebelled for so many reasons and so often that I would be very concerned about them rebelling when heaven is full of beautiful people. How do they control their urges? Sorry, I just have all these questions and challenges to what Heiser taught. Though my views don't always align with RC Sproul, he was a brilliant communicator of deep biblical truths, yet he didn't buy into the Gen 6 explanation. In fact, there is a good video of him explaining those verses and it's not that long of a video. His and Masterpiece Bible are two that I recommend to people to get an alternate view.
@@truthbebold4009 Heiser specifically points out that no where in the Bible does it say 1/3 of the angels rebelled. Also, he is clear there was one rebellion. We are in the midst of order getting re-established, according to God's will and, therefore, timing. It one reads his material, one would know these things about Heiser.
@@rt3tech No, Heiser says that Rev 12 is about the angels rebelling because of the birth of Christ. My point wasn't about the percentage of angels rebelling, it was about the reason for their rebellion. Heiser's claim is that it is a rebellion because of the birth of Christ. Heiser does not state that there was only one rebellion. He specifically states that there were three supernatural rebellions. I count four according to his reckoning. However, since the supernatural beings have rebelled at least three times (according to Heiser) who's to say there hasn't been more or won't be more.
@@truthbebold4009 The way you are describing Heiser's writings is NOT how I interpreted them. Also, you asked a specific question about the one 3rd angels pertaining to Heiser. As to why, well, isn't the reason obvious as to why there'd be a great war in the heavens when the Messiah arrived?
@@rt3tech He lists off three distinct supernatural rebellions of Gen 3, 6 and 11 and states that there were ”3 supernatural rebellions". I'm not real certain on what he taught about Rev 12 other than it was due to the birth of the Messiah. I honestly don't know the full depth of what he believes about that particular rebellion. I guess these rebellious angels were rebellious prior to the birth of Jesus but I'm not sure. I click on many of his videos but none that I've watched elaborate on what Rev 12 means; his main thrust is that it definitely isn't about Satan leading a rebellion prior to Gen 3.
i was thinking about this the other day and it makes so much sense that he came when he did because we needed the 2000+ years to happen so that the bible and scriptures circulate around the world enough, and when we get to these times now we can actually back track and look at how perverted the world is and all the prophecies coming true right now so that god can save as many souls as possible, right to the very end and to ramp it up right at the very end. With the devil seriously overplaying his hand right now he's over exposed himself and is helping to save souls by being so open and in plain sight, everything is done by Gods will. God is great.
How perverted the world is now... you really need to study history. Also... devil is overplaying his hand next to everything is done by gods will. Sounds like you just said God is the reason for the devils actions.
"Let me draw cherrypicked historical timeboxes until I fill a red box at around 0." ... is how this video should be titled. You could legit make the same case for ANY historical figure. Hitler, Alexander the Great, Freddie Mercury... - now wasn't that the perfect time to meet those boys? Of course it was - because that's when they lived! Not because it was a culmination of outside factors that just plopped them into existence through greater cherrypicked plan.
The book I mentioned in the video is where this comes from. It has a lot more info. This is one part of a larger, cumulative argument for Jesus. This is not a comprehensive argument
Zeitgeist. It would seem there are similarities with many other stories, but none frrom before the Younger Dryas period.... for some strange reason. Perhaps the answers can be found in Mungo Man of Lake Mongo New South Wales, Australia.
where are u getting this list of diety characteristics? seems incredibly random and not backed up by anything, almost like you have the answer in your head and first and then making up a characteristic to make it match haha
He just took Jesus as sn example. Also claiming shared for is for the sake of talking . I mean. This whole video is hilarious with logical errors of endless Creativity 😂
Thank you for this! It could also be considered that in the vastness of this time that a "nobody" born in a "no where village" in poverty with no esteemed education shared his message for only 3 years before his execution. That is to say the nature and wisdom shared in 3 years was enough to spread his name across the world and 2 millennia.
@@haggismcbaggis9485 It is impossibly to find every piece of every old manuscripts, destroy them, make new ones and then fabricate the carbon dating and preserve them for the future. Its not a google doc that you can edit lol
Yeah, Jesus had to come when people were simple minded enough to believe that nonsense! What a laughably predictable explanation. Well done! Pretty much confirms Jesus as a mythical construct from earlier beliefs!
This is his entire argument. The most powerful entity that exists requires humans to be at their maximum religious gullibility (in that specific region of the globe, mind you) to demonstrate "proof" of his existence... In today's world, that window of maximum gullibility has long closed, who now he's not doing it...
Today people believe in their astrological signs, a bride seeing her groom before the alter is bad luck, saying something negative will happen is a jinx, breaking a mirror or walking under a ladder is bad luck, COVID vaccines help against COVID-19 etc. that is much worse. 😂
Yet, people today are more superstitious than ever. You believe in your astrological sign, seeing your groom before the alter is bad luck, walking under a ladder is bad luck, breaking a mirror is bad luck, jinxing a circumstance, COVID vaccines actual work..etc You people are mental. 😂
Yet, people today are more superstitious than ever. You believe in your astrological sign, seeing your groom before the alter is bad luck, walking under a ladder is bad luck, breaking a mirror is bad luck, jinxing a circumstance, COVID vaccines actual work..etc You people are mental. 😂
Hey new subscriber, thought the video was great. I feel like you could have strengthened your reasoning why Jesus could not have been a mythological character, but besides that, good video
Well, it's agreed that a guy named Jesus(Yeshua) existed, even though there is ZERO historical paperwork of his birth and death. He was likely just another preacher like all the others in that region fighting for followers with MANY claiming to be the Messiah(this is a historical fact of Rome's Jerusalem) and why claiming to be the Messiah was automatic crucifixion for treason. The NT Messianic claims are nothing more than a bunch of fictional accounts written by various anonymous authors years later, sometimes hundreds of miles away in Greek. There are no firsthand witness writings. And don't even bring up that "Acta Pilate" piece of fictional fraud-it's all made up.
One more bit of "fallout" from that event 2000 years ago is the observation that before the BC/AD divide only one of those other gods quit being worshipped but after that divide a number of those gods quit being worshipped. The chart contains a bit of empty space on the modern end of it.
It isn't a matter of evidence but of the heart. No amount of evidence will convince someone that doesn't want to believe in a god that calls their desires sin. Even if God appeared in front of them, they would deny Him and believe they were having a delusion. They would rather believe everything came from nothing and when they die, they will return to nothing.
So, you believe gravity exists because of 'heart'? It's hard not to believe something exists when it can be demonstrated that it exists by anyone, at any time. Why is God much weaker than Gravity in this respect?
@@kellystone7501 Gravity is a natural law that has no will or sentience and requires nothing of us. It simply exists and we observe its existence. God as the sovereign creator of the universe who spoke it into being and set the parameters of said natural laws has a will and speaks to us and has expectations of us. Would you choose to obey those expectations if you saw Him face to face? Would you listen to Jesus if He went on CNN and walked on water? Nah, most people would say it was fake and continue living their lives as normal. God is not weak; He is waiting for people to seek Him on His terms - by trusting Christ with their lives. Seek Him and you will find Him.
@@kellystone7501 Because HE CAN - being OMNISCIENT, OMNIPRESENT AND OMNIPOTENT is unfathomable for man's mind unless submitting itself to GOD ALMIGHTY. Ever heard of "Quantum Physics"? Delayed double slit experiment ... plus Bereshit (בראשית) prophesy should clarify some of man's mind confusion present in your comment. Declaring the end from the beginning is the ultimate proof of OMNIPOTENCE, OMNIPRESENCE AND OMNIPOTENCE!
@@kellystone7501 All man's mind is capable of doing to witness the effect of "gravity" all else being theories "explaining" REALITY, which most likely are fallacious and with most likely much better alternative explanation ... GOD ALMIGHTY will prove HIMSELF in due time!
Isn't that kinda biased? We already got Jesus, and you just pinpoint arguments to support your claim, that He came exactly at right time. If it were other time, you would be able to do the same with just other arguments attached to other timelines? Your conclusion is logical, yet not very strong to unbeliever, because you just picked what you need to prove your point. If you pick other facts your historical window wouldn't shrink. But for me the most powerfull argument you said in the end - is that Jesus came out of smalest nation, from unimportant family, under roman culture and yet, shined brighter than any other person on this planet. You just can't have that much influence being simply poor but wise man. Anyway, great points, something to consider, really. Hope you would grow and spread the gospel wide and plenty
No his arguments where not good it just seem to pointing out characteristics and features of divinity widely held by humans and placing it at some arbitrary time saying that it had to be this way because and to also make another point he got quite a few things severely wrong here like making the buddha out to be a god which he is not he's regarded by buddhist as a pround spiritual teacher or saying that indra is a Tibetan god and equating Zarathustra as being a diety which he is not he's considered a prophet of the god Adurah mazad
@@miguelatkinson i see, what you are saying, but i would ask you to use propper punctuation next time. This load of text you made is pretty hard to understand. If you want to make a point it is your job to make it easy to digest for a reader. I am russian, and your text look for me more like a flow of a word salad, then constructed argument. Anyway, i don't consider other teachings of pagans at that time having anything to do with Jesus, so for me it looks like an argument pulled by ears, but stable time of roman empire and development of postal services is, at least, reasonable argument. And wondering about why then and not now is kinda pointless. All the development in ethics and morality today is based in christian values and are only possible because Jesus preached them 2 millenia ago. There would be different "now" without Jesus "back then", so "why then and not now" is just some "extra" question, not realy worthy of further reasoning. But anyway, this answer might help someone come to Jesus, so it counts for me as good.
@@vladgor4099 i didn't missed it, i am just arguing from a perspective of unbeliever. If you say to a non-christian guy: "there is a prophecy about Jesus, talking about His comming in this and that time period" the guy can simply say: "so to justify your source of information about Jesus(bible) you use that same source(bible)." You see, how it seems like weak argument for a nonbeliever? I believe that prophecies fullfilled fully in Jesus, and i know structure of the bible and it's time periods for it's books, but regular atheists doesn't. For me prophecy is good enough, for them it is not credible enough. But, for some reason, logic is what they admire, so i just pointed out logically sound arguments.
@@TEPMOBETEP Right but i would argue that that unbeliever doesn’t understand the source that is given. The bible isn’t a book written by some man. The bible is the compilation of songs, texts, letters and testimony over the course of thousands of years, written by many people in 3 different languages. The prophesy to which i pointed to was written hundreds of years before Christ. The dating of such manuscripts are ancient. Matter of fact, the dead sea scrolls which are dated 200 years before Christ and contain said prophesies. So at the earliest, 200 years, but obviously much older. Then the prophesies themselves which were fulfilled and documented by the apostles can also be argued. Considering Pontius Pilate a roman historical figure documented the crucifixion which was part of prophesy, and many others were documents by the apostles. The apostles later were given choices to renounce their claim that they SAW Christ rose from the dead, or die. They all chose death. Keep in mind nobody dies for something they KNOW is a lie. Here are some deaths they had to face Cut in half Boiled in oil Crucified upside down Burned alive Beheaded Stoned They didn’t believe Christ rose or hear that he did or think that he did, to which it would make sense that they went to their deaths becuase they had faith to something they might or might not be right about. They died for what they knew for a fact was or wasn’t a lie, because they claimed to have physically seen, heard, touched and ate with him after he rose. And nobody dies for something they KNOW is a lie, and surely not in those kinds of deaths. Consider that, God bless
@@stormhawk31 That's exactly what this guy did in the video though, literally cherry picked data points at his own convenience. Not to mention he's completely misunderstood Richard's question.
He is wisdom incarnate and one of the most respected scholars in the world. Just because someone disagrees with your beliefs using facts doesn't mean he isn't wise, it actually means that he is much wiser than you are.
1. There are many similar gods worshipped today (allah, krishna, Buddha, Yahweh etc) so that reason isn't unique to that time. This isn't even considering the gods worshipped before the "red zone" like Ra, Odin, Sumerian deities, Indus religions, vedic deities etc) 2. People have been "thinking" about god since before the Red Zone and well after it passed. This argument does not make much sense. 3. Global peace and prosperity is the highest it has ever been in world history. The best time for Jesus to "come to earth" would undeniably be now or sometime in the future, when the amount of people that can be guided is highest, ease of information is better developed, and peace is ubiquitous. 4/5. Language and Road System; again this goes back to ease of information access and transportation. Back then people could barely write, forget recording infallible divine commandments that could be reliably transported around the world. If the goal of Jesus was to spread his teachings far and wide in a quick, effective, and efficient manner, today is the day. 6. I must admit my knowledge around the prophecy is not strong. However, it seems as though the way you portray it is a very christian interpretation that follows the Day-Year Principle, not one that is held in high regard by most Jewish theologians. Overall, most reasoning in this video seems flawed, but I would love to hear why I am wrong
I don't agree with content of the video either but here is where you went wrong too: 1. There is only one God known by different names.. All people drink water but we have different names for it, doesn't mean it is a different liquid. God is beginningless and endless , he brings everything forth and gave us one true religion. Even though most world religions "look" different its essence is the same, do good and be rewarded. Also God's essence cannot be grasped (obviously how can the relative comprehend the absolute), but we know him by his Attributes (also known as Names) In Hinduism you have Brahman-Vishnu-Shiva (Creator-sustainer and destroyer of the world), in the bible the Alpha and Omega, in the Quran Al-Awal and Al-Akhir (the first and last). In Islam God has 99 names, not different deities, just One with different aspects, same thing in any other religion, the question is do people still get this or not? 2. Agree, this chart is meaningless I didn’t watch the rest, it refers to "recorded time" but I'm sure people have know God way before that. and it should be parallel lines, God sent a messenger (prophet) to every nation that speaks their language. 3. Not really, global peace and prosperity is the highest if you read Steven Pinker book, but in reality there is as much death in this era as anytime before caused by "first world countries" in parts of the world you don’t care or hear about in the news. 4/5. Religion is a pre-requisite to advance society, writing system was developed to record revelation, oldest manuscript in Aramaic was Book of Enoch, first book in Hebrew was the Torah, first book to be written in Arabic language was the Quran, the Spitzer Manuscript is oldest Sanskrit writing found which is related to Hinduism. Prophets are not sent to have good times, they come to usher in good times. I think we are all disposed to believe in God, it takes an effort to fight against it. if you feel you want to learn and discuss more I’m happy to do so in the chat or privately in the messages.
I LITERALLY JUST HAD A TALK WITH MY NCO ABOUT THIS AND HE MADE THE ARGUMENT AND I WAS TRIED TO TELL HIM THERE ALL JUST BITS AND PIECES OF THE REAL ONE TRUE GOD AND WE END THE CONVO. I PRAYED TO GOD TO SEE IF I CAN TALK TO HIM TO SHOW HIM THAT ARE IS THE REAL ONE TRUE GOD AND BC THE EVIDENCE IS ALL AROUND US AND IF HE JUST READ THE BIBLE AND LOOK AT HISTORY OF THE TIME PERIOD. THANK U FOR POSTING THIS IMMA TRY AND TELL HIM AGAIN TONIGHT
@@Joykye yet we have more proof I.e. the red sea, chariots, the sand being glass when God use a fire to come down to guide and protect the Isrealites. Not to mention. We also need to bring up most cool thing I like. There our alot of prophecies of the coming of our savior Jesus and the chances of one of them likely to come true is like throwing a sliver dollar into a basket the size of texas of sliver dollars and picking up the same dollar u threw into the basket that's the chances of the actual prophecy of Jesus coming true because you have to remember there are alot of time and different people who prophecy of the him coming and dying of the cross for our sins
@@Joykyeyes I did, and none compares to Christianity. It's not even close 😂 Christianity is far above in philosophy, historicity, consistency, anything, you name it
PLEASE READ:
I made two kinda big mistakes in this video. Read below:
It came to my attention that I didn't calculate the percentage at the end correctly.
It should be 1.8%, not 0.018%.
Also, I included Zoroaster and Buddha in the "Ancient Deities" section. I meant to include them with the other figures merely as examples of persons prior to Jesus that were revered in similar ways. I didn't mean to say that they were worshipped as deities. Apologies for that. I should have labelled that section differently to avoid the confusion.
Thanks to all who pointed these out. :)
Julian, here is the artificial Great Divide between all religions and all men. Because, THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. And no matter how men might try to define GOD, this doesn't change the fact that GOD IS WHAT GOD IS! "I AM THAT I AM." And I happen to be the prophesied return of the biblical prophet Elijah. Once you know exactly WHAT GOD IS, you will begin to know what YOU are and what "satan" is. And all of this makes perfect sense once you know the best-kept secret in this entire world of limitation - which is, THE REASON WHY YOU ARE EXPERIENCING IT. "Truth is simple," says GOD. And, through Yours Truly, this information has been condensed into a tiny inspired book that one can read online (at no cost) in about FIVE MINUTES. All important mysteries have been revealed in these "end times," which are the birth pangs of the Second Coming of Christ, which involves the awakening of the Christ within YOU. If you want to know more, "seek and ye shall find."
Have you ever seen how the KJV Bible is mathematically encoded?
"it seems unreasonable for God to have shown up 2,000 years ago and not in the modern day when we can just take a video of him."
What they call the "modern day" in the sense required is a RESULT of Christendom, and it took 1600 to 2000 years to do it. In the mid teen hundreds a fundamental change took place catalyzed by 3 big changes that happened almost at the same time. The Protestant Reformation, the printing press and the firearm. The first two were connected directly with Christianity (first big printing was the Gutenburg Bible) directly and the last two indirectly through the breakthroughs in what came to be known as "science" (and its symbiote: technology), an outgrowth of the Christian outlook on the world.
Protestantism created the modern libertarian west. We (Protestants) ended slavery; implemented religious freedom, political freedom, academic freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press FIRST, and thus caused the academic, scientific, technological, and material progress that followed; and most of the rest of the world hasn't caught up with it yet. John 8:32 "You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.
There was about a 200 year window of time, starting in the Victorian era and ending as we speak where the technology and mores of the West collaborated to give truth the advantage in the society over lies and error. There was a holdover of Victorian sensibility in general and specifically in the ideals of scholarship, journalism, and statesmanship. Cheap books (via printing and industrial methods) disseminated knowledge and the technologies of photography, sound recording, and their successors cinema, television, and even digital media at first made it easy to portray certain aspects of truth, and difficult to falsify them. (Not impossible, Dan Rather in his reporter days routinely staged scenes and passed them off as candid news clips, and the "60 Minutes" "news documentary series" routinely edited interviews to distort the meaning and context of interviewee replies, but acting and editing aside the tech and society still favored truth.) This window is now closing as moral integrity in our institutions erodes and the tech begins to favor fakery (CGI, Deep Fake, AI generated video). Even Photo Shop did not exist in the '50s. The original version came out in 1988. Before the 80s there were no computers capable of remotely significant digital image processing and we didn't have photorealistic CGI until the 90s.
But anyway, if God had just waited a few thousand years He still wouldn't have found such a window of time as the "New Atheists" claim to prefer.
@@thevulture5750Even that the word “tyrant” was replaced in it?
Forgot to do the *100 on the percentage yeah?
"The Messiah is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to"
That seems like the lamest excuse ever to be late
He wasn't late, why do yoy assume he was?
Messiahs always come and always die. Nothing new under the sun.
Ah yes, Iesus and Gandalf, two fictional characters
Gods timing is perfect every single time thank you lord for your timing cuz I am far to often in a rush help me go at your pace lord give me guidance
What always gets me is that 500 people said they saw Jesus post-resurrection.. and testified under the threat of death. What would they have to gain, to risk their lives on a lie? Nothing. The answer is nothing. They had nothing to gain by testifying that Jesus lives, and they had everything to lose. That is a weighted testimony.
Who killed Jesus in the first place?
Use that for Jesus as well, what reason would a man have to claim to be the son of God and not profit from it, not seek wealth or power, what reason would Jesus have to continue to claim to be the son of God and not profit off of it after he was told they would kill him for it, what reason would that man have to willingly give up his life to the people who wanted him dead and not resist, not only that, but pray for them and forgive them. No human being is that good, no human being would do any of that, at some point along a humans' journey, we would falter, or curse those who curse us, but not him, not Jesus, our lord, our God & our savior. God relegated himself to a man and paid the price we could not afford, all for his glory, all because he loved us, that's the reason a man would have, to claim to be the son of God and not profit from it
@@Grayraven777 😂😂 Nope
imagine living in that short period in which all the previous religions stood before you, everyone around you was a devout believer in some god and you yourself were swayed in as well, while prophets around you interpret the word of their gods and preach of their destinies in heavens.
The hype itself would make something happen just so that people wouldn't get depressed en masse about the nature of reality and their part in it.
There are reasons well beyond personal gain for those people to lie under the threat of death. There is also no way to prove who said what, who heard what and who wrote what.
@@Grayraven777even the millions of Christians who died brutal and excruciating deaths throughout history?
"At the right time... Christ died for the ungodly." Romans 5
If jesus was god him self and he sacerficed him self. Would that just mean he is sorry he fed up humans so badly. Cause you really should look at them.
Why is the One who gave you life and freedom responsible for what you chose to do with it? He went through that to rescue us in spite of the various ways we have abused our freedom.
Jesus killed himself for the sins of the people of his time. He has nothing to do with anything we do now. If I committed a crime he's not going to come of of nowhere and crucify himself all over again just to die for my sin. He doesn't care about any of us. He's already dead
Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins.... yet there are sinners even among rhe Christians. Does it mean, the Christians sins are all totally forgiven since they believe in Jesus and even goes ro Church? And that only those who are not Christians, no matter how wonderful and good the person is, will surely end up in Hell?
@@eric.1948 You are right God was sorry for humanity, but he is sorry because of what we've become, and sorry that he needs to wipe them in the time of Noah Gen 6:7.
But why did he come to sacrifice himself? In John 15:13 Jesus states that the greatest love that someone can show is to sacrifice your life for your friends, so he did. To show that even with our sins, even if we hardened our hearts to the point that God needs to wipe us all, he still has great love for us.
But why wipe us and send sinners to hell if he loves us? Because God in the Bible cannot contradict his attribute for it is eternal, and one of his attributes is Justice, he needs to practice it in order to fulfill his duty.
But hell in the Bible is actually a second death, which means you won't exist anymore. It was described as "outer darkness and blazing fire" that was made for the fallen angels. That description actually matches the visuals of a Black Hole, and some theories states that black holes collapse informations of a matter, and holds it in for eternity. And some theory states that if you make the universe as old as it can be, only black holes would exist for it would've absorbed all the matter and energy left in the universe.
That's maybe why in the BIBLE it was revealed that the paradise Jesus has prepared for us is like a new earth where no death and temptation exist. Maybe that paradise would be made in a new universe, with new laws of physics, mathematics and logic etc.
Jesus is always on time 😊❤
then why has he been pressing snooze for 2000 years?
For us
@@deviceinside because He's very very patient and doesn't want anyone to perish. Be glad of that!
Amen! :)
@@childofGod3n1he doesn't want anyone to perish but he will also bring forth the rapture. What the hell does jesus want then?
Jesus comes at the exact historical moment so that truth can enlight mankind, because that's how God operates, with perfection.
Boom
Which particular denomination or church in Christianity demonstrates perfection? Obviously, Christianity has been successful, but so has Islam, and perfection is hardly a quality that comes to mind in these patriarchal and divisive religions. Does perfection require the carrot and stick approach, ie believe in this and you will receive the ultimate reward, don't believe and you will be tortured for eternity?!
@@93Current It's not about perfection interms of making a religion known it's how God chooses to make himself known denominations of Christians are based off Biblical interpretation which is God's word protestant which Iam hold God's word to the highest degree
Islam on the other hand destroys the timeline by saying that God would go through all that trouble just to bring a servant instead of himself than just so his words could get corrupted
You cannot use a cult to judge God nor a denomination its best to look at your own relationship with him and in that sense it's best to just read the Bible
Denomination tends to be for fellowship and social benefits more than anything else
@@93Current >>>> I heard an old priest in the Catholic church I grew up in (Greek {Byzantine} Catholic/ Ruthenian Rite) that gave an Easter sermon one year THAT EXPLAINED EXACTLY WHY and HOW Yashua y Meshiah would come to Earth. Because IF these so-called "brilliant" skeptics and ARROGANT FOOLS were told that God...THE CREATOR of the Universe and ALL the LAWS of physics and science that make EVERYTHING function.....they would have arguments and wars as to who, where and how the Son of God would be born?!!! And all sorts of dignitaries and committees and whatever parades and celebrations they would put on.....INSTEAD.....GOD....THE ALL POWERFUL CREATOR of the universe...DECIDED to Birth His Son in a lonely cold dark dank dirty stable (probably a cave-type shelter built against the hillside as was a customary simplest rudimentary shelter for livestock).....WITHOUT any fanfare or recognition except those who would be REVERENT to His birth among us. The animals were his witness and the poor dumb dirty outcast shepherds who had to sleep out amongst the sheep under the cathedral of the stars of Heaven. THAT is WHY and HOW Jesus of Nazareth came to us......The MEEKEST of the Meek.....The MOST HIGH GOD did NOT need to show off His Power......he is so secure in His Power that He even gave each of us a tiny "seed"...of faith, "that whosoever would believe would have everlasting Life with Him!!"
@@93Current
Im a christian but my favorite kind of preaching involves using maps and charts, idk why im like this but i grew up as an athiest but this kind of stuff really convinced me to believe before i got into the philosophy and love of it all. When i was a kid and people talked to me about God and religion using emotional appeal it always turned me off from it because it registered as "illegitimate" in my mind
As a scientist and engineer myself, the more I learn of the physical universe, the MORE I AM CONVINCED...GOD IS REAL....and if so....WHY would I not want to get to have a connection to Him? I have read and studied every religion and philosophy known and there is NONE that explains the universe and God and man's existence as the Bible does! I used to say that the Bible is the last thing people read before they jump off the cliff. People are so reticent to read it...because WHY? WHY are you afraid to read a Book? There are TWO PARTS to the BIBLE.....The BLACK PART and the WHITE PART....just read the black part and don't worry about the White part. By the time you finished reading the entire black part in The Book....you'll start to get the White part. And don't fret, you have an entire lifetime, and possibly maybe eternity to get the White part. He even promised He would tell you it Himself!
We all come to Christ differently. Prophecy and astronomy led me to Christ. When I was just being dragged to church I didn't want anything to do with it. But the evidence is impossible to ignore and when you meet Jesus it's impossible to forget!
@@josephcernansky1794
Man's mind doesn't have any idea how much time we have, not even THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. HE HIMSELF warned to this end. Don't be complacent to accept THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS THE SAVIOUR as there is NO WAY TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO HAS SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT SO EVERYONE can potentially be saved.
Ya it really helps to see things laid out. Is this proof of God. Well no... But that is an awful big coincidence... You get enough "awful big coincidneces" and the odds start to be come stacked in Gods favor...
If they're using appeal to emotion, then it's illogical. I'm glad you found the logic part of it.
The God of Israel is also verifiably the "oldest" god to still be widely worshiped today, and His scriptures have unfathomably greater archeological reliability than any other surviving historical or religious document.
@@Noctnerd13 source on that first part? The Bible does refer to other gods, because the nations surrounding them worshipped other gods. But it also regularly calls the other gods things like powerless, deaf and dumb, and "gods who are not gods." It is pretty clear that there is one true God who created everything and has been acknowledged since the beginning of time, and many false gods that pop up when people reject Him.
@@Noctnerd13 That passage is commonly used as evidence for the Trinity, but could also possibly be referring to angels. It does not necessitate other gods, nor does it indicate that Yahweh was a storm or a thunder god.
You're incredibly ignorant. Bible talks about other gods lower case g. Not as the ultimate God above all. @@Noctnerd13
@@Noctnerd13this proves the Trinitarian nature of God. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
@@Noctnerd13 The church understood there was Father, Son, and Soly Spirit. One God. All other details did take more time to iron out but were only necessary for dealing with heresies but did not imply that the church did not understadn the trinity.
"We shouldn't know about him" got me.
I can't find where my great-grandmother was born, but I know about a carpenter born circa two thousand years ago in a country that doesn't exist anymore.
This is true.
For example. Buddha isn't a deity, but no one can really pinpoint where he was born because the borders of the kingdoms that existed at his time in Nepal/India fluctuated so much, and the history of that is no longer recorded. One would think that his supporters might record that information. But I guess that's what happens (complacency) when your supporters are not dying to protect their faith. It is the threat of death that caused the Apostles and their successors to so ardently spread and defend the 4 gospels and remainder of the Bible.
But we know about many other famous people too
The problem with Dawkins and his ilk is not the evidence. It's just ego. The evidence is there. But ego won't let them acknowledge it. They love themselves too much.
He has said NO evidence would convince him... sad
@@JulianGentryNah, I respect the honesty, you know how much simpler life would be if more people were that honest with themselves? Having said that, he knows on the inside that’s an irrational stance so yeah who is still involved, so I do still agree with y’all.
He's buying his tickets already! 😢 Hope he buys the other ones in time...
Yeah crazy an “intellectual” has no problem being intellectually dishonest.
I mean there's evidence for anything and everything you can possibly think of. Flat earth, aliens creating the pyramids, unicorns. The problem is that none of it is convincing evidence. I will be very happy for the day when other Christians realize it's better to shed flimsy arguments and manufactured proof for a pure faith.
Richard Dawkins on being a Cultural Christian: “I like honey, but bees are dangerous and I want to eradicate the bee population.”
You can be culturally Christian without believing in God, look at the Netherlands where most people are not religious
@@ejajafrozarb Indeed true, but that is NOT true Christianity, that is lukewarm. Being truly wanting Christ requires true belief.
@@ejajafrozarb Imagine wearing a military uniform and earning military benefits without serving in the military. That's what Dawkins wants. The privileges of Christianity without the accountability. He's a fraud and he justifies it through two-bit philosophy and pseudo-science. Even if he became a Christian today, many people are going to hell because of his influence.
@@ejajafrozarb Imagine wearing a military uniform and earning military benefits without serving in the military. That's what Dawkins wants. The privileges of Christianity without the accountability. He justifies this falsehood through weak philosophy and pseudo-science. Even if he became a Christian today, many will perish because of his influence.
@@ejajafrozarb Richard Dawkins constantly attacks Christianity as nonsensical, but he is unwittingly taking part in the demise of Christian virtues that give rise to the culture in the first place.
“The chance of it being a particular God is vanishingly small.”
How ironic… The man who believes that an entire universe randomly created itself from nothing, and then spent the next 14 *billion* years tripping over itself in random unguided chaos and coincidence, somehow leading to a perfect formation of intelligent, developed lifeforms capable of thought and feeling, says that “the chances are too small.”
Perhaps he should have considered a career in comedy instead.
As if you know the reason we exist😂
trial and error, you know. the most relying mechanism of all? The way AI learns too.
@@GalliadIIoh yeah? Then what is behind this trial and error?
@@GalliadII AI, That thing created through intelligent design?
Brother, I enjoyed this so much. I’ve already shared it at least 50 times in the first two minutes of watching. Spectacular job. Not just for your addressing of Jesus Christ, but your concise approach to other days.
Hey, thanks!
Don't share these lies!!!
@@JulianGentry
Ahh yes, to cherry pick data points for your own convenience.
You said a whole lot of nothing, and completely missed the point of Richard's question.
You sound dumb
@@Jono_93meeeehhh. Still usefull information. You're just not the target audience...
Richard Dowkins said "There is no evidence that will convince me God excist" it's not his mind, it's his heart, he doesn't want There to be a God.
Which is THE LORD JESUS CHRIST advised EVERYONE who does want to follow HIM AND HIS EXAMPLE
1“Do not judge, or you will be judged. 2For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matt 7, 1-2
As SATAN is the only judge there is - the limited SERVANT rebelling against GOD ALMIGHTY and HIS OMNISCIENCE, OMNIPRESENCE AND OMNIPOTENCE ... as proven by HIM AND HIS ONE AND ONLY INCARNATION THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT FOREVER AND EVER!
The flesh/mind cannot let go of its wickedness and depravity unless subjugating itself to GOD ALMIGHTY through HIS SON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT - AMEN HALLELU-YAH - SOLI DEO GLORIA!
His heart is fine, he genuinely feels bad for and takes pity on the mindless believers who are following a cult with no proof.
@@ACuriousChild Satan is the only judge there is? That doesn't sound correct, maybe you meant it in a different way.
@@repealthepatriotact The evidence is solid, and Richard knows that he doesn't feel bad at all. He said "he doesn't want God regardless of the evidence" that's not a person within reason, that's someone who heart is against whatever doesn't fit their narrative. you comment lacks logic as it goes against what he stated.
When did he say that. Can you link to where he said that?
If Dawkins accepted Jesus as his saviour, he would no longer be a champion for unbelievers, he would lose his audience, his popularity, and his money.
I like him as a champion of atheists, he is just you know, philosofically untrained, he is just quick with his words, quick in the sense of throwing fallacies, (with terrible double standard) i literraly do not like bart eartman i think he is also ultraoverrated but he wipes the floor with him
But just look what he'd GAIN!
@@Onlyafool172
THE SYNAGOGUE OF DECEIT is going to dismantle itself ... as it cannot keep track of its lies and eventually THE HOUSE OF LIES is going to go up in smoke, exactly as prophesied. Just look at the world today ... anyone not seeing the signs!!!???
Blinded by their own PRIDE!
Mark 8:36-37
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Matthew 16:25
For whoever wishes to save his life [in this world] will [eventually] lose it [through death], but whoever loses his life [in this world] for My sake will find it [that is, life with Me for all eternity].
Complete nonsense. Should he for some reason become convinced about something for which there is no evidence, he would become a celebrated champion of the evangelical movement in the USA and probably gain an even bigger audience and more popularity. A for losing his money, just look at the riches of the American Evangelical preachers such as Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis etc etc. They make Richard Dawkins look like a beggar. He would make billions in the USA. I'm not actually the biggest fan of Dawkins, but at least he has kept his credibility by not claiming to have accepted Jesus as his saviour, even if it meant losing millions in the process.
~”when the fullness of time came”
Bible puts it exactly using those words!
@@peterbassey9668 Indeed! I didn’t provide the citation so that perhaps it would create more curiosity
in greek - chronos vs kairos. the Timing of the right-time is important
Praise God!
This comment puts it in a way that has been at the tip of my tongue when thinking about Jesus and his relation of him coming with human history and the universe.., thank you.
I was wondering where this was going...but the timeline was a perfect illustration ... with prophecy being the determining factor... thank you for sharing Sir...
I would also contend that without a Christian ethos, we would not have developed the science and technology we have today. So why didn't Jesus wait until there was electronic communication tech? Because Christianity is a prerequisite for science.
Are non Christian cultures lacking technology? Sure Europe pulled ahead in the end but there were times where China, Japan, and other countries were very prosperous and highly developed for their time without Christianity.
@DobesVandermeer But absolutism from monarchical regimes really suffocated creativity from thinkers who think differently. Whereas Christian countries respect ideas and exotic ways of approaching the world since everyone is equal, the thoughts of the common ppl should be heard as well as the decree of the kings. Which is a prerequisition for different studies outside of the church.
@@quanganhnguyen2075Christianithy went through that period or disrespect and intoletance too, it just happened that over time they accepted new ideas for the sake of progress. Do not forget that astrology and math were developedin countries with islamic beliefs. Their demise in progress started when radical governments took over to bring religious views above anything else.
Exactly!
@NapoleonVelascoCarrillo if I'm not mistaken, the Muslims got their mathematics from the Indian Hindus.
Wow. This gets an instant follow. I love seeing videos like this where people go through the actual evidence of Jesus Christ being who He really claimed to be. It’s hard to dispute.
Awesome stuff, keep it up man!
Thanks, more to come
@@JulianGentry
Ahh yes, to cherry pick data points for your own convenience.
You said a whole lot of nothing, and completely missed the point of Richard's question.
@@JulianGentry
Of course you're not going to reply, can't be looking like an idiot in your own comments can you?😆
Is it coincidence that this graph appeared in the age when people most believe in graphs?
If the graph started claiming to be God incarnate, then we'd have a different issue
It's interesting to think about believing in graphs but I suppose we do take it for granted. If this wasn't a graph would people still believe it?
Also what do you mean by "believe in graphs". It's a visual representation, not something to "believe in".
@@cadenorris4009 its a joke bud. hes making fun of the lack of sound reasoning in the video
@@cadenorris4009 it was a joke but people today do take statistics and the graphs used to represent them as revealing objective, mathematical, scientific truth, although there are many problems with that view.
Also what about this theory -
In an alternate historical scenario where Alexander the Great diverted his conquest westward and successfully captured and occupied the early Roman Empire, the repercussions on the course of history would have been profound and far-reaching. The absence of the Roman Empire, a powerful and influential civilization known for its territorial expansion, cultural impact, and enduring legacy, would have reshaped the political, social, and religious landscape of the ancient world.
The rise of Rome as a dominant superpower in the Mediterranean region would have been prevented, altering the dynamics of power and influence in the ancient world. Without the Roman Empire, the region of Israel would have been spared from Roman occupation, leading to a different set of historical events and outcomes.
One of the most significant consequences of the absence of Roman occupation in Israel would have been the alteration of the narrative surrounding Jesus of Nazareth and his Crucifixion. The Roman authorities played a pivotal role in the events that led to Jesus' Crucifixion, as it was a Roman prefect who ultimately sentenced him to death. In a world where Alexander the Great conquered the early Roman Empire, the circumstances surrounding Jesus' life, teachings, and ultimate fate would have unfolded differently.
Furthermore, the Crucifixion of Jesus is central to Christian belief, as it is viewed as the fulfillment of numerous prophecies found in the Old Testament. Without Jesus' Crucifixion, these prophecies would remain unfulfilled, impacting the religious beliefs and practices of millions of followers around the world.
The hypothetical scenario of Alexander the Great's westward conquest and occupation of the early Roman Empire raises thought-provoking questions about the interconnectedness of historical events and their enduring consequences.
In its PRIDE man's linear sequential reasoning mind CANNOT - in its literal physical limited sense - fathom OMNISCIENCE, OMNIPRESENCE AND OMNIPOTENCE exactly the way your comment describes it. And that's why no matter what excuses man's mind is going to pretend to have, in order to pretend before itself that there is any "alternative" to GOD ALMIGHTY, so it can continue due to its blindness in its wickedness and depravity.
No matter how many possible "alternative" universes man's mind will be ALLOWED to come up with it will always be ONLY IN SERVITUDE TO GOD ALMIGHTY'S WISDOM MIGHT GRACE AND PURPOSE in order to fulfill GOD ALMIGHTY'S WORD. Your comment included!
THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE ONLY - THE ONE AND ONLY INCARNATION OF GOD ALMIGHTY AND SHEPHERD AND SAVIOUR THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT FOREVER AND EVER - AMEN HALLELU-YAH - SOLI DEO GLORIA!
I fail to see how a Greek Empire would have differed materially from a Roman one, at least in the pertinent details. The Romans lifted a lot from Greece, remember.
There no Roman Empire in times of Alexander the Great.
Because of Alexander Buddhism came about. He had a cultural impact similar to Babylon and its sentencing of the exile of Judea. Much of these events are interconnected and woven together to fulfill this specific time and prophecy. Even the very cause of Jesus’s death was already spoken by him before any real threat had occurred. It’s quite fascinating how the gospels take into account their own povs on how he lived and continues to live in us.
Your 'red zone', I think is the region you believe it is most likely for a god to appear. The boundaries are pretty arbitrary, though. Why should Pax Romana delineate when the 'red zone' should begin and end. In terms of culturally impactful societies, America has reached further that the Romans ever have. And in terms of connectivity, the modern internet allows for a broader spreading of Jesus's message than ever before. Finally, using prophecy as an argument is begging the question
The red zone argument is sort of his wishful thinking. Other arguments are better to justify
It’s really subjective, too little of actual substance to waste time here
He says it's because of the prophecy between the rebuilding of the temple and the destruction. Not sure how strong the argument is, but it's crucial to his point.
He mentions the prophecy because if Jesus as God didn’t appear in the time period indicated in the prophecy, which coincided with the time line and its red zone, God would be made a liar, for not appearing during that promised time
@@theanimationcluster7995 that argument assumes that the bible is true. It means nothing to anyone who doesn't already believe that, and requires faith, not fact, to do so.
Remember that 2peter 3:8 says to the Lord a day is like a thousand years. And Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount…in the Last DAYS…(2 days=2thousand years) then the 7 days of the week equals the 6 days of creation, and the (7th day of rest) So the whole Bible tells of the 7,000 years of humanity…and that’s it. 🔥
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First off, this is beautiful, and I truly appreciate this research! Secondly, you've filled in so many blanks for me as I've been working on a very similar timeline of my own. Thank you for this and God bless you!
THIS IS AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o
This is an incredible breakdown. I've tried to articulate these ideas before, but this is incredibly comprehensive and concise. Thank you!
This is the first time I have watched one of your videos. It was very interesting, well-researched and presented. And I learned a lot - thank you
Yeah, this is the first time I've watched one this kid's videos, too... and I'm out...waste of time...
Wow man just stumbled upon your video! It’s so good!
Hey Julian, nice video. I know that interview well. Skip to the last part, where Richard says something like "If there is a God, he must be inconceivably great".
This video reminds me of the old joke.
One of the best marksmen in the FBI was passing through a small town. Everywhere he saw evidences of the most amazing shooting. On trees, on walls, and on fences there were numerous bull's-eyes with the bullet hole in dead center. The FBI man asked one of the townsmen if he could meet the person responsible for this wonderful marksmanship. The man turned out to be the village idiot.
"This is the best marksmanship I have ever seen," said the FBI man. "How in the world do you do it?"
"Nothing to it," said the idiot. "I shoot first and draw the circles afterward."
Perfect analogy 👍🏻
@@benjisandk That's the poorest analogy I've ever heard and has zero relation to the evidence given. You do realize this video is just one of numerous evidences?
@@MrLaughingcorpse Ok. Then you don’t know what an analogy is. Cool.
This video has no evidence at all. Are the other videos as clueless as this one?
@@benjisandk I take it you haven't studied the bible. The whole reason/message for the biblical writings is Jesus and God revealing himself as Jesus. And God specifically chose a nation and certain time periods for things to happen. This has all been planned out by God.
@@MrLaughingcorpse I have studied the bible many times. This was the reason for me to become an atheist, because it makes no sense. This is a classic case of bias confirmation. You look for some sort of result and then you mark all the things that might indicate what your target is and ignore all the other things that doesn't.
This is AMAZING work bro...I hope to share your work in my fellowship
Please check out "Person of Interest" by J. Warner Wallace, since that's where I got this info. GREAT book
A hypothesis is not proven by a set of conveniently selected data points.
Well said!
That's why this video is big bullshit and I believe in Jesus, btw.
... or cherry picking if you want to be a dick about it.
Agree.
I believe in Jesus so I do not question this. But this video doesn’t convince on why Jesus came when he did.
Is too west centric. Why mention all cultures and stuff of at the end of your argument you based the fact that he came when he did because of a prophecy only relevant to the Jews?
If I were a person from China, Persia, sub Saharan Africa, the americas, or Australia why would I care what a writing of a far away land had to say?
This video does not prove anything. It only reinforces the believes some people have but it fails so badly. It started ok mentioning things very broadly about the world but it ended so bad. Let’s cheer this guy, and pray so god can enlighten him so he can come up with better videos in the future.
@@fernathebest414 The Holy See thought Manichaeism was not west centric enough and that's why they shut it down. Cracks in the official trusted news source story begin to appear when too much is questioned and not blindly accepted.
Even more amazing is how Jesus fulfilled many of the prophesies he had no control over: see how just a few things divide him from the rest of the world population. Each item listed takes chance out of the equation: Must be born a male, from the Israeli population, from one specific tribe out of 12 - Judah; from one of the tribes of Judah - Jesse. In the line of the kingly family of king David. Born before the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. Born of a virgin as prophesied 450 years before. Overlay this with the hundreds of other prophesies given and even Jesus’ own words of what would happen to him and there is no question that Jesus is trustworthy when He says “I am the way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me.
Many people will refuse to believe no matter what proof is given. It isn’t a question of intelligence, but one of morality. To trust and obey Jesus means giving up your sin. It means if God exists we are accountable to. Holy God. 0:00
You just write nonsense! Jesus fulfilled ZERO messianic prophecies. There is no "virgin" birth prophecy anywhere in the Bible. What has been translated (from the Hebrew) as "virgin" in Isaiah 7:14 just means "young woman" (Hebrew: "almah"), and moreover that entire chapter in Isaiah is out of context for Jesus.
Jesus was not a descendant from the tribe of Judah. Even supposing that Joseph (the supposed stepfather) was from the tribe of Judah, if Jesus was born of a virgin, then he was not from that tribe and not of the seed of David. So the virgin birth fiction given in the Gospels only refutes the tribe of Judah claim.
Rabbi Tovia Singer's TH-cam videos debunk all the Christian claims and false narratives.
@psandbergnz blah blah look who is here to ruin the atmosphere, like seriously if you Don't believe he exists why care, I Don't go around arguing about Harry potter unless you think he exists. Stop it! The amount of ignorance you saw and lies is concerning 😟 . I pray God opens and softens your heart so that you can accept the Lord Jesus christ, no matter the ways necessary. If you are a truth seeker and not a dog barking go find the truth as it will lead you to jesus amen. If not I pray God will sofyhen your heart during the great tribulation so that you can see who jesus is, I don't want you to be tormented in hell for eternity or be annihilated in hell for eternity either way it's bad for you to experience either instead of eternal life
One for Israel has a good video on the use of “virgin” that’s worth watching. I don’t find Tovia’s argument to be as strong. Same with his interpretation of Isaiah 52-53
@@derekjames9226 , you made the claim. Why don't YOU try to support it? I can't argue or discuss with them, but I can with you.
I base my argument not just on the meaning of the Hebrew word "almah" (signifying "young woman"), but on the context of the chapter as well, which does not comport with Jesus or his time. For example, note verse 17: "The Lord will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judah-he will bring the king of Assyria.”
Did Jesus live anywhere near the time of the Assyrian empire? No, _Assyria didn't even exist at the time of Jesus,_ because it had been destroyed by the Persians centuries earlier, and Israel was ruled by Rome. So how is Assyria even in context for Jesus?
Moreover, there is no evidence that Mary even called Jesus "Immanuel" (verse 14)! The sign that prophet Isaiah was referring to was the destruction of the two kings feared by king Ahaz (the Jewish king whom Isaiah was addressing), which was to happen before the prophesied child was old enough to distinguish between right and wrong (verses 15-16). In summary, there is absolutely nothing in Isaiah chapter 7 that points to Jesus, and nothing Christological in it.
The same goes for the rest of the Tenakh: in the light of CONTEXT, each and every Christian messianic claim collapses, including the book of Isaiah and Daniel. Jesus isn't anywhere in the Hebrew scriptures in any coherent way.
@@psandbergnz
Please lay out how do you KNOW - in contrast to believe - what "young woman" back in those days, let alone in the whole context of GOD ALMIGHTY'S WISDOM MIGHT GRACE AND PURPOSE means. Your comment sounds proposturous to say the least and sounds more like a self-assuring exercise of a bloated PROUD UNFAITHFUL MIND than someone looking for the truth. PHARISEE comes to mind!
Had to watch the video twice to absorb the info, well outlined. Thanks for providing your source, I'm going to buy the book and read it. Always great to think about our faith from a different angle. It never occurred to me to put Christ's arrival on the scene into the broader context of the rise of other world religions on the entire historical timeline. Subbed!
Thanks!
That book has a TON more cool info like this
LMAO. Jesus saw all these prophecies and was like, "Damn. It's my lucky day. I might just go ahead and claim to be the Messiah. Think about all the followers I could get...And the cultural influence I could have..."
Ever considered this very STRONG possibility? Ever looked at all the other people that claimed to be the Messiah like Jesus Christ did? Wasn't one of them bound to be successful like Jesus was? Hasn't humanity always been looking for a savior?
You're talking about self-fulfilling prophecies. But you're forgetting the ones that Jesus couldn't have contrived. He was prophesied to be born to a virgin in Bethlehem at a certain time in history. That's something he couldn't have planned
@@JulianGentry Is there any actual way to prove that she was a virgin? Or is that a convenient unprovable fact in the story?
Well said brother! I have heard this argument before, and didn't know how to handle it, because it seems so hard to comprehend comparing these characters to Jesus Christ.
There is one living God, I love how you laid out the similarities of characteristics that people came to learn about God from so many different cultures in the spiritual timeline!
How do you know there's not two living God's? Because the "one living God" said so? Isn't that what he would want you to think?
Evidence for God means very little to an atheist, even if there was video evidence of God/Jesus many atheist would still choose to live without God in their lives because they say that God is not worth worshiping because they view God as some kind of monster; and also they’re not willing to give up their sinful lives.
That will still happen, when in the Millennial Kingdom Jesus Christ will be sitting on the throne in Jerusalem, in whole 1000 years many will choose to ignore Him.
@@KOIFishcat • Very true.
False. If there was any physical proof of a god, everyone would see it and accept it. We all see the sun in the sky and all 8 billion of us have the exact same conceptual understanding of it. Your god, just like all other only exists in mythological books and people's words.
@@BUNCHAPUNCHISTAKEN I doubt everyone would accept it despite seeing it. You know nothing John Snow.
@@BUNCHAPUNCHISTAKEN go on farting, fool
Jesus will come again
Come on guys, you’ve being saying this for 2000 years already.
Even if he did come back, he would be treated as the average street preacher 😂
@@LieMacbut beloved do not be ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8
@@LieMac Do you really think when Jesus comes back he will resemble his appearance of 2000 years ago??? That is ridiculous.
@@erickanter Obviously he was never a white man with long hair, but that is what I’m saying with the street preacher comment
Something that's came to my attention around 2015 was that not many people studied religious myths as intensely as I did growing up, but if mush up all the archetypes into 1 super myth, you just end up with Jesus inevitably being main guy in your imagination 😅❤
Very often, we Christians are ridiculed by anti-Christians for waiting two thousand years for the return of Jesus. But these are the people who have spent two millennia trying to make Him go away.
Nobody has any problems with Jesus as a person/dude/teacher/guy with a beard/guy that drinks water and poops like the rest of us. We have problems with him and people saying he's the one true God that came to save us. His CLAIMS. Even though there is no way to prove he never sinned. There is no way to prove that he was actually God. There is no way to prove that he actually rose from the dead. There is no way to prove that he performed miracles. All of these things are easily explainable. The whole of Jesus character as 'God' (outside of just being a teacher) is based on literal magic.
The burden of proof lies on Christians. Not non-Christians. Christians are the ones that rely on magic (you may call it faith or acts of God, but it is just magic under a different name). It's like if I were to proclaim that Flying Unicorns exist. The burden of proof doesn't lie on people that don't believe in Flying Unicorns. The burden of proof lies on the people that believe in Flying Unicorns.
It's the same with people that believe that Jesus is literally God. It simply doesn't make sense. I spent years trying to make sense of it, but every dead end is always bridged to another with 'faith' (again, magic with a different name). If the burden of proof had been 'proofed' yet by Christians, there wouldn't be a debate to be had. But, we know that magic isn't real, and that every magic trick is explainable, so there is no reason to believe in Christianity and Jesus as God.
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He hasnt come back because he wasn’t ever real, (he was, as an prophet.)
@@LieMac So he wasn't real but he was real and a prophet?
@@rdkayyvalorant Exactly what I said.
But none of that supernatural stuff.
Maybe I said it in a ludicrous way, albeit terribly but you get my point.
@@LieMac You can't necessarily prove something isn't real unless you have a really strong counter argument, but I think it's pretty stupid for 2 billion people to believe something completely wrong, and be very passionate about it. I've heard stories and seen videos of people getting healed after prayer in the name of Jesus, so how does that happen if he isn't real or a prophet? Not very many prophets were able to heal people.
Julian! this chart would look amazing for a poster. think about developing one with everything you had in the video because i would love to have your timeline chart framed!
Hey! This originates with J. Warner Wallace and his book Person of Interest, not me. :)
Check out his site for more inspiration.
Coldcasechristianity.com
Did Wallace and his team make the graphic or did you take the info and convert it into a graphic?
@@JulianGentry the one massive thing you may have forgotten to also consider in your argument is Roman crucifixion, had this cruel punishment not have existed, the story would have had a different ending and without it there may have been no long protracted suffering for Jesus and no "cross icon" that unifies believers and gives Christians an identity.
Loved this video by the way.
@@daleywhaley do some research...there is a Chinese Pastor on a You Tube video that shows the Chinese language as the OLDEST CONTUNOUS WRITTEN LANGUAGE....that in Chinese "pictograms"/"histograms" tells a story. One Chinese symbol is sort of like an entire sentence or phrase in English. .......The God of the Bible and Jesus the Christ is NOT a "white man" religion...it is CHINESE!!!
The "GREAT" God of the world is depicted as, "A man, hanging on a tree, on top of the world."
@@josephcernansky1794 that's such an ignorant take. it's only minorities and liberals with their hearts in the wrong place that would even dare call the faith "white man's" religion. There are born again believers all over the world. There may be a lot here and only a few over there but Christ is not and never has been a "religion" reserved for 1 ppl group and fellow believers shouldnt have to bring down any ppl group to lift up their own ideas. The fact genesis is written in the Chinese language doesnt prove Christianity is a Chinese religion. It proves the Bible is correct in that ppl(including the Chinese) devolved from the one true God into paganism/heathenism.
This was incredibly well presented and thought provoking. Well done.
Only thought-provoking if your hobby is believing religious lies.
One day to God is 1000 Years to humans. Multiply your age by 0.024 to get your age to God. This is why mankind has always wondered what’s taking so long.
😑. I ain't believing that man. I thought God lived among us. I thought he was all powerful and could do anything. Why would he create such a stupid mechanism
@@jonahjerryson4913 There is much to learn from the Bible, and humans won’t understand everything the living God does. The Bible is the word, meaning it is the truth. There is nothing on this Earth that apart from God that won’t let you down. He created mankind to love, and mankind to love him back. He didn’t want mindless robots. And if you think about infinite time, then 2000 years is a blink of the eye.
Richard Dawkins on being a Cultural Christian:
I like clean water but I hate the water treatment and purification facilities.
These comments are genuinely braindead. Have you not heard of nuance? He simply said he preferred it to Muslim culture.
Sounds like he has a superiority complex and a hatred for authority. He couldn't imagine submitting himself under the teaching of a church or pastor, let alone submitting his actions to the moral authority of the Bible.
@@davidwillhite421 Bro what? You're not that dumb, right?\
@davidwillhite421 Yep, very true. I would like to take that same argument you wrote and apply it to all non-Catholic Christians out there who consistently protest against the one, true, holy Church that Christ Himself established upon St. Peter (Mt. 16:18), that is, the Catholic Church. I mean, the canon of scripture that we have today didn’t decide for itself, right? There had to be a hierarchical authority within God’s Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, to discern and make a declarative answer on what writings were to be declared divinely inspired, right? Welp, that did happen many, many years ago and all thanks to the Catholic Church. :) People want to reject that fact, though, and don’t want to submit themselves to the Catholic Church; a few major reasons is because of Church teaching regarding contraception, active homosexuality and abortion. Talk about shooting themselves spiritually in the foot.
Zoroaster was a prophet of his religion(s), but did not claim to be one, himself. He claimed that there were two primal gods, Ahura Mazda (now usually Ormuzd) and Angra Mainya (now usually Ahriman), respectively the god of Wisdom (good) and Disorder (evil).
Likewise, the Buddha did not claim Godhood, but how to avoid and exceed the gods, which were essentially snares to catch souls and bind them to this world rather than proceeding to Nirvana (nothingness).
So the Buddha taught to go beyond the teachings of gods? What is nirvana about?
For now I'd still prefer heaven over nirvana. The soul loves stimuli, and for what I know, it was essentially created to experience those.
Excellent video. Plus over 95% of the world's population came after Jesus, so with good roads and communications it was the perfect time.
Can you please elaborate on what you said? Do I understand that 95% of the total population of the world that existed from the beginning of creation until now, lived after the birth of Jesus, and the remaining 5% before Him?
2000 years ago was once today. It doesnt matter when He chooses to show Himself, non-believers will always be envious it wasn't them.
Don't forget the Jewish punishment from Ezekiel 4 had to run it's course. 430 years - the 70 years of babylonian exile. 360 years of punishment left, then multiply by 7 because they were unrepentant (Leviticus 26).
@thegunsngloryshow unjust
So how does an Omnipotent and Omniscient god justify these type of actions?
@@philipgrobler7253 like what?
@@philipgrobler7253 We do not know. We are human. We cannot think like God. There would be no other reasons or justifications that could ever suffice our human logic. We have to take whatever circumstances that we can only understand like this video on what we could believe that Jesus is the one true God. God would never be simply constrained by human logic. Because if God can simply be proven by logic, then that would not be divine at all but just a finite thing. You may argue that the same can be said about unicorns, fairies, or any other thing that our mind could came up with.. Well... that is what this video is all about.
@@philipgrobler7253 How do we justify locking up violent criminals?
0:08 You are misrepresenting the question Richard Dawkings was asked and therefore his response. He wasn't asked if A God exists and his respnse was yes, rather COULD the answer be God and his response was yes.
Big difference.
You might be begging the question with this red zone.
You have a list of attributes assigned to only your god, but how was this list derived?
It would make sense that any set of attributes for a given god become less common in the trends of religion as you move back and forth in time from when the god appeared.
To only THE god you mean
This comment is so underrated. To add on to what was said here, Julian even said that the attributes were common things that people would attribute to gods and therefore things people would make up. Additionally, its no coincidence that the earliest religion to form in this list was the one that had the attributes a modern person would think of.
I’m 100% a Christian but I agree I was thinking this the entire time this video is pretty illogical with cherry picked stats. Keep looking though and Jesus will reveal himself to you in other ways
Did you listen to the prophecy part that Daniel gave ??
@@AdamSmith-ju7iy what ways? wind? Mary-formed stain on the wall? A dream? An exam passed after a prayer? Dont you realize this is bullshit?
Bravo! Thank you for your research! It was feral, grief and spot on! Thank you for that magnificent presentation!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Praise Jesus 🙏✝️❤️😊
11:20 when the accurate chart was revealed it was so impactful.. It almost brought a tear to my eye
Yeah, I was crying with laughter as well.
@@mirandahotspring4019 I’m sure you were not
@@mirandahotspring4019 Me too 🤣🤣🤣. This guy is an absolute delusional cult member whose only skill is plagiarism and believing the Bible is a historical document.
Yeah....extreme delusion does that to me too......
You’re the idiot he is targeting 😂
The timeline 😂😂😂
He created the narrative first using when deities came
About and we’re praised .
Then only got it to 700 years then had to use the creation of the post office to make the gap smaller 😂 what does that have to do with Jesus ? Lmfao 🤣
They adopted this language from another country what does that have to do with anything ? 😂the pax romana lmao I’m sorry man but ya need help .
I’ve had
A near death experience I’ve been in the light I’ve felt the love .
This is absurd . All religion on earth is wrong . Period
Yes god loves us all your purpose here is to experience joy.
You’re welcome the voice told
Me
When we die we become whole with all .
Jesus is the One True God
There can be only one.
So that would mean he sacrificed himself to himself to save the world from himself?
@@dizkoztu No.
@@eniolaelisery1503 so who was he sacrificing himself to then?
@@dizkoztu Yes. He is God after all. The Almighty, He can do what He wants beyond our comprehension since He is God. We cannot limit God for He is God.
I just love J Warner Wallace’s work. He breaks things down so well and tears down the ridiculous standards ppl set for belief in Christ, the divinity of the Bible, and God in general and calls out their hypocrisy for believing in things on much lower bars, the justice system included.
Similarities between arbitrary characteristics of gods is not evidence. Neither is "spiritual overlap" portrayed graphically. Also, you've basically decided that Christianity is special, and crafted a way to t show that when Jesus was around that time was somehow special.
AND prophets are mostly representations of deities on the earth and not true deities themselves.... This explanation is given without proper religious knowledge.....
@@DrTheamat
A big portion of christians belive Jesus is a god.
Its actually very heretical.
100% this!
Yours is not a counterargument. You are basically describing his thesis and adding "is not evidence".
He is no trying to demonstrate that God existis, he is trying to demonstrate that, should God exist and be willing to reveal to us, most likely God did through Yeshua (Jesus). And for that, he gives pretty solid and genuine arguments (although the video has different inaccuracies).
@oscar-ie2su, "is not evidence" because of anthropological, historical and contextual culture of the periods. He just didn't extend his reasoning as you also did not when you said "is not a counterargument".
I'm not a Christian, but I have to admit you've made a very good argument. I would also mention that this happened at a time when the Silk Road was well established, and Rome, Persia, India, and China were all able and eager to police it. There probably wasn't a better time for a viral idea to spread across the world until the Enlightenment at least... and it's possible that the enlightenment wouldn't have happened without Christian influences.
The obvious atheist criticism, though, would be "This confluence of factors had the people of that place and time primed to believe and sensationalize a charlatan more readily than any other time in history."
"Confluence" is simply a placeholder for LACK OF FAITH!
In faith there is enough light for those who want to believe and enough shadows to blind those who don't. Pascal
Blaise Pascal
@@evh3305
ALL is FAITH ... the decisive question is in WHAT!?
"The obvious atheist criticism, though, would be "This confluence of factors had the people of that place and time primed to believe and sensationalize a charlatan more readily than any other time in history."
Not only is that absolutely true... it appears that THAT is exactly what DID transpire.
@@bigair785 You’re saying that Jesus was a charlatan?
Haven't watched the video yet. But if I were to guess as to why he had to come 2000+ years ago and not today, it's probably because he knew we would get worse and farther away from him over time. We wouldn't be able to uphold the standards and rules of The Old Testament. He needed to do it sooner rather than later in hopes that it would allow more people into heaven than there would be before he made his sacrifice.
This is a great video! Highly informative and well put together. Thanks for posting!
Nice work. There is an error in Dawkin's logic in taking the society itself for granted. As if we would even be in the modern world without Jesus' first coming and without all the development that was brought by the church. "How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization" by Thomas Woods explains this in detail.
The church didn't build civilizations it stumped them and it was used to retard people.
What??? Civilization would have been fine-China had thousands of years of a more advanced civilization before and long after Jesus. And there was no "development" brought in-only murder, r*pe, slavery, and stolen lands led by the church for the kingdoms of Europe. Most of my ancestors would have survived to pass on their culture and lands without the worship of the myth of Jesus, so don't go all in on the Catholic church until you read the FULL story of all the pain and suffering those psychopaths caused. They didn't build it, they took it by force, subjugating everyone in their path for the glory of gold and power.
Oh yeah, and thank you Islam for preserving the knowledge that came before while Europe and Western civilization declined into the Dark Ages..
@@hurdygurdyguy1 Yes, and thank you to science and Dawkins for disproving most of what the Catholic Church has claimed for hundreds of years while building Western civilization and murdering the millions of native peoples that were in their way while they did it. Nice job, Jesus!!
01:54 you say he was predicted since the beginning of time. What evidence do you have for this? It sounds very hyperbolic.
I agree. The ancient religions were not predicting a future depiction or incarnation of a god, rather they were telling what they believed happened in the past or was currently true. It would be equally silly to say Christians are predicting the events of the Old Testament or that Muslims are predicting a Mohammed-like character in the future. Truly impressive logical gymnastics.
Also, the wisdom in the Bible and in Jesus's teachings is timeless... no other religious text or deity comes close to the amount of wisdom Jesus and the Bible provide. It the perfect book, I challenge anybody to write a book that can change the world, be important enough that even thousands of years later is still guiding people and saving lives. Good luck. Only one book has had that impact, the Bible. It's the perfect book because it's the word of God.
Christ is King
Backwards reasoning like a pro!
Glad I found someone pointing this out. I'm a religious person myself, but I cringe at the lack of critical thinking in a lot of Christian apologetics. The examples in this video are often used as evidence AGAINST Christianity by those that try to show that Christ is a myth that evolved from a long line of other myths.
@@dillon7748 you know I'm not a Christian but i dont think Christ was a mtyh but that he was an actual dude. The understanding that most Christians have today of what it means to be Christian is probably a large misinterpretation of an unoriginal, edited text.
@@ayoobi1691 The correct way of saying what you just said is that Jesus was a historical figure, which is undeniable at this point. The greatest understanding for what it means to be christian comes from the various epistles sent by the apostles, which is one of the most important parts of the new testament. I agree that the first part of the video suffers from confirmation bias and is stupid, however the second part is important because god revealed himself to the israelites and their nation was about to get destroyed, which means that the messiah had to arrive before the romans did their thing. Also it is impossible to know that humanity would have been able to reach the technological point it has today without the existence of christianity.
@@dillon7748 What do you believe in?
@@moxopal5681 Well actual dude/historial figure - he existed. I think the way I said it was fine. Well that's good that Jesus did his thing before the Romans did theirs. All considered, there's still a huge chance of people misinterpreting a very old text that has been tampered with.
Jesus could not have come today because today would not exist without Jesus coming 2000 years ago.
Our modern society, our "today", was built thanks to the scientific method, but where did the scientific method come from? It came from Christians who believed that Man is made in God's image and that God himself wants us to come to know him. Judeo/Christian philosophy also believes that God created the universe and set it into motion, but lets it operate by itself in an orderly fission via the mechanisms he put in place. (Any times he overrides these mechanisms, we get events that we call "miracles".) Belief in an orderly universe does not come naturally. Looking at nature, absent our modern knowledge, one would conclude that the universe is cyclical and chaotic. Not orderly and rational, starting at a beginning and playing out towards an ultimate goal.
So, believing that the universe is a complex machine created by God AND that we are made in his image, it follows that we can understand how the universe operates, just as God knows. We just have to find ways to determine what those mechanisms are.
So, in the end, the reason we have modern science and modern society is because of the contributions of Jesus setting us on the right path so we ended up with the today that we have. Like a parent who sets up the pieces, but lets their child go through the process of putting everything together to learn and grow.
Just deny the involvement or outside influence of the greeks and muslims or the other non-Christian civilization in the development of science
This exactly!
@@miguelatkinson Thats insignificant, who knows where the world would be if we only went with their innovations, but it definitely would NOT be here today. We would be in a different world and who knows if you'd still consider that type of society as a great time for God to reveal himself. But we know the only reason we are here now, in this timeline is because Jesus came when he came.
Exactly. America and our modern society as we know it wouldn't even exist without Christianity.
First, Spain only sent Columbus *after* the Islamic forces had been pushed out of Europe.
Even then, Cristobal Colon/Christopher Columbus was partially looking for a faster way to be a missionary to Asia (also looking for a faster way to get the riches of Asia from trade) by avoiding the Silk Road.
Last, the Pilgrims came over to America for religious freedom to worship Jesus.
If any of that had not taken place, it's conceivable that we would still be in medieval level of technology and never really explored the Americas (technology developed very slowly before the industrial revolution, with the Americas as the catalyst for hitting exponential growth).
@@miguelatkinsonthey weren't denying the involvement of non-Christians in science, but Christianity did hold Weatern civilization together during the medieval period.
Almost exclusively during that period, nearly the only ones who could read and write and were doing science were the extremely wealthy and Christian monks.
They wrote the books and monks like Mendel did the science.
Not exclusively, but in the West, they were the vast majority.
No Christianity = very limited technology.
Great chart. Adds another layer to the points about Rome and OT prophecy. Thank you
You mean OT lies......
Jesus was a spiritually enlightened person who indeed spread the word of God.
I went to catholic school in Spain for the first 18 years of my life, then after an angry atheist phase that lasted a decade, I found out what God really is.
My issue with christianism and any organized religion with a dogma is that they polluted and diluted true spirituality so much that it´s just turned into something completely different over the centuries.
"Christ conciousness" will come when all religions realize it was all the same God all along they were arguing about and all humans realize that we truly are sons of God and a part of "It" at the same times.
Until then: more division, more hate. Union and love are of God, division and hate are of the devil.
All paths. 🙏
Very good video. I’d like to point out though that 100 years window out of say 6000 years isn’t 0.0188%. It’s about 1.5% (very roughly).
You see, 1% of 6000 is 60.
You’re on the right track and your video made me think which is very very cool.
PS. Can you narrow it further?
I think he either needs to remove the percent sign, or move the decimal over two places to the right
29+70= 99
3,300+2024= 5,324
99/5324= .018 or 1.8%
So, yeah, he didn't move the decimal over in the graphic.
Math isn't his strong suit...obviously! LOL.....I checked his calculations......but in all honesty...I also checked his timelines of each "religion" too....they too are debateacle....but the gist of his thesis is CORRECT!!
I would also encourage you to look up on You Tube the Chinese Pastor that explains the 5000 year old CONTINOUSLY WRITTEN Chinese language that each "pictogram/histogram describes the Bible...in China, 5000 years ago!!! With NO input from any other parts of the world!! Particularly the Old Testament AND the Coming of The Messiah!!
He posted below video to that. 😉
Dayum! This is a fresh and unique insight! So refreshing. Thank you. Genius work.
The video's attempt to establish Jesus' deity falls short, as it overlooks critical historical and theological nuances. Rather than presenting a cogent argument supported by robust evidence, it merely reiterates common tropes without engaging with scholarly discourse. Its failure to address counterarguments or acknowledge the complexity of the subject matter undermines its credibility. In essence, the video's shallow analysis renders it more akin to satire than serious theological inquiry.
Jesus' portrayal often reflects a synthesis of preexisting mythological motifs. Yet, the question remains: does this amalgamation render him a figure of historical significance or merely another iteration of mythological storytelling?
The myth of Jesus gained widespread traction due to the logistical advantages afforded by the Roman Empire's extensive network of roads and infrastructure, enabling its dissemination across diverse regions. Nevertheless, the efficiency of its spread does not negate its mythological nature or diminish the need for critical examination of its historical validity.
Given the abundance of mythological stories circulating during his era, his appearance seems ill-timed for establishing a unique claim to deity, suggesting a potential challenge to the credibility of his divine status.
If Jesus wanted to maximize global awareness of his divine nature, appearing in a technologically advanced era with widespread communication channels, such as the present day, would likely be most effective.
I was thinking the same thing. I thought this video was satire at first and actually trying to prove why the deity of Jesus is a myth.
This is the comment I was looking for. I was never quite sure is Jesus miracles were real or fiction but the first 5 minutes of this video pushed me towards the fiction camp. I honestly thought that’s what he was trying to do.
Out of my experience of trying to bring people to Christ, I found one thing that sticks out.
many people believe in God and believe in Jesus, but they don't want God to dictate their lives. they wanna live it their way.
Yes. Even the demons believe Jesus is God, but they don't follow him
Honest question: what do the Jews answer to the prophecy argument?
They intepretate the prophecy differently.For example instead of Jesus they say the spiritual Israel etc...
There's a lot of prophecies that Jesus didn't fulfill, which is why they don't believe. Christians of course ignore/downplay anything they can't make work which is why they like to try and delude others into believing he did it all
Jesus’ timing was determined by Daniel’s 70 weeks prophecy. The location of His birth was prophesied as the city of David or Bethlehem.
House of Bread. I did a dive into the whole theme of bread and how it related to all the prophecies- look into it some time it was pretty interesting.
And then there is The Bereshit (בראשית) prophesy it just gets more fascinating by the day. GOD ALMIGHTY declared the end from the beginning .... only GOD ALMIGHTY can do that as HE IS EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME!
yes because making stuff up about something is impossible yeah... people can make stuff up from thin air about any god they believe but when it comes to your particular god then magically everything that was told about him is totally true
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Then just watch it unfold in disbelief - PRIDE - if you think you are the universe's smartass. Others have tried it and failed miserably, but then again you would know this if you had at least tried. But of course it is much "smarter" to listen to the gospel of THE SYNAGOGUE OF DECEIT!
@@ВячеславВячеславыч-с7с If you think it's all made up: why even worry about it or commenton the video- just go on with your life? Maybe you know in your conscience it's true. You are just mad about it still. Yeah, you know thats the case- otherwise you would not be here. We've all been there, once we get tired of being toddlers having a tantrum agianst our father, and grow up a little- we all feel alot better. That's when we come to realize the truth.
You also forgot book binding which was important in order to spread his message. Scrolls are very slow in order to get to the information you want to access whereas with books you can access almost instantaneously to it.
In one of the TH-cam videos of Pints with Aquines an arqueologist mentions the Roman Empire (peace, roads, all the known world united, etc) and book binding as the reasons Jesus was born when he did.
Wh 12:47 at? Where is that anywhere in scripture? Nowhere. You're just making things up now. Any idea that fits isn't necessarily "proof"
This is pure backwards logic.
If Jesus had existed before you could say Papyrus was the reason. Ifhe had come after you would say the printing press was reason.
You can't just describe the historical context of a supposedly divine event and claim the context is proof of divinity.
The fact he would recognize any god but refuses to acknowledge Yahweh the creator and our saviour says a lot
Dr. Michael Hieser has a whole video on how Revelations 12 is all about the birth of Christ. The prophetic language is describing constellation postions in the sky, giving the day Jesus was born. Very thought provoking.
Does Heiser ever elaborate on why one third of the angels rebel because of the birth of Christ? Were they obedient up until that point? What was their beef? Why exactly was that so challenging for them? In other chapters of the Bible oftentimes there are multiple events combined together in a manner that could make it appear that only one event is being referred to...how does Heiser know that Rev 12 isn't the same? There must've been four supernatural rebellions by the time Christ was born. They've rebelled for so many reasons and so often that I would be very concerned about them rebelling when heaven is full of beautiful people. How do they control their urges? Sorry, I just have all these questions and challenges to what Heiser taught. Though my views don't always align with RC Sproul, he was a brilliant communicator of deep biblical truths, yet he didn't buy into the Gen 6 explanation. In fact, there is a good video of him explaining those verses and it's not that long of a video. His and Masterpiece Bible are two that I recommend to people to get an alternate view.
@@truthbebold4009 Heiser specifically points out that no where in the Bible does it say 1/3 of the angels rebelled. Also, he is clear there was one rebellion. We are in the midst of order getting re-established, according to God's will and, therefore, timing. It one reads his material, one would know these things about Heiser.
@@rt3tech No, Heiser says that Rev 12 is about the angels rebelling because of the birth of Christ. My point wasn't about the percentage of angels rebelling, it was about the reason for their rebellion. Heiser's claim is that it is a rebellion because of the birth of Christ.
Heiser does not state that there was only one rebellion. He specifically states that there were three supernatural rebellions. I count four according to his reckoning. However, since the supernatural beings have rebelled at least three times (according to Heiser) who's to say there hasn't been more or won't be more.
@@truthbebold4009 The way you are describing Heiser's writings is NOT how I interpreted them. Also, you asked a specific question about the one 3rd angels pertaining to Heiser. As to why, well, isn't the reason obvious as to why there'd be a great war in the heavens when the Messiah arrived?
@@rt3tech He lists off three distinct supernatural rebellions of Gen 3, 6 and 11 and states that there were ”3 supernatural rebellions". I'm not real certain on what he taught about Rev 12 other than it was due to the birth of the Messiah. I honestly don't know the full depth of what he believes about that particular rebellion. I guess these rebellious angels were rebellious prior to the birth of Jesus but I'm not sure. I click on many of his videos but none that I've watched elaborate on what Rev 12 means; his main thrust is that it definitely isn't about Satan leading a rebellion prior to Gen 3.
i was thinking about this the other day and it makes so much sense that he came when he did because we needed the 2000+ years to happen so that the bible and scriptures circulate around the world enough, and when we get to these times now we can actually back track and look at how perverted the world is and all the prophecies coming true right now so that god can save as many souls as possible, right to the very end and to ramp it up right at the very end.
With the devil seriously overplaying his hand right now he's over exposed himself and is helping to save souls by being so open and in plain sight, everything is done by Gods will. God is great.
How perverted the world is now... you really need to study history.
Also... devil is overplaying his hand next to everything is done by gods will. Sounds like you just said God is the reason for the devils actions.
"Let me draw cherrypicked historical timeboxes until I fill a red box at around 0."
... is how this video should be titled.
You could legit make the same case for ANY historical figure. Hitler, Alexander the Great, Freddie Mercury... - now wasn't that the perfect time to meet those boys? Of course it was - because that's when they lived! Not because it was a culmination of outside factors that just plopped them into existence through greater cherrypicked plan.
The book I mentioned in the video is where this comes from. It has a lot more info. This is one part of a larger, cumulative argument for Jesus. This is not a comprehensive argument
It is somewhat adorable the way you use “apparently” as a qualifier for most deities but speak of Jesus with certainty.
This video is meant to be an argument for Jesus, not other deities, so yeah
This video unintentionally validates or gives credence to christ mythicism
Zeitgeist. It would seem there are similarities with many other stories, but none frrom before the Younger Dryas period.... for some strange reason. Perhaps the answers can be found in Mungo Man of Lake Mongo New South Wales, Australia.
Myth is one thing but the probability of fulfilled prophecy is another.
where are u getting this list of diety characteristics? seems incredibly random and not backed up by anything, almost like you have the answer in your head and first and then making up a characteristic to make it match haha
I think he took charactistics and deities commonly used as examples why Jssus wasn't reall and other similar arguments
He just took Jesus as sn example. Also claiming shared for is for the sake of talking . I mean. This whole video is hilarious with logical errors of endless Creativity 😂
I've binged so much God related stuff and have never heard of this concept before; really good video!
Thank you for this!
It could also be considered that in the vastness of this time that a "nobody" born in a "no where village" in poverty with no esteemed education shared his message for only 3 years before his execution. That is to say the nature and wisdom shared in 3 years was enough to spread his name across the world and 2 millennia.
VERY WELL MADE VIDEO. Lots of information that I am still processing but my initially reaction. Very well presented and thought out.
He came 2000 years ago because the fourth beast was Rome and the prophet Daniel said god will set up his kingdom during the fourth beast.
Okay, but the prophecy could have been changed accordingly.
@haggismcbaggis9485 the prophecy is the same in the oldest recorded text b4 Jesus time
@@haggismcbaggis9485 It is impossibly to find every piece of every old manuscripts, destroy them, make new ones and then fabricate the carbon dating and preserve them for the future. Its not a google doc that you can edit lol
@vladgor4099 lmao google how archeologist piece together broken pieces of manuscript of any finding to learn an ancient language
@@solomon6823 I am saying Daniel would have had a different prophecy. It is not like God is going to be unaware of when he sends his son.
Yeah, Jesus had to come when people were simple minded enough to believe that nonsense!
What a laughably predictable explanation. Well done! Pretty much confirms Jesus as a mythical construct from earlier beliefs!
Yeah and the stories were twisted to be very mythological too
This is his entire argument. The most powerful entity that exists requires humans to be at their maximum religious gullibility (in that specific region of the globe, mind you) to demonstrate "proof" of his existence... In today's world, that window of maximum gullibility has long closed, who now he's not doing it...
Today people believe in their astrological signs, a bride seeing her groom before the alter is bad luck, saying something negative will happen is a jinx, breaking a mirror or walking under a ladder is bad luck, COVID vaccines help against COVID-19 etc. that is much worse. 😂
Yet, people today are more superstitious than ever. You believe in your astrological sign, seeing your groom before the alter is bad luck, walking under a ladder is bad luck, breaking a mirror is bad luck, jinxing a circumstance, COVID vaccines actual work..etc You people are mental. 😂
Yet, people today are more superstitious than ever. You believe in your astrological sign, seeing your groom before the alter is bad luck, walking under a ladder is bad luck, breaking a mirror is bad luck, jinxing a circumstance, COVID vaccines actual work..etc You people are mental. 😂
Jesus arrived during the "fullness of time". Paul even says this
Bingo
Hey new subscriber, thought the video was great. I feel like you could have strengthened your reasoning why Jesus could not have been a mythological character, but besides that, good video
Perhaps that will be a future video... Thanks!
Not all were mythological. Buddha, Zoroaster were real people.
Well, it's agreed that a guy named Jesus(Yeshua) existed, even though there is ZERO historical paperwork of his birth and death. He was likely just another preacher like all the others in that region fighting for followers with MANY claiming to be the Messiah(this is a historical fact of Rome's Jerusalem) and why claiming to be the Messiah was automatic crucifixion for treason. The NT Messianic claims are nothing more than a bunch of fictional accounts written by various anonymous authors years later, sometimes hundreds of miles away in Greek. There are no firsthand witness writings. And don't even bring up that "Acta Pilate" piece of fictional fraud-it's all made up.
One more bit of "fallout" from that event 2000 years ago is the observation that before the BC/AD divide only one of those other gods quit being worshipped but after that divide a number of those gods quit being worshipped. The chart contains a bit of empty space on the modern end of it.
great point!
It isn't a matter of evidence but of the heart. No amount of evidence will convince someone that doesn't want to believe in a god that calls their desires sin. Even if God appeared in front of them, they would deny Him and believe they were having a delusion. They would rather believe everything came from nothing and when they die, they will return to nothing.
So, you believe gravity exists because of 'heart'? It's hard not to believe something exists when it can be demonstrated that it exists by anyone, at any time. Why is God much weaker than Gravity in this respect?
@@kellystone7501 Gravity is a natural law that has no will or sentience and requires nothing of us. It simply exists and we observe its existence. God as the sovereign creator of the universe who spoke it into being and set the parameters of said natural laws has a will and speaks to us and has expectations of us. Would you choose to obey those expectations if you saw Him face to face? Would you listen to Jesus if He went on CNN and walked on water? Nah, most people would say it was fake and continue living their lives as normal. God is not weak; He is waiting for people to seek Him on His terms - by trusting Christ with their lives. Seek Him and you will find Him.
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Because HE CAN - being OMNISCIENT, OMNIPRESENT AND OMNIPOTENT is unfathomable for man's mind unless submitting itself to GOD ALMIGHTY. Ever heard of "Quantum Physics"?
Delayed double slit experiment ... plus Bereshit (בראשית) prophesy should clarify some of man's mind confusion present in your comment. Declaring the end from the beginning is the ultimate proof of OMNIPOTENCE, OMNIPRESENCE AND OMNIPOTENCE!
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All man's mind is capable of doing to witness the effect of "gravity" all else being theories "explaining" REALITY, which most likely are fallacious and with most likely much better alternative explanation ... GOD ALMIGHTY will prove HIMSELF in due time!
@@ACuriousChild LOL. Nope. Science is based on, and provides EVIDENCE. Religion does not-they lie and tell you to have faith or you will go to hell.
Truly excellent presentation.
Thank you and God bless.
#praiseGOD
This needs more views! Amazing video, thank you for this great research
Why? .... HAVE FAITH!
Isn't that kinda biased? We already got Jesus, and you just pinpoint arguments to support your claim, that He came exactly at right time. If it were other time, you would be able to do the same with just other arguments attached to other timelines?
Your conclusion is logical, yet not very strong to unbeliever, because you just picked what you need to prove your point. If you pick other facts your historical window wouldn't shrink.
But for me the most powerfull argument you said in the end - is that Jesus came out of smalest nation, from unimportant family, under roman culture and yet, shined brighter than any other person on this planet. You just can't have that much influence being simply poor but wise man.
Anyway, great points, something to consider, really. Hope you would grow and spread the gospel wide and plenty
No his arguments where not good it just seem to pointing out characteristics and features of divinity widely held by humans and placing it at some arbitrary time saying that it had to be this way because and to also make another point he got quite a few things severely wrong here like making the buddha out to be a god which he is not he's regarded by buddhist as a pround spiritual teacher or saying that indra is a Tibetan god and equating Zarathustra as being a diety which he is not he's considered a prophet of the god Adurah mazad
@@miguelatkinson i see, what you are saying, but i would ask you to use propper punctuation next time. This load of text you made is pretty hard to understand. If you want to make a point it is your job to make it easy to digest for a reader. I am russian, and your text look for me more like a flow of a word salad, then constructed argument.
Anyway, i don't consider other teachings of pagans at that time having anything to do with Jesus, so for me it looks like an argument pulled by ears, but stable time of roman empire and development of postal services is, at least, reasonable argument.
And wondering about why then and not now is kinda pointless. All the development in ethics and morality today is based in christian values and are only possible because Jesus preached them 2 millenia ago. There would be different "now" without Jesus "back then", so "why then and not now" is just some "extra" question, not realy worthy of further reasoning.
But anyway, this answer might help someone come to Jesus, so it counts for me as good.
You missed the prophesy from daniel 9 that predicts his coming after 450 bc and before 70 ad and then literally predicts his exact arrival to the day.
@@vladgor4099 i didn't missed it, i am just arguing from a perspective of unbeliever. If you say to a non-christian guy: "there is a prophecy about Jesus, talking about His comming in this and that time period" the guy can simply say: "so to justify your source of information about Jesus(bible) you use that same source(bible)."
You see, how it seems like weak argument for a nonbeliever?
I believe that prophecies fullfilled fully in Jesus, and i know structure of the bible and it's time periods for it's books, but regular atheists doesn't. For me prophecy is good enough, for them it is not credible enough. But, for some reason, logic is what they admire, so i just pointed out logically sound arguments.
@@TEPMOBETEP Right but i would argue that that unbeliever doesn’t understand the source that is given. The bible isn’t a book written by some man. The bible is the compilation of songs, texts, letters and testimony over the course of thousands of years, written by many people in 3 different languages.
The prophesy to which i pointed to was written hundreds of years before Christ. The dating of such manuscripts are ancient. Matter of fact, the dead sea scrolls which are dated 200 years before Christ and contain said prophesies. So at the earliest, 200 years, but obviously much older.
Then the prophesies themselves which were fulfilled and documented by the apostles can also be argued. Considering Pontius Pilate a roman historical figure documented the crucifixion which was part of prophesy, and many others were documents by the apostles. The apostles later were given choices to renounce their claim that they SAW Christ rose from the dead, or die. They all chose death. Keep in mind nobody dies for something they KNOW is a lie. Here are some deaths they had to face
Cut in half
Boiled in oil
Crucified upside down
Burned alive
Beheaded
Stoned
They didn’t believe Christ rose or hear that he did or think that he did, to which it would make sense that they went to their deaths becuase they had faith to something they might or might not be right about.
They died for what they knew for a fact was or wasn’t a lie, because they claimed to have physically seen, heard, touched and ate with him after he rose. And nobody dies for something they KNOW is a lie, and surely not in those kinds of deaths.
Consider that, God bless
If I were to bring cherrypicked statements and called them empirical evidence it doesn't mean shit.
But you CAN'T do that, so your point is moot.
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That's exactly what this guy did in the video though, literally cherry picked data points at his own convenience.
Not to mention he's completely misunderstood Richard's question.
@@stormhawk31wdym he didn’t do it. he did lol
@@sadflamer23 No, he DIDN'T.
Awesome! Praise Jesus Christ our King
This was awesome! : )
Dawkins hasn't begun wisdom.
He is wisdom incarnate and one of the most respected scholars in the world. Just because someone disagrees with your beliefs using facts doesn't mean he isn't wise, it actually means that he is much wiser than you are.
great video man! i learned a lot
, Glory to God!
👏🏽👏🏽 this is most interesting stuff I watched in a while kept my attention the whole way keep em amazing videos coming
1. There are many similar gods worshipped today (allah, krishna, Buddha, Yahweh etc) so that reason isn't unique to that time. This isn't even considering the gods worshipped before the "red zone" like Ra, Odin, Sumerian deities, Indus religions, vedic deities etc)
2. People have been "thinking" about god since before the Red Zone and well after it passed. This argument does not make much sense.
3. Global peace and prosperity is the highest it has ever been in world history. The best time for Jesus to "come to earth" would undeniably be now or sometime in the future, when the amount of people that can be guided is highest, ease of information is better developed, and peace is ubiquitous.
4/5. Language and Road System; again this goes back to ease of information access and transportation. Back then people could barely write, forget recording infallible divine commandments that could be reliably transported around the world. If the goal of Jesus was to spread his teachings far and wide in a quick, effective, and efficient manner, today is the day.
6. I must admit my knowledge around the prophecy is not strong. However, it seems as though the way you portray it is a very christian interpretation that follows the Day-Year Principle, not one that is held in high regard by most Jewish theologians.
Overall, most reasoning in this video seems flawed, but I would love to hear why I am wrong
I don't agree with content of the video either but here is where you went wrong too:
1. There is only one God known by different names.. All people drink water but we have different names for it, doesn't mean it is a different liquid. God is beginningless and endless , he brings everything forth and gave us one true religion. Even though most world religions "look" different its essence is the same, do good and be rewarded. Also God's essence cannot be grasped (obviously how can the relative comprehend the absolute), but we know him by his Attributes (also known as Names) In Hinduism you have Brahman-Vishnu-Shiva (Creator-sustainer and destroyer of the world), in the bible the Alpha and Omega, in the Quran Al-Awal and Al-Akhir (the first and last). In Islam God has 99 names, not different deities, just One with different aspects, same thing in any other religion, the question is do people still get this or not?
2. Agree, this chart is meaningless I didn’t watch the rest, it refers to "recorded time" but I'm sure people have know God way before that. and it should be parallel lines, God sent a messenger (prophet) to every nation that speaks their language.
3. Not really, global peace and prosperity is the highest if you read Steven Pinker book, but in reality there is as much death in this era as anytime before caused by "first world countries" in parts of the world you don’t care or hear about in the news.
4/5. Religion is a pre-requisite to advance society, writing system was developed to record revelation, oldest manuscript in Aramaic was Book of Enoch, first book in Hebrew was the Torah, first book to be written in Arabic language was the Quran, the Spitzer Manuscript is oldest Sanskrit writing found which is related to Hinduism. Prophets are not sent to have good times, they come to usher in good times.
I think we are all disposed to believe in God, it takes an effort to fight against it. if you feel you want to learn and discuss more I’m happy to do so in the chat or privately in the messages.
I LITERALLY JUST HAD A TALK WITH MY NCO ABOUT THIS AND HE MADE THE ARGUMENT AND I WAS TRIED TO TELL HIM THERE ALL JUST BITS AND PIECES OF THE REAL ONE TRUE GOD AND WE END THE CONVO. I PRAYED TO GOD TO SEE IF I CAN TALK TO HIM TO SHOW HIM THAT ARE IS THE REAL ONE TRUE GOD AND BC THE EVIDENCE IS ALL AROUND US AND IF HE JUST READ THE BIBLE AND LOOK AT HISTORY OF THE TIME PERIOD. THANK U FOR POSTING THIS IMMA TRY AND TELL HIM AGAIN TONIGHT
have you looked at other religions too? christianity is just one of the bits and pieces
Why are you shouting??
@@Joykye yet we have more proof I.e. the red sea, chariots, the sand being glass when God use a fire to come down to guide and protect the Isrealites. Not to mention. We also need to bring up most cool thing I like. There our alot of prophecies of the coming of our savior Jesus and the chances of one of them likely to come true is like throwing a sliver dollar into a basket the size of texas of sliver dollars and picking up the same dollar u threw into the basket that's the chances of the actual prophecy of Jesus coming true because you have to remember there are alot of time and different people who prophecy of the him coming and dying of the cross for our sins
@@gabrielparker7126 bc i love my faith and want to keep pushing u know its great to be excited for your faith
@@Joykyeyes I did, and none compares to Christianity. It's not even close 😂 Christianity is far above in philosophy, historicity, consistency, anything, you name it