Pros And Cons Of A Wrist Rest | How To LEVEL UP Your Desk Setup |Wrist Posture And Forearm Pain
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- Whether you're a gamer or an office worker, you should not use the keyboard wrist rest to actually REST your wrist: rather it is meant to keep your wrists straight (no wrist extension) and thereby reduce the pressure on the carpal tunnel whilst limiting the strain on the wrist extensor and the wrist flexor muscles (extensor carpi and flexor carpi).
In this wrist rest review, I will tell you about the pros and cons of a wrist rest for keyboard from an ergonomic stand point. If it is misused, it can increase the risk of ulnar and radial wrist deviation, which is a source of lateral epicondylitis (tennis elbow).
The same reasoning applies to your mouse pad: you should float on it, not rest on it!
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Thank you for explaining this in detail. I've never seen the physiological rational behind the placement and angles of one's hands. Seriously, the best explanation I've seen on TH-cam
That was by far the most complete information on anything ever and yet was so simple and to the point. If teachers could teach like that, every single students would learn and reach their potential
My dear... we need to speak! Helping the younger generation has become one of my life goals, hence I need to connect with engaged teacher like you. If you feel like having a chat, send me a mail on ogirard [at] trainyourposture.com
Underrated video.
Thank you very very much!
I've been using wrist rests wrong and my carpal tunnel had been worse, thanks for helping me correct this!
Super nice feedback, thank you!!
concise explanation. I watched quite a few videos but no one mentions how the arm/wrist are supposed to move like u did in this video. thank you.
glide and fly on it! thank you so much, i've been having a lot of wrist pain lately and this video helped me decide to buy an extremal keyboard, so it gets easier while im typing and i can practice better habits!
Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video! It was really helpful and extremely well explained!!
Thanks for appreciating the effort!! There are a few hundred of hours behind this channel indeed 😅
Best explanation on TH-cam!
Amazing video. I have recently been having ulnar pains and this just explains everything I've been doing wrong and helped me to see why a wrist rest won't magically solve the problem. I need to stop making ulnar movements and use my elbows and arms more.
I am very grateful. Thank you.
Excellently explained, that is how a review should be. Instead of showing some random wrist rests, you very well explained the science behind and the to dos for one to make an informed decision. Well done again!
Thank you so much!! You know, the market of products is changing so fast that reviewing single items is often a lost cause: teach a man how to fish rather than give him a fish 😅
@@OlivierGirard very well said !
Really helpful video! Helped in my decision to get a wrist rest. Explained it well and in simple terms. Thank you 😁
This is great feedback, thanks a lot Mandy!
Very useful video, thank you. I was looking into a wrist rest but I think i'm good without one.
I just bought a wrist rest and its good to know!
Short and informative video 💪
Best explanation. Thanks for that idea!👍
i really thought wrist rest were a must. thank you for this information!
Thanks a lot for short and effective explanations!
Fascinating and very helpful, ty Olivier! My partner does the floating wrist and it looks so odd to me. He also thinks it's strange but it is what suits him. Now we know I'm the one using the wrist rest wrong. I have muscle atrophy and it is hard to lift my wrists so I do rest on the wrist rest to the point my palms get a dry patch. But I've gotten stronger now so I want to try focusing on the movement of my whole arms, not fixing myself into one spot. I hope more ppl find this video. Very life changing indeed!
Im actually in a market for a wrist rest myself but keep finding myself unsure if i ever need one. This video definitely answer my question. Thanks for the explanation!
That was excellent in every way thank you.
Thanks for the detailed video!
Thank you so much, this was very useful :)
Thanks for the information
I love your unbiased explanation, feels so genuine!
Thanks, Raiyan! Many tell me that I have a no BS channel, and that's really the type of feedback I love :)!
good video, thank you , very informative
Thank you so much for this clear explanation!!
You're most welcome Xinyi!!
Thanks. Very helpful. Subscribed
Be welcome on this channel, mate!!
Great info.
Ive got an Acrylic Keyboard Wrist Rest that allows me to slide around a bit. Killer info!
You're amazing! thanks for this knowledge.
That’s very kind of you, thank you!
Brilliant video. There is not enough accurate and well-explained information these days
That's a nice compliment, thank you :) !
Thanks, just built a pc using a RK61 keyboard and my wrists are bent upwards quite a lot. Perfect information
i think you will be saving my left wrist. ive had pain shooting up my arm and i think it's causing me to be very tense so the tension goes up to my neck it feels like... i bought something to stabalize it while i sleep and i bought wrist rests and when it came to use it (like right now) i had no idea how. thank you, thank you so much !!!
Thanks for this
Good video sir
wonderful video
Good Video
Thanks ❤
Thank you
Merci pour les infos, hyper utile
Avec plaisir :) Si vous avez d'autres thématiques importantes pour vous, n'hésitez pas à me le dire!!
Merci beaucoup pour la video!!! =D
This was very helpful! I'm struggling to define the right keyboard for a MacBook, using the Magic Keyboard. Finding that for long programming sessions, my wrists start hurting. The cues of moving your elbows and keeping your wrists straight are good ones. I'm so habituated to resting my wrists on the table however that it's going to take some practice to integrate your tips.
In the meantime, try and integrate the upper body reset in your daily routine... aim at once per hour: th-cam.com/video/LdDnb3Miwss/w-d-xo.html 😀
thank you for this video
It's my pleasure, dear :)
good stuff
Damn, this is a fantastic explanation in general. - I have a horrible habit of leaning into my wrists, even when using the mouse. - I don't know why... I know I do it, but I keep doing it. - I guess it's because I lean forward, despite having a very good chair. - I need to lean back more and not forward and use my arms and wrists as support.
Looks like I don't need one. Thank you so much for this video, Olivier!
See... I can even spare you cash :) !! You're very welcome, dear
@@OlivierGirard you sure did😊
Awesome explanation! Answered my questions perfectly! Although, I didn't care for how LOUD the volume got at the end of the clip. My wife is sleeping, she wouldn't like getting woken up to that 😁
My apologies to your wife!!! Tell her to blame it on my learning curve 😂!
Thank you for this. I was planning to buy this but then I realized I don’t need it hehe
Yeah, that’s how you spare money ;) !!!
outro music really startled me haha. good video though
it's meant to be a wake-up call 😂... thanks for the feedback!
Thanks a lot 💪😎👍🛐
1:20 is it only with typing when fingers are moved with wrist or mouse too? I feel extremely well for long hours exactly using this wrist-only moves for mouse
Thank youu
okay imma be a floating man for now on ;D thx bro .
you'll see... it feels great man :) !
well, i almost spent 20 dollar for wrist rest where i dont need it. Thanks Man. Really appreciate
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Hi @Oivier! What would you recommend for long term usage from an ergonomic point of view for a programmer(not typing as much as professional translator or writer), an ergonomic but full size keyboard(like K860 you showed) or a TKL(compact without numpad)? Thank you in advance!
Hey mate! Have a look at this other video on how to choose an ergonomic input device: th-cam.com/video/N3M4alrqy60/w-d-xo.html. If you don't use numbers too much, I'd definitely go for a compact keyboard (I use Logitech K380) because it allows you to keep the mouse closer to the midline of your body, which will reduce neck strain. Makes sense?
@@OlivierGirard yes, thanks a lot.
I have a thicker keyboard and I use the wrist wrest to provide support for my arm. The weight of each arm is being supported by the bottom part of the palms, to keep my wrists from being compressed. Is this okay?
Also, my arms come at the keyboard at an angle, like this: / \. I figured it would be best if they came at it like this: | |. But my shoulders are too wide, so I tried a split keyboard by kenesis, and it was completely flat and didn't let you angle it, so it was very uncomfortable.
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It took me time to understand what this means... I initially thought of the animal 😂. I'm definitely getting old...
What are your opinions on memory foam pillows im using one right now it has a shape for the neck curved inward is this good?
As often, it depends 🤣... memory foam is super comfortable but it tends to soften when warm. For example, I have on my webshop a lumbar support made of this material, which people love. But when you sit, you shouldn't sit for 1hr in a row. Hence, you should check that you have the same quality of neck support after a few hours.
The other thing is that your pillow is shaped. In a way, it limits the mobility of your neck. If you're a quiet sleeper and you feel comfortable in the position offered by the pillow, great. But I'm not quiet and I keep turning the pillow to rest on the cold side of it. So for me, using an asymmetric pillow is very uncomfortable.
Hence, it depends means in this case that I have nothing against it per se if you love it, but that I advise people to test before they buy. And as far as pillows are concerned, it's often not easy to test for long enough: there's always a part of a risk. But what's sure is that you NEED a pillow that makes you feel comfortable: it's essential to your sleep quality.
Makes sense?
Great explanation. One important point in my experience is the distance at which you place the keyboard. When you place the keyboard very close to the edge of the table (I keep mine as close as possible) you do not have to hold your forearm up, which is tiring and IMO the reason why many rest their wrists while typing. So I think wrist rests are in that sense bad that they force you to push the keyboard farther away from you and thus increasing the work to hold the forearm up, thus in the end then "needing" the wrist rest, but just because you added the extra distance through the wrist rest.
So I think best is to have a keyboard with no wrist rest. One exception would be _if_ there would be a rest attached to the keyboard, which could float (extend) from the table a bit and thus allowing to use the rest as such, only when typing is paused.
What are your thoughts on this analysis/ experience from me?
You're right, Nick: you analysis matches what I say in this video: th-cam.com/video/a7qhAgXgQT0/w-d-xo.html. There are maybe some more parameters to consider, though:
- if you have a thick keyboard, a wrist rest might be more useful than if you have a flat one
- if you don't hold your arms on your lats, you may feel that they hang in the air: th-cam.com/video/uZqVPBeOhzA/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/uZqVPBeOhzA/w-d-xo.html
@@OlivierGirard Thank you so much for the detailed and helpful answer. :-D Also the videos you have linked are really very insightful! Much appreciated! 🙂
Hi Olivier, provided my elbow height is barely scratching the desk (my thighs are snug up against it), is it fine to rest my palms alone on the desk as I type and mouse, since I don't have neither down or up wrist extension? Having watched some of your different tutorials, it seems like resting even part of my forearms on the desk is a no-go in the long run. Floating my hands takes practice, I suppose. Thanks!
Hey Piotr :) Sorry for a very late reply! I'm not too sure, but I think your desk is quite thick, right (or there's a thick reinforcement)?
Reg. forearms: there's a difference between contact and pressure: your forearms can be on the desk as long as they have their full mobility, which is difficult to keep for prolonged periods. Check out this full explanation and let me know if it makes sense: th-cam.com/video/uZqVPBeOhzA/w-d-xo.html 😅
If you are likely to misuse the wrist rest is it worth having? I have always used them as a place to rest even while typing and am debating if I should eliminate them all together.
To be very honest... I don't use a wrist rest anymore :)
what's the ideal distance between your body and the keyboard. Like should your arms somewhat extend when you type or be more tucked in.
Everything is on my channel, dear 😂: have a look at this one th-cam.com/video/DCWI0v5gx-w/w-d-xo.html
What about mouse rest? Is it the same condition where your wrist should be floating instead of being stationary on one location? Also, a mouse rest is only that small and is fixed location.. is it recommended to get it then?
Indeed, the wrist should be floating as well. And the size may be a limiting factor indeed. Plus, they aren't appropriate if you use a vertical mouse. Hence, I think it's better to have a vertical mouse but no mouse wrist rest.
wondering about those wooden wrist rest ie: (Glorios wooden wrist rest ) i think they are same as not having but i might be wrong
well… it’s true that if you use them as wrist RESTS, they might cause excessive pressure on sensitive tissues. If you use them as wrists LIMITS, i.e. just to float on top of them, why not. But really, I don’t see the point of these things vs. their padded equivalents. I had never seen them: thanks for pointing them out!
Is it okay to rest your palms on that palm rests, while not typing?
Sure, no problem!!
Is there a solution for those which spend many hours at the computer and tend to fatigue by supporting their arms for extended periods?
Have a look at this video on armrests: I think you'll get quite some answers out of it th-cam.com/video/uZqVPBeOhzA/w-d-xo.html 😉
I like your video. Can i refer it to one of my friend who has a chiropractic directory?
Of course dear, with great pleasure - and many thanks!!
I tried those mouse pads with straight lined rear raised gel, after pc gaming with it ~3 hrs my lower wrist still hurts about same, my this type don't work.
Honestly, I don’t think any wrist can sustain 3 continuous hours using a mouse, mate. Is there any way you could take more frequent breaks?
Hey, is there any difference with mouse wrist rests?
Yep... you shouldn't use one with a vertical mouse: it causes lateral wrist deviation!
My chair is lower than my desk, and my keyboard is quite tall so i need a wrist rest to reach the keys properly for my small hands. xD
The concept of floating on the wrist rest is great for people using the computer for a few hours, but not a solution for someone who uses it 8-16 hours a day for work. It's kind of amazing that no product has nailed this yet. They'll run a distraction for a bit, know what I mean, with something like a vertical mouse. They''ll be effective for the people who only use a comp for a few hours a day, but anyone that uses the comp for long hours learns within the first day or two that a vertical mouse creates a whole new type of pain because you now have to create back pressure with your thumb. Additionally, you lose so much precision using a vertical mouse which makes it almost useless for CAD drawing, charting markups, detailed graphic design, etc., so you end up alternating between reg and vert mouse, which triggers both injuries and makes them both worse as a whole, lol.
you could try MS Sculpt Ergonomic Mouse
I thought wrist rests were just for people whose finger nails are long, and maybe acryclic and that's just how they type. Wrist rest just really get in the way for me, but I type more like a pianist with upright curled fingers and really short nails and that's just natural for me. I never get carpal tunnel but I do get sore hands from vaccine induced arthritis if I type too much.
Me and you should invent the sliding wrist rest
someone has been faster than us : www.amazon.ae/Reloot-DeltaHub-Ergonomic-Physician-Designed/dp/B08KCQK7JD :) !! But after testing, I found it so-so... maybe we can make it better!!
@@OlivierGirard Have you had a chance to try the version 2 as well? People say it's been vastly improved. I'm wondering if it would be nice to have one for my left hand and one for my right hand (to switch between mouse and keyboard) instead of a rectangular static wrist rest for the keyboard. What do you think?
Well shirlock how do gamers glide? Our wrists are still when using “wsad” for hours
I know... that's because you set a super high velocity on the mouse. But most people can't master this, esp. on office tasks. And... you won't find any video on my channel saying that gamers don't / won't ever have pain ;)
I just use a bunched up cloth for a wrist rest
Perfect idea 👍🏼!
my wrist needs to rest on the table while playing games. so i guess i need a wrist rest
maybe... but you also surely need frequent breaks 😉
I came to the same conclusion opting not to buy a wrist rest support
Honestly, I don't use on either...
Thinking of leaving this computer job i have cervical back pain wrist pain
I think it would be cheaper for you to first consider my short posture program: give it 24 days and it will always be time to decide! www.trainyourposture.com/onlineprograms.html
they should call it "wrist lift" not "wrist rest" so there will be no misunderstanding, but also no sales :D
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