I’d love to hear from you: what’s YOUR favorite fan game or mod? (I’ve got a special spot in my heart for the Thomas the Tank Engine Mod in Skyrim, but alas, it didn’t feel right for this particular episode...) Likewise, if at any point you’d like to check out the mods discussed in this video, links are in our sources and attribution spreadsheet: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1onrL3SM7_CMly6fkcf-EK7c46zI3nz1oSQbZl6KXBO4/edit?gid=1623343450#gid=1623343450 Thank you so much for watching!
A couple of my favourites: NewER Super Mario Bros Wii, a "total conversion" mod that imo is even BETTER than the base game it's designed on. Also, while it isn't technically a "fan game" I love the "DX" patch for Super Mario Land 2 for the game boy, which basically turns the r*m into a Game Boy Color remake AND it adds Luigi as a playable character who has different physics than Mario!
@@PixelHog916 internet users don't even give a shit if nintendo is unconfortable of having "inappropriate content" of their frachises and IPs because rule 34 says "If it exists there is p*rn of it"
Even if fair use wins in court, fangames are still kind of guilty of _trademark_ infringement for using the name. -Bloodborne- Nightmare Kart, for instance.
Sega might be inconsistent with the quality of their games, but their attitude towards fan creativity commands more respect from me than Nintendo's had since the GameCube days
Yup, I'm right there with you Grid. Hopefully ... one day ... Nintendo is able to learn how to treat their fans a little better on this front. Thank you for checking the video out!
@@redstone0234Don’t they hit DMCA strikes for personal fan game projects through that their ATLUS subsidiary? I remember hearing about that in some other video, which makes sense since it would save face for SEGA with their sonichu fanbase.
For a project to be oficial takes more than just drop it on the on internet, you can see it whit alex kid, streets of rage 4 where they aproached sega first, if you dont you get you game taken down, like streets of rage 2 remix. Also mario strikers and samus returns are the result of western fans that pitched their ideas to nintendo first
I know the feeling; I hope they can reflect on how they've treated these communities and do better in the future! Thank you for checking out the video @Minronis, I really appreciate you! 👋
@@majamystic256 i like some of their franchises but i refuse to buy them cuz they own shitty policy. I'm sure they are the kind that will erase and block your access to a single player game just because they can
Nintendo sometimes acts like if a car maker said: "No aftermarkets! No parts! No races! No selling modified versions! No hot-rodding! No performance mods!" ... which is why it's so _frustrating_ that companies like Tesla and Ferrari actually _do_ that.
@@IamCoalfoot it is their choice as a company to do with their business as they please within legal boundaries and it is your choice as a consumer to continue giving them more money. Nintendo is not doing anything wrong, what they are doing is not illegal, anyone has the right to protect their own IP and COPYRIGHT from being infringed.
@Bond01_ Yes, they have copyrights and an obligation to defend them. But in truth? Copyright and Trademarks are just as much about Image control as they are about Exclusivity. And damaging your Image? When popularity is the only real thing you _have?_ When there are much better ways to do it but you can't be bothered? That damages more than just the company. That damages the Brand itself.
@@IamCoalfoot No one is obligated to do anything with copyright, or streamers playing games would've ended ages ago and even Nintendo let's them stream in peace nowadays. Petrella v. Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Inc. >It is hardly incumbent on copyright owners, however, to challenge each and every actionable infringement. And there is nothing untoward about waiting to see whether an infringer’s exploitation undercuts the value of the copyrighted work, has no effect on the original work, or even complements it. Fan sites prompted by a book or film, for example, may benefit the copyright owner. See Wu, Tolerated Use, 31 Colum. J. L. & Arts 617, 619-620 (2008).
I always love reminding people that Pokémon Uranium is still receiving events and updates even after the "takedown". In fact, there's an event right now for its 8th anniversary.
Oh I didn't know, thank you for that!! It genuinely makes me so happy to see fan communities continuing to pour their hearts and creativity into those kinds of projects. Thank you for sharing the joy, @LuisQuartz!
@@nascour5991 pokemon uraniums devs are actually making a better fan game, pokemon flux! its currently a work in progress, but its SO much better than uranium.
Hell look at one of the most successful official _Sonic_ products in the last decade, _Sonic Mania._ Sega basically saw what the fans were doing, hired them, said "Have at it, and we can all profit."
Yup, this one 100%. SEGA does it right! It's beyond mind boggling that Nintendo doesn't see what an amazing opportunity it would be to recruit the folks that make fan games for their titles. It's like ... letting so much incredible talent and passion just ... walk out the door ... Thank you for watching Vercalos, appreciate you!
@@NotYourFriend-YT They only do it with sonic in other franchises they just as strict as ninetndo Christian Whitehead really strugled to make just sonic mania a thing
@@redstone0234 Christian Whitehead was doing everything to get noticed by SEGA for releasing that Sonic CD port, while using what he had learned with his fangames since 2005, and making it official. Later that they decided to lend him the work to do the Sonic 1 and 2 port of the Retro Engine and after that they allowed him and his team to Mania. It took a decade of work and perseverance from the him and his team to make Sonic Mania a reality.
It's incredible the amount of work and passion that goes into these fan games; I'm glad you've gotten to play some of em', @JamesTDG! Thank you for checking the video out -- I really appreciate you!
Kinda reminds me of Hollywood with Megaupload. The only reason their low quality work at the time was even known was because people watched it for free. Megaupload was their Lifesupport, and they sued and took it down thinking it stole their customers. The reality is, you want people to engage with your creation. You want people to play any mario game, to play any pokemon game. You want people to engage with your material and then spread how good it is. Even if you are not selling it, you want your customers in arms reach when your next game is ready. You don't want people to disengage from your franchise for years on end, because they are not coming back. Nintendo is taking a huge reputation cost in order to turn around and shoot themself in the foot. It is quite common that giant companies, when they feel like they are too big to fail, no longer care if an action is good or bad for them because it doesn't matter to them anymore.
That's a great point, @TheTSense - word of mouth (and spreading good material) is a powerful way for companies to get exposure! It also cuts both ways, negative press burns bridges really quickly ... it's a shame that Nintendo has gotten to the size that they don't seem to mind all that much. That said, I really appreciate you sharing your insights and for checking out the video. You are appreciated! ❤️
Fair point. However I feel Nintendo will require more years and total economy collapses before they're finally at critical mass. Mostly because of the problem that people are just too stupid. We already have a lot of kids or basement dwellers who are the exact same meme format as the "leave the multimillion dollar company alone" guy. People these days just have *_no sense_* in spending their money, especially with the economy happening rn.
Spittin' *FACTS*, @nomcatas - I haven't talked about it yet, but everybody knows how the quality control went on Scarlet and Violet ... 😬 Thank you for checking out the video, I really appreciate you! ❤️
@@NotYourFriend-YT Yea, QA on Pokemon SV literally went "you can't release this in this state" and yet The Pokemon Company still replied with "we'll release it in this state" because they wanted it out within the fiscal year, completely ignoring how the actual games fell apart at the seams as soon as you get out of menus.
And then they didn’t return for Superstars, and guess how that turned out. It’s not like there’s other sonic fan game devs Sega could use to replace Whitehead.
Nintendo has been like this ever since they won that case against King Kong. They saw how "easy" it was to hijack IP, and they'll be damned if anybody is going to do that to them. The people who performed this coup are still working for Nintendo, and they are poop-their-pants scared that they'll lose [insert character here] the same way if they don't rabidly defend their trademarks. Also, they are not misunderstanding U.S. copyright law - they follow Japanese copyright law which is far more draconian; they simply don't care how things are done in America. With that being said, they could be less douchy. I am not a lawyer. Be nice.
This, 100%! In hindsight I should've talked more in the video about the Donkey Kong / King Kong lawsuit, because you're right-it really affected Nintendo as a company and set a precedent moving forward. Thank you for checking out the video, Alan!
Nintendo's legal division just needs to take a chill pill while their tech bros develop a slightly more powerful console next gen. Their PR will skyrocket again. Just leave a sticky note in their bathroom: "Try not to be an A#$%^#$ to Nintendo fans today" Maybe start a pizza party reward program for "X days gone without attacking our target demographic", just a little somethin' to keep their spirits up.
I still find it funny Universal attacked donkey Kong for copyright infringement and one of the byproducts of that case is universal allegedly from what i heard losing that copyright for a time. Also if i had a nickel for everytime Nintendo struck down a huge game that would then spawn a game I can't get enough of, I'd have two nickles, and it's surprising it happened twice. I'm referring to Terraria and AM2R whicb the devs of made Ori
I still find it funny Universal attacked donkey Kong for copyright infringement and one of the byproducts of that case is universal allegedly from what i heard losing that copyright to king kong for a time. Also if i had a nickel for everytime Nintendo struck down a huge game that would then spawn a game I can't get enough of, I'd have two nickles, and it's surprising it happened twice. I'm referring to Terraria and AM2R whicb the devs of made Ori
@@supersayainasriel6745 No, the situation was that it was ruled that King Kong was Public Domain, which means it belongs to the world and not any one person or company. Outside of the shady practice of lobbying to increase how long an IP can stay out of Public Domain, anything older than 20 years is supposed to count as such too. It's the basis for where I consider emulation to start counting as actual piracy (Wii and older is good, Wii U only gets added once the Switch 2 becomes a thing).
SEGA: "What is your history in game development? How much official education have you had in this field? If you haven't done either of these things, come back again in 3+ years."
This is not really news to me anymore. Infamously, Nintendo had been after most of Kaze's Super Mario 64 ROM hacks and filing a DMCA on them. Fortunately, some of his most popular Mario 64 ROM hacks are still available to download and play, like Super Luigi 64 and Super Mario 64 Land.
Thank you for sharing this info Marissa; I didn't know Nintendo was *STILL* going after Kaze's stuff. That's awful. I genuinely don't know what it'll take to wake Nintendo up and realize they should be celebrating that incredible creativity. I said it in the video, but most companies would jump for joy to have fans that passionate! The mario community is lucky to have Kaze in it! Likewise, thank you for checking out the video Marissa and for commenting. You are appreciated!
@@ultimate8125 We should all be glad that SEGA is pretty cool with Sonic ROM hacks and fangames. Hell, Sonic Mania actually WAS a Sonic fangame originally until SEGA noticed it, asked the developer if he could sell it as an actual game and he agreed to do so under SEGA's licence.
Nintendo is nobody's friend, because they have backstabbed a bunch of their supporters, whether it is fans or other companies trying to do business with them, because I still remember the case with the Donkey Kong programmer, where Nintendo illegally copied his source code to mass produce Donkey Kong cabinets around the world, and they had threatened the guy and even told him that he had no chance at winning, but because the guy was able to prove that the source code in all those cabinets that were not made by him had his source code, the judge moved in his favor and he won the case which is one of the cases that Nintendo has lost in a courtroom, and there were others such as the game genie one and etc, but because Nintendo does not want people to look into their past, they have covered most of these cases and even info regarding them which is why not many folks know about them, and they even tricked companies like Sharp into giving them specs on what a good portable device screen should have been, because they pulled that kind of crap when they were making the GameBoy, but even though they had used Sharp's resources and time, they then went with another manufacturer basically backstabbing Sharp, and they basically tried to do the same thing with Sony when they wanted to use their CD technology, as they were working with them to make the Nintendo Playstation, but because Sony would have gotten publishing rights since they were going to use their CD technology, Nintendo pulled out of the deal in the worst way possible, by basically announcing in that years electronics consumer show that they were going to partner up with Philips instead, because their plan was to basically publicly humiliate Sony, so that they wouldn't be able to resort to some kind of retaliation , but Sony just moved on to announce the Playstation as their own console, and as such Nintendo basically created their own worst enemy because of their crappy business practices, and its crazy how such a company has managed to last thing long, because with how evil and anti everything Nintendo is, they should have gotten bankrupt a long time ago and they don't deserve what they currently have, I highly encourage people to look up their history, because this is a company that has even stole funding from schools and stuff, by suing them just because they had Nintendo decorations or merch decorating the schools, since the students had been big fans of theirs, instead of Nintendo just doing a cease and desist or something, but that's just how Nintendo operates...
@@woshee_real Yeah, its just nuts, thats one of the best comparisons you can make though, because Disney is just as bad as Nintendo if not worse, and I would have liked to talk more such as how there are even rumors that Nintendo was the cause for Argonaut games becoming ruined, because those developers had been creating pretty good games for Nintendo and stuff, they were the ones who made Star Fox and even had Star Fox 2 pretty much almost finished, but Nintendo didn't let them do what they wanted, and supposedly when they pushed out the idea for a Yoshi 3D game, they had a working prototype, and showcased it to Nintendo but they acted like they were not impressed, and the rumor is that they used that prototype as inspiration for Super Mario 64, and then Argonaut games in frustration made Croc in order to keep using the assets that they had already made, again though this one is unconfirmed, but I'm sure that there has to be some truth to all the rumors around, and the only way to truly know is for someone really good with investigative journalism to tackle most of these rumors, and that is why I normally mention facts like the one with the Donkey Kong programmer.
I agree with your sentiment but have you heard of this thing called a "period"? It's this little dot you put in long texts to break it up into sentences so people don't have to read 500 words without a place to pause 😛 I'm messing with you a bit but damn, that was the longest sentence I've ever read!
@@mronewheeler Sorry, English is not my native language so I sometimes get carried away with the punctuation, and another thing is that I am on mobile, so I get too lazy to do proper editing there.
@@woshee_realexactly that’s what Nintendo is they are Disney in form of a videogame company and i still don’t understand these people who still shit talk anything that EA does but then still simping for Nintendo by admitting that they are shit when it comes to copyright claims but then twisting the argument around by saying stuff like „yeah but you need to understand they are the rightful owner of there IPs and bla bla bla bla bla“ it‘s so incredibly tiring to have hear these arguments over and over again for *years* 🫥
What it comes down to for Nintendo, more than anything else, is _control._ They want players to play their games _Nintendo's_ way, and not anyone else's. This goes from playing fan games not made by Nintendo, down to playing official Nintendo games on official hardware _different;y._ Some of Nintendo's community managers were threatened to be fired over the mere _suggestion_ of doing a Nuzlocke run on video. This goes back decades too. Even to _absurd_ levels. Like, the reason they withheld themselves from using full properly orchestral music for so long, was all because playtesters would perform actions in time with the music. Oh no the horror! That's how absolutely insane Nintendo is. You _WILL_ play and think about their games _THEIR_ way and not any other. Including when they start screwing you over or delivering subpar products.
Yup, this is a great summary @GreatFox42 - control has always been at the heart of how Nintendo views their intellectual property. I had a bit in the episode at one point referencing how Nintendo SUED BLOCKBUSTER (the movie rental company) ... but it didn't make it into the final cut. They've been ... very quick to phone the lawyers over the years ... Thank you for checking the video out, really appreciate you sharing your insights!
@@NotYourFriend-YT Yep, I remember that incident. It doesn't get talked about much, as their battle against Game Genie tends to overshadow it, but it's even more screwed up than that one imo.
@@SpaceWitchJack I thought I was the only one put off by totk. "Unleash your creativity! But only if we thought of your idea first." Despite how much more you can do in it, I can't help but feel more limited than when I play botw. No hate to anyone who likes totk, it's still a great game.
i think people often tend to forget too that for every fangame that gets taken down theres dozens of new ones being uploaded everyday, not to mention the reason WHY they get taken down is because big news sites like kotaku alert the masses *INCLUDING NINTENDO* about their existence.
Yuuuup, this 100% -- I agree completely, @yggdrasilsaltar! 🔥 When Nintendo decides to go scorched earth on these games / communities, it brings *SO* much visibility to them than if they'd otherwise just ... not said anything at all. It's really a no-win situation! I hope that Nintendo can learn to embrace fan games and content, at least a little more than what they've done historically. There's much passion and creativity to be found there! Likewise, thank you for tuning in -- I really appreciate you sharing your insights. ☺️
You and me both, @ironencepersonal9634! I'm glad that they continue to make amazing games -- they have a lot of talent as a company! (I just hope they learn to embrace fan works someday..) 🙏 Thank you for checking out the video, I really appreciate you!
I thought the problem wasn't sales, I thought it was something about brand image. Nintendo wants to have ALL the control over their brand image and IP - and to that end, they will prevent anyone saying things about it that isn't their ads. It's why they don't like let's plays either. I think that's still stupid, of course
Yuuup, I *completely* agree @warioland523 - if Nintendo would just loosen up a little bit on this topic, it would really improve the relationship with their fans / those communities. ❤️ Thank you for checking out the video, I really appreciate you!
yes and no. what if a kid downloads a mario fangame. but it's one that's uh. not for kids. then the mom goes on to complain about why such a mario game exists. not realizing it's not an mario game made by nintendo themselves.
@@ghoulchan7525 Simple, nice and easy to read text that says "This product is in no way associated with Nintendo". You would need to be a damn IDIOT to miss it!
Except there is bad about it. It baffles me how many of you here argue it falls under "fair use" -it doesn't, literally just google "does fair use allow fangames", it will tell you that fangames are an unauthorized use of copyrighted material. Copyright literally means "right to copy" -you as a fangame creator DON't hold their copyright and therefore don't have the right to copy or redistribute copyrighted content claiming it's "fair use". Fair use is for purposes of commentary, criticism, teaching, news reporting etc, it doesn't allow you to steal someone's assets and put together a game of your own out of those stolen assets and redistribute those stolen assets along with the game, regardless if you make money off of it or not, it is illegal. The only time I agree with you is with nintendo's game letsplay footages on youtube getting taken down as THOSE CAN (not always) fall under fair use, tho they would likely fall flat in court in many cases as they're not very transformative and technically can be taken down legally, just many companies choose not to do it because it can be good pr. Educate yourself and stop saying that stealing and redistributing stuff that isn't yours is fair use.
@@Bond01_ wth are you talking about? He’s just saying that Nintendo should just let their fans make fan games. What’s so hard to understand here? This isn’t a talk about whether a fan game falls under fair use or if it’s legal or not to use assets from someone else game. Before you start rambling on about that kind of stuff, please read what the original commenter is talking about first. It isn’t that hard
At some point, the copyright offices REALLY need to be overhauled. Not only should copyright offices be actively seeking out and punishing companies that send false DMCAs, but fan projects need to be put under fair use, as, if you aren’t charging money for them, it is essentially the same thing as a kid making up stories with their toys. If it is a parody or analysis, then it shouldn’t matter if it’s making money (technically speaking, that part is already SUPPOSED to be the case), but if it doesn’t fall under one of those categories, as long as it isn’t making money, it shouldn’t be struck, and the government should be actively stopping companies from doing this instead of waiting for somebody both brave enough to face the company and rich enough to afford good lawyers to take them to court. Also, I’m not sure if this is already the case or not, but if it isn’t, then the copyright laws should apply to the country the person BEING SENT the cease-and-desist is from, NOT the country the company is from.
I completely agree, and I appreciate you speaking up about this @gechoman44iwantahippo -- companies that wield copyright law as a weapon to intimidate creators or stifle communities really should be taken to task by the media. It's frustrating! For me personally, I just hope that Nintendo can learn to reflect on these interactions they've had; there's so much genuine passion and creativity in these communities, and it's a shame that they often see them as a legal "enemy" as opposed to what they are: some of their most passion fans. I appreciate you checking out the video and for sharing your insights. You are appreciated!
@@gechoman44iwantahippo I'm fairly certain that you don't fully comprehend how international IP laws actually work. Neither do I so I'm not suited to talk as if I do, but enough to know that it seems to encourage aggressive action and is rather outdated. US laws and how they're set on precedence also some part in it. That's why some lawyers would argue that the law itself is the main problem in all this, but I'm no expert. Really, best to consult an actual professional on exactly how IP laws work, rather than simply trust in the layman's very basic understanding of it.
@@luxinfinite1394that and considering Nintendo works with the Japanese interpretation of the laws, going up against the Japanese justice system is pretty much a lost fight in advance. So in the end its nearly impossible to change the current status quo because those who could change it stand to gain from it
I think nintendo wants people to HAVE to buy a nintendo consle if you wanna play Mario. That's why they hate it when you pirate 30 year old games or play a fangame, it allows you to have a Mario experience without buying their console.
yeah this. theyre a good software company and a sub par hardware company. they had been at the forefront for hardware development for a long time.... but since the ambitious wii they seem to be less interested in innovating now
From a business perspective…I kinda get it? Nintendo works with low power consoles that get by on brand recognition. Being hyper protective of that brand is vitally important to them.
Which is funny considering you can't even BUY Super Mario Bros. 3 from them. You can only purchase a temporary subscription to access the game from a server, and as soon as they drop NSO support for the switch, guess what happens, you lose access to that game, and by extension, your save data.
Personally, my theory on emulation, fan games, and now games being not even owned by people or having to be activated is simple! If you play an old game, or a free game, you are not giving them money or playing their newest product. How would you dare not to give them your money.
I have sometimes wondered why more projects don't do exactly this, thank you for the comment @anonanon1604! Likewise, thank you for checking out the video-have an awesome weekend ahead! 👋
Absolutely @mlgguythemlgest. Nintendo is just hurting themselves and their reputation with the community with these actions. Thanks for the comment and for checking out the video!
Apparently, SEGA treated Christian Whitehead and the other devs of Sonic Mania like shit (in payroll). They only got paid from game sales when they hit arbitrary numbers. They didn’t get any money from game sales themselves.
Nice to finally know the reason why Christian and his team had such a bad fallout with SEGA. I knew they had a fallout but not why, only that SEGA was being… well, SEGA. So, while I appreciate SEGA's generous attitude towards fans and their content creation… SEGA isn't really better than Nintendo, they're just bad in different areas. SEGA treats their employees like any standard American corporation - which doesn't excuse anything but makes it easier to swallow when you inevitably get burnt due to how normal/common it is - whereas Nintendo is straight-up draconian control freaks towards their CONSUMERS, which leaves a very sour impression when you try to interact and work with them as a content creator… which is by far and large a much more unique experience that tends to single Nintendo out. Xbox is very protective of its IPs as well and will SOMETIMES send out cease and desist orders to fan game creators for CERTAIN IPs but is by no means as unreasonable with their consumers as Nintendo is. You don't see Xbox or Sony go after modders or people making emulators of their old hardware - like the Xenia and RPCS3 emulators - whereas Nintendo does (they've been in conflict with the Dolphin emulator for years trying to shut it down as an example), and Nintendo will peck at EVERY fan for ANY of their IPs. People dislike Sony and Xbox for their business practices and treatment of their employees but again, it's easier to swallow because they're not unique in this. Nintendo is very unique in how they strike down on content creators, whether its mods, fan games or emulators. Hence, SEGA gets more slack despite its horrid business practices because it's not unique on that front. It is, however, very unique in how VERY GENEROUS they are towards their consumers and fans. So long as you don't profit from their IP, you can go nuts with your content creation. (Not even Xbox is that generous; they'll still send a warning to fans if certain extreme things like creepy pasta get widespread.) SEGA doesn't even mind if content creators ask for donations to help them better sustain themselves and focus more on the fan creations they're making. Because it's not considered profit so much as charity to help out a project both the creator and fans alike are passionate about. The fan game itself won't be charged for, so it's not profit. Very generous indeed. Small things like that are the reasons why a franchise like Sonic is still going strong and still considered a cash cow to SEGA despite its wild inconsistency in quality. If SEGA started striking down fans like Nintendo does, they'd lose a lot of profit and loyalty from fans overnight, and basically kill their IPs.
I've been sick of the "SEGA, HIRE THIS MAN!!!" drivel that's been going on for years. SEGA doesn't hire any random modder in their parent's basement to work for them, it takes proper education and experience with game development like any other studio. And if you are actually this man which SEGA hires, don't expect good working conditions, handsome pay, or to be secured for future projects.
If people are playing fan games and not buying official ones, the fan games haven't done any damage. Either the player has no money and to play the official games would constitute piracy - OR the official games are so bad that they aren't worth buying, in which case the company has damaged their own reputation.
That's a good point @ErdrickHero, I also believe that fan games and Nintendo's official ones could possibly coexist without damaging one-another. More than anything else, it'd be nice to see Nintendo embrace those communities (and their creations), but it's probably going to take a long time. We can hope! Thank you for checking out the video and for sharing your insights, I really appreciate you! 👋
Hiya, ex Project M dev here, thanks for the coverage. It's been a pretty dark day for our community when we got shut down, and I'm proud to say that unlike Nintendo, I love our players dearly. I remember doing the interviews for the mod, and we actually did our best to stay in their good graces. We promoted a hackless method to access our mod, spoke positively about Nintendo publicly, and even stated that Nintendo had our blessing to use any content we come up with. We basically did everything right. And this wasn't even enough. I actually maintain a blogpost about a lot of Nintendo's... less consumer friendly moments, so if you'd like a link to help you out with content. Let me know.
Howdy @Vigilanteblade -- I just want to say *thank you* for sharing your passion with so many people; you and the rest of the PM team (and now the P+ team) have poured so much heart into that game, and I'm beyond grateful to have it out in the world for people to experience. I genuinely hope that Nintendo someday reflects on how they've treated these communities; to say that they've burned bridges is an understatement. Thank you for checking out the video VB! You are appreciated! ❤️
Damn, you guys were really fighting an uphill battle. The games industry as a whole (but especially the big players) collectively despises emulation and modding, and Smash Bros being a collaborative effort means the whole industry (even those uninvolved in Smash) would've been breathing down Nintendo's neck to end you. And best of all for these guys, Nintendo would absorb the entirety of the bad press around it likely due to their third party agreements. The industry, and Smash, being what it is meant that you were always going to burn under their ire. I'd just ask to try to see it from Nintendo's side who needs to maintain third party trust in them despite allowing Project M to last so long. And yes, they could've ended Project M way sooner. And again, these third parties that Nintendo courts for Smash Bros, they all hate emulation and modding and it REALLY doesn't look good for Nintendo to do nothing about it, and so for Smash to continue as it is, to maintain third party trust in them, means they'd have to put an end to Project M eventually. In short, Nintendo HAS to be extra, extra skittish about Smash Bros as it is always more than just Nintendo that Smash Bros represents, it often represents gaming in its entirety.
@luxinfinite1394 Sega in fact gave us their blessing to use Sonic and Knuckles. They have even commented on how much they loved our Jet Set Radio costume for Sonic, and expressed sadness at Project M's closure. Konami has not spoken on the matter, and my sources at NOA have confirmed that this was Nintendo, and Nintendo only. I do not wish to see Nintendo's side, as they are clearly in the wrong and they do not have a legitimate case. Mods have been allowed by companies like Valve and Sega without any issues prior. Nintendo acted in bad faith, tried to control us, and the pressure argument falls apart when it was proven that they were subtly trying to get TOs to cast us aside and do their dirty work for them before they started going nuclear. They spent years making false promised and lying to the smash community that if they forsakened our game, they would be getting official support, which never even happened. They tried to get away with it scott free. Mods can easily exist. We call this an open license agreement.
You know what the funny part about terraria is? Today it outselled the original super mario bros and re-logic did a blog about the achievement Like They didn't talk about the 50 million, they talked about the 58 million (super mario sold 57,6 million) like i didnt know they are developer's of super mario bros x and now makes sense why they did it this Really fucking funny
That's incredible @maxuwl - I didn't know that! 🤯 What an incredible achievement! It's a shame that Nintendo reacted the way they did to his work; they could've brought him on board and made amazing games, but instead they decided to reject him and the project. What a joke. I'm glad that he's found such huge success! Thank you for sharing those insights, and I really appreciate you checking the video out! 👋
@@borklazer587yeah of course they aren’t obligated that’s how it works. But it’d be a pretty smart move to hire people you can pay low amounts for still good quality
Wait… so the creators of the amazing Terraria. The game that has been around for like a decade now. Was made by the same people who made mario x? Hang on sec…lets see here ahhh Aha! “YOU KILLED ME ONCE! BUT I AM MORE POWERFUL THAN YOU CAN EVER IMAGINE!” Yeah i think this quote will do
Trying to go to war with r34 artists is a fight that is literally IMPOSSIBLE it is literally not only a literal rule of the internet but a thing that will ALWAYS exist in human thought and the wills of people who will just keep making more and more stuff with no end in sight
Yuuuup, I'm on the same page @nicholasaugello2534 - it's a tale as old as time with the internet ... 😂 Thank you for checking out the video and for sharing your insights. Really appreciate you! 👋
The topic of DMCA bots is something I wish I'd researched / gone into more in this episode. I'll work it into a future episode--thank you for pointing it out, Julianno! 👋
No company will do that because it doesn't affect them. They only stand to benefit from the false hits as it gets them a little more and they can just say 'well, it was a mistake on the bot's part' if worst comes to worse. Their hand has to be forced. Hard. Do it to one company, the rest will be forced to follow suit to avoid going down with them.
@@juliannocartagena2007 except they are not doing anything wrong, you guys are just hellbent on being allowed whatever you want to do with someone else's COPY-RIGHTED material WITHOUT PERMISSION. That's literally illegal as it infringes on nintendo's EXCLUSIVE COPY-RIGHT, you should educate yourselves on why, otherwise you'll continue saying these absurd things as if you were in the right. Most of those fangames are put together out of ripped original nintendo's content, I wonder how you would feel if someone distributed your stuff without your permission.
Sonic Mania was made by people who started by making ROM hacks and music remixes of Sonic games. SEGA won't officially acknowledge fan games, but as long as nobody tries to sell them, they leave fan projects alone. Nintendo absolutely does not need to behave this way.
I completely agree @TheZeroNeonix - it's so cool that Sonic Mania was largely made by fans, it's such an incredible game and I'm glad Sega trusted them with it. I hope Nintendo can learn to embrace those communities someday! Likewise, thank you for checking out the video and sharing your insights! 👋
This is why DMCA'd games need to just leak. Never understood why fan projects just buckle. These corporations can't do anything about it once it's loose.
That's an insane take, if the games see any distribution then the corporation that DMCA'd them can interpret that as disobeying the DMCA notice and file a lawsuit. Games can't "just leak" as any form of leaking is an intentional action, which gives grounds for it to be taken to court.
@@kieranboulton3953 Things get leaked all the time, stolen. They might have shared the game multiple times during production for testing. Its not like fan games aren't often open source projects produced by many people. No one person can be condemned for a build floating about. If long before the dmca was issued a person had the game sitting on a drive and it got lost on the bus, and that game appears online how is it the makers fault? I've never seen this issue get pushed in court. There is no precedent for someone being hung up like this for something that is out of their hands. Once Software is online it can't be expected to be contained. This is why these projects should be public in the first place.
@@kieranboulton3953 You can cease and desist a creator all you want and they will have to stop producing and hosting the game but they can't be held liable for every build that's being hosted on the internet.
@@Vespyr_ That's an entirely different situation, you said that you didn't understand why they just buckle when they are DMCA'd, my answer explained why. Of course, any subsequent release from outside of the team would not result in the team facing consequences. Instead whoever was responsible for distributing them would face their own DMCA notice. This is exactly what happened with Yuzu after it was shut down, when a load of reuploads started popping up straight away they were swiftly met with DMCA notices, but the Yuzu team faced no further action.
@@kieranboulton3953So what, if a fangame is popular enough, it can just spite Nintendo by continuously changing hands, being released, getting their own DMCA, then passing hands to another different person or group who will share it again?
SEGA, VALVe has issued DMCAs in the past but it's super few of them, really specific, hell Portal 64 was not taken down by VALVe technically, they asked the dev to not use Nintendos N64 code, he ended up declining, and took it down himself. TF2 Source 2 was already dead in the water due to S&Box not being a stable engine (garry keeps changing the entire thing).
Your comment gave me a HUGE laugh, @stephenodell812! Thank you for sharing it! 😂 I really appreciate you checking out the video, thank you for being a friend!
@@NotYourFriend-YT Ayep, yer editing style and humor also got me rolling a couple of times so we're even 2 for 2 pfft. Anyways I'll be binge watching yer vids from now on since it's right up my alley, great work on this one.
Either hide, or sublet your code to so many people that any form of DMCA does NOTHING to stop your project from vanishing. This is what we did with Mario Royale, so many independently developed branches at this point, that we'll never lose the game, hell, I made sure to back up a copy of the game!
nintendo has every right to object to you literally distributing any sort of copyrighted assets of theirs for free, it is illegal and is considered a copyright infringement as you are copying-and-redistributing THEIR content without the COPYRIGHT-HOLDER's permission, it is ILLEGAL to do so. Please do your research on what "copyright infringement" is, what rights does the end consumer have and what terms and conditions apply to the end consumer who is using the product. You are bound by those legal terms and conditions and yet NOBODY READS THEM AND YET PEOPLE CLICK "ACCEPT" WITHOUT QUESTION, I RECOMMEND YOU DO.
@@Bond01_ dude, I don't give a single shit about the law. The law is not a moral system that I believe matters because I don't care what they want us to do. We can do what we want.
@@BiTreeFrog except the law is designed to make you care via punishments for breaking it, and I believe the punishments are there for exactly such attitudes. The copyright law isn't there to piss people off, it's there to protect intellectual proprty from theft and unauthorized use and redistribution, it literally applies to anyone whoever made anything original.
The official answer why nintendo hates fangames that I heard a few years back was that there were people who couldn't tell the difference between the fangames and offical releases and would supposedly contact Nintendo's official helplines when their game busted and nintendo A)didn't have a soultion having never created the game in first place, and B)couldn't handle their helplines being flooded with so many new people. This is why so many fangames have "not an offical product: and should not be treated or sold as such" at the beginning of their game, to try to prevent this problem from allegedly occurring.
This is only happening so far in the West. Idk why this reason was so hated that doing fan games would be a good thing. Plus, Nintendo mostly makes good games lately than any other game company in Japan.
Oh that's interesting @Harper_Onions, thank you for sharing that - I wasn't aware that fans were getting confused! I can see how that'd be frustrating both for the company as well as the gamers. 😅 Thank you for checking out the episode and for sharing your insights. I appreciate you doing so, Harper!
Nintendo tends to consider PR when picking fan-projects to take down. A part of me suspects this is why they have not done anything to the Satellaview fan scene (Notable for BS Zelda projects and translations of recent Satellaview ROM dumps); namely, any attempt to take that scene down via legal action will lead to increased awareness and demand for a legacy platform they haven't touched in over 20 years, that they very likely are not willing to placate. I kinda hinged my TH-cam Channel on that bet, and, somehow, in spite of me sometimes doing high-risk things, I never got any legal threats from Nintendo.
Howdy @kabbusses - thank you for sharing your insights! ❤️ I've played BS Zelda, but that's the only Satellaview game that's reached me, it's definitely an area of the SNES library that I've missed out on! Likewise, I'm seeing *so much* gaming history on your channel-you've earned an instant sub from me! Thank you so much for sharing your passion on TH-cam!
@@NotYourFriend-YT "Cyber Citizen Shockman Zero" is available in English now! You may enjoy that one if you want to play a beat-em-up with some Mega Man-esque platforming and visual aesthetic. A while back, Square's infamous "Radical Dreamers", the predecessor to Chrono Cross, was included in Cross's HD Remaster "Chrono Cross: The Radical Dreamers Edition". I think it'd be a good idea to support these releases to show further interest! "Cooly Skunk", the early version of "Punky Skunk" that broadcast as a Satellaview demo only to never see a proper Super Famicom cart release, may well be next in line if the fundraising does well. As for what's been recovered recently by ROM dumpers, the Satellaview version of Super Bombliss is probably the biggest bombshell in regards to amount of ROM content. There were also releases for BS Fuurai no Shiren and Takara-hai Osumo Eisei Bashou, as well as several demos, including one for SFC Madou Monogatari with a few prerelease graphics and a version of Panic Bomber W that doesn't use the SA-1 expansion chip. Hopefully some of that may interest you! There's still more coming, too!
@cabbusses - will definitely check it out! I'm a HUGE fan of retro mega-man, so this'll be one for me to keep my eyes peeled for. Thank you for sharing it, Cabbusses! ❤️
@@LordTyph Wow, Teleeli's Ancient Stone Tablets fan translation videos go way back by now. Do they even predate the MSU1 dub? Can't recall... It's unfortunate that the fandub voice acting in that seems to have generally not been accepted. Either way, quite a bit has happened.There's be attempts and strives in making the games more closely resemble how they broadcast.
Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes (Made by Kajar Laboratories as a sequel to Chrono Trigger.) Chrono Trigger: Prophet's Guile (Also made by Kajar Laboratories, has you play as Magus and tells his story preceding and leading up to the events of Chrono Trigger.) Zelda 2: Adventure of Link (Remaster by HoverBat for PC. Now *the* definitive way to play Zelda 2! Numerous fixes and quality of life improvements, and support for HD aspect ratios.) Kaizo Mario (Difficult SMW hack. The entire "Kaizo" genre of hacks is named after it. I believe there are 2 sequels made by the same person.) Pokemon Uranium (Fangame designed from the ground up for PC rather than being a mod. Features a story with more mature themes, has original Pokemon and even a new type.) Ship of Harkinian (A PC port of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time with numerous quality of life improvements available as optional settings. Has support for the randomizer too.) While we're on the subject, fans of Nintendo 64 games should be aware that *every N64 game can be decompiled, and the tools to do so are free and open source.* Anyone who's willing to learn can port any N64 game to PC and play with upscaled graphics, decompressed music, maybe create some bug fixes or make mods. Skies the limit. The code is your oyster. Other N64 titles currently being worked on include Mario Kart 64, Super Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie, Goldeneye 007, Perfect Dark, and Majora's Mask. Enjoy~
Oh dang, thank you for sharing @trajectoryunown! I'm a massive fan of Chrono Trigger fan (Frog and Robo are such cool characters...) so I'll definitely be checking those out! 🔥 Can I ask: who was your favorite character from Chrono Trigger? Please tell me you're team Frog! 🐸
@@NotYourFriend-YT Been a while since I played, but I recall not being such a big fan of Frog. (I thought he was annoying, but his theme slapped and he did have some awesome combos with Chrono.) As I recall, my personal tier list when I played was, in order: - Magus (I was an edgy teen.) - Lucca (best girl) - Robo (best girl's robo bro) - Ayla & Chrono (Liked 'em, but not much) - Marle & Frog (actually disliked them) Chrono Trigger was one of the few games that I regularly switched up my team. I actually made use of everyone. Magus, Ayla, Robo - *Elite* demolition squad. Magus, Chrono, Ayla - Balanced team. Chrono, Lucca, Marle - Classic dream team. Magus, Chrono, Frog - Legendary misfits. Magus, Lucca, Robo - The introverts. Magus, Lucca, Marle - Dream team variant. Looking back as an adult I feel differently about some things I didn't respect and think I've got less bias. So the revised list would probably be: - Frog & Magus (Actual legends) - Lucca & Chrono (Ride or die besties) - Ayla & Robo (Happenstance family) - Marle (I can't recall why I dislike her, but her giggling sprite still evokes fury within me.)
@@trajectoryunown Totally agree--Magus is such a great character, and I *love* that the game gives you the choice as to how to resolve the Frog / Magus conflict. Likewise, the Chrono / Magus / Frog line-up is BEASTLY! I love it so much. Darn it ... you've got me wanting to re-play Chrono Trigger now. (I'm in the middle of an FFIX replay, so it'll have to be after that ..)
And you know who caused all the stock market crashes on Monday? It was Japan. What happens is that Japan has the cheapest loans in the world and many people found out that they charged very little interest on loans, and people used it to buy or invest in the stock market, and Japan saw that they were giving money instead of the loan being returned with interest, they increased the interest and made no changes and that is why the stock market fell.
The real irony is how Nintendo's aggressive attitude towards fan games hurts their own reputation, sales, and fanbase. They are actively declaring they do not want to have fans. It also leads people to question the quality of their modern games when, without all the DMCA, they might have been happy to overlook the lapse in quality.
I agree @rainbowdash8003, and thank you for sharing your insights. I hope that Nintendo is able to reflect on how they've treated these communities (and learn from their creativity). 🙏 Thank you for checking out the video, I appreciate you!
first time viewer and felt the need to say great work on this video and will be checking out the rest of your channel! I do agree with a previous comment that the number of "meme clips" can be heavily parsed down. they usually just repeat the same thing you said a few seconds ago without providing any new insight, context, or entertainment. that being said, i'm glad the algorithm sent me your way and look forward to seeing what you have in store!
Thank you Brian for checking out the video and for sharing that feedback! I really appreciate you! I'll work on striking that balance better for future videos. Sometimes my love of memes / silly editing gets the better of me ... Likewise, let me know if there's any future topics you'd like to see talked about!
Nintendo logic (probably) If fans are playing fan games they aren't playing our newest game If fans put out fan games for free people aren't buying our new game If fan games get more popular then our original game it makes us look bad and they worry people will whine why wasn't this in the original game Fan games that upgrade the original might set a new standard for the next game we put out or be unfairly compared to it Fanames/mods that are higher rated them the original game make us look bad and ruin the rating that game has and are not to be encouraged WHAT if my chronically online child found it! Etc Every story has at least 2 sides
That's a great point @vaelegoro7782 Yah, I completely agree--fan games run the gamut of great to really bad, but it's awesome to see such cool innovation in those titles. I hope Nintendo can learn to embrace it one day!! Thank you for the kind words, I really appreciate you.
Funnily enough I have seen a video exactly about that It was basically Mario wonder vs Mario world ROM hacks Do I agree with the guy?no, alot of points was just, ROM hack y, did this better, and ROM hack x, did this better, and físics on wonder are not Mario world enough (even tho he mostly plays Mario world so of course the other 2D is not gonna feel like world) Is not creative enough, wonders seeds are respective (yes but no, you play the stage twice sometimes just to see what doesn't change and be new level even it is just a bigger enemy) and a lot of bosses are respective (even tho a lot of ROM hacks of Mario world are still use vanilla bosses in a different situation only) But the fact that a guy did this video, to dunk on wonder, praise ROM hacks that are nowhere near eachother aside from using Mario world says alot
No wonder is not perfect HOW WE STILL HAVE NO COOL BOSSES LIKE THE FIRST NEW MARIO BROS FROM NINTENDO DS? And some of the stuff of Mario wonder seems...sus to say the least (looking at you bubble flower) But try compare a one game vs probably 2 decades of improvements of ROM hacking feels unfair even if it is 2D Mario By all means continue to do ROM hacks or play wonder or maker But I feel is pretty clear there shouldn't be a discussion about comparing the 2
@@NotYourFriend-YT It's going to be a while because there's a cultural difference in play. Honestly, I think that, despite some of their scummy moves, they're probably the lesser of the evils currently in play. At the very least, they're not as interested in moralizing, demonizing their customers, forcing political stuff into their games, ect. I'd suffer with it so long as that remained the minimum, though I'd obviously hope for a change for hte better.
I know how you feel @magmamaster1801; I grew up really enjoying Nintendo games myself, and have *amazing* memories of playing them with my friends and family. I hope they can reflect as a company and learn how to embrace a lot of these communities. There's a lot of passion and creativity there! Thank you for checking out the video and for sharing your experience; I really appreciate you! 👋
As a child in Eastern Europe I didn't have access to Nintendo games and I was the only kid who even knew what it was, spent my time playing fangames as we didn't have access to Nintendo consoles.
Nintendo as a company sucks. The only people worth a damn at Nintendo are the actual development teams, everyone else there are some of the worst businessmen and women to ever exist.
The industry as a whole sucks, Nintendo is just another standard. Valve, Sega, Konami, Capcom, Microsoft and EA, the big players all follows the same guidelines basically. And no, Valve and Sega are no different, actually dive into the messy logistics and it's easy to see how it's all cold, calculated business. You can find plenty of deeper diving videos here on TH-cam. It's easy to see it as "only Nintendo sucks" when the video only talks about Nintendo. Branch out and you'll see the same crap everywhere.
TH-cam has really kicked it into high gear with recommending small creators. Like half the videos I see I look at the sub count and it’s in the hundreds
Now *this* is an incredible idea, @tylerwebb2495 - we can only imagine how many cool fan projects that would happen if Nintendo chilled out a little bit. Thank you for checking the video out, I really appreciate you! 👋
Except most of the fans just wanna ride that train of success nintendo has by stealing their assets and designs and slapping their name onto it. I think anyone who is a creator (I can tell most of you never created something of your own given how you can't imagine yourself in nintendo's situation) -I think anyone would be pissed if they saw someone else using their work without permission and slapping their own name onto it and saying "this is my fangame" while it's put together of ripped original assets and designs that aren't theirs. It's downright unfair, go make your own platformer and don't give him blue and red overalls while naming him mario and giving him the exact same look as the original mario design, see how successful you can get when you have to make the works yourself instead of stealing nintendo's content.
@@Bond01_ that’s dramatically oversimplifying the situation. I’m an artist, it’s literally my job to create things. It’s completely acceptable to make art of a character you don’t have the rights to, it’s protected under fair use laws. While a lot of fan game creators and modders don’t use their own assets, which is not protected under fair use, a game is more than just graphical assets. When Sega saw the work of dedicated fans, instead of trying to destroy their careers, they hired them. That’s how we got Sonic Mania, one of the most beloved modern Sonic games. Sega has learned that fans carry the heart of their franchise, so they hired fans to help create Sonic Frontiers. If Nintendo took a leaf from their book and chose to hire these talented creators, even in a single small project, to work under their roof then we could have some incredible games. Pokemon tries to snuff out their fans as much as they can, imagine if they hired them to create their side projects instead of ILCA, who make the worst version of Diamond and Pearl. If Nintendo hired fans then they’d have their ears directly at the source of the people who purchase their games. But no, Nintendo only sees fans as obstacles to their money, much like you apparently.
@@tylerwebb2495 Except those fans don't have much to offer to nintendo, that is exactly why they compensate for their own shortcomings by using nintendo's concepts, designs and downright assets because they contribute very little by themselves most of the time and trust me -nintendo doesn't need an average-to-mediocre level of quality worker, especially if he hasn't gone out of his way to try to apply for the job directly instead of infringing on copyright by distributing stuff that isn't fully his. You are right that it is acceptable to make art of a character you don't have rights to but that is exactly a case of fair use, the fangames we are talking about do not fall into the same category as they are not merely using a portion of the work in a transformative way but downright copying the entire game in many cases or producing an end product that is absolutely drowned in copyright-infringement and is then distributed as a game. Don't you see a problem with that? Hell, even if it was lets say -only music, wouldn't that be incredibly unfair for someone to be allowed to just yoink some music and use it in some work that isn't even fully theirs infringing on more and more copyrights, its a total disrespect to the law of "if you don't have permission then DON'T DO IT, ASK FIRST", nobody is stopping people from asking nintendo if they can use their stuff, except they probably know nintendo would just say "no" but anyway. Nintendo has every right to do with their IPs and their EXCLUSIVE COPY-RIGHTs as they please, if they don't want to give you permission to do what is ILLEGAL WITHOUT A PERMISSION then you are simply not allowed to, end of story.
@@Bond01_ we’re not talking about every average creator to be worked with, that was never the case. Not every kid who makes stuff on Mario maker has a lot to provide. But I’ve played countless fan games across multiple franchises that have just as much original content, including assets, as the games they’re modding. When a fan chooses to use assets from say Mario or Pokemon, they do it because they love that franchise, not because they want to rip off something that isn’t there’s for some sick pleasure. It’s not out of laziness, it’s out of passion. Instead of harnessing their creative power they’d rather end it. In the end it’s closed minded and destructive. If every tech company just wanted to jail hackers they’d have very vulnerable systems. Instead they hire hackers to test their systems, using their talents for their benefit instead of attacking them. Some will be destructive no matter what, sure, but that’s just life. Nintendo doesn’t make allies for themselves, they only make enemies. You have every right to kill creativity because it hurts your feelings, power to you. So does Nintendo. But there are better options that Nintendo and you refuse to see
It also reminds me of when persona 5 was released and even the gameplay being uploaded caused DMCA takedowns. Honestly, DMCA is just the catch all of “trademark” whilst ignoring “transformative work”.
I hadn't heard that @TheSidwysDrftr, thank you for sharing that info! I'm a big fan of Persona 5, but it's a bummer that channels / videos were targeted on TH-cam. I appreciate you sharing that info, and for checking out the video! 👋
Speaking of Sega, they did DMCA the fans that were working to translate Fate/CCC to english, people though that sega would actually bring the game to EU and US, but they never did, so we never got the translated version.
Thank you for sharing that info @RedHoodRubyRose, I wasn't aware that Sega had done that. It's a good reminder that companies can do both good and bad ... I hope that for Fate fans, they're able to bring the game to the west. I appreciate you sharing your insights, and thank you for checking out the video!
Project M was especially quirky in the fact that if you wanted to play it You'd have to buy the smash bros game. Meaning if you wanted to play the fan project. You'd have to send Nintendo your money first.
I said this to a friend... As good as Nintendo is at making high quality fun games, SEGA is at dealing with their fans. The reverse is also true. As bad as SEGA is at creating good high quality games, Nintendo is at dealing with their fans.
Thank you. Finally someone is saying that needs to be addressed. That is a true fact. People that played Nintendo games needs to get over this because compared to Sega, Capcom, and other game companies in Japan, they’re literally the biggest game company so far and they’re strict with their characters which they don’t want to be used publicly. Even the player base in Japan will not like it either.
"If something is put on the internet, it will never go away" Is a moto that companies need to understand and accept. Along with that, imagine if Nintendo allowed fan projects, and did the OG Valve approach of "Hey, this is pretty good, how about some funding to make it better or for you to make it officially?"
10:42 to be fair that feels like an exception that Sega would make if it was literally any other company or even creator that would’ve been an automatic strike, regardless of any warning whatsoever I feel like that’s was a very special case scenario
They’ve erased a fan game on Roblox that I play called pwip, you could play as pikmin and creatures, pwip was taken down multiple times but always put back up until eventually it was taken down for good
I hadn't heard of that one, thank you for sharing pwip Alex!! I'll try to look for gameplay online and see what it looked like. Fans come up with the coolest projects and ideas! Likeiwse, thank you for checking out the video!! You're the best, Alex!! 👏
Thank you for the kind words @err0rc0degames -- I love your profile icon, is that from a video game? Likewise, thank you for checking out the video! Let me know if there's any topics you'd like to see explored in future episodes. You're the best! 👋
Thank you for the kind words @radwulfclan2841, I can't tell you just how much messages like this mean to me. ❤️ If you ever have any topics you'd like to see talked about in future episodes, let me know!! Thank you for being a friend!
I hope you were able to experience it @lucasLSD! So much fan creativity and passion went into making it, and I hope that Nintendo can ease up the reigns on their takedowns someday. Thank you for checking out the video--I really appreciate you!
For some reason @FFantaSteve I read your comment as a wrestler move ... "oh my gosh, he's doing the Nintendo Takedown!!" (crowd cheers) 😂 Thank you for checking out the video, I appreciate you!
Thank you so much for the kind words @SunBurntTails - can I also say, your profile icon is *SO* adorable! I love the little crown! 😂 I really appreciate you tuning in-let me know if you have any topics you'd like to see explored in future episodes. You're the best! ❤️
I found out something weird about Japanese copyright law... there is ZERO allowance for fair use in Japanese copyright law. So as far as they're concerned, nothing is fair use.
That's interesting; thank you for sharing those insights @Disthron! I'll do some more research and share anything I find in future episodes. I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge! 👋
Videos like this only prove why Nintendo needs new and perhaps better leadership. The kind that don't treat consumers and fans as just numbers and recognise the passion that some of them have for these franchises they've loved for so many years.
Thank you for the kind words @joshwinnnnnn! I *completely* agree with you; it's a shame that Nintendo has been so reluctant to reflect on their treatment of fans, even all these years later. 😭
I think the reason companies take down fan games so often is because this fan made content is almost always better than what is officially offered by such companies, and could just prevent users to spend money on their products for the fact that they could get a better one for free, thus making these companies lose tons of potential money gains.
Man, I clicked on your channel expecting like 200 videos with this just being one small series in all your other stuff, but you've practically just started out! great work, dude, can't wait to see you continue to improve as time goes on.
Thank you so much for the kind words @8bitbunnie936, I really appreciate you ❤️ One area I'm trying to work on is the balance of commentary and comedy .. quite a few folks told me I put WAY too many memes in this one, so I'm going to work on toning it down a little, haha. 😂
If I had my way shantee and Rayman would be in smash. They are what everyone want in smash. Also godzilla monster of monsters would be on the switch nes emulator(a bug fixed version)
Yuuup, I feel your comment to my core, Zeru. I *love* so many of Nintendo's games, but it's really difficult to watch how they've treated so many of these communities.
Thank you for the kind words Panda Kid! I really appreciate you tuning in. If you have any ideas or topics you'd like to see in future episodes, let me know!! You are the best!! Have an awesome rest of your week! 🥰
My all-time favorite game is actually a fangame: Sonic Robo Blast 2. Sega has been so incredible to their fans over the years because they KNOW that the thousands of fangames, romhacks, mods, animations, music remixes, etc do nothing but HELP the franchise succeed. Whenever the official sonic games lacked in quality, the fans would step up and make things that they wanted to see. Sega saw that and didn't JUST actively choose to let all of it continue, they also HIRED some of the most prevalent creators in the community to work on the series officially. Tyson Hesse, Tee Lopes, Christian Whitehead, Simon Thomley, Ian Flynn, all of these people were major figures in the sonic community. ALL of them have worked on the official games in one way or another. (hell, Sonic Mania, Sonic 1 HD, CD HD 2 HD, 3 HD and Superstars literally would not exist without them.) No company is your friend, but some are better than others, and Sega is among the best in terms of how they treat their community. It breaks my heart to see the passion and love people have for nintendo's franchises and the hard work they put in just be completely disregarded by the company.
This is in no way me trying to defend Nintendo, it's just something that might offer a... explanation to their behavior. I have a feeling this originates out of paranoia of losing control. Because that almost happened to them with Sony, when they were originally working on the Playstation together. I recommend watching the video "Nintendo was right to backstab Sony over the PlayStation". Again, not a defence. Just a possible explanation as to why they're so overly hostile.
Thank you for the insights @krumz90, I'll check it out!! I put my hands up when it comes to a lot of the legal jargon, but I'm really glad there are other channels out there that cover it more closely / with more expertise. Likewise, thank you for sharing your knowledge and for the recommendation. You're the best, Krumz! 👋
Hilariously whenever Nintendo strikes down something that fan game still remains on the internet forever, btw I've sent you something on your community post as well Keep in mind, I still despise their DMCA legal team and weird business decisions, but the problem is when you blame the company as a whole, You're dragging in its developers and employees considering the fact they have nothing to do with the DMCA decisions. Another thing is some of those developers/ voice actors do go to Comic-Con conventions and see fans as well.
Howdy @M64bros - thank you for checking the video out, and for sharing your feedback! That's a great call out regarding the company-I should definitely do a better job of making it clear that I'm not throwing shade at their developers, composers, etc. Will be more mindful in the future on this one; thank you kindly for letting me know!
PM was a banned term in the sm4sh miiverse channel, just a blanket ban. many kids found out that you could not talk about post meridiem time on miiverse the hard way
I didn't know that, that's wild to hear @Cmanorange - thank you for sharing! The next episode (on Sunday) actually features the Miiverse. I'll include a mention of that in the description / pinned comment. Thank you for sharing your knowledge! 👋
100% agree @rabbitblitzsgames6865 -- it has been a pillar of the fan games community for such a long time; I hope that other libraries will rise to takes its place. Thank you for checking out the video, I really appreciate you! 👋
I completely agree @davidolukotun2870 - these fan games are *celebrating* those brands and characters, and it's a shame that Nintendo doesn't see it that way. Thank you so much for checking the video out. I really appreciate you! ❤️
@@NotYourFriend-YT That’s the thing, you see. Nintendo is just too out of touch in this day and age. It is high time that they put their stringency aside and view those games for themselves for they truly are. Art and darn good masterpieces at that as well! If I was the current CEO of Nintendo, I order my men to find the person who made that fan game, bring him/her here and tell them that I want them to turn that fan project into a game, and that I will heavily promote it. Thus not only strengthening the brand, but also the company closer to its fan base. And occasionally, we might the same thing SEGA had done with Sonic Mania, albeit with better pay and resources to make the best game that project can be! What do you think of this idea, eh? Is it not great!?
Because their entire identity requires complete control over their IP in turn making it impossible for people to say "We can fix it." or "It could be better." They have even targeted children with MTX heavy games yet are family friendly? Nintendo's true identity would cause a massive fallout especially if fans could do better with ease and consistently. For example, think of what would happen to a more spiteful Sega if fans do almost everything better for free. It would be the death of Sega, or in Nintendo's case likely their own death if not massive loss.
I ain't a developer, but from what I can see these fan developed games aren't a great resume builder. Sega Sammy likes to cheap out wherever they can, whereas Nintendo I'm guessing simply hires experienced professionals or outsources to experienced studios. Also, sending job offers to fan developers is likely frowned upon by the gaming industry as a whole, especially with its universal disdain towards pirating software and hacking. Plus the main teams working on the main Nintendo games tend to all be located in Japan. In the same building, speaking the same language.
Seriously, Nintendo games have been getting stale, giving the fans the reins gives 2 things: 1. Easy ideas for future Nintendo products 2. Games that can fill out content droughts
This reminds of a story from 2 years ago. SEGA issued a DMCA copyright to a Sonic game on Roblox. However, they did so because the creator of the game was a creep, and Roblox moderation didn't do anything about it. At most, he was banned for 3 days, but Roblox did nothing. So, seeing that a PeD0 was being tied to the Sonic name and Roblox's refusal to punish him for his deeds, SEGA stepped in and gave him a DMCA as a last resort of sorts to hopefully get him banned off Roblox. Tbh, a W move by SEGA.
Thank you for sharing that info @Neo_Turbo, I hadn't heard about that fan game. Good move on Sega's part to protect kids / the community! 👏 Likewise, thank you for checking out the video, you are appreciated! ❤️
I thought I was watching someone with like 100k subscribers. You’re so underrated, you deserve way more than 1.59k. Also, to think that one of my favorite games ever, Terraria, almost never happened is pretty crazy, to say the least. It’s a good thing that it ain’t our timeline!
Thank you so much for the kind words @blixten635real, I can't tell you how much it means to me as a new channel ❤️ And yeah, I'm grateful that we're in the timeline that has Terraria! Thank goodness, it's a special game and more people should play it!!
@@NotYourFriend-YT I wish the best for you and your channel ❤️ You’ve already managed to get 100k on this video, keep going with your, funny, entertaining and high-quality videos and you’ll reach 100k subscribers! I don’t know what else to say, you’re great!
24:55 From what I've heard TH-cam actually changed it so if you get a bunch of DMCA claims from one source it counts as one strike. Probably to tone down abuse of the system. It's still abject lip service of course but at least one claimant can not threaten your channel. (I mean they technically could and people abusing the system to harass people would use this method but I'm not going to mention how, don't want to give anyone ideas)
Nintendo hasn’t sent a DMCA for it yet, but look into Star Fox: Event Horizon. A single person has been working on it for ten years and it has multiple of the original voice actors in it.
Oh what! That sounds *incredible* @TheAmazingTachan -- thank you for sharing it, I'll check it out!! It's incredible how much passion and creativity fans bring to those creations. ❤️
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I’d love to hear from you: what’s YOUR favorite fan game or mod?
(I’ve got a special spot in my heart for the Thomas the Tank Engine Mod in Skyrim, but alas, it didn’t feel right for this particular episode...)
Likewise, if at any point you’d like to check out the mods discussed in this video, links are in our sources and attribution spreadsheet:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1onrL3SM7_CMly6fkcf-EK7c46zI3nz1oSQbZl6KXBO4/edit?gid=1623343450#gid=1623343450
Thank you so much for watching!
Try pokefarm Q. It works and may be a little microtransactiony but is fun.
All of 'em are a bunch of trash!
A couple of my favourites:
NewER Super Mario Bros Wii, a "total conversion" mod that imo is even BETTER than the base game it's designed on.
Also, while it isn't technically a "fan game" I love the "DX" patch for Super Mario Land 2 for the game boy, which basically turns the r*m into a Game Boy Color remake AND it adds Luigi as a playable character who has different physics than Mario!
Mario forever
@@ThEjOkErIsWiLd00 These are great, thank you for the recommendations! The DX patch looks INCREDIBLE - I love the colors!
Thank you for sharing!
nintendo even says that will take down R34 content of their franchise, but that's a war they cannot win.
If they think they stand a chance, then they clearly picked the blue angry mushroom for their power up.
@suroguner OMG GLABOR I LOVE SRB2 THE PAST I HOPE THEY UNBAN YOU ON THE FORUMS OF SRB2
When it comes to the worst, we are the best.
@@PixelHog916 internet users don't even give a shit if nintendo is unconfortable of having "inappropriate content" of their frachises and IPs because rule 34 says "If it exists there is p*rn of it"
They have tried with a certain Pokemon-focused site that i won't mention but ultimately, that same site still exist
Nintendo doesn't understand U.S. copyright law. They're just hoping no one else does and it'll never go to court.
Japan doesn't have Fair Use Laws. It's extremely easy for Japanese corporations to abuse that.
Even if fair use wins in court, fangames are still kind of guilty of _trademark_ infringement for using the name. -Bloodborne- Nightmare Kart, for instance.
Technically it’s a grey area since you’re directly ripping character designs in most of them
@@NemesisOgreKing fan games aren't considered parody and are not protected by fair use.
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it's not japan don't have fair use is they have an entirely different copyright system
it's both more leinient and strictier
Sega might be inconsistent with the quality of their games, but their attitude towards fan creativity commands more respect from me than Nintendo's had since the GameCube days
Yup, I'm right there with you Grid.
Hopefully ... one day ... Nintendo is able to learn how to treat their fans a little better on this front.
Thank you for checking the video out!
Well that phrase "Sega does what nintendon't" makes more sense now 🤣
@@driley1988
Sega is leinient only with Sonic other franchises they are just as bad as nintendo
Sega does what Ninten-Too 💀
@@redstone0234Don’t they hit DMCA strikes for personal fan game projects through that their ATLUS subsidiary? I remember hearing about that in some other video, which makes sense since it would save face for SEGA with their sonichu fanbase.
For a project to be oficial takes more than just drop it on the on internet, you can see it whit alex kid, streets of rage 4 where they aproached sega first, if you dont you get you game taken down, like streets of rage 2 remix.
Also mario strikers and samus returns are the result of western fans that pitched their ideas to nintendo first
Being a kid means loving Nintendo. Being an adult is discovering that love was misplaced.
I know the feeling; I hope they can reflect on how they've treated these communities and do better in the future! Thank you for checking out the video @Minronis, I really appreciate you! 👋
love the artists, not the shareholders
@@NotYourFriend-YT Same to you: keep up the good work!
being an adult is still loving the games and franchises of Nintendo but being a radical pirate hating the corporate legal side of Nintendo
@@majamystic256 i like some of their franchises but i refuse to buy them cuz they own shitty policy. I'm sure they are the kind that will erase and block your access to a single player game just because they can
Nintendo sometimes acts like if a car maker said: "No aftermarkets! No parts! No races! No selling modified versions! No hot-rodding! No performance mods!"
... which is why it's so _frustrating_ that companies like Tesla and Ferrari actually _do_ that.
Kinda reminds me of apple
@@IamCoalfoot it is their choice as a company to do with their business as they please within legal boundaries and it is your choice as a consumer to continue giving them more money. Nintendo is not doing anything wrong, what they are doing is not illegal, anyone has the right to protect their own IP and COPYRIGHT from being infringed.
They're taking down stuff that make no profit from their IPs how's that protecting their IP?
@Bond01_ Yes, they have copyrights and an obligation to defend them. But in truth? Copyright and Trademarks are just as much about Image control as they are about Exclusivity. And damaging your Image? When popularity is the only real thing you _have?_ When there are much better ways to do it but you can't be bothered? That damages more than just the company. That damages the Brand itself.
@@IamCoalfoot No one is obligated to do anything with copyright, or streamers playing games would've ended ages ago and even Nintendo let's them stream in peace nowadays.
Petrella v. Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Inc.
>It is hardly incumbent on copyright owners, however, to challenge each and every actionable infringement. And there is nothing untoward about waiting to see whether an infringer’s exploitation undercuts the value of the copyrighted work, has no effect on the original work, or even complements it. Fan sites prompted by a book or film, for example, may benefit the copyright owner. See Wu, Tolerated Use, 31 Colum. J. L. & Arts 617, 619-620 (2008).
I always love reminding people that Pokémon Uranium is still receiving events and updates even after the "takedown". In fact, there's an event right now for its 8th anniversary.
Oh I didn't know, thank you for that!!
It genuinely makes me so happy to see fan communities continuing to pour their hearts and creativity into those kinds of projects. Thank you for sharing the joy, @LuisQuartz!
in all honestly there are better pokemon fangames but it's still pretty good and didn't deserve what nintendo and gamefreak did
@@nascour5991 pokemon uraniums devs are actually making a better fan game, pokemon flux! its currently a work in progress, but its SO much better than uranium.
Damn, and I was holding on to my 1.0 installer like it was worth money
@@LabMatt I'm not 100% sure but that may be the version where you can keep Nuclear Actan after catching it.
Hell look at one of the most successful official _Sonic_ products in the last decade, _Sonic Mania._ Sega basically saw what the fans were doing, hired them, said "Have at it, and we can all profit."
Yup, this one 100%. SEGA does it right!
It's beyond mind boggling that Nintendo doesn't see what an amazing opportunity it would be to recruit the folks that make fan games for their titles.
It's like ... letting so much incredible talent and passion just ... walk out the door ...
Thank you for watching Vercalos, appreciate you!
@@NotYourFriend-YToh yeah, I would also hire people that use other peoples property without their permission.
ARE YOU SERIOUS?
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They only do it with sonic
in other franchises they just as strict as ninetndo
Christian Whitehead really strugled to make just sonic mania a thing
@@redstone0234 Christian Whitehead was doing everything to get noticed by SEGA for releasing that Sonic CD port, while using what he had learned with his fangames since 2005, and making it official. Later that they decided to lend him the work to do the Sonic 1 and 2 port of the Retro Engine and after that they allowed him and his team to Mania. It took a decade of work and perseverance from the him and his team to make Sonic Mania a reality.
Sega and Garfield gets to have fan-made games but NOT Nintendo.
0:26 AKA the Streisand Effect. When I heard Uranium got a DMCA, I spent an hour to find a CLEAN version that I could play.
It's incredible the amount of work and passion that goes into these fan games; I'm glad you've gotten to play some of em', @JamesTDG!
Thank you for checking the video out -- I really appreciate you!
Uranium's is understandable cuz they tried to profit off it
I downloaded it like 2 months before it got taken down, forgot about it and heard later it was available from the site.
clean uranium, haha
I love how it got moved from a website to a discord server and the lead dev left and thats about it
Kinda reminds me of Hollywood with Megaupload. The only reason their low quality work at the time was even known was because people watched it for free. Megaupload was their Lifesupport, and they sued and took it down thinking it stole their customers.
The reality is, you want people to engage with your creation. You want people to play any mario game, to play any pokemon game. You want people to engage with your material and then spread how good it is. Even if you are not selling it, you want your customers in arms reach when your next game is ready. You don't want people to disengage from your franchise for years on end, because they are not coming back.
Nintendo is taking a huge reputation cost in order to turn around and shoot themself in the foot.
It is quite common that giant companies, when they feel like they are too big to fail, no longer care if an action is good or bad for them because it doesn't matter to them anymore.
That's a great point, @TheTSense - word of mouth (and spreading good material) is a powerful way for companies to get exposure!
It also cuts both ways, negative press burns bridges really quickly ... it's a shame that Nintendo has gotten to the size that they don't seem to mind all that much.
That said, I really appreciate you sharing your insights and for checking out the video. You are appreciated! ❤️
Fair point.
However I feel Nintendo will require more years and total economy collapses before they're finally at critical mass.
Mostly because of the problem that people are just too stupid. We already have a lot of kids or basement dwellers who are the exact same meme format as the "leave the multimillion dollar company alone" guy. People these days just have *_no sense_* in spending their money, especially with the economy happening rn.
@@NotYourFriend-YT Just to add to this, I myself played browser-emulated Megaman games as a kid, and then went on to buy their games as I got older.
MAYBE if the new pokemon games didn't SUCK, most people wouldn't feel the need to play/make fangames.
Spittin' *FACTS*, @nomcatas - I haven't talked about it yet, but everybody knows how the quality control went on Scarlet and Violet ... 😬
Thank you for checking out the video, I really appreciate you! ❤️
I've gotten more playtime in Palworld than the last 3~4 generations of Pokémon combined
@@NotYourFriend-YT Yea, QA on Pokemon SV literally went "you can't release this in this state" and yet The Pokemon Company still replied with "we'll release it in this state" because they wanted it out within the fiscal year, completely ignoring how the actual games fell apart at the seams as soon as you get out of menus.
THANK YOU
And Sw and Sh. My own opinion, the last “good” Pokémon games were Black and White. Maybe Black and White 2 tops.
*Downloads a rom of Mario 64*
Nintendo: STOP. YOU VIOLATED THE LAW.
Is that a reference to Element Animation?
"You wouldn't download a car ... would you??"
HECK YES I WOULD! 😂😂
@@SpeedyNinja1152 The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence. Your stolen goods are now forfeit.
@@normanmai7865*clicks resist arrest*
*Proceeds to download even more roms*
Nintendo: *seethes*
Unlike Nintendo, Sega DOES Hire This Fan Game Creators for Remastering Sonic Games, & make Mania as a Result.
Christian Whitehead really struggled to convince Sega to make sonic mania a thing
@@redstone0234oh dont even get me started on the 3 and knuckles port
And then they didn’t return for Superstars, and guess how that turned out.
It’s not like there’s other sonic fan game devs Sega could use to replace Whitehead.
Yeah but there so incompetent they refused to green light Mania 2. And put stupid restrictions on Whitehead like forcing him to do green hill
@@IhartwalrusguyWhitehead helped with Superstars, porting the Retro Engine physics to Unity.
Nintendo has been like this ever since they won that case against King Kong. They saw how "easy" it was to hijack IP, and they'll be damned if anybody is going to do that to them. The people who performed this coup are still working for Nintendo, and they are poop-their-pants scared that they'll lose [insert character here] the same way if they don't rabidly defend their trademarks. Also, they are not misunderstanding U.S. copyright law - they follow Japanese copyright law which is far more draconian; they simply don't care how things are done in America. With that being said, they could be less douchy.
I am not a lawyer. Be nice.
This, 100%!
In hindsight I should've talked more in the video about the Donkey Kong / King Kong lawsuit, because you're right-it really affected Nintendo as a company and set a precedent moving forward.
Thank you for checking out the video, Alan!
Nintendo's legal division just needs to take a chill pill while their tech bros develop a slightly more powerful console next gen. Their PR will skyrocket again.
Just leave a sticky note in their bathroom: "Try not to be an A#$%^#$ to Nintendo fans today"
Maybe start a pizza party reward program for "X days gone without attacking our target demographic", just a little somethin' to keep their spirits up.
I still find it funny Universal attacked donkey Kong for copyright infringement and one of the byproducts of that case is universal allegedly from what i heard losing that copyright for a time. Also if i had a nickel for everytime Nintendo struck down a huge game that would then spawn a game I can't get enough of, I'd have two nickles, and it's surprising it happened twice. I'm referring to Terraria and AM2R whicb the devs of made Ori
I still find it funny Universal attacked donkey Kong for copyright infringement and one of the byproducts of that case is universal allegedly from what i heard losing that copyright to king kong for a time. Also if i had a nickel for everytime Nintendo struck down a huge game that would then spawn a game I can't get enough of, I'd have two nickles, and it's surprising it happened twice. I'm referring to Terraria and AM2R whicb the devs of made Ori
@@supersayainasriel6745 No, the situation was that it was ruled that King Kong was Public Domain, which means it belongs to the world and not any one person or company.
Outside of the shady practice of lobbying to increase how long an IP can stay out of Public Domain, anything older than 20 years is supposed to count as such too. It's the basis for where I consider emulation to start counting as actual piracy (Wii and older is good, Wii U only gets added once the Switch 2 becomes a thing).
Nintendo: “NO! YOU CAN’T MAKE A FAN GAME!”
Sonic Team: “You’re hired.”
Unless it's Sonic, they will strike down a fan project. Don't believe me? Look up what happened to Streets of Rage Remake.
@scorpinok3006 they mentioned sonic team, not SEGA as a whole
SEGA: "What is your history in game development? How much official education have you had in this field? If you haven't done either of these things, come back again in 3+ years."
Nintendo when some fan-made project is made: You'll mamma your last mia, once we find you...
Your comment had me dying @EnvyDSin, thank you for the laugh 😂
Appreciate you checking out the video, you're the best!
This is not really news to me anymore. Infamously, Nintendo had been after most of Kaze's Super Mario 64 ROM hacks and filing a DMCA on them. Fortunately, some of his most popular Mario 64 ROM hacks are still available to download and play, like Super Luigi 64 and Super Mario 64 Land.
Thank you for sharing this info Marissa; I didn't know Nintendo was *STILL* going after Kaze's stuff. That's awful.
I genuinely don't know what it'll take to wake Nintendo up and realize they should be celebrating that incredible creativity.
I said it in the video, but most companies would jump for joy to have fans that passionate! The mario community is lucky to have Kaze in it!
Likewise, thank you for checking out the video Marissa and for commenting. You are appreciated!
@@NotYourFriend-YT
You're welcome!
You should see what they did to Rovert's Mario Maker 64
Super spamton is still fine for now
@@ultimate8125
We should all be glad that SEGA is pretty cool with Sonic ROM hacks and fangames. Hell, Sonic Mania actually WAS a Sonic fangame originally until SEGA noticed it, asked the developer if he could sell it as an actual game and he agreed to do so under SEGA's licence.
Nintendo is nobody's friend, because they have backstabbed a bunch of their supporters, whether it is fans or other companies trying to do business with them, because I still remember the case with the Donkey Kong programmer, where Nintendo illegally copied his source code to mass produce Donkey Kong cabinets around the world, and they had threatened the guy and even told him that he had no chance at winning, but because the guy was able to prove that the source code in all those cabinets that were not made by him had his source code, the judge moved in his favor and he won the case which is one of the cases that Nintendo has lost in a courtroom, and there were others such as the game genie one and etc, but because Nintendo does not want people to look into their past, they have covered most of these cases and even info regarding them which is why not many folks know about them, and they even tricked companies like Sharp into giving them specs on what a good portable device screen should have been, because they pulled that kind of crap when they were making the GameBoy, but even though they had used Sharp's resources and time, they then went with another manufacturer basically backstabbing Sharp, and they basically tried to do the same thing with Sony when they wanted to use their CD technology, as they were working with them to make the Nintendo Playstation, but because Sony would have gotten publishing rights since they were going to use their CD technology, Nintendo pulled out of the deal in the worst way possible, by basically announcing in that years electronics consumer show that they were going to partner up with Philips instead, because their plan was to basically publicly humiliate Sony, so that they wouldn't be able to resort to some kind of retaliation , but Sony just moved on to announce the Playstation as their own console, and as such Nintendo basically created their own worst enemy because of their crappy business practices, and its crazy how such a company has managed to last thing long, because with how evil and anti everything Nintendo is, they should have gotten bankrupt a long time ago and they don't deserve what they currently have, I highly encourage people to look up their history, because this is a company that has even stole funding from schools and stuff, by suing them just because they had Nintendo decorations or merch decorating the schools, since the students had been big fans of theirs, instead of Nintendo just doing a cease and desist or something, but that's just how Nintendo operates...
So basically the Disney of video games? Except their output at minimum is mediocre and at max is critically acclaimed.
@@woshee_real Yeah, its just nuts, thats one of the best comparisons you can make though, because Disney is just as bad as Nintendo if not worse, and I would have liked to talk more such as how there are even rumors that Nintendo was the cause for Argonaut games becoming ruined, because those developers had been creating pretty good games for Nintendo and stuff, they were the ones who made Star Fox and even had Star Fox 2 pretty much almost finished, but Nintendo didn't let them do what they wanted, and supposedly when they pushed out the idea for a Yoshi 3D game, they had a working prototype, and showcased it to Nintendo but they acted like they were not impressed, and the rumor is that they used that prototype as inspiration for Super Mario 64, and then Argonaut games in frustration made Croc in order to keep using the assets that they had already made, again though this one is unconfirmed, but I'm sure that there has to be some truth to all the rumors around, and the only way to truly know is for someone really good with investigative journalism to tackle most of these rumors, and that is why I normally mention facts like the one with the Donkey Kong programmer.
I agree with your sentiment but have you heard of this thing called a "period"? It's this little dot you put in long texts to break it up into sentences so people don't have to read 500 words without a place to pause 😛 I'm messing with you a bit but damn, that was the longest sentence I've ever read!
@@mronewheeler Sorry, English is not my native language so I sometimes get carried away with the punctuation, and another thing is that I am on mobile, so I get too lazy to do proper editing there.
@@woshee_realexactly that’s what Nintendo is they are Disney in form of a videogame company and i still don’t understand these people who still shit talk anything that EA does but then still simping for Nintendo by admitting that they are shit when it comes to copyright claims but then twisting the argument around by saying stuff like „yeah but you need to understand they are the rightful owner of there IPs and bla bla bla bla bla“ it‘s so incredibly tiring to have hear these arguments over and over again for *years* 🫥
What it comes down to for Nintendo, more than anything else, is _control._ They want players to play their games _Nintendo's_ way, and not anyone else's. This goes from playing fan games not made by Nintendo, down to playing official Nintendo games on official hardware _different;y._ Some of Nintendo's community managers were threatened to be fired over the mere _suggestion_ of doing a Nuzlocke run on video.
This goes back decades too. Even to _absurd_ levels. Like, the reason they withheld themselves from using full properly orchestral music for so long, was all because playtesters would perform actions in time with the music. Oh no the horror!
That's how absolutely insane Nintendo is. You _WILL_ play and think about their games _THEIR_ way and not any other. Including when they start screwing you over or delivering subpar products.
Yup, this is a great summary @GreatFox42 - control has always been at the heart of how Nintendo views their intellectual property.
I had a bit in the episode at one point referencing how Nintendo SUED BLOCKBUSTER (the movie rental company) ... but it didn't make it into the final cut.
They've been ... very quick to phone the lawyers over the years ...
Thank you for checking the video out, really appreciate you sharing your insights!
@@NotYourFriend-YT Yep, I remember that incident. It doesn't get talked about much, as their battle against Game Genie tends to overshadow it, but it's even more screwed up than that one imo.
Oooh that explains a lot actually. Like why they took away the easy dupe glitches in Totk.
@@SpaceWitchJack
I thought I was the only one put off by totk. "Unleash your creativity! But only if we thought of your idea first."
Despite how much more you can do in it, I can't help but feel more limited than when I play botw.
No hate to anyone who likes totk, it's still a great game.
Woah! That summary is great. Hope it gets pinned tho-
i think people often tend to forget too that for every fangame that gets taken down theres dozens of new ones being uploaded everyday, not to mention the reason WHY they get taken down is because big news sites like kotaku alert the masses *INCLUDING NINTENDO* about their existence.
Yuuuup, this 100% -- I agree completely, @yggdrasilsaltar! 🔥
When Nintendo decides to go scorched earth on these games / communities, it brings *SO* much visibility to them than if they'd otherwise just ... not said anything at all. It's really a no-win situation!
I hope that Nintendo can learn to embrace fan games and content, at least a little more than what they've done historically. There's much passion and creativity to be found there!
Likewise, thank you for tuning in -- I really appreciate you sharing your insights. ☺️
For the record, fangames don't stop me from buying their officially released stuff
You and me both, @ironencepersonal9634! I'm glad that they continue to make amazing games -- they have a lot of talent as a company! (I just hope they learn to embrace fan works someday..) 🙏
Thank you for checking out the video, I really appreciate you!
@@NotYourFriend-YT mario and luigi brothership has me excited, but i think Nintendo on the legal side is genuinely disgusting
I thought the problem wasn't sales, I thought it was something about brand image. Nintendo wants to have ALL the control over their brand image and IP - and to that end, they will prevent anyone saying things about it that isn't their ads. It's why they don't like let's plays either.
I think that's still stupid, of course
Musty ahh corpocrats@@manoflead643
but tokt being bad does make me seriously reconsider trusting nintendo to deliver quality games....
I think Nintendo should just let the fans make their fangames. It's a love letter to the company by fans for fans. There is nothing bad about it.
Yuuup, I *completely* agree @warioland523 - if Nintendo would just loosen up a little bit on this topic, it would really improve the relationship with their fans / those communities. ❤️
Thank you for checking out the video, I really appreciate you!
yes and no. what if a kid downloads a mario fangame. but it's one that's uh. not for kids. then the mom goes on to complain about why such a mario game exists. not realizing it's not an mario game made by nintendo themselves.
@@ghoulchan7525 Simple, nice and easy to read text that says "This product is in no way associated with Nintendo". You would need to be a damn IDIOT to miss it!
Except there is bad about it. It baffles me how many of you here argue it falls under "fair use" -it doesn't, literally just google "does fair use allow fangames", it will tell you that fangames are an unauthorized use of copyrighted material. Copyright literally means "right to copy" -you as a fangame creator DON't hold their copyright and therefore don't have the right to copy or redistribute copyrighted content claiming it's "fair use". Fair use is for purposes of commentary, criticism, teaching, news reporting etc, it doesn't allow you to steal someone's assets and put together a game of your own out of those stolen assets and redistribute those stolen assets along with the game, regardless if you make money off of it or not, it is illegal. The only time I agree with you is with nintendo's game letsplay footages on youtube getting taken down as THOSE CAN (not always) fall under fair use, tho they would likely fall flat in court in many cases as they're not very transformative and technically can be taken down legally, just many companies choose not to do it because it can be good pr. Educate yourself and stop saying that stealing and redistributing stuff that isn't yours is fair use.
@@Bond01_ wth are you talking about? He’s just saying that Nintendo should just let their fans make fan games. What’s so hard to understand here?
This isn’t a talk about whether a fan game falls under fair use or if it’s legal or not to use assets from someone else game. Before you start rambling on about that kind of stuff, please read what the original commenter is talking about first. It isn’t that hard
At some point, the copyright offices REALLY need to be overhauled. Not only should copyright offices be actively seeking out and punishing companies that send false DMCAs, but fan projects need to be put under fair use, as, if you aren’t charging money for them, it is essentially the same thing as a kid making up stories with their toys. If it is a parody or analysis, then it shouldn’t matter if it’s making money (technically speaking, that part is already SUPPOSED to be the case), but if it doesn’t fall under one of those categories, as long as it isn’t making money, it shouldn’t be struck, and the government should be actively stopping companies from doing this instead of waiting for somebody both brave enough to face the company and rich enough to afford good lawyers to take them to court.
Also, I’m not sure if this is already the case or not, but if it isn’t, then the copyright laws should apply to the country the person BEING SENT the cease-and-desist is from, NOT the country the company is from.
I completely agree, and I appreciate you speaking up about this @gechoman44iwantahippo -- companies that wield copyright law as a weapon to intimidate creators or stifle communities really should be taken to task by the media. It's frustrating!
For me personally, I just hope that Nintendo can learn to reflect on these interactions they've had; there's so much genuine passion and creativity in these communities, and it's a shame that they often see them as a legal "enemy" as opposed to what they are: some of their most passion fans.
I appreciate you checking out the video and for sharing your insights. You are appreciated!
@@gechoman44iwantahippo I'm fairly certain that you don't fully comprehend how international IP laws actually work. Neither do I so I'm not suited to talk as if I do, but enough to know that it seems to encourage aggressive action and is rather outdated. US laws and how they're set on precedence also some part in it. That's why some lawyers would argue that the law itself is the main problem in all this, but I'm no expert. Really, best to consult an actual professional on exactly how IP laws work, rather than simply trust in the layman's very basic understanding of it.
@@luxinfinite1394that and considering Nintendo works with the Japanese interpretation of the laws, going up against the Japanese justice system is pretty much a lost fight in advance.
So in the end its nearly impossible to change the current status quo because those who could change it stand to gain from it
I think nintendo wants people to HAVE to buy a nintendo consle if you wanna play Mario. That's why they hate it when you pirate 30 year old games or play a fangame, it allows you to have a Mario experience without buying their console.
yeah this. theyre a good software company and a sub par hardware company. they had been at the forefront for hardware development for a long time.... but since the ambitious wii they seem to be less interested in innovating now
From a business perspective…I kinda get it? Nintendo works with low power consoles that get by on brand recognition. Being hyper protective of that brand is vitally important to them.
@@goroakechi6126 why not just make really bad ass software for PCs and let the kids figure out the specs and hardware...?
Which is funny considering you can't even BUY Super Mario Bros. 3 from them. You can only purchase a temporary subscription to access the game from a server, and as soon as they drop NSO support for the switch, guess what happens, you lose access to that game, and by extension, your save data.
Personally, my theory on emulation, fan games, and now games being not even owned by people or having to be activated is simple! If you play an old game, or a free game, you are not giving them money or playing their newest product. How would you dare not to give them your money.
If you make a Nintendo fan game:
Release the game and it's source code quietly and anonymously. The internet will handle the rest.
I have sometimes wondered why more projects don't do exactly this, thank you for the comment @anonanon1604!
Likewise, thank you for checking out the video-have an awesome weekend ahead! 👋
Fangames don’t stop me from buying their stuff, BUT WHEN THEY DO SHIT LIKE THIS!,That’s what stops me.
Absolutely @mlgguythemlgest. Nintendo is just hurting themselves and their reputation with the community with these actions. Thanks for the comment and for checking out the video!
Apparently, SEGA treated Christian Whitehead and the other devs of Sonic Mania like shit (in payroll). They only got paid from game sales when they hit arbitrary numbers. They didn’t get any money from game sales themselves.
Yup SEGA is a borderline black company in Japan, and people aren't racing to work for them.
Really?! Wow…That. Explains a lot actually
Nice to finally know the reason why Christian and his team had such a bad fallout with SEGA. I knew they had a fallout but not why, only that SEGA was being… well, SEGA.
So, while I appreciate SEGA's generous attitude towards fans and their content creation… SEGA isn't really better than Nintendo, they're just bad in different areas.
SEGA treats their employees like any standard American corporation - which doesn't excuse anything but makes it easier to swallow when you inevitably get burnt due to how normal/common it is - whereas Nintendo is straight-up draconian control freaks towards their CONSUMERS, which leaves a very sour impression when you try to interact and work with them as a content creator… which is by far and large a much more unique experience that tends to single Nintendo out.
Xbox is very protective of its IPs as well and will SOMETIMES send out cease and desist orders to fan game creators for CERTAIN IPs but is by no means as unreasonable with their consumers as Nintendo is. You don't see Xbox or Sony go after modders or people making emulators of their old hardware - like the Xenia and RPCS3 emulators - whereas Nintendo does (they've been in conflict with the Dolphin emulator for years trying to shut it down as an example), and Nintendo will peck at EVERY fan for ANY of their IPs.
People dislike Sony and Xbox for their business practices and treatment of their employees but again, it's easier to swallow because they're not unique in this. Nintendo is very unique in how they strike down on content creators, whether its mods, fan games or emulators.
Hence, SEGA gets more slack despite its horrid business practices because it's not unique on that front. It is, however, very unique in how VERY GENEROUS they are towards their consumers and fans. So long as you don't profit from their IP, you can go nuts with your content creation. (Not even Xbox is that generous; they'll still send a warning to fans if certain extreme things like creepy pasta get widespread.)
SEGA doesn't even mind if content creators ask for donations to help them better sustain themselves and focus more on the fan creations they're making. Because it's not considered profit so much as charity to help out a project both the creator and fans alike are passionate about. The fan game itself won't be charged for, so it's not profit.
Very generous indeed.
Small things like that are the reasons why a franchise like Sonic is still going strong and still considered a cash cow to SEGA despite its wild inconsistency in quality. If SEGA started striking down fans like Nintendo does, they'd lose a lot of profit and loyalty from fans overnight, and basically kill their IPs.
I've been sick of the "SEGA, HIRE THIS MAN!!!" drivel that's been going on for years. SEGA doesn't hire any random modder in their parent's basement to work for them, it takes proper education and experience with game development like any other studio.
And if you are actually this man which SEGA hires, don't expect good working conditions, handsome pay, or to be secured for future projects.
If people are playing fan games and not buying official ones, the fan games haven't done any damage. Either the player has no money and to play the official games would constitute piracy - OR the official games are so bad that they aren't worth buying, in which case the company has damaged their own reputation.
That's a good point @ErdrickHero, I also believe that fan games and Nintendo's official ones could possibly coexist without damaging one-another.
More than anything else, it'd be nice to see Nintendo embrace those communities (and their creations), but it's probably going to take a long time. We can hope!
Thank you for checking out the video and for sharing your insights, I really appreciate you! 👋
*coughPokemoncough*
like Gaben said, beat piracy with a better product
At this point they sue people more often than they make games
It does feel like it, doesn't it! 😅
Thank you for checking out the video @ghost_ship_supreme -- I appreciate you tuning in! ❤️
You mean make good games right more copyright strikes then good games made is true
@@NotYourFriend-YT it doesn't just _feel_ like it, it's actually true unfortunately
Hiya, ex Project M dev here, thanks for the coverage. It's been a pretty dark day for our community when we got shut down, and I'm proud to say that unlike Nintendo, I love our players dearly.
I remember doing the interviews for the mod, and we actually did our best to stay in their good graces. We promoted a hackless method to access our mod, spoke positively about Nintendo publicly, and even stated that Nintendo had our blessing to use any content we come up with. We basically did everything right. And this wasn't even enough.
I actually maintain a blogpost about a lot of Nintendo's... less consumer friendly moments, so if you'd like a link to help you out with content. Let me know.
Howdy @Vigilanteblade -- I just want to say *thank you* for sharing your passion with so many people; you and the rest of the PM team (and now the P+ team) have poured so much heart into that game, and I'm beyond grateful to have it out in the world for people to experience.
I genuinely hope that Nintendo someday reflects on how they've treated these communities; to say that they've burned bridges is an understatement.
Thank you for checking out the video VB! You are appreciated! ❤️
@@NotYourFriend-YT thanks, you take care!
Damn, you guys were really fighting an uphill battle. The games industry as a whole (but especially the big players) collectively despises emulation and modding, and Smash Bros being a collaborative effort means the whole industry (even those uninvolved in Smash) would've been breathing down Nintendo's neck to end you. And best of all for these guys, Nintendo would absorb the entirety of the bad press around it likely due to their third party agreements. The industry, and Smash, being what it is meant that you were always going to burn under their ire.
I'd just ask to try to see it from Nintendo's side who needs to maintain third party trust in them despite allowing Project M to last so long. And yes, they could've ended Project M way sooner. And again, these third parties that Nintendo courts for Smash Bros, they all hate emulation and modding and it REALLY doesn't look good for Nintendo to do nothing about it, and so for Smash to continue as it is, to maintain third party trust in them, means they'd have to put an end to Project M eventually.
In short, Nintendo HAS to be extra, extra skittish about Smash Bros as it is always more than just Nintendo that Smash Bros represents, it often represents gaming in its entirety.
And keep in mind, one can absolutely stand up to the rest of the industry... But they're not gonna lend you their characters if you do, will they?
@luxinfinite1394 Sega in fact gave us their blessing to use Sonic and Knuckles. They have even commented on how much they loved our Jet Set Radio costume for Sonic, and expressed sadness at Project M's closure.
Konami has not spoken on the matter, and my sources at NOA have confirmed that this was Nintendo, and Nintendo only.
I do not wish to see Nintendo's side, as they are clearly in the wrong and they do not have a legitimate case. Mods have been allowed by companies like Valve and Sega without any issues prior.
Nintendo acted in bad faith, tried to control us, and the pressure argument falls apart when it was proven that they were subtly trying to get TOs to cast us aside and do their dirty work for them before they started going nuclear. They spent years making false promised and lying to the smash community that if they forsakened our game, they would be getting official support, which never even happened. They tried to get away with it scott free.
Mods can easily exist. We call this an open license agreement.
You know what the funny part about terraria is?
Today it outselled the original super mario bros and re-logic did a blog about the achievement
Like
They didn't talk about the 50 million, they talked about the 58 million (super mario sold 57,6 million) like i didnt know they are developer's of super mario bros x and now makes sense why they did it this
Really fucking funny
That's incredible @maxuwl - I didn't know that! 🤯 What an incredible achievement!
It's a shame that Nintendo reacted the way they did to his work; they could've brought him on board and made amazing games, but instead they decided to reject him and the project. What a joke.
I'm glad that he's found such huge success! Thank you for sharing those insights, and I really appreciate you checking the video out! 👋
What they developed SMBX?
@@NotYourFriend-YT nintendo is not obligated to hire fans ffs
@@borklazer587yeah of course they aren’t obligated that’s how it works. But it’d be a pretty smart move to hire people you can pay low amounts for still good quality
Wait… so the creators of the amazing Terraria. The game that has been around for like a decade now. Was made by the same people who made mario x? Hang on sec…lets see here ahhh Aha!
“YOU KILLED ME ONCE! BUT I AM MORE POWERFUL THAN YOU CAN EVER IMAGINE!”
Yeah i think this quote will do
"We dont want you to like our games, we just want you to pay for them"
Nintendo probably
Trying to go to war with r34 artists is a fight that is literally IMPOSSIBLE it is literally not only a literal rule of the internet but a thing that will ALWAYS exist in human thought and the wills of people who will just keep making more and more stuff with no end in sight
Yuuuup, I'm on the same page @nicholasaugello2534 - it's a tale as old as time with the internet ... 😂
Thank you for checking out the video and for sharing your insights. Really appreciate you! 👋
Pick matchups that are possible to even win , Blizzard tried and failed miserably
Nintendo should probably fix their DMCA bot so it targets ONLY bootlegs. Too bad I’m the only one who thinks that way. I think.
The topic of DMCA bots is something I wish I'd researched / gone into more in this episode. I'll work it into a future episode--thank you for pointing it out, Julianno! 👋
@@NotYourFriend-YT You’re welcome!
NGL, I think the bootlegs are fine as well, they are hilarious!
No company will do that because it doesn't affect them. They only stand to benefit from the false hits as it gets them a little more and they can just say 'well, it was a mistake on the bot's part' if worst comes to worse.
Their hand has to be forced. Hard. Do it to one company, the rest will be forced to follow suit to avoid going down with them.
@@juliannocartagena2007 except they are not doing anything wrong, you guys are just hellbent on being allowed whatever you want to do with someone else's COPY-RIGHTED material WITHOUT PERMISSION. That's literally illegal as it infringes on nintendo's EXCLUSIVE COPY-RIGHT, you should educate yourselves on why, otherwise you'll continue saying these absurd things as if you were in the right. Most of those fangames are put together out of ripped original nintendo's content, I wonder how you would feel if someone distributed your stuff without your permission.
Sonic Mania was made by people who started by making ROM hacks and music remixes of Sonic games. SEGA won't officially acknowledge fan games, but as long as nobody tries to sell them, they leave fan projects alone. Nintendo absolutely does not need to behave this way.
I completely agree @TheZeroNeonix - it's so cool that Sonic Mania was largely made by fans, it's such an incredible game and I'm glad Sega trusted them with it.
I hope Nintendo can learn to embrace those communities someday! Likewise, thank you for checking out the video and sharing your insights! 👋
This is why DMCA'd games need to just leak. Never understood why fan projects just buckle. These corporations can't do anything about it once it's loose.
That's an insane take, if the games see any distribution then the corporation that DMCA'd them can interpret that as disobeying the DMCA notice and file a lawsuit. Games can't "just leak" as any form of leaking is an intentional action, which gives grounds for it to be taken to court.
@@kieranboulton3953 Things get leaked all the time, stolen. They might have shared the game multiple times during production for testing. Its not like fan games aren't often open source projects produced by many people. No one person can be condemned for a build floating about. If long before the dmca was issued a person had the game sitting on a drive and it got lost on the bus, and that game appears online how is it the makers fault? I've never seen this issue get pushed in court. There is no precedent for someone being hung up like this for something that is out of their hands. Once Software is online it can't be expected to be contained. This is why these projects should be public in the first place.
@@kieranboulton3953 You can cease and desist a creator all you want and they will have to stop producing and hosting the game but they can't be held liable for every build that's being hosted on the internet.
@@Vespyr_ That's an entirely different situation, you said that you didn't understand why they just buckle when they are DMCA'd, my answer explained why.
Of course, any subsequent release from outside of the team would not result in the team facing consequences. Instead whoever was responsible for distributing them would face their own DMCA notice. This is exactly what happened with Yuzu after it was shut down, when a load of reuploads started popping up straight away they were swiftly met with DMCA notices, but the Yuzu team faced no further action.
@@kieranboulton3953So what, if a fangame is popular enough, it can just spite Nintendo by continuously changing hands, being released, getting their own DMCA, then passing hands to another different person or group who will share it again?
SEGA, VALVe has issued DMCAs in the past but it's super few of them, really specific, hell Portal 64 was not taken down by VALVe technically, they asked the dev to not use Nintendos N64 code, he ended up declining, and took it down himself. TF2 Source 2 was already dead in the water due to S&Box not being a stable engine (garry keeps changing the entire thing).
They should reconsider becoming a lawsuit firm instead with their track records
Your comment gave me a HUGE laugh, @stephenodell812! Thank you for sharing it! 😂
I really appreciate you checking out the video, thank you for being a friend!
@@NotYourFriend-YT Ayep, yer editing style and humor also got me rolling a couple of times so we're even 2 for 2 pfft. Anyways I'll be binge watching yer vids from now on since it's right up my alley, great work on this one.
Nintendo's fan content guidelines:
None
You have to hide or die
I *knew* I saw that in there!!
Thank you for watching, Viktor!
Either hide, or sublet your code to so many people that any form of DMCA does NOTHING to stop your project from vanishing. This is what we did with Mario Royale, so many independently developed branches at this point, that we'll never lose the game, hell, I made sure to back up a copy of the game!
nintendo has every right to object to you literally distributing any sort of copyrighted assets of theirs for free, it is illegal and is considered a copyright infringement as you are copying-and-redistributing THEIR content without the COPYRIGHT-HOLDER's permission, it is ILLEGAL to do so. Please do your research on what "copyright infringement" is, what rights does the end consumer have and what terms and conditions apply to the end consumer who is using the product.
You are bound by those legal terms and conditions and yet NOBODY READS THEM AND YET PEOPLE CLICK "ACCEPT" WITHOUT QUESTION, I RECOMMEND YOU DO.
@@Bond01_ dude, I don't give a single shit about the law. The law is not a moral system that I believe matters because I don't care what they want us to do. We can do what we want.
@@BiTreeFrog except the law is designed to make you care via punishments for breaking it, and I believe the punishments are there for exactly such attitudes. The copyright law isn't there to piss people off, it's there to protect intellectual proprty from theft and unauthorized use and redistribution, it literally applies to anyone whoever made anything original.
The official answer why nintendo hates fangames that I heard a few years back was that there were people who couldn't tell the difference between the fangames and offical releases and would supposedly contact Nintendo's official helplines when their game busted and nintendo A)didn't have a soultion having never created the game in first place, and B)couldn't handle their helplines being flooded with so many new people.
This is why so many fangames have "not an offical product: and should not be treated or sold as such" at the beginning of their game, to try to prevent this problem from allegedly occurring.
This is only happening so far in the West. Idk why this reason was so hated that doing fan games would be a good thing. Plus, Nintendo mostly makes good games lately than any other game company in Japan.
Oh that's interesting @Harper_Onions, thank you for sharing that - I wasn't aware that fans were getting confused! I can see how that'd be frustrating both for the company as well as the gamers. 😅
Thank you for checking out the episode and for sharing your insights. I appreciate you doing so, Harper!
@@NotYourFriend-YTokay but how old were said fans
The entire Nintendo staff could use a major upgrade.
Definitely their legal department, that's for sure!
Thank you for checking out the video @BlueThunderO7 -- I really appreciate you!
@@NotYourFriend-YT Especially their legal department. And no problem. I always knew Nintendo wasn't a perfect company. No company is.
Nintendo tends to consider PR when picking fan-projects to take down.
A part of me suspects this is why they have not done anything to the Satellaview fan scene (Notable for BS Zelda projects and translations of recent Satellaview ROM dumps); namely, any attempt to take that scene down via legal action will lead to increased awareness and demand for a legacy platform they haven't touched in over 20 years, that they very likely are not willing to placate.
I kinda hinged my TH-cam Channel on that bet, and, somehow, in spite of me sometimes doing high-risk things, I never got any legal threats from Nintendo.
Howdy @kabbusses - thank you for sharing your insights! ❤️
I've played BS Zelda, but that's the only Satellaview game that's reached me, it's definitely an area of the SNES library that I've missed out on!
Likewise, I'm seeing *so much* gaming history on your channel-you've earned an instant sub from me! Thank you so much for sharing your passion on TH-cam!
@@NotYourFriend-YT "Cyber Citizen Shockman Zero" is available in English now! You may enjoy that one if you want to play a beat-em-up with some Mega Man-esque platforming and visual aesthetic. A while back, Square's infamous "Radical Dreamers", the predecessor to Chrono Cross, was included in Cross's HD Remaster "Chrono Cross: The Radical Dreamers Edition". I think it'd be a good idea to support these releases to show further interest! "Cooly Skunk", the early version of "Punky Skunk" that broadcast as a Satellaview demo only to never see a proper Super Famicom cart release, may well be next in line if the fundraising does well.
As for what's been recovered recently by ROM dumpers, the Satellaview version of Super Bombliss is probably the biggest bombshell in regards to amount of ROM content. There were also releases for BS Fuurai no Shiren and Takara-hai Osumo Eisei Bashou, as well as several demos, including one for SFC Madou Monogatari with a few prerelease graphics and a version of Panic Bomber W that doesn't use the SA-1 expansion chip.
Hopefully some of that may interest you! There's still more coming, too!
@cabbusses - will definitely check it out! I'm a HUGE fan of retro mega-man, so this'll be one for me to keep my eyes peeled for. Thank you for sharing it, Cabbusses! ❤️
I only knew about BS Zelda because of youtubers like NakaTeleeli covering it, personally.
@@LordTyph Wow, Teleeli's Ancient Stone Tablets fan translation videos go way back by now.
Do they even predate the MSU1 dub? Can't recall... It's unfortunate that the fandub voice acting in that seems to have generally not been accepted.
Either way, quite a bit has happened.There's be attempts and strives in making the games more closely resemble how they broadcast.
Eminem proved "being white" isn't an excuse to be bad at rap.
"I prefer Skittles."
"No, like, the rapper."
"WHY WOULD YOU EAT THE WRAPPER???"
Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes (Made by Kajar Laboratories as a sequel to Chrono Trigger.)
Chrono Trigger: Prophet's Guile (Also made by Kajar Laboratories, has you play as Magus and tells his story preceding and leading up to the events of Chrono Trigger.)
Zelda 2: Adventure of Link (Remaster by HoverBat for PC. Now *the* definitive way to play Zelda 2! Numerous fixes and quality of life improvements, and support for HD aspect ratios.)
Kaizo Mario (Difficult SMW hack. The entire "Kaizo" genre of hacks is named after it. I believe there are 2 sequels made by the same person.)
Pokemon Uranium (Fangame designed from the ground up for PC rather than being a mod. Features a story with more mature themes, has original Pokemon and even a new type.)
Ship of Harkinian (A PC port of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time with numerous quality of life improvements available as optional settings. Has support for the randomizer too.)
While we're on the subject, fans of Nintendo 64 games should be aware that *every N64 game can be decompiled, and the tools to do so are free and open source.* Anyone who's willing to learn can port any N64 game to PC and play with upscaled graphics, decompressed music, maybe create some bug fixes or make mods. Skies the limit. The code is your oyster.
Other N64 titles currently being worked on include Mario Kart 64, Super Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie, Goldeneye 007, Perfect Dark, and Majora's Mask.
Enjoy~
Oh dang, thank you for sharing @trajectoryunown! I'm a massive fan of Chrono Trigger fan (Frog and Robo are such cool characters...) so I'll definitely be checking those out! 🔥
Can I ask: who was your favorite character from Chrono Trigger? Please tell me you're team Frog! 🐸
@@NotYourFriend-YT Been a while since I played, but I recall not being such a big fan of Frog. (I thought he was annoying, but his theme slapped and he did have some awesome combos with Chrono.)
As I recall, my personal tier list when I played was, in order:
- Magus (I was an edgy teen.)
- Lucca (best girl)
- Robo (best girl's robo bro)
- Ayla & Chrono (Liked 'em, but not much)
- Marle & Frog (actually disliked them)
Chrono Trigger was one of the few games that I regularly switched up my team. I actually made use of everyone.
Magus, Ayla, Robo - *Elite* demolition squad.
Magus, Chrono, Ayla - Balanced team.
Chrono, Lucca, Marle - Classic dream team.
Magus, Chrono, Frog - Legendary misfits.
Magus, Lucca, Robo - The introverts.
Magus, Lucca, Marle - Dream team variant.
Looking back as an adult I feel differently about some things I didn't respect and think I've got less bias. So the revised list would probably be:
- Frog & Magus (Actual legends)
- Lucca & Chrono (Ride or die besties)
- Ayla & Robo (Happenstance family)
- Marle (I can't recall why I dislike her, but her giggling sprite still evokes fury within me.)
@@trajectoryunown Totally agree--Magus is such a great character, and I *love* that the game gives you the choice as to how to resolve the Frog / Magus conflict.
Likewise, the Chrono / Magus / Frog line-up is BEASTLY! I love it so much.
Darn it ... you've got me wanting to re-play Chrono Trigger now. (I'm in the middle of an FFIX replay, so it'll have to be after that ..)
And you know who caused all the stock market crashes on Monday? It was Japan. What happens is that Japan has the cheapest loans in the world and many people found out that they charged very little interest on loans, and people used it to buy or invest in the stock market, and Japan saw that they were giving money instead of the loan being returned with interest, they increased the interest and made no changes and that is why the stock market fell.
The real irony is how Nintendo's aggressive attitude towards fan games hurts their own reputation, sales, and fanbase. They are actively declaring they do not want to have fans. It also leads people to question the quality of their modern games when, without all the DMCA, they might have been happy to overlook the lapse in quality.
I agree @rainbowdash8003, and thank you for sharing your insights. I hope that Nintendo is able to reflect on how they've treated these communities (and learn from their creativity). 🙏
Thank you for checking out the video, I appreciate you!
first time viewer and felt the need to say great work on this video and will be checking out the rest of your channel! I do agree with a previous comment that the number of "meme clips" can be heavily parsed down. they usually just repeat the same thing you said a few seconds ago without providing any new insight, context, or entertainment. that being said, i'm glad the algorithm sent me your way and look forward to seeing what you have in store!
Thank you Brian for checking out the video and for sharing that feedback! I really appreciate you!
I'll work on striking that balance better for future videos. Sometimes my love of memes / silly editing gets the better of me ...
Likewise, let me know if there's any future topics you'd like to see talked about!
Nintendo logic (probably)
If fans are playing fan games they aren't playing our newest game
If fans put out fan games for free people aren't buying our new game
If fan games get more popular then our original game it makes us look bad and they worry people will whine why wasn't this in the original game
Fan games that upgrade the original might set a new standard for the next game we put out or be unfairly compared to it
Fanames/mods that are higher rated them the original game make us look bad and ruin the rating that game has and are not to be encouraged WHAT if my chronically online child found it!
Etc
Every story has at least 2 sides
That's a great point @vaelegoro7782
Yah, I completely agree--fan games run the gamut of great to really bad, but it's awesome to see such cool innovation in those titles.
I hope Nintendo can learn to embrace it one day!!
Thank you for the kind words, I really appreciate you.
[Aggressive Chicken Nugget Dipping Intensifies]
Funnily enough
I have seen a video exactly about that
It was basically Mario wonder vs Mario world ROM hacks
Do I agree with the guy?no, alot of points was just, ROM hack y, did this better, and ROM hack x, did this better, and físics on wonder are not Mario world enough (even tho he mostly plays Mario world so of course the other 2D is not gonna feel like world)
Is not creative enough, wonders seeds are respective (yes but no, you play the stage twice sometimes just to see what doesn't change and be new level even it is just a bigger enemy) and a lot of bosses are respective (even tho a lot of ROM hacks of Mario world are still use vanilla bosses in a different situation only)
But the fact that a guy did this video, to dunk on wonder, praise ROM hacks that are nowhere near eachother aside from using Mario world says alot
No wonder is not perfect
HOW WE STILL HAVE NO COOL BOSSES LIKE THE FIRST NEW MARIO BROS FROM NINTENDO DS?
And some of the stuff of Mario wonder seems...sus to say the least (looking at you bubble flower)
But try compare a one game vs probably 2 decades of improvements of ROM hacking feels unfair even if it is 2D Mario
By all means continue to do ROM hacks or play wonder or maker
But I feel is pretty clear there shouldn't be a discussion about comparing the 2
@@NotYourFriend-YT It's going to be a while because there's a cultural difference in play.
Honestly, I think that, despite some of their scummy moves, they're probably the lesser of the evils currently in play. At the very least, they're not as interested in moralizing, demonizing their customers, forcing political stuff into their games, ect. I'd suffer with it so long as that remained the minimum, though I'd obviously hope for a change for hte better.
I am a long time Nintendo fan and I have grown to genuinely hate them as a company with a burning passion.
I know how you feel @magmamaster1801; I grew up really enjoying Nintendo games myself, and have *amazing* memories of playing them with my friends and family.
I hope they can reflect as a company and learn how to embrace a lot of these communities. There's a lot of passion and creativity there!
Thank you for checking out the video and for sharing your experience; I really appreciate you! 👋
As a child in Eastern Europe I didn't have access to Nintendo games and I was the only kid who even knew what it was, spent my time playing fangames as we didn't have access to Nintendo consoles.
You: there not hurting Nintendo.
Nintendo: we want money
the Mr. Krabs model of business
God Nintendo lawyers suck
Nintendo as a company sucks. The only people worth a damn at Nintendo are the actual development teams, everyone else there are some of the worst businessmen and women to ever exist.
The industry as a whole sucks, Nintendo is just another standard. Valve, Sega, Konami, Capcom, Microsoft and EA, the big players all follows the same guidelines basically. And no, Valve and Sega are no different, actually dive into the messy logistics and it's easy to see how it's all cold, calculated business. You can find plenty of deeper diving videos here on TH-cam.
It's easy to see it as "only Nintendo sucks" when the video only talks about Nintendo. Branch out and you'll see the same crap everywhere.
that's a pun, their most famous one was named Kirby
Great statement.
"Nintendo is not your friend."
TH-cam has really kicked it into high gear with recommending small creators. Like half the videos I see I look at the sub count and it’s in the hundreds
Imagine if they spent the money they paid lawyers with and instead invested in fans
Now *this* is an incredible idea, @tylerwebb2495 - we can only imagine how many cool fan projects that would happen if Nintendo chilled out a little bit.
Thank you for checking the video out, I really appreciate you! 👋
Except most of the fans just wanna ride that train of success nintendo has by stealing their assets and designs and slapping their name onto it. I think anyone who is a creator (I can tell most of you never created something of your own given how you can't imagine yourself in nintendo's situation) -I think anyone would be pissed if they saw someone else using their work without permission and slapping their own name onto it and saying "this is my fangame" while it's put together of ripped original assets and designs that aren't theirs. It's downright unfair, go make your own platformer and don't give him blue and red overalls while naming him mario and giving him the exact same look as the original mario design, see how successful you can get when you have to make the works yourself instead of stealing nintendo's content.
@@Bond01_ that’s dramatically oversimplifying the situation. I’m an artist, it’s literally my job to create things. It’s completely acceptable to make art of a character you don’t have the rights to, it’s protected under fair use laws. While a lot of fan game creators and modders don’t use their own assets, which is not protected under fair use, a game is more than just graphical assets. When Sega saw the work of dedicated fans, instead of trying to destroy their careers, they hired them. That’s how we got Sonic Mania, one of the most beloved modern Sonic games. Sega has learned that fans carry the heart of their franchise, so they hired fans to help create Sonic Frontiers. If Nintendo took a leaf from their book and chose to hire these talented creators, even in a single small project, to work under their roof then we could have some incredible games. Pokemon tries to snuff out their fans as much as they can, imagine if they hired them to create their side projects instead of ILCA, who make the worst version of Diamond and Pearl. If Nintendo hired fans then they’d have their ears directly at the source of the people who purchase their games. But no, Nintendo only sees fans as obstacles to their money, much like you apparently.
@@tylerwebb2495 Except those fans don't have much to offer to nintendo, that is exactly why they compensate for their own shortcomings by using nintendo's concepts, designs and downright assets because they contribute very little by themselves most of the time and trust me -nintendo doesn't need an average-to-mediocre level of quality worker, especially if he hasn't gone out of his way to try to apply for the job directly instead of infringing on copyright by distributing stuff that isn't fully his. You are right that it is acceptable to make art of a character you don't have rights to but that is exactly a case of fair use, the fangames we are talking about do not fall into the same category as they are not merely using a portion of the work in a transformative way but downright copying the entire game in many cases or producing an end product that is absolutely drowned in copyright-infringement and is then distributed as a game. Don't you see a problem with that? Hell, even if it was lets say -only music, wouldn't that be incredibly unfair for someone to be allowed to just yoink some music and use it in some work that isn't even fully theirs infringing on more and more copyrights, its a total disrespect to the law of "if you don't have permission then DON'T DO IT, ASK FIRST", nobody is stopping people from asking nintendo if they can use their stuff, except they probably know nintendo would just say "no" but anyway.
Nintendo has every right to do with their IPs and their EXCLUSIVE COPY-RIGHTs as they please, if they don't want to give you permission to do what is ILLEGAL WITHOUT A PERMISSION then you are simply not allowed to, end of story.
@@Bond01_ we’re not talking about every average creator to be worked with, that was never the case. Not every kid who makes stuff on Mario maker has a lot to provide. But I’ve played countless fan games across multiple franchises that have just as much original content, including assets, as the games they’re modding. When a fan chooses to use assets from say Mario or Pokemon, they do it because they love that franchise, not because they want to rip off something that isn’t there’s for some sick pleasure. It’s not out of laziness, it’s out of passion. Instead of harnessing their creative power they’d rather end it. In the end it’s closed minded and destructive. If every tech company just wanted to jail hackers they’d have very vulnerable systems. Instead they hire hackers to test their systems, using their talents for their benefit instead of attacking them. Some will be destructive no matter what, sure, but that’s just life. Nintendo doesn’t make allies for themselves, they only make enemies.
You have every right to kill creativity because it hurts your feelings, power to you. So does Nintendo. But there are better options that Nintendo and you refuse to see
It also reminds me of when persona 5 was released and even the gameplay being uploaded caused DMCA takedowns. Honestly, DMCA is just the catch all of “trademark” whilst ignoring “transformative work”.
I hadn't heard that @TheSidwysDrftr, thank you for sharing that info! I'm a big fan of Persona 5, but it's a bummer that channels / videos were targeted on TH-cam.
I appreciate you sharing that info, and for checking out the video! 👋
Speaking of Sega, they did DMCA the fans that were working to translate Fate/CCC to english, people though that sega would actually bring the game to EU and US, but they never did, so we never got the translated version.
Thank you for sharing that info @RedHoodRubyRose, I wasn't aware that Sega had done that. It's a good reminder that companies can do both good and bad ... I hope that for Fate fans, they're able to bring the game to the west.
I appreciate you sharing your insights, and thank you for checking out the video!
Project M was especially quirky in the fact that if you wanted to play it You'd have to buy the smash bros game. Meaning if you wanted to play the fan project. You'd have to send Nintendo your money first.
My guess is Nintendo just has PTSD from the Donkey Kong incident, so they want to keep a stranglehold on their IP to make sure it never happens again.
And now their IP is suffocating to death.
Universal should've won, at this point.
Congrats to these views blowing up! Well deserved, the humor and editing is super on point, friend.
Thank you for the kind words @hichaelhighers, I really appreciate you ❤️
I said this to a friend...
As good as Nintendo is at making high quality fun games, SEGA is at dealing with their fans. The reverse is also true. As bad as SEGA is at creating good high quality games, Nintendo is at dealing with their fans.
Thank you. Finally someone is saying that needs to be addressed. That is a true fact. People that played Nintendo games needs to get over this because compared to Sega, Capcom, and other game companies in Japan, they’re literally the biggest game company so far and they’re strict with their characters which they don’t want to be used publicly. Even the player base in Japan will not like it either.
"If something is put on the internet, it will never go away"
Is a moto that companies need to understand and accept. Along with that, imagine if Nintendo allowed fan projects, and did the OG Valve approach of "Hey, this is pretty good, how about some funding to make it better or for you to make it officially?"
00:10 This scrubs reference has earned you my subscription
I *LOVE* Papyrus! (and Sans, for that matter...)
@@NotYourFriend-YT Listen. I'm a simple man. I see scrubs, I subscribe!
10:42 to be fair that feels like an exception that Sega would make if it was literally any other company or even creator that would’ve been an automatic strike, regardless of any warning whatsoever I feel like that’s was a very special case scenario
when the vid so good u gotta pause ur tv to subscribe on ur phone
There is no one that hates Nintendo fans more than Nintendo
They’ve erased a fan game on Roblox that I play called pwip, you could play as pikmin and creatures, pwip was taken down multiple times but always put back up until eventually it was taken down for good
I hadn't heard of that one, thank you for sharing pwip Alex!! I'll try to look for gameplay online and see what it looked like. Fans come up with the coolest projects and ideas!
Likeiwse, thank you for checking out the video!! You're the best, Alex!! 👏
P O K E M O N B R I C K B R O N Z E
Another one brick bronzed, that sucks...
I found in my HD a video that someone posted on Twitter back in the day, it was a Smash tournament and everyone went F- Nintendo.
Good video, was surprised when saw you only have 2k subs
Thank you for the kind words @err0rc0degames -- I love your profile icon, is that from a video game?
Likewise, thank you for checking out the video! Let me know if there's any topics you'd like to see explored in future episodes. You're the best! 👋
Love the high production value of your video and research behind the content, your vid it criminally under-viewed, dropped and like and subbed!
Thank you for the kind words @radwulfclan2841, I can't tell you just how much messages like this mean to me. ❤️ If you ever have any topics you'd like to see talked about in future episodes, let me know!!
Thank you for being a friend!
They crossed the line when they hit gmod mods with the dmca
The start of the video is pretty real, I didn't know what Pokemon Uranium even was, until nintendo C&D'd them, so I looked for a mirror link.
I hope you were able to experience it @lucasLSD! So much fan creativity and passion went into making it, and I hope that Nintendo can ease up the reigns on their takedowns someday.
Thank you for checking out the video--I really appreciate you!
Nintendo’s most dominant platform has been the Nintendo Takedown.
For some reason @FFantaSteve I read your comment as a wrestler move ... "oh my gosh, he's doing the Nintendo Takedown!!" (crowd cheers) 😂
Thank you for checking out the video, I appreciate you!
amazing video and editing, and you dont even have over 1k subscribers?! thats absolutely criminal, your severely underrated!
Thank you so much for the kind words @SunBurntTails - can I also say, your profile icon is *SO* adorable! I love the little crown! 😂
I really appreciate you tuning in-let me know if you have any topics you'd like to see explored in future episodes. You're the best! ❤️
I found out something weird about Japanese copyright law... there is ZERO allowance for fair use in Japanese copyright law. So as far as they're concerned, nothing is fair use.
That's interesting; thank you for sharing those insights @Disthron! I'll do some more research and share anything I find in future episodes. I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge! 👋
Videos like this only prove why Nintendo needs new and perhaps better leadership. The kind that don't treat consumers and fans as just numbers and recognise the passion that some of them have for these franchises they've loved for so many years.
Thank you for the kind words @joshwinnnnnn! I *completely* agree with you; it's a shame that Nintendo has been so reluctant to reflect on their treatment of fans, even all these years later. 😭
Hearing the name “Andrew Spinks” I immediately was like, “THE TERRARIA GUY?” AND I WAS RIGHT!
You know your gaming trivia, @jackbob83! ❤️
Thank you for checking out the video, I really appreciate you!
I think the reason companies take down fan games so often is because this fan made content is almost always better than what is officially offered by such companies, and could just prevent users to spend money on their products for the fact that they could get a better one for free, thus making these companies lose tons of potential money gains.
You got lucky with the algorithm on this one, looking forward to more videos in this series :)
Thank you for the kind words, @thatns4758!
I appreciate you checking out the video! 👋
Man, I clicked on your channel expecting like 200 videos with this just being one small series in all your other stuff, but you've practically just started out! great work, dude, can't wait to see you continue to improve as time goes on.
Thank you so much for the kind words @8bitbunnie936, I really appreciate you ❤️
One area I'm trying to work on is the balance of commentary and comedy .. quite a few folks told me I put WAY too many memes in this one, so I'm going to work on toning it down a little, haha. 😂
If I worked at Nintendo and had my way…
Bowsette would be in smash ultimate.
You have my sword, @HalozillaEX !!! 😂
#BowsetteforUltimate #JusticeforBowsette
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If I had my way shantee and Rayman would be in smash. They are what everyone want in smash. Also godzilla monster of monsters would be on the switch nes emulator(a bug fixed version)
Me as a child: OMG I LOVE NINTENDO AND I LOVE ITS GAMES 🤩
Me today: F*ck Nintendo, I hate you. I still love your games, tho.
Then pirate them
Yuuup, I feel your comment to my core, Zeru. I *love* so many of Nintendo's games, but it's really difficult to watch how they've treated so many of these communities.
big fan of Kaizo Marios, and Nintendo has vehemently gone after everything that rhymes with Mario.
The algorithm gave me this video, went through and watched all the videos you've posted so far. They are fantastic! Excited to see what comes later
Thank you for the kind words Panda Kid! I really appreciate you tuning in. If you have any ideas or topics you'd like to see in future episodes, let me know!!
You are the best!! Have an awesome rest of your week! 🥰
My all-time favorite game is actually a fangame: Sonic Robo Blast 2. Sega has been so incredible to their fans over the years because they KNOW that the thousands of fangames, romhacks, mods, animations, music remixes, etc do nothing but HELP the franchise succeed. Whenever the official sonic games lacked in quality, the fans would step up and make things that they wanted to see.
Sega saw that and didn't JUST actively choose to let all of it continue, they also HIRED some of the most prevalent creators in the community to work on the series officially. Tyson Hesse, Tee Lopes, Christian Whitehead, Simon Thomley, Ian Flynn, all of these people were major figures in the sonic community. ALL of them have worked on the official games in one way or another. (hell, Sonic Mania, Sonic 1 HD, CD HD 2 HD, 3 HD and Superstars literally would not exist without them.)
No company is your friend, but some are better than others, and Sega is among the best in terms of how they treat their community.
It breaks my heart to see the passion and love people have for nintendo's franchises and the hard work they put in just be completely disregarded by the company.
This is in no way me trying to defend Nintendo, it's just something that might offer a... explanation to their behavior. I have a feeling this originates out of paranoia of losing control. Because that almost happened to them with Sony, when they were originally working on the Playstation together. I recommend watching the video "Nintendo was right to backstab Sony over the PlayStation".
Again, not a defence. Just a possible explanation as to why they're so overly hostile.
Thank you for the insights @krumz90, I'll check it out!! I put my hands up when it comes to a lot of the legal jargon, but I'm really glad there are other channels out there that cover it more closely / with more expertise.
Likewise, thank you for sharing your knowledge and for the recommendation. You're the best, Krumz! 👋
Hilariously whenever Nintendo strikes down something that fan game still remains on the internet forever, btw I've sent you something on your community post as well
Keep in mind, I still despise their DMCA legal team and weird business decisions, but the problem is when you blame the company as a whole, You're dragging in its developers and employees considering the fact they have nothing to do with the DMCA decisions.
Another thing is some of those developers/ voice actors do go to Comic-Con conventions and see fans as well.
Howdy @M64bros - thank you for checking the video out, and for sharing your feedback!
That's a great call out regarding the company-I should definitely do a better job of making it clear that I'm not throwing shade at their developers, composers, etc.
Will be more mindful in the future on this one; thank you kindly for letting me know!
@@NotYourFriend-YT My pleasure and understood
@@NotYourFriend-YT Lastly, I've also subscribed to you as well!
I can also give you shout outs as well 👍🏻
@@NotYourFriend-YT Corporate is ALWAYS the big issue here.
PM was a banned term in the sm4sh miiverse channel, just a blanket ban. many kids found out that you could not talk about post meridiem time on miiverse the hard way
I didn't know that, that's wild to hear @Cmanorange - thank you for sharing! The next episode (on Sunday) actually features the Miiverse. I'll include a mention of that in the description / pinned comment.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge! 👋
Your comments got deleted simply from having the word "mod" in them.
Real OG's remember Viacom takedowns
rip RHDN you have brought us years of enjoyable, interesting, and awesome mods. you will be missed dearly.
100% agree @rabbitblitzsgames6865 -- it has been a pillar of the fan games community for such a long time; I hope that other libraries will rise to takes its place.
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What these guys are doing is actually promoting Nintendo’s brand in their own way. I don’t think they are damaging anything from what I can tell.
I completely agree @davidolukotun2870 - these fan games are *celebrating* those brands and characters, and it's a shame that Nintendo doesn't see it that way.
Thank you so much for checking the video out. I really appreciate you! ❤️
@@NotYourFriend-YT That’s the thing, you see. Nintendo is just too out of touch in this day and age. It is high time that they put their stringency aside and view those games for themselves for they truly are. Art and darn good masterpieces at that as well! If I was the current CEO of Nintendo, I order my men to find the person who made that fan game, bring him/her here and tell them that I want them to turn that fan project into a game, and that I will heavily promote it. Thus not only strengthening the brand, but also the company closer to its fan base. And occasionally, we might the same thing SEGA had done with Sonic Mania, albeit with better pay and resources to make the best game that project can be! What do you think of this idea, eh? Is it not great!?
Why wont they team with the developers to make EVEN BETTER mario or pokemon games instead of DMCA'ing their games..?
Not like they don't have 11 billion in cash to burn. USD equivalent, not yen.
Because their entire identity requires complete control over their IP in turn making it impossible for people to say "We can fix it." or "It could be better."
They have even targeted children with MTX heavy games yet are family friendly?
Nintendo's true identity would cause a massive fallout especially if fans could do better with ease and consistently. For example, think of what would happen to a more spiteful Sega if fans do almost everything better for free. It would be the death of Sega, or in Nintendo's case likely their own death if not massive loss.
@@cosmicskydragon333 if these fans can make better games than Nintendo, then they don't need the the Nintendo IPs to do it.
I ain't a developer, but from what I can see these fan developed games aren't a great resume builder. Sega Sammy likes to cheap out wherever they can, whereas Nintendo I'm guessing simply hires experienced professionals or outsources to experienced studios. Also, sending job offers to fan developers is likely frowned upon by the gaming industry as a whole, especially with its universal disdain towards pirating software and hacking.
Plus the main teams working on the main Nintendo games tend to all be located in Japan. In the same building, speaking the same language.
Seriously, Nintendo games have been getting stale, giving the fans the reins gives 2 things:
1. Easy ideas for future Nintendo products
2. Games that can fill out content droughts
This reminds of a story from 2 years ago. SEGA issued a DMCA copyright to a Sonic game on Roblox. However, they did so because the creator of the game was a creep, and Roblox moderation didn't do anything about it. At most, he was banned for 3 days, but Roblox did nothing. So, seeing that a PeD0 was being tied to the Sonic name and Roblox's refusal to punish him for his deeds, SEGA stepped in and gave him a DMCA as a last resort of sorts to hopefully get him banned off Roblox.
Tbh, a W move by SEGA.
Thank you for sharing that info @Neo_Turbo, I hadn't heard about that fan game. Good move on Sega's part to protect kids / the community! 👏
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I thought I was watching someone with like 100k subscribers. You’re so underrated, you deserve way more than 1.59k.
Also, to think that one of my favorite games ever, Terraria, almost never happened is pretty crazy, to say the least. It’s a good thing that it ain’t our timeline!
Thank you so much for the kind words @blixten635real, I can't tell you how much it means to me as a new channel ❤️
And yeah, I'm grateful that we're in the timeline that has Terraria! Thank goodness, it's a special game and more people should play it!!
@@NotYourFriend-YT I wish the best for you and your channel ❤️
You’ve already managed to get 100k on this video, keep going with your, funny, entertaining and high-quality videos and you’ll reach 100k subscribers! I don’t know what else to say, you’re great!
Here from pyro's react. amazing content.
I can't WAIT for the smash episode, please do the scene justice.
Hi, Smash player here. The war against the big N still continues.
Thank you for checking out the video Flame, I know how you feel!! (I'm a Melee player myself, and I *LOVE* watching hype tournaments.) ❤️
This is a great example why intellectual property shouldn’t exist
24:55 From what I've heard TH-cam actually changed it so if you get a bunch of DMCA claims from one source it counts as one strike. Probably to tone down abuse of the system. It's still abject lip service of course but at least one claimant can not threaten your channel. (I mean they technically could and people abusing the system to harass people would use this method but I'm not going to mention how, don't want to give anyone ideas)
That's good to know @mattwo7, I wasn't aware of that! Thank you for checking out the video, and for sharing that info about strikes! 👋
Dude's petter from deadpool, ngl
Keep up the good work, loved the video!
Haha, thanks @nekochristmas! I've been getting that one a lot. Glad you enjoyed the video. Thank you for the comment and for being a friend!
Nintendo hasn’t sent a DMCA for it yet, but look into Star Fox: Event Horizon. A single person has been working on it for ten years and it has multiple of the original voice actors in it.
Oh what! That sounds *incredible* @TheAmazingTachan -- thank you for sharing it, I'll check it out!! It's incredible how much passion and creativity fans bring to those creations. ❤️
@@NotYourFriend-YT It really is. I played it on stream about two months ago on my Twitch and it’s pretty frequently updated.
This sounds insanely cool for a fan game. Are the original voice actors doing new lines for the game or is it reused lines
@@SkyfuWaifu New lines! He has a Patreon people can pledge to so he can pay proper VAs.
@@TheAmazingTachan that is impressive what is the starfox game on?