ROGUE ONE RUINED / FIXED STORMTROOPER HELMETS, How Disney Changed The Stormtrooper Helmet Forever
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- In this video I explain of Disney has changed the Stormtrooper helmet forever, for better or worse. I also go over the changes in the Stormtrooper helmets in A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, Rogue One, Solo, The Mandalorian, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Andor.
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00:00 How Disney Changed The Stormtrooper Helmet Forever
00:19 Black Series Rogue One Stormtrooper Helmet
00:51 Original A New Hope Stormtrooper Helmets
01:12 Changes in the Original Trilogy Stormtrooper Helmet
01:35 How the Rogue One Stormtrooper Helmet was made
03:00 Changes between Rogue One and A New Hope Stormtrooper Helmets
05:03 Screws in the side of the Stormtrooper Helmet
05:23 Solo a Star Wars Story Stormtrooper
05:58 The Mandalorian Stormtrooper
07:32 501st Legion in the Mandalorian
07:46 Obi-Wan Kenobi Stormtroopers
08:16 Andor Stormtroopers
08:26 Did Rogue One ruin the stormtrooper helmet?
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I definitely prefer the new Disney helmets. Imo the wonkiness of the helmets in the original movies was not an intentional decision and instead simply a necessary result of the low budget and technological restrictions. The Rouge One helmets are what the stormtrooper helmets were always meant to be.
I agree!
Well said 👍
I completely agree. The difference in colour on the frown is probably not even an artistic choice and it was just easier to paint them in black so I don't care about his Mandalorian comments even though he is technically correct.
Original helmets looks like trash compared to Rouge One.
I think the reason why we never see those black frowns again is because the black frowns are seen as errors, which is exactly what they are in my opinion. Errors. Along with those other wonky helmets we've seen the OT. The behind the scenes team(s) just didn't want to use things that seem like mistakes
That’s a good point!
@@weirdpigeonproductions thanks 👍 although it would've been nice to see those imperfect OT helmets on the Mandalorian. Would've had a bit more consistency
I really love the new helmets. They also look (although I could be wrong) a little bit smaller and tighter fitting to the head of the wearer. I think this is a huge improvement. The OT helmets were so big that you would regularly see troopers turning their entire body to look at something instead of just their head, because the chin piece was just too big and would hit the wearer’s shoulders if they tired their head. Awesome video!
Thank you!
The visibility is the same if not better in the OT helmets since the eye sockets are a bit bigger. The main reason for troopers turning their heads a lot is the reverse of what one might think. The visibility horizontally is good, so you usually don't have to turn your head that much. Since the trooper's eyes are just black holes in the face, they needed to turn their heads a lot to convey to the camera what they were actually looking at. And also, the helmet would more hit the chest rather than the shoulder since the chin is the lowest part of the helmet!
They definitely fixed the helmets tbh. It makes more sense that the helmets would be perfectly symmetrical and identical between the troopers because they’re supposed to be mass produced on a large scale. While the original helmets are without a doubt iconic and cool, the new helmets just do the job better.
Totally agree
*The helmets thing always annoyed me since I was a kid, I thought the ones from ANH and ESB were just messy from battle damage and ignored it but the ones from ROTJ did bother me a bit. I really like the Stormtrooper and Clone helmets that Disney uses right now.*
They really have perfected them!
In-universe, I think the "intention" was to always have Stormtroopers be identical, symmetrically-helmeted, etc - as a further indication of the precision, sterility, and anonymity of Imperial troopers; it was just a question of the limitations of the manufacturing processes of the 70s and 80s that led to the unique variants (the production of RotJ troopers was a complete mess in particular). So I'm not personally bothered by the influx of "idealized" perfect trooper armor now popping up in every Disney production - to me, it's as intended in-universe.
I 100% agree! Modern technology is now at the point we can make this stuff the way it was originally intended for sure!
but the devs over at dice actually took note of the variants, and appropriately used the different helmets for different maps depending on the time frame
@@senorspook6279 look at the stormtrooper helmets for scarif, deathstar and sandtroopers in battlefront 1 and compare them to maps like endor and sullust
Even though I don't like a lot of the Disney era content, it's good to see that they've still done some good work behind the scenes. I also agree with your idea of having all 3 OT helmet types appearing in Mando
Yea
Thanks! To me it fits better in universe, and although the have ANH helmets it would make way more sense to see the other too.
Also, I checked out your Phantom Menace review. Very well thought out and thorough! Loved all the connections to real world politics and commerce. Just shows how much thought Lucas put into the world building if this film. Also, liked how you debunked a lot of the classic negative reviews! Great job!
@@weirdpigeonproductions Thank you so much! I'm working on one for AOTC and it's close to being done. There'll eventually be one for each of the Lucas era films and then I'll do some other films before returning to the Disney era. I'm doing the Disney era later because I'd rather have more positive reviews than negative ones but a TLJ review would be interesting for me because I feel that it's been unfairly criticised and needs some defence despite me not being a fan of the film
@@JihadiFemboy please let me know when you have these done!
@@weirdpigeonproductions I'll make sure to do so. Also keep up the good work, your videos are great!
Tbh, I don’t think it’s a lore change but rather just updated armor to use for shows and movies. Like don’t get me wrong I love the originals but do you really think Disney is gonna use a bunch of wonky looking helmets? We see countless times in Star Wars where they change the look of something just because it’s modern. Another way to look at it is just difference between sources. Stormtroopers at the end of Clone wars and Rebels look nothing alike but it’s not a lore change in their helmet.
yeah it wouldn't make any sense to have a weird black frown for some of the helmets. just makes it more uniform and makes more sense to use the same helmet
I like the new ones, it matches the Empires style of pushing out equipment that came off of a production line
Same here! Seems more like the empire
I really love the new design, not only the helmet but the armor redesign just adapts the stormies to a more believable futuristic approach, also I do t think they take as canon the differences between helms.
The new helmets are how I always wished they were. Especially the straight unibrow strap. It makes them look more menacing, even if they're total pushovers now.
They do look more like a threat but act like even worse canon fodder
Just thought I'd add some corrections:
* Lucasfilm already knew about the imperfections and the state of the few ANH helmets they do have in their archive.
* The ANH Stunt helmets were held together by 3 flathead screws and the ANH Hero helmets were held together by 2.
* The majority of the ANH helmets were not ABS since only the ANH Hero helmets (6 produced in total) were made out of ABS, but all the ANH Stunt helmets (50 produced) was made out of polypropylene (often mistaken for being made out of HDPE), the armors however were made out of ABS.
* The fact that they have added a mesh behind the teeth in the Rogue One helmets "so that the wearer can breathe through the helmet" is a false statement. Adding mesh acually makes it worse and fog up even more since having mesh disrupts the flow of air. The ANH helmets didn't have anything between the teeth so the air could flow straight through the gaps instead. Having nothing between the teeth doesn't prevent the helmet fogging up however as it still happens to almost everyone, and is usually solved by using anti fog spray on the inside of the lenses or by installing fans inside the helmet to name a few. We usually add mesh to help in obscuring the wearers face a bit more and that is the main reason it is there.
* The brows were unique on all the Original Trilogy helmets partly because of the material used (Stunt helmets) and partly because it was held together by screws (the ROTJ helmets were glued and not screwed) and made by hand - and under a fast pace, making every helmet unique.
* What you refer to as "ends of the respirators" are called mic tips, and they have always been a separate piece. It is only the vocoder (the black detail in the middle of the two mic tips) that is changed to now be a separate piece on the Rogue One helmets.
Thank you for the video! Great job! ☺
@Orb Yo Orb! I'm not following the context of your comment. What do you mean that the Master Replica/EFX is "actually" a collectible? 🙂
Lots of helmets are collectibles, if you want a screen accurate ANH one you'd want to look at RS Prop Masters
@@TK23592 You are right, RS Propmasters are purists and their helmets are taken from originals and made exactly like the one's in the original trilogy, i bought a ANH hero helmet from them and it's superb.
To me, in-story all these versions existed by the time of R1/ANH , we just saw certain parts of the Empire have variations as there are so many all over the galaxy. There are real world examples of this in military equipment & gear. Truth is most people probably see most Stormtrooper helmets as looking the same. Anyone could get OCD about this stuff, but not a hill I wanna die on.
I agree!
That’s something I hadn’t really thought of, but it makes perfect sense!
As a SW fan myself I never knew so much about Stormtrooper helmets as much as I do now and that's thanks to your videos. Great work man.
Glad you enjoyed them, I have some more to come.
I could watch this stuff all day. Absolutely great video. Boba and Darth costumes have a similar progression.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks!
I like the new ones, they have some uniformity to them so that's great.
The classics fit very well in the OT though, that style speaks to the era in the universe and ours.
Gotta say the Mimban stormtroopers from Solo look a lot more like OT troopers, might be that cap on the forehead they have but the mouth piece also looks bigger.
I do feel like the new ones fit the universe better. Also, I’ll have to look into the mimban stormtrooper, the helmets do look more ANH stunt-ish. Great catch!
The comparisons are down to if you prefer the actual movie prop helmets of the original trilogy or the modern interpretation, they were originally just movie props and not meant to be over analysed. As a kid in 1977 watching ANH at the cinema the stormtroopers were like nothing i'd ever seen and their armour and helmets were incredible looking so to bemoan their appearance decades later and to compare them to the later Disney offerings is somewhat irrelevant considering without them the lineage that Disney draws on to "improve" the helmet would be non existent .
Love these vids, def a fan of the updated helmet, tho they all have their charm. I'm stoked to finally see decent looking helmet sculpts on the action figures.
Same here
@@weirdpigeonproductions and your trooper helmet vids have given me a way
better idea of what the figure's sculptors used as reference
If you want ANH helmet with has been cast and hand painted then head to RS Propmasters.
They own an original screen used full set of armour.
They are great. Had no idea the ROTJ had black frowns.
The canonical reason for why luke couldn’t see is that they didn’t have the helmet activation code to activate the heads up display
Never heard that before, makes perfect sense though!
@@weirdpigeonproductions yeah I seen it in this loremaster video
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But it makes sense since stormtroopers are supposed to have an advanced heads up display
I like the new helmets but love the wonkyness of the originals. They have done a great job with the new design. 👏
I definitely prefer the new style. I really want to join the 501st, and I want to build the modern Imperial armor as my build, but I literally can't find anyone that sells screen accurate molds. Disney must have them under lock and key.
@Orb Yeah, but unfortunately BF2 Stormtroopers are based on the goofy ROTJ ones 😔
I like your ideas about deadstock use by remnant groups but also how Disney could blend styles for different remnants / pick based on the era
I have a love for the EFX helmet. It's the brow I have the rogue one trooper helmet from hasbro but I like the odd EFX style.
Reusing the Rouge One helmets for the Mandalorian was a good choice because they are better as you have shown. Also Militaries do go back and refit older gear & repurpose it for modern use as it looking like what they Empire did in this case.
Long have I waited
I LOVE rogue one stormtrooper helmets. Gorgeous. I wish lucasfilm sold them they can make a killing. Especially from those fans that collect like crazy. In some shots you see in new hope you see the influence from the new hope look to the rogue one. One day I would love to see a 501st clown in stormtrooper armor. One good thing Disney did
I would 100% buy one if they did sell them, it’s a shame they don’t. They could charge a ton and still make a killing! Instead we have an overpriced hotel 😂
@@weirdpigeonproductions yeah they could charge 500$ to 1k for just cheap plastic versions just 100% accurate and I’d still pay. I’m tired of seeing the goofy wonky fan made stormtrooper heads at cons. I want the real thing. That and some fans try to replicate it through 3d sculpting and come up short. It’s either photogrammetry or hire a REALLY skilled 3d modeler. I once paid 2k for a commissioned one still not accurate enough. If they did they’d probably make 40 mill a month. Or just create a new line with Hasbro and they can make money in a trusted source there.
Thanks for the quick upload, WPP :D
I'm glad you dug into the details regarding the size of the chin, I was actually really curious about that
I've got an RS Propmasters one which is great, but the classic headband misalignment was driving me nuts - going to check out that Black Series helm next :)
The black series isn't as accurate, but for what you pay its not bad. You can go onto plenty of forums and find out how to make it screen accurate and even 501st approved! Glad you liked the vid!
Though I appreciate these videos about the different designs of the stormtrooper armor and helmets, I really couldn’t care less whether the teeth of the frown are black or grey.
it is in fact not symmetrical though if you look closely. The guy that modelled them for the movie Sam Williams also posted some orthos of it on his artstation which really shows it. The bottom half of the eyes curve and the two openings size mainly on the "chin piece" is what differs left and right.
I wish I could get 501st grade death trooper armor but my shadow stormtrooper helmet was mocked by them at the comic con
Would love to see you do a video on the troopers from Ashoka! Great videos!
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Correction, in Kenobi, there are plenty of 501st Legion Club members in the door / bunker scene, so you can even see in some shots people wearing EFX stormtrooper helmets which were popular within the club in the 2010-2015 period.
We’ve vacuuformed a couple TK helmets at work, it’s interesting how many variants there are just in the fan community. Also, the Black Series Stormtrooper runs the tiniest bit tight in my opinion
Its not really a "lore change" to have variations in uniforms when its a galaxy spanning empire, and the IRL reasons for the change could also be justifiably used for the in work reasons too: old&new designs, different design teams/companies/locations, etc etc.
That’s a pretty good point!
I love the new helmets but I prefer the old style body armor a new hope/ empire strikes back more. It just looks better to me
I quite like the "newer" design.
I don't mind the reuse in Mando, as the black frown was probably not meant as an upgrade or something, just a variant
Nice interesting vid. The new helmet looks way better.
Next vid: Stormtrooper crotch armour ruined/fixed by Disney.🤯
For the sake of the consistency of a large and well-equipped military force, I prefer the Disney version.
Great analysis! I would really enjoy a video about the differences between all the Darth Vader helmets from Episodes 3 through 6, Rouge One, and the Obi-Wan Kenobi show.
Eventually I plan on doing a video on that too!
If you take a second look at the imperial remnant helmets in the Mandalorian they are slightly redesigned they are slightly larger and the frowns are longer, maybe a little bit taller. Throughout the Mandalorian season two they go back-and-forth and using the updated remnant helmet and the rogue one helmet you can see it quite prominently in the scene in season two where Bo Katan and her mandos are storming the imperial freight ship
Stormtrooper helmets and Sandtrooper helmets are different that’s why the brow is higher on the Sandtrooper also the markings in the Sandtrooper are different than the reg TK (Stormtrooper)
Guess I'm more of a purist. I don't like the Disney-fied armor very much, aside from the material being more durable for stunts, etc.. To me it looks janky and shoddy in the way it hangs on the body (the weird groin armor in particular), despite the finer details closeup that the audience won't really notice, the little bits I mean. You can see it for yourself by comparing the armored troopers side-by-side, OT vs Rogue One. The way the chest plate is shaped near the shoulders, there's a bigger gap there, the chest plate itself is smaller. Though with high definition the engraved sharp details it does make some sense, like if you have the money to do that I guess why not right?
And these helmets are nowhere near as imposing either. Those tiny mouths, the soft rounded corners of the eyes. That's a pass for me dawg. Since the original was sculpted by hand it has more personality, an almost biological impression, a creature-like alien head. The asymmetry also lends the impression of twisted evil, especially the uneven eyes. Like they're real eyes but one is squinting a little more. One thing to note about the arched Sandtrooper brows is that this was a deliberate design choice, to lend a sense of some wear and tear, and to set them apart from the other troops. It wasn't a mistake at all. Lucas himself probably looked at it and wanted more wear and tear, long confirmed that Lucas was all about making the universe look worn down and scuffed, not clean. That extended to rebel starfighters, Millenium falcon, as well.
The mouth is much daintier on Disney helmets too, aside from the 'Hero' variant original helmet. It's not threatening, the mouths on the Clone helmets weren't very threatening either because that wasn't the intent... but the Empire essentially is the Republic that became twisted, so it makes thematic sense that the slick stylized Clone helmet mouths would likewise become twisted. However, I agree these new helmets are better than ROTJ helmets. They messed up big time on those molds. If you look closely in the movie there's one troop who's leading Han and rebels out of the bunker after they've been captured and it is soooo messed up. The eyes are really warped. At least ROTJ gave us the biker scouts. Those guys are too cool.
I don't mind the blackened frown on the ESB troops, like it's a small alteration the Empire went with, of course the real reason is that Kirschner probably felt it photographed better. All that said I really like the new Imperial troopers Disney has come up with. Shoretroopers, Deathtroopers, new combat pilots, etc. They're all cool.
I think they standardized them. ANH has two variants as you mentioned, as well as two others in ESB and ROTJ, I think this makes everything more uniformed. I do admit ESB is probably my favorite helmet but I do like that the empire actually has some uniformity to it now.
Although the ESB helmet isn’t my favorite, I do think the black frown looks more uniform with the rest of the armor.
IN MY OPINION, the ANH stormtrooper helmets are neat, adn the RO helmets were an total upgrade, i would say they are the "Definitive Edition" of the Stormtrooper Helmets.
Totally agree
I like the new helmet designs, but Canon is subjective with how Disney has approached the Star Wars universe.
I like the Original and the Rogue one helmets and thank you for sharing
Thanks for the comment!
In my opinion it's good that they uniformed all helmets
I like improved version better. Way more practical.
I'm very positive that we are supposed to imagine the ST helmets in Solo, Rogue One, ANH, ESB, ROTJ, and Mandalorian are ALL exactly the same model - and any detail variations are just chalked up to wear, lighting, etc. In no way do I believe for one second that these are meant to be different stages or versions, as for example, between the Clone Trooper armor in ep 2 vs ep 3.
Very good video
I mean I think the weird helmets in rotj was just poor quality visual effects. We don't expect them to do worse CGI so that it looks more like how those characters looked in the original and prequel trilogies, so why expect them to do it for practical effects? I think it makes more sense that stormtroopers have uniform helmets.
The new helmets are rockin, I'm not upset they're using those rogue one helmets for everything - painting the frown all black is just lazy - More detailed is far better!
They are beautiful. One good thing Disney did. Well that and the vader redesign. Maybe some ships too. Like Star destroyer. Maybe they had redesigned the Death Star too
Well the difference in helmet design wouldn’t really be canonical so in universe there’ll be no difference between each armour
Fascinating
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I hate the RotJ Stormtrooper helmets simply because of the much wider solid black frown that looks like they took a blackened banana and just slapped it on there. The visible partitions look so much better. The ANH "Hero" helmets are my favorite type.
3:19 man look how different these two helmets look
I don't think the helmets are meant to be different in universe, so it would be jaring to see different types next to each other
I'd hate to nitpick these details personally and just chalk it up to costuming discrepancies not meant to be focused on--even though Star Wars loves for fans with eagle eyes to notice subtle changes or details. I like to think that Rogue One helmets and armor would be the new gold standard since they ironed out the process with modern manufacturing methods that weren't available in the late 70s-80s during Original Trilogy.
ANH had the best stormtrooper design in the OT
At 1.50 there seems to be another design, only just in shot to the right .?
The remnant storm trooper helmet in the mandalorian seems like a weathered anovos storm trooper helmet to me but i can't find any discussions about it online. if you take a look at hot toys remnant storm trooper figure you can see that they reused the rogue one design which looks very different compared to remnants in the series. they look similar to the anh esb stunt helmets while looking distinguishable.
I like the older ones better but the new ones better fit the uniform sleek empire look
I prefer the old helmets. The Remnant are the wonky ANH helmets tho. Also, every time you look at soldiers from any era, everyone looks a bit different regardless of wearing the same gear. How they wear the helmet, where they place the straps, camo etc etc. In ANH, the helmets looked lived in and just have more character. Of course this is such a minute detail.
They’re supposed to be advanced marine equipment so why would they look so wonky?
How did they make the Rogue One Helmet? DId they scan the most symmetrical helmet and then blend the left and the right helmet together to get the symmetrical helmet?
I hope you would be able to answer this question
Honestly, the ROTJ and ESB helmets feel like mistakes rather than canon ones. A lot of the molds for the ESB ones collapsed during the molding process, and the ROTJ ones seemed more of a rushed, inconsistent job.
Personally I like all of the decisions they made. It's the perfect helmet now!
I wouldn't say the O.G helmets were made with love and care, they were made as cheap and as fast as possible (they did the best they could at the time) and probably made by several different workshops which is likely why there are differences and mistakes. The disney version makes more sense because the troopers are supposed to all look identical and "pristine" which fits in with the mentality of the Empire. (Also if they were wonky looking then people that are not O.G trilogy fans would think it was just a badly made helmet and complain/return the helmet) If you consider some Military units in our world allow some personal modifications or upgrades to helmets provided they don't compromise the function but in the Empire and first order the only differences are between specialised units like artillery, Military police, flame units etc and as for the 501st having O.G looking helmets, it is likely they are made from a copy of a screen used helmet blank rather than intentionally changed to look wonky
I dont think they ever intended the helmets to change , the fully black mouth is just them cheaping out when making em , prob quickly repainting them
While I concede that they are better made now, I still prefer the look of the hero helmet from 77. Something looks off about the eyes on the new ones.
There is a sorta charm to the originals that I feel is lost with these newer designs. Thanks for the comment!
Disney made them better the black frown was never supposed to be there the helmets were just old and the return of the Jedi helmets are really cheaply made so the look weird
Sculpting the details is actually logical and right thing to do. If they had technology and money to do it bac in NH time, they would. I find it weird when cosplayers try to replicate quite cheaply made NH props.
What about the helmets in Star Wars Underground
They include those arrogant 501 members in the filming because they are obsessive nearly perfect armor wearers and they are free. They aren't supposed to be paid for "trooping" so there you go, saving money all the way.
I’m making a screen accurate rogue one stormtrooper rn…… it’s a lot of work.
I can’t even imagine, you have more skill and patience than me. Would love to see it when it’s done!
I have to correct something "handmade mold out of clay" is not correct. the sculpt is made of clay, yes, and used to create the mold, but the mold is not clay. that would a terrible idea for vacuum forming - and the majority of the helmets weren't ABS but hdpe
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rouge one is perfektion, even tho i have nastalgia for the ot helmets
Honestly, I prefer the curved brows. I don't like the look of the perfectly straight brows. Looks a little strange.
Why do the First Order stormtrooper outfits look so stocky and poorly fitted compared to the OT era stormtroopers?
I’m not quite sure. The armor by design doesn’t look nearly as form fitting as clone and stormtrooper armor. It feels more like you are wearing a barrel over your torso than some kind of chest plate that’s reminiscent of Ancient Rome.
I guess you missed the memo…Disney said around the time Rogue One was released that this would be the ONLY stormtrooper helmet design they were going forward with on ALL projects set during the Galactic Civil War. So, no you won’t see ESB and RotJ helmets in upcoming seasons of Mandalorian. Or anything else new for that matter.
The return of the jedi helmets are probably just supposed to look like the ones from the other movies so stuff like the black mouths are probably not "canon".
A true/ nerd will see this in detail. But for an average people seeing this as an entertainment movie...no.
I think I still like the look of the ESB helmet and ANH stunt helmet best. Then comes the RO helmet.
An ESB helmet with the engraving/detailing of a RO helmet would be best imo
I would love to see something like that, I do feel like the ESB helmets look more uniform when compared to ANH helmets.
I shall start by pointing at the fact that Disney did nothing about the artistic department or costumes department.
So, no, Disney didn't fixed or whatever the stormtroopers helmet, only the artistic directing with the costume team did.
Well, the new helmet is meant to be seen in all of the new medias, movies and TV shows because it how it was supposed to look since a new hope.
You explained it yourself, it was originally hand sculpted and vaccum formed.
By the way, the sand troopers helmet, withe raised '' brow'' is an idea of the costumes team chief, he it thought it looked ''cool''.
For the RotJ helmet, they use the old molds from new hope and empire, whereas they were damaged and the thus the goofy look in the last movie.
So no, we're are not supposed to see the return of the jedi stormtrooper helmet style in shape or paint scheme in the Mandalorian, Ahsoka or later stories.
George Lucas said: “There are millions of planets in the Star Wars Universe”. That tells _me_ that entire companies of StormTroopers are likely to have all-black or all-gray frowns on their helmets. Stormtrooper helmets are not a hill that I’m willing to die on.
I'm 48 years old and I never noticed or ever heard about any "different" helmets. This is not something to give a crap about. smh
Yet you clicked and commented. Good job 👏👍👌
The new ones are definitely technically better, but I feel like the old ones add a bit more character- like they've been used and each of them have their own characteristics. It also pushes the idea that the empire chooses quantity over quality as was explored in the bad batch with them phasing out the clones.
I prefer the new Rogue One helmet. They've merged all the helmets into one, into a new canon design.
Also, why do you want the Mandalorian Stormtroopers to have black frowns?.Surely in this modern age you should be looking to create consistency through having a new design fit all potential time periods, than be a stickler for the behind the scenes differences in prop making techniques.
Your take about using different style helmets is baffling to me. I guess it's different levels of suspension of disbelief, because when I see slight differences in design, like small differences in placement or colour, that's just a slight inconsistency. It's not a meaningful difference in design.
I always see visual fiction as a sort of 'representation' of actual events (even though its fiction). So small changes in design are simply that of production technique.
And to say that you miss the charm of the traditionally made helmets is valid, but I don't think it's a valid complaint about using modern production techniques to achieve better results. The only reason you likely find the old helmets charming is because they are old and you aren't judging them as a new product. The context of the old films has changed with time. If I saw a wonky ass helmet in the new ones, sure I'd find it 'charming', but its not authentic.
I find it weird that we never got an in-universe explanation for the difference of the helmet designs. I wish we did, because that would force them to think more deeply about which design to use when. For example, in the new Battlefront games, we always get the ROTJ style helmet except for sandtroopers, who use a semi stunt helmet design. If we had an in-universe explanation, then they would have to vary the helmet design depending on the map.
Yeah, it’s surprising to me that we haven’t gotten an explanation in a novel, visual dictionary, or sourcebook. It would certainly add more to the universe and, like you said, force people to think about which helmets they use and when
I think it's pedantic as hell to do that.
I guess evolution is a downer
Even I find this to be oddly pedantic
Theres the original trilogy then theres the disney fan fiction...its the ot or nothing for me.
Oh shut up and grow up
What is "A New Hope"?
Do you mean STAR WARS?
Oh shut up
@@omarbaba9892 No need to get salty ducky xxx
STAR WARS 1977.
@@MarkHarvey-uh8oc said the one feigning ignorance
You one of those old men who saw the first movie once when it came out?
@@omarbaba9892 When it came out, it was called STAR WARS baba.
I am 57, if that is old. lucky enough to be there to witness this amazing film in all its glory. Untarnished by the modern crap.
And when I saw it first, it was called STAR WARS. All my books, figures, and toys only had STAR WARS on them, baba.
I watch it now and it is still called STAR WARS.
@@MarkHarvey-uh8octhe franchise is called that, A new hope used to be called just Star Wars but isn’t anymore and has been called a new hope way longer then it was just called Star Wars
Plus rouge one isn't canon, can't be unless they say attack of the clones is not canon for those who can remember, the Geonosians are the one who designed it NOT THE EMPIRE!
Bruh you id*ot the geonosis mans built the first parts of the Death Star till the empire moved it away from geonosis and committed genocide against the entire species. Also by your logic that scene at the end of revenge of the sith can’t be canon either
Plus the geonosian’s and the republic designed the Death Star so there it both works out🤦♂️
They designed it, even Count Dooku states it as the "Plans" for the Deathstar, then he took it back to Palpitate and after al the nonsense happened they got director homie to build it, they were the original designers of the death star, they somehow knew the future creation of the Empire was horrible so they put the flaw in the plans not some stupid imperial architect
Read more into it kid
@@krimsonkiller2.078 yes they designed it but when they “stole” the plans for geonosis palpatine took it to the best engineers in the republic like people like Krennic and Galen Erso
@@krimsonkiller2.078 it’s also stated on the death stars wookiepedia page that the geonosians hadn’t fully designed the main weapon
Dude it’s a movie who cares at the end of the day rogue helmets are better.