Fun Fact: Jango Fett has more screentime than Capitain Phasma. He only appeared in one movie. And no, I'm not counting his clones or Boba Fett. I'm only counting Jango.
@@ZuwyFPS I think that is incorrect though. And doing the math, my number is incorrect, too. There are typically 23 minutes per episode, and 133 episodes total. That totals to around 51 hours.
This is why I liked Rogue One. By adding lots of heroes, and killing them off as they went for their objective, it made the stormtroopers more formidable. A concept used in 7 Samurai, dirty dozen
What bothers me most with Mandalorian, the Stormtroopers act and fight like a bunch of untrained recruits. They can't hit anything with their blasters. Tactical competence is zero, no fire and manoeuvre. No fire teams, no adequate leaders. Only leadership the NCOs or Officers provide during the battle, are the hand signs to go forward. It seems the Stormtrooper's helmets are lacking communication, sensors and everything.
Still though the Stormtroopers in Rogue One are nerfed a bit compared to the lore standards. Even the Death Troopers get taken out by one guy with a giant gun :/, should be the other way around
@@travispotthoff6131 None of the clones we safe in TCW except Cody and you could assume they weren't going to kill Rex. That was the best part about them. You loved and cared for them and you truly didn't know when you would lose another one. I think more named clones died than survived when you really think about it. Boil, Kix, Fox, Wolffe, and Doom all survived. Echo survived, but he was presumed dead for 3 seasons. Aside from that only a few single episode clones survived like Gregor and Monk.
Clone Wars had a good balance of comic relief and danger when it came to the droids, we understood that while they are dumb individually they were extremely effective in large battles. This allowed them to have huge battles that the Republic barely wins or horrifically loses, while having small droid patrols for comic relief at times.
yeah, in one episode you have "that was a horrible shot!" "it's my programming" and in another you have dozens of clones and jedi being slaughtered by the hordes of droids that was a good balance, specially since it wasn't a 50/50 thing, it was a 80/20 (derp moments being a minority)
It's honestly pretty grim how Finn shows us that stormtroopers are humans too and how he mourned his fallen comrade in the opening sequence of Force Awakens... only for him to gun down dozens of them and then go WOO YEAH LET'S GOOOOOO basically
The Clone Wars humanizing the troopers is WHY THE SERIES WORKS SO WELL. It's great. People have favorite clones. Why? Because despite the fact that they look and sound the same, they are written to be different people.
Well they don’t really sound the same There is a fair bit of variation in their inflections, tones and volume that makes them rather recognisable and shows sone personality
Using the clones against storm troopers is a bad comparison. The idea was even though the clones had something that set each other apart, they were the same. Storm troopers are a regular army of many different individuals. Now if they did wanna do the Storm Troopers justice, make a show or movie purely focused on them which I honestly think would be a great idea.
The Clone Wars (2D series) taught me to respect the Hell out of clone troopers. Apparently they become Extremely competent when fighting for the heroes
Nah they just got better training they were trained from birth and a lot of the first batch was even trained by mandalorians some mandalorians even snuck clones out and made them full mandos
Yeah it is the only thing i cared about starwars. It is so weird. One child show is pretty serious. And dozens of movies is pretty childishly disneymade.
Did you know, that there was a scene when Fin actually talked to the stormtroopers, and actually convinced them to turn on Phasma before she gunned them all down, instead that scene was replaced with BB8 hijacking an AT-ST and murdering scores of stormtroopers while Fin fought Phasma.
Murder? Lmao I think you might have went a little overboard there. Its war. It's not murder if someone also has the intention to kill you as well. But yes, you are absolutely right on everything else my guy
@@basic_avarage_person murder is killing someone who doesn't A. Have a weapon. B. Someone who doesn't have the intent to kill. Yes. War is gruesome and very bloody. Death happens but it isn't murder if both sides are trying to kill each other. Understand this please
Adding onto this, we never even saw stormtroopers until "The Eye," and even then, they were in the background of a wide shot that focused on the TIE Fighters; we didn't see them up close until "Announcement," and the first time they get killed is in "Daughter of Ferrix," the first season's penultimate episode.
An easy way to solve the invincibility of Beskar armour, would be to have it heat up slightly with each hit. One or two shots isn't going to matter, but 20-30 with no time to cool down in between each one would cook him like a lobster.
I think the dark saber heated the beskar spear in moff gideons and mandos battle and strong snipers do send Mando flying I also much prefer fallen orders stormtroopers because they genuinely have conversations when they haven’t detected you yet like getting frustrated scared confident and when they see they’re troops die they get scared or self confident
Yeah! I've heard a suggestion somewhere of the shots still leaving kinetic impact. Even if the blaster bolt is destroyed upon impact, that kinetic energy has to go somewhere, right?
“The war? I cannot find it to be so bad! The death of one man: this is a catastrophe. Hundreds of thousands of deaths: that is a statistic!” -French Joke I.
The problem with stormtroopers now is basically the same as with droids in the 2008 animated series. Disney is just too scared of ruining their family image to put protagonists in any real danger.
Not really they killed a lot of clones and droids some unnamed Jedi and the living embodiment of the word bastard (pong krell) Fives might be the more recurring character to have been killed off but even then he was definitely a supporting character unlike Rex or ahsoka who lived past rebels
They prevented the main characters from dying since they were going to be in Revenge of the Sith, but Clone Wars has never held back on violent and gruesome themes. For fucks sake, someone is tortured to death in the first episode of season 2.
@@bruh-xb2uy No. They were even afraid to let Grievous kill Eeth Koth even though he doesn’t appear in EPIII, and nobody fell to swarms of droids like the actual war except one random Jedi character who was literally created to die (Ima-Gun-Di).
19:50 the part that really kills me is that they did Troopers killing people right not that long ago. Rogue One's entire battle on Scarif is hinged on the troopers being pretty effective overall
I honestly think that Rogue One is the worst example of how to write bad guys. The worst moment being when Jyn grabs a storm trooper's gun and he just falls off a platform to his death. Just because she grabbed his gun too hard.
@@FriendlyCroock not really, its not AS bad as the mandalorian or the book of baba fett. The entire main cast dies because of regular stormtroopers or death troopers. They are competent, can actually aim, and on Jedha were actually scary I don't know what to say about that fall though
@@simpleviewer1334 Scary? Well that's interesting cause they didn't scare me once. In fact I laughed at them a few times. Like when they surrounded that blind guy with guns. Even a little kid would know that if u do that you'll shoot ur own men. Are u telling me they don't have basic military training.
@@simpleviewer1334 Secondly the only evil that the empire does in Rogue One is in the shape of retaliation. The rebels literally do more eviI than the empire does.
@@simpleviewer1334 Another problem is that the rebels in Rogue One have the big empire strikes back and rotj fleet. The rebellion in "a new hope" was supposed to be very small and insignificant. They attacked the death star with x wings hence why Tarkin didn't take them seriously. It's after the empire destroyed Alderaan that more planets joined the rebellion which makes sense.
I felt some empathy towards storm troopers in Jedi: Fallen order, especially when they start motivating themselves that they can go up against a jedi. It's funny, but also kind of humanizing. The empire'll just kill ya if you ran away, and you can either run away, or fight an ginger teenager with telekinesis and a glowstick. What else can you do except try to convince yourself, that if you keep shooting, you might just be able to kill the space wizard with a photon sword
Yea some were cocky some were scared they showed reactions to fellow troopers dying it made me feel bad for killing the ones that were afraid one of the best games I’ve ever played
It occurs to me that rather than using blasters against the mandolorians, paint ball guns would have been more effective as it would have made it difficult for them to see through their visors. In fact, using paintballs against stormtroopers could be an effective moral high ground... they can't see you now because they're covered in paint but at least they're not mercilessly killed!
@@Flan17 Then explain the reactions to them fucking up Finn and Rose, or the blank slate that is Rey, or them telling George Lucas to fuck off and then destroying the story he worked so hard to develop. I respect your opinion I just want to know your thoughts on this
@@meep9231 I understand your anger and I despise the sequels but a lot of the hate is miss placed. They've made mistakes yes but I believe the worst is behind us. Let's take the sequels out of the picture and see what we got. Rogue one, solo, rebels, clone wars s7, two triple A battlefronts, squadrons, Mandalorian, all of the new shows and movies announced, countless comics and books and all of it canonically connected to one universe. To say they ruined star wars is over exaggerating ten fold, they revived star wars from the dead and without Disney there would of been no new star wars because George had no intention of continuing the franchise. Legends was never canon under George and it was a big mess of events. They did fuck him over in the early days but he sold Lucasfilm meaning he had no control anymore so you can't complain he lost power especially after the reason he sold was the hate for prequels (which I love). Not only that but he was on set for a lot of the Mandalorian so Disney saw their mistake and asked for his input again. This fanbase is the most toxic one I think I've ever came across and that truly breaks my heart because I love star wars. We need to stop blindly hating on Disney and start critizing them because they don't respond to hate too well.
@@Flan17 legends was canon, theres loads of references to legends in the films. coruscant is so called cos it was in the thrawn trilogy, aayla secura was a character in atoc cos george liked her look from the dark horse comics. The sith being extinct for a thousand years comes from dark forces two. The idea that legends was inconistent is a complete lie. THe original clone wars timeline was the most consistent thing in legends before 2008 clone wars messed it up. When there was inconsistinses in the old canon they strove to make them fit, such as the clone wars being ten years before it wa suppsoed to be, which was cleared up by saying the noghris calender was different to the standard galatic calender. Star was was not dead before disney. it was doing perfectly fine, by 2018 people were sick of star wars because of how bad disney had treated the franchise.
Or, just throwing it out there. Disney hardly ruined anything. Star Wars isn't that different than when Lucas called the shots. Some Star wars fans just want something to complain about. Even if the problems they are complaining about are hardly problems at all. Again food for thought.🤷
Wouldn't it make more sense have the Imoerial Remnants have EXTREMELY proficient & lethal troopers? Think about it, the Empire's finest troopers have survived the horrors of war after the collapse of the Galactic Empire. Most of the lesser skilled stormtroopers either died or deserted long ago. This leads them to become increasingly desperate and cornered, as resources are thinning out. Because of this, new recruits aren't taken in on a whim, but are subjected to intense basic training using old school methods. Led by veteran stormtroopers & commandos, these trainees are given the opportunity to serve their respective warlords faithfully ( and much more competently). Stormtroopers are even leased out as mercenaries & bounty hunters to raise funds for equipment maintenance & training, while also gaining vital skills.
In my head cannon Gideon and his remnant are the lower quality troops relegated to surviving in dustbin world's on the outer rim patrolled by literally 2 X wings. The real cream of the empires crop are able to maintain a threat level closer to the core world's, thus having more resources and a better chance of actually taking down the new republic.
@Dragon On Coke I think it's the best film or movie that came from Disney so far. I'm an OG so I've been watching since the originals. I've seen all the movies in the original order that they came out.
I will say the Force Awakens actually does this right. The movie opens with the stormtropper murdering an entire town. And later in the film one of the main characters is almost killed by a stormtrooper in a swordfight. And the characters actually had to SNEAK around Starkiller Base and didn't just murder 40 troops at a time. The new trilogy did alot wrong but I think episode 7 did that right.
Ikr, the Jedi kill humans to beat the big bad and when they reach the bad guy they be like “don’t kill him, it’s not the Jedi way”. Wtf? They killed 1000 humans to get a guy and then say that?
I think stormtroopers are pretty cool. I can’t see them as “special” people when I have no emotional attachment to them like my bois, the Clones. I would still prefer to play as Stormtroopers over playing as Rebels or Resistance soldiers in Battlefront.
Stormtroopers when facing any other person: “I could do this all day” Stormtroopers when facing a main/named character: “Please... have mercy, I beg of you!”
But now Andor is here to save the day. The stormtroopers of Andor are an efficient and terrifying fighting force, worthy to be called the Fist of the Empire. This is how I want to see them portrayed going forward.
Andor is far, far, far too little, far too late. TIEs are still worthless despite characters telling us they're deadly, the infamous "just one TIE flying over ordinary people" scene is followed by TIEs missing every volley and crashing into each other, and stormtroopers shoot basic rioters. Yeah, it's over. They will never be as cool to me as they used to be, again.
To be fair, the two scout troopers did manage to kill Kuill and kidnap Grogu, but while that seems like it should show the threat the stormtroopers pose, they make the EXACT SAME stormtroopers not able to shoot a can from 5 feet away. It’s inconsistent.
I think they killed Kuill with a rifles but I don't think they had one but I could think they shot the blasters at gunpoint and the more further the target the more shit the blaster accuracy drops since blasters are shit weapons in general or were poorly manufactured
Wow. They ran down an old man and kidnapped a defenseless child. What an impressive feat from the most elite fighting force in the galaxy since the clones were decomissioned.
Blasters in canon become less accurate the more distance the target is from the plasma projectile, so with those blaster pistols that have super short barrels and are also probably not being maintained properly since the remnant doesn't have as much resources as it needs to keep in top shape, makes the blasters very inaccurate unless you practice a lot with it.
@@TheManBehindTheSlaughter6669 if a GUN can’t land a shot from 5 feet away, then palpatine needs to be removed from office with his terrible choices in who can engineer blasters
@@ic0nic707 you see blasters are different from guns in that they fire high velocity plasma bolts that with more distance become very innacurate, the longer a barrel on a blaster the more stable the bolts path and also high amounts of training with your balster can improve your accuracy a lot. We see that stormtroopers are more accurate than rebels in a lot of star wars media because they are put through a lot of training to better wield blaster weapons.
My biggest problem with "The Mandalorian" was the lack of a sense of danger. Mando is basically invincible, with His Beskar Armor and Spear which can even go toe to toe with a lightsaber
With a lot of the lore for Mandalore (which some is canon still), Mandalorians fought against the Jedi on several occasions. Of course they would try to develop armor that could resist lightsabers.
Storm Troopers weren't just simple foot soldiers! They were an elite force with some really nice gadgets in their helmets that acutally improve their targeting. The imperial army were simple foot soldiers, though, but they are barely shown in the original movies. I think that the only times where you see them is as the drivers of the AT-ST walkers. While they have always been there in the Star Wars roleplaying game starting back in the lake 80s, they have their first real appearance on screen in the Han Solo movie.
Yeah, I guess you could say their the "shock troopers" of the imperial military, but I'd imagine they'd be very good shots, you'd THINK so seeing them for the time. I know I did.
@@LordVader1094 Yeah, but it's pretty safe to jump from that first assumption to the next. They let us escape, why? There's only one good reason - the Empire wants to end the Rebel Alliance, they don't care about four rebels that much. Honestly I don't think I can find any other reason there that would make that much sense or even close to it. They would've cared if they knew Luke would end up being such a threat, but they couldn't have known. Even in Empire Strikes Back they didn't care that much about Han, Leia and Chewbacca - they took them as prisoners instead of executing them to bait Luke (who still wasn't considered that much of a threat by Darth Vader or the Emperor, but they wanted him to further their goals of controlling the galaxy) and they felt pretty confident in their victory there. All I'm saying is they clearly made a mistake not just killing them outright, poor space nazis :(.
Only good stormtrooper moments were cyanide tooth and them cheering when they made it to the base did a good job humanising the troops only to kill them moments later
I liked how in the old canon they were usually portrayed as elite and not even the main forces. Like how in 'wrong side of the war' after the battle on Jabiim Lt Sunber is thinking to himself about how none of his natural soldiers survived and all he has left are clone stormtroopers, who he finds cold and impossible to connect with. You see them just pushing through heavy fire despite the danger while imperial army soldiers are cowering in fear and dying anyway. I think it's technically still that way because Solo reestablished that stormtroopers are different from imperial army soldiers like Han. Although they're still called mudtroopers so it's confusing
All movie villains that are expendable need to have bad aim like for example in commando the enemies are very bad at aiming but it’s not like there going to kill the main characters just so it can feel “REALISTIC” so the jokes need to stop because obi wan clearly says imperial storm troopers are precise
I've never understood why in all of starwars, apart from (ironically) the clone wars animated series, there is never an attempt to portray actual battle tactics. nobody takes cover, no one is covering the six, no one tries to be tactical. they just walk in gung ho in full view and the "good guys" win. so annoying.
This is how it seems to be in most star wars after Disney took over (BUT it's quite common in pre-Disney content as well). It wouldn't hurt the writers and directors to do some basic research on how armies fight.
@@staringgasmask The trade federation attack on the gungans was actually very well done. 1. Tested enemy forces with artillery fire, when it didnt work they sent in a large number of infantry to overwhelm the gungans. 2. When they breach the shield, they send elite forces like droidekas to destroy the generators, causing panic in the gungan ranks. 3. Chase the enemy with armor as they route from the field.
@@FieldMarshalYT I am fully aware of that, it's just that TPM is regarded as the weakest of the 6 non-disney movies, but also happens to have the best display of tactics in the entire saga
Yeah, this bothered me so much while binge watching The Mandolorian recently. Disney want us to see these guys as a huge threat, but they're constantly portrayed as helpless moving targets for the main characters to kill as cruelly as possible. It got to the point where I actually felt bad for them, because they have no chance of harming anyone but they're massacred just for showing up. I should be cheering when they're taken down, not sympathising with them.
Rogue one is the last time they were somewhat competent, they acctually manage to kill rebels, and that one moment where that random death trooper decides to get close and personal to fight mando unarmed. Outside of that they just suck :/ (i don’t count the dark troopers because they are droids)
@@buckeyeguy458 They were pretty precise. It was mentioned later in the movie that Vader had a homing planted on the Falcon so he could track the ship to the Rebel base. This would require at least three people to not get killed by the Stormtroopers during the escape. Leia had to live because she was only the person who knew where the base was and they needed two more people to escape to fly the ship. They were firing as close to them as they could to make it seem they were trying to shoot them without actually hitting them.
Why do people keep using "parents" when talking about Luke. Like why? Its not like they tried to refer to them as parents. He actively called them Aunt and Uncle...
@@sheevpalpatine6139It's perfectly acceptable to refer to them as "parents", the quotations are an acknowledgement that the word isn't meant in a literal sense, but in the sense that Luke was parented by his Uncle and Aunt. The dictionary defines "parenting" as: to be or act as a parent (to a child). Owen and Beru acted as parents so the word is usable.
😅😅😅 they're eggs. If you eat fried chicken, you eat a mother bathed in the remains of her children. If you eat cheeseburger, you place bovine mothers milk product over the ground remains of another bovine. The quote you mention is pure virtue signaling
The lack of a sense of danger in the Mandalorian was bound to happen specifically because they chose for the story to follow a Mandalorian in pure beskar armour. Beskar is inherently invulnerable to blaster fire and is resistant to lightsabers. Its weakness essentially is that one wearing it often becomes overconfident and too dependent on the armour.
Yeah there should have been tradeoffs for wearing such a suit of armor. Like in the old lore with Boba's particular armor weighing twice as much as conventional armors. Also Beskar is much more rare than Cortosis or Phryck so why telegraph yourself wearing that much rare material.
@@barrybend7189 The exact formula for producing and smithing with this super metal is also a tightly controlled secret right? The more examples of it you make public, the more likely it is for the secret to get out.
@@SamnissArandeen plus even in the older lore Mandalorian Iron was common but not as overpowered in lightsaber and blaster defense abilities as in the new lore. It was just heavy and a better protection than durasteel or Quadanium alloy armor for organics. In fact wookies who joined the Mandalorians wore armor made from the trees of Kashyk as it was lighter and still strong.
@@barrybend7189 And could you get grievously injured by the impact of a shot on your armor even if it didn't penetrate? That's a limitation on real world body armor. On a related note. Why weren't exoskeletons and powered armor more common? The setting seems to have the technology to pull it off.
th-cam.com/video/WCJP0XSHwQA/w-d-xo.html This is some red room shit and makes me feel really bad for this guy who didn’t know what he was getting himself into.
Hell or just make them actual fascists like they’re meant to be. You see a little of this with the shuttle hijack, you dont have to make them empathetic but you cant half ass it where they’re just guys and get massacred regularly.
@@cephery8482 True. Either make them elite fascists like the Waffen SS and stop treating them like buffoons, or show a more human side. I'd love to see both so we can see the full spectrum of the people who serve the Empire, but it can't keep going on where they're both faceless bad guys AND incompetent morons. At least the films had them elite badasses who didn't talk much and got the job done.
I understood your point about Gina's tweet, however I'd like to remind you that family friendly Disney filmed Mulan near Chinese concentration camps and thanked the CCP for the privilege. They clearly don't care all that much for their image.
15:49 that's soft body armor. It's supposed to deform and while doing so spread the kenetic energy of the bullet over a larger area and thus preventing penetration. You can add additional plates, those would greatly increase the protection the armor offers but it's expensive, heavy and it does only cover a small area of the body. Beskar armor seems to not deform at all therefore internal damage as a result of kentetic energy would be minimal, depending on the amount of kenetic energy a blaster bolt carries it might knock him over though. The most stupid part about the mandalorian is that the mandalorian gets hit numerous times throughout the series and every single shot happens to hit him exactly at one of the beskar plates even though a large part of his body is not covered with those plates.
Here's the thing: Stormtroopers might've been ineffectual in the original trilogy, *but the main characters didn't know that.* Whenever the boys in white showed up it was a sign that organic waste had collided with the air distribution system and that running away was in order. In Disney's Star Wars however, the characters are 100% aware of how safe they are and they will run full sprint towards heavy blaster fire without any attempt of even taking cover, knowing full well that they aren't even gonna take a scratch. If there's something the OT balanced perfectly was making the opposing force feel intimidating even when it was losing.
I take your meaning in regards to keeping the Empire intimidating even when losing, but Stormtroopers are factually NOT ineffectual in the original trilogy though. They killed the Rebels and captured Leia on the Tantive IV, they beat the Rebels (even if offscreen) on Hoth, and they even started to turn the tide after being surprised and attacked on all sides by Ewoks and elite rebel commandoes. It took a Wookie commandeering an AT-ST to finally make them lose. Point is, there's a reason the protags are always running away in the OT, except at Endor.
@@LordVader1094 When I said that stormtroopers were innefectual I meant when facing the main characters, of course. The fact that stormtroopers usually steamrolled every NPC opposition they came across is precisely one of the reasons the Empire managed to sustain its intimidation factor in the OT. It also helps that, while the MCs hold their own and win against them, their victory feels anything but effortless. They use guile and stealth go get around the Death Star, get hopelessly supressed in the detention center and have to escape into a trash compactor, gunning down the fighters that give pursuit is challenging, and lets not forget that of the dozen starfighters that attack the Death Star, only three make it back home. And that's only Ep.IV; In Ep.V things go even worse for the main cast! In short, since stormtroopers were shown to be a credible menace, a victory against them felt exhilarating; Under Disney they're such an embarrasing joke that a victory against them makes you feel nothing.
Even on Endor, the battle was quickly turned against them. The Ewoks had the upper hand at first because they ambushed the troopers from hidden positions, but once the Empire got their bearings it became a slaughterhouse. Only decisive action by Chewie and a few well-placed traps saved them from total defeat.
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What I like about Jedi fallen order is that stormtroopers feel like real soilders who are just doing their job and feed their families. Their conversation lines sometimes make me feel bad for them.
I'm an imperial Stormtrooper fan, I've been one for every Halloween, Christmas, Thanksgiving, YOU NAME IT! And I'm sick and tired of them being killed off without a fair fight bro, LET THEM BE A REAL THREAT
@@RM-cn8pw Ah yes, let's remember the times when in the first scene of the movie they boarded the Tantive IV, killed everyone in the hallway when they had cover, and had only 3 casualties. or when they kicked their asses on hoth. oh but nobody remembers that, let's make fun of them for getting beaten by teddy bears! Ewoks know the forest, they set up multiple traps, and basically did a Vietnam. people make fun of them for being small. let's look at an orangutan, "HA hA LOoK At thE SilLy MonkE!" that thing can and will fuck you up.
@@justanotherschmuck4149 Honestly, I always remembered the Ewoks as just triumphing over Stormtroopers with no effort, but re-watching RotJ last night made me realize that's not the case. Every stormtrooper they kill is killed by a surprise attack or a trap, with the Ewoks and Rebels outmaneuvering the Stormtroopers to win. Whenever the stormtroopers or ATSTs are facing the Ewoks, the Ewoks get toasted. Even Leia and R2-D2 get hit by Stormtroopers. The largest contingent are tricked out of the base and are forced to surrender by a pretty clever trick. In the Mandalorian they would have all just been shot by a side character with a pistol with no thought.
Even Disney forgets that. Pablo came up with some BS about the Stormtroopers don't have uniform training despite being special forces and the Stormtroopers stationed on the Death Star which would be second to Coruscant itself to the highest posting you could get were not as well trained as the 501st.
I remember back in the Eu when Stormtroopers were elite shock infantry who went through a grueling 6 month training program to become the best soldiers in the galaxy. They were the proud fist of the Empire, inferior only to the Clone Troopers whom they replaced (which, since clones were gentically modified super soldiers raised with mandalorian culture, being inferior is hardly an insult.) and now the stormtroopers are a laughing stock.
@@jackodonail1980 Commander Cody couldn’t stand human stormtroopers. He’d rather take one clone over an entire platoon of stormtroopers. He even lists a time a stormtrooper hit his head.
and we are led to believe the ewoks are good when they literally butcher stormtroopers...and fucking eat them, sometimes alive as well. Much like how soldiers in real life, Soldiers do not portray the governments of their country, they are ordered and they do what they are told. Sometimes if you exclude the fact the empire is ran by a sith, the Empire could be considered good since they are creating peace in the galaxy.
Seeing stormtroopers getting killed by Ewoks becomes a lot more understandable when you remember that these are the same Ewoks that nearly cooked our heroes alive, and would have done so had Threepio not used his magic to convince the tribe otherwise. Not to mention that the Imperials managed to rally from the initial ambush and might have still won had one of their AT-STs not been hijacked by a certain Wookiee.
imagine if there was a scene where a bunch of storm troopers were talking trooper#1: oh hey rick how's you're daughter trooper#2: she's doing great, I actually just talked to her before we got deployed can't wait to see her again mando: *about that*
@@seangallagher9435 But you can't tell me it's not a little degrading to make the black character a Sanitation Engineer. Hell, all he needed to say was, "When I was doing Latrine Queen duties, Sir." or something to that effect. And then in the second movie he's bumblefucking around....up until the moment he almost redeems himself then gets pranged by Rose (who despite being all "Ra ra Republic, my sister died for them" now suddenly doesn't care about the survivors and is willing to let them die when the door gets blown off its' hinges because she wants to lubricate Finn's E-Web?) I think this: th-cam.com/video/Bx5J0dW2rh4/w-d-xo.html is a better way for a soldier (especially a child soldier no less) to grimly approach their task.. ..than this: th-cam.com/video/k3C83hzkg7o/w-d-xo.html I recommend you go watch "Soldier" (1998) some time.
Also fun reminder, remember the Prequel Trilogy, the one everyone loves to say sucks. Well they made the Clones, the precursors to the Stormtroopers, a highly competent fighting force who were directly responsible for wiping the Jedi out. Talk about a downgrade.
Yeah, that’s true. Also, remember the Clone Wars episode with the Nikto Jedi. He died to a large squad of Battle Droids. Not to mention all the Jedi that died in the Battle of Geonosis. In short, even Battle Droids are more competent than Stormtroopers in the Disney movies, aside from Rogue One.
@@kbgman01 The battledroids got made fun of relentlessly, but it felt less mean spirited since they weren't people. Still, the battledroids killed almost every character you don't see in Revenge of the Sith, so even they raised the tension and posed a threat.
Mistah Fox battle droids were made in a joke. They ruined separatist as an faction by making them generic ‘bad guys’ and absolutely ruined the beginning text for revenge of the sith. ‘There are heroes on both sides’
@@lamardavisakald4438 The Separatists aren't just Droid Armies. They are a Confederation of systems, and many of the worlds in it have their own sentient armies, that are living creatures. Only the Trade Federation has a droid army
Stormtroopers are actually really accurate, only thing stopping them is plot armor. We see them miss everything because the only things they're shooting at are main characters not meant to die.
Yeah, i just dont understand, why there arent some scenes where there are some generic bandits or Rebel (even through thats the same) Troopers fighting. It would make a totally better view of stormtroopers!
For me, the big problem with the "silly stormtroopers" trope is that it makes the universe itself too unbelievable. If the stormtroopers are THIS incompetent, what were they doing in the army in the first place? Were they not trained? And more importantly, if the stormtroopers can't fight worth a damn, how does the Empire even hold itself together? And, by they way, why would anyone want to arm, supply, pay, and command a legion of stormtroopers, when hiring a single mercenary for the same job is infinitely more effective?
Blame Tarkin, and his stupid doctrine. Instead of making sure they had a well supplied ground force the Empire instead focused it's efforts on super weapons that could be used to project fear throughout the Galaxy. It does make a certain amount of sense. The Clone Wars showed the inefficiency of creating and maintaining a large well equipped ground force that could be used to subjugate individual worlds. Instead why not have a few super weapons to scare inhabitants into submission, (and if needed eradicate the planet as an example) have a few elite squads to do the actual work, and conscript a larger but less trained force to give the impression that the Empire's power was everywhere.
@@horrorfan117 I put it that the inefficiency of handling the large military forces during the clone wars was not unlike the American Civil War, where you had a small army that suddenly bloomed into hundreds of thousands of troops all over the nation. The logistics and command structure extant just couldn't keep up with that and had to play catch up the entire course of the war. As it relates to the Clone Wars, there apparently were plenty of clones early on, but too few actual experienced leaders. Even the Jedi generals were flying by the seat of their pants when it came to command and control of large units. Theoretically the Empire sought to learn from the Clone Wars and develop a sort of Leadership training Program as well as efforts to pragmatically implement processes that would allow for better flow of troops and material to combat zones and the like. When you consider the size of the Death Stars, they'd still have to deal with the massive logistical support system in order to feed and maintain the personnel on the Death Stars. So whether it was a large military force spread out about the galaxy or a fleet of superweapons, you need still have large numbers of personnel and equipment to operate and maintain. The problem was the super weapons were highly vulnerable and inadvertently served to bolster, rather than weaken, resistance to the Empire.
@@tr4480 ever thought this may be due a bottle neck in genetics. They mainly cloned jango fett. After so many clones, they may just start getting more problems.
what makes it even weirder is that they came from clone troopers. they were pretty good, i mean theyre genetically modified soldiers trained to kill. i know they arent like Space Marines, far from it, but you would think their succesors would be around the same level if not a bit better.
In the mandalorian, the empire has already collapsed. These aren’t "real" stormtroopers, they are random guys former imperial war lords trying to rebuild the empire have gotten to join their cause.
There is the scene in Episode IV when Obi-Wan and Luke discover the Java's Sandcrawler. When Luke thought Sandpeople hat ambushed the crawler Obi-Wan answered "only imperial storm troopers are so precise". Which meant to me Stormtroopers are able to hit their targets if the plot allows it.
They are precise. They were explicitly given orders not to kill the heroes on the death star, in order for them to track the Falcon to Yavin. You have to be a good marksman to not even hit the Heroes once even by accident.
@@carrot708 Some people forget or ignore the reason they were missing. But we already realize why they were missing at shooting them. They were ordered to have them escape the death star alive to find the rebel base on the moon of Yavin IV. There was a tracker on the falcon. They were using stormtroopers and tie fighter attacks to prevent them from figuring out they were tracked. This shows how the empire's competence made them so ruthlessly fearsome. Unlike Disney made them so incompetent and complete jokes. We miss how they use to make stormtroopers as terrifying as they should be.
Fun fact: the stormtrooper that hit his head was actually the "these arent the doids we're looking for" guy. He felt the effects long after obi wan used the mindtrick on him which lead to him being clumsy, and couldnt think straight.. henceforth letting R2 and C3PO leave AGAIN and then was sent back to basic training for failing his job twice
Remember when on the clone wars show, we were introduced to a squad of clones still in training, saw them bond together, go through the ranks, and then nearly all of them got picked off and killed, one by one, during the different seasons? That'd never happen under Disney.
@@marcaldovino264 “BuT tHaT’S aLl DaVe!!! (even though it’s a rigorous process in which Disney, Lucasfilms, Dave Filoni, and Kathleen Kennedy are all involved in).
@@TooCooFoYou The last season of Clone wars was already written and the animation was in its first stages when Disney took over and scrapped the project for years. They had nothing to do with the actual story. Bad batch remains to be seen.
Honestly, Boba’s brilliant return rampage would’ve been so much cooler if the Stormtroopers were shown as effective, it’d really punctuate just how terrifying Boba Fett actually is, being a highly trained Bounty Hunter and all
2 months late mfw but I agree, if people were actually *shown* that Stormtroopers were effective soldiers, watching Boba Fett waste like two or three squads of them all actually cool and badass.
Except THESE troopers aren't effective. The empire is nothing like it was. Just a scrap of its former glory. Obvious they're hiring anyone who'll take the job. They cant kidnap people amd put this through brainwashing training anymore lmao.
If my memory serves me correctly I believe most of Boba's armor isnt even Beskar beyond the helmet and possibly the bracer, considering that the helmet explicitly was Jango's, but I think the rest of the armor was put together without Beskar. Boba was a beast because he was a Mandalorian of such renown without the most powerful tool Mandalorians had. But yes the stormtroopers should be shown much more effective.
Actually on Endor the Stormtroopers put up one hell of a fight, against the odds I might add. Considering the Ewoks had both the advantage of an ambush, and the home field advantage
They've retroactively made endors defeat make sence and dark as hell, ewoks hunt the stormtroopers on mass and are PURE MUSCLE under that teddy bear exterior and all the trooper helmets are eaten troopers.
well scrap my original comment since i did NOT quite understand your comment. YES they are successful in missing on the Death Star, while keeping the shots close enough that it's not a cake walk for the heroes. it is a lot harder to miss and make it look like you're shooting to kill than it is to just shoot to kill
@@boyvol6428 oh no its not you it is quite literally 2 minutes past midnight and my brain is beginning to shut down. Also despite english being my one and only language my spelling is quite horrible and sometimes autocorrect has no idea what I'm trying to say
The stormtroopers were able to get through a really thin choke point on the Tantive IV within seconds. Same situation with the Death Star Detention Block. And to quote Obi Wan: "Only imperial Stormtroopers are so precise"
@@user-fn4od7hy5c Becuase the whole movie we were with the main characters. Obviously they can’t him them since they have to survive anyways. In clone wars they can kill as many clones as they like since they aren’t main characters but the og movies are different. That’s why clones are always dying off in that show because only a select few are considered “main” characters. Haven’t watched the whole series btw so no spoilers
@UCNivGrXR5UyBkzQEMHQNfyg The empire wanted them to escape to track them so they could find the Rebel Base. But for the rest of the trilogy it's dumb, yes
Tbh I loved the scene from mandalorian when they missed the can. But I agree with the points. They should be shown as somewhat capable of being real danger and not ridiculed at every single ocasion.
Ghidorah: “I destroy planets and threaten civilizations” Thanos: “I killed half of the universe’s population” Disney “I once refused to give a child a Spider-Man tombstone and didn’t pay a poor village.” Ghidorah: “Jesus Christ, dude Thanos: “WTF at least our motivations are just fiction.” Godzilla: King of the Monsters is like fine wine. The older the gets, the better it taste. The Disney trilogy on the other hand will age like Green milk.
That point with them never making up their mind about Stormtroopers being tragic or as disposable as tissues is exactly what bothered me about their depiction. One scene shows Finn (and by extension every Stormtrooper) being humanized and in the next scene he laughs like a psychopath as he blows his ormer comrades to bits. Didn’t you just explain how all of you were forced into service? Why are you celebrating the murder of your fellow victims?
@@RM-cn8pw Finn being humanized already happens in his first scene when he is marked as important by having the blood of his comrade on his helmet. After that he takes off his helmet which humanized the faceless trooper even more. After that he helps Poo and talks to him. Or if you are talking about him blowing up his former comrades it literally happens while they are stealing the TIE fighter. Or do you think those "Whooo"'s of Finn are crying?
that would be a very interesting show, maybe they could do something like finn where they turn but its an make an actual character instead of comic relief
@@Valkyrie12X preferably an Imperial era stormtrooper just after the Clone Troopers are replaced with stormtroopers and the stormtrooper getting actual training and having to deal with dying friends in his first battle or something.
@@joris0065 yeah, but im honestly getting tired of "i'm part of the bad guys! but wait...! the bad guys did something bad!? nevermind im switching sides!" i just want a series or movie that shows the struggles of a trooper, dealing with injuries, dealing with loss, maybe the rebels do something fucked up to one of their squad mate that no matter how much they hate working with the empire (if they do at all) they will NEVER turn to the rebellion, maybe they pull off a daring stunt where they are regarded as a war hero among their squad. disney, you don't have to make the empire look good, just make the troopers feel human, alive, make them have a noticable presence everytime they are deployed in a battlefield, just make them COOL.... or atleast scary.
One thing I wonder is that how can a whole planet of stormtroopers can even hit a girl who randomly found an elegant weapon with their stormtrooper friend, but they hit precise shots on a tin can man with anti-lightsaber armor. Did they literally just devolve.
I think Rogue One did really good with stormtroopers. There was literally a point in the movie where a bunch of death troopers came in and mowed down a bunch of rebels and even some main characters
And the only reason they were missing during the speeder chase on Endor is because it's genuinely difficult to hit a moving target, even if, especially if you're moving as well.
@@CryosisOfficial ultimately Disney dictates what is canon and we VERY rarely get anything even close to stuff from legends from LEGO, who I'm getting have to atleast mention to Disney what set ideas are, think our last legends set was the rebel sandspeeder?
@@cybergames3436 No. Disney dictates what is canon to their "fan"-fiction (correction: shameless cash-grab) and has no bearing or authority over the true Star Wars that came before.
@@bemotivated8443 yeah by far. the others had good things in them, (for the most part) but none of the other disney star wars films still came close to rouge one
Growing up I always thought Stormtroopers were cool, evil Spacecops. Didn't Disney ever see Troops? I mean they were always awesome to me. Disney just ruined them for no reason.
They can't seem to kill one or two Mando's but somehow they killed a whole conclave off screen. And the badass Weaponsmith just hides and didn't help until after they all dead, WTFen deal with that?!?!
I'll always remember the first time i watched TESB and getting literal chills down my spine during the Lando Betrayal scene, where all the stormtroopers appear out of nowhere, surrounding everyone.
@@garyredfield1498 I was really proficient at taking over the Citadel on that snowy planet with the jump-pack trooper in under 60 seconds...or just a couple a minutes. i grew sad when realized no one playing on the servers anymore 😥
Another thing that always bothered me was how awful at flying the First Orders Tie Fighter Pilots were. There is no conceivable way that Rey could ever hope to outfly not only one but two of them. Again, they have been trained basically from BIRTH. They may as well have been born in a cockpit. I don’t care how good of a pilot Poe thinks he is, there’s no way he could shoot down like 20 tie fighters in a row. Same goes with the First Order stormtroopers themselves. They should genuinely be some of the best marksman in the galaxy, seeing as they also may as well have been born with a blaster in their hands. It makes absolutely no sense how they would miss any shots at all
I think you're thinking of the clone stormtroopers, those were the ones trained from birth. The NO stormtroopers were kids when they were brought or taken, as Finn tells them. They still should be better shots though.
Storm troopers were not trained from birth. Wayyyy to many ppl think the Clone Troopers and Storm Troopers are one on the same when that couldn’t be further from the truth.
@@supermccnasty4176 I’m talking about first order stormtroopers not imperial. And fine, they were taken at a very very very early age, so early that Finn has absolutely no memory of his family or early life, only that he was taken
I would love to hear ya’lls feedback from this idea. It’s an idea for a Star Wars show (that I doubt would ever happen) but for those who know what the show Band of Brothers is, it would be much like that. It would be centered around a stormtrooper squad that would face battle similar to the ones in the beginning of solo with the mud troopers. You would get to know each squad member and keep in mind these are just normal storm troopers, not super soldiers. Members would die each episode and they would be able to actually achieve victory. They would win and lose with each one coming with consequences of the characters you watched being killed off. This show would humanize stormtroopers, show that they aren’t mumbling bafoons, and show that death is a very real thing that can happen to protagonist and characters alike. The show would focus around one specific person, but rather the whole squad. Thoughts?
Frankly I don’t care what kind of show it is I just want one from either the empire or separatist point of view because many people just think of them as robots or cannon fodder when their people ok not the cis but the stormtroopers are people they have emotions and I really loved what squadrons did and let you be a tie pilot
I hope Disney starts treating stormtroopers seriously because I'm that fan who is constantly explaining to my friends why in any given instance the stormtroopers aren't just reckless buffoons
When I first saw Finn in part one of the sequel trilogy, I was super hyped to see a former Stormtrooper as a part of the new main cast or maybe even the main character. And then it turned out the main character was some entirely uninteresting Mary Sue and Finn was quickly turned into comic relief for no reason.
This is what i enjoyed about Rogue One, it was gritty and gave stormtroopers a purpose, they had effective aim, even against the main characters, with death troopers being the top of the line, hitting every shot.
@@Dire_Pack lol I honestly think that Rogue One is the worst example of how to write bad guys. The worst moment being when Jyn grabs a storm trooper's gun and he just falls off a platform to his death. Just because she grabbed his gun too hard. 😂That's what killed him. It's also fascinating how it takes the empire a few minutes to shoot a woman who's pointing a gun at a leader. WOW Someone should tell Disney: "when you don't know how to write bad guys think of what the soviets would do."
@@FriendlyCroock and how a squad of stormtroopers were wiped out by a single imperial droid. A blind guy beating the shit out of them. And fat dude unloading an entire mag into a squad?! Also, notice how in EVERY STAR WARS MOVIE/SHOW/ANYTHING THAT STORMTROOPERS ARE THE LAST ONES TO START SHOOTING? THEY ALSO CANT WALK AND SHOOT AT THE SAME TIME?! OR USE COMMON SENSE AS TO NOT CHARGE AT ENEMIES WITHOUT PROVIDING COVER FIRE?! Disney doesn't know how war works... They have no idea how combat works and only know how to make the enemy seem incompetent.
Even worse when you realize that the Stormtroopers that they use as enemies are actually special forces basically! And that the special forces everyone thinks is the special forces (death troopers) are actually the Elite special forces branch!
We need a show called “Stormtroopers” or “Rise of the Empire” that shows that stormtroopers are actually good soldiers and that the empire isn’t just a joke.
I actually want to make a show called "Star Wars: Empire" that would essentially be an anthology series that follows various types of troopers gaining victory against all odds
REAL TALK: Rogue One is the only Disney property that had stakes and I felt something. The death troopers were no joke, they KILLED K2SO and other characters. Rouge One is still the best.
Death troopers were the biggest joke of rogue one when Baze Malbus shot all of them with his huge repeating blaster but one of them dropped a grenade that killed him. Stormtroopers killed better than death troopers in that film.
@@Grandof-the-PentastarAlignment Remember right when the Deathtroopers show up, they literally wiped out all of the remaining Rebel Forces in seconds and corner the few remaining characters, I do agree Baze being able to wipe them all out was pretty stupid but their entrance and wiping out the rebels was pretty badass.
@@taxult I mean, at that point it was pretty clear that the Force was playing silly buggers on those poor troopers something fierce. Random commando gets blown away for barely sticking his neck outta cover, and then Chirrut just goes for a walk across the field and everything misses him? Pretty obvious that the game was rigged there.
Honestly I’m pretty unsatisfied with the treatment of stormtroopers throughout Star Wars, just like you. Actually I’m a big fan of the uncommon trope of a committed low rank enemy soldier that puts up a better fight than most of the villains around him. You know the one truck driving Nazi and random plane mechanic at the end of the Egypt act in “Indiana Jones, Raiders of the Lost Ark.” that’s it, that’s what I’m talking ‘bout. We need that in Star Wars a little more often.
I dont like that storm troopers are basically just canon fodder. But they were established that way from day 1 so.... youd kinda have to rewrite the entire saga if you wanna have some excellent troopers. Even rare ones.
Honestly i would have loved to see a storm trooper rebellion. Like a huge number of them looking up to FIn and just straight up turning on the empire. Realizing that they keep getting treated like shit. And have nothing to acualy lose from a rebellion. But i guess that is way to complex and original for a disney star-wars film. Bad guys go boom is what the normie audience wants.
You forgot to mention Leia was shot by a stormtrooper on Endor. Also, IG-88's sacrifice is lessened terribly by the threat being just stormtroopers. They probably could have just walked through it and somehow the stormtroopers whoopsie themselves in to the lava.
BTW In the first ever movie, stormtroopers were told not to shoot the main characters because the empire needed them so they could track down the rebels and find their base
If anything, that makes their aim even more impressive, as they are accurate enough to make it look convincing in the moment without worrying about accidentally shooting our heroes.
Phase 1 clone: oh boy, I sure do love looking like this, this armor isn’t very comfortable tho. George Lucas: I can change that Phase 2 clone: wait... what? Stormtrooper: this isn’t actually too bad, although I have bad aim now. I kinda like this though. I hope I do not get oversimplified. Disney: hello, we have taken over and have decided to make you more *Merchandise Friendly* Stormtrooper: what.. FO Stormtrooper: why am I happy and smooth now Sith trooper: Red was never my color, also why is my helmet geometric Red happy triangle: stop please Red circle Red dot
@@Sgt-lott10 I agree with your point but even non star wars fans can recognize a stormtrooper. The prequel trilogy was hated when it released and since then mostly fans like them now though they are good. Stormtroopers are from the original movie everyone knows what they are.
it originated in the original trilogy. other than the first scene, stormtroopers miss practically every shot. it's a space opera, not a war film series
@@donnovandalusong266 Competent? Did you watch this video at all? This whole video was basically explaining how incompetent the stormtroopers are in the Mandolariorian.
I like the mandalorian but i agree on this stormtroopers and the empire in general constantly being portrayed as incompetent fools, is so boring HOW are these fools keeping regions under their fist when they suck so much?? My eyes rolled so hard when 2 scout troopers crashed into eachother for no reason in a mandalorian episode, id love a show where they are acctually good, and a threat like the clone troopers.
We understand they’re goons, but even goons need to be threatening for the heroes’ actions to be meaningful. Otherwise it’s like a bunch of competent adults beating up children. The officers have noticeably slipped as well. Remember how hyper-competent Piett was? Or how the Star Destroyers could counter despite being blindsided? It made it thrilling when the heroes won, because they were going up against competent villains.
Well, this is post-Endor Empire. The old lore had it that most of the best Stormtroopers are dead or retired (in the case of the 501st Legion) and most warlords resorted to just taking Imperial Army Troopers (the Empire's actual cannon fodder) and putting them Stormtrooper armor. The only major exceptions are Grand Admiral Thrawn (who had control of Vader's Fleet Death Squadron and some of the best Stormtroopers as a result and cloned them to boost his numbers) Warlord Zjsini (who created Stormtrooper type unit call the Raptor Commandos) and Ambassador Furgan (who still had control of the Stormtrooper Academy of Cardia). Moff Gideon is a normal fish in a small pond. Dude doesn't even have a Star Destroyer for a flagship so he isn't a blip on the New Republic's radar.
This explains why, despite its story flaws, the battles in Rogue One were so engaging. Both the rebels and empire were portrayed as capable and willing to kill each other in battle. As a result, each encounter held actual tension....and meaning.
Expansion Universe Lore:Actually Storm troopers are excellent in shooting ,especially scout troopers who are experts in sharp shooting and sniping,and Storm Trooper armor acts the same as Bescar armor but can't resist Light-Saber attack.
I wouldn't say exactly the same, but still. In legends, it generally takes a while lot more than low-energy blasters to punch through Stormtrooper armor. Hell, the Imperial Handbook says their wrist armor is reinforced to aid in deflecting vibro-blades in close quarters combat. I'd actually like to see something like that. Maybe have some character think they'll just very easily cut through them, only for the first Trooper to swat away their blade and shoot them full auto at point blank range?
Storm trooper armor doesnt act anything like bescar, it disperses the bolt and stuns the trooper inside so the empire was able to reuse their same troopers multiple times.
Yes the Stormtroopers in the EU are ruthless, competent, intelligent, deadly, and terrifying. In the Disney Canon, they were treated as garbage, jokes, and incompetent. Disney doesn't get the stormtroopers as accurate as they should be.
Stormtroopers didn't act like Beskar in Legends, but it could deflect several power levels of blaster shots when they hit at certain angles. Some weaker plasters that hit more straight on got partially absorbed by the armor, the rest melted into it creating deeper scorch marks and carbon scoring, but another shot in the same spot would go through and most likely kill the Stormtrooper. Scout troopers died more easily due to less robust armor in favour of increased mobility. But overall, EU/Legends Stormtroopers were less goffy and more intelligent and a credible threat. Disneytroopers.... you just want to delete them, dontcha. Just seeing them makes me cringe because they're as stupid as the brainless non-human woke drones screaming on Twitter.
9:13 its likly they killed about more than 10 thousand storm troopers. As the dead troopers horror comic says "Theres only 12 life forces, not the minimum 10 Thousand needed for operation"
Stormtroopers: **elite fighting force of highly trained soldiers proficient in sharpshooting, advanced squad tactics, complex boarding maneuvers, and survival behind enemy lines** Also Stormtroopers: **can't function as a squad; can't shoot straight with weapons they've spent countless hours training with; armor is made of Saltine crackers; getting beaten by hillbilly terrorists wielding hand-me-down military hardware and idiot teddy bears who have two sticks and a rock**
When you do some research, these teddy bears are actually quite durable, they have a lot of muscle for their size and are especially dangerous in packs. (No sh*t sherlock) So the fact that the troopers got rekt by ewoks shouldnt be the most surprising, not only that but ewoks know their lands and the troopers dont, same situation happened in Vietnam, drafted soldiers went into unknown territory and got slaughtered by the vietcong because they actually knew how their home worked.
Totally agreeing with you here. Stormtroopers were never portrayed as horribly incompetent as they were in the sequels or in the general media landscape. You have to mind though: In the first movie, the stormtroopers were ordered to let the prisoners escape, so they could find the secret rebel base. A risky plan, as Tarkin said. edit: Ok, you analysed it correctly, I really should watch the video first and then comment.
You should have talked about Star Wars Rebels because Its the show where Stormtroopers are in the peak of their humiliation, at least Mandalorians got their OPness justified but not a small group of rebels
That's one of the major issues I have with that show: It took what used to be an out-of-universe misconception and made it part of the lore, which makes a sane person wonder how the Empire was able to survive for so long if such inaccurate aim was common knowledge among its citizens.
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Fun Fact: Jango Fett has more screentime than Capitain Phasma. He only appeared in one movie. And no, I'm not counting his clones or Boba Fett. I'm only counting Jango.
if you count the clones Im pretty sure he has the most screentime of anybody 😂
@@quasarstone4951 Considering the Clone Wars show (not including the Prequels or the 2003 show) is over 56 hours long, yeah, they'd easily win.
@@dr.boring7022 its 66 hours to reflect order 66
@@ZuwyFPS I think that is incorrect though. And doing the math, my number is incorrect, too. There are typically 23 minutes per episode, and 133 episodes total. That totals to around 51 hours.
@@dr.boring7022 oh
This is why I liked Rogue One. By adding lots of heroes, and killing them off as they went for their objective, it made the stormtroopers more formidable. A concept used in 7 Samurai, dirty dozen
You even saw that in the Clone Wars - named clones such as Fives, Tup, 99, and Jesse. They were often recurring, likeable, and then still died.
What bothers me most with Mandalorian, the Stormtroopers act and fight like a bunch of untrained recruits. They can't hit anything with their blasters. Tactical competence is zero, no fire and manoeuvre. No fire teams, no adequate leaders. Only leadership the NCOs or Officers provide during the battle, are the hand signs to go forward. It seems the Stormtrooper's helmets are lacking communication, sensors and everything.
SAME rouge 1 is my favorite because everyone DIES
Still though the Stormtroopers in Rogue One are nerfed a bit compared to the lore standards. Even the Death Troopers get taken out by one guy with a giant gun :/, should be the other way around
@@travispotthoff6131 None of the clones we safe in TCW except Cody and you could assume they weren't going to kill Rex. That was the best part about them. You loved and cared for them and you truly didn't know when you would lose another one. I think more named clones died than survived when you really think about it. Boil, Kix, Fox, Wolffe, and Doom all survived. Echo survived, but he was presumed dead for 3 seasons. Aside from that only a few single episode clones survived like Gregor and Monk.
Clone Wars had a good balance of comic relief and danger when it came to the droids, we understood that while they are dumb individually they were extremely effective in large battles. This allowed them to have huge battles that the Republic barely wins or horrifically loses, while having small droid patrols for comic relief at times.
@Alex Gomez yeah but the thing is the droids had like felt funny so you can connect with them and honestly I am sad when I see a Droid died
Very true. One episode you have Roger Roger jokes. And another they are silent and kill captan thorn. For the republic!!
yeah, in one episode you have
"that was a horrible shot!"
"it's my programming"
and in another you have dozens of clones and jedi being slaughtered by the hordes of droids
that was a good balance, specially since it wasn't a 50/50 thing, it was a 80/20 (derp moments being a minority)
@@maestrofeli4259 I still feel bad for the droids
@@maestrofeli4259 yes exactly
It's honestly pretty grim how Finn shows us that stormtroopers are humans too and how he mourned his fallen comrade in the opening sequence of Force Awakens... only for him to gun down dozens of them and then go WOO YEAH LET'S GOOOOOO basically
how ironic
"WOOOO YEAH BABY! THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!"
and how in battlefront 2 they added human characteristics (the original, not EA)
Say you don't understand the heat of the moment without saying it.
@@cerebrophage7709 the heat of the moment makes you go genocidal?
The Clone Wars humanizing the troopers is WHY THE SERIES WORKS SO WELL. It's great. People have favorite clones. Why? Because despite the fact that they look and sound the same, they are written to be different people.
Well they don’t really sound the same
There is a fair bit of variation in their inflections, tones and volume that makes them rather recognisable and shows sone personality
@@jmurray1110 Yet it was the same actor doing every clone voice.
@@DarthSoto78 yeah and the fact he got them all to sound unique is quite impressive
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Using the clones against storm troopers is a bad comparison. The idea was even though the clones had something that set each other apart, they were the same. Storm troopers are a regular army of many different individuals. Now if they did wanna do the Storm Troopers justice, make a show or movie purely focused on them which I honestly think would be a great idea.
The Clone Wars (2D series) taught me to respect the Hell out of clone troopers.
Apparently they become Extremely competent when fighting for the heroes
Nah they just got better training they were trained from birth and a lot of the first batch was even trained by mandalorians some mandalorians even snuck clones out and made them full mandos
It is odd to see you here but yeah we clones are a force to be reckoned with.
Yeah it is the only thing i cared about starwars. It is so weird. One child show is pretty serious. And dozens of movies is pretty childishly disneymade.
to be fair the kaminoans practiced eugenics and only let the very best of the clones live
@@simpleclonetrooper2740 in your universe, probably. In my universe, you are slightly weaker than the average guardsman.
Did you know, that there was a scene when Fin actually talked to the stormtroopers, and actually convinced them to turn on Phasma before she gunned them all down, instead that scene was replaced with BB8 hijacking an AT-ST and murdering scores of stormtroopers while Fin fought Phasma.
So what did the storm troopers do? Take off their armor and hump their air? Though that is pretty irresistible to be fair to Phasma
@@handleonafridge6828 bruh what
Murder? Lmao I think you might have went a little overboard there. Its war. It's not murder if someone also has the intention to kill you as well. But yes, you are absolutely right on everything else my guy
@@UmieeYasha oh yeah if its war we call it brbrbrbrbrbr not murder
@@basic_avarage_person murder is killing someone who doesn't A. Have a weapon. B. Someone who doesn't have the intent to kill. Yes. War is gruesome and very bloody. Death happens but it isn't murder if both sides are trying to kill each other. Understand this please
The storm troopers in Andor were scarce, but when they showed up, you felt genuine worry for the protagonists.
Adding onto this, we never even saw stormtroopers until "The Eye," and even then, they were in the background of a wide shot that focused on the TIE Fighters; we didn't see them up close until "Announcement," and the first time they get killed is in "Daughter of Ferrix," the first season's penultimate episode.
An easy way to solve the invincibility of Beskar armour, would be to have it heat up slightly with each hit. One or two shots isn't going to matter, but 20-30 with no time to cool down in between each one would cook him like a lobster.
Also have some damn physics. People get thrown around by blasters plenty.
Literal plot armor
I think the dark saber heated the beskar spear in moff gideons and mandos battle and strong snipers do send Mando flying
I also much prefer fallen orders stormtroopers because they genuinely have conversations when they haven’t detected you yet like getting frustrated scared confident and when they see they’re troops die they get scared or self confident
All they have to do is show that Din Djarin starts to feel overwhelmed and the patches that his armor doesn’t cover start to get hit.
Yeah! I've heard a suggestion somewhere of the shots still leaving kinetic impact. Even if the blaster bolt is destroyed upon impact, that kinetic energy has to go somewhere, right?
When Poe, Finn, and their "buds' have killed thousands of more children than Anakin/Darth Vader.
And here I thought I couldn't get any more depressed about the sequels.
lolololol Bill Burr does the same thing in Season 2.
They weren't children when they got gunned down, but adults.
So really, they were just performing Very-Late Post-Birth Abortions.
“The war? I cannot find it to be so bad! The death of one man: this is a catastrophe. Hundreds of thousands of deaths: that is a statistic!” -French Joke I.
@@snipingflute4346 I think its one million in the original quote by Stalin
The problem with stormtroopers now is basically the same as with droids in the 2008 animated series. Disney is just too scared of ruining their family image to put protagonists in any real danger.
The clone wars from 2008 killed lots of major character
@@bruh-xb2uy less major and more strong characters.
Not really they killed a lot of clones and droids some unnamed Jedi and the living embodiment of the word bastard (pong krell)
Fives might be the more recurring character to have been killed off but even then he was definitely a supporting character unlike Rex or ahsoka who lived past rebels
They prevented the main characters from dying since they were going to be in Revenge of the Sith, but Clone Wars has never held back on violent and gruesome themes. For fucks sake, someone is tortured to death in the first episode of season 2.
@@bruh-xb2uy No. They were even afraid to let Grievous kill Eeth Koth even though he doesn’t appear in EPIII, and nobody fell to swarms of droids like the actual war except one random Jedi character who was literally created to die (Ima-Gun-Di).
19:50 the part that really kills me is that they did Troopers killing people right not that long ago. Rogue One's entire battle on Scarif is hinged on the troopers being pretty effective overall
I honestly think that Rogue One is the worst example of how to write bad guys.
The worst moment being when Jyn grabs a storm trooper's gun and he just falls off a platform to his death. Just because she grabbed his gun too hard.
@@FriendlyCroock not really, its not AS bad as the mandalorian or the book of baba fett. The entire main cast dies because of regular stormtroopers or death troopers. They are competent, can actually aim, and on Jedha were actually scary
I don't know what to say about that fall though
@@simpleviewer1334 Scary? Well that's interesting cause they didn't scare me once. In fact I laughed at them a few times.
Like when they surrounded that blind guy with guns. Even a little kid would know that if u do that you'll shoot ur own men.
Are u telling me they don't have basic military training.
@@simpleviewer1334 Secondly the only evil that the empire does in Rogue One is in the shape of retaliation.
The rebels literally do more eviI than the empire does.
@@simpleviewer1334 Another problem is that the rebels in Rogue One have the big empire strikes back and rotj fleet.
The rebellion in "a new hope" was supposed to be very small and insignificant. They attacked the death star with x wings hence why Tarkin didn't take them seriously.
It's after the empire destroyed Alderaan that more planets joined the rebellion which makes sense.
I felt some empathy towards storm troopers in Jedi: Fallen order, especially when they start motivating themselves that they can go up against a jedi. It's funny, but also kind of humanizing. The empire'll just kill ya if you ran away, and you can either run away, or fight an ginger teenager with telekinesis and a glowstick. What else can you do except try to convince yourself, that if you keep shooting, you might just be able to kill the space wizard with a photon sword
Yea some were cocky some were scared they showed reactions to fellow troopers dying it made me feel bad for killing the ones that were afraid one of the best games I’ve ever played
atleast there not the main enemies usually..and there easy cannonfodder..and you can simply run past them if you feel bad
Jedi is the bad guy confirmed
It occurs to me that rather than using blasters against the mandolorians, paint ball guns would have been more effective as it would have made it difficult for them to see through their visors. In fact, using paintballs against stormtroopers could be an effective moral high ground... they can't see you now because they're covered in paint but at least they're not mercilessly killed!
I mean… they did sign up for it
I don’t know what is truly worse: Disney ruining Star Wars or them being able to fix it so easily with little repercussions yet choose not to.
This is the real point. It's not that it's bad. It's that there's no excuse for it to be bad.
Disney didnt ruin star wars
@@Flan17 Then explain the reactions to them fucking up Finn and Rose, or the blank slate that is Rey, or them telling George Lucas to fuck off and then destroying the story he worked so hard to develop.
I respect your opinion I just want to know your thoughts on this
@@meep9231 I understand your anger and I despise the sequels but a lot of the hate is miss placed. They've made mistakes yes but I believe the worst is behind us. Let's take the sequels out of the picture and see what we got. Rogue one, solo, rebels, clone wars s7, two triple A battlefronts, squadrons, Mandalorian, all of the new shows and movies announced, countless comics and books and all of it canonically connected to one universe. To say they ruined star wars is over exaggerating ten fold, they revived star wars from the dead and without Disney there would of been no new star wars because George had no intention of continuing the franchise. Legends was never canon under George and it was a big mess of events. They did fuck him over in the early days but he sold Lucasfilm meaning he had no control anymore so you can't complain he lost power especially after the reason he sold was the hate for prequels (which I love). Not only that but he was on set for a lot of the Mandalorian so Disney saw their mistake and asked for his input again. This fanbase is the most toxic one I think I've ever came across and that truly breaks my heart because I love star wars. We need to stop blindly hating on Disney and start critizing them because they don't respond to hate too well.
@@Flan17 legends was canon, theres loads of references to legends in the films. coruscant is so called cos it was in the thrawn trilogy, aayla secura was a character in atoc cos george liked her look from the dark horse comics. The sith being extinct for a thousand years comes from dark forces two. The idea that legends was inconistent is a complete lie. THe original clone wars timeline was the most consistent thing in legends before 2008 clone wars messed it up. When there was inconsistinses in the old canon they strove to make them fit, such as the clone wars being ten years before it wa suppsoed to be, which was cleared up by saying the noghris calender was different to the standard galatic calender. Star was was not dead before disney. it was doing perfectly fine, by 2018 people were sick of star wars because of how bad disney had treated the franchise.
“How Disney Ruined” could be a massive series since there is no shortage of Disney messing stuff up.
Or, just throwing it out there. Disney hardly ruined anything. Star Wars isn't that different than when Lucas called the shots. Some Star wars fans just want something to complain about. Even if the problems they are complaining about are hardly problems at all. Again food for thought.🤷
@@0wolabi97 No that is just BS.
@@RM-cn8pw No he is wrong
@@bilbobaggins9451 what did they ruin exactly?
@@emberfist8347 what makes it b.s. exactly?
Wouldn't it make more sense have the Imoerial Remnants have EXTREMELY proficient & lethal troopers? Think about it, the Empire's finest troopers have survived the horrors of war after the collapse of the Galactic Empire. Most of the lesser skilled stormtroopers either died or deserted long ago. This leads them to become increasingly desperate and cornered, as resources are thinning out. Because of this, new recruits aren't taken in on a whim, but are subjected to intense basic training using old school methods. Led by veteran stormtroopers & commandos, these trainees are given the opportunity to serve their respective warlords faithfully ( and much more competently). Stormtroopers are even leased out as mercenaries & bounty hunters to raise funds for equipment maintenance & training, while also gaining vital skills.
In my head cannon Gideon and his remnant are the lower quality troops relegated to surviving in dustbin world's on the outer rim patrolled by literally 2 X wings. The real cream of the empires crop are able to maintain a threat level closer to the core world's, thus having more resources and a better chance of actually taking down the new republic.
Yeah
Rogue One did the best with Stormtroopers They actually killed people 😂
Hell Yeah Stormies Rock!
@Dragon On Coke I think it's the best film or movie that came from Disney so far. I'm an OG so I've been watching since the originals. I've seen all the movies in the original order that they came out.
@Dragon On Coke This movie's really awesome. It could be Episode 7 and people would love it.
I will say the Force Awakens actually does this right. The movie opens with the stormtropper murdering an entire town. And later in the film one of the main characters is almost killed by a stormtrooper in a swordfight. And the characters actually had to SNEAK around Starkiller Base and didn't just murder 40 troops at a time. The new trilogy did alot wrong but I think episode 7 did that right.
@@ajmari9585 Good points.
I find it sad how people only see storm troopers as background death characters but to me I see them as special people
Yes people who have their own views on the galaxy leaving their old lives to join a war effort they feel is right, no matter how wrong it actually is.
Been awhile but remember them being far deadlier in legend novels and comics
Ikr, the Jedi kill humans to beat the big bad and when they reach the bad guy they be like “don’t kill him, it’s not the Jedi way”. Wtf? They killed 1000 humans to get a guy and then say that?
@@reduxboi.8586 What?
I think stormtroopers are pretty cool. I can’t see them as “special” people when I have no emotional attachment to them like my bois, the Clones. I would still prefer to play as Stormtroopers over playing as Rebels or Resistance soldiers in Battlefront.
Stormtroopers when facing any other person: “I could do this all day”
Stormtroopers when facing a main/named character: “Please... have mercy, I beg of you!”
Disney: there is no mercy
That’s been Star Wars literally always….
@@jamesgratz4771 Wrong. Watch the original trilogy.
Well this aged badly. In the newer Star Wars project Kenobi, tapping a stormtroopers helmet apparently stuns them for enough time to get blasted
I mean, that doesn't really make up for every single other Star Wars show where they have the accuracy of the Doom 3 shotgun.
@@RevolverRez It was sarcasm you smarty pants
But now Andor is here to save the day. The stormtroopers of Andor are an efficient and terrifying fighting force, worthy to be called the Fist of the Empire. This is how I want to see them portrayed going forward.
And in andor they kill a butt load of rioters
Andor is far, far, far too little, far too late.
TIEs are still worthless despite characters telling us they're deadly, the infamous "just one TIE flying over ordinary people" scene is followed by TIEs missing every volley and crashing into each other, and stormtroopers shoot basic rioters.
Yeah, it's over. They will never be as cool to me as they used to be, again.
This is why I like rogue one so much. It shows the stormtroopers actually winning and destroying the opposition.
Cus we do. Sometimes
Still my 2nd favorite Star Wars movie
@@lyeloh9251 What's the 1st then?
@@ouussahhh hello fellow stormtrooper I'm your huge fan
Barley but ok.
To be fair, the two scout troopers did manage to kill Kuill and kidnap Grogu, but while that seems like it should show the threat the stormtroopers pose, they make the EXACT SAME stormtroopers not able to shoot a can from 5 feet away. It’s inconsistent.
I think they killed Kuill with a rifles but I don't think they had one but I could think they shot the blasters at gunpoint and the more further the target the more shit the blaster accuracy drops since blasters are shit weapons in general or were poorly manufactured
Wow. They ran down an old man and kidnapped a defenseless child. What an impressive feat from the most elite fighting force in the galaxy since the clones were decomissioned.
Blasters in canon become less accurate the more distance the target is from the plasma projectile, so with those blaster pistols that have super short barrels and are also probably not being maintained properly since the remnant doesn't have as much resources as it needs to keep in top shape, makes the blasters very inaccurate unless you practice a lot with it.
@@TheManBehindTheSlaughter6669 if a GUN can’t land a shot from 5 feet away, then palpatine needs to be removed from office with his terrible choices in who can engineer blasters
@@ic0nic707 you see blasters are different from guns in that they fire high velocity plasma bolts that with more distance become very innacurate, the longer a barrel on a blaster the more stable the bolts path and also high amounts of training with your balster can improve your accuracy a lot. We see that stormtroopers are more accurate than rebels in a lot of star wars media because they are put through a lot of training to better wield blaster weapons.
My biggest problem with "The Mandalorian" was the lack of a sense of danger. Mando is basically invincible, with His Beskar Armor and Spear which can even go toe to toe with a lightsaber
It's basically a video game.
With a lot of the lore for Mandalore (which some is canon still), Mandalorians fought against the Jedi on several occasions. Of course they would try to develop armor that could resist lightsabers.
@@bojesphob I'm not saying that it doesn't make sense from a lore perspective, just that it sucks the suspense out of any action scene
There is a scene where Mando is so close to death, until grogu saves him. The mandoloriabn was not perfect, but it was balanced
@@attaulnoor60 I should have been more precise and say that my problem mostly applies to season 2
Storm Troopers weren't just simple foot soldiers! They were an elite force with some really nice gadgets in their helmets that acutally improve their targeting. The imperial army were simple foot soldiers, though, but they are barely shown in the original movies. I think that the only times where you see them is as the drivers of the AT-ST walkers. While they have always been there in the Star Wars roleplaying game starting back in the lake 80s, they have their first real appearance on screen in the Han Solo movie.
Yeah, I guess you could say their the "shock troopers" of the imperial military, but I'd imagine they'd be very good shots, you'd THINK so seeing them for the time. I know I did.
If stormtroopers are elite, then I don't want to know what is average...
@@Hayabusa7792 Then all of Star Wars have failed in portray them as such...
Andor has done a fantastic job of doing that
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon Someone's never experienced real Star Wars.
princess Leia: they're obviously tracking us
still goes to the rebel base
She knew they let her and the crew get away, not why.
@@LordVader1094 Yeah, but it's pretty safe to jump from that first assumption to the next. They let us escape, why? There's only one good reason - the Empire wants to end the Rebel Alliance, they don't care about four rebels that much. Honestly I don't think I can find any other reason there that would make that much sense or even close to it.
They would've cared if they knew Luke would end up being such a threat, but they couldn't have known. Even in Empire Strikes Back they didn't care that much about Han, Leia and Chewbacca - they took them as prisoners instead of executing them to bait Luke (who still wasn't considered that much of a threat by Darth Vader or the Emperor, but they wanted him to further their goals of controlling the galaxy) and they felt pretty confident in their victory there. All I'm saying is they clearly made a mistake not just killing them outright, poor space nazis :(.
She wasn't the one piloting the ship
@@malcolmjenkins3585 and Han didn't know where the reble base was only Leia did
Only good stormtrooper moments were cyanide tooth and them cheering when they made it to the base did a good job humanising the troops only to kill them moments later
Stormtroopers on the old comics: Badass
Stormtroopers on movies and series: blasters goes pium puim * and dies *
I liked how in the old canon they were usually portrayed as elite and not even the main forces. Like how in 'wrong side of the war' after the battle on Jabiim Lt Sunber is thinking to himself about how none of his natural soldiers survived and all he has left are clone stormtroopers, who he finds cold and impossible to connect with. You see them just pushing through heavy fire despite the danger while imperial army soldiers are cowering in fear and dying anyway. I think it's technically still that way because Solo reestablished that stormtroopers are different from imperial army soldiers like Han. Although they're still called mudtroopers so it's confusing
@@Shot5hells Yet you never actually see the Imperial army outside of that movie. In the other movies Stormtroopers are the main battle force
@@Shot5hells in canon Imperial Army got disbanded after reconquest
True
All movie villains that are expendable need to have bad aim like for example in commando the enemies are very bad at aiming but it’s not like there going to kill the main characters just so it can feel “REALISTIC” so the jokes need to stop because obi wan clearly says imperial storm troopers are precise
I've never understood why in all of starwars, apart from (ironically) the clone wars animated series, there is never an attempt to portray actual battle tactics. nobody takes cover, no one is covering the six, no one tries to be tactical. they just walk in gung ho in full view and the "good guys" win. so annoying.
This is how it seems to be in most star wars after Disney took over (BUT it's quite common in pre-Disney content as well). It wouldn't hurt the writers and directors to do some basic research on how armies fight.
Ironically, TPM showed actual tactics
@@staringgasmask The trade federation attack on the gungans was actually very well done.
1. Tested enemy forces with artillery fire, when it didnt work they sent in a large number of infantry to overwhelm the gungans.
2. When they breach the shield, they send elite forces like droidekas to destroy the generators, causing panic in the gungan ranks.
3. Chase the enemy with armor as they route from the field.
@@FieldMarshalYT I am fully aware of that, it's just that TPM is regarded as the weakest of the 6 non-disney movies, but also happens to have the best display of tactics in the entire saga
in the words of the great Harrison Ford... "look kid, it aint that kinda movie"
Yeah, this bothered me so much while binge watching The Mandolorian recently. Disney want us to see these guys as a huge threat, but they're constantly portrayed as helpless moving targets for the main characters to kill as cruelly as possible. It got to the point where I actually felt bad for them, because they have no chance of harming anyone but they're massacred just for showing up. I should be cheering when they're taken down, not sympathising with them.
Lucas: “Only Imperial Stormtroopers could be so precise!”
Disney: no
Rogue one is the last time they were somewhat competent, they acctually manage to kill rebels, and that one moment where that random death trooper decides to get close and personal to fight mando unarmed. Outside of that they just suck :/
(i don’t count the dark troopers because they are droids)
Don’t act like they were precise in A New Hope. They were never really a threat
@@buckeyeguy458 They were pretty precise. It was mentioned later in the movie that Vader had a homing planted on the Falcon so he could track the ship to the Rebel base. This would require at least three people to not get killed by the Stormtroopers during the escape. Leia had to live because she was only the person who knew where the base was and they needed two more people to escape to fly the ship. They were firing as close to them as they could to make it seem they were trying to shoot them without actually hitting them.
Lucas (in the same movie) : no
Obi-Wan: The Empire's Elite
Memes and Pop Culture Osmosis: Yeah butttt, actually no
As a stormtrooper my self , usually we’re given the order to not kill just to miss to scare em or stun them
Correct.
Well stormtropper some time I get shot in the arm
You guys kill common soldiers very often
Sorry you got such a bad rep dude
@@themaskedman757 when I fight them they put up a good fight
I like how we all forgot that in the original Luke's "parents" on tatooine were burned to death by stormtroopers.
or simply assassinated and the troopers burned everything afterward
Why do people keep using "parents" when talking about Luke. Like why? Its not like they tried to refer to them as parents. He actively called them Aunt and Uncle...
@@sheevpalpatine6139It's perfectly acceptable to refer to them as "parents", the quotations are an acknowledgement that the word isn't meant in a literal sense, but in the sense that Luke was parented by his Uncle and Aunt. The dictionary defines "parenting" as: to be or act as a parent (to a child). Owen and Beru acted as parents so the word is usable.
Don’t you know that beru actually had a thermal detonator, because of a minor civil incident.
I thought that was Boba? Flamethrower, no disintegration’s, etc?
"Why don't you have baby yoda eat more unborn babies?" - Vito, 2022 14:13
😅😅😅 they're eggs. If you eat fried chicken, you eat a mother bathed in the remains of her children. If you eat cheeseburger, you place bovine mothers milk product over the ground remains of another bovine. The quote you mention is pure virtue signaling
The lack of a sense of danger in the Mandalorian was bound to happen specifically because they chose for the story to follow a Mandalorian in pure beskar armour. Beskar is inherently invulnerable to blaster fire and is resistant to lightsabers. Its weakness essentially is that one wearing it often becomes overconfident and too dependent on the armour.
Yeah there should have been tradeoffs for wearing such a suit of armor. Like in the old lore with Boba's particular armor weighing twice as much as conventional armors. Also Beskar is much more rare than Cortosis or Phryck so why telegraph yourself wearing that much rare material.
@@barrybend7189 I agree.
@@barrybend7189 The exact formula for producing and smithing with this super metal is also a tightly controlled secret right? The more examples of it you make public, the more likely it is for the secret to get out.
@@SamnissArandeen plus even in the older lore Mandalorian Iron was common but not as overpowered in lightsaber and blaster defense abilities as in the new lore. It was just heavy and a better protection than durasteel or Quadanium alloy armor for organics. In fact wookies who joined the Mandalorians wore armor made from the trees of Kashyk as it was lighter and still strong.
@@barrybend7189 And could you get grievously injured by the impact of a shot on your armor even if it didn't penetrate? That's a limitation on real world body armor.
On a related note. Why weren't exoskeletons and powered armor more common? The setting seems to have the technology to pull it off.
We’ve been seeing a lot of Clone Trooper humanization, but Stormtrooper humanization is where it’s at.
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This is some red room shit and makes me feel really bad for this guy who didn’t know what he was getting himself into.
Hell or just make them actual fascists like they’re meant to be. You see a little of this with the shuttle hijack, you dont have to make them empathetic but you cant half ass it where they’re just guys and get massacred regularly.
Mhm
nah clones are cooler
@@cephery8482 True. Either make them elite fascists like the Waffen SS and stop treating them like buffoons, or show a more human side. I'd love to see both so we can see the full spectrum of the people who serve the Empire, but it can't keep going on where they're both faceless bad guys AND incompetent morons. At least the films had them elite badasses who didn't talk much and got the job done.
I understood your point about Gina's tweet, however I'd like to remind you that family friendly Disney filmed Mulan near Chinese concentration camps and thanked the CCP for the privilege. They clearly don't care all that much for their image.
Very true. They are hypocrites.
And her costar compared the US border to Nazi concentration camps without a whiff of concern from KK & Co.
and Pedro Pascal also used an image which was actually from Syria in that tweet. I thought Lucasfilm took issue with “Fake News”
@UCshSbeKz0xRtySYe_8IsY8A I didn't say WW2.
I'm actually surprised they kicked Gina out for Holocaust sensationalism rather than the antivax shit lol
15:49 that's soft body armor. It's supposed to deform and while doing so spread the kenetic energy of the bullet over a larger area and thus preventing penetration. You can add additional plates, those would greatly increase the protection the armor offers but it's expensive, heavy and it does only cover a small area of the body. Beskar armor seems to not deform at all therefore internal damage as a result of kentetic energy would be minimal, depending on the amount of kenetic energy a blaster bolt carries it might knock him over though. The most stupid part about the mandalorian is that the mandalorian gets hit numerous times throughout the series and every single shot happens to hit him exactly at one of the beskar plates even though a large part of his body is not covered with those plates.
Beskar apparently literally magnetises blaster fire towards it.
Here's the thing: Stormtroopers might've been ineffectual in the original trilogy, *but the main characters didn't know that.* Whenever the boys in white showed up it was a sign that organic waste had collided with the air distribution system and that running away was in order.
In Disney's Star Wars however, the characters are 100% aware of how safe they are and they will run full sprint towards heavy blaster fire without any attempt of even taking cover, knowing full well that they aren't even gonna take a scratch.
If there's something the OT balanced perfectly was making the opposing force feel intimidating even when it was losing.
I take your meaning in regards to keeping the Empire intimidating even when losing, but Stormtroopers are factually NOT ineffectual in the original trilogy though. They killed the Rebels and captured Leia on the Tantive IV, they beat the Rebels (even if offscreen) on Hoth, and they even started to turn the tide after being surprised and attacked on all sides by Ewoks and elite rebel commandoes. It took a Wookie commandeering an AT-ST to finally make them lose.
Point is, there's a reason the protags are always running away in the OT, except at Endor.
read timothy zahns books
@@LordVader1094 When I said that stormtroopers were innefectual I meant when facing the main characters, of course. The fact that stormtroopers usually steamrolled every NPC opposition they came across is precisely one of the reasons the Empire managed to sustain its intimidation factor in the OT.
It also helps that, while the MCs hold their own and win against them, their victory feels anything but effortless. They use guile and stealth go get around the Death Star, get hopelessly supressed in the detention center and have to escape into a trash compactor, gunning down the fighters that give pursuit is challenging, and lets not forget that of the dozen starfighters that attack the Death Star, only three make it back home. And that's only Ep.IV; In Ep.V things go even worse for the main cast!
In short, since stormtroopers were shown to be a credible menace, a victory against them felt exhilarating; Under Disney they're such an embarrasing joke that a victory against them makes you feel nothing.
Even on Endor, the battle was quickly turned against them. The Ewoks had the upper hand at first because they ambushed the troopers from hidden positions, but once the Empire got their bearings it became a slaughterhouse. Only decisive action by Chewie and a few well-placed traps saved them from total defeat.
You deserve a "like" for the organic waste had collided with the air distribution system" alone!
I want a hardcore brutal WW2 style stormtrooper game/show so bad.
Me agree
The original Battlefront II by Pandemic does that for you. You even get a Vietnam moment with them getting really steamed at the Rebels.
A show like band of brothers, but with storm troopers
Dude, a show that follows a squad of stormtroopers in battle getting brutal killed would legit be fire
You're Welcome! It may be a fan film, but it's REALLY well made.
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(They actually released episode 1 of a series today, link below)
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What I like about Jedi fallen order is that stormtroopers feel like real soilders who are just doing their job and feed their families. Their conversation lines sometimes make me feel bad for them.
They even had different personalities
I-I'm the last one?
some of them are calling cal a traitor
"Had"
@@pepsi2523 I'm still tryna figure out why and I'm not even finished the game
I'm an imperial Stormtrooper fan, I've been one for every Halloween, Christmas, Thanksgiving, YOU NAME IT! And I'm sick and tired of them being killed off without a fair fight bro, LET THEM BE A REAL THREAT
Lets not forget that the Stormtroopers on the Death Star were ordered to not kill the main characters and to let them escape
Man, that's my point when people talk about them
@Phil Thomas I wrote this people I saw that part
@@RM-cn8pw Ah yes, let's remember the times when in the first scene of the movie they boarded the Tantive IV, killed everyone in the hallway when they had cover, and had only 3 casualties. or when they kicked their asses on hoth. oh but nobody remembers that, let's make fun of them for getting beaten by teddy bears! Ewoks know the forest, they set up multiple traps, and basically did a Vietnam. people make fun of them for being small. let's look at an orangutan, "HA hA LOoK At thE SilLy MonkE!" that thing can and will fuck you up.
@@justanotherschmuck4149 Honestly, I always remembered the Ewoks as just triumphing over Stormtroopers with no effort, but re-watching RotJ last night made me realize that's not the case. Every stormtrooper they kill is killed by a surprise attack or a trap, with the Ewoks and Rebels outmaneuvering the Stormtroopers to win. Whenever the stormtroopers or ATSTs are facing the Ewoks, the Ewoks get toasted. Even Leia and R2-D2 get hit by Stormtroopers. The largest contingent are tricked out of the base and are forced to surrender by a pretty clever trick. In the Mandalorian they would have all just been shot by a side character with a pistol with no thought.
How tye fuck did i not remember that
Stormtroopers were instructed to let Luke, Han and Leia safely back to the Falcon so that they could be tracked back to the rebel base.
Even Disney forgets that. Pablo came up with some BS about the Stormtroopers don't have uniform training despite being special forces and the Stormtroopers stationed on the Death Star which would be second to Coruscant itself to the highest posting you could get were not as well trained as the 501st.
@@RM-cn8pw Did you even watch the video...? Or read the comment to which you are replying? You'd make a good Disney stormtrooper 🤪🙄
I remember back in the Eu when Stormtroopers were elite shock infantry who went through a grueling 6 month training program to become the best soldiers in the galaxy. They were the proud fist of the Empire, inferior only to the Clone Troopers whom they replaced (which, since clones were gentically modified super soldiers raised with mandalorian culture, being inferior is hardly an insult.) and now the stormtroopers are a laughing stock.
Can you think of any scene in the original trilogy where they were competent? All I keep hearing are excuses as to why they aren’t doing well.
@@jackodonail1980 Commander Cody couldn’t stand human stormtroopers. He’d rather take one clone over an entire platoon of stormtroopers. He even lists a time a stormtrooper hit his head.
Rebels: Kill Finn's squadmate
Finn: Joins rebels
He only joined to save Rey
@@itsssviper Finn is a simp
@@patricioalvarezcarbajal9031 true he is a massive simp
@@itsssviper and he then got friend zoned
then, at his final chance at redemption, sacrificing his life, he's saved by a female simp
@@jockeyfield1954 yep
calling Ewoks a clan of teddy bears is actually saddening because they can be described as deadly savages barely capable of being stopped
and we are led to believe the ewoks are good when they literally butcher stormtroopers...and fucking eat them, sometimes alive as well. Much like how soldiers in real life, Soldiers do not portray the governments of their country, they are ordered and they do what they are told. Sometimes if you exclude the fact the empire is ran by a sith, the Empire could be considered good since they are creating peace in the galaxy.
They almost have the strenght of a wookie and wookies can rip humans apart
Seeing stormtroopers getting killed by Ewoks becomes a lot more understandable when you remember that these are the same Ewoks that nearly cooked our heroes alive, and would have done so had Threepio not used his magic to convince the tribe otherwise. Not to mention that the Imperials managed to rally from the initial ambush and might have still won had one of their AT-STs not been hijacked by a certain Wookiee.
imagine if there was a scene where a bunch of storm troopers were talking
trooper#1: oh hey rick how's you're daughter
trooper#2: she's doing great, I actually just talked to her before we got deployed can't wait to see her again
mando: *about that*
They should do that. They made stormtroopers seem like they’re all evil at least from what I saw. Haven’t started season 2
@@ThatsOk83 i think season 2 had some better scenes
It would be about grandparents or parents, rather than kids, but still good idea!
They could kill half the dumb and unnecessary side characters that we honestly don’t even remember the names of.
@@KillerT-Bone Like Jar Jar? Scrap that, everyone knows Jar Jar
Poor Finn. He had so much promise. A good actor to play him too. He just can't catch a break. Even in the promotional media.
"WOOOOOH YEEAAHWW WYEAH DA REEEEEEEEEEYYYYY At? Yas'm ah's duh sannny tayshun eng'neer, yes ah is"
~ Finn
"Soldiers deserve Soldiers, Sir"
~ Sgt Todd-3465
@@hellacoorinna9995 what are you talking about?
Disney WAS fixing it, with the Mandalorian.
@@seangallagher9435
But you can't tell me it's not a little degrading to make the black character a Sanitation Engineer.
Hell, all he needed to say was, "When I was doing Latrine Queen duties, Sir." or something to that effect.
And then in the second movie he's bumblefucking around....up until the moment he almost redeems himself then gets pranged by Rose (who despite being all "Ra ra Republic, my sister died for them" now suddenly doesn't care about the survivors and is willing to let them die when the door gets blown off its' hinges because she wants to lubricate Finn's E-Web?)
I think this: th-cam.com/video/Bx5J0dW2rh4/w-d-xo.html is a better way for a soldier (especially a child soldier no less) to grimly approach their task..
..than this:
th-cam.com/video/k3C83hzkg7o/w-d-xo.html
I recommend you go watch "Soldier" (1998) some time.
@@Homeschoolsw6 no, Dave Filoni was fixing it. Disney, or more specifically Kathleen Kennedy is still trying to screw it up.
Also fun reminder, remember the Prequel Trilogy, the one everyone loves to say sucks. Well they made the Clones, the precursors to the Stormtroopers, a highly competent fighting force who were directly responsible for wiping the Jedi out. Talk about a downgrade.
Yeah, that’s true. Also, remember the Clone Wars episode with the Nikto Jedi. He died to a large squad of Battle Droids. Not to mention all the Jedi that died in the Battle of Geonosis.
In short, even Battle Droids are more competent than Stormtroopers in the Disney movies, aside from Rogue One.
@@kbgman01 The battledroids got made fun of relentlessly, but it felt less mean spirited since they weren't people. Still, the battledroids killed almost every character you don't see in Revenge of the Sith, so even they raised the tension and posed a threat.
Mistah Fox battle droids were made in a joke. They ruined separatist as an faction by making them generic ‘bad guys’ and absolutely ruined the beginning text for revenge of the sith. ‘There are heroes on both sides’
@@lamardavisakald4438 The Separatists aren't just Droid Armies. They are a Confederation of systems, and many of the worlds in it have their own sentient armies, that are living creatures. Only the Trade Federation has a droid army
Yep
That’s why the Legends troopers are so friggin cool. They can actually decimate entire enemy battalions, and make the Rebellion genuinely afraid
Stormtroopers are actually really accurate, only thing stopping them is plot armor. We see them miss everything because the only things they're shooting at are main characters not meant to die.
Also REAL armor. Apparently the helmets suck or something which is why variants with different helmets are more accurate.
@@uhsund Yeah, some troopers report malfunctions in the targeting system so they have to try to shoot with the E-11 scope.
Yeah, i just dont understand, why there arent some scenes where there are some generic bandits or Rebel (even through thats the same) Troopers fighting. It would make a totally better view of stormtroopers!
Stormtroopers are actually extremely accurate compared to real soldiers. Here's a good video about it: th-cam.com/video/P2TA9coGLzM/w-d-xo.html.
@@uhsund The helmets are literally the problem.
For me, the big problem with the "silly stormtroopers" trope is that it makes the universe itself too unbelievable.
If the stormtroopers are THIS incompetent, what were they doing in the army in the first place? Were they not trained? And more importantly, if the stormtroopers can't fight worth a damn, how does the Empire even hold itself together?
And, by they way, why would anyone want to arm, supply, pay, and command a legion of stormtroopers, when hiring a single mercenary for the same job is infinitely more effective?
Blame Tarkin, and his stupid doctrine. Instead of making sure they had a well supplied ground force the Empire instead focused it's efforts on super weapons that could be used to project fear throughout the Galaxy.
It does make a certain amount of sense. The Clone Wars showed the inefficiency of creating and maintaining a large well equipped ground force that could be used to subjugate individual worlds. Instead why not have a few super weapons to scare inhabitants into submission, (and if needed eradicate the planet as an example) have a few elite squads to do the actual work, and conscript a larger but less trained force to give the impression that the Empire's power was everywhere.
@@horrorfan117 I put it that the inefficiency of handling the large military forces during the clone wars was not unlike the American Civil War, where you had a small army that suddenly bloomed into hundreds of thousands of troops all over the nation. The logistics and command structure extant just couldn't keep up with that and had to play catch up the entire course of the war.
As it relates to the Clone Wars, there apparently were plenty of clones early on, but too few actual experienced leaders. Even the Jedi generals were flying by the seat of their pants when it came to command and control of large units.
Theoretically the Empire sought to learn from the Clone Wars and develop a sort of Leadership training Program as well as efforts to pragmatically implement processes that would allow for better flow of troops and material to combat zones and the like.
When you consider the size of the Death Stars, they'd still have to deal with the massive logistical support system in order to feed and maintain the personnel on the Death Stars. So whether it was a large military force spread out about the galaxy or a fleet of superweapons, you need still have large numbers of personnel and equipment to operate and maintain.
The problem was the super weapons were highly vulnerable and inadvertently served to bolster, rather than weaken, resistance to the Empire.
@@tr4480 ever thought this may be due a bottle neck in genetics.
They mainly cloned jango fett.
After so many clones, they may just start getting more problems.
what makes it even weirder is that they came from clone troopers. they were pretty good, i mean theyre genetically modified soldiers trained to kill. i know they arent like Space Marines, far from it, but you would think their succesors would be around the same level if not a bit better.
In the mandalorian, the empire has already collapsed. These aren’t "real" stormtroopers, they are random guys former imperial war lords trying to rebuild the empire have gotten to join their cause.
There is the scene in Episode IV when Obi-Wan and Luke discover the Java's Sandcrawler. When Luke thought Sandpeople hat ambushed the crawler Obi-Wan answered "only imperial storm troopers are so precise". Which meant to me Stormtroopers are able to hit their targets if the plot allows it.
They are precise. They were explicitly given orders not to kill the heroes on the death star, in order for them to track the Falcon to Yavin. You have to be a good marksman to not even hit the Heroes once even by accident.
@@carrot708 also covering fire/suppressive fire. Not meant to kill, but to prevent the enemy from getting a shot off. Seems that was the plan there.
@@carrot708 Some people forget or ignore the reason they were missing. But we already realize why they were missing at shooting them. They were ordered to have them escape the death star alive to find the rebel base on the moon of Yavin IV. There was a tracker on the falcon. They were using stormtroopers and tie fighter attacks to prevent them from figuring out they were tracked. This shows how the empire's competence made them so ruthlessly fearsome. Unlike Disney made them so incompetent and complete jokes. We miss how they use to make stormtroopers as terrifying as they should be.
6:46 imagine if that stormtrooper shot rey and went away laughing that a jedi tried to use such a pathetic trick on this more expirienced trooper
Fun fact: the stormtrooper that hit his head was actually the "these arent the doids we're looking for" guy. He felt the effects long after obi wan used the mindtrick on him which lead to him being clumsy, and couldnt think straight.. henceforth letting R2 and C3PO leave AGAIN and then was sent back to basic training for failing his job twice
I'm pretty sure he probably died on the Death Star when the Rebels blew it up rather than go to basic training again.
Damn.
@Kendall Bass no. But you can make it your headcanon if you like.
@Kendall Bass Yes it actually is it's from the cannon book, from a certain point of view.
Dayum
Never felt bad for a stormtrooper before
Remember when on the clone wars show, we were introduced to a squad of clones still in training, saw them bond together, go through the ranks, and then nearly all of them got picked off and killed, one by one, during the different seasons? That'd never happen under Disney.
I guess the last season of the clone wars and the bad batch dont exist
@@marcaldovino264
“BuT tHaT’S aLl DaVe!!! (even though it’s a rigorous process in which Disney, Lucasfilms, Dave Filoni, and Kathleen Kennedy are all involved in).
@@TooCooFoYou The last season of Clone wars was already written and the animation was in its first stages when Disney took over and scrapped the project for years. They had nothing to do with the actual story. Bad batch remains to be seen.
"ECHO!"
Like Rogue One, which hits a good chunk of those descriptions?
Honestly, Boba’s brilliant return rampage would’ve been so much cooler if the Stormtroopers were shown as effective, it’d really punctuate just how terrifying Boba Fett actually is, being a highly trained Bounty Hunter and all
2 months late mfw but I agree, if people were actually *shown* that Stormtroopers were effective soldiers, watching Boba Fett waste like two or three squads of them all actually cool and badass.
Except THESE troopers aren't effective. The empire is nothing like it was. Just a scrap of its former glory. Obvious they're hiring anyone who'll take the job. They cant kidnap people amd put this through brainwashing training anymore lmao.
@@sheevpalpatine6139 anyone who has ever shot a gun more than once could've killed boba in that scene.
THEY LITERALLY RAN HEADFIRST, WITH BLASTERS OUT, INTO A MAN WITH A MELEE WEAPON.
If my memory serves me correctly I believe most of Boba's armor isnt even Beskar beyond the helmet and possibly the bracer, considering that the helmet explicitly was Jango's, but I think the rest of the armor was put together without Beskar. Boba was a beast because he was a Mandalorian of such renown without the most powerful tool Mandalorians had.
But yes the stormtroopers should be shown much more effective.
Actually on Endor the Stormtroopers put up one hell of a fight, against the odds I might add. Considering the Ewoks had both the advantage of an ambush, and the home field advantage
I mean I don’t blame them for losing since they were up against midget Wookiees
They've retroactively made endors defeat make sence and dark as hell, ewoks hunt the stormtroopers on mass and are PURE MUSCLE under that teddy bear exterior and all the trooper helmets are eaten troopers.
I’ve been saying this for months. I hate that Disney totally disrespects stormtroopers daily
Ye, I read a comic once and it was from a Storm Troopers POV, it was very funny, they read Vaders dearie XD
Edit: It was a VERY old comic though...
So, stormtroopers in original trilogy wasn't terrible in hitting their targets. They were successful in missing them, you say?
well scrap my original comment since i did NOT quite understand your comment. YES they are successful in missing on the Death Star, while keeping the shots close enough that it's not a cake walk for the heroes. it is a lot harder to miss and make it look like you're shooting to kill than it is to just shoot to kill
@@rominkivela9351 sorry for misunderstanding. After all, english is not my native language. But i'm trying.
@@boyvol6428 oh no its not you it is quite literally 2 minutes past midnight and my brain is beginning to shut down. Also despite english being my one and only language my spelling is quite horrible and sometimes autocorrect has no idea what I'm trying to say
Your English is fine. I understood what you meant. You expressed it very clearly. Keep it up, you're doing a great job learning the language.
@@rominkivela9351 They also were told by Vader to miss on Bespin since he wanted Han, Leia, Chewie, and Luke alive.
The stormtroopers were able to get through a really thin choke point on the Tantive IV within seconds. Same situation with the Death Star Detention Block.
And to quote Obi Wan: "Only imperial Stormtroopers are so precise"
But the whole movie was storm troopers missing their target tho :/ the og trilogy made fun of stormtroopers as much as the rest of them man...
@@user-fn4od7hy5c did you not watch the video
@@user-fn4od7hy5c Becuase the whole movie we were with the main characters. Obviously they can’t him them since they have to survive anyways. In clone wars they can kill as many clones as they like since they aren’t main characters but the og movies are different. That’s why clones are always dying off in that show because only a select few are considered “main” characters. Haven’t watched the whole series btw so no spoilers
@@ThatsOk83 Yeah odviously that's with all background bad guys it's not a Disney thing.
@UCNivGrXR5UyBkzQEMHQNfyg The empire wanted them to escape to track them so they could find the Rebel Base.
But for the rest of the trilogy it's dumb, yes
Tbh I loved the scene from mandalorian when they missed the can. But I agree with the points. They should be shown as somewhat capable of being real danger and not ridiculed at every single ocasion.
Ghidorah: “I destroy planets and threaten civilizations”
Thanos: “I killed half of the universe’s population”
Disney “I once refused to give a child a Spider-Man tombstone and didn’t pay a poor village.”
Ghidorah: “Jesus Christ, dude
Thanos: “WTF at least our motivations are just fiction.”
Godzilla: King of the Monsters is like fine wine. The older the gets, the better it taste. The Disney trilogy on the other hand will age like Green milk.
Beautiful indeed
I hate Disney for that
Nilus:I’m evil but atleast I can’t help myself
Daleks: I may want to exterminate the universe but I’ve been clear with my goals from the start.
The devil: I just wanna say I'm a huge fan
That point with them never making up their mind about Stormtroopers being tragic or as disposable as tissues is exactly what bothered me about their depiction.
One scene shows Finn (and by extension every Stormtrooper) being humanized and in the next scene he laughs like a psychopath as he blows his ormer comrades to bits. Didn’t you just explain how all of you were forced into service? Why are you celebrating the murder of your fellow victims?
@@RM-cn8pw Finn being humanized already happens in his first scene when he is marked as important by having the blood of his comrade on his helmet.
After that he takes off his helmet which humanized the faceless trooper even more.
After that he helps Poo and talks to him.
Or if you are talking about him blowing up his former comrades it literally happens while they are stealing the TIE fighter. Or do you think those "Whooo"'s of Finn are crying?
Does anyone think a series based off a stormtrooper being recruited and rising through the ranks would hit like some of the others new series will.
that would be a very interesting show, maybe they could do something like finn where they turn but its an make an actual character instead of comic relief
@@Valkyrie12X preferably an Imperial era stormtrooper just after the Clone Troopers are replaced with stormtroopers and the stormtrooper getting actual training and having to deal with dying friends in his first battle or something.
@@joris0065 yeah, but im honestly getting tired of "i'm part of the bad guys! but wait...! the bad guys did something bad!? nevermind im switching sides!" i just want a series or movie that shows the struggles of a trooper, dealing with injuries, dealing with loss, maybe the rebels do something fucked up to one of their squad mate that no matter how much they hate working with the empire (if they do at all) they will NEVER turn to the rebellion, maybe they pull off a daring stunt where they are regarded as a war hero among their squad.
disney, you don't have to make the empire look good, just make the troopers feel human, alive, make them have a noticable presence everytime they are deployed in a battlefield, just make them COOL.... or atleast scary.
@@Spot_Faceless-Soldier I didn’t mean they would become a rebel, then it would be like the battlefront 2 campaign and I honestly didn’t like that
@@joris0065 oh no, i wasn't opposing your comment, i was just adding to it.
One thing I wonder is that how can a whole planet of stormtroopers can even hit a girl who randomly found an elegant weapon with their stormtrooper friend, but they hit precise shots on a tin can man with anti-lightsaber armor. Did they literally just devolve.
The issue I have is this:
If stormtroopers have such atrocious aim, there's absolutely *NO* way they would've gained/maintained any sort of dominance.
They don't have bad aim lol
@@f9oeks965 That's literally the point I made
i believe how are they able to dominate the galaxy is thru their sheer numbers. The Empire have billions(or pretty sure trillions) of Stormtroopers
Ever heard about Idk, Korean War? Soviet Union?
numbers
Rouge one was the only Disney movie where stormtroopers were actually shown to lay waste to a large amount of rebels
I think Rogue One did really good with stormtroopers. There was literally a point in the movie where a bunch of death troopers came in and mowed down a bunch of rebels and even some main characters
Yeah, but then they ruined it when the whole squad was murdered by one guy. The stormtroopers were just as useless as always in Disney films.
@@abraham2172 wasn't that to show the power of the force against great odds?
Sadly that is most likely the only movie I felt intimidated by stormtroopers. Maybe solo but that made them just kinda meh
Thank you
@@abraham2172 your right
They sure did ruin them. Scout troops are some of the most accurate marksmen in that have been trained in the empire.
And the only reason they were missing during the speeder chase on Endor is because it's genuinely difficult to hit a moving target, even if, especially if you're moving as well.
Well, stormsnipers are gonna need to be recannonised now to restore the reputation of their aim... alongside storm commandos appearing onscreen.
@@cybergames3436 Anything produced before Disney bought the franchise is canon. Everything after is not.
@@CryosisOfficial ultimately Disney dictates what is canon and we VERY rarely get anything even close to stuff from legends from LEGO, who I'm getting have to atleast mention to Disney what set ideas are, think our last legends set was the rebel sandspeeder?
@@cybergames3436 No. Disney dictates what is canon to their "fan"-fiction (correction: shameless cash-grab) and has no bearing or authority over the true Star Wars that came before.
Rogue One is the only film that Stormtroopers are actually a constant threat.
I loved that in Rogue One.
Me too:)
The best Disney Star Wars movie
@@bemotivated8443 yeah by far. the others had good things in them, (for the most part) but none of the other disney star wars films still came close to rouge one
They all got killed by some girl without any armor and blind monk with kung fu.
Growing up I always thought Stormtroopers were cool, evil Spacecops.
Didn't Disney ever see Troops? I mean they were always awesome to me. Disney just ruined them for no reason.
They can't seem to kill one or two Mando's but somehow they killed a whole conclave off screen. And the badass Weaponsmith just hides and didn't help until after they all dead, WTFen deal with that?!?!
Yeah exactly! They even killed that big guy, who was like unstopable before, but then he was gone offscreen.
@@eliaspeter7689 Big Blue survived. His armour wasn't part of the pile.
I'll always remember the first time i watched TESB and getting literal chills down my spine during the Lando Betrayal scene, where all the stormtroopers appear out of nowhere, surrounding everyone.
Well, atleast when you're good at any of the battlefront games you might be able to be a stormtrooper that isn't completely used for comedic effect.
"We need more troopers like you!"
- Fellow Stormtrooper
Battlefront 2, 2004, pretty good at it, always choose empire side
@@garyredfield1498 same, mained engineer bc shotgun is busted
@@giantlips1462 engineer class is too good as both in Offensive and Support
@@garyredfield1498 I was really proficient at taking over the Citadel on that snowy planet with the jump-pack trooper in under 60 seconds...or just a couple a minutes. i grew sad when realized no one playing on the servers anymore 😥
As I tend to say, the more opposing your villains are, even the grunts, the more appealing it is for the heroes to take them down.
Another thing that always bothered me was how awful at flying the First Orders Tie Fighter Pilots were. There is no conceivable way that Rey could ever hope to outfly not only one but two of them. Again, they have been trained basically from BIRTH. They may as well have been born in a cockpit. I don’t care how good of a pilot Poe thinks he is, there’s no way he could shoot down like 20 tie fighters in a row.
Same goes with the First Order stormtroopers themselves. They should genuinely be some of the best marksman in the galaxy, seeing as they also may as well have been born with a blaster in their hands. It makes absolutely no sense how they would miss any shots at all
I think you're thinking of the clone stormtroopers, those were the ones trained from birth. The NO stormtroopers were kids when they were brought or taken, as Finn tells them. They still should be better shots though.
Storm troopers were not trained from birth. Wayyyy to many ppl think the Clone Troopers and Storm Troopers are one on the same when that couldn’t be further from the truth.
@@supermccnasty4176 I’m talking about first order stormtroopers not imperial. And fine, they were taken at a very very very early age, so early that Finn has absolutely no memory of his family or early life, only that he was taken
DUDE I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS I GET SO MAD WHEN POE BLOWS UP ALL THE TIE FIGHTERS LIKE THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN
Well-said. What's the point in giving these troopers a back story if it doesn't matter?
I would love to hear ya’lls feedback from this idea. It’s an idea for a Star Wars show (that I doubt would ever happen) but for those who know what the show Band of Brothers is, it would be much like that. It would be centered around a stormtrooper squad that would face battle similar to the ones in the beginning of solo with the mud troopers. You would get to know each squad member and keep in mind these are just normal storm troopers, not super soldiers. Members would die each episode and they would be able to actually achieve victory. They would win and lose with each one coming with consequences of the characters you watched being killed off. This show would humanize stormtroopers, show that they aren’t mumbling bafoons, and show that death is a very real thing that can happen to protagonist and characters alike. The show would focus around one specific person, but rather the whole squad. Thoughts?
The 2003 clones wars series did something similar
Frankly I don’t care what kind of show it is I just want one from either the empire or separatist point of view because many people just think of them as robots or cannon fodder when their people ok not the cis but the stormtroopers are people they have emotions and I really loved what squadrons did and let you be a tie pilot
So, kind of a Saving Private FN-1142? Would actually enjoy that... if it wasn't made by Disney.
When you heart every comment, noone is special.
Exactly
Vito's love IS SPECIAL by itself
I love you Vito! nohomo
Who is this Noone guy I keep seeing named?
Peter Noone is pretty special, from rock classics like "I'm Henry VIII" to bubblegum pop songs like "Something Tells Me".
That's when you play the precarious game of saying obviously offensive things to see if he hearts them...
I hope Disney starts treating stormtroopers seriously because I'm that fan who is constantly explaining to my friends why in any given instance the stormtroopers aren't just reckless buffoons
Same
Same here while everyone is rooting for the rebels when they kill stormtroopers I'm the only one hurting on the inside
When I first saw Finn in part one of the sequel trilogy, I was super hyped to see a former Stormtrooper as a part of the new main cast or maybe even the main character. And then it turned out the main character was some entirely uninteresting Mary Sue and Finn was quickly turned into comic relief for no reason.
When I first saw the trailers I thought Finn was going to be the Jedi not rey
Only to be trained by Gary Stu
This is what i enjoyed about Rogue One, it was gritty and gave stormtroopers a purpose, they had effective aim, even against the main characters, with death troopers being the top of the line, hitting every shot.
ummmm no
Death troopers missed a little bit... And all of them were killed by fat Asian dude
@@Dire_Pack lol I honestly think that Rogue One is the worst example of how to write bad guys.
The worst moment being when Jyn grabs a storm trooper's gun and he just falls off a platform to his death. Just because she grabbed his gun too hard. 😂That's what killed him.
It's also fascinating how it takes the empire a few minutes to shoot a woman who's pointing a gun at a leader. WOW
Someone should tell Disney: "when you don't know how to write bad guys think of what the soviets would do."
@@FriendlyCroock and how a squad of stormtroopers were wiped out by a single imperial droid.
A blind guy beating the shit out of them.
And fat dude unloading an entire mag into a squad?!
Also, notice how in EVERY STAR WARS MOVIE/SHOW/ANYTHING THAT STORMTROOPERS ARE THE LAST ONES TO START SHOOTING? THEY ALSO CANT WALK AND SHOOT AT THE SAME TIME?! OR USE COMMON SENSE AS TO NOT CHARGE AT ENEMIES WITHOUT PROVIDING COVER FIRE?!
Disney doesn't know how war works... They have no idea how combat works and only know how to make the enemy seem incompetent.
Even worse when you realize that the Stormtroopers that they use as enemies are actually special forces basically! And that the special forces everyone thinks is the special forces (death troopers) are actually the Elite special forces branch!
We need a show called “Stormtroopers” or “Rise of the Empire” that shows that stormtroopers are actually good soldiers and that the empire isn’t just a joke.
The Empire isn't a joke but yes the stormtroopers are really dumb in the mandalorian.
I actually want to make a show called "Star Wars: Empire" that would essentially be an anthology series that follows various types of troopers gaining victory against all odds
They should make a TV series about Inferno Squad
@@f-22raptorlandingzone30 a show!?
Like the TH-cam series troopers where its a cops spoof
REAL TALK: Rogue One is the only Disney property that had stakes and I felt something.
The death troopers were no joke, they KILLED K2SO and other characters.
Rouge One is still the best.
Death troopers were the biggest joke of rogue one when Baze Malbus shot all of them with his huge repeating blaster but one of them dropped a grenade that killed him. Stormtroopers killed better than death troopers in that film.
@Fairfax i mean yea but it was still good and they couldnt really do anything about that
@Fairfax I’d say that’s rebel’s fault though, no?
@@Grandof-the-PentastarAlignment Remember right when the Deathtroopers show up, they literally wiped out all of the remaining Rebel Forces in seconds and corner the few remaining characters, I do agree Baze being able to wipe them all out was pretty stupid but their entrance and wiping out the rebels was pretty badass.
@@taxult I mean, at that point it was pretty clear that the Force was playing silly buggers on those poor troopers something fierce.
Random commando gets blown away for barely sticking his neck outta cover, and then Chirrut just goes for a walk across the field and everything misses him? Pretty obvious that the game was rigged there.
Honestly I’m pretty unsatisfied with the treatment of stormtroopers throughout Star Wars, just like you. Actually I’m a big fan of the uncommon trope of a committed low rank enemy soldier that puts up a better fight than most of the villains around him.
You know the one truck driving Nazi and random plane mechanic at the end of the Egypt act in “Indiana Jones, Raiders of the Lost Ark.” that’s it, that’s what I’m talking ‘bout. We need that in Star Wars a little more often.
I dont like that storm troopers are basically just canon fodder. But they were established that way from day 1 so.... youd kinda have to rewrite the entire saga if you wanna have some excellent troopers. Even rare ones.
@@sailcvl3976 You're not smart.
@Ulfang999 Yep. Problem?
@@vietcongwarlord6931 hes saying you’re not smart either
@@sailcvl3976 He thought he was.
Fun fact: In A new hope, Stormtroopers were under orders to intentionally miss, to let the rebels escape.
he mentions that in the video
I've always dreamed of stormtroopers having the same treatment by the fans as the clonetroopers.
One day, my friend. It will happen. For a brief and beautiful moment, fans respected them with the rise of Nines, AKA TR-8R.
@GrantKP Well they always go with "sTorMTrooPeRs ArEn'T cLoNes" and act like they're terrible at aiming and all that other nonsense.
Clone troopers?
Don’t you mean overrated pieces of plot armor clad merchandise?
@@flynnscommentary9353 Hold up. Take that back.
@@flynnscommentary9353 It's treason, then.
Honestly i would have loved to see a storm trooper rebellion. Like a huge number of them looking up to FIn and just straight up turning on the empire.
Realizing that they keep getting treated like shit. And have nothing to acualy lose from a rebellion.
But i guess that is way to complex and original for a disney star-wars film. Bad guys go boom is what the normie audience wants.
That was in the original script for Rise of Skywalker before JJ Abrams took over
That fucking thing writes itself, innit??
@@vito really holy shit Disney fucked up
*But my healthcare!*
You forgot to mention Leia was shot by a stormtrooper on Endor.
Also, IG-88's sacrifice is lessened terribly by the threat being just stormtroopers. They probably could have just walked through it and somehow the stormtroopers whoopsie themselves in to the lava.
That wasn't IG 88, that's a specific droid, though he was an ig unit
That was IG-11
Never forget the Stormtrooper that was able to hit not just one, BUT two protagonists
BTW In the first ever movie, stormtroopers were told not to shoot the main characters because the empire needed them so they could track down the rebels and find their base
If anything, that makes their aim even more impressive, as they are accurate enough to make it look convincing in the moment without worrying about accidentally shooting our heroes.
Phase 1 clone: oh boy, I sure do love looking like this, this armor isn’t very comfortable tho.
George Lucas: I can change that
Phase 2 clone: wait... what?
Stormtrooper: this isn’t actually too bad, although I have bad aim now. I kinda like this though. I hope I do not get oversimplified.
Disney: hello, we have taken over and have decided to make you more *Merchandise Friendly*
Stormtrooper: what..
FO Stormtrooper: why am I happy and smooth now
Sith trooper: Red was never my color, also why is my helmet geometric
Red happy triangle: stop please
Red circle
Red dot
At least stormtroopers are more famous than clone troopers hehe
@@markgeorge2200 that depends on who you ask
@@Sgt-lott10 I agree with your point but even non star wars fans can recognize a stormtrooper. The prequel trilogy was hated when it released and since then mostly fans like them now though they are good. Stormtroopers are from the original movie everyone knows what they are.
@@markgeorge2200 and even a non Star Wars fan can recognize a clone helmet, also revenge of the sith was a hit when it released
@@Sgt-lott10 It was but face it stormtroopers are much more iconic than clones.
I mean, this problem originated in Rebels, not The Mandalorian.
We should've seen it comming
still owned by disney
At least they’re competent in Mandalorian (I can’t say the same with Rebels though)
it originated in the original trilogy. other than the first scene, stormtroopers miss practically every shot. it's a space opera, not a war film series
@@donnovandalusong266 Competent? Did you watch this video at all? This whole video was basically explaining how incompetent the stormtroopers are in the Mandolariorian.
I like the mandalorian but i agree on this stormtroopers and the empire in general constantly being portrayed as incompetent fools, is so boring HOW are these fools keeping regions under their fist when they suck so much??
My eyes rolled so hard when 2 scout troopers crashed into eachother for no reason in a mandalorian episode, id love a show where they are acctually good, and a threat like the clone troopers.
Yeah that was such an unnecessary shot. I have no idea why they included that crash.
At least there’s dark troopers
That's why the Death Troopers in R1 were so good. A villain- with GREAT design- you had to respect and who would hit what they were shooting at...
We understand they’re goons, but even goons need to be threatening for the heroes’ actions to be meaningful. Otherwise it’s like a bunch of competent adults beating up children.
The officers have noticeably slipped as well. Remember how hyper-competent Piett was? Or how the Star Destroyers could counter despite being blindsided? It made it thrilling when the heroes won, because they were going up against competent villains.
Well, this is post-Endor Empire. The old lore had it that most of the best Stormtroopers are dead or retired (in the case of the 501st Legion) and most warlords resorted to just taking Imperial Army Troopers (the Empire's actual cannon fodder) and putting them Stormtrooper armor. The only major exceptions are Grand Admiral Thrawn (who had control of Vader's Fleet Death Squadron and some of the best Stormtroopers as a result and cloned them to boost his numbers) Warlord Zjsini (who created Stormtrooper type unit call the Raptor Commandos) and Ambassador Furgan (who still had control of the Stormtrooper Academy of Cardia). Moff Gideon is a normal fish in a small pond. Dude doesn't even have a Star Destroyer for a flagship so he isn't a blip on the New Republic's radar.
This explains why, despite its story flaws, the battles in Rogue One were so engaging. Both the rebels and empire were portrayed as capable and willing to kill each other in battle. As a result, each encounter held actual tension....and meaning.
Expansion Universe Lore:Actually Storm troopers are excellent in shooting ,especially scout troopers who are experts in sharp shooting and sniping,and Storm Trooper armor acts the same as Bescar armor but can't resist Light-Saber attack.
Thank you! Legends Stormtroopers were badass.
I wouldn't say exactly the same, but still. In legends, it generally takes a while lot more than low-energy blasters to punch through Stormtrooper armor. Hell, the Imperial Handbook says their wrist armor is reinforced to aid in deflecting vibro-blades in close quarters combat. I'd actually like to see something like that. Maybe have some character think they'll just very easily cut through them, only for the first Trooper to swat away their blade and shoot them full auto at point blank range?
Storm trooper armor doesnt act anything like bescar, it disperses the bolt and stuns the trooper inside so the empire was able to reuse their same troopers multiple times.
Yes the Stormtroopers in the EU are ruthless, competent, intelligent, deadly, and terrifying. In the Disney Canon, they were treated as garbage, jokes, and incompetent. Disney doesn't get the stormtroopers as accurate as they should be.
Stormtroopers didn't act like Beskar in Legends, but it could deflect several power levels of blaster shots when they hit at certain angles. Some weaker plasters that hit more straight on got partially absorbed by the armor, the rest melted into it creating deeper scorch marks and carbon scoring, but another shot in the same spot would go through and most likely kill the Stormtrooper. Scout troopers died more easily due to less robust armor in favour of increased mobility.
But overall, EU/Legends Stormtroopers were less goffy and more intelligent and a credible threat. Disneytroopers.... you just want to delete them, dontcha. Just seeing them makes me cringe because they're as stupid as the brainless non-human woke drones screaming on Twitter.
we need something like a stormtrooper band of brothers sort of show. i would totally watch that.
That would be awesome, training to the end of the war
Hell yeah, I'd love to watch a show in the point of view of a stormtrooper or multiple stormtroopers.
They could make a series about the 501st legion
They got something similar with clones coming out
Me too
9:13 its likly they killed about more than 10 thousand storm troopers. As the dead troopers horror comic says "Theres only 12 life forces, not the minimum 10 Thousand needed for operation"
Stormtroopers: **elite fighting force of highly trained soldiers proficient in sharpshooting, advanced squad tactics, complex boarding maneuvers, and survival behind enemy lines**
Also Stormtroopers: **can't function as a squad; can't shoot straight with weapons they've spent countless hours training with; armor is made of Saltine crackers; getting beaten by hillbilly terrorists wielding hand-me-down military hardware and idiot teddy bears who have two sticks and a rock**
like USA in vietnam and afghanistan
And the teddy bears had to SHARE the rock.
And they had to share the rock, these pocket bears
I mean, yes they are teddy bears.
But insanely strong, man eating teddy bears.
Even in armor, a rock to the head will transfer impact and force.
When you do some research, these teddy bears are actually quite durable, they have a lot of muscle for their size and are especially dangerous in packs. (No sh*t sherlock) So the fact that the troopers got rekt by ewoks shouldnt be the most surprising, not only that but ewoks know their lands and the troopers dont, same situation happened in Vietnam, drafted soldiers went into unknown territory and got slaughtered by the vietcong because they actually knew how their home worked.
YESSS! that one episode where the guy is like “my fellow stormtroopers all died!”
And then kills a whole base of them after they were humanized.
“Damnit!”
Totally agreeing with you here. Stormtroopers were never portrayed as horribly incompetent as they were in the sequels or in the general media landscape. You have to mind though: In the first movie, the stormtroopers were ordered to let the prisoners escape, so they could find the secret rebel base. A risky plan, as Tarkin said.
edit: Ok, you analysed it correctly, I really should watch the video first and then comment.
Agree
@Otto Barenbrug IMO I'd sacrifice some cheesy humor for actual tension in the show
You should have talked about Star Wars Rebels because Its the show where Stormtroopers are in the peak of their humiliation, at least Mandalorians got their OPness justified but not a small group of rebels
That's one of the major issues I have with that show: It took what used to be an out-of-universe misconception and made it part of the lore, which makes a sane person wonder how the Empire was able to survive for so long if such inaccurate aim was common knowledge among its citizens.