You are my favourite youtube Watch reviewer of all time. I could watch your videos the whole day because you are Human. Real. Technical. Knowledgable. And you respect your audience. Hats off for you!
Thank you for your feedback. Much appreciated, and yes I do - There's more knowledge about watches among my viewers than I have in my head, so I am mindful that I am not the expert. They are 😊😊
As someone with a 30 plus watch collection, If you really want a Rolex, You won’t be happy with a Tudor or a Sinn. I own Rolex and Tudor I wear the Tudors way more. I don’t think my current Rolex is better. Quality is good in many brands now. But I bought it as a milestone in my business path. This particular one was a replacement after some watches were stolen from a house burglary in 2019. Buy what you like - I love my Squale’s. Love my 1521. but if you really want a Rolex. Just buy one.
This is true. Fall back watches are never going to bring the same joy. It is great though to know that there are good options at there in almost all price points 😃😃
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch yes, it’s important that people with different price points can get great watches. I have some very expensive watches, but I seem to have developed an affinity with Squale, discounts are available and 800 pounds will put a very well made beautiful divers watch on your wrist. One in which you can be proud of.
I have dozens of watches. I got my 104 St Sa last June to celebrate a milestone. I've worn the Sinn 6/7 days per week since then. Like, I have to convince myself to wear one of the other 50 that have now been relegated to drawer dwelling. Even my 1-of-1 mods that I really like. Got a 556i RS on the way. After yrs. of collecting, I've found my niche: German "automatic" tool watches. Buy what ya like, *wear* what you buy.
@@8AP1 Same Problem with my (white) 104. The stem tends to get stuck. Had to send mine back for warranty repair. The Problem is still there but now manageable. That aside, the watch keeps excellent time and is an absolute joy to look at.
As a newer watch collector, there is so much to learn. I really appreciate your in depth perspectives. I always walk away with something interesting to think about. Cheers!
Why do you only have 7.34 subs ... Your perspective, I'm my opinion, is most often so spot on ... Been referring you to people I know ... Keep the good content coming sir ...
We can tell - you truly are very entertaining. As a relatively recent subscriber, I look forward to watching your channel grow exponentially.@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
Let's face it, nobody wears a Rolex because of quality. They buy a Rolex to make a statement and say hey look at me. That's a fact. A seiko turtle will do what any Rolex can do, but at the end of the day it's a seiko.
The Sinn uses a top grade Selita movement unlike other brands and it is regulated in=house so its very accurate and has been found to be within COSC tolerances
@eurovnik no , regulated means regulated even if you did it yourself at home .just need the tools . It's actually pretty easy to regulate most movements too as long as you don't have shakey hands .
This was probably the most intellectual approach to watch collecting and watch reviewing I've ever seen. You make some very well argumented points, several of which I myself have been pondering for years. You've earned yourself a subscriber.
Fully agree! Just recently sold my grey Omega PO in titanium in favour of a Tudor Pelagos FXD MN. Latter is much more comfy (slimmer), has better crown guards and after only three years the bezel of the Omega had some play (although only a mm up and down). The Tudor is half the price (400m less WR I don't need anyway and now white gold hands) but serves me much better as a sports watch ..
@@SIZZO76 No it's not. Tudor has been around for many decades. They have a rich history of watchmaking, along with Rolex. That's like saying Honda is a fake Acura.
@@davidwells3766 I can. I just find other watch brands more interesting. I've owned Grand Seikos, Seikos, Longines, Tissot, Orient, and other microbrands. I'm not really into dive watches. I prefer simple, vintage inspired dress watches. I think the only Rolex that I would consider owning is the Perpetual Oyster Datejust. If I am going to spend that much money for a watch, I'd rather buy something less common, like a JLC slimline moonphase watch, or an Omega Constellation Globemaster, or a King Seiko reissue, or Breitling Navitimer. Even my Grand Seiko SBGW231 felt nicer than anything Rolex produces. I see Rolex or Rolex clones pretty often. So it just doesn't feel special to me. Rolex is like the Mercedez of the watch world. The kind of watch people buy when they want others to think they have money. People with real money, and who know about watches, are buying JLC, Patek Phillipe, Vacheron Constantin, F.P. Journe, Audemars Piguet, etc.
I agree with everything you say. It's the very reason why i own a wide spread of watches. I'm constantly amazed at what you can buy with as little as 1000 euros.
Great video. I bought a Tudor Black Bay GMT not because it is the " baby brother" to the Rolex but because I actually like the look of the Tudor GMT better than todays Rolex GMT. The Tudor has a more old school classic look where as I think today's Rolex GMT looks blinged out. The newer model with the ceramic bezel (Pepsi) just looks wrong to me. Definity not a fan at the prices Rolex is asking for these days for a sports watch. I think Sinn, Christopher Ward, I'd add Oris and a few others that offer great watches and while still not cheap far better buys in terms of quality vs value over some premium brands.
Excellent video. Was heading towards buying a Rolex but couldn’t get one and the prices then went through the roof. Decided on a Tudor Chrono reverse panda. Have a number of other quality watches around the $2-3000 range that I really like for their quality, movement and look. Diminishing returns when it comes to spending five figures on a watch I think.
Usually I don’t comment yet videos. I make an exception on this as the content is great and worth commenting. If you want a Rolex or a Tudor - go for it but also consider maintenance costs of the watch. The cost of servicing a Daytona is easily the purchase of the Sinn 104. Further on your Daytona will travel around the world and spend half a year in Switzerland … think about that before getting any watch with an in-house movement. A generic Sellita movement can be serviced at your trusted watchmaker for around 200 bucks and the watch shouldn’t stay out longer than two weeks for service.
I went back and forth between the Tudor BB36 and a Monta Noble. I went with a pre owned Noble and saved quite a bit of money but don't feel I compromised other than "brand." But I bought it to keep and it's very well made and finished.
I remember buying my Sinn 556 for just a bit over $1k in 2018. I know everything is relative, but the way prices have gone, I have a lot of trouble calling Sinn entry level anymore.
I’ve been collecting for more than 17 years and I have chosen all three of them. I’ve owned an Explorer II polar, Tudor Balck Bay Steel and Sinn 356, all in my collection at the same time. The Gestalt principal tells us that “the whole is more then the sum of its parts”… analysing specs does not tell the whole story. These are 3 of my favourite brands and really enjoyed owning all of them, but the different tiers in terms of level of finishing, tolerances, quality of the movement is felt when you’ve had real life experience with these watches. All great pieces but the Rolex definitely justifies the price difference (at least at retail). That being said the Explorer II is the only one of the three that is still in my collection.
Exactly. These comparisons are weird and feel a bit random. Does anyone actually consider a YachtMaster, even if it is Ti, a tool? I'd actually just use the regular Sub in this comparison since apparently materials don't seem to matter.
My two cons with the Sinn, a boxy case that tend to get cought in my cuffs and other things, and that polished case that's a scratch magnet. Sold it for an Oris 65 and work perfect for me.
Great video, thanks! Sinn and Tudor still feels quite well priced when compared with Rolex, and Omega to. I have the Ranger and I think its great Bang for the buck still, same with Grand Seiko, their Quartz are just amazing and the finish is outstanding for the price.
I appreciate your thoughtful and well reasoned analysis. I find myself considering brands and models i would not have given a second look at previous to entertaining your opinions. Thank you for that.
As my father used to tell me when he thought I'd spent too much on a product, remember the law of diminishing returns son! You're spot on with your analysis, it's why millions now look at what micro brands are producing. Look at the quality of super clone production, just from an engineering perspective. My friend has a new explorer II, and I have a BB Pro, and looking at them, feeling them, using the crown, under a loop, we cannot see any difference in quality. All brands will squeeze what they can get out of their customers
Spot on. You could extend your argument even further into affordable territory with the Glycine Combat Sub. Similar aesthetics, Sellita-powered and frequently available on sale for around $350.
@@RabbitWatchShop I think that "luxury watch" is just a marketing term. There's very little that separates the Combat Subfrom the higher priced items in this video - slightly finer machine-made case finishing, slightly better movement materials, finishing and regulation. The price differences are mostly explained by the huge marketing budget and expensive dealer distribution model. Rolex in particular can charge what the market can bear which has nothing to do with the costs of production.
My Oak and Oscar Humboldt GMT, which retails at $2k USD, have an amazing bracelet with on the fly micro adjust and a fully articulating, fully milled bracelet. I agree that micro brands and sub $2.5k watches are getting so much better. Great video!
I agree completely. There has never been a better time to be into watches. There are quality offerings up and down the price scale. We are spoiled for choice!
Great perspectives. I agree 100%. My collection is very diverse including Sinn, Tudor, Glashutte Original, Rolex, Squale, Zenith, etc. So fun these days. And dangerous as you rightfully point out. Cheers!
Most 2k watches fall short these days one way or another. I’ve found the 3 - 4k a watch is the sweet spot for me. At that price I’m getting something quite accurate well finished with a nice bracelet and strap from a cool brand giving me a 5 year warranty. I bought a lovely king Seiko LE and a Sinn this year for around the 2k dollar mark and whilst fantastic watches neither are certified / have a 5 year warranty or came on a bracelet :)
I am a Sinn fan and have 11 Sinn watches. Most of them are chronos and yes, I also have the Sinn 104. So to answer the question, when it comes to price-performance ratio, always the Sinn. But if it's about status, then the Rolex. Unfortunately, I don't like the Tudor and I don't find it suitable for everyday use.
Are you a Sinn fan because of the brand or because of the price-performance ratio? If the former then 11 Sinns is proof. If the latter then 11 Sinns doesn't make sense unless you just had to have 11 watches, otherwise for the cost of all those watches you probably could have a high end watch of similar design. I'll assume it's brand loyalty and congratulate you on your commitment.
Thanks for the comment. No, I am generally a watch freak and have about 50 watches, including Rolex, Tudor, Omega and other brands. However, I have most of my watches from Sinn because I like the design, workmanship and functionality of the watches so much. It has to be said, however, that Sinn's prices are also considerably lower than those of Tudor.
I’m not a collector. I have one watch (well at the moment). For years I bought cheaper brands. Then I treated myself to a Tudor. A bit like the difference between getting in a BMW and a Ford: they are both cars they both get from A-B. But somehow in the BMW there is a different feeling of quality. After 18 months of daily beating the Tudor I am just astonished at how well it has stood up, it hasn’t scratched or worn (degraded) like cheaper brands. The accuracy is phenomenal (my GMT does have in-house caliber) I don’t think I’ve reset it in the time I’ve had it, and it’s within seconds. The cheaper brand do offer something but I’d advise those interested not to be taken in by what it looks like new. By the time you’ve had it a few years and not bought half a dozen other things, you’ll have saved money anyway.
Excellent video, as many others have said you deserve more followers. I understand the theory of “if you want a certain watch no other will do” but after lusting for an explorer for years I bought a used oak and Oscar Olmsted and put the money I saved into wearing that Olmsted on multiple trips. Like almost everyone I have limited funds and sometimes you have to stop and think about where they are allocated.
Gonna have to go with the Tudor. Note to Tudor: please drop the following words from the dial … GENEVE and all the words under Pelagos. All those can go on the back of the watch. Thank you. 😀
I own the Submariner 124060, Tudor Pelagos FXD MN21 and Sinn 856 S UTC - the watch l wear the most out of the 3 is the Sinn because it’s the one that is the most under the radar and comfortable to wear out of the 3. However if pressed to choose 1 to keep, it would be the Submariner.
I have only been watching your channel for a few months, but you understand marketing, and so few do. I have been at it for fifty years, collecting and focusing on vintage mechanical-Doxa, Gallet, Jergensen, Paul Ditisheim, etc. I have a couple of Rolex that I don’t care for, as well as Breitling, Ulysse Nardin, Sinn, and odds and ends [Benrus-it is a great hobby]. You are doing it right, of course, but as a Seiko collector, I don’t feel you give us enough love [6139]. And if you could put more names on the screen as you describe them, it would help.
It's interesting to note that Sinn had a retail store in Costa Rica. Unfortunately, they had to close it down due to the pandemic. I found out the hard way when I went to buy a watch and couldn't find the store anywhere. Eventually, someone informed me that it had closed a year ago.
On a slight tangent to this, I’m exploring what La Joux-Perret’s G100/G101 movements are doing for bringing back superlative movements to the third-party market… The implication is that who needs a manufacturer movement to be developed when they can have this thing, with 68 hours of power reserve - everybody wants more power reserve, right? - and in doing so bring down the price of entry for good quality watches. These LJP G100 & G101 are shoe-ins for ETA 2824 and Selitta SW200 (more or less).
Interesting perspective. There is a case to be made for alternatives to Sellita and Plastic powermatic movements. There's also some intercompatibility as far as I recall but not sure to what extent 😃
Sinn watches are sold by quite a few uk on line sellers. Again, really interesting and informative overview on a topic. I'm learning so much about a subject which is new to me. Thank you.
Good day eh? I concur fully, and I have been waiting for this moment in the industry. A parodox of choice, an explosion of tech, and trickle-down effect . That's why I purchased the Tudor idea of the yacht master in the 925 silver BB. Tudor today is very, very good. I did want Sinn for many yrs however they have been in Calgary Canada only a few yrs now and sold-out. Tudor and Rolex offer excellent service in Canada. That has been my experience. I enjoy your vids emensly, its the logic and articulation of thought process that hooks me. Thanks again and Tschuss Starlight
I’m wearing my Sinn 104a right now and it’s a very versatile watch. I’m currently demolishing a kitchen but would not feel weird wearing it to a high social event like polo or yacht racing. I think the Arabic version is very underrated
I was shocked when an ultra affordable Chinese brand offered a watch equipped with Swiss Made BGW9, sapphire, and a solid link screwed bracelet with a fully milled easy adjustable clasp for about $200. When I compared and contrasted this San Martin with my Tudor, I discovered the San Martin really provided all that I needed. And that’s an insane conclusion when the SM is $200, and the Tudor is about $4k. I know several channels that own Rolex, Tudor, Breitling, Omega, etc, and they were as equally impressed with the build quality of SM. In fact, most of them bought and kept their SM watches.
just grab a couple of Seikos and your golden , they are just as accurate as swiss watches and in most cases even better finished at a waaaayy lower price , the only thing seiko sucks at are the clasps on their watches they only provide good clasps on watches around a thousand but you can add a good clasp to anything for 20-35 bucks as long as you have some watch tools .
You're completely right. The costs of production of a mass-produced mechanical watch are incredibly low. It's all really mature technology. SM show how low costs of production really are. Also look at other things that you can buy for $1000 like an iPhone. That is a considerably more complex product that a mechanical watch with lots of recent R&D spend to cover. With brands other than SM you're mostly paying for original design risks/cost, better QC, brand/marketing budget, bricks and mortar distribution network, better after sales and warranty, parts availability for ten years or so. If the watch is Swiss Made, you're paying for slightly higher labour costs, though many Swiss manufacturers are smart at gaming that by employing French or Italian commuter workers and doing as much of the complicated production as possible allowed by the rules in China. E.g. You'll find "Tissot Hong Kong" inside the much-praised PRX's case.
Good video. Sinn never really connected with me, but I am a huge Tudor fan. My BB 58 probably gets the most wrist time out of all my watches, followed by my Speedmaster. Of course I also wear my Seiko diver a fair bit and love it. Don’t have a Rolex yet, but an older 40mm Explorer II polar is on the wish list in the next year or two.
I am a big Sinn fan. Own Rolex classics, but Sinn is a very technical watch. When I purchase mine, it was the only second watch to ever been in space. I am also a big fan of the Tutima and WWII German watches.
I like the comparisons. Think about this: I own a Tudor BB36 S&G with diamond bezel and dial. I am looking at a Rolex Datejust 36 Oystersteel with blue dial and smooth bezel. The cost of the two is less than a Rolex Datejust two tone with diamond bezel & dial.
I have a Tudor Ranger and Sinn 856...question is would I have been better off on saving the money and getting an Omega Speedy as my one and only watch?
I am astonished at the quality of my Black Bay 54. It feels wholly premium. The bezel action is sublime and T-Fit clasp is a dream. The movement looses time when worn and gains when set down, allowing you to regulate with wearing habits. So between Oct - Mar, total gain was +0.9sec - not daily - total. We really do live in an amazing time for watches right now.
In the UK you can purchase a Sinn from a few shops or online direct from Sinn. Personally I'm just dipping my toe into scratching my watch itch, so bought a Sinn 104st sa a, from a local jewelers. Only had it 2 weeks but can't stop looking at it. Doesn't stop me looking at Tudor dive watches though and feeling like I'm betraying Sinn!
I think Farer has a quick adjust system on their bracelets. That tech is a major upgrade and something that will make entry level even better and more usable. I find the democratization of watches exciting.
I owned several Rolex watches throughout my lifetime, but just sold the last one because I had come to the realization that I bought them for the wrong reasons and that they convey a message of wealth that I rather not share with the world. I really like the Pelagos FXD, more so in blue, and I find the price point very attractive. I've never owned a Sinn, but I've own other outsiders, such as a Squale 1521 Satinato in blue, and it's a keeper. Of the three watches you presented, I think the Pelagos is the winner here, offering the best value in regard to brand, quality, and resale value.
I'm in the same boat, have the Tudor BB58, about to buy a SINN 856, Rolex....meh, don't really care for it, they are the Gucci of the watch world, people want them just for show, I want my watches for more
In the UK, you can by a Sinn from a store (and not just online). For example Francis and Gaye jewellers. But the main thrust of your point remains true in that they are still a niche brand known that are relatively unknown except to watch enthusiasts.
I own a Rolex explorer II 40mm and a sinn 104 white face with a leather strap. I enjoy wearing both and respect them for their originality. I also enjoy the fact that only watch enthusiasts will know what a Sinn is. Anyways If you haven’t noticed Sinn 104 have been climbing in price , so I think it was a good buy.
I wanted to love my Sinn but I just don’t. My Christopher Wards get more wrist time, my Omega’s get the most. Ironically my Rolex’s get the least. It’s a never meet your hero’s dynamic. After saving for years the the thought of knocking my Explorer on a door jam and scratching the polish on the bezel is genuinely frightening.
I absolutely love your channel - more than any other, actually. Your videos are interesting, entertaining and highly educational; however, your voice and articulation are what make all your videos pure gold. Are you German or Danish? Keep up the fantastic work and cheers from the U.S. James
Hey, Sinn has an international distribution network. I’m in Australia and bout my Sinn T50 at Define Watches in Noosa QLD. There was a also The Hour Glass in Aus .
I'm blessed to be able to afford these 3 and I still prefer the Zinn. I love the fact it flies under the radar and only watch nerds will know what on earth I am wearing. I prefer that. Plus I simply prefer the style of Zinn watches.
@@brendankeilthy8149Yes. Are you a fan or disagree. I like true tool watches. I'm learning to fly and Zinn just fits my lifestyle better. I skydive too and it just wouldn't feel right jumping out of a plane in my vintage Patek Phillipe Calatrava.
What's your seeing is the price reduction and therefore the accessibility of high quality automated multi-axis CNC milling machinery over the last 30 years, it's allowed finer tolerances for tighter bracelets and more complex cases to be undertaken at lower cost then having a skilled CNC operator standing over the machine.
Grade 2 titanium is pure titanium and grade 5 is an alloy which is I think around 95% titanium and the rest aluminum and vanadium. Grade 2 being lighter but scratches easier. But so far my pelagos don’t scratch any more than my Rolex or grand seiko but it’s much lighter. So grade is not all that bad.
I have owned all three brands. My Sinn GMT chronograph and it was one of my favorite watches., it was accurate, sporty, and quite beautiful. Ultimately sold it because it didn't have a true GMT function.
I sold my Sinn 104 after 2 years of trying to get along with the HLink bracelet with no halflinks available and only three positions in the clasp. Asked them if they intend to improve, answer was not any time soon. But they keep on raising prices, but are falling behind other offerings in the bracelet dept. With quick adjust nowadays doable on €250 Euro bracelets, what a shame Sinn.
Have a look at microbrands. Then you will see great value. I think the microbrand scene is going to get bigger and bigger as more value and originality is to be found there. Have a great one Mike!
My entry was is the Nivada Gretchen Super Antartic watch. With a Leather strap $850.00. It is 25 jewels 28,800 beats . It is Swiss made. It went to the South Pole. It does not copy Rolex
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatchsometimes it feels bland but when I “find” it again I recognise it’s beauty (I don’t know if this makes sense) I wore a 566A for 10 years nearly every day it was simply perfect. I travel a lot and having a watch that most don’t recognise is a lot safer.
Nice video ❤ Got a ezm3 and the 104 in your video. Very nice, only the leather bracelett is a bit unconfortable, due to sharpness. Changed to another Sinn bracelett soon. Love the pelagos fxd, but the larger pelagos 42mm(?) with steel bracelett seems to provide more for my money. Submariner is cult, but the decent design of sinn or even the pelagos does meet my style even more. Comparing to the Tudors price range a EZM 13.1 could be a sexy alternative, too 😊
I think your assessment is accurate, as usual. I'll take a Sinn any day due to their original & unique designs. Through no fault of their own, Rolex has been copies by every name brand company (including Tudor), most every microbrand and every Chinese brand. The look is so pervasive, subs have become boring to me. Speaking of trickle down technology, at least half of Chinese brands offer milled clasps with on the fly diver's extensions today! Oh, I like watches that use off the shelf movements because I can get them repaired anywhere at competitive prices. Love your thoughtful videos!
You're going to find very little disagreement with me here. I am waiting for a Sinn EZM 3F to keep company to my U50. And I am a guy who has owned in excess of 20 Rolex models through the years (still own 6 of them) and a Tudor FXD M.N. that I really enjoy. But when deciding of my next watch, the sheer value proposition of the EZM 3F was too good to pass.
Researched Tudor after finding Rolex too flashy and expensive for a daily driver. Love the Tudor Black Bay Dark I ended up purchasing used. No nonsense design, very accurate timepiece, and doesn't attract the wrong kind of attention.
I love these PFYs dishing out advice on what not to buy. I'd love to see what your sinn looks like after it has had 50 years of constant heavy use (inc work, garden, sea, snow..) like my gmt. All it needs is a service every 10-20 years and it goes on and on...
I have owned Rolex and Omega. I haven't really handled a Tudor yet but again I am sure Rolex is better than Tudor and I can for sure say that Sinn has been by far the best watches I have ever owned. Handled 104, 556a and 556i. All the 3 are amazing for they money you spend, especially in the pre-owned market and they are unique in their own way! They are definitely better than any Swiss brands I have handled.
Sinn make fantastic watches - I never feel like I'm stepping down when I take off a Rolex and strap on a Sinn. BTW, Sinn is available in some Excellent ADs in the UK. Squale is also excellent. I think both Sinn and Squale offer better value than either Seiko or Tudor and are hot on the heels of IWC/Breitling. And the quality delta between Tudor/Longines and Omega/Rolex is shrinking by the day.
I would definitely say you'd be hard pressed not to be able to find a decently well-made watch at almost any price range within the last 10 years at least and moving forward. Whether you want to pay a lot more for the luxury aspects which are I think most intangibles, that's all on the particular buyer. Out of the 3 watch brands, barring the specific models exemplified in your video, I have 2 out of 3 of them. A Tudor BB58 (bronze) and Sinn U50 S BS. I had a vintage Rolex but sold it.. it wasn't all that exciting for me to wear, IMHO.
@@eyeheartsushi2212 I'd say maybe 3 months max. Patina is ok. I'm doing maybe the opposite tactic which is to actually keep it cleaner than not. I'm not trying to patina the entire watch.. just in certain locations.
The difference between grade 5 and 2 is that grade 5 is alloyed and 2 is not. Grade 5 is actually a lot softer. Softer than steel, even. It's easier to machine. The grade numbers have nothing to do with expense or quality. I could use grade 11 and it would be cheaper. It's a material properties classification.
A watchmaker once told me a 40 year old Rolex has a better movement quality, design, engineering than any ETA or salita based movement you’ll find in any watch today. TGV just did a video on the problems of mass produced movements (like plastic parts in the PRX) and tissot even making complete plastic movements in the past. You need to box smart when spending mega bucks.
Good points. I totally agree. The Rolex movement is far and away better than the Sellita. The specific sellita in question though is one that is solid, doesn’t have plastic components and is functionally serviceable. It can last a lifetime. TGV is correct though. More and more modern mechanical movements are being touted as mechanical but are cheap, filled with platic and practically unservicable - the prx movement just gets swapped out if it breaks and warranty. Sad really Thanks for contributing. 😀
Anyone that thinks that Rolex isn’t sat on massive stocks is sadly wrong, we’re gonna see an influx of new old stock hitting the Rolex PreOwned and Rolex cornering the market. Pre owned Rolex are ridiculously expensive and you can get a hell of a lot of bang for your buck with other brands.
Don’t judge ETA on the 2824 alone , the 2892 series are much nicer and we’re good enough for Omega to use for many years. The service of a Rolex by Rolex could be as much as £800 enough to buy a decent watch , be sure all future services of newer Rolex will be in house only as they hold the parts.
I'm pretty sure that Omega used a polymer ( plastic) part known as a Delrin Brake for many years in one of their most revered Speedmaster Moonwatch models. So make of that what you will. Lol.
Sinn is great value. I know that Sinn does have a retail store presence in Japan but not in Australia. As a consequence they are 30% more expensive in Japan.
I think many people has realized that Sinn is a good 'value for money' everyday watch. Like there is an increase in price for the 556 model. And their dive watches are one of the most original non "Submariner' , non 'Blancpain' and non 'Sekio 5' design. At that Sinn price point, I don't have to cry over every scratched or dent I made on my Sinn. Buuuut. I would still like a Rolex....
You are my favourite youtube Watch reviewer of all time. I could watch your videos the whole day because you are Human. Real. Technical. Knowledgable. And you respect your audience. Hats off for you!
Thank you for your feedback. Much appreciated, and yes I do - There's more knowledge about watches among my viewers than I have in my head, so I am mindful that I am not the expert. They are 😊😊
As someone with a 30 plus watch collection, If you really want a Rolex, You won’t be happy with a Tudor or a Sinn. I own Rolex and Tudor I wear the Tudors way more. I don’t think my current Rolex is better. Quality is good in many brands now. But I bought it as a milestone in my business path. This particular one was a replacement after some watches were stolen from a house burglary in 2019. Buy what you like - I love my Squale’s. Love my 1521. but if you really want a Rolex. Just buy one.
This is true. Fall back watches are never going to bring the same joy. It is great though to know that there are good options at there in almost all price points 😃😃
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch yes, it’s important that people with different price points can get great watches. I have some very expensive watches, but I seem to have developed an affinity with Squale, discounts are available and 800 pounds will put a very well made beautiful divers watch on your wrist. One in which you can be proud of.
Same I had a datejust, now a submariner then I have watches I just enjoy a panerai, tag Carerra chrono, and going to buy a Tudor gmt
Exactly
Buy what you love for you not what someone will think of you.....and what you can afford of course 😮
I love my SINN 104. Quality is absolutely stunning.
My point exactly 😀😀
I’ve had nothing but trouble with the stem on my 104. It’s super frustrating because everything else about the watch is so solid.
@@eggsIIyou just got unlucky. What was the issue?
I have dozens of watches. I got my 104 St Sa last June to celebrate a milestone. I've worn the Sinn 6/7 days per week since then. Like, I have to convince myself to wear one of the other 50 that have now been relegated to drawer dwelling. Even my 1-of-1 mods that I really like. Got a 556i RS on the way. After yrs. of collecting, I've found my niche: German "automatic" tool watches. Buy what ya like, *wear* what you buy.
@@8AP1 Same Problem with my (white) 104. The stem tends to get stuck. Had to send mine back for warranty repair. The Problem is still there but now manageable. That aside, the watch keeps excellent time and is an absolute joy to look at.
As a newer watch collector, there is so much to learn. I really appreciate your in depth perspectives. I always walk away with something interesting to think about. Cheers!
I appreciate that! 😀😀
It has never been so easy to get genuinely good watches. And there never were as many good folks around talking about it. Cheers!
Unless it's a Rolex. ;-)
Exactomundo. 😃😃
It's the same with automobiles. Now a days, most new cars are well made, comfortable, quiet, and have all the amenities that you could want.
The Lexus is well made.
@@romanmichaelhamilton8729 True. But now, even the cheapest new car is way better than any car from the 80s.
Exactly. 😀
Why do you only have 7.34 subs ... Your perspective, I'm my opinion, is most often so spot on ... Been referring you to people I know ... Keep the good content coming sir ...
I concur 💯
Very kind of you. Hopefully I'll keep doing things people will want to watch and the number will grow. I'm having fun - that's the important part 😃😃
We can tell - you truly are very entertaining. As a relatively recent subscriber, I look forward to watching your channel grow exponentially.@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch
31 March 2024 today and you are just shy of 30K subscribers! Don’t know anything about YT metrics, but it seems like rapid growth to me.
Let's face it, nobody wears a Rolex because of quality. They buy a Rolex to make a statement and say hey look at me. That's a fact. A seiko turtle will do what any Rolex can do, but at the end of the day it's a seiko.
To some this is very much the case 😀
The Sinn uses a top grade Selita movement unlike other brands and it is regulated in=house so its very accurate and has been found to be within COSC tolerances
Interesting. If it were regulated by a third party company, rather than in-house, would that mean worse accuracy?
saying COSC tolerances means nothing, cheap chinese movements can within them too lol
@eurovnik no , regulated means regulated even if you did it yourself at home .just need the tools . It's actually pretty easy to regulate most movements too as long as you don't have shakey hands .
But they look boring and cheap af
@@ImmortalGaming96 it's all in the eye of the beholder
This was probably the most intellectual approach to watch collecting and watch reviewing I've ever seen. You make some very well argumented points, several of which I myself have been pondering for years. You've earned yourself a subscriber.
Welcome aboard (and thank you) 😀😀😀
Fully agree! Just recently sold my grey Omega PO in titanium in favour of a Tudor Pelagos FXD MN. Latter is much more comfy (slimmer), has better crown guards and after only three years the bezel of the Omega had some play (although only a mm up and down). The Tudor is half the price (400m less WR I don't need anyway and now white gold hands) but serves me much better as a sports watch ..
@@SIZZO76 No it's not. Tudor has been around for many decades. They have a rich history of watchmaking, along with Rolex. That's like saying Honda is a fake Acura.
@@SIZZO76tudor hater spotted, someone is mad that Tudor is bringing exceptional quality watches to the market at a reasonable price with grey designs
@@SIZZO76 Yawn... such a creative reply. Must have taken you hours to come up with that. I don't even own Rolex or Tudor.
@@davidwells3766 I can. I just find other watch brands more interesting. I've owned Grand Seikos, Seikos, Longines, Tissot, Orient, and other microbrands. I'm not really into dive watches. I prefer simple, vintage inspired dress watches. I think the only Rolex that I would consider owning is the Perpetual Oyster Datejust. If I am going to spend that much money for a watch, I'd rather buy something less common, like a JLC slimline moonphase watch, or an Omega Constellation Globemaster, or a King Seiko reissue, or Breitling Navitimer. Even my Grand Seiko SBGW231 felt nicer than anything Rolex produces. I see Rolex or Rolex clones pretty often. So it just doesn't feel special to me. Rolex is like the Mercedez of the watch world. The kind of watch people buy when they want others to think they have money. People with real money, and who know about watches, are buying JLC, Patek Phillipe, Vacheron Constantin, F.P. Journe, Audemars Piguet, etc.
@@SIZZO76no. Tudor is an amazing watch with prices of omega and alike. Stop spamming
I agree with everything you say. It's the very reason why i own a wide spread of watches. I'm constantly amazed at what you can buy with as little as 1000 euros.
Spot on 👍👍👍
Great video. I bought a Tudor Black Bay GMT not because it is the " baby brother" to the Rolex but because I actually like the look of the Tudor GMT better than todays Rolex GMT. The Tudor has a more old school classic look where as I think today's Rolex GMT looks blinged out. The newer model with the ceramic bezel (Pepsi) just looks wrong to me. Definity not a fan at the prices Rolex is asking for these days for a sports watch.
I think Sinn, Christopher Ward, I'd add Oris and a few others that offer great watches and while still not cheap far better buys in terms of quality vs value over some premium brands.
Totally agree with you, I own Rolex’s, breitling and Tudor. And the Tudor Gmt is never off my wrist.
@@Phil5150Bowerthe Tudor GMT with opaline dial looks great
Thanks a ton 😀
Excellent video. Was heading towards buying a Rolex but couldn’t get one and the prices then went through the roof. Decided on a Tudor Chrono reverse panda. Have a number of other quality watches around the $2-3000 range that I really like for their quality, movement and look. Diminishing returns when it comes to spending five figures on a watch I think.
Pleased you enjoyed the vid 😀
Sinn is sold in Singapore by Hourglass which also distributes Rolex, Tudor, GP, Omega among other brands.
They’re everywhere and I never noticed 😀
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch Because their marketing is trash. Unworthy even, for the great timepieces they sell.
Great video! I found your talks very insightful, definitely stands out among the millions of YT watch channels.
Appreciate that ❤️😀
Usually I don’t comment yet videos. I make an exception on this as the content is great and worth commenting.
If you want a Rolex or a Tudor - go for it but also consider maintenance costs of the watch. The cost of servicing a Daytona is easily the purchase of the Sinn 104. Further on your Daytona will travel around the world and spend half a year in Switzerland … think about that before getting any watch with an in-house movement. A generic Sellita movement can be serviced at your trusted watchmaker for around 200 bucks and the watch shouldn’t stay out longer than two weeks for service.
Thanks for taking the time to comment. IT's really appreciated 😃😃
I went back and forth between the Tudor BB36 and a Monta Noble. I went with a pre owned Noble and saved quite a bit of money but don't feel I compromised other than "brand." But I bought it to keep and it's very well made and finished.
Always follow your heart. Don't let the watch snobs tell you otherwise.
@@nerychristian never have cared my dude
That's the way to go. Buy what you like. Always 😃😃
As usual very insightful. Still I feel the Tudor looks nice
It has grown on me as well .😃😃
I remember buying my Sinn 556 for just a bit over $1k in 2018. I know everything is relative, but the way prices have gone, I have a lot of trouble calling Sinn entry level anymore.
I’ve been collecting for more than 17 years and I have chosen all three of them. I’ve owned an Explorer II polar, Tudor Balck Bay Steel and Sinn 356, all in my collection at the same time. The Gestalt principal tells us that “the whole is more then the sum of its parts”… analysing specs does not tell the whole story. These are 3 of my favourite brands and really enjoyed owning all of them, but the different tiers in terms of level of finishing, tolerances, quality of the movement is felt when you’ve had real life experience with these watches. All great pieces but the Rolex definitely justifies the price difference (at least at retail). That being said the Explorer II is the only one of the three that is still in my collection.
No doubt. Rolex is head and shoulders ahead of the two others. Sinn you get a good, solid watch but there is more for your money as you go up 😀😀
Nice video and perceptive points. I was surprised to see Sinn watches at a multi-brand store in Hong Kong.
Wow. There as well? Turns out Sinn is everywhere except where I am 😀
You should have chosen the Sinn EZM 3 for this comparison
Fair enough - If it had been RHD, I may have. Dial wise it is really close to the Tudor and Rollie 😃😃
Exactly. These comparisons are weird and feel a bit random. Does anyone actually consider a YachtMaster, even if it is Ti, a tool? I'd actually just use the regular Sub in this comparison since apparently materials don't seem to matter.
My two cons with the Sinn, a boxy case that tend to get cought in my cuffs and other things, and that polished case that's a scratch magnet. Sold it for an Oris 65 and work perfect for me.
Oris 65 is a very cool watch. Good choice 😀😀😀
I was looking at Sinns in a Bangkok Hour glass AD a couple of days ago. I’ve also seen them on display in Singapore.
They’re everywhere and I never noticed 😀🤦♂️
Honestly out of the three I would probably choose the Tudor FXD. Something about its military heritage appeals to me.
It’s a great watch for sure 😀
Great video, thanks! Sinn and Tudor still feels quite well priced when compared with Rolex, and Omega to. I have the Ranger and I think its great Bang for the buck still, same with Grand Seiko, their Quartz are just amazing and the finish is outstanding for the price.
Thanx. 👍👍👍
Same here...Tudor Ranger and Sinn 856.... like them both. Would I like a Rolex or Omega, sure...but I have to eat.
With the yen so low in early 2024, Grand Seiko quartz look like quite a bargain for Americans.
I appreciate your thoughtful and well reasoned analysis. I find myself considering brands and models i would not have given a second look at previous to entertaining your opinions. Thank you for that.
Thanks for sharing! 😀😀
As my father used to tell me when he thought I'd spent too much on a product, remember the law of diminishing returns son! You're spot on with your analysis, it's why millions now look at what micro brands are producing. Look at the quality of super clone production, just from an engineering perspective. My friend has a new explorer II, and I have a BB Pro, and looking at them, feeling them, using the crown, under a loop, we cannot see any difference in quality. All brands will squeeze what they can get out of their customers
Because you don't know how to see it.
🤣🤣@@kuongsam2314
that's exactly what a salesman would say 🤣@@kuongsam2314
We can’t knock them for trying to optimise - but at least we’re informed 😀
Spot on. You could extend your argument even further into affordable territory with the Glycine Combat Sub.
Similar aesthetics, Sellita-powered and frequently available on sale for around $350.
Yeah. I own a Combat Sub 39. While it’s no luxury watch, it does provide everything the common man needs. And does it well.
@@RabbitWatchShop I think that "luxury watch" is just a marketing term.
There's very little that separates the Combat Subfrom the higher priced items in this video - slightly finer machine-made case finishing, slightly better movement materials, finishing and regulation.
The price differences are mostly explained by the huge marketing budget and expensive dealer distribution model.
Rolex in particular can charge what the market can bear which has nothing to do with the costs of production.
See.... Throw a rock and you hit Sellita 😃😃😃
I have the 36mm. It's amazing. Butterfly clasp bracelet is the only downside.
My Oak and Oscar Humboldt GMT, which retails at $2k USD, have an amazing bracelet with on the fly micro adjust and a fully articulating, fully milled bracelet. I agree that micro brands and sub $2.5k watches are getting so much better.
Great video!
Thanks !!! 😃😃
I agree completely. There has never been a better time to be into watches. There are quality offerings up and down the price scale. We are spoiled for choice!
Totally 😀
Great perspectives. I agree 100%. My collection is very diverse including Sinn, Tudor, Glashutte Original, Rolex, Squale, Zenith, etc. So fun these days. And dangerous as you rightfully point out. Cheers!
Thank you. Sounds like you have some bangers in the old watch box 💪💪💪
From the three I would choose the Sinn. At least in Germany you can also buy them in shops.
I’ve also seen them in Bangkok and Singapore. We also have 1 dealer in Australia.
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Absolutely agree! I have a few seikos for now, but I thunk I would rather get 5 $2000 watches than one Rolex for $10000
Most 2k watches fall short these days one way or another. I’ve found the 3 - 4k a watch is the sweet spot for me. At that price I’m getting something quite accurate well finished with a nice bracelet and strap from a cool brand giving me a 5 year warranty. I bought a lovely king Seiko LE and a Sinn this year for around the 2k dollar mark and whilst fantastic watches neither are certified / have a 5 year warranty or came on a bracelet :)
I am a Sinn fan and have 11 Sinn watches.
Most of them are chronos and yes, I also have the Sinn 104.
So to answer the question, when it comes to price-performance ratio, always the Sinn.
But if it's about status, then the Rolex.
Unfortunately, I don't like the Tudor and I don't find it suitable for everyday use.
Are you a Sinn fan because of the brand or because of the price-performance ratio? If the former then 11 Sinns is proof. If the latter then 11 Sinns doesn't make sense unless you just had to have 11 watches, otherwise for the cost of all those watches you probably could have a high end watch of similar design. I'll assume it's brand loyalty and congratulate you on your commitment.
Thanks for the comment.
No, I am generally a watch freak and have about 50 watches, including Rolex, Tudor, Omega and other brands.
However, I have most of my watches from Sinn because I like the design, workmanship and functionality of the watches so much.
It has to be said, however, that Sinn's prices are also considerably lower than those of Tudor.
There a sinn lover for sure 👍👍👍
I’m not a collector. I have one watch (well at the moment).
For years I bought cheaper brands. Then I treated myself to a Tudor.
A bit like the difference between getting in a BMW and a Ford: they are both cars they both get from A-B. But somehow in the BMW there is a different feeling of quality.
After 18 months of daily beating the Tudor I am just astonished at how well it has stood up, it hasn’t scratched or worn (degraded) like cheaper brands. The accuracy is phenomenal (my GMT does have in-house caliber) I don’t think I’ve reset it in the time I’ve had it, and it’s within seconds.
The cheaper brand do offer something but I’d advise those interested not to be taken in by what it looks like new.
By the time you’ve had it a few years and not bought half a dozen other things, you’ll have saved money anyway.
Tudor is mad solid for sure. They’ve led the way in raising the bar in that price range 😀
Now get a Porsche and feel the difference to a BMW.
Love my BB58. It gets the most wrist time of any of my collection.
It does with many - for a reason 😀
You can by Sinn and Damasko in some stores and online in the UK
Thanks for the info. 👍👍👍
Excellent video, as many others have said you deserve more followers.
I understand the theory of “if you want a certain watch no other will do” but after lusting for an explorer for years I bought a used oak and Oscar Olmsted and put the money I saved into wearing that Olmsted on multiple trips.
Like almost everyone I have limited funds and sometimes you have to stop and think about where they are allocated.
Gonna have to go with the Tudor.
Note to Tudor: please drop the following words from the dial … GENEVE and all the words under Pelagos. All those can go on the back of the watch. Thank you. 😀
Fingers crossed that Tudor reads my comments 😀😀
I own the Submariner 124060, Tudor Pelagos FXD MN21 and Sinn 856 S UTC - the watch l wear the most out of the 3 is the Sinn because it’s the one that is the most under the radar and comfortable to wear out of the 3.
However if pressed to choose 1 to keep, it would be the Submariner.
I hear you for sure 😀
I have only been watching your channel for a few months, but you understand marketing, and so few do. I have been at it for fifty years, collecting and focusing on vintage mechanical-Doxa, Gallet, Jergensen, Paul Ditisheim, etc. I have a couple of Rolex that I don’t care for, as well as Breitling, Ulysse Nardin, Sinn, and odds and ends [Benrus-it is a great hobby]. You are doing it right, of course, but as a Seiko collector, I don’t feel you give us enough love [6139]. And if you could put more names on the screen as you describe them, it would help.
It's interesting to note that Sinn had a retail store in Costa Rica. Unfortunately, they had to close it down due to the pandemic. I found out the hard way when I went to buy a watch and couldn't find the store anywhere. Eventually, someone informed me that it had closed a year ago.
On a slight tangent to this, I’m exploring what La Joux-Perret’s G100/G101 movements are doing for bringing back superlative movements to the third-party market… The implication is that who needs a manufacturer movement to be developed when they can have this thing, with 68 hours of power reserve - everybody wants more power reserve, right? - and in doing so bring down the price of entry for good quality watches. These LJP G100 & G101 are shoe-ins for ETA 2824 and Selitta SW200 (more or less).
Interesting perspective. There is a case to be made for alternatives to Sellita and Plastic powermatic movements. There's also some intercompatibility as far as I recall but not sure to what extent 😃
Sinn watches are sold by quite a few uk on line sellers. Again, really interesting and informative overview on a topic. I'm learning so much about a subject which is new to me. Thank you.
Good day eh? I concur fully, and I have been waiting for this moment in the industry. A parodox of choice, an explosion of tech, and trickle-down effect . That's why I purchased the Tudor idea of the yacht master in the 925 silver BB.
Tudor today is very, very good. I did want Sinn for many yrs however they have been in Calgary Canada only a few yrs now and sold-out. Tudor and Rolex offer excellent service in Canada. That has been my experience.
I enjoy your vids emensly, its the logic and articulation of thought process that hooks me.
Thanks again and Tschuss
Starlight
The 925 is very attractive.
Thanks as always - Interesting about Sinn and Canada. Glad you keeping coming back for more 😃😃
I’m wearing my Sinn 104a right now and it’s a very versatile watch. I’m currently demolishing a kitchen but would not feel weird wearing it to a high social event like polo or yacht racing. I think the Arabic version is very underrated
I was shocked when an ultra affordable Chinese brand offered a watch equipped with Swiss Made BGW9, sapphire, and a solid link screwed bracelet with a fully milled easy adjustable clasp for about $200. When I compared and contrasted this San Martin with my Tudor, I discovered the San Martin really provided all that I needed. And that’s an insane conclusion when the SM is $200, and the Tudor is about $4k.
I know several channels that own Rolex, Tudor, Breitling, Omega, etc, and they were as equally impressed with the build quality of SM. In fact, most of them bought and kept their SM watches.
Bgw9 is a type of lume. What movement in your SM?
just grab a couple of Seikos and your golden , they are just as accurate as swiss watches and in most cases even better finished at a waaaayy lower price , the only thing seiko sucks at are the clasps on their watches they only provide good clasps on watches around a thousand but you can add a good clasp to anything for 20-35 bucks as long as you have some watch tools .
@@KaranNair123 I’m aware. A solid NH35A is therein the case.
@@bigbodykarate6403 Agreed. Have two stock Seiko’s. And I have two mods, including an SKX013 and what I call a 5KX013 (5KX turned into a real diver).
You're completely right. The costs of production of a mass-produced mechanical watch are incredibly low. It's all really mature technology. SM show how low costs of production really are.
Also look at other things that you can buy for $1000 like an iPhone. That is a considerably more complex product that a mechanical watch with lots of recent R&D spend to cover.
With brands other than SM you're mostly paying for original design risks/cost, better QC, brand/marketing budget, bricks and mortar distribution network, better after sales and warranty, parts availability for ten years or so.
If the watch is Swiss Made, you're paying for slightly higher labour costs, though many Swiss manufacturers are smart at gaming that by employing French or Italian commuter workers and doing as much of the complicated production as possible allowed by the rules in China. E.g. You'll find "Tissot Hong Kong" inside the much-praised PRX's case.
Good video. Sinn never really connected with me, but I am a huge Tudor fan. My BB 58 probably gets the most wrist time out of all my watches, followed by my Speedmaster. Of course I also wear my Seiko diver a fair bit and love it. Don’t have a Rolex yet, but an older 40mm Explorer II polar is on the wish list in the next year or two.
Fingers crossed you get yourself an explorer soon 👍👍
When I get my Sinn ST 903 II Ice Blue this summer - I will know for sure.
I am a big Sinn fan. Own Rolex classics, but Sinn is a very technical watch. When I purchase mine, it was the only second watch to ever been in space. I am also a big fan of the Tutima and WWII German watches.
I like the comparisons. Think about this: I own a Tudor BB36 S&G with diamond bezel and dial. I am looking at a Rolex Datejust 36 Oystersteel with blue dial and smooth bezel. The cost of the two is less than a Rolex Datejust two tone with diamond bezel & dial.
Without a second thought, the Sinn. 😊
That’s the spirit 😀😀
I have a Tudor Ranger and Sinn 856...question is would I have been better off on saving the money and getting an Omega Speedy as my one and only watch?
Not a question I can answer. Only you know 😊
I am astonished at the quality of my Black Bay 54. It feels wholly premium.
The bezel action is sublime and T-Fit clasp is a dream.
The movement looses time when worn and gains when set down, allowing you to regulate with wearing habits. So between Oct - Mar, total gain was +0.9sec - not daily - total.
We really do live in an amazing time for watches right now.
In the UK you can purchase a Sinn from a few shops or online direct from Sinn. Personally I'm just dipping my toe into scratching my watch itch, so bought a Sinn 104st sa a, from a local jewelers. Only had it 2 weeks but can't stop looking at it. Doesn't stop me looking at Tudor dive watches though and feeling like I'm betraying Sinn!
At some point I had eliminated Sinn from my “must have” brand list, but this video is making me look at Sinn, again. 😂😂😂
My mission is accomplished 😂😂
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch LOL
Me too but the stamped clasp scares me
I think Farer has a quick adjust system on their bracelets. That tech is a major upgrade and something that will make entry level even better and more usable. I find the democratization of watches exciting.
I owned several Rolex watches throughout my lifetime, but just sold the last one because I had come to the realization that I bought them for the wrong reasons and that they convey a message of wealth that I rather not share with the world.
I really like the Pelagos FXD, more so in blue, and I find the price point very attractive. I've never owned a Sinn, but I've own other outsiders, such as a Squale 1521 Satinato in blue, and it's a keeper.
Of the three watches you presented, I think the Pelagos is the winner here, offering the best value in regard to brand, quality, and resale value.
Great topic and info. Just discovered your channel and subscribed. I have a U50 and BB41 and Rolex not on my radar TBH.
Welcome aboard! Thanks 😀😀
I'm in the same boat, have the Tudor BB58, about to buy a SINN 856, Rolex....meh, don't really care for it, they are the Gucci of the watch world, people want them just for show, I want my watches for more
The looks of the Sinn is great. Pretty sure is a well made piece.
If there's one thing you usually can't the germans for, it'll be build quality 😃😃😃
In the UK, you can by a Sinn from a store (and not just online). For example Francis and Gaye jewellers. But the main thrust of your point remains true in that they are still a niche brand known that are relatively unknown except to watch enthusiasts.
Thanks 😃😃
There is one AD in the US but I wouldn’t buy anything from them.
@@TradDad2019 but the import duties kill you when retuning to the USA. No win situation for Americans.
I own both Rolex and Tudor. If I'm perfectly honest, I prefer the Tudor.
I own a Rolex explorer II 40mm and a sinn 104 white face with a leather strap. I enjoy wearing both and respect them for their originality. I also enjoy the fact that only watch enthusiasts will know what a Sinn is. Anyways If you haven’t noticed Sinn 104 have been climbing in price , so I think it was a good buy.
I bought two Rolex watches new and below retail. I would never buy a still produced watch above retail.
Financially a sound approach for the most part 😀
Two takes from my last travels abroad: There is a Sinn Boutique in Tokyo (Shibuya), and a Sinn AD in Singapore Airport.
I wanted to love my Sinn but I just don’t. My Christopher Wards get more wrist time, my Omega’s get the most. Ironically my Rolex’s get the least. It’s a never meet your hero’s dynamic. After saving for years the the thought of knocking my Explorer on a door jam and scratching the polish on the bezel is genuinely frightening.
Ha ha. I had that woth the submariner. Ended up selling it because it did nothing for me 😀
I absolutely love your channel - more than any other, actually. Your videos are interesting, entertaining and highly educational; however, your voice and articulation are what make all your videos pure gold. Are you German or Danish? Keep up the fantastic work and cheers from the U.S. James
Thank you - Appreciated.
South African born. Global citizen. Live in denmark. 😊
Sinn desperately needs a better clasp
So true 😀
They allready made a new clasp 😊
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Hey, Sinn has an international distribution network. I’m in Australia and bout my Sinn T50 at Define Watches in Noosa QLD. There was a also The Hour Glass in Aus .
Excellent video👍, I am a Tudor fan
Right on! 😀
I couldn’t agree more with your take here. Another great video.
Glad you enjoyed it😀
I'm blessed to be able to afford these 3 and I still prefer the Zinn. I love the fact it flies under the radar and only watch nerds will know what on earth I am wearing. I prefer that. Plus I simply prefer the style of Zinn watches.
Zinn??
@@brendankeilthy8149Yes. Are you a fan or disagree. I like true tool watches. I'm learning to fly and Zinn just fits my lifestyle better. I skydive too and it just wouldn't feel right jumping out of a plane in my vintage Patek Phillipe Calatrava.
What's your seeing is the price reduction and therefore the accessibility of high quality automated multi-axis CNC milling machinery over the last 30 years, it's allowed finer tolerances for tighter bracelets and more complex cases to be undertaken at lower cost then having a skilled CNC operator standing over the machine.
Exactly 😀
Sinn is obtainable from one supplier in Turkey. I have 556 i and next step may be 104 or 105.
Grade 2 titanium is pure titanium and grade 5 is an alloy which is I think around 95% titanium and the rest aluminum and vanadium. Grade 2 being lighter but scratches easier. But so far my pelagos don’t scratch any more than my Rolex or grand seiko but it’s much lighter. So grade is not all that bad.
Exactly 😀😀😀
I have owned all three brands. My Sinn GMT chronograph and it was one of my favorite watches., it was accurate, sporty, and quite beautiful. Ultimately sold it because it didn't have a true GMT function.
I sold my Sinn 104 after 2 years of trying to get along with the HLink bracelet with no halflinks available and only three positions in the clasp. Asked them if they intend to improve, answer was not any time soon. But they keep on raising prices, but are falling behind other offerings in the bracelet dept. With quick adjust nowadays doable on €250 Euro bracelets, what a shame Sinn.
Have a look at microbrands. Then you will see great value. I think the microbrand scene is going to get bigger and bigger as more value and originality is to be found there. Have a great one Mike!
My entry was is the Nivada Gretchen Super Antartic watch. With a Leather strap $850.00. It is 25 jewels 28,800 beats .
It is Swiss made. It went to the South Pole. It does not copy Rolex
I’m a Sinn fan, I fall in and out of love with my 104 Sa..
Why out?
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatchsometimes it feels bland but when I “find” it again I recognise it’s beauty (I don’t know if this makes sense) I wore a 566A for 10 years nearly every day it was simply perfect. I travel a lot and having a watch that most don’t recognise is a lot safer.
Nice video ❤ Got a ezm3 and the 104 in your video. Very nice, only the leather bracelett is a bit unconfortable, due to sharpness. Changed to another Sinn bracelett soon.
Love the pelagos fxd, but the larger pelagos 42mm(?) with steel bracelett seems to provide more for my money.
Submariner is cult, but the decent design of sinn or even the pelagos does meet my style even more.
Comparing to the Tudors price range a EZM 13.1 could be a sexy alternative, too 😊
Thanks - also for sharing your thoughts 😊
Brilliant wee video and has made me think a lot about watches in a different way.
Thanks 😀😀
I think your assessment is accurate, as usual.
I'll take a Sinn any day due to their original & unique designs.
Through no fault of their own, Rolex has been copies by every name brand company (including Tudor), most every microbrand and every Chinese brand. The look is so pervasive, subs have become boring to me.
Speaking of trickle down technology, at least half of Chinese brands offer milled clasps with on the fly diver's extensions today!
Oh, I like watches that use off the shelf movements because I can get them repaired anywhere at competitive prices.
Love your thoughtful videos!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and also thanks for the praise. Appreciated 😀
You're going to find very little disagreement with me here. I am waiting for a Sinn EZM 3F to keep company to my U50. And I am a guy who has owned in excess of 20 Rolex models through the years (still own 6 of them) and a Tudor FXD M.N. that I really enjoy. But when deciding of my next watch, the sheer value proposition of the EZM 3F was too good to pass.
Hard to disagree…. 👍👍👍
The only Tudor I would remotely consider buying is the one with a sterling silver case because of how it looks.
That would be the one to own and indeed it has a rather unique look.
I dig it too. Patina however is not for me so bronze and silver are no go’s
I have the 105 and REALLY wish the wold have polished the case.
Maybe eventually 😀
Love my blue Sinn 104 on the steel fine link bracelet.
As you should 😀
That blue 104 is one beautiful watch!
Researched Tudor after finding Rolex too flashy and expensive for a daily driver. Love the Tudor Black Bay Dark I ended up purchasing used. No nonsense design, very accurate timepiece, and doesn't attract the wrong kind of attention.
I love these PFYs dishing out advice on what not to buy. I'd love to see what your sinn looks like after it has had 50 years of constant heavy use (inc work, garden, sea, snow..) like my gmt. All it needs is a service every 10-20 years and it goes on and on...
Seeing as many Sinn are tegimented they would 100% look better after 20yrs.
I have owned Rolex and Omega. I haven't really handled a Tudor yet but again I am sure Rolex is better than Tudor and I can for sure say that Sinn has been by far the best watches I have ever owned. Handled 104, 556a and 556i. All the 3 are amazing for they money you spend, especially in the pre-owned market and they are unique in their own way! They are definitely better than any Swiss brands I have handled.
Sinn make fantastic watches - I never feel like I'm stepping down when I take off a Rolex and strap on a Sinn. BTW, Sinn is available in some Excellent ADs in the UK. Squale is also excellent. I think both Sinn and Squale offer better value than either Seiko or Tudor and are hot on the heels of IWC/Breitling. And the quality delta between Tudor/Longines and Omega/Rolex is shrinking by the day.
Very much agree especially on the shrinking distance.
Thanks for taking the time to contribute 😀👍
I would definitely say you'd be hard pressed not to be able to find a decently well-made watch at almost any price range within the last 10 years at least and moving forward.
Whether you want to pay a lot more for the luxury aspects which are I think most intangibles, that's all on the particular buyer.
Out of the 3 watch brands, barring the specific models exemplified in your video, I have 2 out of 3 of them. A Tudor BB58 (bronze) and Sinn U50 S BS. I had a vintage Rolex but sold it.. it wasn't all that exciting for me to wear, IMHO.
How long have you had the 58 bronze? How’s the patina, on it?
@@eyeheartsushi2212 I'd say maybe 3 months max. Patina is ok. I'm doing maybe the opposite tactic which is to actually keep it cleaner than not. I'm not trying to patina the entire watch.. just in certain locations.
@@khronokrazeGotcha. Thanks for the reply. I like the bronze BB58 and the 925. Own a Heritage Black Bay burgundy.
Good choice on the Bb 😀
The difference between grade 5 and 2 is that grade 5 is alloyed and 2 is not. Grade 5 is actually a lot softer. Softer than steel, even. It's easier to machine. The grade numbers have nothing to do with expense or quality. I could use grade 11 and it would be cheaper. It's a material properties classification.
A watchmaker once told me a 40 year old Rolex has a better movement quality, design, engineering than any ETA or salita based movement you’ll find in any watch today. TGV just did a video on the problems of mass produced movements (like plastic parts in the PRX) and tissot even making complete plastic movements in the past. You need to box smart when spending mega bucks.
Good points. I totally agree. The Rolex movement is far and away better than the Sellita. The specific sellita in question though is one that is solid, doesn’t have plastic components and is functionally serviceable. It can last a lifetime.
TGV is correct though. More and more modern mechanical movements are being touted as mechanical but are cheap, filled with platic and practically unservicable - the prx movement just gets swapped out if it breaks and warranty. Sad really
Thanks for contributing. 😀
Anyone that thinks that Rolex isn’t sat on massive stocks is sadly wrong, we’re gonna see an influx of new old stock hitting the Rolex PreOwned and Rolex cornering the market. Pre owned Rolex are ridiculously expensive and you can get a hell of a lot of bang for your buck with other brands.
Don’t judge ETA on the 2824 alone , the 2892 series are much nicer and we’re good enough for Omega to use for many years. The service of a Rolex by Rolex could be as much as £800 enough to buy a decent watch , be sure all future services of newer Rolex will be in house only as they hold the parts.
I'm pretty sure that Omega used a polymer ( plastic) part known as a Delrin Brake for many years in one of their most revered Speedmaster Moonwatch models. So make of that what you will. Lol.
20 years ago a high end watch was the same price as an entry to mid level watch is today.
Directionally yes 😀
Sinn is available in City Cham here in Hong Kong 🇭🇰.
Thanks for the info 😀😀
Sinn is great value. I know that Sinn does have a retail store presence in Japan but not in Australia. As a consequence they are 30% more expensive in Japan.
I think many people has realized that Sinn is a good 'value for money' everyday watch. Like there is an increase in price for the 556 model.
And their dive watches are one of the most original non "Submariner' , non 'Blancpain' and non 'Sekio 5' design.
At that Sinn price point, I don't have to cry over every scratched or dent I made on my Sinn.
Buuuut. I would still like a Rolex....
Me to…. 😀