My personal favorites were the Eminence Blue & the Fender Oxfords. 2nd favorite was the Celestion's with the greenback over the alnico. Least favorite was the McKenzie. 2nd least favorite was both the JBL's. I was kind of surprised since I do tend to like JBL's, but that may be due to their clarity for headroom in higher wattage amps. Much like EV12L's (My all time favorite speaker of choice) they just don't work in lower wattage amps where you are seeking that natural breakup sound of the amp combined with the speaker breakup.
Johan i love your playing in this video sounds so lovely can you make some video of you playing strat with the vintage oxfords ? Hope you are doing well keep rocking sir 🙏🙂 🎸
Thanks for a demo of these rare 10”speakers. Love the McKenzie for the thick mids and overdriven sound, no piercing high ends at all. The Oxford is surprisingly sweet and very fendery at both clean and when mildly overdriven. Love them both!
I love the Eminence Alnico Blue. It’s a little tighter and more modern sounding than the rest, but when you push them hard, they sing. They have the smallest magnet of the bunch here too.
It's a wonderful little speaker. Way nicer sounding than the Jensens that Fender later substituted in the reissue tweed Bassman. The buying public wanted Fender to offer Jensens, but the Eminence blue frame speaker sounds better in that amp. Sweeter top end, less harsh when the amp is grinding.
@@sassulusmagnus I’ve grown to appreciate the reissue Jensen speakers. After a good 20+ hour break in they sound pretty good compared to other new Jensen type Alnico speakers. I have a 1960 P12Q in my Tweed Deluxe and the reissue P12R actually captures the character pretty well. That being said, the blue frame Eminence speakers are still better. The recent GA10-SC59 is really good. I have four A10Q’s from the Tweed Deluxe Speed Shop that are custom built by Weber in my Tweed Bassman. Those speakers are as good or slightly better for that amp than the blue frame Alnico. It took the guy four years to develop the specifically for tweed Super’s and Bassman’s.
Holy cow! The Eminence AlNiCo Blue and the treble pickup on that Les Paul were absolutely fantastic!!!! My favorite by far. The Eminence was darker (with less sparkle) during 2 of the 3 Johan sections - and I'm thankful I won't be playing a Strat through the pair I just bought. When Johan played that third section though, the Eminence again was my favorite. Great video
The Oxford is for me the best Tweed amp speaker (The 12" maybe even more), for British (vintage) amps I preferred the Celestion 7601. But my favorite 10" speaker is missing here, the Elac Alnico 10", which has been used in some Vox and WEM amps for a while. Less intense treble, instead a nice, fuller bodied midrange, in some way similar to a 12" Silver (Bell) and for a 1960's alnico speaker rather unusually voiced. The 7601 comes close, but the Elac sounds even a little rounder and warmer in my opinion. Perfect for me in a smaller Vox, WEM, but maybe even more in a Marshall 18, but also nice, to tame a too intense Tweed amp treble and to improve the overdrive tones. I prefer using 10" speakers in 210 or even more in a 1012 combination, not so much as single speakers. So you both get the faster 10" reaction but also the more intense 12" low end. Apart from this once again a really good comparison.
The oxford’s sounded like they were best voiced for that amp. You should try a set of old Jensen c10q’s. I scored a quad of 64 C10q’s in mint condition and switched out two of the four Oxford 10L6’s in my 68 Super reverb and put in two of the Jensen’s c10q’s- so I had two of each. My lord those Jensen’s rock! I highly recommend those- they’re louder and break up so nice at a much lower level. If it didn’t cost so much to ship stuff overseas I’d send you the other pair to demo
I really like the sound of both of those JBL's with the Fender amp. They sound pretty full. The 4865 Celestions sound very tired. haha So much speaker distortion. I expected to hate the Eminence speaker since I don't like those blues devilles at all, but the Eminence sounds good too. Really enjoyed this video. I have been wanting to get a 4x10 closed back for a while. This was informative. I definitely want one of those JBL's. Maybe one of the Eminence models. I wonder about the sound of the modern Celestion 10" speakers. Cheers.
Love the Eminence Alnico Blue! I have a set of Celestion G10n-40 that I really love. They are discontinued, but cheap. I think they most resemble the McKenzie's, or the JBL E110 here! Cheers!
Excellent video. Thanks. I only wish you also had a Pyle Driver MH1020 but they may not be too common over your way. In a Fender amp I usually prefer clear and chimey as long as it's not harsh. Disclaimer: I have amps with the Pyle, Eminence and K110s. The Celestions sounded great but I would prefer them in a different style amp. My favorites 1. 1990-2000s Eminence Blue Horse shoe Alnicos (Clear and chimey, nice blend) 2. 1970s JBL K110 (Clear and chimey) 3. 1966 Celestion 4865 G10 Alnico (slightly warmer) 4. 1966 Celestion 7601 G10 (a little warmer yet) 5. 1970s JBL E110 (warmer yet) 6. 1973 Oxford 10L5-3 (lack definition) 7. 1980s McKenzie 1080 GP (mud)
The blue eminence horse shoe and the fender labeled one has the vintage tone like. This is important work. You give the artist a chance to pick out the sounds they want to use
Another great Celestion 10" speaker is the G10L-35. Used by Matchless in some of their 2x10 combos. As with all Celestions, it seems, it makes a huge difference what amp you're using them in.
I have a 77 super reverb with 2 original Oxfords, and 2 weird black Eminence speakers from the late 80’s, they sound awesome together, never seen these Eminences in any other amp.
The Celestions were beautiful. That alnico! Wow what a nice speaker. I love both the alnico and the ceramic greenback. I alway prefer Celestions because they have the top end but not harsh. I liked the blue Eminence for tweed tones but a little dark. I would have liked to see a Jensen P10R as those are really nice when broken in....especially the ones from the 60's. P10Q as well. I did like the K110 JBL. Nice sounding speaker. McKenzie was meh to my ears and the Oxford sounded good when I first heard it but maybe after hearing it against the others it was kind of bland. The JBL E was ok but didnt sound as good next to the alnico K110. But I guess for the Fender tones and in this amp maybe the K110 JBL or Eminence Blue alnico possibly ...the Oxfords are what Im used to though.
Eminence and Oxford fit the best in an amp like this to my ears. The Celestions sounded brittle and the JBL's... Well I think they just suit a cleaner sound better.
Was interesting to see how much the playing style / PU selection impacted the suitability of particular speakers from round-to-round. In a few cases I noted, "wow, that one sounded the worst", only to consider the same speaker near the top in the next round of comparison. If I had to pick a single overall winner it would be Oxford.
Have you ever tried Weber speakers? I had to replace the 12" in my '64 blackface Deluxe and opted for one of theirs. These folks don't keep anything on the shelf, they're all built to Your specs and ship in about a week. Back then it was $100 plus shipping. It sounded amazing! Sadly I no longer have that little amp that I paid $65 for when I was 16, I'm 62 now. My how time does fly.
A key takeaway I’ve gotten from your videos on recording is that the sound in the room can be pretty different from what can be recorded. To my ear the Eminence horseshoe speakers sound a lot bigger than the other speakers. Did you find the same recording it?
Great comparison Johan! Eminence Blue Alnicos for me and I always love the tone on that Strat. Special. I see an attenuator was used in a few cases. Was there a big difference in volume?
Thanks Eddie! The difference in Volume was less than I expected. The JBLs are almost 4 times louder than the Celestions. We knocked off 3dB to cope with the power for the Celestions.
JBL is the way to go...I've replaced the original "Oxfart" speaker with a JBL E110 in my Fender 1979 Silverface Princeton Reverb...the amp is much louder now with tight bass, crisp mids and crystal clear highs ❤
You should do this kind of test again for the Marshall Lead 12 mini stack or combo. I have wondered what would be a good replacement for the stock 10" speakers? I tend to run my Lead 12 head through my JMP 2x12 combo cab loaded with G12H-75 Creambacks, but not sure what would work best in the small box extention cabs.
I love your show and I am an average 1970 Marshall major proud owner and user since I purchased it in 1977 I ever creating the speakers on the angled 4x 12 bottom that I happily for many many years play bass through more and more again these days....😅 it was recommended the celestion redbacks there are vintage greenbacks in there but I don't use the other three cabinets speaker cabinets with that amp no more ,,those days are over I don't know if you have done anything on the red box but your opinion is much welcome and I am going to put two of these in there and then I was also thinking about putting the other two cream backs this would like your opinion thank you so much!!!
The blue frames come out on top in all settings. My preferred speaker. If you like those, check out the Eminence GAsc64 10" ceramic for blue frame+ character. A tad less high and a bit more mids. The best 10" for Fender amps. The Celestions didnt pair well. The JBLs should be heard in high gain settings w maybe a tubescreamer for SRV sounds.
Hi, Johan! Gradation 1 - Celestions 2 - Alnicos 3 - Fender, Oxford JBL - Its hard to say. On the clean its normal, but too much groovy. 😉 See you! Siegfried
Was there anything similar to the Celestion 7601/4865 in 8 inch? 60s or 70s. I'm looking for a replacement for my 74 champ. The original does not take dirt pedals well, I put a Weber 8A125T - it's good (amazing) with dirt but lost the sparkly cleans. Any recommendations?
The Eminence Blues are fantastic, but I gotta go with the Fender Oxfords. They push the mid highs just right while keeping the sizzle under control. The Macks and the JBLs sounded solid. The Celestions had way too much highend and lacked that mid range bark. Maybe they could get dialed in with different settings, but they were my least favorite.
how about a video using 16 ohm speaker with a 4 ohm amp? I'd like to buy a new combo amp but it only has 4ohm speaker and would like to use a spare 16 ohm I have.
That kind of mismatch should never be done with a tube amp, it could severely damage the output transformer. I would recommend using a speaker with the correct impedance for the amp or something that can make the mismatch safe, like a Weber Z-Matcher or an attenuator with separate input and output impedances. With a solid state amp it’s fine to use speakers with higher impedance though.
Riff 7 shows why I tend to say that lead sounds are a dime a dozen but rhythm sounds are hard. They all sound good! On the other riffs, the Eminence Alnicos sound best, although I think that the JBLs sound pretty good too, and the Mckenzie sound pretty convincing for a fake Marshall sound. The Oxfords sound a little ratty in the classic Fender way, but good.
I was surprised to find that I preferred the JBLs, which were consistent across all the material and seemed to have a very full but balanced sound. By contrast, the Celestions were disappointing. Whether they would perform better in a different amp, or are just rather tired specimens, I don't know.
Wait a minute, the world is upside down right now. Some other guy is playing the LP and Johan is playing the _Strat?_ Oh my, I need to lie down and recover.
Very interesting shootout. Not surprisingly, none of the Celestions really "fit", to my ears. The blue alnico Eminence was the winner. The Oxford sounds very much like the Eminence. The JBL K's sounded bassy and muffled, but the E's were very nice. Tons of clear bass but lacking that sweet, focused guitar midrange of the Eminence and Oxford. Might be an interesting experiment to load that Vibrolux with one Eminence and one JBL E.
Apart from the Blue Eminence and JBL they mostly sounded like very low quality speakers in my opinion. Throwing a brand new Celestion V Type in there would have been useful I think. Especially in a Silverface amp those extra mids would have really made for a great sound.
funnily enough I took out the alnico utah's in my 77 vibrolux as they did not seem happy at levels above 4-5 on volume and replaced them with two celestion V type junior 10's and they are surprisingly good if not excellent..........I have had EV sro's ,60's ac30's , 60's JTM45 through T1221's from '69 so have an idea about tone and these little V types make me very happy js
@@GrrumpDaddo56 I find they are really good speakers especially for the price, no so mid-focused like a Greenback and smoother than a Vintage 30. Apparently the 10” Creamback is also great but I am yet to try one properly.
@@GrrumpDaddo56 I will give them a try! My mate has a pair of 60’s Alnico Goodmans from an AC30 and they are incredible. They only like low volume as they need to be reconditioned but it’s like another world compared to modern speakers. Makes anything you play sound good haha
66 Celestion, Oxford, Mckinsey, Horeshoes, Jbls. Overall Oxfords are Truth as in, great tone and if the oxfords do not sound good, then your amp just Suks.. the oxford 10’s can be had at a great price. but do not buy reconed. how about treating us to the oxfords paired with the SV20? Ought to be a ripper
@@JohanSegeborn Well that is interesting, as I have a quad of vintage cones and a couple reconed. One recon the guy put too much dope on it and so stiff that continuity test can not be made. Might put it in a bass cabinet to loosen it up... Thanks Johan, your work is stellar and Fun to watch and listen.
I have some D110s, way prefer my Js or my Ks, but none please me like the EVMs. YMMV. Once I got some actual horsepower I can finally stand to hear myself play. 🎸
This is the best 10 inch speaker shootout ever Johan I like it because you hear it all.Thanks for this video it’s much appreciated.
Thanks Ricky! Makes my day to hear that!
I like the Oxfords, but the Eminence horseshoes are my faves, nice and gritty.
Verkligt intressanta och genomarbetade tester och jämförelser. Stort tack för denna kanal, alltid en källa till kunskap att återkomma till.
My personal favorites were the Eminence Blue & the Fender Oxfords. 2nd favorite was the Celestion's with the greenback over the alnico. Least favorite was the McKenzie. 2nd least favorite was both the JBL's. I was kind of surprised since I do tend to like JBL's, but that may be due to their clarity for headroom in higher wattage amps. Much like EV12L's (My all time favorite speaker of choice) they just don't work in lower wattage amps where you are seeking that natural breakup sound of the amp combined with the speaker breakup.
Johan i love your playing in this video sounds so lovely can you make some video of you playing strat with the vintage oxfords ? Hope you are doing well keep rocking sir 🙏🙂 🎸
Thanks for a demo of these rare 10”speakers. Love the McKenzie for the thick mids and overdriven sound, no piercing high ends at all. The Oxford is surprisingly sweet and very fendery at both clean and when mildly overdriven. Love them both!
Love those Eminence Blues!
Great video.
I liked it already because I know this is going to be a high quality video
Thanks Leon!
I love the Eminence Alnico Blue. It’s a little tighter and more modern sounding than the rest, but when you push them hard, they sing. They have the smallest magnet of the bunch here too.
Thanks Matt!
It's a wonderful little speaker. Way nicer sounding than the Jensens that Fender later substituted in the reissue tweed Bassman. The buying public wanted Fender to offer Jensens, but the Eminence blue frame speaker sounds better in that amp. Sweeter top end, less harsh when the amp is grinding.
@@sassulusmagnus I’ve grown to appreciate the reissue Jensen speakers. After a good 20+ hour break in they sound pretty good compared to other new Jensen type Alnico speakers. I have a 1960 P12Q in my Tweed Deluxe and the reissue P12R actually captures the character pretty well.
That being said, the blue frame Eminence speakers are still better. The recent GA10-SC59 is really good. I have four A10Q’s from the Tweed Deluxe Speed Shop that are custom built by Weber in my Tweed Bassman. Those speakers are as good or slightly better for that amp than the blue frame Alnico. It took the guy four years to develop the specifically for tweed Super’s and Bassman’s.
Holy cow! The Eminence AlNiCo Blue and the treble pickup on that Les Paul were absolutely fantastic!!!! My favorite by far. The Eminence was darker (with less sparkle) during 2 of the 3 Johan sections - and I'm thankful I won't be playing a Strat through the pair I just bought. When Johan played that third section though, the Eminence again was my favorite. Great video
That celestion alnico sounds absolutely filthy, I love it
JBL's and an old Fender combo always sound sweet to me.
Yeah a classic combination
The Oxford is for me the best Tweed amp speaker (The 12" maybe even more), for British (vintage) amps I preferred the Celestion 7601.
But my favorite 10" speaker is missing here, the Elac Alnico 10", which has been used in some Vox and WEM amps for a while. Less intense treble, instead a nice, fuller bodied midrange, in some way similar to a 12" Silver (Bell) and for a 1960's alnico speaker rather unusually voiced. The 7601 comes close, but the Elac sounds even a little rounder and warmer in my opinion. Perfect for me in a smaller Vox, WEM, but maybe even more in a Marshall 18, but also nice, to tame a too intense Tweed amp treble and to improve the overdrive tones.
I prefer using 10" speakers in 210 or even more in a 1012 combination, not so much as single speakers. So you both get the faster 10" reaction but also the more intense 12" low end.
Apart from this once again a really good comparison.
The oxford’s sounded like they were best voiced for that amp. You should try a set of old Jensen c10q’s. I scored a quad of 64 C10q’s in mint condition and switched out two of the four Oxford 10L6’s in my 68 Super reverb and put in two of the Jensen’s c10q’s- so I had two of each. My lord those Jensen’s rock! I highly recommend those- they’re louder and break up so nice at a much lower level. If it didn’t cost so much to ship stuff overseas I’d send you the other pair to demo
Thanks, I’ll look for some. Vintage Jensens with original cones are rare over here though.
I really like the sound of both of those JBL's with the Fender amp. They sound pretty full. The 4865 Celestions sound very tired. haha So much speaker distortion. I expected to hate the Eminence speaker since I don't like those blues devilles at all, but the Eminence sounds good too.
Really enjoyed this video. I have been wanting to get a 4x10 closed back for a while. This was informative. I definitely want one of those JBL's. Maybe one of the Eminence models. I wonder about the sound of the modern Celestion 10" speakers. Cheers.
Thanks! We can throw in some modern Celestions in the next one
The Eminence blue alnicos just sounded incredible with the Les Paul.
Thanks, glad to hear it
Wow, the eminence alnico blue sounded just perfect!
Nice shootout. I'll definitely look into the Blue Eminence
Thanks Nathan!
Glad to see the McKenzie getting some love !!
For my tastes, I'd say: Celestion alnico, Oxford, JBL K. Thanks.
Celestions are always my favorites, but all these would sound good in the right context and mix. God bless and rock on 👍🎸😎
Thanks man!
Love the Eminence Alnico Blue! I have a set of Celestion G10n-40 that I really love. They are discontinued, but cheap. I think they most resemble the McKenzie's, or the JBL E110 here!
Cheers!
Thanks Kelly, Cheers!
that's what I love Johan for
Thanks my friend
Excellent video. Thanks. I only wish you also had a Pyle Driver MH1020 but they may not be too common over your way. In a Fender amp I usually prefer clear and chimey as long as it's not harsh. Disclaimer: I have amps with the Pyle, Eminence and K110s. The Celestions sounded great but I would prefer them in a different style amp.
My favorites
1. 1990-2000s Eminence Blue Horse shoe Alnicos (Clear and chimey, nice blend)
2. 1970s JBL K110 (Clear and chimey)
3. 1966 Celestion 4865 G10 Alnico (slightly warmer)
4. 1966 Celestion 7601 G10 (a little warmer yet)
5. 1970s JBL E110 (warmer yet)
6. 1973 Oxford 10L5-3 (lack definition)
7. 1980s McKenzie 1080 GP (mud)
The blue eminence horse shoe and the fender labeled one has the vintage tone like.
This is important work. You give the artist a chance to pick out the sounds they want to use
Wow, I would love to hear the Greenbacks and the Alnico together in person. Great video!
Thanks!
Great shootout, thanks Johan. Eminence Blue Frame for me, followed by Oxford (as probably stock in that amp).
Thanks Charl!
oxford and celestions do it for me in this demo ..
I just love the bigger dust cap speakers...
Yeah they roll off more high frequencies. Better for rock. Less fizzy distortion.
Jbl for clean sounds and blue horseshoe alnico for crunch. They have the best range and presence in my opinion.. Cheers as always. Great video Johan!
Thanks Darrell, glad to hear it!
The K110 then the Oxford then the greenback
I'm SURE it will be good! Catch you on the replay! KEEP rockin' Joh! \m/
The celestion 7601 with the start is wonderful
Thanks!
Another great Celestion 10" speaker is the G10L-35. Used by Matchless in some of their 2x10 combos. As with all Celestions, it seems, it makes a huge difference what amp you're using them in.
Those speakers are amazing.
I have a 15w Marshall stack with 2 10 inch VTJRS, A great improvement.
your friend in tone, Norman Mozley
Cheers Norman!
I have a 77 super reverb with 2 original Oxfords, and 2 weird black Eminence speakers from the late 80’s, they sound awesome together, never seen these Eminences in any other amp.
The Celestions were beautiful. That alnico! Wow what a nice speaker. I love both the alnico and the ceramic greenback. I alway prefer Celestions because they have the top end but not harsh. I liked the blue Eminence for tweed tones but a little dark. I would have liked to see a Jensen P10R as those are really nice when broken in....especially the ones from the 60's. P10Q as well. I did like the K110 JBL. Nice sounding speaker. McKenzie was meh to my ears and the Oxford sounded good when I first heard it but maybe after hearing it against the others it was kind of bland. The JBL E was ok but didnt sound as good next to the alnico K110. But I guess for the Fender tones and in this amp maybe the K110 JBL or Eminence Blue alnico possibly ...the Oxfords are what Im used to though.
Thanks, glad to hear it!
Eminence and Oxford fit the best in an amp like this to my ears. The Celestions sounded brittle and the JBL's... Well I think they just suit a cleaner sound better.
Was interesting to see how much the playing style / PU selection impacted the suitability of particular speakers from round-to-round. In a few cases I noted, "wow, that one sounded the worst", only to consider the same speaker near the top in the next round of comparison. If I had to pick a single overall winner it would be Oxford.
Have you ever tried Weber speakers? I had to replace the 12" in my '64 blackface Deluxe and opted for one of theirs. These folks don't keep anything on the shelf, they're all built to Your specs and ship in about a week. Back then it was $100 plus shipping. It sounded amazing! Sadly I no longer have that little amp that I paid $65 for when I was 16, I'm 62 now. My how time does fly.
Yeah, I liked he Weber in the Fender 57 Champ reissue
I'm enjoying the G10 Greenbacks in my 2014 special edition Super Reverb but sometimes itching to swap em out.
Horse shoes followed by "Greenbacks" regardless of riff and LP or Strat. For the other speakers it varied from riff to riff, and between LP and Strat.
Thanks Bengt
Actually just started a search for a potential replacement in my Studio Vintage 20 combo -- good timing!
Glad to hear it
A key takeaway I’ve gotten from your videos on recording is that the sound in the room can be pretty different from what can be recorded. To my ear the Eminence horseshoe speakers sound a lot bigger than the other speakers. Did you find the same recording it?
Eminence and Oxford
I have to admit, I liked the McKenzie for both the Les Paul, and the Stratocaster. The Blue Horse was pretty nice as well.
Great comparison Johan! Eminence Blue Alnicos for me and I always love the tone on that Strat. Special. I see an attenuator was used in a few cases. Was there a big difference in volume?
Thanks Eddie! The difference in Volume was less than I expected. The JBLs are almost 4 times louder than the Celestions. We knocked off 3dB to cope with the power for the Celestions.
What year did Fender switch from Eminence alnicos to Jensen P10r ?
For me, by a long shot, the 1990-2000s Eminence Blue Horse Shoe Alnicos paired with the Stratocaster.
Those are an insane bang for the buck and are actually still being made today albeit custom order
JBL is the way to go...I've replaced the original "Oxfart" speaker with a JBL E110 in my Fender 1979 Silverface Princeton Reverb...the amp is much louder now with tight bass, crisp mids and crystal clear highs ❤
Great fantastic comparison but I want a single 10 comparison.
You should do this kind of test again for the Marshall Lead 12 mini stack or combo. I have wondered what would be a good replacement for the stock 10" speakers? I tend to run my Lead 12 head through my JMP 2x12 combo cab loaded with G12H-75 Creambacks, but not sure what would work best in the small box extention cabs.
I love my 10s, the celestion t1442 can be a little harsh at times though, but evm or hemp coned jbl k110s ❤️
I love your show and I am an average 1970 Marshall major proud owner and user since I purchased it in 1977 I ever creating the speakers on the angled 4x 12 bottom that I happily for many many years play bass through more and more again these days....😅 it was recommended the celestion redbacks there are vintage greenbacks in there but I don't use the other three cabinets speaker cabinets with that amp no more ,,those days are over I don't know if you have done anything on the red box but your opinion is much welcome and I am going to put two of these in there and then I was also thinking about putting the other two cream backs this would like your opinion thank you so much!!!
Thanks Great to hear that! I’ve heard great things about the Redback so I’ll do that one first chance I get
Not seeing one of my favorite Jensen C10q from silvertone 6 / 10 cab
These sound well also the 32ohm eminence loaded in many ampeg amps
I like the JBL E110 best with a close second to the original Fender Oxford speakers. I was surprised how fizzy the Celestions sounded
66 Celestions for me. They cut like no other.
Greenbacks sound great
I liked the 66 4865 G10 alnico
Thanks Ben!
Favorite was Celestion greenback followed by JBL ceramic,a vintage Jensen C10Q would of been a contender
Thanks, The greatest 10 inch of all time is P10R I think, so I’ll do Vintage Jensens first chance I get
@@JohanSegeborn keep up the outstanding work your efforts are priceless Let’s GO
The blue frames come out on top in all settings. My preferred speaker. If you like those, check out the Eminence GAsc64 10" ceramic for blue frame+ character. A tad less high and a bit more mids. The best 10" for Fender amps.
The Celestions didnt pair well. The JBLs should be heard in high gain settings w maybe a tubescreamer for SRV sounds.
Hi, Johan! Gradation
1 - Celestions
2 - Alnicos
3 - Fender, Oxford
JBL - Its hard to say. On the clean its normal, but too much groovy. 😉 See you!
Siegfried
Thanks man! See you
Was there anything similar to the Celestion 7601/4865 in 8 inch? 60s or 70s. I'm looking for a replacement for my 74 champ. The original does not take dirt pedals well, I put a Weber 8A125T - it's good (amazing) with dirt but lost the sparkly cleans. Any recommendations?
The Eminence Blues are fantastic, but I gotta go with the Fender Oxfords. They push the mid highs just right while keeping the sizzle under control. The Macks and the JBLs sounded solid. The Celestions had way too much highend and lacked that mid range bark. Maybe they could get dialed in with different settings, but they were my least favorite.
how about a video using 16 ohm speaker with a 4 ohm amp? I'd like to buy a new combo amp but it only has 4ohm speaker and would like to use a spare 16 ohm I have.
That kind of mismatch should never be done with a tube amp, it could severely damage the output transformer.
I would recommend using a speaker with the correct impedance for the amp or something that can make the mismatch safe, like a Weber Z-Matcher or an attenuator with separate input and output impedances.
With a solid state amp it’s fine to use speakers with higher impedance though.
Riff 7 shows why I tend to say that lead sounds are a dime a dozen but rhythm sounds are hard. They all sound good! On the other riffs, the Eminence Alnicos sound best, although I think that the JBLs sound pretty good too, and the Mckenzie sound pretty convincing for a fake Marshall sound. The Oxfords sound a little ratty in the classic Fender way, but good.
Thanks Josh! Yeah all the solos sound killer
I was surprised to find that I preferred the JBLs, which were consistent across all the material and seemed to have a very full but balanced sound. By contrast, the Celestions were disappointing. Whether they would perform better in a different amp, or are just rather tired specimens, I don't know.
I agree completely. The celestions sounded too bright and buzzy to my ears. The JBL's blew me away.
Very nice and thanks for doing this…..please,if you have any, do a vid with Utah speakers, they are fantastic and would love to hear in comparison
Have you tried the '68 Custom vibrolux? Wondering how it might compare to your '73.
No not yet, I’ll do that first chance. Have heard good things about it
I thought one of the alnico had cone rub...
Yeah the Celestion Alnico wasn’t completely healthy
great shootout!
1) Blue horsie
2) Oxford
3 & 4) JBL’s
rest are unlistenable
Thanks!
Exactly.
Fender and Greenbacks were the losers, at least with that amp. Eminence sounded supreme. Thanks, Johan, as always. Saudações brasileiras.
Thanks André!
I would have enjoyed hearing a pair of EVM10Ms crush that lot. I don't know, if you don't play too loud I guess it is okay. 🎸
if we lived closer i have 2 10 inch Altecs you could have tried
hi from Patagonia Chile, South America, yeah; a question please?. Here we go; Celestion 4865 Alnico was made in Heaven?......Regards
take your pick of the JBLs, Norman
Thanks Norman!
No CTS alnicos?!
Those are certainly great too
The blue one by a mile. Actually, by many miles.
Something about the blue horshoes stood out o me.
Wait a minute, the world is upside down right now. Some other guy is playing the LP and Johan is playing the _Strat?_ Oh my, I need to lie down and recover.
Sorry about that, I wish you a speedy recovery. 🙂
Hahaha, I love your playing Emil!
Mackenzie is a good one
The Eminence, the McKenzie and the JBL E110 for me, more balanced than the others, that i felt them very icepicky for my taste.
Thanks Alberto
👍👍👍
Celestion Alnico and JBL k110
Very interesting shootout. Not surprisingly, none of the Celestions really "fit", to my ears. The blue alnico
Eminence was the winner. The Oxford sounds very much like the Eminence. The JBL K's sounded bassy and muffled, but the E's were very nice. Tons of clear bass but lacking that sweet, focused guitar midrange of the Eminence and Oxford. Might be an interesting experiment to load that Vibrolux with one Eminence and one JBL E.
Blue horseshoe 🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼
I think of all things---the McKenzies sound the best with both guitars!
Thanks Keith!
yes sir!
Apart from the Blue Eminence and JBL they mostly sounded like very low quality speakers in my opinion. Throwing a brand new Celestion V Type in there would have been useful I think. Especially in a Silverface amp those extra mids would have really made for a great sound.
funnily enough I took out the alnico utah's in my 77 vibrolux as they did not seem happy at levels above 4-5 on volume and replaced them with two celestion V type junior 10's and they are surprisingly good if not excellent..........I have had EV sro's ,60's ac30's , 60's JTM45 through T1221's from '69 so have an idea about tone and these little V types make me very happy js
@@GrrumpDaddo56 I find they are really good speakers especially for the price, no so mid-focused like a Greenback and smoother than a Vintage 30. Apparently the 10” Creamback is also great but I am yet to try one properly.
@@Richtone85 yep, the cream back is probably another slight step up in quality......
@@GrrumpDaddo56 I will give them a try! My mate has a pair of 60’s Alnico Goodmans from an AC30 and they are incredible. They only like low volume as they need to be reconditioned but it’s like another world compared to modern speakers. Makes anything you play sound good haha
This guy looks like Raúl Portal.
The Alnico's were the best
Eminence
The Eminence, McKenzie and Oxford speakers are the winners to me. That fizzy high end from the '60s Celestions doesn't sit well in my ears.
66 Celestion, Oxford, Mckinsey, Horeshoes, Jbls. Overall Oxfords are Truth as in, great tone and if the oxfords do not sound good, then your amp just Suks.. the oxford 10’s can be had at a great price. but do not buy reconed. how about treating us to the oxfords paired with the SV20? Ought to be a ripper
Thanks, these Oxfords are reconed. I think the original cones are slightly brighter
@@JohanSegeborn Well that is interesting, as I have a quad of vintage cones and a couple reconed. One recon the guy put too much dope on it and so stiff that continuity test can not be made. Might put it in a bass cabinet to loosen it up... Thanks Johan, your work is stellar and Fun to watch and listen.
eminence, oxford jbl e110 and mackenzie. i don't like at all the others too much piercing highs
Guitars don't have speakers, amps do.
Guitar amps have guitar speakers....yes.
Gree backs are super compressed and not very versatil in my opinion. I have 1 in my blues jr
7601 wins
Thanks Billy!
Those jbls are car stereo speakers, the only good jbls are the “D “ series
😂 nonetheless I love them
I have some D110s, way prefer my Js or my Ks, but none please me like the EVMs. YMMV. Once I got some actual horsepower I can finally stand to hear myself play. 🎸