Great video, very helpful. I read somewhere that after only a few seconds your ear memory forgets the specifics of the sounds, so here is a list so you can A/B quickly between speakers Celestion C10R 1:43 Jupiter 10SC 2:24 Oxford 10J4 3:07 WGS Veteran 10 3:50 Eminence GA10-SC64 4:31 Weber 10F150 5:13 Celestion G10 Greenback 5:56 Celestion G10 Creamback 6:38 Celestion G10 Gold 7:20 Jensen P10R 8:02 Weber Blue Pup 8:44 Weber Silver Ten 9:27
I’m a Jensen guy… I have a P12Q from 1955 in my ‘65 Princeton, and I’ve come to the conclusion that it is as important to the final sound as any other component. It’s simply the best sound I’ve heard, and the treble is easy to dial out, but impossible to dial in, so in short… Vintage 12” Jensen = Magic.
I have a Jensen C10R in my pine cab 3 tube upgraded output transformer Fender Super Champ XD and it's staying in. I play a 66 blackface Fender Bassman through a 2x12P12Q pine cab also. I also play a Fender Super Sonic head through a 44 pine cab loaded with 2 Jensen P10R, a P12R, and a C12R. I also Play a 1967 Fender Bassman AB165 through a single pine cab loaded with a 50watt Jensen C12N. Jensen are the best in my opinion @@frankstephenson1746
Great demo. Thanks for the comparisons. 1) There was a huge difference in listening to this video on my phone, vs bluetooth earbuds, vs good studio monitors. Listening to various speakers through various speakers is a bit ironic. 2) What I like as an independent guitar sound may not serve well in a house mix. In one of his videos, Tom Bukovac talked about sound checking with Joe Walsh. He thought Joe's rig was completely shrill and ice-pick sounding, while his own rig was warm and full. When it came to the sound in the house, Tom's sound was completely buried, while Joe's tone sounded great.
Thanks, nice back to back work that makes it easy to compare. Also - not ridiculously over-distorted tests that are completely useless in judging anything. Fine work.
Both the Eminence GA10 and the Weber 10F sounded great and were quite similar with the Weber appearing to have a little more bottom end. Was pleasantly surprised by the Celestion G10 Gold as well. The stock Oxford sounds loud and torn up which is cool for some applications...
IMHO- P10r and Weber Silver resonate to my ears. I have an original 64 SR with P10r’s. And my original 65 VR has Rajin Cajun’s. Love 10’s. Thank you for the detailed demo. 🔈🔈
After viewing this video, I purchased a P10r to replace the custom design Eminence Gold in my Rivera Clubster 1-10 25W. Amazing improvement. Such detail in the high mids.
I liked the Oxford. I’ve went through this myself, but with champs. I love the original speakers. There’s a certain charm to something being pushed to the max
Fantastic demo!!!! Tells all we need to know. Most often a proper re-cone will sound more like the speaker did when it was new... of course not like it sounds after years of abuse and degradation. In the hi-fi industry this is done all the time.. Very often we do have original examples that are not shagged to bits, so can compare new recone to near new old.. Don't just install any old cone that 'fits'.. choose one like the original.. it will sound different than your broken driver, heck yes.... it will sound like it did when new.
Oxfords are underrated. I think that's because the alnico CTS and Jensens are thought of as the speakers to have in a Blackface Fender and people refuse to accept anything else. The Oxfords are probably less efficient so you can get some breakup at a lower volume and they do sound good.
@@5000rgb Early Fenders had often Alnico Jensens. Alnicos are LESS efficient compared to ceramic speakers. Most Alnicos are 95dB/ 1meter/ one watt, there were ceramics are nearly all 97 db or higher. Note : 3 db is double Sound Pressure Level ( SPL ) !!!!!!!!
Your attention to detail is much appreciated. Thank you for the level playing field comparison... I've been looking to upgrade an old 2x10, open-back combo cab and this really helps in that decision making process.
The Eminence surprised me, I don't usually like their speakers but the Alessandro was great. Sounded like an excellent modernization of the classic tone. The spirit of the jensens but with a little tighter bottom end
My Fender amps have greenbacks, creambacks, cannibis rex, stock eminence and a Red wizard. I've been thinking of adding in a Jensen C12. After this excellent demo I am leaning more in that direction.
My thoughts: the Original Oxford you had in there is definitely fried. A great one is super musical and that one is past its expiration date. The two speakers I thought shared the most qualities with a great Oxford is the Jupiter and the Weber Silver Bell. If you could combine those two, that’s a good approximation of a nice Oxford. That’s my experience with a well broken in Oxford. Thanks for the work on this video!
Well done video! This is the video people should look to when wondering which speaker they want on their princeton. I personally keep the Jensen C10R on my PRRI. I've tried the Eminence GA10-SC64 but found that I really missed the high end chime that the Jensen offered.
I definitely already have a preference for one model. But, I haven't tried most of the models here. So I listened with the video off screen so I wouldn't know which speaker was which by looks. I've watched this video once in the past using the same technique, and got the same result both times. Also, each time listening was on different systems with different (but good) speakers. I thought some sounded pretty nice, but not 100% what I want for my tone. I definitely can hear the attraction. That said, my top choice turned out to be exactly the one I've been opting for for a long time. And before anyone says; 'yeah, you know and remember that sound so that's why your ears picked it'.... Well, not likely since it's not me playing, not my rig, not even a rig in front of me. The experiences are completely different. No, this was choice by noting the subtle differences between designs and picking from those what I was drawn to the most. C10R for sure. I love the P10R and the Celestion Blue. The alnico sound is beautiful. But for my amps they just don't fit right.
I really like the Jensen C10R & P10R speakers. These speakers really get that classic Fender clean tone. I have a VHT Special 6 Ultra. The stock speaker made the amp sound like it had several blankets over the speaker. I put a Jensen C12R in the amp and not I get really great clean tones. The least good tones, in my opinion, were from the Celestion speakers.
The Jupiter sounds very open. I like it. It stands out and is most different. Of course the original Oxford is the most open but is overdriving so easily. There are people who can fix vintage speakers without reconning them. I have always liked the Jensen P10 R and it maybe my favorite here along with the Jupiter. I'd have to play them in person. The C10R sounds pretty good too.
By far one of the best speaker comparision video in TH-cam, congratulations! I also agree with the thoughts in the description except for the Blue Pup, which I think sounds surprisingly thin (I listened with a professional earphone). It’s a shame that some speakers like Weber 12A125, 12A150 or WGS G12C and G12C/S were missed, but obviously not everything can be presented unfortunately .
Thanks for all the work! Playing back through high-end vacuum tube HiFi system with neutral, transparent speakers it was easy for me to narrow down to the Veteran 10 and the Celestion Creamback for the 2nd-hand Fender Princeton '68 tribute I just picked up. Which actually sounds good clean through the stock Celestion Ten 30 speaker with the Treble turned up to about 8 and Bass around 4 or 5. I just don't care for the way the Ten 30 breaks up. To my ear, the Veteran 10 is a little more dynamic and exciting so I ordered a new one to try. Seems a popular choice among Princeton owners and I can return it. ☑
Fender installs the Jensen C10R at the factory...it's got the classic "Fender Sound" IMO. But, I really liked the Green Back...a bit warmer with a smoother high end :)
Not for the hand-wired ‘64 though - that’s loaded with the P10R. The thing is they all need wearing-in! That P10R sounds pretty authentic given some time. I guess that’s why they chose it for their most expensive and authentic build.
Thank you for taking the time to put this together. What a grind trying to decide so it's awesome to have so many choices in one spot and with the chapters it's easy to a/b the candidates. If the frequency graphs were with the speaker picture, that would have been over the top! Great work!
I liked the P10R - it’ll be a great fit once it’s broken-in! A lot of the other choices sound like speakers voiced for other non-Fender amps i.e. they are a clear step away from the historic Princeton sound.
Wow thanks for the introduction to Jupiter speakers, granted I am listening on a phone and it’s probably not a lower resonant driver but the clarity and detail were sweet. I think in a closed cab or in a combo with a greenback or???? Damn these videos 😆 GAS
Lot of good info hear guys. Just a few more things to say. I have 4 speakers for the PRRI Jensen C10r - Very scooped in the mids, just way too bright for me. It is Fendery but it still doesn't have the magic of the old Jensens Very loose in the bass. Too loose. I do 'think' the P10r would be the better of the two as I have played others with this speaker but not in mine. Weber 10f150t - Love / Hate relationship with this one! First , it's a VERY LOUD speaker. And as stated very heavy in low mids once you start pushing some volume. The love part - It does have nice articulate highs and a very controlled low bass. And the depth of this speaker is unmatched with effects, delays, reverbs, phasers, etc. Nice string separation too. Did I say it's loud....I think the 10f125 would be a much better match for the PRRI. wouldn't be as boomy in the low mids WGS G10c - I'd say it's closer to the Weber than the C10r. Much more musical sounding than the 10f150t, you may say more pleasant sounding. Not as loud as the Weber. Still gets that low mids push when the volume goes up. Not quite as much string separation as the Weber. Depth is good but not as good as the Weber. Large magnet also controls the bass here too. Emi 1028K - Alnico - very different from the others, being alnico you can push the volume a lot more as it compresses. Very little depth when compared to the others and has a high mid character that can become fatigue-ing after a while. Rounder sound, not as bright as the others. Still very usable, I'd take it over the C10r. Good classic rock speaker in the vein of Bob Seger and similar as it has a nice grit once you start pushing it.
Great demo! Wow...tough choice? The “British” voiced ones definitely smoothed out the tone, and the Alnico ones had great Top end. The American voiced ones had a jangle and presence that was missing in the British. Some had quite a bit of speaker breakup. There were at least 5 standout matches in there? You can really see how much speaker choice effects the voice of the amp. I have a 5e3 clone that came with a 15watt 12” Celestion Blue...nice chime, but too much breakup? The 5e3 has so much going on in the Midrange, and can get very loose? That can be really cool, but makes the amp more of a one trick pony. I ended up with a 50 watt Jupiter 12LC, which makes the amp much more versatile. I like the Tone better so far.
Wow, the Jupiter almost made the princeton into a tweed with that early break up and ugly distortion. Jupiter, Celestion gold and Jensen P10R were my favorites. Really depends on the voicing that you are after.
Thanks for posting! The Weber Vintage adds bottom end, giving a fuller sound. Speaker cone breakup seems less, not so ratty\torn sounding when overdriven (smoother). Not the classic sound, perhaps this is good. I guess it depend on the style of music you play which determines the speaker to get. I have a Fender vibro champ with an old 66 vintage Jensen, this speaker has the classic Fender sound, I tried replacing the speaker with a Warehouse 8" classic and the amp lost its classic sound and instead had a modern sound, more bass and mids, tighter focused cone breakup. I had to pull it out and put the Jensen back in to get the classic Fender sound (speaker cone breakup was not as smooth but tonality was right for Fender sound)
Original Oxford was best of them all, clean sparkling chimey sound, clearly the reason Leo chose it. All others are muddy by comparison, although a couple came close, such as P10R and Greenback.
For real that Oxford stands out. Problem with it for me is I think it won't be nearly as loud as more modern speakers 10f150t is another that's not muddy and can really turn the PR into a bigger beast. The Weber here wasn't a t version
Thanks for the comparison, 12"s are too big and i'm happy to find comparison of 10"s. I wish one day some manufacturer put some design efforts for good sounding guitar 6"s, seriously guys we are in 2021, those amps have to get smaller and lighter ! Played alone like this i like the both Jensen's the most, but i must say the WGS is very interesting also and i could bet in the mix in band situation the WGS would be the one who cut thru most graciously.
For me the best were the two Jensens and the Jupiter, closely followed by the two Weber Alnico. For a slightly more muted sound the eminence allesandro and Weber 10f150t. All the others were great, just not that fender sound.
I thought the Jensens sounded good the Jupiter very similar and the Oxford a usable sound for blues the rest didn’t seem to have the sparkle I associate with that amp yet they all sounded good, Cheers and thanks for the reference
This is great, thanks for doing this. The WGS and the P10R tied for the win according to my ears. I'd actually keep the Oxford for recording, that early breakup is tasty; if I wasn't concerned about wearing it out further I'd stick with it, you can't simply buy that tone in a PR. I'd love to hear it in person. Also I'm assuming these didn't sound as distorted in person, that's how it is recording loud distortion in my experience.
I really liked the silver ten in this application.. Sounds the shiz. Good definition and some flabbiness there when you want I would imagine. I'd dime the amp and push it into collapse...this speaker would make that sound even more awesome.
Funny because I just did the same thing the cheap way, using IR's and a Princeton Reverb amp model. I wasn't sure how accurate it would be. Your video just confirmed everything I heard with the IR's. The C10R was my favorite followed by the P10R.
Great test, thanks. I'm about to pull the trigger on a 65RI (10"). I preferred the Creamback(CB) and P10R. They weren't the same but both produced a bit less twang than the current stock Jensen. The P10R had more Fender tone and the CB was more Brit but -to me- retained enough of the Princeton character. The Gold sounded good but went too far Brit, which is not what I'm getting a Princeton for. The Gold certainly works well for many others based on numerous forum comments.
Either Jensen sounds more like Fender, but I like the compression and roundness on the Gold. It is probably the most expensive speaker. You mentioned they were louder, so maybe my ears were tricked due to the increase in volume. The Jensen reissues are nice speakers and the most reasonably priced. Nice vid, well done. Thank you.
wow.... interesting.... in my ns-10s, it was amazing to hear the differnce... to my ears... so many of em sucked! dark and blah... winners were Jensen C10R, Jupiter 10SC, Stock Oxford 10J4 (maybe not a full sound, but certainly killer), Jensen P10R
My ears liked the Jensen p10r, weber silver bell and the Eminence Ga10 , these were the closest to that "Original" Oxford speaker. Even though it needed a re-cone you can still hear the character and it is wonderful but realistically to use regularly a new speaker or even a 1x10" cab with a jensen/weber/eminence would do the amp justice.
All sounded great, the only one I did not like was the Oxford. I noticed the Warehouse sounded a bit more compressed than the other selections but still liked it a lotl
I just got a stock 65 Princeton RI, which FYI comes with the Jensen C10R, when I tried it at home sounded way to spikey and scooped. The 64 Handwired version comes with the Jensen P10R, which supposedly has more mids and a smoother top end. I’m just about to put it in and try it...A lot of times I find I end up liking the stock speakers in the end, but we’ll see🤷🏻♂️😂
There are other considerable differences between the hand-wired and normal RI, but the speaker does make a whole lot of difference. I find the P10R to have a different tone in the mids and more character overall. It's also much louder to my ear. If you still feel the amp is too spikey for you, Celestions are common remedies for those people. Of those I would suggest the Creamback. Good luck!
@@mydeadletteroffice Thanks, yeah I’ve been doing a lot of research on it. I actually really like the stock speaker in my Deluxe RI so I like the Jensen sound, I’m thinking the P10R is gonna do the trick, gonna see today I believe
Perfect vídeo , great work and effort to do it right. Maybe I’m a little deaf ( listening with AKG studio headphones) but all of them sound pretty much the same for me.
GREAT COMPARISON! Thank you! For me , a Strat owner, it was a toss up between the Veteran and the Weber Silver Bell. Most others were too jangly or not distinct. I need headphones though. I'll be back......
Great comparison: thanks for the upload ! My preference goes to the Jensen P, although I installed an Eminence Alnico LEGEND 1028K that sounds pretty darn cool !!
Wait for the P10R to break-in though! A lot of the other choices sound like speakers voiced for other non-Fender amps i.e. they are a clear step away from the historic Princeton sound.
If you want to turn a PR in to a weapon try a Webber Ca. I traded off my '68 with the stock Jensen, because a Deluxe Reverb worked better for me. That has the Orange Pumpkin JBL in it. That is no longer a one arm amp for me. I am finding many Tele PUs come across brittle on the plain strings to me. I do like the twisted Tele neck. I am loading a two 10" bottom with Celestion G10 Vintage 50 w units. Hope to fall in love. Thanks Chris
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Love the crunchy old Oxford. I would imagine it runs out of headroom pretty quickly. Weber Ferromax is nice!
This is how to do a demo.
More like a way to waste money
Vintage series Weber surprised me. It had the right tonality.
Great video, very helpful. I read somewhere that after only a few seconds your ear memory forgets the specifics of the sounds, so here is a list so you can A/B quickly between speakers
Celestion C10R 1:43
Jupiter 10SC 2:24
Oxford 10J4 3:07
WGS Veteran 10 3:50
Eminence GA10-SC64 4:31
Weber 10F150 5:13
Celestion G10 Greenback 5:56
Celestion G10 Creamback 6:38
Celestion G10 Gold 7:20
Jensen P10R 8:02
Weber Blue Pup 8:44
Weber Silver Ten 9:27
Thanks!
For this amp, I am really impressed with the Webers and Jensens on this demo.
Afaik Fenders originally used to come with Fender branded Jensens
I’m a Jensen guy…
I have a P12Q from 1955 in my ‘65 Princeton, and I’ve come to the conclusion that it is as important to the final sound as any other component. It’s simply the best sound I’ve heard, and the treble is easy to dial out, but impossible to dial in, so in short…
Vintage 12” Jensen = Magic.
Well these are 10’s lol
But I agree, the Jenson is the best. The only thing better is JBL
I have a Jensen C10R in my pine cab 3 tube upgraded output transformer Fender Super Champ XD and it's staying in. I play a 66 blackface Fender Bassman through a 2x12P12Q pine cab also. I also play a Fender Super Sonic head through a 44 pine cab loaded with 2 Jensen P10R, a P12R, and a C12R. I also Play a 1967 Fender Bassman AB165 through a single pine cab loaded with a 50watt Jensen C12N. Jensen are the best in my opinion @@frankstephenson1746
C10r for me! Replaced it for a while with an Alnico Gold and went back to the stock Jensen. Just perfect for the amp!
Jensen C10R sound most naturally. And I like this most. Thanks for demo
Great demo. Thanks for the comparisons. 1) There was a huge difference in listening to this video on my phone, vs bluetooth earbuds, vs good studio monitors. Listening to various speakers through various speakers is a bit ironic. 2) What I like as an independent guitar sound may not serve well in a house mix. In one of his videos, Tom Bukovac talked about sound checking with Joe Walsh. He thought Joe's rig was completely shrill and ice-pick sounding, while his own rig was warm and full. When it came to the sound in the house, Tom's sound was completely buried, while Joe's tone sounded great.
Thanks, nice back to back work that makes it easy to compare. Also - not ridiculously over-distorted tests that are completely useless in judging anything. Fine work.
I preferred the Jensen C10R. I also liked what the greenback did for the amp.
Both the Eminence GA10 and the Weber 10F sounded great and were quite similar with the Weber appearing to have a little more bottom end. Was pleasantly surprised by the Celestion G10 Gold as well. The stock Oxford sounds loud and torn up which is cool for some applications...
I liked the weber ferromagnet and the cream back, the weber's all sounded good to me!
The stock Oxford sounds huge! Definitely sets itself apart from the rest. Most of them sound pretty much the same. The Jupiter seems the meekest.
IMHO- P10r and Weber Silver resonate to my ears.
I have an original 64 SR with P10r’s. And my original 65 VR has Rajin Cajun’s. Love 10’s. Thank you for the detailed demo. 🔈🔈
After viewing this video, I purchased a P10r to replace the custom design Eminence Gold in my Rivera Clubster 1-10 25W. Amazing improvement. Such detail in the high mids.
I was actually impressed by the Jupiter the most
This video is gold! Both Jensens are winners for me.
They both sound great in the amp.
The Celestion Alnico Gold for Alnico and The Eminence Alessandro for ceramic magnets. Great comparison video!!
Maybe I’m too easy to please. I liked them all. Not a disappointment in the lot. Thanks for sharing.😊
Jensen speakers are always brighter the the rest.. They all sound good, it is just a matter of taste.
I liked the Oxford. I’ve went through this myself, but with champs. I love the original speakers. There’s a certain charm to something being pushed to the max
I've tried 5 of the 12 speakers reviewed,and ended up with a Fat
Jimmy C1025,in my 65 PRRI.
Fantastic speaker,for this amp!
AKA WGS Veteran-10. Same speaker as the Fat Jimmy, built by WGS but has a felt dust cover that affects the highs. Both great!
Fantastic demo!!!! Tells all we need to know.
Most often a proper re-cone will sound more like the speaker did when it was new... of course not like it sounds after years of abuse and degradation. In the hi-fi industry this is done all the time.. Very often we do have original examples that are not shagged to bits, so can compare new recone to near new old.. Don't just install any old cone that 'fits'.. choose one like the original.. it will sound different than your broken driver, heck yes.... it will sound like it did when new.
Nowadays recone "kits" are readily available for most old school guitar speakers.
That oxford sounds awesome.
Oxfords are underrated. I think that's because the alnico CTS and Jensens are thought of as the speakers to have in a Blackface Fender and people refuse to accept anything else. The Oxfords are probably less efficient so you can get some breakup at a lower volume and they do sound good.
@@5000rgb Early Fenders had often Alnico Jensens. Alnicos are LESS efficient compared to ceramic speakers. Most Alnicos are 95dB/ 1meter/ one watt, there were ceramics are nearly all 97 db or higher. Note : 3 db is double Sound Pressure Level ( SPL ) !!!!!!!!
Your attention to detail is much appreciated. Thank you for the level playing field comparison... I've been looking to upgrade an old 2x10, open-back combo cab and this really helps in that decision making process.
You need some adult supervision
@@jwh475ezc haha when it comes to gear .... never!!
The Eminence surprised me, I don't usually like their speakers but the Alessandro was great. Sounded like an excellent modernization of the classic tone. The spirit of the jensens but with a little tighter bottom end
I have a Princeton Custom 68, 6 years old, the Weber Ferromax really rocks in my amp.
Maybe because it’s an old low-wattage speaker that has been battered into submission, but the Oxford, by a mile.
I liked the gold. I own a 210 mojotone cab with jupiters and a VS 35sc head. They will stay for now.
I liked both Jensen's and the Eminence. the Green back sounded great too.
My Fender amps have greenbacks, creambacks, cannibis rex, stock eminence and a Red wizard. I've been thinking of adding in a Jensen C12. After this excellent demo I am leaning more in that direction.
Wow the Celestion Gold was great. As was the Weber. The rest I wasn’t hearing much either way that made me wanna buy.
The Jensens, by a mile. I prefer the ceramic C10R, but that P10R sounded very good too
Great demo. The winners to me were the Gold and the Alessanro
Man, that Weber Ferromax sounds great!
My thoughts: the Original Oxford you had in there is definitely fried. A great one is super musical and that one is past its expiration date. The two speakers I thought shared the most qualities with a great Oxford is the Jupiter and the Weber Silver Bell. If you could combine those two, that’s a good approximation of a nice Oxford. That’s my experience with a well broken in Oxford. Thanks for the work on this video!
I thought the Jensen and the allesandro by eminence sounded the best. Sweet, clear and balanced highs, lows and mids and the Weber Ferromax too.
Well done video! This is the video people should look to when wondering which speaker they want on their princeton. I personally keep the Jensen C10R on my PRRI. I've tried the Eminence GA10-SC64 but found that I really missed the high end chime that the Jensen offered.
I sold my GA10-SC64 for a Fat Jimmy,and have never looked back!
Great comparison demo. Would've loved to have heard a Oxford 10L5, but understand you got the best array of choices in these! Kudos and thx!
I like the Jensen's and the Celestion Gold had a nice pop, round balanced sound. they all sound great, I thank you for this great demo!
Thanks for sharing your exhaustive testing of these speakers. Very helpful.
Love the gear-nerdery! Glad I'm not the only one ;-) Great work Eric
Great job! One of the better speaker comparison videos out there.
Thanks!
I definitely already have a preference for one model. But, I haven't tried most of the models here. So I listened with the video off screen so I wouldn't know which speaker was which by looks.
I've watched this video once in the past using the same technique, and got the same result both times. Also, each time listening was on different systems with different (but good) speakers.
I thought some sounded pretty nice, but not 100% what I want for my tone. I definitely can hear the attraction.
That said, my top choice turned out to be exactly the one I've been opting for for a long time. And before anyone says; 'yeah, you know and remember that sound so that's why your ears picked it'.... Well, not likely since it's not me playing, not my rig, not even a rig in front of me. The experiences are completely different. No, this was choice by noting the subtle differences between designs and picking from those what I was drawn to the most. C10R for sure. I love the P10R and the Celestion Blue. The alnico sound is beautiful. But for my amps they just don't fit right.
Wow, thank you SOOOOO much for this awesome gift!
I really like the Jensen C10R & P10R speakers. These speakers really get that classic Fender clean tone. I have a VHT Special 6 Ultra. The stock speaker made the amp sound like it had several blankets over the speaker. I put a Jensen C12R in the amp and not I get really great clean tones. The least good tones, in my opinion, were from the Celestion speakers.
Just a wonderful demo. I considered replacing my Jensen P10R with a G10 Greenback. Funny how close they are.
The Jupiter sounds very open. I like it. It stands out and is most different. Of course the original Oxford is the most open but is overdriving so easily. There are people who can fix vintage speakers without reconning them. I have always liked the Jensen P10 R and it maybe my favorite here along with the Jupiter. I'd have to play them in person. The C10R sounds pretty good too.
By far one of the best speaker comparision video in TH-cam, congratulations! I also agree with the thoughts in the description except for the Blue Pup, which I think sounds surprisingly thin (I listened with a professional earphone). It’s a shame that some speakers like Weber 12A125, 12A150 or WGS G12C and G12C/S were missed, but obviously not everything can be presented unfortunately .
The Weber Ferromax is for me:) Thanks for the great video-very useful. cheers
Thanks for all the work! Playing back through high-end vacuum tube HiFi system with neutral, transparent speakers it was easy for me to narrow down to the Veteran 10 and the Celestion Creamback for the 2nd-hand Fender Princeton '68 tribute I just picked up. Which actually sounds good clean through the stock Celestion Ten 30 speaker with the Treble turned up to about 8 and Bass around 4 or 5. I just don't care for the way the Ten 30 breaks up. To my ear, the Veteran 10 is a little more dynamic and exciting so I ordered a new one to try. Seems a popular choice among Princeton owners and I can return it. ☑
I thought the Oxford 10J4 had character and that Celestion Greenback had a sweet vintage sound.
Fender installs the Jensen C10R at the factory...it's got the classic "Fender Sound" IMO.
But,
I really liked the Green Back...a bit warmer with a smoother high end :)
Not for the hand-wired ‘64 though - that’s loaded with the P10R. The thing is they all need wearing-in! That P10R sounds pretty authentic given some time. I guess that’s why they chose it for their most expensive and authentic build.
My top 3
Eminence
Celestion Gold
Weber Blue Pup
The Oxford sound fantastic.
Weber Ferromax and the Weber Silver Bell sounded amazing. I am now a huge Weber fan and you have just cost me money
Thank you for taking the time to put this together. What a grind trying to decide so it's awesome to have so many choices in one spot and with the chapters it's easy to a/b the candidates. If the frequency graphs were with the speaker picture, that would have been over the top! Great work!
I liked the P10R - it’ll be a great fit once it’s broken-in!
A lot of the other choices sound like speakers voiced for other non-Fender amps i.e. they are a clear step away from the historic Princeton sound.
Yes the P10R sounds closest to the original but for me the alessandro sounds sweet.
I have the G10 Gold and I love it in my PRRI
There are re-cone services that have OEM cones!!! You have to hunt them down, Canada is a good place to start 😊
can't thank you enough for this, great comparison
Wow thanks for the introduction to Jupiter speakers, granted I am listening on a phone and it’s probably not a lower resonant driver but the clarity and detail were sweet.
I think in a closed cab or in a combo with a greenback or???? Damn these videos 😆 GAS
Lot of good info hear guys. Just a few more things to say.
I have 4 speakers for the PRRI
Jensen C10r - Very scooped in the mids, just way too bright for me. It is Fendery but it still doesn't have the magic of the old Jensens Very loose in the bass. Too loose. I do 'think' the P10r would be the better of the two as I have played others with this speaker but not in mine.
Weber 10f150t - Love / Hate relationship with this one! First , it's a VERY LOUD speaker. And as stated very heavy in low mids once you start pushing some volume. The love part - It does have nice articulate highs and a very controlled low bass. And the depth of this speaker is unmatched with effects, delays, reverbs, phasers, etc. Nice string separation too. Did I say it's loud....I think the 10f125 would be a much better match for the PRRI. wouldn't be as boomy in the low mids
WGS G10c - I'd say it's closer to the Weber than the C10r. Much more musical sounding than the 10f150t, you may say more pleasant sounding. Not as loud as the Weber. Still gets that low mids push when the volume goes up. Not quite as much string separation as the Weber. Depth is good but not as good as the Weber. Large magnet also controls the bass here too.
Emi 1028K - Alnico - very different from the others, being alnico you can push the volume a lot more as it compresses. Very little depth when compared to the others and has a high mid character that can become fatigue-ing after a while. Rounder sound, not as bright as the others. Still very usable, I'd take it over the C10r. Good classic rock speaker in the vein of Bob Seger and similar as it has a nice grit once you start pushing it.
Celestion Gold, no doubt
The most clarifying speaker comparison I've seen, well done! Subscribing was a no-brainer.
Great demo! Wow...tough choice? The “British” voiced ones definitely smoothed out the tone, and the Alnico ones had great Top end. The American voiced ones had a jangle and presence that was missing in the British. Some had quite a bit of speaker breakup. There were at least 5 standout matches in there?
You can really see how much speaker choice effects the voice of the amp.
I have a 5e3 clone that came with a 15watt 12” Celestion Blue...nice chime, but too much breakup? The 5e3 has so much going on in the Midrange, and can get very loose? That can be really cool, but makes the amp more of a one trick pony.
I ended up with a 50 watt Jupiter 12LC, which makes the amp much more versatile. I like the Tone better so far.
Wow, the Jupiter almost made the princeton into a tweed with that early break up and ugly distortion.
Jupiter, Celestion gold and Jensen P10R were my favorites. Really depends on the voicing that you are after.
Thanks for posting! The Weber Vintage adds bottom end, giving a fuller sound. Speaker cone breakup seems less, not so ratty\torn sounding when overdriven (smoother). Not the classic sound, perhaps this is good. I guess it depend on the style of music you play which determines the speaker to get. I have a Fender vibro champ with an old 66 vintage Jensen, this speaker has the classic Fender sound, I tried replacing the speaker with a Warehouse 8" classic and the amp lost its classic sound and instead had a modern sound, more bass and mids, tighter focused cone breakup. I had to pull it out and put the Jensen back in to get the classic Fender sound (speaker cone breakup was not as smooth but tonality was right for Fender sound)
Original Oxford was best of them all, clean sparkling chimey sound, clearly the reason Leo chose it. All others are muddy by comparison, although a couple came close, such as P10R and Greenback.
For real that Oxford stands out.
Problem with it for me is I think it won't be nearly as loud as more modern speakers
10f150t is another that's not muddy and can really turn the PR into a bigger beast. The Weber here wasn't a t version
That speaker sounded like it was falling apart.
Thanks for the comparison, 12"s are too big and i'm happy to find comparison of 10"s. I wish one day some manufacturer put some design efforts for good sounding guitar 6"s, seriously guys we are in 2021, those amps have to get smaller and lighter !
Played alone like this i like the both Jensen's the most, but i must say the WGS is very interesting also and i could bet in the mix in band situation the WGS would be the one who cut thru most graciously.
For me the best were the two Jensens and the Jupiter, closely followed by the two Weber Alnico. For a slightly more muted sound the eminence allesandro and Weber 10f150t. All the others were great, just not that fender sound.
I totally agree!!!
100% spot on!!!
Wow 👏surprisingly liked wherehouse, weber best! Great demo.
I thought the Jensens sounded good the Jupiter very similar and the Oxford a usable sound for blues the rest didn’t seem to have the sparkle I associate with that amp yet they all sounded good, Cheers and thanks for the reference
This is great, thanks for doing this. The WGS and the P10R tied for the win according to my ears. I'd actually keep the Oxford for recording, that early breakup is tasty; if I wasn't concerned about wearing it out further I'd stick with it, you can't simply buy that tone in a PR. I'd love to hear it in person. Also I'm assuming these didn't sound as distorted in person, that's how it is recording loud distortion in my experience.
I really liked the silver ten in this application.. Sounds the shiz. Good definition and some flabbiness there when you want I would imagine. I'd dime the amp and push it into collapse...this speaker would make that sound even more awesome.
Funny because I just did the same thing the cheap way, using IR's and a Princeton Reverb amp model. I wasn't sure how accurate it would be. Your video just confirmed everything I heard with the IR's. The C10R was my favorite followed by the P10R.
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I am in your same 10” speaker spot! Very helpful
Great test, thanks. I'm about to pull the trigger on a 65RI (10"). I preferred the Creamback(CB) and P10R. They weren't the same but both produced a bit less twang than the current stock Jensen. The P10R had more Fender tone and the CB was more Brit but -to me- retained enough of the Princeton character. The Gold sounded good but went too far Brit, which is not what I'm getting a Princeton for. The Gold certainly works well for many others based on numerous forum comments.
Either Jensen sounds more like Fender, but I like the compression and roundness on the Gold. It is probably the most expensive speaker. You mentioned they were louder, so maybe my ears were tricked due to the increase in volume. The Jensen reissues are nice speakers and the most reasonably priced. Nice vid, well done. Thank you.
Thanks man! The Gold is a great speaker, but sounds a bit classy for me in this amp.
wow.... interesting.... in my ns-10s, it was amazing to hear the differnce... to my ears... so many of em sucked! dark and blah... winners were Jensen C10R, Jupiter 10SC, Stock Oxford 10J4 (maybe not a full sound, but certainly killer), Jensen P10R
Thanks for your time and info. Very cool
Partial to the cream back ! that’s why I bought my deluxe reverb
After 40 years of recording, I now use the golds with Suhr guitars. Your mileage may vary depending on your guitar choice and type of music. 👍
My ears liked the Jensen p10r, weber silver bell and the Eminence Ga10 , these were the closest to that "Original" Oxford speaker. Even though it needed a re-cone you can still hear the character and it is wonderful but realistically to use regularly a new speaker or even a 1x10" cab with a jensen/weber/eminence would do the amp justice.
All sounded great, the only one I did not like was the Oxford. I noticed the Warehouse sounded a bit more compressed than the other selections but still liked it a lotl
My top 3 (For this amp):
3. Jensen C10R
2. Weber 10F150
1. Celestion G10 GOLD
same for me too
It always starts "I'll order 1" ... until all 12 arrive :). Such is GAS!
Yes, I have about 25 extra guitar speakers now 🤣
I dig the sound of the Jupiter 10SC 25 Watt
The Jupiter is a great speaker. I have one installed in a Goodsell Champton,and really like it.
Me too.
I just got a stock 65 Princeton RI, which FYI comes with the Jensen C10R, when I tried it at home sounded way to spikey and scooped. The 64 Handwired version comes with the Jensen P10R, which supposedly has more mids and a smoother top end. I’m just about to put it in and try it...A lot of times I find I end up liking the stock speakers in the end, but we’ll see🤷🏻♂️😂
There are other considerable differences between the hand-wired and normal RI, but the speaker does make a whole lot of difference. I find the P10R to have a different tone in the mids and more character overall. It's also much louder to my ear. If you still feel the amp is too spikey for you, Celestions are common remedies for those people. Of those I would suggest the Creamback. Good luck!
@@mydeadletteroffice Thanks, yeah I’ve been doing a lot of research on it. I actually really like the stock speaker in my Deluxe RI so I like the Jensen sound, I’m thinking the P10R is gonna do the trick, gonna see today I believe
Perfect vídeo , great work and effort to do it right. Maybe I’m a little deaf ( listening with AKG studio headphones) but all of them sound pretty much the same for me.
I really like the Weber vintage series ferromax, but that's just my taste.
GREAT COMPARISON! Thank you! For me , a Strat owner, it was a toss up between the Veteran and the Weber Silver Bell. Most others were too jangly or not distinct. I need headphones though. I'll be back......
Great comparison: thanks for the upload ! My preference goes to the Jensen P, although I installed an Eminence Alnico LEGEND 1028K that sounds pretty darn cool !!
1028K is one of the most vintage sounding 10" speakers.
Excellent video 10/10! Really helpful and informative. I like the Jenson the best...but that's just me.
Shit....the Oxford kicked the crap out of most of those speakers! I'm impressed!
Wait for the P10R to break-in though!
A lot of the other choices sound like speakers voiced for other non-Fender amps i.e. they are a clear step away from the historic Princeton sound.
thanks for the samples. i always tend to lean toward the jensen or original. a appreciate it.
If you want to turn a PR in to a weapon try a Webber Ca.
I traded off my '68 with the stock Jensen, because a Deluxe Reverb worked better for me. That has the Orange Pumpkin JBL in it.
That is no longer a one arm amp for me.
I am finding many Tele PUs come across brittle on the plain strings to me.
I do like the twisted Tele neck.
I am loading a two 10" bottom with Celestion G10 Vintage 50 w units.
Hope to fall in love.
Thanks Chris
Thanks for vid, watched it, ordered the Eminence Alessandro from Sweetwater, $114 for my 66 Princeton.
Best vid ever, thank You mate!
It’s hard to make a decision, they all sound good!