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SWTOR War For Iokath - Male Trooper Talks to Elara after siding with the Empire (ALL 3 CHOICES)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 เม.ย. 2017
- I was curious how would things develop if the Male Trooper will side with the Empire, so I created new boosted Trooper. There is no Romance included and he was pure LS (from Default settings) And Wow....Last Elara´s response is really intense... :(
Enjoy. :)
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This is why I love Elara - Malavai comes groveling regardless of the choice but Elara sticks by her morals; her character development over her companion story and the War on Iokath is probably the best in the game
Big Like! Exactly my thoughts. When I played this expansion (with this boosted Trooper) and for the purposes of video and curiosity to see how it will be different, I have chosen to side with the Empire. And through the whole process, when I was killing Republic Troopers, it felt so unnatural. Like, no matter what would head figures in the Republic do, how they would treat me. But I could never (in my real Trooper gameplay) side with the Empire, because I knew, that I would have to my destroy the soldiers which I swore to protect and guide. Maybe the exact same soldiers who served under me. I think Elara was completely right in this.
MissEpica
ur right but let's not forget that the Republic is not the same one u fight 4 years ago just like the empire it changed and now both r power hungry 4 ur shit.
Yeah but where the hell was the Republic during the whole Alliance vs Eternal Empire war? They didn't lift a finger to help, while Acina had your back the whole time. Not to mention Saresh tries to have you assasinated, so the Republic can go screw themselves imo.
Acina didn't have your back the whole time - she joined in only after the Battle of Odessen and on Iokath she admits she only helped because it would help her (and tries to pretend like sending troops to Iokath to get the superweapon is no big deal). lastly, the Republic DID sit out the war, but they weren't the ones that send Saresh (they tell you they don't care what you do with her and her partners were mercenaries and an Imperial)
Regardless of what the leading officials did during the war on Iokath, it is important to remember that the Alliance is made up of people from both sides who decided to fight for the greater good. While Acina may have decided to help, It was a choice made after we (the alliance) waged war on the Gemini fleet and Arcaan. Acina had undisputed power in the Empire and if you think about it was probably influenced by Lorman to invite us to Kaas City so he could assassinate us. Acina joining us was little more than opportunistic, the republic was probably focusing on rebuilding/defending themselves.
That last one is the most emotion Elara has shown the entire game. That's some good voice acting right there
wow your trooper has been liftin......swinging around that assault cannon as though it was paper weight
Sure thing. ;)
...I was laughing about it as well. =D
Tavus watching this like "bruh"
i was half expecting to get a holo from him "hey major WHAT the FUCK"
wow, I forgot how good Elara's voice actress is, especially in that last choice you picked
Yes, it´s pretty powerfull. =)
Yeah, holy shit, the emotion!
i want reunion again with Elara pissed....
It was REALLY hard to like the Republic in this expansion.
At war with the Eternal Empire? Sure, tons of Republic soldiers and Jedi joined up, but the Republic ITSELF would have happily sold the Alliance to Arcann or Vaylin to curry favor. Eventually despite the inevitable reprisal, even the Sith Empire signed on with a rather dramatic and clear show of force and solidarity. And the Republic... is responsible for backing a coup attempt on Empress Acina and assassination attempt on the Alliance Commander, so Saresh could assume control of it (There's no way she had the resources to do it without considerable support). When that failed, they didn't pop their heads up again until the war was over.
And what was the first thing Supreme Commander Malcom did? Apologize for the Republic basically abandoning one of their most stalwart heroes when they needed them most, and not even helping when the friggin' EMPIRE was willing to step up? Apologize for Saresh's BS in any meaningful way? Nah! He lets you know the Republic is willing to forgive you and take you back, as long as you stab you current allies in the back for them so they can get their hands on a superweapon NO ONE should have.
Not even allowing for a cease-fire to sort the mess out and the fact all three factions had been quite obviously manipulated.
And if you DO side with them, the 'Ra ra go troops!' nonsense is just OFFENSIVE at that point after what you've been through. Spouting all the typical anti-Imperial rhetoric to someone who HALF THEIR FORCES are ex-Imperial, and who's life was saved on Voss by Imperial intervention, and then again from a REPUBLIC assassination attempt.
Thanks, Jace. Thanks for making the choice EASY for my Bounty Hunter, and really REALLY friggin' hard for my light side Jedi.
You know I actually would’ve liked if the republic during the fallen empire expansion would’ve stabbed you in the back to gain favor with Arcann or Vaylin (depending on the expansion) Now that would’ve been extremely interesting.
Saresh led that assassination/coup plot. Did she have some help? Most certainly, but probably only from a handful of loyalists. All that she needed was the ability to communicate with Lorman to form the plan, money to pay the GenoHaradan and a ship to take her to Odessen. A few loyal aides could have made all of that happen. I sincerely doubt that the Madon or Malcom would have wanted her to have control of the Alliance. It was even quite possible that Saresh's influence kept the Republic from approaching the Alliance in the first place, leaving the opening for the Empire to do so, but we can't know that with the information that we were given. As far as the aftermath of the decision, Acina is every bit as dismissive of the Republic, and your Alliance is also full of those as well. What you said here was your justification, and that's fine. It's your story, you can fill in the gaps where the writers left it vague however you see fit.
On the other hand, I chose the Republic on every one of my class mains, and would probably do so on nearly any other character to go through this. My reasoning is that we have two factions coming at us with a proverbial knife there. One is running face first at us brandishing the knife, while the other cozied up to us and attempted to stick that knife in our back. Being attacked openly is a damn sight better than being betrayed in my book. That was not left vague.
@Joe When it was all over it was Stablehand Lorman, if I recall.
Damn girl.I never saw Elara so mad or yelling.Last choice was...wooh
Dimitriu Ruxandra I didn't even think she could get angry.
She's usually nice and polite but if you choose certain DS options during the trooper story she can get pretty pissed. There's a mission on Tatooine where you can threaten (and actually) kill an unarmed technician and she gets really really mad about it
Quinn at least had balls to show up personally...
Well... Quinn came to ask Warrior to be taken back - wanted to join the Alliance, however Elara doesn´t want anything to do with Trooper at that point in the story - so it makes sense she appears only via holo.
troopers face when he realized tavus was right
Now I realize what my trooper was thinking..
DAAAAAMN TRUE
It all came full circle...
The last one especially reminds me of Commander Tavus. The republic no longer values its warriors, and I imagine the trooper being so remorseful and regret not believing Tavus.
Because he was right.
Wonder what would happen if some sort of time travel BS happened (i'm not actually suggesting it seriously) and the past trooper met the modern trooper.
And the Empire does value its warriors in your view? Lol. Sith regularly murder grunts to pass the time. If you aren't a Sith, you are second class and expendable. The entire Agent story makes this abundantly clear. Anyone in the Imperial military's life depends upon the mood of the nearest Sith at all times. The Republic isn't perfect by any means, but people who act like the Empire is ACTUALLY morally superior are laughable xD
@@Skankhunt42.... And these morons (Imp-tards and Empire-Apologists as I like to call them) just keep spouting this nonsense everywhere, gleefully pointing out and blowing out of Proportion every flaw of Republic and Jedi (and Rebels, if we count the Original Trilogy as well), while conveniently ignoring the countless massacres and Genocides their oh so precious and flawless Empire and Sith commit on pretty much a daily basis without a hint of remorse.
Now, don't get me wrong: I think it's perfectly okay to prefer Empire and Sith over Republic and Jedi. But don't make up Bullsh*t Reasons for why the Sith and the Empire are the good guys. They are evil and they are awesome that way.
@@mini2239 Get past trooper to the Tatooine Oasis for a vision of opposite alignment like the Sith Warrior. Imagine him reacting to that.
@@alexandersturnn4530 I think the point everyone making is, being evil(empire) is better than a hypocrite(republic).
Right. Blame me for doing exactly what you were trying to do.
Its very rich of Elara to lecture anyone on being a traitor.
Not really. She left the empire but that's because they lied to her.
It really isn't. She left the Empire because she recognized it was morally bankrupt. She's hardly hypocritical to be angry with the trooper for siding with a faction that they both fought against together, and which they both agreed was awful.
XD gotta love how he's toting peace for the galaxy while casually brandishing a cannon lmao
Weird. I always thought I was helping me claim the super weapon. Whichever side I chose was only supposed to be a pawn. =/
Wow, the voice actress really brought her A+ game to this scene.
Cheer up trooper, we now have major anri
Mhm….and based on the fact that you can kiss her on Mannan(?)….leads me to *hope* that we can get more romantic with her…assuming Lana doesn’t Force Choke you first for cheating on her 🤣
Trooper story line is about take care of the traitors. oh the irony.
No, Elara, the Alliance would be taking the Super Weapon...
Oh yeah... =)
I feel lackluster tbh...Elara is basically a hypocrite regardless how much she tries to deflect it and lets also acknowledge the fact that she was willing to let the republic get a super weapon of mass murder and that as she said it "HER" troops got killed becuase THEY opend fire upon the Pc's Soldiers & empire's soldiers, its self defence at best.
Bioware always gotta make a bit subpar guilt trip tbh...its the same with ashley williams in mass effect 2 "oh, you work for a terrorist organisation to stop the very real reaper threat that the alliance and citadel has not taken action against and is actively hiding and suppresing any intrest or details about reaper attack FOR 2 YEARS....well cerberus bad mkay doesnt matter what I did with you or how real the threat is"
there is a reason people hate ashley in me2 for this
Elara herself is a traitor, no matter how she justified that. Personally, I don't see a problem if you can create Fel Empire-like, liberal regime with Imperial Knights-like protectors. Council of Moffs instead of Dark Council and centralised imperial rule don't seem as bad idea - so it's logical to rather start with Sith Empire than to try 'fix' the corrupted republic with too many interests. In this particular case, if Trooper romances Lana, it totally reminds me Jagged Fel romancing Jaina Solo :)
FalconRS A shame that those events are no longer officially cannon, except to those who will always feel the Legends content is the true cannon of Star Wars
Disney is not canon. Ever.
EVER
FalconRS ehhh idk about that since disney has the rights to star wars i think they are the only ones who say what is cannon and what's not
Firstly it is canon, not cannon.
Secondly Disney made RO (solid film) and Solo (fun watch). Their main trilogy though is awful, Ep 7 would be fine if 8 and 9 hadn’t shit the bed for every fan. Nobody cares what disney says, if nobody loves their content and chooses to disregard it then we will say it’s not canon. I think after TRoS most people are on that boat now.
I chose to spy on everyone. People did not like it. Not one bit.
My Sorcerer did too. I slightly regretted the decision when I got mail from someone who found out, but my Sith would want no stone unturned even as he suspects this Traitor isn't even in the Eternal Alliance. He's fought in several campaigns and he's sick of everyone's shit, he's practically forgotten what Trust is anymore.
@@kuronanestimare My Jedi might respect privacy but my Agent? Nah she wants to know about every breath taken by anyone so she can find the traitor.
I won't lie that last option broke my heart a bit. After hearing that I am definitely choosing Republic for my trooper.
me too unless Jaxo appers :D
Well, I always use two versions
She, at least, should have enough courage to meet Commander personally, just like Quinn.
You know, it's really sad that we don't get to see Elara's true strength of will unless you betray her. If we got more chances to see that fire - like, actually get to see her defend herself from Kalor's witch hunt - I imagine that might help with all the fools who hate her for being a professional soldier.
Yes. And if you had few more lines like this BEFORE you are picking a side, I think more trooper players would choose to side with the Republic and not the Empire. ;)
When you're tying to find a romanced version of where the trooper sides with the Empire. Great video though!
I tried to do that with this boosted char, but no romance included in deafault settings. :( Anyways, thank you! =)
I love Elara angry... "you kill soldiers... my soldiers"
wanna know the worst part?
2:58 Lana is all like, "so it's free real estate right?".
Why not just destroy the damn superweapon? Republic is just as incompetent with such dangerous weapons as the Empire with its evil goals.
Of all people, Elara should've understood that.
Wow...I actually feel sorry for Dorne and any person player a Republic soldier in this situation...I almost cried numerous times at this, which doesn't happen that often in terms of games outside of a few exceptions...I personally liked that Quinn at least tried to redeem himself by trying to join the sith warrior regardless if they join the Republic...but this situation, whilst definitely great acting and great sticking to her character, made me upset personally, even if I respect her decision
I like that she didn´t came back. (on the other hand I like that Quinn did =D ) She run from the Empire once, why would she wanted to go back you know? It was the thing she needed to run from, to fight against, so I get her anger and sadness when Commander joined the Empire after all those years fighting it. I hated to play this part with LS trooper. It really felt weird and unsetteling. =/
I can understand that on the weird and unsettling part, and fair enough, I had kind of forgotten the facts of Elara's leaving the Empire truth be told.
Yeah... when I look at it from the RP point of view, you can imagine that you probably talked a lot with her about what she experienced in the Empire, how was everything there, why she just needed to get away. That´s why I like her attitude here so much. It makes sense.
Fair enough, can't say I blame her then for the choice she made considering...though admittedly the romantic side of me would of liked it to have worked out, but then again can't have everything...plus I'm probably sure I wouldn't want to figure out what the conversations would be like if she romanced your trooper character(s).
I´m actually thinking about making a DarkSide Male Trooper in the future so I can "examine" that possibility. =D
the funny thing is that you start the trooper killing republic traitors and in the end you become one how ironic
And this comming from nobody else but Elara! She alone is a traitor and defector from the Sith empire and now she is judging another traitor like herself, lol lol lol. The republic scums could be so funny.
This makes me so goddamn sad, I love my trooper, I really do but I'm more of an Empire guy so this choice does tear me apart watching it since Elara is really up there for my favorite female companion with Vette
Planning to go this route just to stick it to the goody two shoes. Nice to see how it'll play out.
Head of house Dorne: And you've killed Imperial Soldiers, MY Soldiers!
You're a traitor. I'm a traitor. Everyone's a traitor!
“So you’re saying there’s hope”
Congrats, you're tavus 2.0
Isn't that second choice a bit hypocritical on her part, considering the Republic was also here for the superweapon?
Great upload dude, glad you showed all 3 options.
Good heavens, if this is how bad things are going to be forecast for those who we romanced and heard or witnessed the events on Iokath, then I'm going to be a tad bit concerned what the outcome would be for my Imperial Agent's LI (Ensign Temple), come the next update. He's the bloke who "truly became 'Legate'" in the end and turned his Alliance's guns on the Empire on Iokath. Sounds like we're going to be in for a rough reunion on the opposite sides of the wire.
Oh, and props to Moira Quirk for her VA work for Dorne. That last explosion of anger at the end was both a well-wrought reminder of what she witnessed and sought to get away from in the Empire, and utterly heart-breaking:
Dorne: "This isn't a philosophical argument! You killed Republic soldiers! MY soldiers! All to help the Sith Empire claim a super-weapon that will undoubtedly kill THOUSANDS MORE!!"
Yeah, Im really curious since Temple was allways such a strong Imperial patriot. My Fem. Agent will have the similar "problem" as yours. And I would appreciate if the developers finally put a at least some little "reveal" about the Double Agent identity issue. ;)
Dorne, yes. That last response was the exact reason why it felt so wrong for me to play WFI with Trooper this way. Killing the soldiers you might fight alongside for years before... =/
Temple was allways such a strong Imperial patriot. Not really, she is strong Chiss Ascendancy patriot.
This hurt my heart
Mostly hurts your soul..
Trooper was my least favourite story and Elara, by far, my most hated companion. I doubt I'll ever bother putting my trooper (or any other pubside characters) through the expansions, but if I do, my trooper will gladly kill this annoying bitch and side with the Empire. She was so intolerable, I don't understand how poeple like her so much.
on one side I feel sorry for elara, but on the other one I understand the trooper for not joining the republic, they abandoned him, left him on arcann's hands for years. Lana alone managed to find you and the republic with all its resources could not? I don't think so, they just didn't care, I'd feel betrayed too
Me when i have brought peace, justice, freedom and security to my new empire but her allegiance is to the republic to democracy
I would really love to see the included romance, and the Trooper sides with the Empire. I wonder how pissed and heartbroken Elara would be.
Well... that´s what I tried to do. But there was no romance included in the default setting for the boosted character. :/
It's mostly the same other than the trooper can try to appeal to their romance but she shoots you down.
YAHOO I GET TO BE A IMP TROOPER AND A HAVIC BACK STABBER / BEEEN WANTING THIS FOR YEARS / IF I COULD HAVE JUST JUMPS OVER TO THE IMP SIDE AT START OF GAME I WOULD HAVE / BESIDES STORY CHANGING WHERE U GET HEROIC .S WOULD HAVE CHANGED TO / DONT THINK I COULD GO BACK ON REP FLEET FOR THEM AFTER THE JUMP
shes such a great voice actris
Too bad my trooper couldn't airlock Quinn after this scene :D
the first one hurt really bad
Elara is such a hypocrite. Was planning on romancing her but now that I know she just ends the marriage over a small choice like this makes me not want to bother anymore.
10 months late, but i don't care. ''small choice'' dude, this character just sided with the sith empire, the faction she dedicated her life to fight against, how is that a small choice?
Frak. Elara is *SCARY* when she’s angry.
Damn! That first one was very emotional
Yes :(....
I'm glad my trooper, who is female, decided to stay with the Republic.
Gotta agree again. Im glad for mine female one too. :)
Is there ni gameplay movie with this trooper.
"Good soldiers always follow orders" is something she would say to me when we played in the basic campaign. It hurts to see a teammate be mad at you.
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this exact phrase is also what clones said when they were ordered to execute order 66 so... not sure if you should like her
For all of my characters I haven't bee able to bring myself to have them side with the opposite faction.
Even if it's a new character of the same class. I am very tempted thought to have my Imperial agent to side with the Republic because she is a spy after all.
Is this the last the Trooper Commander see's of Dorne?
So far, yes. That said, there's no confirmation of her dying anywhere so there's a chance we could see her again.
Given the comments on Elara's alleged hypocrisy, that would be cool to see Bioware address it if a reunion happens.
I want to see one where she was romanced and the player picks the empire
I hope we get to see her again in the future (in timelines where you sided with the Empire on Iokath, of course).
My guess is she'll appear again when the player starts to actively search for the Jedi-in-hiding. If so, I imagine there will be a BIG discussion, especially if the Trooper went back into the Republic for Ossus.
Nope. If you side with the Empire, she's done with you.
The last 2 are so hypocritical. You always have the attack fleet and super weapon if you side with the Republic. Moreover Dorne is just as responsible for killing your soldiers and that of your allies. I think pointing out the fact you chose to fight her would have been enough. Then again, she came prepared to fight you too.
What armor set are you wearing?
It´s Stalwart Protector Set with Deep Green and White Dye Module. =)
Damn unfortunately for her I’m with Lana
rekt
Never heard her first responce. After that... I might even stop hating her.
It's just me hating patriotism. And Elara is full of it.
Am I the only one who thinks she's right, even for a light side playthrough. Light or dark, who chose you to become a dictator of the galaxy? what gave you the right? The right to decide which planets get food as which ones starve? Which factions get their claims legitimised? Who will say what you are doing is wrong? And who can overrule you if the actions you take are petty or wrong?
Spoiler Alert:
Theron is right, you don't deserve this power, you need to be brought down. And not be replaced with just another dictator, no matter how many food packages you sent or people you spare. It should never have been in your hands to make those choices. And Theron might win, that Chiss had the vision that he would, and it's inevitable that somehow in someway, the eternal alliance must fall, along with the empire.
Because neither were present during the clone wars
mini2239 If I remember correctly, Lana, Theron and the others during chapter 8 or 9 didn't give you a choice, they all basically TOLD you you were going to be the commander. Remember, in the game, our characters are Mary Sues and Martin Stus. So we're like the most powerful people in the galaxy, universe, etc. Remember leveling up how stuff we, the players, found easily done but the quest givers acted like it was damn near impossible for them or armies to do? It was like with Quinn's dumb ass betrayal during the sw story, if you were light sided or even married to him, it made no sense for him to be a douche canoe, but if you were dark side homocidal and treated all your companions like shit, then it made more sense. Hell, I would have betrayed a jedi if they were dark side and an ass hat.
But my point is, that the reason you're in charge is because Lana and the others made you in charge. They didn't vote on it, or give you a choice. Lana even says they didn't give you a choice, you just were. So if Theron is all butt hurt over you having 'power' or being a dictator, it's his own fault for not speaking up when they made you the commander of the alliance.
Perhaps, but take away the gameplay barrier of not having a choice and simply take this from the perspective of someone in the universe my point still stands. The outlander could have always blown up the fleet
mini2239 everybody fucked up but you, and empress acina is trying to keep the empire alive republic is bloated running out of resources falling apart and can't decide on doing anything is run by people who's best skill is talking. emperor vaylin and arcan are mad tyrants
And elara is an hypocrite oh I'm sure the supperweapon is an paperweight for the supremechancilor who's an puppet without an master after chapter 2
And SPOILERS Theron hasn't betrayed you but tried to save the galaxy from the order of zildrog finding zildrog but you lose the gravestone and the fleet
Republic that's falling apart? How can they be falling apart, they exist for another few thousand years?
mini2239 falling apart doesn't mean it will rigth now there are major shortages in raw resources
And look at the republic after the war with exar it spawned 3 more wars witch crippled the republic than they rebuilt than came 2 wars with the sith empire and one more with the ethereal empire and than 1 more with the sith which they nearly lost and entered the dark age losing alot of knowledge and technology and completely forgot about yavin 4 and losing most of the planets outside of the core