Review: Denon DJ Prime 4 Standalone DJ System | Tips and Tricks
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- Mojaxx reviews Denon DJ's Prime 4 standalone DJ system. Subscribe to DJcityTV: bit.ly/127fT8P
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I used mine for the first time at a gig last night. Was mixing jungle dnb... Absolutely smashed it. Its brilliant.
Denon should team up with Native Instrument-Traktor. DenonDJ lead the hardware side and NI lead software side. Imagine the result.
EDMBro 0698 i came here to give this comment then i saw yours ... cheers that will be amazing
Won’t happen, NI from Germany have laid off loads off staff prob for cost cutting, and Denon notoriously protects its own IP...would be a sick collab though
Your idea sounds like recipe for domination 🙂
Denon need help with the software side and Traktor with the hardware side so its in their own interest to work together. Good luck to Traktor to regain his high position in the dj market from the past alone and good luck to Denon to get the industry standard top spot alone . Its better to share a really huge part of cake with someone else than have a small part of cake alone. I used both of your products in the past and they were great but Pioneer DJ have the greatest formula from now sorry. This need to happen !
EDMBro 0698 this is very true and Native Instruments does collaborate with other companies such as Soft Tube so maybe they will
Been waiting on this one!
It’s really easy to mix 3/4 decks, it’s just not complicated, never thought I would leave pioneer, but it has been great.
After testing my new prime 4 for a couple of days I can absolutely confirm on your conclusion. This is such a beautiful engineered well layout piece of hardware.
But when it comes to software firmware and workflow is not just finished. I can't go on stage with this I'll stick to my Traktor S4 until Denon get some sense into it.
Need to have a play with one of these, great review 🏅
Great review.I shared your same opinion on the software and adjustable screen in my last Denon Video, you might have said it a little nicer though. :-)
Hey @DJcityTV, I have a special question for you :
Will tags put on tracks in Rekordbox show up on the Prime 4 ?
Cheers for your awesome and useful content / Simon
if i was a mobile dj then i think this would be a unit i would want and being able to plug in turntables as well on top of all the other great things this machine can do is fab.Its right to say that this machine requires top notch software to go with it so i hope Denon will sort that out soon .
Nice review. Noticed the new technics 1210 there ... review soon?
Mojaxx always keepin it real 💪🏾.
I’m very sure that his view on the windows os and hardware at the moment is strangely off kilter for an experienced DJ and I say with a genuine respect for Chris but after nearly 10 years experience with windows/Serato/HP/Dell myself I don’t use windows or ever wish to with DJ software and hardware ever again. They Windows system is just far to troublesome on a near constant basis. Apple MacOS simply cannot be matched for this purpose and I was really surprised to see and hear Chris vehemently stating that macOS is dead for him. It’s line Lewis Hamilton giving up his supercar and hoping to win F1 with gokart!
@@Panslapper
I use windows, no issues.
Azmael UrbanKiz I don’t doubt many might well do. The Apple ethos of “it just works” is certainly not applicable to Windows OS on the same consistent as it is where Apple are concerned. Windows laptops do take a lot more optimising generally in my experience.
PRIME4 needs to come out with (M) model... for motorized platters like the sc5000 Ms 👍
such a pity it wasn't there two years ago when I bought an mcx8000, that just looks cool, and they fixed the track loading without the DB
Looks just like Zangief from Streetfighter
its funny ive used RB and serato for years and i absolutely love Engine prime. It does what its supposed to do simply and faster than any other. Its not a performance software so i dont know what else you would want from it?
This is the future of Djing for sure!! Stand alone device I mean. Great work Denon. The price is a point!! you can offert a very capable set up for less than one cdj 2000 Nxs 2.... . I hope reloop is working on something similar. Thank you Mojaxx nice review as always. Take care and have a great summer!
for the home/mobile market sure, but for real music pros I highly doubt it.
@@AnonIllumi why that?
@@mathieufleury6787 standardisation, pioneer has the installation market (meaning clubs and Bars) and with equipment failure during a gig it so easy to swap out 1 player over an all-in 1, plus most booths don't have the space festivals are id different matter but most will still rate pioneer gear in their rider.
@@AnonIllumi I wrote "stand alone " is the future and I still mean it. Pioneer will some to it if they want to remind the choice off clubs. Cdj 2000 are over dated.
@@mathieufleury6787right your English is a little bad so I think you mean overrated, yes I agree...
and here comes the BUT!!! Technics... turntablism, it is the same argument .
Could you also confirm whether the colour effects (pioneer nomenclature sorry) work on vinyls being played?
Sound Quality is excellent
My club owner was amazed with the sound when l dj
Offered me another night 😊
Thanks for the Review 👍🏻
What about the buttons and knobs? The same cheap plastik buttons and knobs as on the MC 7000 or MCX 8000 installed? Although Denon says everything has been redeveloped/redesigned from the Ground, somehow I do not believe in it. Even the display is from the MPC X and this device has been on the market for over 2 years.
beast of a machine ❤
How do you feel about the Engine software now? Have the updates been substantial?
Why not make the screen detachable. And add a HDMI video output port if you want to hook it up to a external display monitor, so you have an option.
5:18 would be cool if it could create a cue file as well with the wav file, so you know which part of the mix had which track. Would be useful for uploading to mix cloud later on.
Saving for a whole here this the rx2 or wait a bit longer for the xz what do you guys think
My PC died and my old laptop runs 32bit Windows. Am I in a hurry to replace my PC or laptop just to run Engine Prime? Absolutely not. I'll make due with what limited features within my SC5000 to handle my music library. Cumbersome but I'll wait and see if Denon releases a version of Engine Prime that's worth installing first before I upgrade.
Them toy collection though 🔥🔥🔥
That's a really nice unit
Can effects, or even channel filters, still not be used with external sources?
Pretty sure the channel filters on my MC7000 work with external inputs....
My prime 4 froze on me yesterday in the first gig I used it in. I was using streaming through tidal and sound erratic the usb stick at the same time. The hardware controls weee working fine so I could still mix. After about 20 minutes the scream came back. Today I noticed many videos showing freezing problems. What’s the deal with this? Do you still have the same opinion you had when you recorded this video years ago?
So what do you think of the Prime 4 now that Engine DJ has been majorly updated? Want to pull the trigger on a Prime 4 and LC6000
Very good gear. Equally the Pioneer XDJ-RX, RX2, and RR I very much think so.
Thanks for the Useful Review .
I am big fan of Denon products and was thinking of getting Prime 4. But on the other side I am using Traktor software since its beginning in 2000. So, my decision was to get S4mk3 because of 4 reasons: 1. Software here is not even close to Traktor 2. Its not compact / mobile machine 3. The S4 rotating wheels are just amazing 4. Price. But I do appreciate a lot the screen feature / no laptop.... well done Denon!
It’s hilariously that Traktor still dominates any Pioneer gear. Does Pioneer even discuss their designs with actual DJs?
Hi, is possible to connect an external monitor display to the prime 4?
if only the jog wheeel was a bit bigger great controller though the touch screen is wicked
Is there a way to put streaming music in bpm order? I can only do it with a use stick.
What a monster machine 💪😍
Liking the cheeky Pitch Meeting reference 😊
So glad at least one person got it 😂
@@Mojaxx Not only one :D :D
Pitch meeting references are tight!
Are there any themes for layout/look yet?
Hmm.... So exciting
I know prime4 does not do karaoke music could i run my laptop into prime 4 to play karaoke music and run video from laptop to tv and the prime4 play music and laptop play video
To be honest, I'm not sure what other features in the software would be needed for this hardware. You basically need analysis and export functions as well as cue and loop creation and the Prime software does this fine. If you want more granular library control I would wait for Serato integration before buying.
How does the jog wheels compare to Numark ns6mk2 in terms on scratching? Which one has a better response?Also can you replace crossfader to a inofader pro this would be wonderfull.
Yes, the crossfader is replaceable.
Were the effects ever added to external inputs?
Considering Torq was acquired by Inmusic in 2013 after it was discontinued in 2012 and was ahead of the game back in 2007 I am surprised that Denon DJ hasn't used any of the stuff found in that software, elastique time stretch was genius. Ok it's 2019 now, but there's still some stuff that Torq was able to do even after it was discontinued that the others have only recently caught up with. Have to wonder what InMusic is really doing with all the DJ soft/hardware companies that it has acquired in the last 10 years...
Torq was the best
I loved torq
does it play also Ogg vorbis files?
Can 2 Laptop DJs plug in at the same time and do change overs?
I tried it at westend dj recently and had a dj next to me who was on an older denon mcx8000 (I think). We were both laughing about its capabilities - it is amazing. Great review thanks MMMMOOOOOJAXXXX well done denon.
why did he put his usb in the charging port?
How did you add tracks to the crate you created? My intuition is letting me down 😂 😂 😂 great review again Mojaxx! 👍
Don’t feel dumb, I had to ask my contact at Denon DJ how to do it because I couldn’t work it out either!
You long press on one of the tracks you’ve selected and drag to the crate, which then drags them all. Simple once you know how to do it, but not immediately obvious, for sure.
@@Mojaxx 👌 thank you so much for that! Brilliant review. Spot on with regards to the hardware. Once I had imported my files to engine I found it not soooo bad to use. What's your biggest gripe/s with it at the moment? The firmware update was really good. I had the same issue with regards to the jog wheels. 👍
Super Lazy I use smart crates on other platforms all the time, it’s my main way of organising my library. And I’d be much happier with Serato-style beatgridding.
Also, the way you have 2 copies of each track in your collection when you have a media device connected is incredibly irritating.
Nothing dealbreaking, but other platforms do this stuff better.
Did Denon ever add the abilty to use the FX on external sources?
Same screen from the akai mpc X
Burn down engine prime and build it from the ground up....
I couldn't agree more....it's terrible!
The players and this however, are the bollocks
if you are on MacOS there is an alternative to Engine Prime that actually allows you to keep your workflow and just convert to Prime including the original exact BPM, all cues, all loops and can be used incremental. and it will maintain 4! different backups of the Engine Library in case it gets damaged by the player.
Could you explain a bit what is so bad about the software, Mojax states the library for example but not being a denon user it looks pretty standard to me?
Yup true
The prime 4 is indeed, a force to be reckoned with.
Mix Master G Does it work spot on with transition tracks that change BPM mid track and where is a link to that solution?
Hey Mojaxx when playing vinyl can that be recorded via the record function on this unit? And have you heard any news about the update for applying FX on the channels using vinyl?
Thanks.
Yes, you can record your vinyl directly to a memory stick.
@@arthureschner9319 that's great thank you. Do you own one Arthur? Love to hear your thoughts.
@@jahzen7 Yes I own one. I absolutely love it. Mojaxx summed it up pretty good. Engine Prime lets it down by not not having flexible beat grids & not being able to manually expand / shrink the grids to fix incorrect bpm detections. The lack of effects on external inputs (like vinyl) is a bit of a let down too (although the filter does work). Serato integration is ok, you don't get moving waveforms on the screen but overall it works well (I don't use it though - defeats the purpose of standalone). Tidal is very useful for those oddball requests. They plan on releasing support for Beatport, Soundcloud & Some other music service (I forget what). If you install an ssd, searching is decent (gets slightly slower with larger libraries, but still acceptable). Small issues that still need to be addressed are: 1) Mic level gate threshold - Mic occasionally looses 1st word when people talk softly. 2) Record level - Level of recordings are low unless channel gains are turned much higher than usual. 3) Direct browser track preview - Ability to preview a track before loading it onto a deck. The things listed above are all things Denon have already confirmed will be addressed with firmware updates, which is now called "Prime OS" - Fancy hey! Lol!! The P4 just gets better with each firmware update. I have no doubt that with all the new hardware they just announced at NAMM 2020, the EP software will be sorted out soon too. So things are looking really positive right now. Overall the unit is rock-solid reliable and a lot of fun to play on. If you're thinking about getting one, I highly recommend it.
@@arthureschner9319 how is it holding up now, any improvements with prime engine.
My main concern is the fx for external devices such as turntables. Main reason I'm looking to switch from my SX2 to either the prime 4 an xdj xz or wait for now and see what's in the pipeline from both companies
@@shanecharley3269 Sorry for the late reply. EP is in beta stage now (V1.6beta), where they have implemented flexible beat grids and it is working flawlessly for me. Denon have also released a beta firmware for the actual P4 which has sorted out the microphone gate problem by giving us an adjustable software slider that we can now set the threshold or turn it off completely. Track preview has also been implemented & All streaming platforms (with the exception of Spotify) has been implemented. The recording level is still low but rumour has it that they might implement a record level adjustment for us. Overall the P4 has just been getting better & better with each update. I sadly doubt that we will be getting any other effects for external sources, I suspect the P4 analog circuitry is not affected at all by any software updates. So it seems like we will only ever have filters on external sources (although I could be wrong - or should I say, I hope I am)
How would you add more music to the SSD drive. Do you to remove the drive every time you want to add more music? What is the process.
Its 2019, connect controller to pc thru usb and controller ssd will act as a usual ssd storage.
Transfer
Hey Mojave, how are you doing. Just giving you some useful info on the prime 4 . You can’t Access the sampler in Serato unless you map the controller or plug in the pioneer ddj-sp1 and it works great and you can still access the other performance modes pads as usual. Also you can plug it in to your Mac and use the audio input capture in obs too (still trying it out but I get a audio reading so I think it’s good to go. Will send you more details. Stay safe.
A top device^^
So, how did the software progress? Any improvements?
Definetly! FW 1.6 added flexible beatgrids, which was the final major thing I missed, otherwise it's doing the job very well. I dont need smart crates.
I'll wait on the prime 5 with the sc5000 moving platters.. that way the screen won't stick out further than the unit..complete club package.
better than pioneer?
Your right it is 2019, that is why it should take a m.2 drive, not a standard ssd.
The software is always gonna be a weakness. I hope the group in New Zealand does the job.
what a new Zeland based company, doubt he means Serato XD
Maybe having a team in NZ means they can work closely with Serato, to get better integration of Denon kit with Serato, and maybe even help the development of Denon software...
I wonder what response will be coming from Pioneer, surely it's in the finished stages, I'll wait a bit longer.
Looks like Pioneer's response was a BIG mixer....lol
Super easy, barely inconvenient!!!, I get that reference...
Cool T-shirt. Taiwan No.1.
Real DJ's dnt Sugarcoat!
I just put in a 2TB hard drive inside my unit and just put my entire arsenal in there. I don't get why the denon prime 4 gets so much hate. Especially for the price your getting so much bang for your buck. I got mine through Agipro and it came with a decent case which protects the screen and snugs perfectly. Best on the market if you ask me. Especially when Denon is perfecting the firmware with updates.
I have given up trying to add music to the internal drive. Prime just times out too much. I want out and bought an external harddrive and added my files to that and just plug it in. That seems to work awesome for me. Cant wait for the software to catch up. Truth be told cant wait until the serato update happens.
That’s definitely something I would ask Denon DJ for support with, as it has been working fine for me (on Windows).
Are you using ssd or HD?
Super Lazy Good question. My suspicion is that most spinning platter drives will draw too much power, and so the system won’t like it. SSD 100% the only way to go.
@@superlazy3355 I used an hd just because that's what I had laying around. I'm waiting on my new ssd to come in and I'll try again for now I'm able to dj with this glorious beast and my external.
@@DeeJayShowTime once you get the ssd in there, it's the muttleys nuttleys... I didn't realise and like a dork I was using a sata to USB cable, but you can connect the blue USB cable from laptop to prime 4 and transfer that way. You have to put it Into controller mode. Good luck and ✌️ 😎
We've been complaining about Engine Prime for ages now. The beat grids have gotten a bit better, but track tagging/library management is absolute trash. And where the hell are smart crates?
The hardware is such a cut above Pioneer but I'm considering selling my SC5000s because managing my library is such a pain.
gtiman Kind of strange really that Denon did not accelerate the modifications of their own software. Somewhere Pioneer are exceptional. I personally really like Rekordbox DJ and if I am really honest even as a hardcore Serato user I have to say even Serato looks childish next to Pioneers software.
I got the P 4 a few weeks back and I wasn't impressed the way I wished I was. With the ''Change your rider'' I expected this to have all the basics as the ruling brand and then with the power it has a lot of extras. The extras is there, but not the basics, and that's a lot worse. Then there's a bunch of just irritating details, completely unnecessary. I've been doing this since 1985 and swapped to CD's in 1994/95 and since 2009 I use RB's USB devices. I've never used a controller except for my DDJ-RB, which sounded horrible and just confirmed my ideas about controllers... but I got it for the Rekordbox DJ software as someone suggested once. As I'm out there 15-17 days/month playing, time to change the way I play is of no interest, and probably not very possible. I can see that people coming from the controller world think they are in heaven using this for the first time, but for me, it was a huge disappointment.
1. I need the classic CDJ mode with stutter. I set cue points on the first frame of a beat and in a noisy environment that is impossible with this unit. That destroys any perfect timing when starting tracks both channels full on.
2. The jog is a joke. Free spinning like nothing I've used before. My 16 year old CDJ-200's does a better job.
3. I need horizontal waveform so I was very happy when that came out the day I got the P 4. To find out how activate that on the other hand... took me half an hour and finally had to rely on TH-cam to find out. Things like that if this was in the booth for any first time user... naah. Then the disappointment when i finally got the waves horizontal going to Browse... an empty row of Crates occupying half the screen, and on the other half, fonts the size even I can reed from meters away, 7 rows of text and only half the filename that need to scroll to see the whole filename, which is how I view my music. That's on par with the 10 year old CDJ-2000 1st gen. ...on a 10'' screen!
4. Intuitive it's not. Things like the key-combo needed to switch to horizontal waves can not exist on a device if ''Change your rider'' is ever going to happen. Again so unnecessary when there's a screen menu where this setting should be. I've already been in a meeting where the RX2 was voted before the P 4 to buy just because of this.
5. Design and layout. First thing, I almost broke the X-fader Contour knob. Someone probably already have. To have anything sticking out on the front on a steep unit like this is pure stupidity. When placed with a wall behind it, someone short like me need to tilt the units back up to see where to connect the cables, and that's again something controller DJ's are used to, but not me who are used to mixers where nothing is on the front, at least not sticking out like that.
6. The engine software....
7. And the fact I didn't yet know, that the effects can not be used with external players... Something I really didn't like with the XDJ-R1 and one of the reasons I sold it. One would think that Denon should learn from others mistakes and stick to making their own.
8. Mentioned before but deserves it's own mention. The 10'' screen. There's 3 times more and useful info on the RX2 7'' screen, which is the closest I can compare to, at least used as a 2 player unit. Why? I need to see what happens when I'm in browser mode and a simple time counter doesn't cut it. Expected more and better and I got less.
All of the above could easily have been avoided and as I see it, the customer in mind for this unit is controller DJ's who want a stand-alone-unit and to some degree mobile DJ's. For us who use club standard gear as our daily driver, and occasionally need to bring our own gear, this is not the unit to buy. No change of rider for me. My unit will be for sale soon unless Denon at least fixes everything software related and the stutter when in CDJ mode. Otherwise the XDJ-RX2 or a set of XDJ-700's and a DJM-450 will be a much better choice for me. When I buy a pro tool it is because I have use for it now, not in a year or two. The P 4 is a power tool, certainly not the precision tool I need.
What are your thoughts 2 months later?
@@SoundKata It hasn't changed. The stuff Denon introduces with the P 4 is of no or very little interest to me. My workstation, and even my laptop, is many times faster and more powerful than any Denon hardware, and I have my preparations done before I go to a gig and streaming music will not be a part of how I play as long as I stay active. Sorry to say, the functions I really needed the most, doesn't seem to become available on the P 4, so I sold it and got a used Pioneer setup in excellent condition for half the price, $1000.
I choose between the RX2 and the XDJ-700/DJM-450, and I got the later. Perfect setup for the intended use. Smaller footprint and lighter than both the RX2 and P 4. The whole setup in a hardcase is only 2 kg more than 1 CDJ-2000NXS2 in hardcase, and as it is modular, I can combine the parts with the different mixers/players that I have available if I need to. When I only need to bring the players, taking off the foot stand, they fit B2B in one hand to carry.
The first week I got the setup, I used it on 3 different gigs. The P 4 were sitting on a table for + 2 months completely useless. I have now had the XDJ-700s and the DJM-450 for a month and a half, and despite me working on a cruiser for 21 of those days, the setup has been with me on 9 gigs already. That's what I call good value, and everything just works, as expected and is exactly what I need.
What do you think of the new Denon SC6000 players showing at NAMM this week...?
@@isaiahfurrow7414 They look better with the Pioneer look, for sure, ha ha, but the only new thing seems to be the bigger screen and some improvement to the jog wheel. This is now a huge player, so to bring a pair or more to every gig, nah, no way. This is a club installation model, so why they made this hdd ready, I don't know. I guess they did because they could :) . As they do have the exact same OS as the rest of the prime series, and it still doesn't have the CDJ mode I use, they are still not usable for me. To clear what I mean when I say that: I can use any gear out there as long as they read my drives where I have my music, but as I can't perform at my best on gear where I have to adapt, I won't use them. As I am in a position where I can decide what new gear is getting in the clubs where I play, Denon will have no chance as long as I and others can't use them to our fullest satisfaction. It's as easy as that. And that goes everywhere, so that's why there's no Denon gear in any clubs yet, 3 years after the release of the 5000's, despite that they are doing some really good gear now and has models for more Dj's. I've said it before. You can't win people over if you take away any of the basic functionality DJ's have been using for decades. Any other new functions means nothing if I can't continue to play the way I want. That goes for most DJ's. When I say that I'm called a lot of things by the people who really love the new Denons. Instead they should want the Denon to make the options I and others need to make us accept the Denon gear. I won't change my mind and most other DJ's won't either.
@@dj-peterofficial2753 it seems like with as sophosticated as the computer is inside these players, and all the menu options, settings,etc... it shouldn't be hard to make the feature you're after be possible...
I do mobile gigs, private events, weddings , and some bars and other local venues for holidays and such.
I have been a Serato user mainly fot the last handful of years, and my main setup is currently an MC7000, along with some other gear and wireless mics, all in a flightcase with 2u rackspace under the controller.
My laptop does NOT go online unless absolutely necessary. I'm looking to get a Denon SC5000 or maybe the new 6000, for backup situations, as well as to have the 3rd deck handy for Tidal, and possibly for keeping some other tools handy, especially if scratching on the bigger jog is nicer than on a controller. I have a pair of older Pioneer CDJ players, not NEXUS, and they're handy for instances where I might need to use CDs , but I don't prefer the mechanical jog wheels, I prefer the capacitive feel similar to most controllers.... would probably be different if it were spinning platters...
At least there is so much great gear the last few years.... now if I could just find some more truly great new music lately ...lol
Cheers
Yeah, speaking of the software, I also "have a dream"... that one day sort observant engineer will finally realize that their waveforms are moving in the wrong direction.
Records spin to the right, not to the left.
@@sheateeley1 Are you serious?
On a record or tape, the audio stream always moves under the needle or play head, from *left to right*...
But on all current DJ software, it moves *right to left*. It's reversed.
In the beginning, some dummy at Serato was copying the layout in audio editing software, and got it configured wrong. Since then every subsequent developer has just duplicated his original mistake.
It's very dislecsic (sp?) and confusing for me and many others. Their visual waveform always moves the opposite way that the record and my hand are moving. It's just ike looking in a mirror... everything is backward.
Some Virtual DJ users recognized the problem, and started complaining about ten years ago. So the developers finally added an option to correct the direction in VDJ7. It was a half-a$$ed fix that didn't work just right, but a lot of people (myself included) used it anyway.
Since the release of VDJ8, that option has been deleted. A lot of people have complained, but the company basically just doesn't care what we think.
Serato Itch also had an option to place the waveforms on the left side of the screen, moving upward. I liked that very well also, as it had the added benefit of placing the track side locations in correspondence with their respective controllers. But there again in spite of many complaints, that option is no longer available in Serato DJ.
You're trying too hard.
@@eduardojose8172 I think you meant to say that I was overly verbose.
Transition Track Beat Gridding!!!! Denon Engine Prime!!!!! Or when importing Rekordbox DO NOT RE- ANALYZE GRID/BPM INFO ... I'm about Ready to Throw my SC5000's in the Trash right Now because I have a great track with varying BPMs that is Completely Unusable on this hardware (when using sync ... which I do in my streams to make things cleaner and allow me more time to engage with my audience) Because it will throw everything out of sync. Yes I can beat match by ear and could add a note for what the correct BPM is and mix a track in that works... But That requires far more thinking than you should have to do in this day and age.
Rekordbox beat grid is spot on... dead to rights perfect.. heck I can get close enough using dynamic mode to avoid train wrecks , but if I actually grid the track I can make it absolutely perfect with the tempo drops and all.
The hardware ( I have SC5000's & x1800 but I'm sure the prime 4 is great as well ) Really does deserve a lot better preparation software for STAND ALONE mode. Not 3rd party laptop software integration.
Most of us bought this gear to ditch the laptop!
-END RANT
alex proud ok... so if you automatic car won't shift gears on its own you gonna blame yourself for not getting a manual transmission? Bro I bought new gear to do things impossible to do with my turntables. These players have loop functions that rely on the grid, effects in the x1800 rely on the grid, quantize functions rely on the grid, and I'd love to see you do 128 to 175 bpm BLEND without using sync. Gtfo here with that outdated argument. I can mix vinyl by ear... I didn't spend $5000+ on these things at launch because They were media players, I spent the $ for the next generation in technological advancement and creativity these players were supposed to provide , & that promise has not been met because of denons poor software and lackluster updates that have yet to address basic issues every other DJ software publisher has mastered.
They could have at least made the jog wheel bigger. It could have been perfect.
Love the P4 but the jog wheels are terrible.
Denon needs Traktor!
So there is no way to contact the SC5000? 😞 that’s a bit of a let down.
Tested it at a music store and i found the sound horrible compared to a cdj 2000 nxs djm 900 nxs setup.
FURST!! 😅
The whole point of this hardware is to not use software. For those who don’t want to have to use a computer in their DJ workflow. The Engine software is irrelevant. It’s the advantage over Pioneer
Hi as a big company like Denon there is no access ability features screen reading software and which would be useful for blind people so we can actually do the same as our cited counterparts I hope this can be rectified so far I feel discriminated against as a blind person using touchscreen accessibility screen reading software and it’s not that hard
Super easy barely an inconvenience 😂👌
Not entirely sure why I would ever prefer a standalone unit over a laptop with a controller. Looks like a pretty impressive piece of hardware though.
Jan Lübbers it’s better for trouble shooting - it takes the guesswork out of where the problem is, if a problem should occur, (computer or controller or cable connecting them) ✌️💯
My mcx8000 was TRASH. I traded it for 2 15” yorkville subs. Thank god. The guy loves it though
DJ_RueBoi 😮😂😭😂
It wasn't quite trash, but it was just overall not an effective unit. Sold mine with even the hint of something better coming out...the prime 4. Definitely glad I did. Prime 4 is light years ahead of MCX-8000
I love mine, did my first gig on Saturday absolutely Flawless.
@@DJPOPAAL played out on Saturday as well. Worked brilliantly,. Everyone was impressed with it. Just needs way to transfer songs from external sticks to the internal drive or add them to your crates on the fly.
WD C I contacted Denon through instagram a few days ago, and asked the same question. They said that transferring music to the unit from flash-drives will be available on the next update as well, as the ability to use Serato with the Prime 4.
I love reading all the pioneer fanboy comments . It’s quite amusing . Wake me up when pioneer makes a 4 channel standalone unit (Crickets) (crickets). What’s that ? The Pioneer Xz????? Yeah that’s the latest piece of kit from pioneer and it’s only 2 channel standalone wah wah wah. But we still have to listen to these fanboys bashing the Prime 4 lmao
Haaaaa haaa “super easy, barely and inconvenience”
that caught me so off guard!!
Making Pitch meeting references without intentionally doing so are tight!
all you reviews usually cover turntablist style scratching...is that not something that this unit should be used for. I am not a turntablist but i do a lot of hiphop and some scratching
kraal wiggins i switched out the crossfader to an Innofader Mini. The jogs are a little loose tension wise. For basic scratch transitions it works fine.
Traded my SC5000s in after 5 months for some pioneers. Can’t help but feel relieved. The lack of progress in the software eroded my confidence in the platform
Can you tell Denon is owned by in music not much of there stuff progresses they suck at software development
good ol new zealand
Fast forward to today ..the software is still shocking.
Vesion 1.6 is absolutely okay. No need for hyperboles. Give it some more time. RB was just as shitty at first.
Only 'shocking' thing is your stupid statement. It's not perfect, but perfectly useable.
I have a dream that Denon will make a controller that doesnt have jogs and faders that suck ass
I cant beatmatch on the prime 4. It always clashes the beat. I can beatmatch by ear on cdj-2000s, but not on this thing. Had to sell it and bought 10 year old pioneer gear, what actually works.
Looks like they spent most of their time on the big screen and everything is second nature. Other reviewers mention the jog wheel way too sensitive and the screen is non viewable in direct sunlight. Do your home work Denon.
Nothing ground breaking...
reminds me of the Numark iDJ2 a pass for me...
This is not a tips and tricks video...
Denon can stick to making very nice gift amps I’ll stick with pioneer for my mixing ,
Engine prime .....
Simply no good
The software is bad. i wish the next software developers gets is right !!!!!!!!!!!
Nothing beats 2 s3700s and the x1700. This new inmusic stuff just isn’t up tO par. Why should you unscrew the compartment for hard drive when a pull out latch system is so much better. What happens if that screen fails in 2 years and Denon has moved on to the prime 4 mk2.... the before in music Denon had this solved by linking to an iPad To expand your screen. That would have been the way to go while keeping the cost down. I won’t get started on engine. Even the old Denon knew it was a pain point.