so basically you pay from hundreds to thousands of dollars to get low quality paste on the cpu which you should swap yourself and void warranty? and nobody makes an issue out of it?
It's not the stock thermal paste that is low quality, but the gap between the die and IHS created by the thick layer of adhesive silicone. I'm really disappointed that Linus didn't cover this at all, in fact they skipped over removing the adhesive.
Dude... 20 degree difference! Maybe not for a workstation but for O.C.? Hell yes. Also the question isn’t “should I delid” but “why did I have to in the first place?”
The high temperatures are caused by improper contact between the IHS and the die. The improper contact is caused when the adhesive used to bond the IHS to the substrate dries and cures, because it apparently expands and slightly lifts the IHS. Removing the thick ring of adhesive from the substrate allows the IHS to make proper contact with the die, which allows the IHS to transfer heat more efficiently.
+KemoKa77 no, you are wrong. Core 2 Duo E4xxx, E6xxx, E7xxx, Pentium Dual Core, All Celerons for S478/S775 and some AMD's like X2 5000+ BE - none of them was soldered and its not even complete list. Even S478 Pentium 4 with HT wasnt soldered lol You can delid all of them and check for yourself / check on Google.
No, it's pretty over engineered. Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication, when you have to tell a VW computer that you put a new battery in it there's a problem with your designs.
Delidding a brand new CPU is risky. A good option is to consider delidding your CPU when you hesitate to change it. Instead of buying a new one, just try to delid the old one, first. If you succeed, you will be good to enjoy and overclock your old CPU for one more year. If you fail, just buy a new one. (You were hesitating, anyway) Delidding is a good option for giving a chance to your old CPU to get a second life. Even if it's just for 6 monthes, it is worth the price of a delid tool and thermal paste.
I just bought a delidded 4790K. Can one relid it manually? I propose to use very little silicone and to install the CPU in the socket before the sealant is fully dry. Any adjustment of IHS position will take place as the socket frame is lowered and locked. Then the pressure from the socket frame and the cooler bring the die, IHS and cooler, with respective TIMs, into better contact. Comments?
I am pretty sure tooth paste will actually win... Only logical reason I can think of for Intel to use so bad cooling paste is they WANT your CPU to run hot so it will only last just as long as the warranty and also not over clock well to make you buy new faster and more expensive CPU. I absolutely hate all companies that is so greedy that they sabotage their own products to sell more....
Gets an angle grinder and cut the cpu in half* "Now you see this mirror? Put half a gallon of thermal paste on it, then put the whole thing back and secure it in place with tweezers"
Linus Sex Tips start at 6:35 Timeline: 6:41 - Peak depth 6:44 - Premature ejaculation 6:48 - Tries to act like nothing happened 6:52 - Confused as to what's taking so long...??? 6:58 - Realisation of wrong hole 7:01 - Partner noticed so he had to remove it 7:05 - Ashamed about what happened, relieves stress by admitting cost of 'process' 7:15 - Has second thoughts, he's gone this far, there's no turning back now! 7:18 - Tears partner a new asshole 7:21 - Admires view 7:27 - Spots burst implants
For the prices they OVERCHARGE, the very least they could do is spend a dollar more a chip on decent Thermal paste. They are such money grubbing bastards. I used to be a fan but that was a long time ago. Everyone deserves a decent profit but they have become the epitome of greed!
it is better a Delid with liquid metal and a silver one that is better than the copper one and the one that you manufacture and you put a liquid cooling and it is the best thing that exists and what you can do to maintain the lowest temperatures you will see in your life because after that is already occupying liquid nitrogen and that is already at another level hahahahaha but remember: delid Liquid metal dei of silver liquid refrigeration in that order later on all that liquid nitrogen 😂😂😂😁 greetings from Chile
Not over engineered. Cuz of the size and amount of sealant on the chip. A lever is needed to multiply the force you'd be able to apply by the hex key alone. Math is fun
Well it would be substantially less then 5$ to do the manufacturing proper if they just used a proper tim probably pennies more per chip but hey greed i mean they are charging outrageous prices anyways why would we expect things to be done right with the level of greed intel has consistently demonstrated
I don't understand one fucking bit, why after spending 1000 bucks on a fucking processor, it's necessary to have to de-lid it and apply better thermal compound to to it. Shame on the manufacturer for putting such a jem at risk of overheating just to save a few cents during the manufacturing process on an already overpriced chip. I mean wouldn't they save more money in the long run by just applying better thermal compound instead of having to replace warranty covered chips that fried? It would also make your customers happier too all over just a few cents per processor. I don't know maybe they're counting on slippage from people not claiming warranties.
maybe they want to force you to buy new hardware after 3-5 years and stop you from selling your old chip on second hand market, increasing in both cases their sales... On the other hands they could just apply good thermal glue and sell the product on a higher default clock for the same price, beating the rival AMD on the price/value. Just strange
Only logical reason I can think of for doing this is they WANT your CPU to run hot so it will only last just as long as the warranty and also not over clock well to make you buy new faster and more expensive CPU. I absolutely hate all companies that is so greedy that they sabotage their own products to sell more....
they would rather have your CPU run hot, causing overheating if you overclock and would rather have you potentially destroy your CPU in an attempt to de-lid it so you'd have to buy another one
Intel really needs to stop selling people products with garbage quality materials at those prices. Was planning on getting a 7900x for my work pc, but not anymore. Hopefully they learn their lesson with v2.0 next year.
For the prices they OVERCHARGE, the very least they could do is spend a dollar more a chip on decent Thermal paste. They are such money grubbing bastards. I used to be a fan but that was a long time ago. Everyone deserves a decent profit but they have become the epitome of greed!
The Superpixeljunkie The animation software I use benefits a lot from high clock speeds/single core performance, so that's why I didn't want a 1950X. Now though, I'm leaning towards a 8700k, which still uses cheap TIMs, but at least it costs less than half of what they charge for the 7900x and it has better single core performance. Bonus is that it uses way less power and better for games on my off time. The only downside is there's less PCI lanes available, which I know I would populate.
I just discovered that the Ryzen 7 has a 213 square mm die, while the 7700 series is only 122 square mm. This answers a lot of questions about why Intel chips run hot, they have nearly half the surface area to dissipate heat into the IHS. On the 7900x, the die size is 308mm^2, while Threadripper has two 213mm^2 dies for 426mm^2 total. The 7960X or 7980X are probably a larger die than the 7900X, but this still shows that AMD have better heat dissipation characteristics through die size alone, not just because of soldering on the heatspreader vs thermal pasting it on.
Ryzen 7 die has double the surface area because it has 8 cores instead of 4. Intel processors are just glued with crap because it saves them a cool 50 cents per chip.
HiRez and your comment is just as fan boy as his. As soon as you pay attention to the design of Ryan’s it is just 2 quad core CPUs stuck together. I have no problem with this heck it is pretty smart because it works
Crimsoncube181 No, Ryzen 7 is one Octo-core die. Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3 are probably the same cpu with some cores disabled because of binning. Threadripper is literally a mix of two seperate Ryzen 3, Ryzen 5 or Ryzen 7 dies in a single cpu.
right, so thats why you delid. delidding is quite simple really. all you are doing is putting new thermal paste in, it's not that hard. if you can build a pc you can delid. the delidding tool makes it so even total noobs can do it. so just do it, it costs about 30 bux and you get something thats better than AMD for gaming. what?
Only logical reason I can think of for Intel to use so bad thermal paste is they WANT your CPU to run hot. This is to make sure it will only last just as long as the warranty and also not over clock well, all to make you buy new, faster and / or more expensive CPU... I absolutely hate all companies that is so greedy that they sabotage their own products to sell more.
And once again Linus went for thermal paste instead of liquid metal.... The whole idea is to REPLACE the Intel TIM with something that comes close to soldering the IHS and only liquid metal provides that...
Why didnt you use something like Liquid Ultra or Liquid pro. As those are liquid metal, the heat transfer is amazing with them. As for your comment about running bare die cooling, you said that theres no easy way to keep the cpu held into the socket. Incorrect, if you have the right cooler mounts, you lay your system on its side so that when you place the cpu in, it lays flat, then add your thermal compound and mount the cooler and the pressure from the cooler keeps the cpu in with good contact. I am currently running a bare die cooling setup with my 4790K and a Supremacy Evo waterblock with Liquid Ultra as the thermal compound. With that setup, I was able to maintain 5ghz at 1.48v under water with a max temp of around 85c. (dont do that, it no likey that voltage) Personally I think you should do a video on bare die cooling with modern cpus and give extreme overclocking a try. EK sells the mounting rods (whatever they are called) so that the waterblock will lay directly on the die.
Isaak neither CPU in this video are using any sort of liquid metal thermal conductor. I took a look online at conductonaut and it is different than what is shown in the video. Also with liquid metal it has a distinct look and applying it takes a bit. I usually use a toothpick to apply it. I believe using actual liquid metal would help temps quite a bit. Especially for overclocking the i9. Edit:posted before I saw your edit 😂
Andrew Joy running bare die is amazing imo. But only if you know what youre doing. As for warranty. I've done some damage to 2 or 3 4790Ks. All were delidded. I just added some thermal compound, smacked on the ihs with some super glue, made sure it was straight and Intel replaced the cpus without any issue. The chips also had no physical sign of damage. They did that with my 5ghz chip too. Man I'm still pissed I degraded it with that voltage. It was a great chip. Ran at 4.8 with 1.3v and after it degraded. So like 3 weeks of running at 5ghz, it needed 1.35v to be stable at 4.4ghz
Solitude he did used thermal grizzly which is one of the best he got 17c reduction ,and there was probably another 5c or so from liquid metal. But when your going to the trouble of voiding your warranty may as well get all the temp reduction you can
Exactly, he actually claimed to put Conductonaut on there (which is the Liquid Metal) but showed putting Kryonaut on there. So not sure what's going on there.
Watch WHOLE video before commenting next time... It did reduce temperature 20C using non conductive paste... Only logical reason I can think of for Intel to use so bad thermal paste is they WANT your CPU to run hot. This is to make sure it will only last just as long as the warranty and also not over clock well, all to make you buy new, faster and / or more expensive CPU... I absolutely hate all companies that is so greedy that they sabotage their own products to sell more.
I don't think warranty is a problem. CPUs are not just failing left and right. After you test it, OC it and find out if it's good, the chance it'll randomly just fail is rather small. And 20 degrees is not insignificant.
Try some mild heating of the CPU-package before delidding. We're not talking fingers-crossed-oven-baking-solder-melting temperatures, but merely heating the package from 20-something to ~80°C (aka. way below operating temperature for an i9 :P ) will result in a significant decrease in the required delidding force for an unsoldered chip (and an increased shear force ratio between the solder and the thermal compound) as the shear strength of the silicone is temperature dependent. Delidding an unsoldered chip rarely usher any complications - especially when the shear-method is used, but it can be a disconcerting endeavour in deed :)
Its just for the show, linus has everything scripted besides scrapyard wars and "were moving to another xyz location" videos, anthony's fine. I mean linus so bad at "acting" that i don't know how you guys didn't notice but whatever
Thank you Linus, for tinkering with equipment well beyond my budget that I will never purchase myself, but find fascinating anyways. This is exactly the kind of content I want to watch while I sit down with my coffee in the morning. Keep doing your thing :)
I'm not saying the added price should weight on Intel only. I guess that most customers would be more than willing to pay an extra 3-5$ on a 1000$ chip to have a 20°C delta.
idk, you'd say they make a shitton of profit on those CPU's... as i heard this wasn't that big of a problem a few generations ago.... so i guess they could do a better job
Easy answer! The profit for not soldering is almost minimal compared to any other expenses intel have. 1. Chips that run hotter die faster(so more sales for them on the long run). 2. Overclockers can not gain much benefit with overclocks so they upgrade their cpu more often. 3. People are delidding their cpu and loose warranty so less hassle for them with warranty stuff. The cost for soldering a cpu or putting a proper thermal paste is a joke and what intel wants you to believe. I stated the 3 reason above.
Markos Th The amount of in-warranty returns and the better thermal benchmarks should be enough of an investment for Intel to actually consider not using toothpaste.
I saw this video a while ago and enjoyed it then. Now I will have enjoyed it again. This is a good way to squeeze that last bit of performance from a chip and I would be willing to do it myself. Looks like I have a project in my hands. (:
What I got out of this: Intel charges you $1000 for a cpu that uses toothpaste as a thermal compound... Seriously Intel? THAT'S where you cheap out? Especially as this is the biggest weakness of your latest processors. God damn.
The brand of thermal paste they use isn't the problem. The glue they use on the IHS lifts as it dries and causes a gap between the IHS and die. That is what causes the temperature increase.
Not according to the video, all the comments, and basically every other source of information. That said it is an interesting theory and I bet it's not doing the chip any favors.
The teleprompter I can see at 8:16 more than makes up for the lighting and focus of "get on in here Dennis, get a look at this" at 6:02. Please show us the teleprompter in more videos!
That's a genuine bad idea. They have a reputation they must hold up to still be seen as a valid source for information. Their reputation isn't that stellar any more, but they don't have to make it worse.
if you want to avoid the risk of damaging the cpu and the mess and work involved with it - der8auer who made the tool also sells already delidded cpus - it's a bit more expensive and you have to wait a it longer but it's a relatively small priceup and you avoid both the work and the risk of destroying your cpu - they're also preselected a bit like siliconlottery
I delidded my i9-7900X using Rockit's kit for LGA2066 and got their Copper IHS that is a little beefier and I got an improvement on average of 20 C (based on Benchmark with Blender benchmark) before and after. Before delidding I could not pass OC of 4.4 GHz (stable) before, now I sit easily at 4.7 GHz at 30 C on light tasks and at average 80C at 100% CPU on all cores on stress tests. Delidding with Liquid metal as TIM is TOTALLY worth it in my book. Thanks Linus and Steve from Gamers Nexus to give me the boost in confidence I needed to perform this task, that could have costed me 1K$ in screw-up.
Hi Linus, why would you replace the TIM with another TIM, instead of a solder alternative such as liquid metal? I have seen much better results using liquid metal. Just curious.
Brandon Frontz point of the video wasn't to get the best thermals. Just to showcase how to do so and explore if it's worth it. And liquid metal is harder to work with. More expensive. And requires reapplication immensely more frequently than TIM. From what I hear every 6-12 months.
yes.. the i9 is bigger than a Pentium but actually you can even do a socket 775/771 cpu with a max i7 since they are the same size, I knew a guy switching core2duo with i7, he returned about 300 fake i7s before police got him.
Arthur Ma mmm so if i wanna have a golden chip(one that overclocks really high), can i order a bunch from a local store and try them, and just keep the one with better clocks without being considered illegal? I ask because i ordered by accident from 2 different shops, the same cpu by accident but now i wanna try and see which one is better. One of the store return policy already expired.
you have to remove the stock glue completely as it creates a gap between the crystal and the top cover. Can you delid gpu chip from nvidia GTX 200-GTX 400 series? That is what I want to do and it will be interesting.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but GPU dies are bare and don't use a heat spreader so there is nothing to "delid". You can, however, reapply new/better thermal paste to the bare die and possibly lower temps...
For a real successful delid, proper cleaning of the pcb and liquid metal paste is required. It's advisable not to glue the heatspreader on at all to get it closer to the die.
seems like the better option, since the chips already use a thermal paste to begin with. Why Delid if you aren't going to use Liquid metal or something as viable
Иван Иванов maybe a reaction similar to Galvanic corrosion ( aluminium to steel ) and how would to liquid metal wet to the surface of the processor like flux in soldering any suggestions would be helpful as I don't know my are from my elbow when it comes to technical stuff.
Lawrence Stewart no soldering, look up the other videos and you will understand. I asked myself the same question. Wouldn‘t lm in AND on the cpu be the best solution to tp ever?
![VICE Delidding Ryzen 5600G [WTF?!] Liquid Metal DIRECT DIE Cooling BONUS Lapping the AM4 Socket A520](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ggsNbhjozDg/mqdefault.jpg)
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so basically you pay from hundreds to thousands of dollars to get low quality paste on the cpu which you should swap yourself and void warranty? and nobody makes an issue out of it?
Intel doesn't much care about your temps as long as the CPU runs at the stock clocks without throttling.
you kidding ? every AMD fanboy who champions Ryzen makes an issue of that
RapaxTV look in the comments, hundrets of new amd fans crying about it.
It is disturbing isn't it? Especially when a better quality paste or LM would only add a dollar to MSRP..
It's not the stock thermal paste that is low quality, but the gap between the die and IHS created by the thick layer of adhesive silicone. I'm really disappointed that Linus didn't cover this at all, in fact they skipped over removing the adhesive.
Linus: "Deliding your CPU will void your warranty"
Me: *What Warranty*
He said that twice!
That's what I was thinking.
If XMP is going to void our warranty, might as well, right?
all of my components are second hand, what is a warranty?
@@SDA2564 like me used x79 motherboard and used cpu 2630v2
Linus: "I'm a cheapskate."
Also Linus: "I'm gonna delid this i9 7900x because why not."
He’s a cheapskate when it’s not something that will make a video that will make him money
I could make a sick rig with the money from an i9 7900x
Linus: Is this where I say I have an Asian wife?
Remember when CPUs didn't have head spreaders, like the AMD Athlon? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
I had a copper water block bolted to my amd 1900+ direct di shit, this ihs crap is just that.
I remember when CPUs were 40 pin dip plastic chip.
I remember when it was a thing but I don’t know what people did for cooling back then.
486SX/33 ran without any heatsink - on 5 volts...
ha i get the pepperidge farms joke (Family Guy)
6:39 Close your eyes and let your imagination run wild ;)
This comment needs exposure
You made my day xD
holy shit haha
It's getting worse by a second!
*screw Sounds* okay its off... 1k$ Processor... thats how it sounds, when linus jacks off on CPUs
Dude... 20 degree difference! Maybe not for a workstation but for O.C.? Hell yes. Also the question isn’t “should I delid” but “why did I have to in the first place?”
I think they want the chips to have air above them so if AMD actually brings out better CPUs, they will just change the thermal paste.
Changing the thermal paste isn't what brings the temperature down.
Mr Blewvane So? What brings it down than?
The high temperatures are caused by improper contact between the IHS and the die. The improper contact is caused when the adhesive used to bond the IHS to the substrate dries and cures, because it apparently expands and slightly lifts the IHS.
Removing the thick ring of adhesive from the substrate allows the IHS to make proper contact with the die, which allows the IHS to transfer heat more efficiently.
+KemoKa77 no, you are wrong. Core 2 Duo E4xxx, E6xxx, E7xxx, Pentium Dual Core, All Celerons for S478/S775 and some AMD's like X2 5000+ BE - none of them was soldered and its not even complete list. Even S478 Pentium 4 with HT wasnt soldered lol You can delid all of them and check for yourself / check on Google.
German stuff is not over-engineered..... the rest is just pretty under-engineered.
TheEagle1 Ja!
No, it's pretty over engineered. Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication, when you have to tell a VW computer that you put a new battery in it there's a problem with your designs.
My mk3 golf don't need to be told sh&t ;)
Start stop cars need it.
not really, those materials have different properties so.
Delidding a brand new CPU is risky. A good option is to consider delidding your CPU when you hesitate to change it.
Instead of buying a new one, just try to delid the old one, first. If you succeed, you will be good to enjoy and overclock your old CPU for one more year. If you fail, just buy a new one. (You were hesitating, anyway)
Delidding is a good option for giving a chance to your old CPU to get a second life. Even if it's just for 6 monthes, it is worth the price of a delid tool and thermal paste.
this is exactly how I just did mine. Have a 4770k and delid worked great. I was gonna get an 8700k but going to hold off until icelake
Delidded my 4790k just recently and got a 13C improvement on stock speeds on hyper 212x :3
Pretty satisfied
Or you can just straight buy a delidded new one at siliconlottery
I just bought a delidded 4790K. Can one relid it manually? I propose to use very little silicone and to install the CPU in the socket before the sealant is fully dry. Any adjustment of IHS position will take place as the socket frame is lowered and locked. Then the pressure from the socket frame and the cooler bring the die, IHS and cooler, with respective TIMs, into better contact. Comments?
I don't understand why you bought a delidded cpu with the ihs still off
There should be a compilation video of all of the things that have been dropped on the LTT channel. THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN!
Yes!
YES!!!
The problem is that it would be outdated in a week
I agree with Prism.
Isaac Hestus there's one but I think it's outdated now
linusdroptips is back
That is a good one, have a reply.
Ayyy...fancy meeting you here.
oh hay
*McHox* congrats, you're second
the whole continuum gangs here xd
Make "Intel's thermal compound vs tooth paste" video
I am pretty sure tooth paste will actually win... Only logical reason I can think of for Intel to use so bad cooling paste is they WANT your CPU to run hot so it will only last just as long as the warranty and also not over clock well to make you buy new faster and more expensive CPU. I absolutely hate all companies that is so greedy that they sabotage their own products to sell more....
The paste Intel uses is made to last a long time not perform significantly well
@@Champoforyx bullshit
@@Champoforyx you know what else lasts a long time and performs amazingly? solder.
that would be spicy
Who wants to see the VERGE do a delidding vid???
LOL
Just use some "tweezers" LOL
A little bit of thermal paste **throws on so much that the ihs doesnt fit**
Gets an angle grinder and cut the cpu in half*
"Now you see this mirror? Put half a gallon of thermal paste on it, then put the whole thing back and secure it in place with tweezers"
Now, remove the die from the pcb.
@Lucky_historian linus could then sue them for copyright infringement...already done
Linus Sex Tips start at 6:35
Timeline:
6:41 - Peak depth
6:44 - Premature ejaculation
6:48 - Tries to act like nothing happened
6:52 - Confused as to what's taking so long...???
6:58 - Realisation of wrong hole
7:01 - Partner noticed so he had to remove it
7:05 - Ashamed about what happened, relieves stress by admitting cost of 'process'
7:15 - Has second thoughts, he's gone this far, there's no turning back now!
7:18 - Tears partner a new asshole
7:21 - Admires view
7:27 - Spots burst implants
lol
this is gold. thank you
!redditgold lmao
WHY IS NO ONE MENTIONING DENNIS'S ACCIDENTAL ZOOM OUT AT 8:16 WHICH SHOWS THE TELEPROMPTER
Because you've got it covered.
you can also hear his lapel mic rubbing against his shirt throughout the entire video.
Or the reflection of the teleprompter at the 3:07 mark visible in the die of the CPU?
Haze M OMG That's so perfect you could almost read what is says
This is TH-cam why you trying to find movie mistakes?
"If ur lid stay hard for more then 3 hours, fone a doctor"
Amazing edit by the editors.
For the prices they OVERCHARGE, the very least they could do is spend a dollar more a chip on decent Thermal paste. They are such money grubbing bastards. I used to be a fan but that was a long time ago. Everyone deserves a decent profit but they have become the epitome of greed!
it is better a Delid with liquid metal and a silver one that is better than the copper one and the one that you manufacture and you put a liquid cooling and it is the best thing that exists and what you can do to maintain the lowest temperatures you will see in your life because after that is already occupying liquid nitrogen and that is already at another level hahahahaha but remember:
delid
Liquid metal
dei of silver
liquid refrigeration in that order later on all that liquid nitrogen 😂😂😂😁 greetings from Chile
I love how amd uses indium solder. You cant delid it though, but do you want to delid solder? thats even better than LM
@@psun256 yeah. You can't delid it, but why would you? It's the best option.
6:40 "Oh it's getting really tight now!" - Linus 2017
Oh, man, that's a lot of pressure! It's getting really hard to push!
10:28 Gaben ferociously coding away at HL3...
Gaben! I wanna release date dammit!!!!
Nathan Hoeltzle :-DDD
Lmfao 😂😂
LOL MAKING IT HAPPEN
i hope it is worth the weight
Wait, Linus is actually thinking about how to delid without breaking it?
codec862 without dropping it*
codec862 wait Linus is actually thinking?!?
Wait, Linus?
I always read this as "diddling" a $1000 CPU. Fun times :)
Always sounds like he is on helium. Theres dogs howling round here. Great vid though Linus.
Not over engineered. Cuz of the size and amount of sealant on the chip. A lever is needed to multiply the force you'd be able to apply by the hex key alone. Math is fun
Can we get a Music Video please, you made a holiday one, so....
*Linus* Sebastian - *Drop* It Like It's Hot ft. *Everything*
intel if i pay 1000$ i would like to get the perfection
Intel's like:
We have perfection at home.
The perfection:
Thank u lines tek tips!!! Now i can break my cpu for a reasons!
opposite of edgy lines tek tips
Trinescity
I think he wrote it like that for a reasons
Salad Fingers im aware
Trinescity
Meh you didn't get the pun :P
Salad Fingers i saw it lmao just didn't acknowledge it
Intel said *NEIN* with their i9 to liquid metal or solder between IHS and CPU chip even on 1000$ worth of CPU
It probably only cost like $5 and the rest is profit
intel has fallen off their wagon, plane and simple..
thanks i5 2500k for having a proper CPU lid
IMO the dumbest thing Intel could have done.
Threadripper has proper soldering, and it's BEAUTIFULLY cooler than the i9.
Intel is from Silicon Valley, not Germany.
Well it would be substantially less then 5$ to do the manufacturing proper if they just used a proper tim probably pennies more per chip but hey greed i mean they are charging outrageous prices anyways why would we expect things to be done right with the level of greed intel has consistently demonstrated
Hey, look! A $1000 CPU and a $1500 Graphics card. Let's take them apart and cut them up with a grinder!
Don't give him ideas ... Wait ... He did that already :)
doesn't it make ya sick too your stomach.
Privaliged pillock.
Man the difference between old and new videos are really noticeable, awesome job!
I don't understand one fucking bit, why after spending 1000 bucks on a fucking processor, it's necessary to have to de-lid it and apply better thermal compound to to it. Shame on the manufacturer for putting such a jem at risk of overheating just to save a few cents during the manufacturing process on an already overpriced chip. I mean wouldn't they save more money in the long run by just applying better thermal compound instead of having to replace warranty covered chips that fried? It would also make your customers happier too all over just a few cents per processor. I don't know maybe they're counting on slippage from people not claiming warranties.
maybe they want to force you to buy new hardware after 3-5 years and stop you from selling your old chip on second hand market, increasing in both cases their sales...
On the other hands they could just apply good thermal glue and sell the product on a higher default clock for the same price, beating the rival AMD on the price/value.
Just strange
Alex Borr You're most likely right.
Only logical reason I can think of for doing this is they WANT your CPU to run hot so it will only last just as long as the warranty and also not over clock well to make you buy new faster and more expensive CPU. I absolutely hate all companies that is so greedy that they sabotage their own products to sell more....
Its all a marketing tactic
they would rather have your CPU run hot, causing overheating if you overclock and would rather have you potentially destroy your CPU in an attempt to de-lid it so you'd have to buy another one
Intel’s “new” Core i9 - Kneejerk Edition
Beerus? Why you here! Get back to the MULTIVERSE TOURNMENT!
shit, goku become ultra instink form now, you lose now hahaha
i want i9 just for the asus motherboard tbh but holy fuck they run hot
Intel core i9-9969x Extreme Edition Justsome Lake
It's like taking your girlfriend's shirt off for the first time...it's a gamble...
5 Minute Gaming it was worth it for me imo
>not seeing the goods before closing the deal.
nah jk fam.
My first deep thoughts when it happened to me "NIPPLE PIERCINGS? DAMNIT,"
Jake Evan i
That's your fault for making her your girlfriend before you even did the nasty
6:25
Me watching this as a German:
Wow sis accent is really nice😂😂😂
Intel really needs to stop selling people products with garbage quality materials at those prices. Was planning on getting a 7900x for my work pc, but not anymore. Hopefully they learn their lesson with v2.0 next year.
For the prices they OVERCHARGE, the very least they could do is spend a dollar more a chip on decent Thermal paste. They are such money grubbing bastards. I used to be a fan but that was a long time ago. Everyone deserves a decent profit but they have become the epitome of greed!
Damian C why did you want a 7900x for work?
The Superpixeljunkie The animation software I use benefits a lot from high clock speeds/single core performance, so that's why I didn't want a 1950X. Now though, I'm leaning towards a 8700k, which still uses cheap TIMs, but at least it costs less than half of what they charge for the 7900x and it has better single core performance. Bonus is that it uses way less power and better for games on my off time. The only downside is there's less PCI lanes available, which I know I would populate.
dont you want to look at amd? They have way better heat dissipation
Sorry but, they will never learn, until AMD make them bankrupt.
Linus face while putting the protective heatspreader back on the chip: "Hopefully I am not gonna break it, my sponsors are gonna kill me" 😂😂😂
7:26 "It's got silicone sealant up the butt!!!"
Linus describing my gay ass
I just discovered that the Ryzen 7 has a 213 square mm die, while the 7700 series is only 122 square mm. This answers a lot of questions about why Intel chips run hot, they have nearly half the surface area to dissipate heat into the IHS.
On the 7900x, the die size is 308mm^2, while Threadripper has two 213mm^2 dies for 426mm^2 total. The 7960X or 7980X are probably a larger die than the 7900X, but this still shows that AMD have better heat dissipation characteristics through die size alone, not just because of soldering on the heatspreader vs thermal pasting it on.
Ryzen 7 die has double the surface area because it has 8 cores instead of 4. Intel processors are just glued with crap because it saves them a cool 50 cents per chip.
HiRez and your comment is just as fan boy as his. As soon as you pay attention to the design of Ryan’s it is just 2 quad core CPUs stuck together. I have no problem with this heck it is pretty smart because it works
Crimsoncube181 No, Ryzen 7 is one Octo-core die. Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 3 are probably the same cpu with some cores disabled because of binning. Threadripper is literally a mix of two seperate Ryzen 3, Ryzen 5 or Ryzen 7 dies in a single cpu.
I get what you're saying. But I dont have an intel. I just wanted to tell him do to some fucking research like I did before choosing AMD
thats cool af
A processor so hot you need to delid to have decent temps
right, so thats why you delid. delidding is quite simple really. all you are doing is putting new thermal paste in, it's not that hard. if you can build a pc you can delid. the delidding tool makes it so even total noobs can do it. so just do it, it costs about 30 bux and you get something thats better than AMD for gaming. what?
Only logical reason I can think of for Intel to use so bad thermal paste is they WANT your CPU to run hot. This is to make sure it will only last just as long as the warranty and also not over clock well, all to make you buy new, faster and / or more expensive CPU... I absolutely hate all companies that is so greedy that they sabotage their own products to sell more.
So cool to see der8auer in a LTT video. Makes me proud, haha. :D
Nequeox are you german??
But can it delid crysis?
Omg.. soooooo funny
It's made by Der8auer. It can delid EVERYTHING
6:45 Close your eyes, and tell me what you hear. (Insert Kappa Here).
And once again Linus went for thermal paste instead of liquid metal....
The whole idea is to REPLACE the Intel TIM with something that comes close to soldering the IHS and only liquid metal provides that...
he is probably doing that on purpose so he can make another video using liquid metal, that's the only logical reason behind it.
Liquid metal? You mean regular metal?
The only cool liquid metals are mercury and gallium.
xXYannuschXx the sposors...
are you high?
the oven thing worked KICKTHEBASSWITHTHEFACE! watch the actual video next time?
Why didnt you use something like Liquid Ultra or Liquid pro. As those are liquid metal, the heat transfer is amazing with them. As for your comment about running bare die cooling, you said that theres no easy way to keep the cpu held into the socket. Incorrect, if you have the right cooler mounts, you lay your system on its side so that when you place the cpu in, it lays flat, then add your thermal compound and mount the cooler and the pressure from the cooler keeps the cpu in with good contact. I am currently running a bare die cooling setup with my 4790K and a Supremacy Evo waterblock with Liquid Ultra as the thermal compound. With that setup, I was able to maintain 5ghz at 1.48v under water with a max temp of around 85c. (dont do that, it no likey that voltage) Personally I think you should do a video on bare die cooling with modern cpus and give extreme overclocking a try. EK sells the mounting rods (whatever they are called) so that the waterblock will lay directly on the die.
Zombie Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut. It is liquid metal.
Edit: Aaaand I just noticed he used Kryonaut.
they only started putting IHSs on becasue people where bricking P3s with the insane mounting systems back then.
Nothing wrong with running bare die
Isaak neither CPU in this video are using any sort of liquid metal thermal conductor. I took a look online at conductonaut and it is different than what is shown in the video. Also with liquid metal it has a distinct look and applying it takes a bit. I usually use a toothpick to apply it. I believe using actual liquid metal would help temps quite a bit. Especially for overclocking the i9.
Edit:posted before I saw your edit 😂
Andrew Joy running bare die is amazing imo. But only if you know what youre doing. As for warranty. I've done some damage to 2 or 3 4790Ks. All were delidded. I just added some thermal compound, smacked on the ihs with some super glue, made sure it was straight and Intel replaced the cpus without any issue. The chips also had no physical sign of damage. They did that with my 5ghz chip too. Man I'm still pissed I degraded it with that voltage. It was a great chip. Ran at 4.8 with 1.3v and after it degraded. So like 3 weeks of running at 5ghz, it needed 1.35v to be stable at 4.4ghz
4:50 "IF UR LID STAY HARD FOR MORE THEN 3 HOUR, FONE A DOCTOR" lmao
Glad you saw it, I was looking for that comment :P
A mod video where the CPU die is directly contacts the heat sink would be awesome!
Vice Q he did one with a waterblock that replaces the IHS not that long ago.
Oh man Linus does deliding again ... When will he use liquid metal....
Damien LM it's only for grown up's
Actually, liquid metal also received around 20 degrees dreduction, he wasn't really using low class shit.
Solitude he did used thermal grizzly which is one of the best he got 17c reduction ,and there was probably another 5c or so from liquid metal. But when your going to the trouble of voiding your warranty may as well get all the temp reduction you can
Exactly, he actually claimed to put Conductonaut on there (which is the Liquid Metal) but showed putting Kryonaut on there. So not sure what's going on there.
liquid metal is a rockband?
why no liquid metal? temps would drop 20 degrees! that is the whole point to delidding is to use liquid metal instead of thermal grease.
Except is did drop 20 degrees anyway! thats how awful the stuff Intel uses.
Liquid metal only gives you a couple extra degrees over quality thermal paste
Watch the video first, you moron, it did drop by 20.
I believe the sensor is somewhere within the silicon.
Watch WHOLE video before commenting next time... It did reduce temperature 20C using non conductive paste... Only logical reason I can think of for Intel to use so bad thermal paste is they WANT your CPU to run hot. This is to make sure it will only last just as long as the warranty and also not over clock well, all to make you buy new, faster and / or more expensive CPU... I absolutely hate all companies that is so greedy that they sabotage their own products to sell more.
I don't think warranty is a problem. CPUs are not just failing left and right. After you test it, OC it and find out if it's good, the chance it'll randomly just fail is rather small. And 20 degrees is not insignificant.
Try some mild heating of the CPU-package before delidding. We're not talking fingers-crossed-oven-baking-solder-melting temperatures, but merely heating the package from 20-something to ~80°C (aka. way below operating temperature for an i9 :P ) will result in a significant decrease in the required delidding force for an unsoldered chip (and an increased shear force ratio between the solder and the thermal compound) as the shear strength of the silicone is temperature dependent.
Delidding an unsoldered chip rarely usher any complications - especially when the shear-method is used, but it can be a disconcerting endeavour in deed :)
Anthony just got fired.
Its just for the show, linus has everything scripted besides scrapyard wars and "were moving to another xyz location" videos, anthony's fine.
I mean linus so bad at "acting" that i don't know how you guys didn't notice but whatever
King Christo i feel uncomfortable with him existing, he shouldve been fired for real
Ello, King. (#ScatsDiscordSquad)
Around 8:15 when he zooms out, I think that's a teleprompter of some sort attached to the camera
CPU at 100 degrees?
Ok, I have this great new idea...
CPU KETTLES!
Okay....now linus is officially crazy
Yeah he needs to delid a brand new Intel Xeon Platinum chip
Thank you Linus, for tinkering with equipment well beyond my budget that I will never purchase myself, but find fascinating anyways. This is exactly the kind of content I want to watch while I sit down with my coffee in the morning. Keep doing your thing :)
Answer: No, it's not worth delidding a 1000$ CPU when there's AMD Threaripper with a soldered IHS and 16 cores at the same price.
you beat me to a punch
Imagine a world where AMD and Intel would work together to make a high frequency, high core count, high thermal performance chip
Martin M thanks finally a objective comment!
You sound like a shill who's not trying to sound like a shill.
Martin M why are you lying my guy? AMD released their earnings and ryzen sold very well.
The real question is: why isn't Intel doing the job properly in the first place? Would it be so more expensive for them?
Actually yeah. They sell A LOT of those high-end CPUs.
I'm not saying the added price should weight on Intel only. I guess that most customers would be more than willing to pay an extra 3-5$ on a 1000$ chip to have a 20°C delta.
idk, you'd say they make a shitton of profit on those CPU's...
as i heard this wasn't that big of a problem a few generations ago.... so i guess they could do a better job
Easy answer! The profit for not soldering is almost minimal compared to any other expenses intel have.
1. Chips that run hotter die faster(so more sales for them on the long run).
2. Overclockers can not gain much benefit with overclocks so they upgrade their cpu more often.
3. People are delidding their cpu and loose warranty so less hassle for them with warranty stuff.
The cost for soldering a cpu or putting a proper thermal paste is a joke and what intel wants you to believe. I stated the 3 reason above.
Markos Th The amount of in-warranty returns and the better thermal benchmarks should be enough of an investment for Intel to actually consider not using toothpaste.
11:05 Why does Linus say Conductonaut?
Nowhere in the video did he use liquid metal, did he mean to say Kryonaut?
I saw this video a while ago and enjoyed it then. Now I will have enjoyed it again. This is a good way to squeeze that last bit of performance from a chip and I would be willing to do it myself. Looks like I have a project in my hands. (:
What I got out of this:
Intel charges you $1000 for a cpu that uses toothpaste as a thermal compound...
Seriously Intel? THAT'S where you cheap out? Especially as this is the biggest weakness of your latest processors. God damn.
The brand of thermal paste they use isn't the problem. The glue they use on the IHS lifts as it dries and causes a gap between the IHS and die. That is what causes the temperature increase.
Not according to the video, all the comments, and basically every other source of information. That said it is an interesting theory and I bet it's not doing the chip any favors.
i dont like when Linus holds expensive things in one hand
Wait my laptop CPU is already delidded.
Laptops don't have a lid because of space restraints.
My Laptop CPU didn't have any heat sink on it😉
This might be the reason, why it runs over 95°C while using Chrome
@@p3chv0gel22 as people say, Chrome is a pretty demanding piece of software.
P3chv0gel sounds like a Mac Book?
@@WhateverT997 the newer mac book air doesn't has a heatsink connected with the fan.
7:30 why was Linus literally panting after turning a hex key? He was out of breath for so long 😂
Use salt instead of thermal paste. Works better
you mean sodium chloride, right?
Felix R Salt is sodium chloride bud
Actually, sodium chloride is sodium chloride.
Skeet *stabs Jimbo multiple times* fuck Jimbo!
Skeet It gets salty when it gets heated
Sorry
TLDW: No, unless rich
bor julia you look like minute rice foh
bor julia,
I see you're a fan of Sammy Guns. That's quite rare when in a cesspit like this one.
bor julia 😂👌funy af bro
Servus too bad there isn't one.
Servus oh, I'm sure YOU know?
Why dont u use liquid metal? Der 8auer uses it often end recommends it.
The teleprompter I can see at 8:16 more than makes up for the lighting and focus of "get on in here Dennis, get a look at this" at 6:02.
Please show us the teleprompter in more videos!
4:50 check the comment on the bottom of screen :|
Nakul Vijay lol
How to apply thermal paste incorrectly onto a raw processor die by Linus Tech Tips.
And still get 20 degree reduction, showing how Intel just doesn't care what they put between their CPU's.
Munjee Syed
Don't correct anybody if you are not 100% sure about the facts. LOL =)
you guys should make a video where you don't re shoot scenes, just one chance no matter how bad.
Also don't try to hide the hastily made nature, leading to mistakes and oversights.
Some people like these videos, but at 8:15 it shows that it's scripted. What is he supposed to do to make people happy? Just let him mix it up
That's a genuine bad idea. They have a reputation they must hold up to still be seen as a valid source for information.
Their reputation isn't that stellar any more, but they don't have to make it worse.
Make a disclaimer and a not very informative video
if you want to avoid the risk of damaging the cpu and the mess and work involved with it - der8auer who made the tool also sells already delidded cpus - it's a bit more expensive and you have to wait a it longer but it's a relatively small priceup and you avoid both the work and the risk of destroying your cpu - they're also preselected a bit like siliconlottery
turny, grippy, screwey doo dad ... wow where dafuq can i buy this tool?
GameGabe der8auer is partnering with caseking.
Thats an industry term I believe.
13:01
GameGabe der8aur has a youtube channel tho if you can't find it.
Der Bauer is a pretty good overclocker and TH-camr from Germany
i wonder the place u was born/live "Max"
please someone tell me that the products ad campaign is "a guillotine for your processor."
The funny thing is, in the german version of the video, in which der8auer this thing announced, he told exactly this, but in german
@@p3chv0gel22 Are you German? Your grammar is very German and so is your username, you unlucky person.
@@l3gacyb3ta21 yes, i am german😅
@@p3chv0gel22 Thought so 😊. I lived in Germany for a while. Stuttgart ist geil.
@@l3gacyb3ta21 why would you say that? I'm from there and I'm like "it's okay"
I delidded my i9-7900X using Rockit's kit for LGA2066 and got their Copper IHS that is a little beefier and I got an improvement on average of 20 C (based on Benchmark with Blender benchmark) before and after. Before delidding I could not pass OC of 4.4 GHz (stable) before, now I sit easily at 4.7 GHz at 30 C on light tasks and at average 80C at 100% CPU on all cores on stress tests. Delidding with Liquid metal as TIM is TOTALLY worth it in my book. Thanks Linus and Steve from Gamers Nexus to give me the boost in confidence I needed to perform this task, that could have costed me 1K$ in screw-up.
Hi Linus, why would you replace the TIM with another TIM, instead of a solder alternative such as liquid metal? I have seen much better results using liquid metal. Just curious.
Brandon Frontz point of the video wasn't to get the best thermals. Just to showcase how to do so and explore if it's worth it. And liquid metal is harder to work with. More expensive. And requires reapplication immensely more frequently than TIM. From what I hear every 6-12 months.
And I would say that dropping temps by 20°C is good enough. ^^
YOU HAVE 3 OPTION HERE
- VOID WARRANTY
- SAUNA
- THREADRIPPER
Linus: "Delidding a $1000 CPU"
Intel: *DELETE this!*
Delid this
This is my fav computer hardware channel, i love your videos and the fact you show data, not fluff :)
Looks like a i7 7700k chip glued onto a bigger PCB so it wont fit z170/270 motherboards :P
Grovers1 so what you're saying is that your eyes are painted on.
Understood
Grovers1 that's because it kinda is.
Ben Grogan there is zero reason they couldn't have made this to fit the same socket.
7:40 I need my alcohol...
*Takes biiiig drink from stealth water bottle*
LTTstore.com
If you can delid a $1000 cpu...
Well lets just say it ain't worth $1grand.
Not even two minutes in and Linus already drops something.
I want to see toothpaste used as thermal compound now
Halogamefreek2 yes
OK now put the lid of that i9 on a pentium G4560 and return it
lol
Arthur Ma jesus christ you are amazing... though you would need to do max i7 with a pentium due to different socket types
yes.. the i9 is bigger than a Pentium but actually you can even do a socket 775/771 cpu with a max i7 since they are the same size, I knew a guy switching core2duo with i7, he returned about 300 fake i7s before police got him.
Arthur Ma mmm so if i wanna have a golden chip(one that overclocks really high), can i order a bunch from a local store and try them, and just keep the one with better clocks without being considered illegal? I ask because i ordered by accident from 2 different shops, the same cpu by accident but now i wanna try and see which one is better. One of the store return policy already expired.
Imouto #57899 I think you can do that, just don't delid them
i hope this will give der8auer some new subs aspecialy he is a famouse oc record holder and he brings his videos in english aswell.
As a German I'm getting an aneurysm every time he pronounces "Der Bauer" wrong.
So how are you supposed to say it? Like the phonetic spelling of it?
I just noticed that removing the metal thing in the processor makes it looks like a laptop processor
Gustavo Dalen they are already delidded
Exactly - laptop cpu skips the heat spreader to make the laptop thinner (and save a bit of weight)
Bipitty Bopitty get off my property
So De8auer has created a Jigsaw trap... for desktop processors
1 min 43 secs is that a new record? has anyone got linus dropping something before this? Oh yer sorry silly question.
Moment he dropped it: 1:41
Why do you have a bottle of "Alcool"?
Scott Blacklock its all cool, bro
French
Good to see the "Dude! You're getting a Dell" guy still getting work.
you have to remove the stock glue completely as it creates a gap between the crystal and the top cover. Can you delid gpu chip from nvidia GTX 200-GTX 400 series? That is what I want to do and it will be interesting.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but GPU dies are bare and don't use a heat spreader so there is nothing to "delid". You can, however, reapply new/better thermal paste to the bare die and possibly lower temps...
Bippity boppity oh jeez Linus don't drop it!
German engineering at its finest.
Yung Cringe no, our tanks are better.
Yung Cringe No mate their processors are made in Siliconwood
For a real successful delid, proper cleaning of the pcb and liquid metal paste is required. It's advisable not to glue the heatspreader on at all to get it closer to the die.
Wtf you don't use liquid metal?!?!
Plasma metal is better
seems like the better option, since the chips already use a thermal paste to begin with. Why Delid if you aren't going to use Liquid metal or something as viable
Иван Иванов maybe a reaction similar to Galvanic corrosion ( aluminium to steel ) and how would to liquid metal wet to the surface of the processor like flux in soldering any suggestions would be helpful as I don't know my are from my elbow when it comes to technical stuff.
Lawrence Stewart no soldering, look up the other videos and you will understand.
I asked myself the same question.
Wouldn‘t lm in AND on the cpu be the best solution to tp ever?
Hasn't Linus mentioned that liquid metal performance degrades in around 6 months. At that point I would also go for better quality thermal paste.
Linus drop tips strikes again!
Oh god how linus is pronouncing "der bauer"
xD
Zappilord h ich mag züge
pdavidp45 schön für dich
At first, i believed the title said "Diddling"...lol
nice Roman!