It's July 2020 and I'm still watching this. Nastia's floor routine is my all time fave. I know the tumbling is not as difficult as the other gymnasts nowadays, but the whole routine is just amazing.
Yes, seriously yes. Nastia has so much poise and artistry in her performances that has been lost in the current age of WAG. These days its so much more about power and difficulty, but Nastia was an incredible artistic gymanist
Along with Aly going back in 2016 and finally making the AA, this is one of my absolute favorite moments in gymnastics. Watching Nastia (and her dad) win the gold still chokes me up no matter how many times I watch it.
Yeah I was happy for her but with ally they were fair bec she did a difficult routine yea Naustias is beautiful to watch very elegant but you need a certain amount of difficulty that wasn’t even close to shawns routine was great the height but they were not fair with the judging scores and again someone complains about naustias routine n gets fixed to get a higher score this is the second time they did this no way was naustias beam routine better than shawns the amount of difficulty Shawn has jammed pack wasn’t a fair win but I’m not blaming naustia she did great just the people who have the power to make scores change
@@Saleigh no one rigged anything. Shawn just didn't have the scores to make up for the difference this time. If anything you'd think they'd rig the scores to favor the Chinese gymnasts since they're in Beijing.
Actually Shawn was prettylucky they didn't devalue her vault for being under rotated when landing. And Nastia was scored a bit low for her vault. It was an even playing field. Both girls earned their place and they were scored on their performance of that day only.
It's funny that Bela said this was a turning point for whether artistry or power would be the future of gymnastics. Since Nastia won, you'd think that indicates artistry as the future, but in the 13 years since (how) the opposite has become more and more true.
I think it's because the code became a lot more strict after this olympics. No more late connections, underrotated twists, and low chest landings, plus they changed a lot of connecting values which ending up leading to the same sets of skills being performed by everyone. 2008 was the last code imo where everyone could score big and still have unique routines. Glad they changed a lot of things since a 9.5 E-score on floor is nuts, but I miss the variety gymnasts could have
Tim: “Shawn told me there is nothing wrong with saying you want to be Olympic all around champion” Elfi: “Ksenia Semenova said she’s so excited to be doing all around... felt she could win the title“ *scoffs*
That was such a tasteless joke of her to make, given that Ksenia won the Uneven Bars at Worlds 2007 and was only 15 years old. Not only that but she place 4th in the All Around at these Olympics. So clearly Ksenia was good enough to be a contender for the All Around title.
@@alexandraolvera5903 She was amazing! She was also absolutely delightful to watch. So happy and free and seemed to really be enjoying the entire experience. She won my heart.
It's June 2021 and I'm watching Nastia again! She is so graceful, stunning, and brings such beauty to the sport. I can't believe it's been 13 years since Beijing. Gymnastics now seems to focus on acrobatics rather than the whole package, especially the floor routines. The movements aren't graceful or artistic anymore. Shawn was awesome here as well!
Her bars is shit nothing, far worse than even Shawn's. Far worse than Raisman's in fact. So she never stood a shot in the All Around. Her shot of medals was always the event finals on vault, beam, and maybe floor. All Around was never a possible with her bars.
@@richardross4677 she literally came in 4th in the all around at the 2004 Olympics, and was just as good at the 2008 Olympics. So respectfully, I disagree.
@@flaming_eazy 2004 was a totally different scoring system you seem to forget. She could get away with weak bars in 2004 and be in contention since with the 10 system you only lose several tenths. Under the wide open era system she was scoring a whopping 2 to 3 points behind people like Liukin and Yilin on bars, basically 3 falls worth of points. If you don't believe me look up the scores yourself. Nobody who is scoring mid 14s in bars in 2008 where some girls were scoring around 17 was going to stand a chance in the AA no matter their other events.
@@kentiemacgymnastics9885 yes! In retrospect it's crazy to think that almost everyone thought Shawn had the gold in the bag, but then by the end of the 3rd rotation it's pretty clear that's not the case
however Nastia said that it put a big "gap" or "writh" between their friendship. Luckily Nastia was invited and went to Shawn's wedding and when Nastia's engagement fell off Shawn and her husband opened their house for Nas to live with them. So over all the press "rivalry" between them, def pushed them apart. But their the best of friends now - which is good (in my opinion)
Saw paris olympics, it makes me wanna go back and watch the old olympics, and remember what I was doing at the time, I had cox cable at the time, no dvr, so I had to watch it on prime time replay, and I had 9 to 5 jobs at the time.
it’s so bizarre to me how much bars was emphasised in this COP, like a 7.7 start value??? i started watching gymnastics this year and looking back it’s genuinely astounding to me that you could get so much higher just by being good on bars lol
yep it was crazy. plus that quad had Yang Yilin, He Kexin, Nastia, and Beth Tweddle all competing and they all took advantage of the crazy combo bonuses that the 2006-2008 Code awarded. we probably won't see scores like that for bars in a quad ever again
I’m fairly certain that during this quad they counted their 10 most difficult skills towards their start value vs. only allowing 8 skills now. That could add a point or more easy right there. This was such a Great competition!
rene ruiz Sorry.....no. You’re wrong. I’d try explaining it further to you...but that would be a waste ,obviously, since you cannot understand that the number ten is more than eight. Good luck with that.
rene ruiz maybe in another competition, but Nastia hardly displayed any weaknesses during her routines. Her landings were great, especially on vault and beam. And if you listen closely, you‘ll hear the commentators evaluating her scores before and after the results came in, overall agreeing with them. Plus, the margin was no less than 0,6 points to Shawn. Shawn couldn’t have gotten much higher execution scores than she already did, and the D-scores were in check.
I love how Nastia's floor routine really complements her music. Esp on the third pass's landings, and the little frolicking jump she does right after. Brilliant!
I really would love to know how Nastia's brain works. What kind of mental toughness does it take for a teenager to suffer through a challenging injury, stick to her dreams, and then be able to perform at her very best when she needed it most? So many people (myself included) have done well in practice, but then choked on the real thing due to pressure and nerves. She did the opposite. She made mistakes during other competitions, and even during warm-ups at the AA. But when it came to the actual competition, she delivered above and beyond. I mean, just look at that vault. That's what fascinates me the most. It takes superhuman confidence and determination to fight through so many things set against her and come out on top. Everyone thought Shawn would win AA, but Nastia surprised us all. I know she had a big advantage on bars, but I am still just amazed at her inner strength.
She recently posted a video with her dad reacting to this competition and walking through each rotation and what she was feeling (and him). It's on her TH-cam channel. It was super cool to get an inside look into her mind here. Also sad to hear Shawn say recently she was battling with bad mental health, borderline anorexia and addiction. These poor athletes go through so much to make it to these high levels, I often wonder if they think it's worth it in the end.
@@HB-ey2dkyeah, Shawn had a rough go especially after the games. She felt bad about gaining some weight afterwards and struggled with drug use trying to lose it. Fortunately she overcame that and now has an amazing family and life. The saddest part is that tends to happen a lot in gymnastics because people judge athletes by their physical appearance instead of their abilities. It’s gotten better, gymnasts are encouraged to be strong and athletic rather than super skinny… but the sentiment does still exist.
Agreed! So many people went by previous results and assumed Nastia couldn't get it together. But in the end she pulled it out. I knew when I saw her land that vault cold that she would win. Her mental game is so impressive.
There is no other gymnast like Nastia! Her dance elements, perfect lines, beauty and grace are a joy to watch! There is a fluidity, completeness and calmness to her routines. She leaves you wanting to see more. It would be great if she continued dancing, even if the fancy tricks are in the past
Still blows my mind at these young ladies. Can you imagine standing on that podium at 16(Both Shawn and Yang)and Nastia was 18 yrs old? All these gymnast are truly amazing. Still shows the beauty and value of a stuck landing. Without three out of four routines stuck, Nastia probably wouldn't have won the Gold AA. 🌹💖
haha you're right! Then she put on her gracious game face and smiled brightly. Such a classy trooper, esp in light of her deep disappointment inside at not winning the gold.
From the way I saw it, the only thing I saw underscored was Nastia’s vault. Her bars I thought was very fair because chest down on dismount + the step + legs in some parts and a few short HS
Nastia and Shawn both one of the greatest gymnasts but one thing I can’t ignore is Nastia peak at right time while Shawn was at her peak the whole year Nastia get 5medals and Shawn 4medals that’s outstanding in single Olympics
Wow these announcers are hating on every gymnast aside from Nastia and Shawn. YiLin’s beam to me was not that bad but they acted like she had the worst set of her life. Also claiming Yuyuan got help from the judges and calling her mess up on the turn “silly” They tear the Chinese gymnasts to pieces and I am not here for it! Cmon keep it professional!
To be fair, this did seem overscored compared to many other scores. Also, this was in 2008 where the culture was different in commentary. Luckily, they’ve all gotten better with highlighting the US without tearing other countries down.
Nashua is probably 1 of the last graceful gymnasts. Power and big skills seems to have taken over the sport which is awesome because you see crazy things which are really cool however I think it may be taking away from the beauty and the grace fullness of the sport and I'd like to see that Interwoven are bit
Yes. Gymnastics now is not graceful at all and is lacking in the artistic elements. I wish it flowed and was more graceful like the 70s-90s. Gymnasts looked like they were floating back then and had beautiful lines. I like gymnastics now, but I really wish they would make it flowy and graceful now.
Why did everyone think that Shawn would clearly win? They even compared the start values and there wasn't that much of a difference. They probably were looking at national scores where Shawn mostly won, but she got credited and didn't get deducted for her dance elements on floor. She also got a 9.5 execution for her Amanar-ish vaulting which is just crazy. Nastia was overscored as well but overall was cleaner, it's mostly her bars dismount where she got hammered in international competitions, but the rest of her elements - especially on beam and vault - weren't deducted much more different than at nationals. Shawn's beam is great but she finally got deducted for landing with an extremely low chest on many elements and her lack of flexibility. This was a deserved win for Nastia.
they were stupid. like in 2012 when they thought Wieber was a lock for the AA just because she won one year earlier by that tiny margin. they forget that apart from Simone gymnastics results depend mostly on who just happens to have the better day
Shawn had an incredible 2007 while Nastia largely struggled at every major competition. She didn't even look like herself until the 2008 American Cup and by then many people had already written her off as a 2 event gymnast. Nastia never gave up and obviously proved them wrong, but there were still a lot of people who looked at Shawn's 2007 and Nastia's 2007 and thought that Shawn had Beijing in the bag. Plus Shawn went into Beijing as National Champ -- for some people that's all they consider as being a favorite to win.
@@waybackwhen101 Of course Nastia's 2007 was rough and when she came back stronger in 2008 she struggled at first in competitions. These were minor mistakes though. Take the Visa Championships in 2008. Nastia hit especially on day 2 and they should have noticed that she could be a real threat to Shawn.
@@johannas5622 Nastia knew how to hit when it counted and she deserves that win in Beijing. Shawn knew for over a year that she would need to hit and stick EVERYTHING to beat an on fire Nastia and she just didn't that day. She gave up half a point in landings/dismounts alone and she knew she couldn't do that and win. Either way, both are incredible gymnasts. The perfect yin and yang!
The commentators never see Shawn’s mistakes, she didn’t hit a single split on beam, her chest is super low on her dismount and standing full. On bars she was super close on her releases and had bent arms. Jiang’s beam routine was cleaner than Shawn’s and they were shocked because they got the same E score. Ridiculous.
Whyyyyyy do they never mention that her chest is down on her dismounts? It bothers me every time I see her do that and hear the commentators say "Wow! Can you believe that?" as if they've never seen such a perfect beam routine. Shawn had difficulty, but there are plenty of other people I would rather watch perform on beam...which was her best event.
The most unprofessional team of announcers I've ever heard hands down. They should try judging before they criticize those doing it. I'm a track and field official and I would be livid if I heard commentators talking like this.
Because she was just generally a nasty commentator. She said so many things over the years that should have gotten her fired honestly. Thank goodness she’s gone now.
She was the real star of that team, was solid throughout the games. The major challenge in the AA was just start value- and a rather generous score on beam for a routine that should not have received what it did- and allowed Yang Yilin to beat her.
Nastia's vault set the tone for her whole day. It was beautiful. Unfortunately her bars dismount never did her any favors. They should have rethought it.
It was the only one she could do at the time since she was too tall to keep her double layout. She tried a double front before but had trouble with it so she added a half turn to make it easier. I think she might have tried a full twisting double back too but also had trouble on it
The scoring in gymnastics back in 2008 had the all around winner be good in uneven bars. Now a days I think the high scoring apparatus is vault. I don't think they can ever make gymnastics equal for all four apparatus but I feel the floor or beam should score the most because the routine last the longest about 1 1/2 minute. Vault only takes about 1/2 minute but whatever they do the scoring can never be completely fair.
QPHashSS77 Not really. Bars is by far the most difficult apparatus. Beam may be more intimidating, but bars seems to be the easiest to mess up. The form errors add up very quickly.
They shouldn’t be equal, vault lasts about 5 seconds so it’s difficult to pick apart deductions. They can’t lower the D scores so that it’s more fair. You can’t do all around if you’re not good on every event. I don’t think there’s any modern day gymnast that is equally good on all 4 events.
Maia exactly, and I dare say the #1 most overlooked and underestimated thing in gymnastics is the shoulder strength and flexibility needed just to do a giant swing, let alone pirouettes in L-grip
JGSHEW Yea it’s much easier to tumble than it is to stay balanced and make handstands on uneven bars, like Tim said, “you’re on a razors edge”. Inbars and L-grips are so difficult too. Bars difficulty is so underrated.
Красавица е Настя. 😊Такова изящество, завършени движения, грация вече не се виждат в гимнастиката.Но тук победата трябваше да бъде за Шон! Радвам се, че и двете са успешни и щастливи в днешни дни!
The ridiculous scores on bars during this quad meant that had certain athletes competed under later or earlier CoP, they wouldn't have been anywhere near as competitive in the all-around.
We must love NBC only showing 8 different gymnasts, that are all in the top 4 countries (2 per countries duh). Meanwhile the rest of the world probably got like one routine from close to the 3/4 of the competitors... Yeah?
i don t understand the execution score for shawn vault...it was underotated with a step on the landing...how it s possible to give ger 9.375 for execution? thought she would received around 8.9
I know right!! How did she get the same execution score as Yang Yilin with that underotation and shoulders rotation, and that side step that was almost a long step?????
Yang yilins beam score is kinda ridiculous here. She’s great and it wasn’t bad but how did it only get .3 less than nastia? Chinese were overscored on beam in Beijing no doubt
I can watch this over and over. First, Nastia is the epitome of what gymnastics should be: perfect balance of ability and grace. I’ve always Been drawn to gymnastics like her, I.e. Julianne McNamara. Second, knowing that Shawn intentionally (in her own words) didn’t talk to Nastia for 9 years because she was bitter about losing tells me much about her character at that time and seeing Nastia literally runaway with the gold here is so satisfying. Yes Shawn has matured since but still. Third, I think Nastia was robbed of the gold on the bars also. There should be two gold medals awarded.
She never said she was bitter and intentionally didn’t talk, when they brought it up they both said that they just thought they should be against each other since the world was pitting them against each other. And in the end Shawn was the one that contacted Nastia. Also it was 8 years...
Shawns still bitter, she can’t get over that Nastia was way better than her on that day. It’s what happens when national media overhypes an athlete, they start to think they have an easy path to victory. It is so ridiculous and petty of Shawn to stop talking to Nastia. I never really liked Shawn, I’m so glad Nastia won.
It still bothers me that Valeri Liukin said that winning silver was the “worst thing” Nastia could do. I think it says a lot about what kind of coach he was...and that seemed to be confirmed by several gymnasts in recent years.
QPHashSS77 thank you for sharing this. I didn’t know why he was so personally invested, and so I was focused only on the idea that second was “the worst.” I can’t imagine a place where an Olympic silver medal is “the worst.” It helps to at least know where this mindset came from.
Everyone takes that remark of Valeri's out of context because of the garbage way Tim phrased it initially when he brought it up at Visas (?). I 100% believe that Valeri meant to say, "Nastia is like me. Silver is the biggest disappointment she can imagine." I won't argue that he ruined Rebecca Bross' career or dispute what Katelyn Ohashi has said about him. But he was talking about Nastia's own attitude toward competition and how it mirrored his own when he was an athlete.
I wish they would have shown more of Anna Pavlova, Vanessa Ferrari, Jade Barbosa, and Ariella Kaslin. Those were some amazing gymnasts in this quad I would have loved to see more of in the AA final
Ok but the step to the side is not uncharacteristic for Shawn honestly. She took a step a lot. Even when it looked like she didn’t need to. I guess maybe she thought her difficulty was enough that a step here and there to be safe wasn’t going to hurt her...
In the olympic trials, and probably other USA national event, they always said that Shawn said she wanted to take a step, but forward. It’s actually the first and only time i saw Shawn doing the side step
I know it doesn't make a difference in the rankings, but every time I watch Yang's FX it bugs the judges took a 0.1 over time deduction. She had a gorgeous routine that met the directives, and they still couldn't overlook a 2 second OT.
Nastia had great staying power through the 2005-2008 quad. I’m not 100% sure how that happened because she was inconsistent and had significant injuries during that time.
Nastia was just a little bit more polished than Shawn during the whole competition. That is how close it was between the two of them. It was a very exciting competition.
Are the beam judges just not counting balance checks or something? Because holy cow theres been tons but very high scores for everyone who has them, regardless of country
Because they had multiple wobbles on beam and were over scored. Nastia was underscored in vault. They judges seemed to favor the Chinese gymnasts and gave them bigger scores when they clearly made multiple mistakes yet deductions were not marked.
@@roamingramon6517 right? Like I love them both but it annoys me that the judges and other fans overlook how slow nastia's connections were and that it was unfair she was even getting credited for them. I know it was a different quad but they deducted other gymnasts for it smh. Tim even said there was only one (even though there was more lol) that they shouldn't have credited but he didn't say anything else when they did. As far as Shawn's leaps and her Amanar, they did mention how she should have been deducted on that at least
Mostly because they had a multitude of very visible errors THROUGHOUT the games but weren’t penalized much for them. The scoring at this games was extremely inconsistent and highly questionable.
It's July 2020 and I'm still watching this. Nastia's floor routine is my all time fave. I know the tumbling is not as difficult as the other gymnasts nowadays, but the whole routine is just amazing.
Agreed, her performance is absolutely mesmerizing, and the way she accents the music with her movements and flexibility!
@QPHashSS77 She's very reminiscent of the late 20th century gymnastics
Loved how she only did 4 passes. And she was money in event finals.
@@knocturna9731 Huh? It's because of mainly the dance elements. Besides, she's not that bad of a floor worker
Yes, seriously yes. Nastia has so much poise and artistry in her performances that has been lost in the current age of WAG. These days its so much more about power and difficulty, but Nastia was an incredible artistic gymanist
I’m so used to hearing nastia’s voice along with Tim. Crazy how much can change in 12 years
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If the craziest moments in women's sports were a drink, they’d be 100% adrenaline!
Ksenia Semenova seemed to be having the time of her life out there. She was just such a doll and so wholesomely happy.
I love her!!
I was really hoping she’d continue to London and get another shot at an Olympic medal, she was really fun to watch- on bars in particular.
Along with Aly going back in 2016 and finally making the AA, this is one of my absolute favorite moments in gymnastics. Watching Nastia (and her dad) win the gold still chokes me up no matter how many times I watch it.
i have the same feeling!
Yeah I was happy for her but with ally they were fair bec she did a difficult routine yea Naustias is beautiful to watch very elegant but you need a certain amount of difficulty that wasn’t even close to shawns routine was great the height but they were not fair with the judging scores and again someone complains about naustias routine n gets fixed to get a higher score this is the second time they did this no way was naustias beam routine better than shawns the amount of difficulty Shawn has jammed pack wasn’t a fair win but I’m not blaming naustia she did great just the people who have the power to make scores change
Shawns routine was better than any of them it’s not right how they rig this
@@Saleigh no one rigged anything. Shawn just didn't have the scores to make up for the difference this time. If anything you'd think they'd rig the scores to favor the Chinese gymnasts since they're in Beijing.
Actually Shawn was prettylucky they didn't devalue her vault for being under rotated when landing. And Nastia was scored a bit low for her vault. It was an even playing field. Both girls earned their place and they were scored on their performance of that day only.
It's funny that Bela said this was a turning point for whether artistry or power would be the future of gymnastics. Since Nastia won, you'd think that indicates artistry as the future, but in the 13 years since (how) the opposite has become more and more true.
It's a shame that the artistry has been lost in modern gymnastics
I think it's because the code became a lot more strict after this olympics. No more late connections, underrotated twists, and low chest landings, plus they changed a lot of connecting values which ending up leading to the same sets of skills being performed by everyone. 2008 was the last code imo where everyone could score big and still have unique routines. Glad they changed a lot of things since a 9.5 E-score on floor is nuts, but I miss the variety gymnasts could have
At 1:24:17 you can hear Shawn’s father whistling loudly as Shawn searches the crowd for her parents. Such a sweet moment.
I actually think he farted and that is what she heard and how she found him
Tim: “Shawn told me there is nothing wrong with saying you want to be Olympic all around champion”
Elfi: “Ksenia Semenova said she’s so excited to be doing all around... felt she could win the title“ *scoffs*
god elfi was so annoying lmao
Ugh, that's so gross. Showing contempt at a teenager's dream. Really? I know you're rooting for the Americans, but have some class!
That was such a tasteless joke of her to make, given that Ksenia won the Uneven Bars at Worlds 2007 and was only 15 years old. Not only that but she place 4th in the All Around at these Olympics. So clearly Ksenia was good enough to be a contender for the All Around title.
Trash talk starts at about 32:25. (Though to be fair, Elfie compliments her, too.)
@@alexandraolvera5903 She was amazing! She was also absolutely delightful to watch. So happy and free and seemed to really be enjoying the entire experience. She won my heart.
Wow it’s been so many years and yet I’m still in awe with Nastia and Shawn’s talent!!!! ❤
It's June 2021 and I'm watching Nastia again! She is so graceful, stunning, and brings such beauty to the sport. I can't believe it's been 13 years since Beijing. Gymnastics now seems to focus on acrobatics rather than the whole package, especially the floor routines. The movements aren't graceful or artistic anymore.
Shawn was awesome here as well!
I’m watching in July 2022
I can’t help but feel sorry for Anna Pavlova. She’s a phenomenal gymnast and don’t feel like she is acknowledged enough
@tony braxter I disagree. Her form was better than Nastia. Particularly on beam and floor.
Her bars is shit nothing, far worse than even Shawn's. Far worse than Raisman's in fact. So she never stood a shot in the All Around. Her shot of medals was always the event finals on vault, beam, and maybe floor. All Around was never a possible with her bars.
@@richardross4677 she literally came in 4th in the all around at the 2004 Olympics, and was just as good at the 2008 Olympics. So respectfully, I disagree.
@@flaming_eazy 2004 was a totally different scoring system you seem to forget. She could get away with weak bars in 2004 and be in contention since with the 10 system you only lose several tenths. Under the wide open era system she was scoring a whopping 2 to 3 points behind people like Liukin and Yilin on bars, basically 3 falls worth of points. If you don't believe me look up the scores yourself. Nobody who is scoring mid 14s in bars in 2008 where some girls were scoring around 17 was going to stand a chance in the AA no matter their other events.
@@jeepluver3195. She has better form than Nastia on beam??? HAHAHAHAHAH!!!
That analysis of Shawn vs. Nastia at the beginning is cool, never saw that before
With the start values? I love that part too!
@@kentiemacgymnastics9885 yes! In retrospect it's crazy to think that almost everyone thought Shawn had the gold in the bag, but then by the end of the 3rd rotation it's pretty clear that's not the case
however Nastia said that it put a big "gap" or "writh" between their friendship. Luckily Nastia was invited and went to Shawn's wedding and when Nastia's engagement fell off Shawn and her husband opened their house for Nas to live with them. So over all the press "rivalry" between them, def pushed them apart. But their the best of friends now - which is good (in my opinion)
This is the first time I've seen that. It's helpful for someone like me, who has never participated in gymnastics, I just love watching it.
They completely underestimated Nastia by so much! Of course she has the beauty and technique.
I love that they are best friends now and Shawn's a mom. Such incredible girls!
Saw paris olympics, it makes me wanna go back and watch the old olympics, and remember what I was doing at the time, I had cox cable at the time, no dvr, so I had to watch it on prime time replay, and I had 9 to 5 jobs at the time.
it’s so bizarre to me how much bars was emphasised in this COP, like a 7.7 start value??? i started watching gymnastics this year and looking back it’s genuinely astounding to me that you could get so much higher just by being good on bars lol
yep it was crazy. plus that quad had Yang Yilin, He Kexin, Nastia, and Beth Tweddle all competing and they all took advantage of the crazy combo bonuses that the 2006-2008 Code awarded. we probably won't see scores like that for bars in a quad ever again
I’m fairly certain that during this quad they counted their 10 most difficult skills towards their start value vs. only allowing 8 skills now. That could add a point or more easy right there. This was such a Great competition!
I know, right?
rene ruiz Sorry.....no. You’re wrong. I’d try explaining it further to you...but that would be a waste ,obviously, since you cannot understand that the number ten is more than eight. Good luck with that.
rene ruiz maybe in another competition, but Nastia hardly displayed any weaknesses during her routines. Her landings were great, especially on vault and beam. And if you listen closely, you‘ll hear the commentators evaluating her scores before and after the results came in, overall agreeing with them. Plus, the margin was no less than 0,6 points to Shawn. Shawn couldn’t have gotten much higher execution scores than she already did, and the D-scores were in check.
Aww, the official giving Nastia her flowers says, "It's a good day; don't cry!" ❤️
I love how Nastia's floor routine really complements her music. Esp on the third pass's landings, and the little frolicking jump she does right after. Brilliant!
I really would love to know how Nastia's brain works. What kind of mental toughness does it take for a teenager to suffer through a challenging injury, stick to her dreams, and then be able to perform at her very best when she needed it most? So many people (myself included) have done well in practice, but then choked on the real thing due to pressure and nerves. She did the opposite. She made mistakes during other competitions, and even during warm-ups at the AA. But when it came to the actual competition, she delivered above and beyond. I mean, just look at that vault. That's what fascinates me the most. It takes superhuman confidence and determination to fight through so many things set against her and come out on top. Everyone thought Shawn would win AA, but Nastia surprised us all. I know she had a big advantage on bars, but I am still just amazed at her inner strength.
She recently posted a video with her dad reacting to this competition and walking through each rotation and what she was feeling (and him). It's on her TH-cam channel. It was super cool to get an inside look into her mind here. Also sad to hear Shawn say recently she was battling with bad mental health, borderline anorexia and addiction. These poor athletes go through so much to make it to these high levels, I often wonder if they think it's worth it in the end.
@@HB-ey2dkHe visto ese video, pero lastima que no se inglés y no entiendo nada
@@HB-ey2dkyeah, Shawn had a rough go especially after the games. She felt bad about gaining some weight afterwards and struggled with drug use trying to lose it. Fortunately she overcame that and now has an amazing family and life. The saddest part is that tends to happen a lot in gymnastics because people judge athletes by their physical appearance instead of their abilities. It’s gotten better, gymnasts are encouraged to be strong and athletic rather than super skinny… but the sentiment does still exist.
Agreed! So many people went by previous results and assumed Nastia couldn't get it together. But in the end she pulled it out. I knew when I saw her land that vault cold that she would win. Her mental game is so impressive.
Her dad is an Olympic champion . He taught her.
I count at least 7 different pronunciations of "Jiang Yuyuan" from Al in this
yuyuanyuan
yup especially the last name, at some point he doesnt even bother he just pronounces it Jiang OneOne! WTF
@@siennalune3779 Fun fact, that's her first name. The Chinese say their name in the opposite order of Americans.
@@E-ClaireCream Learnt one new thing today !! cheers
Can u do a better job?? We know is who he was referring to
There is no other gymnast like Nastia! Her dance elements, perfect lines, beauty and grace are a joy to watch! There is a fluidity, completeness and calmness to her routines. She leaves you wanting to see more. It would be great if she continued dancing, even if the fancy tricks are in the past
Have you ever seen the soviets of the 70s? No one has ever come close to them. All gymnasts from 70s to 90s.
Anna Pavlova's floor routine was gorgeous. I miss Russian gymnastics
i agree
Ganz herzlichen Dank. So schön, das noch einmal erleben zu dürfen. 😉🫠
A bygone era.
This is when gymnastics was dynamic but beautifully graceful.
It still is, and is becoming more so. Just because the sport has evolved is not an excuse to demean the athletes of today!
@ Depends who it is.
Some are not graceful at all and win a lot. Beds fit off the current scoring system but that’s it.
Still love watching this. Nastia and Shawn!! Queens.
It’s 2024 and I’m still watching this. ❤❤❤
Anna Pavlova's floor routine was simply BEAUTIFUL ❤
Thank you for uploading! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
This was a GREAT All-Around final!
Me... I am going to catch up and get ready for Tokyo 2021. Starting on 1976 with the great Nadia Comăneci!! On my way to 2021
Still blows my mind at these young ladies. Can you imagine standing on that podium at 16(Both Shawn and Yang)and Nastia was 18 yrs old? All these gymnast are truly amazing. Still shows the beauty and value of a stuck landing. Without three out of four routines stuck, Nastia probably wouldn't have won the Gold AA. 🌹💖
1:38:35 nastia: “hm let’s do another medal pic” shawn: *sigh*
haha you're right! Then she put on her gracious game face and smiled brightly. Such a classy trooper, esp in light of her deep disappointment inside at not winning the gold.
@@thegreenskittle she has a channel with her husband and she said she was very tired and barely remembers it happening
From the way I saw it, the only thing I saw underscored was Nastia’s vault. Her bars I thought was very fair because chest down on dismount + the step + legs in some parts and a few short HS
Damn, Stelliana NIstor was having back spasms and still managed to be out there doing gymnastics?? I bow to her.
No kidding, right? Tough as nails- but sadly she likely didn’t have any choice as Romania usually pushed athletes to compete no matter what.
Nastia and Shawn both one of the greatest gymnasts but one thing I can’t ignore is Nastia peak at right time while Shawn was at her peak the whole year Nastia get 5medals and Shawn 4medals that’s outstanding in single Olympics
Wow these announcers are hating on every gymnast aside from Nastia and Shawn. YiLin’s beam to me was not that bad but they acted like she had the worst set of her life. Also claiming Yuyuan got help from the judges and calling her mess up on the turn “silly” They tear the Chinese gymnasts to pieces and I am not here for it! Cmon keep it professional!
You’re just so right!!!! They are very annoying speaking like that!
She had 5 very visible balance checks..... Also a fairly easy set of turns like that is quite silly to mess up. Also those falls....
Well they did give the Chinese a way higher score with mess ups than Nastia perfect vault! I was pissed too.
@@surathmartinus52 thank you!
To be fair, this did seem overscored compared to many other scores. Also, this was in 2008 where the culture was different in commentary. Luckily, they’ve all gotten better with highlighting the US without tearing other countries down.
Nashua is probably 1 of the last graceful gymnasts. Power and big skills seems to have taken over the sport which is awesome because you see crazy things which are really cool however I think it may be taking away from the beauty and the grace fullness of the sport and I'd like to see that Interwoven are bit
Yes. Gymnastics now is not graceful at all and is lacking in the artistic elements. I wish it flowed and was more graceful like the 70s-90s. Gymnasts looked like they were floating back then and had beautiful lines. I like gymnastics now, but I really wish they would make it flowy and graceful now.
Why did everyone think that Shawn would clearly win? They even compared the start values and there wasn't that much of a difference. They probably were looking at national scores where Shawn mostly won, but she got credited and didn't get deducted for her dance elements on floor. She also got a 9.5 execution for her Amanar-ish vaulting which is just crazy. Nastia was overscored as well but overall was cleaner, it's mostly her bars dismount where she got hammered in international competitions, but the rest of her elements - especially on beam and vault - weren't deducted much more different than at nationals. Shawn's beam is great but she finally got deducted for landing with an extremely low chest on many elements and her lack of flexibility. This was a deserved win for Nastia.
they were stupid. like in 2012 when they thought Wieber was a lock for the AA just because she won one year earlier by that tiny margin. they forget that apart from Simone gymnastics results depend mostly on who just happens to have the better day
@@lpoco0006 lmao "apart from Simone" hahahaha I love that idk why
Shawn had an incredible 2007 while Nastia largely struggled at every major competition. She didn't even look like herself until the 2008 American Cup and by then many people had already written her off as a 2 event gymnast. Nastia never gave up and obviously proved them wrong, but there were still a lot of people who looked at Shawn's 2007 and Nastia's 2007 and thought that Shawn had Beijing in the bag. Plus Shawn went into Beijing as National Champ -- for some people that's all they consider as being a favorite to win.
@@waybackwhen101 Of course Nastia's 2007 was rough and when she came back stronger in 2008 she struggled at first in competitions. These were minor mistakes though. Take the Visa Championships in 2008. Nastia hit especially on day 2 and they should have noticed that she could be a real threat to Shawn.
@@johannas5622 Nastia knew how to hit when it counted and she deserves that win in Beijing. Shawn knew for over a year that she would need to hit and stick EVERYTHING to beat an on fire Nastia and she just didn't that day. She gave up half a point in landings/dismounts alone and she knew she couldn't do that and win. Either way, both are incredible gymnasts. The perfect yin and yang!
Shawn had clearly shed a few tears while waiting for the medal ceremony to begin. Bless her.
Actually both Russian gymnasts were amazing on floor! Wow.
The commentators never see Shawn’s mistakes, she didn’t hit a single split on beam, her chest is super low on her dismount and standing full. On bars she was super close on her releases and had bent arms. Jiang’s beam routine was cleaner than Shawn’s and they were shocked because they got the same E score. Ridiculous.
I know, then they seem so mad at the judges so irrationally. It’s almost like no international gymnast can out score an American.
Whyyyyyy do they never mention that her chest is down on her dismounts? It bothers me every time I see her do that and hear the commentators say "Wow! Can you believe that?" as if they've never seen such a perfect beam routine. Shawn had difficulty, but there are plenty of other people I would rather watch perform on beam...which was her best event.
Sydney Olson Yea they’re like “that step is the only error in the routine.”
Sydney Olson Like Li Shanshan and Nastia on beam.
They did said what you mentioned.
41:42 damn Shawn’s L turn was crazy
I love it so much, never seen anything like that!
The most unprofessional team of announcers I've ever heard hands down. They should try judging before they criticize those doing it. I'm a track and field official and I would be livid if I heard commentators talking like this.
17:45 Yang Yilin didn't fall, it was Jiang Yuyuan who fell.
Damn Elfie...why did you laugh at Ksenia wanting to be the AA champ?? I usually don't mind Elfie being over critical but that was just rude.
Because she was just generally a nasty commentator. She said so many things over the years that should have gotten her fired honestly. Thank goodness she’s gone now.
“Routine we are watching for generations” yes absolutely watching it in 2024🩷
Still sad that Ksenia Semenova didn't win a medal in Beijing :( She did her best the entire competition
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She was the real star of that team, was solid throughout the games. The major challenge in the AA was just start value- and a rather generous score on beam for a routine that should not have received what it did- and allowed Yang Yilin to beat her.
nastia came to this all around being the underdog and just wiped everyone else out and won by 0.600 😆
No matter how many years go by, the Chinese judges never tried to hide their favoritism😂
Something that really bothers me on beam, is that these gymnasts do layouts and twisting on beam, BUT DONT HIT 180 IN A SPLIT JUMP
The Chinese are an exception (and nastia) I love watching their jumps and dance
These are great !! Keep up the good work for the content you post
I can't believe how high the scores were now it's impossible to get a 16
Nastia's vault set the tone for her whole day. It was beautiful. Unfortunately her bars dismount never did her any favors. They should have rethought it.
It was the only one she could do at the time since she was too tall to keep her double layout. She tried a double front before but had trouble with it so she added a half turn to make it easier. I think she might have tried a full twisting double back too but also had trouble on it
@@murasakino101it also had a really high difficulty at the time
The scoring in gymnastics back in 2008 had the all around winner be good in uneven bars. Now a days I think the high scoring apparatus is vault. I don't think they can ever make gymnastics equal for all four apparatus but I feel the floor or beam should score the most because the routine last the longest about 1 1/2 minute. Vault only takes about 1/2 minute but whatever they do the scoring can never be completely fair.
QPHashSS77 Not really. Bars is by far the most difficult apparatus. Beam may be more intimidating, but bars seems to be the easiest to mess up. The form errors add up very quickly.
QPHashSS77 Bars is more difficult, there’s very little room for error and it’s so hard to get a perfect handstand. Beam just comes down to nerves
They shouldn’t be equal, vault lasts about 5 seconds so it’s difficult to pick apart deductions. They can’t lower the D scores so that it’s more fair. You can’t do all around if you’re not good on every event. I don’t think there’s any modern day gymnast that is equally good on all 4 events.
Maia exactly, and I dare say the #1 most overlooked and underestimated thing in gymnastics is the shoulder strength and flexibility needed just to do a giant swing, let alone pirouettes in L-grip
JGSHEW Yea it’s much easier to tumble than it is to stay balanced and make handstands on uneven bars, like Tim said, “you’re on a razors edge”. Inbars and L-grips are so difficult too. Bars difficulty is so underrated.
39:36 here Valeri already knew that Nastia would win
I'm happy for her father, he was a legend
I found it interesting that the NBC commentators started off rooting for Shawn to win, but shifted to Nastia as the evening progressed.
It became pretty obvious that Nastia was absolutely spot on her game… and Shawn really wasn’t.
I sensed this from the moment Nastia stuck her vault landing. Perhaps Shawn sensed this, and felt the pressure.@@saragrant9749
Красавица е Настя. 😊Такова изящество, завършени движения, грация вече не се виждат в гимнастиката.Но тук победата трябваше да бъде за Шон!
Радвам се, че и двете са успешни и щастливи в днешни дни!
46:13 jangjuangjuang hahahaha
The Rumanian gymnastic is perfect
Romania, 😘👍
Nastya is a real Olympic champion, proud, uncompromising, Valkyrie , one of the most popular gymnasts in the world 😂🤣👏
Nastia 💪🏻👍
That "Thought she could win the title" at 32:20 must be the most savage moment in commentary history haahahahaa
was hoping for a better quality video
The ridiculous scores on bars during this quad meant that had certain athletes competed under later or earlier CoP, they wouldn't have been anywhere near as competitive in the all-around.
Unfortunately they’d had time to adapt to the new code- since 2006 and didn’t. It cost them.
Essa chinesa é perfeita. Maravilhosa. Foi uma disputa e tanto. Shawn, Nastia e a Chinesa não sei o nome foram extremamente incomparáveis
Yes!! We are so proud of y'all!!
USA USA USA USA ♥️🙏🏼🇺🇲
We must love NBC only showing 8 different gymnasts, that are all in the top 4 countries (2 per countries duh). Meanwhile the rest of the world probably got like one routine from close to the 3/4 of the competitors... Yeah?
In most coverages they cover the top group 80% of the time even in World Championships
52:24, you can hear sandra izbasa's floor routine music.
i don t understand the execution score for shawn vault...it was underotated with a step on the landing...how it s possible to give ger 9.375 for execution? thought she would received around 8.9
They weren't that strict before on vault
I know right!! How did she get the same execution score as Yang Yilin with that underotation and shoulders rotation, and that side step that was almost a long step?????
Yang yilins beam score is kinda ridiculous here. She’s great and it wasn’t bad but how did it only get .3 less than nastia? Chinese were overscored on beam in Beijing no doubt
I can watch this over and over. First, Nastia is the epitome of what gymnastics should be: perfect balance of ability and grace. I’ve always
Been drawn to gymnastics like her, I.e. Julianne McNamara. Second, knowing that Shawn intentionally (in her own words) didn’t talk to Nastia for 9 years because she was bitter about losing tells me much about her character at that time and seeing Nastia literally runaway with the gold here is so satisfying. Yes Shawn has matured since but still. Third, I think Nastia was robbed of the gold on the bars also. There should be two gold medals awarded.
She never said she was bitter and intentionally didn’t talk, when they brought it up they both said that they just thought they should be against each other since the world was pitting them against each other. And in the end Shawn was the one that contacted Nastia. Also it was 8 years...
Tidal VII actually, yes she did
senorgato70 They did???? Where did you see that I want to watch it
Shawns still bitter, she can’t get over that Nastia was way better than her on that day. It’s what happens when national media overhypes an athlete, they start to think they have an easy path to victory. It is so ridiculous and petty of Shawn to stop talking to Nastia. I never really liked Shawn, I’m so glad Nastia won.
I also kind of wish she’d won beam as well
Three little heros. And Ksenia. She should get something.
Just needed a wee bit more start value on floor and vault and she might have snagged that AA bronze. I miss her bars, they were awesome.
Anna Pavlova 💙💙💙💙💙
It still bothers me that Valeri Liukin said that winning silver was the “worst thing” Nastia could do. I think it says a lot about what kind of coach he was...and that seemed to be confirmed by several gymnasts in recent years.
QPHashSS77 thank you for sharing this. I didn’t know why he was so personally invested, and so I was focused only on the idea that second was “the worst.” I can’t imagine a place where an Olympic silver medal is “the worst.” It helps to at least know where this mindset came from.
@@lauranorwar he was personally invested because he's her father and coach.....
In 1988 Olympics he lost the gold by the slimmest of margin and I think he seeing himself in his daughter
No one trains for second place
Everyone takes that remark of Valeri's out of context because of the garbage way Tim phrased it initially when he brought it up at Visas (?). I 100% believe that Valeri meant to say, "Nastia is like me. Silver is the biggest disappointment she can imagine." I won't argue that he ruined Rebecca Bross' career or dispute what Katelyn Ohashi has said about him. But he was talking about Nastia's own attitude toward competition and how it mirrored his own when he was an athlete.
Nastia vs Shawn: ultimate fist fighting. lol
Is there a reason there not showing routines instead of people standing around there is 4 event going on right
It’s the us... they only care to show top athletes and basically say fuck y’all to the other rotations... such a shame…
Can you upload the 2012 nbc gymnastics team final
Will you be able to upload 2008 Olympics women's event finals? I can't find them anywhere :(
Here you are! th-cam.com/video/0uTUyqoFTLg/w-d-xo.html
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Thanks so much!!! :)
I wish they would have shown more of Anna Pavlova, Vanessa Ferrari, Jade Barbosa, and Ariella Kaslin. Those were some amazing gymnasts in this quad I would have loved to see more of in the AA final
Ok but the step to the side is not uncharacteristic for Shawn honestly. She took a step a lot. Even when it looked like she didn’t need to. I guess maybe she thought her difficulty was enough that a step here and there to be safe wasn’t going to hurt her...
In the olympic trials, and probably other USA national event, they always said that Shawn said she wanted to take a step, but forward. It’s actually the first and only time i saw Shawn doing the side step
Hey ja sweet, das noch auch so erlebt
Nastia slayed
Queen Nastia 👑
I know it doesn't make a difference in the rankings, but every time I watch Yang's FX it bugs the judges took a 0.1 over time deduction. She had a gorgeous routine that met the directives, and they still couldn't overlook a 2 second OT.
THE NUMBER OF NAMES THEY GET WRONG WHEN ITS NOT NASTIA OR SHAWN OMG 🤣
The European commentators are ten times worse- they can’t get ANY names right.
Shawn was heartbroken. It broke my heart watching her find out that she didn't win gold.
It really was- which made her beam gold that much sweeter. It was so deserved too- nobody then or now tumbled on that thing like she did.
Thank you for uploading..do you have any of the mens competitions for the Beijing Olympics?
The chinese were SO overscored those beam scores were a joke
@TurboCMinusMinus The tie breaker between Nastia and He Kexin was terrible. The Chinese delegation was so corrupt
TurboCMinusMinus the overage thing was never proven, and the FIG and IOC found them all innocent. Get your head out your ass.
the camera shot at 47:42 is very awkward and taking very long
Nastia had great staying power through the 2005-2008 quad. I’m not 100% sure how that happened because she was inconsistent and had significant injuries during that time.
Elfie laughing so rude . 32:31
it's a shame the quality of this video is so bad
Where is there .4 in nastia vault?
Shew Elfie was feeling sassy this day lol
27:20 passed before Tim had his little kid comments.
Why am I crying😭
Tim Daggett looks like a cartoon character.
Nastia was just a little bit more polished than Shawn during the whole competition. That is how close it was between the two of them. It was a very exciting competition.
China♥️
Are the beam judges just not counting balance checks or something? Because holy cow theres been tons but very high scores for everyone who has them, regardless of country
The amount of times the US commentators criticise the Chinese is astounding.
Because they had multiple wobbles on beam and were over scored. Nastia was underscored in vault. They judges seemed to favor the Chinese gymnasts and gave them bigger scores when they clearly made multiple mistakes yet deductions were not marked.
@@lesslysanchez369 yeah like how Shawn wasnt deducted for not hitting her splits on beam and nastia being so slow in her beam connections 🙄
@@roamingramon6517 right? Like I love them both but it annoys me that the judges and other fans overlook how slow nastia's connections were and that it was unfair she was even getting credited for them. I know it was a different quad but they deducted other gymnasts for it smh. Tim even said there was only one (even though there was more lol) that they shouldn't have credited but he didn't say anything else when they did. As far as Shawn's leaps and her Amanar, they did mention how she should have been deducted on that at least
Mostly because they had a multitude of very visible errors THROUGHOUT the games but weren’t penalized much for them. The scoring at this games was extremely inconsistent and highly questionable.