Here it is, one of the longest videos I've ever made! This wouldn't have been possible without modder Roy Batty and most significantly, modder Ludo, who was the first to document the most esoteric information included in this video. He also looked through the 9000+ word script and gave me some much needed advice, so thank you so much dude! Also thank you guys for supporting my channel! If you'd like to support me and my art even further, check out my Patreon! 💙💙💙 www.patreon.com/TriangleCity
Honestly the project purity scene hit home for me. He made up a task just so dr. Lee could live. I also really appreciate that they gave Liam Neeson more 'notes' than whoever voiced Lee. I wonder if that's the case for all of his dialogue? He's pretty high-profile, so I wouldnt be surprised that they were more careful with direction and scripts
@@TriangleCity He already was the best companion, maybe they wanted to give the others a shot lol. Reuniting with Fawkes outside Ravenrock is my favorite FO3 moment, I cried tears of joy when I saw him. "My friend! I see I've found you at last!"
@@derain95 Oh my gosh, same!! I've been playing 3 again, and it made me cry again freeing Fawkes and then when he showed up at Raven Rock. I'm proud to have a Mucinex Muscle Man as my friend, along with my dog. Best two companions in the game. I wish Sarah Lyons could've been a companion, though.
I prefer Strong from Fallout 4 since you can have a funny optional conversation between the Sole Survivor, Strong, and Dr. Vergil about curing the FEV where Strong is seemingly terrified that Dr. Vergil will use the experimental serum on him instead and the Sole Survivor can either comfort him or tease him with a sarcastic response.
@@Jolis_Parsec I've never played Fallout 4, but I've researched a lot about the companions you can get in the game, and Strong is one I'd really like to experience if I ever pick up the game in the future.
This is a habit of Bethesda's I've really disliked since they started with Patrick Stewart in Oblivion. Celebrity voice actors are a pox, and maybe they could have hired more than six VAs if they weren't constantly hiring celebrities who probably cost more than the rest of the voice acting put together.
@@passingrando6457 The opening lines of Oblivion are memorable and epic. The issues with Va seemed to improve with each game. Skyrim had a lot more of them and I had no more issues with VA in Fallout 4.
@@KonniBel yes, and I'd have sacrificed that epic opening for a higher quality of voicing in the _rest of the game._ It's like getting an expensive appetizer and then leaving the restaurant to go eat fast food. As for the rest, Skyrim still had only about 10 non-unique voice actors, after getting _multiple_ celebrities (Vlad Kullich was great as Ulfric, Max Von Sydow is great but was wasted as Esbern), and Fallout 4 karked up the entire dynamic dialogue system in favor of bootleg Mass Effect dialogue with a female main MC performing way below her normal skill and a male VA whose performance ranges from "bored" to "smoked enough weed to kill Seth Rogan". Also, I forgot Sean Bean in Oblivion, who also did well, but not nearly enough to justify what his likely share of the voice budget was. At least Patrick Stewart knocked it out of the park, Bean was just "good".
Man, you should give the eulogy at my funeral and end it with, "ultimately, his life was left, on the cutting room floor...." followed by your haunting outro music
@@TriangleCity I'm serious man, lol. The way you frame your videos is intriguing. From the music, (stellar choice on the cowboy bebop ost, btw) to the in depth lore about not only the games themselves but the people who made these games. Your videos trigger a nostalgia something deep in my heart man....thanks for the great content. You are definitely up there with the nth apple as far as fallout goes in my book.
The whole Stacy and Caps plotline makes me so sad. Wish it wasn't cut. I like how dark fallout can be, and it would have make Little Lamplight a little more interesting
I'm a bit conflicted about the whole Super Mutant Dad thing. On the one hand, it would have been shocking and heartbreaking, which would have made it more memorable. On the other hand, I like that we get to spend some time with him before his death, and the Enclave being responsible gives us more motivations to stop them.
To be fair, the Enclave aren’t really responsible for his death. He straight up murder suicides. Not that it really matters, the entire narrative is a mess.
I dunno, mutant dad sounds corny. Trying a bit too hard to make you feel. As jank as the game is, it would be even sillier to feel for it. The game already has enough goofiness in it, intentional or not.
"A close friend turned into a beast" feels like a trope to the point of being a cliche. It's good that we got a story, where you get to just find the person you're looking for and work with them for some time.
I am currently in TTW now and I feel that Fallout 3's quests are fewer, but feels like they could've been more. Besides, ending Lesko and Roy Phillips in spite of the supposed 'bad karma' never gets old.
@@twistedbetrayal7234 the DLCs of Fallout 3 kinda blend into the gameplay to give a more full game. in New Vegas the DLCs are more like chapters that are contained to their own things
@@Pwnopolis even though, they had the assets from the end and beginning of fo3 to make the slideshows before they made the dlcs, so its probably just design choice
@@Pwnopolis I'll give you hindsight, but they had four years total and the army Bethesda was able to muster & pay whatever it took, they got Liam Neeson ffs, vs Vegas being made on chump change at a breakneck dev time. I think people fanboy over NV way too much & I personally enjoy F3 as much, but Bethesda not making as fleshed out quests compared to a company who had no clue how to even work the engine is inexcusable. not even mentioning the fact that Bethesda's entire catalog and entire wheelhouse has been quests in the style presented in F3
@@IlyaSPARTAN108 that's due to design decisions. i'm not sure if it was Sawyer or Avellone but the design team ultimately decided that the DLC questlines shouldn't affect the main game's worldspace which is why NV DLC's are self contained stories
I think the reason they made the Citadel so small on the map is twofold: 1, to give the illusion that the world is bigger than it actually is and 2, so that the location wouldn't bring so much attention to itself so that the player wouldn't immediatly just go to the place before they needed to.
That has to be the answer, especially given his description of the way things "tweak" the ending (e.g. slides for Agatha's Song and Head of State). He's definitely telling a half-truth in that there are around 110 total slides (separated into several segments) in the base game's ending slideshow, so accounting for all the combinations of slides could lead to over 200 discrete 'endings', even if in reality it's just 3 versions of the same ending.
i think so too. remember, if you outright wipe out a bunch of settlements and their population, then the ending slides will depict those acts with the protagonist walking through the settlements surrounded by corpses. so there's definitely very many different combination of slides that can come up, it's just that as a whole they don't really mean much.
Controlling Liberty Prime would have been a performance nightmare...but so was walking behind him, watching him walking in the river or double back constantly, having the animation that was supposed to disable the forcefield not activate, which necessitated multiple reloads or manually spawning him next to each forcefield until the damned quest marker was reached.
I feel like Last Rites might have been an epilogue involving perhaps a funeral for James once that the Jefferson Memorial was secured, where the Lone Wanderer and Dr. Li give him a proper funeral after initially leaving his body behind during the escape from the Enclave. It could have been scrapped when they made the decision for the Lone Wanderer to ultimately die at the end of the story.
I really like that idea. Really bothered me that James' body was disposed like that. Or it could have also been the player's own funeral that was supposed to be shown in an ingame cinematic where the player controls were disabled.
Hey'a, just wanted to mention that one of those cut Vault 87 terminal entries wasn't entirely cut. Well, it was cut from 87, but ended up used in Tranquility Lane. The entry that talks about the abilities and technological marvels inside the GECK, explaining how advanced it is- it can be found as a log inside Braun's personal Tranquility Lane computer, which you can only access as the "failsafe" option in the simulation.
"Cut down due to ambition" pretty much describes the entire FO3 experience. When looking at concept art for this game (as well as Skyrim) there's just so much that would've made it even better!
@@luigimrlgaming9484 yeah the best thing to do is to get a ghoul mask to be honest then you can do whatever you want. Like I always start up fallout three play operation anchorage get the armor and gear then do tenpenny Tower get the mask then I run to Rivet city
I wonder if the "240 endings" thing refers to the total number of combinations of ending slides and voiced descriptions of the player? That still seems like a lot but when he said the part about "if you do this or not this, you'd get this other tweak to the ending," it seems to suggest something like that might be the case. Plus it would make sense that they had 60 total combinations before deciding to add an entire other slide with 4 variations to multiply it to 240. Regardless, it still seems like a ton and I don't even know that it's possible that there are 240 different end slide/VA combinations currently, but lean towards there not being that many.
You spelled "immersive sim" wrong. God what I wouldn't give for a true immersive sim in the fallout universe. Although Fallout New Vegas is pretty damn close.
I agree, it does sound more interesting--but I could also see a story-related dilemma involved, too. Namely what TriangleCity noted: without the sense of urgency, it wouldn't feel like there's as much of a reason to actually leave the Vault. Going off-topic a bit, but it's kind of the problem I had with New Vegas with the whole Platinum Chip/hunt Benny plot of the first part, in that it felt like it required me to have a frothing-at-the-mouth revenge motive for advancing the story when I just survived by such a freak series of coincidences that it could only be called a miracle! Even the terms of the Mojave Express requiring their Couriers to retrieve lost and/or stolen property felt flimsy and tacked-on as a means of filling the plot hole. Still feel it's a good game, even it does get over-hyped.
The immediate hostility between Dad and the Enclave at project purity always suggested they already knew each other. Otherwise, it would have been much simpler for the Enclave to fool him by posing as benevolent government taking over because of their superior ressources and technology.
Living in a post-nuclear holocaust society where there has not been a goverment for generations and finding the enclave would be the most suspicious thing ever
Wasn't there a line/note in Fallout 4 which indicates that Brotherhood took a power source for the Prydwen airship from an old aircraft carrier, possibly referring to the Rivet City power source?
In this game you can already sell kids, now a kid saying a friend died, this was going to be darker, wish they went with this themes more, would give more realism to a wasteland
last rites makes sense as a funeral for dad, as dads vault suit is even a unique item in the game. So perhaps it would have been early designs of having that out and having a grave for the character.
I, I am blown away. This goes to show just what making a game is really like. Putting so many ideas in, then realizing you want something different and ripping up so much stuff to make the new things work. If there was anything I could keep. It'd be the Fawkes logs. At the very least. I know it's small. But It'd do a lot. The other one I'd go for is super mutant dad.
"Tranquility Lane is the seventh main quest." I had to actually look that up because it's been so long since I've actually done the main quest in order, that's crazy.
Not only are these video's extraordinarily well researched, they're also beautifully edited making them really fun to watch. I can say without a doubt I love this channel, keep up the good work man! Always love to see the cut content for my favorite Fallout game, can't believe Stacey was cut she sounded badass.
Considering all of the mods that restore cut content for New Vegas, I think Fallout 3 definitely deserves some content-restoring mods too. Well maybe not Fallout 3 itself, but rather Tale of Two Wastelands, which I think is the best way to play Fallout 3. 😁
The original idea of escaping vault 101 seemed so much more RPG like, why force a linear brute force sequence in a RPG? "because it's cool boom boom..." Bethesda have really lost touch with what RPG are supposed to be. Could have had cool options like provoking the radroach infestation for an easy escape with bad karma. Do various tasks for the technicians if you have science and repair or find some materials and escape through a forgotten hidden access. Get good karma for preventing the radroach infestation by doing dangerous maintenance repair Just forcing your way by killing the security officer that has the card and then fight your way out, if you befriend the tunnel snakes they would give you the baseball bat and some armour. Bad karma for being an ass Just use sneak to steal the card and bypass everyone, you get some extra valuables that you steal. Use speech to convince the security officer to give you the card and fight the last part, or even better, find some dark secrets of the overseer and then use speech to blackmail him and get out of the vault without any fight. All the different ways of leaving the vault would give you a unique perk that give you some unique bonuses and will make a difference for the quest when you come back to the vault.
I'm like 1,000,000% sure that Zax says something about getting info on the project from the large mainframe after we reboot/drain the room in the Jefferson Memorial.
I’m glad you talked about the “200 Endings” claim because that has driven me crazy for years! There are barely three endings in the game and apparently those few were late additions, so where does that number come from? Since we know for certain there were only 1-3 narrative endings planned during development, I think he meant something else by “endings.” If I had to guess, I think Todd Howard may have been talking about what images were shown during the ending narration. Maybe they were trying to implement a system to show the places you’ve been with a variety of possibilities based off of what you did, accounting for the 200 endings as combinations of images. I’m not saying anything for certain but I think it’s possible and that it was either cut, scaled back, or is just too nondescript to notice.
Hey in the last version of TTW (which is 3.3.1) restored the dialogue in "Waters of life" but it looks kind of janky because they're in there default positions with the rotunda closed and Doctor Li beside the panel (or could be a mod I installed if someone can confirm this I would appreciated) Edit: And they also added the holotapes of vault 87. When I did find one I was like "Wait a minute... this wasn't in the original FO 3..." and this video confirmed my suspicions
this is your best work yet i really love how much time and passion you have for this and it is the biggest reason for making the best fallout videos out there
I like the idea that the class stuff with mr brotch would have been "blah blah blah" if you had low inteligence, suggesting your character doesn't care about education and zones out in class. But maybe would have been full messages if you had higher inteligence?
Yeah the original darker version of 'father' 's destiny would have probably been more suited for fallout setting and definitely more interesting. Like bethesda has sometimes also interesting ideas, only that discards em for more tasteless ones.
It would almost be worth it to bring in that old development team and try and remember what they were going for then work to remake it with modern TEC. It’d be like a whole new game!!
11:30 I think it’s pretty obvious that this one was made as a placeholder or a far away version of rivet city as soon they found out that aircraft carriers aren’t as tall as skyscrapers and they aren’t that blocky.
The only thing really missing from Little Lamplight is the ability to remove the mayor's head from his shoulders. Possibly a mini-game where you desecrate his corpse afterwards too. Mods fixed the first part at least.
I might be remembering wrong. But I think they took that “steal the power from rivet city” concept and made it canon in fallout 4. I can’t remember if it was for L.P or for something else. I just remember the BoS raided it.
Posting all my thoughts on the topics as I go through to help the algorithm (excellent work as always my dude) Though I understand cutting down the intro for pacing reasons (the reactor objective seemed particularly unnecessary), the ability to have tangible gameplay choices in how you leave the vault would have done a lot to alleviate the biggest problem with the game in my opinion. That problem being the lack of multiple resolutions or avenues for player expression through choices and gameplay. The dialogue between dad and Li in the purifier was genuinely fantastic. My theory for why it was cut involves the door being open for the scene to play out, meaning a player could have theoretically soft locked themselves in the room. That and the room was reasonably crowded and gamebryo pathing around multiple NPCs looks silly at best. The battle for Rivet City would have been amazing as a fully fleshed out concept but considering how many sacrifices to make NVs Hoover dam even function or the number of bugs still littered around the liberty prime sequence it definitely was a smart choice to axe. Stacey would have gone a long way in humanizing the citizens of Lamplight. As it is it feels a bit too jokey for me and having that bit of grounding would have made that levity feel earned, as well as helping justify to the player why these children act like assholes to grown-ups. The voice acting for the audio director is genuinely quite good and having those logs would have put the vault on the level of vault 92 for me, a little additional context makes a series of murder tunnels far more engaging. While the idea of having dad be transformed and fight you is definitely a little cliche the whole story is full of them and with proper execution it could have been harrowing. It also could have given the player a personal motivation to accept the FEV from the Enclave beyond just being evil for its own sake. Again, fantastic stuff, this historical archiving is so important for video games and I look forward to seeing what you cover next
What bothers me about some of the goals of some of the vaults, like 101, is that, we know the effects lol we can model it and predict it. Vault tech was literally just a bunch of Dr. Frankensteins playing with humans like dolls.
My theory about that is they became so compartmentalised and secretive that nobody at Vault Tec really knew what each other was doing and in the process lost sight of the original plan. Crazy people getting approval to do Crazy things and the due to the secrecy the construction teams and engineers just did as they were told because the requisition orders were all stamped as official.
I absolutely love the music you use in the background of your videos. It really scratches that nostalgic itch. It goes so good with the videos. 👍 EDIT: Oh and if you ever put TriangleCity Ball Caps in your merch, I would love to buy one. 😁
I was gonna say Maybe oasis was meant to be explored as a means to figure out how they made a lush green forest magically appear in an irradiated wasteland. I could theorize that oasis was meant to have a G.E.C.K. instead of harold as its source for why it grows so well (since canonically the geck can do that) It couodve beena callback to fallout 1 where you can find a geck in multiple areas to bring back to vault 13 But who knows. All of that is theory and left on the "cutting room floor"
Seems Beth really wanted to go with the power source story. In Fallout 4, it is said the airship was built using Rivet Cities power source. As in, they went in, did not ask for it, and stripped the city of its power.
Todd Howard may have been talking about the ending slides. every choice changes an ending slide. you can have several play throughs and only do one thing different and the ending slides change. idk just a thought
Oh wow... the vault escape sequence being changed late explains why you can't tell your dad and Dr.Li that you left because the overseer was trying to kill you.
I remember finding this door on debit city and wondering where it lead too at 13 I k ew there was something lost to the cutting room floor. I loved climbing on stuff in fallout 2 and getting looks at cut content that still had evidence in game.
I feel like when Todd said 200 endings I think a programmer or coder told him they had made 200 scripts for the main quests and Todd probably thought that meant they finished 200 main quests with individual endings
I don’t know if someone else is already commented about this but there’s actually more endings than just those ones that mentioned in the video I have yet to confirm if they are only active if you have broken steel installed or not however if you have a companion character with you when you reach the purifier at the end of the game you also have the option to send a companion in which if you have fawks or the one Ghoul mercenary It’s possible to complete that final quest without anybody dying along with the unique dialogue from the ending but about how old in the end wastelands hero wasn’t the kid from vault 101 but made the right decision and not sacrificing a friend but making the right choice to save everyone…( but that’s also provided you didn’t use the FEV virus on the water purifier. )
I think the most compelling piece of evidence for your idea that the failed FEV experiment body in Vault 87 is the fact that it's still wearing a vault suit, even though all the residents died or were turned into mutants within the first year after the war.
4:10 - the game is written like you had a choice to leave and that you weren't being hunted and left to survive. I was replaying and was reminded that you have no way to explain to your dad that you left because he sent the entire vault on high alert and they were trying to kill you in retribution for hom running. You can tell him "fuck you" though, which us peak teenage angst
i'm pretty sure the 240 endings came from those small segments in the ending that apear depending on quests completed and choices, There's a total of 29 segments. Now all the different combinations of ending slides that could come up are what he refered to an "ending" in that interview. So one ending is when you do the main quest, sacrifing yourself, have blown up megaton, have returned the violin to Agatha. Haven't done the maths myself, but it's the kind of exponential grow that can give very big numbers from what are essentially slightly different versions of what is mostly the same ending.
Damn Emil Pagliarulo almost destoyed the fallout franchise years back, since when fallout didht have choices, since when fallout was about sacrifice, what a moron, we got really lucky that we got broken steel and the choice to put the FEV in Project Purity or even sacrificing Sarah and destroying the Citadel.
Seems to be a trend doesn't it? Main game has limited choices and then a DLC (Broken steel, Far Harbor, Wastelanders) comes in to provide a little of something that it could have been
Here it is, one of the longest videos I've ever made! This wouldn't have been possible without modder Roy Batty and most significantly, modder Ludo, who was the first to document the most esoteric information included in this video. He also looked through the 9000+ word script and gave me some much needed advice, so thank you so much dude! Also thank you guys for supporting my channel! If you'd like to support me and my art even further, check out my Patreon! 💙💙💙
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ty i enjoy falling asleep to these and rewatching later
Solid video as always. It's refreshing to see the weirdness cut from F3 for a change, so it was well worth all the hours this must've taken to edit.
Honestly the project purity scene hit home for me. He made up a task just so dr. Lee could live. I also really appreciate that they gave Liam Neeson more 'notes' than whoever voiced Lee. I wonder if that's the case for all of his dialogue? He's pretty high-profile, so I wouldnt be surprised that they were more careful with direction and scripts
Hearing who Fawkes was before they turned him into a Super Mutant is awesome. Idk why they would cut that.
Me either, it would've really improved Vault 87.
@@TriangleCity He already was the best companion, maybe they wanted to give the others a shot lol.
Reuniting with Fawkes outside Ravenrock is my favorite FO3 moment, I cried tears of joy when I saw him.
"My friend! I see I've found you at last!"
@@derain95 Oh my gosh, same!! I've been playing 3 again, and it made me cry again freeing Fawkes and then when he showed up at Raven Rock. I'm proud to have a Mucinex Muscle Man as my friend, along with my dog. Best two companions in the game. I wish Sarah Lyons could've been a companion, though.
I prefer Strong from Fallout 4 since you can have a funny optional conversation between the Sole Survivor, Strong, and Dr. Vergil about curing the FEV where Strong is seemingly terrified that Dr. Vergil will use the experimental serum on him instead and the Sole Survivor can either comfort him or tease him with a sarcastic response.
@@Jolis_Parsec I've never played Fallout 4, but I've researched a lot about the companions you can get in the game, and Strong is one I'd really like to experience if I ever pick up the game in the future.
I'm surprised they cut any of Liam Neeson's lines I bet he was the most expensive voice actor in the game
Especially with the importance of the lines they cut from him.
I mean the pay depends on if he's getting paid by line or by the amount of time needed
This is a habit of Bethesda's I've really disliked since they started with Patrick Stewart in Oblivion.
Celebrity voice actors are a pox, and maybe they could have hired more than six VAs if they weren't constantly hiring celebrities who probably cost more than the rest of the voice acting put together.
@@passingrando6457 The opening lines of Oblivion are memorable and epic. The issues with Va seemed to improve with each game. Skyrim had a lot more of them and I had no more issues with VA in Fallout 4.
@@KonniBel yes, and I'd have sacrificed that epic opening for a higher quality of voicing in the _rest of the game._ It's like getting an expensive appetizer and then leaving the restaurant to go eat fast food.
As for the rest, Skyrim still had only about 10 non-unique voice actors, after getting _multiple_ celebrities (Vlad Kullich was great as Ulfric, Max Von Sydow is great but was wasted as Esbern), and Fallout 4 karked up the entire dynamic dialogue system in favor of bootleg Mass Effect dialogue with a female main MC performing way below her normal skill and a male VA whose performance ranges from "bored" to "smoked enough weed to kill Seth Rogan".
Also, I forgot Sean Bean in Oblivion, who also did well, but not nearly enough to justify what his likely share of the voice budget was. At least Patrick Stewart knocked it out of the park, Bean was just "good".
Ah yes, i remember Liberty Prime saying "placeholder 10" through "placeholder 12" to send his enemies into fear of his awesome presence.
Man, you should give the eulogy at my funeral and end it with, "ultimately, his life was left, on the cutting room floor...." followed by your haunting outro music
Deal 😂💀
@@TriangleCity I'm serious man, lol. The way you frame your videos is intriguing. From the music, (stellar choice on the cowboy bebop ost, btw) to the in depth lore about not only the games themselves but the people who made these games. Your videos trigger a nostalgia something deep in my heart man....thanks for the great content. You are definitely up there with the nth apple as far as fallout goes in my book.
High praise my friend. Thank you so so much 💖
The whole Stacy and Caps plotline makes me so sad. Wish it wasn't cut. I like how dark fallout can be, and it would have make Little Lamplight a little more interesting
Yea cause that would have made little lamplight plausible as a thing, and not make your head scratch.
I'm a bit conflicted about the whole Super Mutant Dad thing. On the one hand, it would have been shocking and heartbreaking, which would have made it more memorable. On the other hand, I like that we get to spend some time with him before his death, and the Enclave being responsible gives us more motivations to stop them.
Imagine if they could've done both. That would've been quite a shock and made the Enclave more despicable than they are now.
To be fair, the Enclave aren’t really responsible for his death. He straight up murder suicides. Not that it really matters, the entire narrative is a mess.
@@zanard33 It wouldve been interesting to see mutant dad in Raven Rock at some point, but im glad they cut it. It would’ve been weird.
I dunno, mutant dad sounds corny. Trying a bit too hard to make you feel. As jank as the game is, it would be even sillier to feel for it. The game already has enough goofiness in it, intentional or not.
"A close friend turned into a beast" feels like a trope to the point of being a cliche. It's good that we got a story, where you get to just find the person you're looking for and work with them for some time.
I am currently in TTW now and I feel that Fallout 3's quests are fewer, but feels like they could've been more. Besides, ending Lesko and Roy Phillips in spite of the supposed 'bad karma' never gets old.
yeah after playing new vegas fo3 dlcs really feel like theyre missing something, like intros
@@twistedbetrayal7234 the DLCs of Fallout 3 kinda blend into the gameplay to give a more full game. in New Vegas the DLCs are more like chapters that are contained to their own things
@@Pwnopolis even though, they had the assets from the end and beginning of fo3 to make the slideshows before they made the dlcs, so its probably just design choice
@@Pwnopolis I'll give you hindsight, but they had four years total and the army Bethesda was able to muster & pay whatever it took, they got Liam Neeson ffs, vs Vegas being made on chump change at a breakneck dev time. I think people fanboy over NV way too much & I personally enjoy F3 as much, but Bethesda not making as fleshed out quests compared to a company who had no clue how to even work the engine is inexcusable. not even mentioning the fact that Bethesda's entire catalog and entire wheelhouse has been quests in the style presented in F3
@@IlyaSPARTAN108 that's due to design decisions. i'm not sure if it was Sawyer or Avellone but the design team ultimately decided that the DLC questlines shouldn't affect the main game's worldspace which is why NV DLC's are self contained stories
The story of Caps is heartbreaking. Really would have made little lamplight feel more personal and real, shame it was cut.
I think the reason they made the Citadel so small on the map is twofold: 1, to give the illusion that the world is bigger than it actually is and 2, so that the location wouldn't bring so much attention to itself so that the player wouldn't immediatly just go to the place before they needed to.
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54:52 I always presumed TH just meant there are 200+ possible combinations of all the ending slides
That has to be the answer, especially given his description of the way things "tweak" the ending (e.g. slides for Agatha's Song and Head of State). He's definitely telling a half-truth in that there are around 110 total slides (separated into several segments) in the base game's ending slideshow, so accounting for all the combinations of slides could lead to over 200 discrete 'endings', even if in reality it's just 3 versions of the same ending.
i think so too. remember, if you outright wipe out a bunch of settlements and their population, then the ending slides will depict those acts with the protagonist walking through the settlements surrounded by corpses. so there's definitely very many different combination of slides that can come up, it's just that as a whole they don't really mean much.
I always thought it was obvious he was referencing that, still sounds bad without context, but it is not hard to grasp really
Controlling Liberty Prime would have been a performance nightmare...but so was walking behind him, watching him walking in the river or double back constantly, having the animation that was supposed to disable the forcefield not activate, which necessitated multiple reloads or manually spawning him next to each forcefield until the damned quest marker was reached.
I never had Liberty Prime bug out that much.
@@0Synergy Apparently the quest glitches far more if a specific BoS NPC has be killed, something to do with the scripting.
@@MediumRareOpinions huh weird, played through the game tons of times never had that issue pop up.
@@0Synergy occassionally ive had Liberty Prime just refuse to walk forwards and cause me to get stuck during the battle.
@@LucyWest370 ye I believe you its just iv never had a Liberty Prime bug
I feel like Last Rites might have been an epilogue involving perhaps a funeral for James once that the Jefferson Memorial was secured, where the Lone Wanderer and Dr. Li give him a proper funeral after initially leaving his body behind during the escape from the Enclave. It could have been scrapped when they made the decision for the Lone Wanderer to ultimately die at the end of the story.
I really like that idea. Really bothered me that James' body was disposed like that.
Or it could have also been the player's own funeral that was supposed to be shown in an ingame cinematic where the player controls were disabled.
Holy hell alot of this stuff would make Fallout 3's main quest SO much more emotionally engaging and RPG-like
Your channel is a timeless curation of these amazing games
Thank you so much dude! 😭😭😭
Hey'a, just wanted to mention that one of those cut Vault 87 terminal entries wasn't entirely cut. Well, it was cut from 87, but ended up used in Tranquility Lane.
The entry that talks about the abilities and technological marvels inside the GECK, explaining how advanced it is- it can be found as a log inside Braun's personal Tranquility Lane computer, which you can only access as the "failsafe" option in the simulation.
"Cut down due to ambition" pretty much describes the entire FO3 experience. When looking at concept art for this game (as well as Skyrim) there's just so much that would've made it even better!
Emila is probably the reason half of the cut content was cut to make the fo3 better
@@joeyreidelbach5509 that didn’t help very much tbh, the game as a whole is a train wreck
@@EmperorAmbrose funny how subways are really needed to navigate the capitol itself especially in the core of it.
@@luigimrlgaming9484 yeah the best thing to do is to get a ghoul mask to be honest then you can do whatever you want. Like I always start up fallout three play operation anchorage get the armor and gear then do tenpenny Tower get the mask then I run to Rivet city
@@EmperorAmbroseoh hey it’s the cringelord. Your face is a Trainwreck 😐
I wonder if the "240 endings" thing refers to the total number of combinations of ending slides and voiced descriptions of the player? That still seems like a lot but when he said the part about "if you do this or not this, you'd get this other tweak to the ending," it seems to suggest something like that might be the case. Plus it would make sense that they had 60 total combinations before deciding to add an entire other slide with 4 variations to multiply it to 240.
Regardless, it still seems like a ton and I don't even know that it's possible that there are 240 different end slide/VA combinations currently, but lean towards there not being that many.
Yeah, I always thought this was pretty obvious.
No yea they lied
Another classic example of Bethesda stretching the truth
Yeah I always assumed that as well.
Just another Bethesda and Todd Howard lie, pretending they can write or produce anything of any quality.
Awn man, the original Vault 101 escape seemed more interesting than what we got. More RPG-like.
The original is also very rpg like.
10 bucks says that Emil thought it wasn't "cool enough" or something
You spelled "immersive sim" wrong. God what I wouldn't give for a true immersive sim in the fallout universe. Although Fallout New Vegas is pretty damn close.
@@scarlettNET Knowing him, this wouldn't surprise me. God I hate that man.
I agree, it does sound more interesting--but I could also see a story-related dilemma involved, too. Namely what TriangleCity noted: without the sense of urgency, it wouldn't feel like there's as much of a reason to actually leave the Vault. Going off-topic a bit, but it's kind of the problem I had with New Vegas with the whole Platinum Chip/hunt Benny plot of the first part, in that it felt like it required me to have a frothing-at-the-mouth revenge motive for advancing the story when I just survived by such a freak series of coincidences that it could only be called a miracle! Even the terms of the Mojave Express requiring their Couriers to retrieve lost and/or stolen property felt flimsy and tacked-on as a means of filling the plot hole. Still feel it's a good game, even it does get over-hyped.
The immediate hostility between Dad and the Enclave at project purity always suggested they already knew each other. Otherwise, it would have been much simpler for the Enclave to fool him by posing as benevolent government taking over because of their superior ressources and technology.
Living in a post-nuclear holocaust society where there has not been a goverment for generations and finding the enclave would be the most suspicious thing ever
Wasn't there a line/note in Fallout 4 which indicates that Brotherhood took a power source for the Prydwen airship from an old aircraft carrier, possibly referring to the Rivet City power source?
There is indeed, it doesn't specify but it does mention the salvage operation taking place.
@@MediumRareOpinions Iirc it's the remnants of the enclave land crawler
@@Vatrien the terminal (I think it was) specifically mentions an aircraft carrier. The Enclave crawler doesn't really fit that bill
In this game you can already sell kids, now a kid saying a friend died, this was going to be darker, wish they went with this themes more, would give more realism to a wasteland
I wish you could wipe out Little Lamplight. That place is so obnoxious to get through.
having Stacy and caps cut is some really nice world building lost
yeah
The FEV water being enclave's original plan makes much more sense when the project purity team refuses the enclave and the bos going after then
last rites makes sense as a funeral for dad, as dads vault suit is even a unique item in the game. So perhaps it would have been early designs of having that out and having a grave for the character.
"Last rites" feels like it would been a cut quest about putting Sarah Lyon's to rest if you had her sacrifice herself to activate the purifier.
Hilarious how much Fallout 3’s story reads like the adventures of Dad when you break it down like this
Adventures of Dad and the wacky mess he left when he left for the second time 😉
i love the idea of the enclave attacking Rivet City and taking control over it
I, I am blown away. This goes to show just what making a game is really like. Putting so many ideas in, then realizing you want something different and ripping up so much stuff to make the new things work.
If there was anything I could keep. It'd be the Fawkes logs. At the very least. I know it's small. But It'd do a lot. The other one I'd go for is super mutant dad.
"Tranquility Lane is the seventh main quest."
I had to actually look that up because it's been so long since I've actually done the main quest in order, that's crazy.
16:02 theres a women in Raven Rock that used to work with James, theres a dialog option to yell at her for betraying your dad. Thats probably how.
This is my favourite game of all time, I wish they remaster it one day with maybe even include this cut content.
Your wish has been granted
We call that game fallout 4. It didn’t do too well…
Remasters only improve graphics and performance, a remake would be more suitable if we want all the cut stuff
Not only are these video's extraordinarily well researched, they're also beautifully edited making them really fun to watch. I can say without a doubt I love this channel, keep up the good work man! Always love to see the cut content for my favorite Fallout game, can't believe Stacey was cut she sounded badass.
Considering all of the mods that restore cut content for New Vegas, I think Fallout 3 definitely deserves some content-restoring mods too. Well maybe not Fallout 3 itself, but rather Tale of Two Wastelands, which I think is the best way to play Fallout 3. 😁
Fallout 3 Remake
I yearn the day where you will cover fallout 4 as that game has the most interesting cut content
My next video will be on FNV again, but I think the following video will be my first on Fallout 4 because of the recent poll results :)
@@TriangleCity I imagine the NV well must be running so dry by now, it's got Twisted Hairs
Yeah there's only a few videos left
@@TriangleCity will you ever make a video on old world blues or lonesome road
I will! Old World Blues will be my next long video most likely!
The original idea of escaping vault 101 seemed so much more RPG like, why force a linear brute force sequence in a RPG? "because it's cool boom boom..." Bethesda have really lost touch with what RPG are supposed to be.
Could have had cool options like provoking the radroach infestation for an easy escape with bad karma.
Do various tasks for the technicians if you have science and repair or find some materials and escape through a forgotten hidden access. Get good karma for preventing the radroach infestation by doing dangerous maintenance repair
Just forcing your way by killing the security officer that has the card and then fight your way out, if you befriend the tunnel snakes they would give you the baseball bat and some armour. Bad karma for being an ass
Just use sneak to steal the card and bypass everyone, you get some extra valuables that you steal.
Use speech to convince the security officer to give you the card and fight the last part, or even better, find some dark secrets of the overseer and then use speech to blackmail him and get out of the vault without any fight.
All the different ways of leaving the vault would give you a unique perk that give you some unique bonuses and will make a difference for the quest when you come back to the vault.
That would've been really cool
Maybe limitations
@@DirtyGeorge Yeah, limitations on the part of Bugthesdas creativity.
I think they just wanted the entirety of Vault 101 to be a tutorial with few player-driven variables.
I'm like 1,000,000% sure that Zax says something about getting info on the project from the large mainframe after we reboot/drain the room in the Jefferson Memorial.
Wow! The evacuation of Rivet City would have been incredible. Awesome video, TC!!
I’m glad you talked about the “200 Endings” claim because that has driven me crazy for years! There are barely three endings in the game and apparently those few were late additions, so where does that number come from? Since we know for certain there were only 1-3 narrative endings planned during development, I think he meant something else by “endings.”
If I had to guess, I think Todd Howard may have been talking about what images were shown during the ending narration. Maybe they were trying to implement a system to show the places you’ve been with a variety of possibilities based off of what you did, accounting for the 200 endings as combinations of images. I’m not saying anything for certain but I think it’s possible and that it was either cut, scaled back, or is just too nondescript to notice.
Hey in the last version of TTW (which is 3.3.1) restored the dialogue in "Waters of life" but it looks kind of janky because they're in there default positions with the rotunda closed and Doctor Li beside the panel (or could be a mod I installed if someone can confirm this I would appreciated)
Edit: And they also added the holotapes of vault 87. When I did find one I was like "Wait a minute... this wasn't in the original FO 3..." and this video confirmed my suspicions
It most likely is ttw. Ttw adds a bit of cut content.
this is your best work yet i really love how much time and passion you have for this and it is the biggest reason for making the best fallout videos out there
Pretty sure by "over 200 endings" they mean "over 200 possible combinations of narrated ending slides", which is probably in the game to some degree.
Excited. Seems like you haven’t posted cut content in a while.
I like the idea that the class stuff with mr brotch would have been "blah blah blah" if you had low inteligence, suggesting your character doesn't care about education and zones out in class. But maybe would have been full messages if you had higher inteligence?
@@LoverOfManyArts how?
Thank you for putting in so much work for us to have such great content to watch. You are truly under appreciated.
TriangleCity always has 100% success… in creating awesome videos! (And probably in VATS too)
When I see his videos come up it’s an instant “thumbs up” because I know it will be good
I'm glad you covered the endings, clarification was definitely needed (TOOOOODDDD!!!!).
Yeah the original darker version of 'father' 's destiny would have probably been more suited for fallout setting and definitely more interesting. Like bethesda has sometimes also interesting ideas, only that discards em for more tasteless ones.
A one hour video? Thank you so much.
"Over 200 hundred endings. That is not an exaggeration" - Hodd Toward
You just made me want to play Fallout 3 for the first time in YEARS, currently installing on my Xbox
I'm so excited, thank you Triangle City!
Man, Dr. Li's voice actress is so good. That line at the Citadel always gets me
It would almost be worth it to bring in that old development team and try and remember what they were going for then work to remake it with modern TEC. It’d be like a whole new game!!
obsidian are doing it in secret id say late 23
11:30 I think it’s pretty obvious that this one was made as a placeholder or a far away version of rivet city as soon they found out that aircraft carriers aren’t as tall as skyscrapers and they aren’t that blocky.
The only thing really missing from Little Lamplight is the ability to remove the mayor's head from his shoulders. Possibly a mini-game where you desecrate his corpse afterwards too.
Mods fixed the first part at least.
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I kinda like McCready, hes funny
A. That’s not canon
B. If they did that then they would under Lawsuit Bombardment.
I might be remembering wrong. But I think they took that “steal the power from rivet city” concept and made it canon in fallout 4. I can’t remember if it was for L.P or for something else. I just remember the BoS raided it.
Posting all my thoughts on the topics as I go through to help the algorithm (excellent work as always my dude)
Though I understand cutting down the intro for pacing reasons (the reactor objective seemed particularly unnecessary), the ability to have tangible gameplay choices in how you leave the vault would have done a lot to alleviate the biggest problem with the game in my opinion. That problem being the lack of multiple resolutions or avenues for player expression through choices and gameplay.
The dialogue between dad and Li in the purifier was genuinely fantastic. My theory for why it was cut involves the door being open for the scene to play out, meaning a player could have theoretically soft locked themselves in the room. That and the room was reasonably crowded and gamebryo pathing around multiple NPCs looks silly at best.
The battle for Rivet City would have been amazing as a fully fleshed out concept but considering how many sacrifices to make NVs Hoover dam even function or the number of bugs still littered around the liberty prime sequence it definitely was a smart choice to axe.
Stacey would have gone a long way in humanizing the citizens of Lamplight. As it is it feels a bit too jokey for me and having that bit of grounding would have made that levity feel earned, as well as helping justify to the player why these children act like assholes to grown-ups.
The voice acting for the audio director is genuinely quite good and having those logs would have put the vault on the level of vault 92 for me, a little additional context makes a series of murder tunnels far more engaging.
While the idea of having dad be transformed and fight you is definitely a little cliche the whole story is full of them and with proper execution it could have been harrowing. It also could have given the player a personal motivation to accept the FEV from the Enclave beyond just being evil for its own sake.
Again, fantastic stuff, this historical archiving is so important for video games and I look forward to seeing what you cover next
What bothers me about some of the goals of some of the vaults, like 101, is that, we know the effects lol we can model it and predict it. Vault tech was literally just a bunch of Dr. Frankensteins playing with humans like dolls.
My theory about that is they became so compartmentalised and secretive that nobody at Vault Tec really knew what each other was doing and in the process lost sight of the original plan.
Crazy people getting approval to do Crazy things and the due to the secrecy the construction teams and engineers just did as they were told because the requisition orders were all stamped as official.
Please take my like in advance, seeing a new TriangleCity video pop up makes me happy :) Thanks for all the great content!
Great video Triangle! Always appreciate your hard work and dedication!
Oh hell yeah, I’m here as always for this!
I absolutely love the music you use in the background of your videos. It really scratches that nostalgic itch. It goes so good with the videos. 👍 EDIT: Oh and if you ever put TriangleCity Ball Caps in your merch, I would love to buy one. 😁
Thank you so much dude! I love music and try to inject that into my videos :))
I love your channel and seeing such a long upload is amazing, your videos accomany me during work days :)
It’s crazy to think even the smallest details coulda had the coolest impact or just more immersive.. Bethesda cuts to much cool shit
having liberty prime be the players gundam? we missed out on that one
I love your vids so much always so detailed yet intriguing and never boring
Been excited for this one to come out
Thank you for your tremendous work, top tier Fallout content!
The 240 endings part is certainly a endings variation that Fallout 2 had, where all major decisions were described and what were the results of it
I wish we could have gone into the Whitehouse or at least a bunker inside the house.
I was gonna say
Maybe oasis was meant to be explored as a means to figure out how they made a lush green forest magically appear in an irradiated wasteland.
I could theorize that oasis was meant to have a G.E.C.K. instead of harold as its source for why it grows so well (since canonically the geck can do that)
It couodve beena callback to fallout 1 where you can find a geck in multiple areas to bring back to vault 13
But who knows. All of that is theory and left on the "cutting room floor"
Seems Beth really wanted to go with the power source story. In Fallout 4, it is said the airship was built using Rivet Cities power source. As in, they went in, did not ask for it, and stripped the city of its power.
Woot Woot. Your are appriciated my friend.
That earlier vault escape sequence would have been awesome and something more appropriate to Fallout, as an RPG. It is a dang shame that got cut.
Todd Howard may have been talking about the ending slides. every choice changes an ending slide. you can have several play throughs and only do one thing different and the ending slides change. idk just a thought
Can't wait for Cut Content on Fallout 3's DLCs 👍
Or the cut dc areas.
Great vid as always Triangle!
Oh wow... the vault escape sequence being changed late explains why you can't tell your dad and Dr.Li that you left because the overseer was trying to kill you.
I never thought of that.
If the game was bigger, there definitely would’ve been a battle to take back rivet city from the enclave too
I’m like “Stacey was definitely in Little Lamplight when I played” then I remember I was using the unofficial patch.
I remember finding this door on debit city and wondering where it lead too at 13 I k ew there was something lost to the cutting room floor. I loved climbing on stuff in fallout 2 and getting looks at cut content that still had evidence in game.
Wow I meant 3 not 2 hahahaha
Amazing game, keep playing it again and again, wish they kept some of these in the base game though, is there any cut content in the DLC's?
There's a lot of cut content in the DLCs
@@TriangleCity theres a lot of content in all the Fallout games.
Amazing work as always
Thanks. Learned a bunch of new stuff.
48:30 is that the same sound effect later used for garage doors in Fallout 4?
I think it might be.
Similarly you sacrifice yourself or the general or do nothing and let the Vault 0 become useless in Fallout Tactics.
I didn't think about that, but yeah those endings are pretty similar in retrospect
27:03 FTL music?? In a fallout video??? I’m in love.
I love FTL :)
You can avoid combat altogether when escaping the vault. You just run past everyone, you don't have to fight the guards at all.
I feel like when Todd said 200 endings I think a programmer or coder told him they had made 200 scripts for the main quests and Todd probably thought that meant they finished 200 main quests with individual endings
Ok I've caught up enough in the main quest to remember the end. Now I can watch without spoilers.
Lol I finished 3 DLCs before going to rivet city
I don’t know if someone else is already commented about this but there’s actually more endings than just those ones that mentioned in the video I have yet to confirm if they are only active if you have broken steel installed or not however if you have a companion character with you when you reach the purifier at the end of the game you also have the option to send a companion in which if you have fawks or the one Ghoul mercenary It’s possible to complete that final quest without anybody dying along with the unique dialogue from the ending but about how old in the end wastelands hero wasn’t the kid from vault 101 but made the right decision and not sacrificing a friend but making the right choice to save everyone…( but that’s also provided you didn’t use the FEV virus on the water purifier. )
You couldn't send companions into the purifier chamber in the original release. All of that was added in Broken Steel.
@@TriangleCity I figured that was the case thank you for replying as that was quite kind of you !
There's this mod out there called Tale of two wastelands which combines new vegas and fallout 3, and it restores a good bunch of these cut features.
I think the most compelling piece of evidence for your idea that the failed FEV experiment body in Vault 87 is the fact that it's still wearing a vault suit, even though all the residents died or were turned into mutants within the first year after the war.
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4:10 - the game is written like you had a choice to leave and that you weren't being hunted and left to survive. I was replaying and was reminded that you have no way to explain to your dad that you left because he sent the entire vault on high alert and they were trying to kill you in retribution for hom running. You can tell him "fuck you" though, which us peak teenage angst
i'm pretty sure the 240 endings came from those small segments in the ending that apear depending on quests completed and choices, There's a total of 29 segments. Now all the different combinations of ending slides that could come up are what he refered to an "ending" in that interview. So one ending is when you do the main quest, sacrifing yourself, have blown up megaton, have returned the violin to Agatha. Haven't done the maths myself, but it's the kind of exponential grow that can give very big numbers from what are essentially slightly different versions of what is mostly the same ending.
Damn Emil Pagliarulo almost destoyed the fallout franchise years back, since when fallout didht have choices, since when fallout was about sacrifice, what a moron, we got really lucky that we got broken steel and the choice to put the FEV in Project Purity or even sacrificing Sarah and destroying the Citadel.
Seems to be a trend doesn't it? Main game has limited choices and then a DLC (Broken steel, Far Harbor, Wastelanders) comes in to provide a little of something that it could have been
Love these videos of one of my all time favourite games.