The "not greeted with four arms" comment was more likely a "we don't fully trust Variks but he's the best person we have for the situation" declaration.
Embraced* not greeted but ye, not necessarily a trust thing. Docking (not the human kind, the Eliksni kind) is done for various reasons: to conserve/ration ether supplies or as a symbol of status (or lack there-of, less arms = lower caste... look up what dreg means because it has real-world use). It can also be a form of punishment. Considering Variks's past, my bet is either he was punished with docking being the punishment (and possibly burned to prevent regrowth).
I remember them saying this act was going to have a 'vampire hunting horror feel' in the Episodes reveal presentation thing they did. I'm not getting that at all so far. To say the story is thin this season is an understatement. I wasn't crazy about Echoes but the story there felt considerably more fleshed out.
Theres just no vampire theme at all. They all still look like bloated corpses. And I'm not saying they have to be victorian posh little aristocrats. They couldve easily sticked to the actual myths. You know, long fingernails as talons, maybe even the boneless ones or those that can turn into any animal that jumped over their grave. I'd settle for making them look like pale Eliksni
Yeah season of the hunt had actual hunts, an activity format i quite enjoyed, yet they haven’t even bothered to try make some souped-up version of the hunting from back then. The fact they talked about the aesthetic vampire shit so much and literally nothing about this season is like that is so lame.
I like how in the reveal they also showed the cutscene with wormhods and said that we'll be monster hunters. Getting my hopes up for hunting wormgods and huge monsters inside a Fikrul controlled scorn castle... But we got nothing
the story is thin because they finally gave the people what they were asking for and havent timegated it. i genuinely believe that even with fairly obnoxious padding out, the story would be much stronger (though still not up to snuff compared to previous ones)
Honestly could have changed the scorn a bit more design wise and done stuff like: Scorn draining ether and turning some into vampires, a high value target with a group of scorn that resurrects them which means you have to kill it first I could think of a bunch of ideas, just feels like they overpromised and differed slightly to the marketing team. Also the armour looks really eh and could have been way more gritty / van helsing
Definitely needed a “Best DLC of the year” added to the game awards. Shadow of the Erdtree would obviously win over anything else, but it would at least allow other games to be nominated for GoTY and include FS as a nominee somewhere.
Wouldn’t allow ‘other games’ plural, as it would just have swapped out for something else but I agree with Datto’s, if it’s the single best game content of the year why wouldn’t it deserve to win. I don’t believe it should, but I think it qualifies if other game studios can’t beat a dlc.
I'm glad that Datto called out at 16:55 that the Prison of Elders has Pyramid structures and tech, for no reason. However, how did he not call out that the WARDEN is still around, even though we killed it in a strike 6 YEARS AGO?
If I had to take a guess... Maybe it's a backup of the 'Warden Program', just downloaded into a new servitor? That might explain how deteriorated and psychotic it is. While it was dying in the strike, it made a backup of its memories, to save for the future, because it enjoys messing with us? "You're my favorite" voice line seems to mean that it remembers us.
Its possible that Pyramid architecture appeared simply because of the Dread, when looking at the walls you can see it coming through it, as though it bursted from it or was melded to it. Similar things happened in the past whenever the Witness would spread it's influence, as things would turn to Darkness or it's aesthetic would appear
@@mrsmi1ey Yeah but then theres Lore stating Servitors are harder to come by with Guardians destroying them. Or the Scorn. Or even Eramis. Only Sepiks ever came back
People can't go play old D2 to realize how dumb it is to say those times were better. They also can't come to terms with the reality that the game is the best it's ever been and it's their own burnout that's making them not enjoy it
“Do not cite the deep magic to me” But yeah curse really wasn’t all that. I remember the vibes being good for me because I still didn’t know much about the world, so there was this air of mystery. But gameplay wise was just meh, and I think the only piece of loot I ever used from the whole thing was the mercury prophetic shader.
So they've set up the echo looking for a new host, which they're totally either gonna give it to Mithrax to heal him or... give it to Eramis to redeem her... I hate the second option.
They've been trying to redeem her for a while at this point lol. Plunder she was talking with Eido helping her iirc? Seraph she was already depressed that the witness played her and reanimated the corpses of her people. The ending she was clearly doubting the decision to nuke traveler and only done so because of fear+copium witness won't continue using her friends. Defiance she literally warned you of the trap that got Amanda killed, then shielded Mithrax from the blast from the cave or something. Then there's some further lore somewhat recently about her being continously down and not wanting all this violence anymore. There's probably something I missed
Or, hear me out, we give it to Mithrax to heal him, but instead it ends up empowering Nezarec, who takes over Mithrax's body fully AND now has the power of an echo.
I'd actually like your take, who have we actually redeemed? The closest we have had is Crow even though he really never needed redemption since he is a different person from Uldren, but Savvy is very much not friendly. Mithrax technically was never our enemy when we first met him, Drifter has always been Anti-Hero. Eramis getting actually getting some kind of redemption, which I think at best will be Drifter-esc Anti Hero, would only have been the second one we have gotten
Me when the Refugee warlord could theoretically be forgiven and pardoned for her many many crimes. I don't feel particularly strong about it. I think it's an interesting prospect though. I do hope that whatever path they choose it's executed well.
In the Curse of Osiris discussion another point to bring up is price per promise. Curse of Osiris was promised to be a standard DLC and priced as one, where seasons/episodes are promised as smaller stories and being priced much less.
This. I think the major change is that we know what the range is for a mid year content drop and more accurately compare those older dlcs to seasons or episodes rather than major expansions. If we got something warmind level and it was priced like an episode, that'd be better than an episode imo
It's alright, we'll circle back to this discussion when the inevitable outrage comes and Frontiers drops, it'll be $100+ for year of Destiny, DLCs are $50 each, and we realize there's even way *less* content than what we had for a year's worth of Destiny and people will be rightfully annoyed that a minimal QOL fixes of something that would've been nice 10 years ago hyped as a big expansion feature isn't going to cut it. Remember when they actually hyped up the system of Guardian Ranks for TFS as some big fix to the onboarding problem? They acted like new people would look for mentorship by people's commendation scores and Guardian Rank, as if people even spend that much time interacting in the already limited social space.
With the Curse of Osiris side of things, it sounds dope as a seasonal concept, because it was a current season sized expansion. Ofc as you said people were angry back in Curse because the state of the game, but right now it would fit way more as a seasonal model with a release calendar stuck to it. So that we can actually play the whole story but core activites/side content of the season would be released through out the episode.
Well with Curse we got about a 5 hour campaign "new" destination 1 Raid 2 Strikes 3 Crucible maps And many weapons I really wouldn't compare two, it was a low point but even than we actually got other content besides the campaign. Though I do think infinite forest really lends itself to the rogue like content bungie has been pushing since into the light. You got some conversations in Curse but not as bad as past seasons. Most of the seasonal content is just replaying content, or old content to unlock this weeks twist.
@@GainingDespair Ye, but you gotta consider the duration of an episode and content releases in it. Im not saying that we should get a whole new raid for it every episode that releases. But at the same time look at Eater of Worlds, that shit is comparable to an actual seasonal activity nowadays. We are still getting "strikes" in form of battlegrounds, and now onslaught maps. Crucible maps are being released as map packs and were kinda ignored in other releases as well, not saying every release, but some.
@@grompgames4409 Yeah I'm not saying they are the same in that respect, just seasonal content tends to be a lot of listening to conversations, and walking to check points followed by replaying old content. True they do release old seasonal missions as strikes now but personally I do not consider that a positive aspect. The game is grindy as is, I really just go to strike when I don't want to play seasonal content. Last thing I wish to see is old seasonal content I already dislike with a passion. Expansions have always progressed the story/world story of the game, seasonal content is designed to be disposable with more lore building than anything. Bungie can't afford to make dramatic changes in seasonal content as (at least by player numbers) roughly 3x more players buy expansions compared to seasonal content. Can't have a dramatic shift in story if only 30% of the player base ever engages with the content, so its designed to be less impactful. Which is one of my largest complaints nothing meaningful really happens in a season which can't be summarized in a 15 min Byf video.
The reason people dropped off of curse was because there was no loot and nothing to do. I enjoyed the story for both curse and wartime and remember it fairly well.
@haydenw7981 I don't disagree at all, Ketchcrash was the high point of Plunder, I just can't help but be like "is this Ketchcrash?" every time I run this thing.
@@insomniaddictesphard disagree. Ketchcrash was very fun, especially on legend. Expeditions was the piece of seasonal content from plunder that sucked. Don’t get me wrong plunder was VERY lackluster but ketchcrash was not bad at all.
with the curse of Osiris comment i also think the fact that it was being sold as a full dlc and not a season plays a part in why people were upset with what it was. peoples expectations for how much content was going to be added to the game (based on previous dlcs) were bigger than what was actual given.
The good thing about the tonics isn't the volatile ones, it's the resource tonics. You can have one active for a specific drop no matter what activity you are doing. Seasonal weapons while farming the new dungeon, for example.
I liked this acts story up until the end, the return to the prison was good, the story mission was great, skolas coming back was cool, the stylized cutscene was interesting. But that ending took me completely out of it, why are we doing it, it’s completely out of character. It’d make much more sense for eido to do it not us
I mean, I guess it depends on what you consider out of character for a blank slate. Given the fact that the Guardian has been downing dubious tonics for Eido without a second thought, I think freeing someone who voluntarily got herself into jail in the first place + we've beaten several times isn't necessarily a wild thing to do
My thing with the "it's cheaper to do the holoprojector" argument is like... so? Why should I give a shit about that? It'd be even cheaper to just replace them all with text, why not just do that if "it costs us less money" is a valid defense of doing something that sucks. If it is *economically unfeasible* for you to rig a couple characters to stand around for a minute 4 or 5 times every couple months, that's your problem but we are still allowed to say that the solution is not a good user experience.
Maybe the CoO structure could maybe work if they're used exclusively for Seasonal/Episode stories, I wasn't around during Warmind/CoO so I have no clue if the structure was terrible in execution but it doesn't sound like a terrible idea for smaller scale stuff like this
They were fine (not great) when looked at during the Forsaken era and beyond. But the state of the game was so horrible at the time and Curse did nothing to fix it. It was the equivalent of Season of Plunder, not a terrible dlc on its own but suffered massively from state of the game at the time and as such every misstep looks much worse. It’s honestly the same with this episode. It’s actually pretty decent all things considered and the new activities are good. More Onslaught, Tomb of Elders being one of the best 3-man activities in ages, and an actual integration of story elements built up since House of Wolves and finally providing a conclusion for all of this buildup of Fallen / Scorn story. But since it’s been told in the season without Timegating the realistic size of its content is shown, the weapons aren’t craftable because of an experiment being done by Bungie and perk weighting controversy, etc. So much is working against this episode that it’s getting buried under that people can’t enjoy it for what it is. But yeah Curse and especially Warmind were actually quite decent, just given at the worst time possible and having to fit into a system which people don’t like. It’s a never ending cycle unfortunately with this game where content can only be so good because of limitations in dev cycles and state of the game / development. It’s a shame.
Ok, here’s my theory… I think Eido dies, either by Fikrul or Eramis hand. Then she gets resurrected as the first light bearing Eliksni. This resurrection and her new found power, draws the echo to her. If it was Fikrul that killed her, then she delivers the final blow to him, if it was Eramis, she spares her. Then she uses the echo to cure Mithrax. Because she’s a guardian now, the Eliksni see her as “having communion or recognition from the traveler” and she’s anointed ‘Kell of Kells’. Being resurrected as a guardian and being anointed Kell of Kells combined with the fact that, if it was Eramis who killed Eido and Eido didn’t retaliate, brings Eramis to our side (or more specifically the non combatant side) finally. Of course, the biggest plot hole in all of this is the fact that once resurrected Eido wouldn’t have any memories of being Eido… 🤷
in times of destiny content drout, i appreciate these fun little videos of you playing the story beats as they come out! hopefully they end up performing well enough to continue or theyre easy enough to produce cuz im always down for more datto👍
That last bit about Fikrul and Skolas escaping... youve got a point... they couldve directed that scene like the post-Witness fight in TFS where the fireteam just runs away from the baddie. Wouldve been cool to run away from undying waves of Scorn with like scary lights if they wanted the Vampire vibe thing.
I think the CoO model would actually work now because people didn't like the gutted gameplay in Y1 of D2 but CoO did have a good, unique narrative. I think what most of us ultimately want are unique story missions, whether it's weekly or all at once
39:42 The problem with curse of Osiris was that it was a DLC, not just a season. For a DLC it was incredibly small, but for a season, that format would work much better.
The reason Final Shape feels like a year old is because, despite the content we are getting with Episodes, the episodes themselves seem to just drag on. I still love the story (even if Echoes ending was a big wtf), weapons, armor and characters but Episodes feel sooo much longer then they are.
Gotta be honest I had no idea contest of elders had an end, I think I probably left really close to the end. I joined in progress and when it looped other players were leaving and joining, I just thought it was infinite. Oops. Bungie should probably make that more clear?
Earning tonics wasn't explained well. You have to keep crafting lower tonics to earn higher ones. The legendary ones are helpful and, since they last 60 minutes, aren't as tedious to use. That does leave you with tons of tonics that you'll never use. You're able to turn in them in at Eido for items and rep but that's only one or two kinds per day. I enjoy the system. Gives you a controllable boost to gameplay and you can continue progressing the grind for seasonal weapons even while doing other activities. Bungie just needed to communicate the benefits better
Its insane to me that that was supposed to be 3 weeks worth of content and I knocked it out in a couple hours. I really want to enjoy this game again but they're making it so hard.
@OliviaOnline That doesn't fix the fact there's barely anything happening in the story. There was actually more in the old seasons. Echoes and this even more than echoes, feel bare bones. I like what's happening but there's sadly not much to like.
Do you think that an echo piece is on/in the prison. Also, I wish that when they brought back the Prison of Elders, the chest had a chance of dropping Dregs Promise. Such a missed opportunity.
been playing bo6 while waiting for act 2, I'd say onslaught might feel better with a rage inducer (mob runs faster, spawn faster etc.) to make it go faster
@@oxsila Had his moment? he turned into a pure being of light and got absorbed by the traveller. you could even make a leap and say in that moment he became and died as a guardian. He 100% should have been in the traveller in some way. he didnt have any moment in shadowkeep. being fodder is not having a moment. If his nightmare escaped the pyramid and became sentient due to how light and dark essentially make actual life and memories. that would be a moment.
@@arkura1812 He was in shadowkeep. He has nothing to do with the witness so he wasn't in the final shape. Back when they included ghaul in shadowkeep, they hadn't fleshed out what they really wanted to do besides giving the darkness a voice. It also makes absolutely 0 sense to for them to include him in TFS when they didn't add any red war mission to the timeline. They added cayde to prepare for the fact cayde would be.
@@oxsila HAving anythign to do with the witness is nto a prerequisite to be in TFS, otherwise cayde wouldnt be here. he died before the witness properly mattered
I found it funny that Misraaks threatened me after the final mission. Im like: dafuq are you talking about my guy? I will just pimp slap you and then crack an cold beer while all of your race turns into zombies and you become Nezarec. And then I‘ll go kill all of those zombies for as long as it takes to get rid of them. Especially since getting rid of the witness wasnt that long ago.
32:44 Datto, I've been thinking this for a long time because of how you legit just say and do the same shit I do all the time. "Look, look with your special eyes!" and "MY BRAND!" are in my constant lexicon. Along with "I just shipped the bed!" Are we the same person???
Part of me thinks the format of Curse of Osiris is what is needed and would be fine. I think it would be preferable to what we are getting at the moment anyway. Curse of Osiris, at least for me, was poor not because of the content format, but because what was made was itself shallow. However, I'm in two minds on this because I also think that, perhaps, the weekly release schedule was fine and they should have stuck with it. It keeps us engaged on a weekly basis and it supports a longer running narrative. Dealing with a grave threat in the space of a couple of hours during a couple of missions will never feel as weighted as playing those missions out over the period of a couple of months whilst we see the narrative play out in between missions. Unfortunately I think the only true solution is for Bungie to develop a lot more content than they are capable of producing, or of offering at a reasonable price. We all want cool missions and set pieces to come to every week, with animated characters and dialogue and cutscenes, but that just isn't feasible.
As a Coil enjoyer, Contest of Elders feels a LOT more engaging in a good way, the challenges have actual good balanced timers with making you rush it but also not being openly unfair at all. Not that I'm dissing on Coil, I played that shit like almost daily (only 1 long run for the day ofc) cuz it was just fun. Also actually pretty fun video Datto, I enjoyed this cut up vid of you doing Act 2 a lot! I think major field works give you dialogue that you couldve been fed through the hologram but people got sick of that so this is their workaround?
Contest of Elders is ok, however the ad density is so aids. They just constantly pour out of the walls with absolutely no breaks so even trying to stand still for a single moment get's you killed. Pair that with the 1000 grim flying around during the Sylok fight, getting blasted by one is an instant death. I just wish there was a way to shut the doors for a few moments, or just have the ads come in large waves rather than a constant drip.
Damn what the hell? Am I the only one who loves this season? Maybe it’s just because I miss Forsaken so much and this whole season is Forsaken themed but damn.
i know the idea of wanting curse of osiris back sounds insane, but two things to consider: 1) i said this years ago so i am simply built different 2) Our understanding is different. Back then, we wanted to compare mid year dlc's to end of year dlcs, and of course that comparison makes them look like shit. But now, we're comparing them to seasons, which is a different comparison- we understand now, at least I hope, that comparing mid year dlcs to seasons and not major expansions is the actual realistic and fair judgement to make. Not to mention, I'm sure they could do a mid year dlc a lot better than they used to anyway *because* of what they've learned from seasons.
For the Curse of Osirus comment, I actually enjoyed Curse... Granted, I stopped playing after Red War and came back in like 2019 (some time after Shadowkeep was released) to play it. But going through, playing through Red War, Curse, Warmind, Forsaken back-to-back, I didn't hate Curse. From my perspective, Curse of Osirus was marketed as a full on expansion when the game was at one of its lowest times, and is thus seen as the "Curse of Osirus Era" as a really bad time for the game. HOWEVER, if Curse was released as a filler thing like a season or episode between major expansions now, I would fuckin LOVE that. Idk if that's a hot take, but just in case here's one: I think abilities need to be nerf nuked due to power creep and to emphasize gunplay (which is arguably one of Destinys biggest strengths as a shooter)
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Honestly I do want SOTE to win an award (especially goven its size and scale) but maybe, idk, have a different category? If this ends up like Beauty and the Beast (iirc at least) whos nomination for best picture created the best animated picture category then so be it
Well on the second point, it’s a bit disappointing how animated movies have been relegated to the animated feature category and not really allowed to be a contender for best picture or other categories. Though comparing DLC to Animation is a bit apples to oranges.
man i don't think those comments are just talking about curse of osiris... they're almost literally describing what episodes are. so far this episode there have been a couple "story missions" with a bunch of "side quests" via the research crap. they're... literally asking for what we're already being given.
"Final shape was less than six months ago-"
What.
It feels so long ago 💀
The game feels sapped, unlike the time between forsaken till season of opulence it offered decent content
holy sh*t it felt l;ike 4 month ago
@@Creym464 it feels like a year ago
@@GiffyHD dont know tho tbh
It felt like 4 month since each season was like 2 months
Mithrax: says "shut up" to his daughter.
Chat: This is probably the most intense story we've ever had.
probably a nitpick but wouldnt he say "silence" instead? Sounds kinda off to me lol
@@inoob26 If that were Mithrax, yeah, but he's currently Nez'd out of his gourd. Nez speaks much less formally than Mithrax does.
"It's okay, they want to help you. I think they-
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"Shut up!"
I wish bungie tried a little bit harder
The "not greeted with four arms" comment was more likely a "we don't fully trust Variks but he's the best person we have for the situation" declaration.
exactly, I thought it was so obvious yet it went right over his head and he complained about something nonexistent
yeah, it seems like a very eliksni-specific type of insult
It was really funny because he made it sound like “speak to Variks. He’s very short, but he has unsurpassed knowledge of the tomb of elders.” Lmao
Keep one on your holster
Embraced* not greeted but ye, not necessarily a trust thing. Docking (not the human kind, the Eliksni kind) is done for various reasons: to conserve/ration ether supplies or as a symbol of status (or lack there-of, less arms = lower caste... look up what dreg means because it has real-world use). It can also be a form of punishment. Considering Variks's past, my bet is either he was punished with docking being the punishment (and possibly burned to prevent regrowth).
the "contest of elders" senate joke is phenomenal 10/10 big fan
I remember them saying this act was going to have a 'vampire hunting horror feel' in the Episodes reveal presentation thing they did. I'm not getting that at all so far. To say the story is thin this season is an understatement. I wasn't crazy about Echoes but the story there felt considerably more fleshed out.
Theres just no vampire theme at all. They all still look like bloated corpses. And I'm not saying they have to be victorian posh little aristocrats. They couldve easily sticked to the actual myths. You know, long fingernails as talons, maybe even the boneless ones or those that can turn into any animal that jumped over their grave.
I'd settle for making them look like pale Eliksni
Yeah season of the hunt had actual hunts, an activity format i quite enjoyed, yet they haven’t even bothered to try make some souped-up version of the hunting from back then. The fact they talked about the aesthetic vampire shit so much and literally nothing about this season is like that is so lame.
I like how in the reveal they also showed the cutscene with wormhods and said that we'll be monster hunters. Getting my hopes up for hunting wormgods and huge monsters inside a Fikrul controlled scorn castle...
But we got nothing
the story is thin because they finally gave the people what they were asking for and havent timegated it. i genuinely believe that even with fairly obnoxious padding out, the story would be much stronger (though still not up to snuff compared to previous ones)
Honestly could have changed the scorn a bit more design wise and done stuff like: Scorn draining ether and turning some into vampires, a high value target with a group of scorn that resurrects them which means you have to kill it first
I could think of a bunch of ideas, just feels like they overpromised and differed slightly to the marketing team. Also the armour looks really eh and could have been way more gritty / van helsing
Off script Datto is my favorite lmfao right next to drunk Datto. Just seeing him being chill and funny is so welcomed ya know?
Definitely needed a “Best DLC of the year” added to the game awards. Shadow of the Erdtree would obviously win over anything else, but it would at least allow other games to be nominated for GoTY and include FS as a nominee somewhere.
Wouldn’t allow ‘other games’ plural, as it would just have swapped out for something else but I agree with Datto’s, if it’s the single best game content of the year why wouldn’t it deserve to win. I don’t believe it should, but I think it qualifies if other game studios can’t beat a dlc.
I'm glad that Datto called out at 16:55 that the Prison of Elders has Pyramid structures and tech, for no reason.
However, how did he not call out that the WARDEN is still around, even though we killed it in a strike 6 YEARS AGO?
If I had to take a guess... Maybe it's a backup of the 'Warden Program', just downloaded into a new servitor? That might explain how deteriorated and psychotic it is. While it was dying in the strike, it made a backup of its memories, to save for the future, because it enjoys messing with us?
"You're my favorite" voice line seems to mean that it remembers us.
I didn’t understand that either, unless there are multiple?
Its possible that Pyramid architecture appeared simply because of the Dread, when looking at the walls you can see it coming through it, as though it bursted from it or was melded to it. Similar things happened in the past whenever the Witness would spread it's influence, as things would turn to Darkness or it's aesthetic would appear
the warden is literally just an AI mind in a servitor shell. it might be the easiest boss to transfer/rebuild in the entire game my dude.
@@mrsmi1ey Yeah but then theres Lore stating Servitors are harder to come by with Guardians destroying them. Or the Scorn. Or even Eramis. Only Sepiks ever came back
I wonder what percentage of people currently playing now actually played during Curse of Osiris
People can't go play old D2 to realize how dumb it is to say those times were better. They also can't come to terms with the reality that the game is the best it's ever been and it's their own burnout that's making them not enjoy it
God, this makes me feel old lmao. It feels like only around 10% of the OG's who played in D2Y1 are still around and playing regularly
Still here i come back every so often then stop for months on end
@@Jereb343People will burnout after a awhile with the same formats whether its good or not
“Do not cite the deep magic to me”
But yeah curse really wasn’t all that. I remember the vibes being good for me because I still didn’t know much about the world, so there was this air of mystery. But gameplay wise was just meh, and I think the only piece of loot I ever used from the whole thing was the mercury prophetic shader.
That Variks toilet bit really got me for some reason. Gotta love that Datto bathroom groan impression xD
Got me good too, as I was fighting for my life at the moment during that section
So they've set up the echo looking for a new host, which they're totally either gonna give it to Mithrax to heal him or... give it to Eramis to redeem her... I hate the second option.
Next, we'll redeem the genocidal god of war next episode...
They've been trying to redeem her for a while at this point lol.
Plunder she was talking with Eido helping her iirc? Seraph she was already depressed that the witness played her and reanimated the corpses of her people. The ending she was clearly doubting the decision to nuke traveler and only done so because of fear+copium witness won't continue using her friends. Defiance she literally warned you of the trap that got Amanda killed, then shielded Mithrax from the blast from the cave or something. Then there's some further lore somewhat recently about her being continously down and not wanting all this violence anymore. There's probably something I missed
Or, hear me out, we give it to Mithrax to heal him, but instead it ends up empowering Nezarec, who takes over Mithrax's body fully AND now has the power of an echo.
I'd actually like your take, who have we actually redeemed? The closest we have had is Crow even though he really never needed redemption since he is a different person from Uldren, but Savvy is very much not friendly. Mithrax technically was never our enemy when we first met him, Drifter has always been Anti-Hero.
Eramis getting actually getting some kind of redemption, which I think at best will be Drifter-esc Anti Hero, would only have been the second one we have gotten
Me when the Refugee warlord could theoretically be forgiven and pardoned for her many many crimes.
I don't feel particularly strong about it. I think it's an interesting prospect though. I do hope that whatever path they choose it's executed well.
Bro caught scornvid
The fact that I could think of at least 5 different reasons why this is funny, is very funny to me.
30:05 glad im not the only one who paused when that happened
grandfather was on dialysis for years and would snap similar to this at the start, it takes a lot out of you.
In the Curse of Osiris discussion another point to bring up is price per promise. Curse of Osiris was promised to be a standard DLC and priced as one, where seasons/episodes are promised as smaller stories and being priced much less.
Sort of cus with dungeons being separate it ends up being about the same price
This. I think the major change is that we know what the range is for a mid year content drop and more accurately compare those older dlcs to seasons or episodes rather than major expansions. If we got something warmind level and it was priced like an episode, that'd be better than an episode imo
It's alright, we'll circle back to this discussion when the inevitable outrage comes and Frontiers drops, it'll be $100+ for year of Destiny, DLCs are $50 each, and we realize there's even way *less* content than what we had for a year's worth of Destiny and people will be rightfully annoyed that a minimal QOL fixes of something that would've been nice 10 years ago hyped as a big expansion feature isn't going to cut it.
Remember when they actually hyped up the system of Guardian Ranks for TFS as some big fix to the onboarding problem? They acted like new people would look for mentorship by people's commendation scores and Guardian Rank, as if people even spend that much time interacting in the already limited social space.
With the Curse of Osiris side of things, it sounds dope as a seasonal concept, because it was a current season sized expansion. Ofc as you said people were angry back in Curse because the state of the game, but right now it would fit way more as a seasonal model with a release calendar stuck to it. So that we can actually play the whole story but core activites/side content of the season would be released through out the episode.
Well with Curse we got about a 5 hour campaign
"new" destination
1 Raid
2 Strikes
3 Crucible maps
And many weapons
I really wouldn't compare two, it was a low point but even than we actually got other content besides the campaign. Though I do think infinite forest really lends itself to the rogue like content bungie has been pushing since into the light. You got some conversations in Curse but not as bad as past seasons. Most of the seasonal content is just replaying content, or old content to unlock this weeks twist.
@@GainingDespair Ye, but you gotta consider the duration of an episode and content releases in it. Im not saying that we should get a whole new raid for it every episode that releases. But at the same time look at Eater of Worlds, that shit is comparable to an actual seasonal activity nowadays.
We are still getting "strikes" in form of battlegrounds, and now onslaught maps.
Crucible maps are being released as map packs and were kinda ignored in other releases as well, not saying every release, but some.
@@grompgames4409 Yeah I'm not saying they are the same in that respect, just seasonal content tends to be a lot of listening to conversations, and walking to check points followed by replaying old content.
True they do release old seasonal missions as strikes now but personally I do not consider that a positive aspect. The game is grindy as is, I really just go to strike when I don't want to play seasonal content. Last thing I wish to see is old seasonal content I already dislike with a passion.
Expansions have always progressed the story/world story of the game, seasonal content is designed to be disposable with more lore building than anything. Bungie can't afford to make dramatic changes in seasonal content as (at least by player numbers) roughly 3x more players buy expansions compared to seasonal content.
Can't have a dramatic shift in story if only 30% of the player base ever engages with the content, so its designed to be less impactful. Which is one of my largest complaints nothing meaningful really happens in a season which can't be summarized in a 15 min Byf video.
"He who wipes with one ply run risk of stink finger"
Reading in variks voice made this much funnier
Curse of Osiris and Warmind also came with PvP maps and Strikes.
“One second guardian…Variks is ughhh cranking his shank”
Dang datto spitting bars didn't know he had that flow
Slideways/ Chill Clip is so good on Liturgy. Basically always have chill clip active
“I can go all day bby, it’s on sight” god I hope datto never changes.
The reason people dropped off of curse was because there was no loot and nothing to do. I enjoyed the story for both curse and wartime and remember it fairly well.
Don't really know how best to put this, but the new activity is just Ketchcrash 2, no further questions.
Ketchcrash was dope. That season was mid tho
@haydenw7981 I don't disagree at all, Ketchcrash was the high point of Plunder, I just can't help but be like "is this Ketchcrash?" every time I run this thing.
And like bear in mind that was years ago we've done far better since (e.g. the Coil, which was explicitly referenced when promoting this activity).
Yikes. Ketchcrash was like one of the last worst times in the game.
@@insomniaddictesphard disagree. Ketchcrash was very fun, especially on legend. Expeditions was the piece of seasonal content from plunder that sucked. Don’t get me wrong plunder was VERY lackluster but ketchcrash was not bad at all.
13:08 unironically is one of the best Variks impressions 😂😂
we're just all sick at this point aren't we
yes
I think I speak for everyone when I say we all want more Datto gameplay commentary
The real House of Judgement was Datto all along.
I really loved this form of video. I would watch stream cuts like this all the time!
Datto is definitely adopting more and more Northernlion mannerisms over time. Love to see it.
This video lasts longer than act 2
The GOTY award should be given ONLY to full games, not to DLC's or Expansions. Final Shape is an Expansion of a game.
with the curse of Osiris comment i also think the fact that it was being sold as a full dlc and not a season plays a part in why people were upset with what it was. peoples expectations for how much content was going to be added to the game (based on previous dlcs) were bigger than what was actual given.
The good thing about the tonics isn't the volatile ones, it's the resource tonics. You can have one active for a specific drop no matter what activity you are doing.
Seasonal weapons while farming the new dungeon, for example.
"You ever think you're gunna...
Or you're about to...
...because I'm kinda there."
Datto, 2024
act tuah
Game on that thang
You two need to riskrunner inside the bath
Screeb yourselves.
I liked this acts story up until the end, the return to the prison was good, the story mission was great, skolas coming back was cool, the stylized cutscene was interesting. But that ending took me completely out of it, why are we doing it, it’s completely out of character. It’d make much more sense for eido to do it not us
I mean, I guess it depends on what you consider out of character for a blank slate. Given the fact that the Guardian has been downing dubious tonics for Eido without a second thought, I think freeing someone who voluntarily got herself into jail in the first place + we've beaten several times isn't necessarily a wild thing to do
My thing with the "it's cheaper to do the holoprojector" argument is like... so? Why should I give a shit about that? It'd be even cheaper to just replace them all with text, why not just do that if "it costs us less money" is a valid defense of doing something that sucks. If it is *economically unfeasible* for you to rig a couple characters to stand around for a minute 4 or 5 times every couple months, that's your problem but we are still allowed to say that the solution is not a good user experience.
Maybe the CoO structure could maybe work if they're used exclusively for Seasonal/Episode stories, I wasn't around during Warmind/CoO so I have no clue if the structure was terrible in execution but it doesn't sound like a terrible idea for smaller scale stuff like this
They were fine (not great) when looked at during the Forsaken era and beyond. But the state of the game was so horrible at the time and Curse did nothing to fix it. It was the equivalent of Season of Plunder, not a terrible dlc on its own but suffered massively from state of the game at the time and as such every misstep looks much worse.
It’s honestly the same with this episode. It’s actually pretty decent all things considered and the new activities are good. More Onslaught, Tomb of Elders being one of the best 3-man activities in ages, and an actual integration of story elements built up since House of Wolves and finally providing a conclusion for all of this buildup of Fallen / Scorn story. But since it’s been told in the season without Timegating the realistic size of its content is shown, the weapons aren’t craftable because of an experiment being done by Bungie and perk weighting controversy, etc. So much is working against this episode that it’s getting buried under that people can’t enjoy it for what it is.
But yeah Curse and especially Warmind were actually quite decent, just given at the worst time possible and having to fit into a system which people don’t like. It’s a never ending cycle unfortunately with this game where content can only be so good because of limitations in dev cycles and state of the game / development. It’s a shame.
If Mithrax is Miisrax… does that mean Eramis is Eramith.
The era of myth.
Ok, here’s my theory…
I think Eido dies, either by Fikrul or Eramis hand. Then she gets resurrected as the first light bearing Eliksni.
This resurrection and her new found power, draws the echo to her.
If it was Fikrul that killed her, then she delivers the final blow to him, if it was Eramis, she spares her. Then she uses the echo to cure Mithrax.
Because she’s a guardian now, the Eliksni see her as “having communion or recognition from the traveler” and she’s anointed ‘Kell of Kells’.
Being resurrected as a guardian and being anointed Kell of Kells combined with the fact that, if it was Eramis who killed Eido and Eido didn’t retaliate, brings Eramis to our side (or more specifically the non combatant side) finally.
Of course, the biggest plot hole in all of this is the fact that once resurrected Eido wouldn’t have any memories of being Eido… 🤷
in times of destiny content drout, i appreciate these fun little videos of you playing the story beats as they come out! hopefully they end up performing well enough to continue or theyre easy enough to produce cuz im always down for more datto👍
Content drout when the new act literally just released
Like that this is a lot more chill, just gameplay and discussion highlights. Was nice :)
Tbh the beginning dialogue with mithraxx, it really tells how much nezarec’s curse took hold
They yearn for the mines
That last bit about Fikrul and Skolas escaping... youve got a point... they couldve directed that scene like the post-Witness fight in TFS where the fireteam just runs away from the baddie. Wouldve been cool to run away from undying waves of Scorn with like scary lights if they wanted the Vampire vibe thing.
Loved the editing on this one!
you can get exotic cipher, acendant shards loot tonics, randomly from creating other tonics
Curse's format wasn't terrible, it was the content and depth of Curse was the problem.
Basically good idea bad execution type of issue
"We've come so far, and we're circiling back"
No, we've *fallen so far* that curse of osisir looks like an improvement. Big difference.
There are 2 purple tonics worth using, and really only the one when fighting Raniks. But that grenade launcher reload is basically always active.
Really enjoying this format of video since i don’t play the game anymore but i like to keep up with what’s going on!
Big fan of this longer format!
Liturgy with spike, slideways and chill clip is 🔥🔥🔥
Vauda's editing continues to be amazing
I think the CoO model would actually work now because people didn't like the gutted gameplay in Y1 of D2 but CoO did have a good, unique narrative. I think what most of us ultimately want are unique story missions, whether it's weekly or all at once
Really enjoy this video format!!
I like how we're all shocked that episodes are exactly like seasons, only you pay the same price for 3 of them instead of 4
I wish you kept the interaction between Crow and Eramis, would have been funny seeing Datto's reaction getting caught red handed xd
39:42 The problem with curse of Osiris was that it was a DLC, not just a season. For a DLC it was incredibly small, but for a season, that format would work much better.
We've come so far and tried so hard, but in the end it' didn't even matter.
UHH ACKSHUALLY ITS NOT A TANK, ITS A WALKER
Is what I would say if I was a huge nerd
The reason Final Shape feels like a year old is because, despite the content we are getting with Episodes, the episodes themselves seem to just drag on. I still love the story (even if Echoes ending was a big wtf), weapons, armor and characters but Episodes feel sooo much longer then they are.
Just call him Mithrax.....don't need to worry about offending a digital character
Summary of Datto’s commentary: *this is not as hard as I thought it would be*
Gotta be honest I had no idea contest of elders had an end, I think I probably left really close to the end. I joined in progress and when it looped other players were leaving and joining, I just thought it was infinite. Oops. Bungie should probably make that more clear?
39:40 you're wrong. Those also had new locations added to them, too
Earning tonics wasn't explained well. You have to keep crafting lower tonics to earn higher ones. The legendary ones are helpful and, since they last 60 minutes, aren't as tedious to use. That does leave you with tons of tonics that you'll never use. You're able to turn in them in at Eido for items and rep but that's only one or two kinds per day.
I enjoy the system. Gives you a controllable boost to gameplay and you can continue progressing the grind for seasonal weapons even while doing other activities. Bungie just needed to communicate the benefits better
That thumbnail was like: I don't play that much Destiny 2, anymore...
I had the same thought about the spider moment. He right down the hall
Its insane to me that that was supposed to be 3 weeks worth of content and I knocked it out in a couple hours. I really want to enjoy this game again but they're making it so hard.
So get one weeks dialogue, go run both seasonal activities then log off for a week
@OliviaOnline That doesn't fix the fact there's barely anything happening in the story. There was actually more in the old seasons. Echoes and this even more than echoes, feel bare bones. I like what's happening but there's sadly not much to like.
Do you think that an echo piece is on/in the prison.
Also, I wish that when they brought back the Prison of Elders, the chest had a chance of dropping Dregs Promise. Such a missed opportunity.
been playing bo6 while waiting for act 2, I'd say onslaught might feel better with a rage inducer (mob runs faster, spawn faster etc.) to make it go faster
Kmart's "Ship My Pants" commercial was legendary
It wasn’t the content cycle that was bad. It was the 2 tokens and a blue
I jsut want red war to come back. Ghaul not beign in the final shape, was incredibly disapointing
He already had his moment in Shadowkeep as a nightmare
@@oxsila Had his moment? he turned into a pure being of light and got absorbed by the traveller.
you could even make a leap and say in that moment he became and died as a guardian.
He 100% should have been in the traveller in some way.
he didnt have any moment in shadowkeep.
being fodder is not having a moment.
If his nightmare escaped the pyramid and became sentient due to how light and dark essentially make actual life and memories. that would be a moment.
@@arkura1812 He was in shadowkeep. He has nothing to do with the witness so he wasn't in the final shape. Back when they included ghaul in shadowkeep, they hadn't fleshed out what they really wanted to do besides giving the darkness a voice. It also makes absolutely 0 sense to for them to include him in TFS when they didn't add any red war mission to the timeline. They added cayde to prepare for the fact cayde would be.
@@oxsila HAving anythign to do with the witness is nto a prerequisite to be in TFS, otherwise cayde wouldnt be here. he died before the witness properly mattered
I found it funny that Misraaks threatened me after the final mission. Im like: dafuq are you talking about my guy? I will just pimp slap you and then crack an cold beer while all of your race turns into zombies and you become Nezarec. And then I‘ll go kill all of those zombies for as long as it takes to get rid of them. Especially since getting rid of the witness wasnt that long ago.
I would big enjoy captions for different moments in Datto vidoes
Great edit 38:35
Maybe the echo revives Aksis in act 3... Here's hoping.
32:44 Datto, I've been thinking this for a long time because of how you legit just say and do the same shit I do all the time. "Look, look with your special eyes!" and "MY BRAND!" are in my constant lexicon. Along with "I just shipped the bed!" Are we the same person???
As someone who joined during shadowkeep I liked Curse of Osiris (infinte forest should have been it's own activity)
Part of me thinks the format of Curse of Osiris is what is needed and would be fine. I think it would be preferable to what we are getting at the moment anyway. Curse of Osiris, at least for me, was poor not because of the content format, but because what was made was itself shallow. However, I'm in two minds on this because I also think that, perhaps, the weekly release schedule was fine and they should have stuck with it. It keeps us engaged on a weekly basis and it supports a longer running narrative. Dealing with a grave threat in the space of a couple of hours during a couple of missions will never feel as weighted as playing those missions out over the period of a couple of months whilst we see the narrative play out in between missions.
Unfortunately I think the only true solution is for Bungie to develop a lot more content than they are capable of producing, or of offering at a reasonable price. We all want cool missions and set pieces to come to every week, with animated characters and dialogue and cutscenes, but that just isn't feasible.
As a Coil enjoyer, Contest of Elders feels a LOT more engaging in a good way, the challenges have actual good balanced timers with making you rush it but also not being openly unfair at all.
Not that I'm dissing on Coil, I played that shit like almost daily (only 1 long run for the day ofc) cuz it was just fun.
Also actually pretty fun video Datto, I enjoyed this cut up vid of you doing Act 2 a lot!
I think major field works give you dialogue that you couldve been fed through the hologram but people got sick of that so this is their workaround?
Contest of Elders is ok, however the ad density is so aids. They just constantly pour out of the walls with absolutely no breaks so even trying to stand still for a single moment get's you killed. Pair that with the 1000 grim flying around during the Sylok fight, getting blasted by one is an instant death. I just wish there was a way to shut the doors for a few moments, or just have the ads come in large waves rather than a constant drip.
@@snottytoe6957 add density being too high is a cooked take. it would be boring asf if you had down time.
22:04 blud was not having any of it
Damn what the hell? Am I the only one who loves this season? Maybe it’s just because I miss Forsaken so much and this whole season is Forsaken themed but damn.
i know the idea of wanting curse of osiris back sounds insane, but two things to consider:
1) i said this years ago so i am simply built different
2) Our understanding is different. Back then, we wanted to compare mid year dlc's to end of year dlcs, and of course that comparison makes them look like shit. But now, we're comparing them to seasons, which is a different comparison- we understand now, at least I hope, that comparing mid year dlcs to seasons and not major expansions is the actual realistic and fair judgement to make.
Not to mention, I'm sure they could do a mid year dlc a lot better than they used to anyway *because* of what they've learned from seasons.
For the Curse of Osirus comment, I actually enjoyed Curse... Granted, I stopped playing after Red War and came back in like 2019 (some time after Shadowkeep was released) to play it. But going through, playing through Red War, Curse, Warmind, Forsaken back-to-back, I didn't hate Curse.
From my perspective, Curse of Osirus was marketed as a full on expansion when the game was at one of its lowest times, and is thus seen as the "Curse of Osirus Era" as a really bad time for the game.
HOWEVER, if Curse was released as a filler thing like a season or episode between major expansions now, I would fuckin LOVE that.
Idk if that's a hot take, but just in case here's one: I think abilities need to be nerf nuked due to power creep and to emphasize gunplay (which is arguably one of Destinys biggest strengths as a shooter)
Datto's variks impression while sick is sooo fuckin good lmaoo
Great analysis, thank you! Could you help me with something unrelated: I have a SafePal wallet with USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?
This video made me chuckle. You're more funny than people think you are Datto. Great video! 😊
Revenant situation is crazy
It's almost as if the problem with curse of Osiris wasn't curse of Osiris itself
“Noo 🥺” - datto
Honestly I do want SOTE to win an award (especially goven its size and scale) but maybe, idk, have a different category? If this ends up like Beauty and the Beast (iirc at least) whos nomination for best picture created the best animated picture category then so be it
Well on the second point, it’s a bit disappointing how animated movies have been relegated to the animated feature category and not really allowed to be a contender for best picture or other categories. Though comparing DLC to Animation is a bit apples to oranges.
So far I have had a more enjoyable time with Curse of Osiris than with Episode 1 and Episode 2 combined
if Datto was a Terraria player he'd HATE the Old One's Army huh
man i don't think those comments are just talking about curse of osiris... they're almost literally describing what episodes are. so far this episode there have been a couple "story missions" with a bunch of "side quests" via the research crap. they're... literally asking for what we're already being given.
Not Elitist Datto but not normal Datto. Sarcastic Datto, maybe? Bro needs a break 😂
11:30 onslaught prime, perhaps?
i still have nightmares about curse of osiris, i guess that's why it's called a curse