The reason why the car was pushing for you on power was because you left it in Auto DCCD mode. Subaru recommends Auto Minus for the track in the manual. When I rallycross, I use a fully open DCCD to help rotate the car on power. I really respect the Ford Focus RS though. It keeps Subaru on their toes.
It's so refreshing to see an actual drifter use the drift mode properly. I've seen so many videos on You tube trying out the drift mode but nobody can drift. It would've been way better to see him drift it with harder compound tires as those cup 2 tires have way too much grip for drifting.
N.V. Auto good review but having the the diff open in manual will send more power to the rear wheels sometimes giving nice oversteer the setting used here is for winter driving and everyday use. It's in the Subaru owners manual not to use it on track because of the understeer. Pretty much repeated what brain d said above 🙂
The RS just looks so much more on it's toes than the STI. The prevailing cabin sound of the tires entire families being sent to the firing squad probably doesn't help the STI's case though.
Good review guys. Btw, the eco=boost mustang also has a twin-scroll turbo, though the RS turbo is bigger. But main differences are the Cosworth head and head gasket + exhaust.
Ehh it's arguable, I was expecting the rs to be a lot more faster, yeah stock vs stock rs wins by a sec "yay!", but if both cars are putting out the same power, same tires, and the STI off the auto mode, it would be a lot more interesting.
Great comparison. I think the Focus may have put some pressure on the STI for some improvements. I think the bar has been raised. Both are great cars!! Time will tell if the Ford can do it reliably!!
yup and Ford puts one of the best street tires you can buy to try and beat the other cars in the class. Not many people talk about that when comparing these cars .
Jay Burgess they don't just put it on tho the ones hey have in the video are an option and those technically aren't street tires they're track tires that are dot legal ..trust me tho those tires won't last more than 10k especially in AWD and if it's tracked repeatedly then would only last a couple track days Ford was smart to have the review models with these tires good marketing
With how much the car was struggling it doesn't sound like they did much at all. There's a massive difference between locked full rear DCCD and auto. Even 50/50 lock is worlds different than Auto.
Hey Speed Academy. One feature on the sti that it apperas you missed is the trac mode for the traction control. Power levels will dip in loss off traction with this on, however the brake-based torque vectoring remains active. This helps the car stay more neutral in corners. p.s. I can tell that its not on, as you will have a green and yellow indicator in the bottom middle of the cluster
I cant for the life of me figure out why you would leave the sti diff in "auto". If you took the time to read the manual like you did for the RS, you would see subaru as clearly shown the car will understear and push wide in every corner if left in auto! I own a STI myself and the difference From auto to Auto"-" or the manual diff settings is night and day. Having the diff in auto [-] or fully opened in manual will cause much more power to be set to the rear wheels. Causing much better rotation and even some nice over steer. This makes your test completly USELESS! Do it again and see the difference. Auto mode is pretty much for winter driving or just normal driving around town.
I noticed this as well and thought the same thing. The car has plenty of turn in with the configuration you highlighted above. No disrespect to the RS though, this car is awesome.
Oh yea the RS is awesome for sure!. But if your comparing 2 cars and you set the diff up for handling mode in one, you should do the same to the other. I have never had my subie push that wide when stomping on it around a corner lol.
Also, he didn't even try to figure out where the torque band was going into corners with a serious attitude. It's like he didn't want the STI to even have a fair shot. "Oh 2 feels good there" well yeah no shit... you'd know that if you actually took the time to run a few laps with the transmission before giving it, it's "official" time
lol.. the focus rs is even faster then the sti then this video is showing.. in a professional drivers hands it would probably have at least 2 seconds on the sti
I'm kinda surprised the STI did as well (relatively) considering the huge difference in tire compounds. If I'm an STI guy, I'd feel pretty good about this performance considering the power differential and the fact that the EJ is from the Bush (the friggen old one too) Administration.
I'm a Subaru guy. I have a base model 2008 Impreza hatch.. wanted to get a 2013 wrx hatch.. but the Ford focus RS caught my eye for a while now. I will definitely make that my next car.
Those dunlop sport maxxs are very very loud and don't have enough grip compared to Cup 2s & Trofeo Rs. They do have very hard side walls for heavy cars though. Same tires on the GTR...
The drivers skill needs to be greatly improved before a real comparison can be made. He's very unsure about how to take many of the corners and how to push the cars.
Just because he has a little bit of time behind the wheel doesn't automatically make him a good driver. It's evident he could use some real improvement. He's more capable than your ordinary driver, and that's about it.
Here, let me explain in a little greater detail as to how I can see he lacks good driving skill. He jerks the steering wheel very fast and with lots of angle, which can cause part of the understeer he was experiencing. He also doesn't transition properly into immediate turns following the one he's exiting, he snaps the wheel back the other way. This does not give the car time to transition it's weight onto the other side. These mistakes he's making are something you'd expect from a novice.
You clearly have it figured out but incase you'd like to come out and see for yourself and judge his driving skills, we're at Toronto Motorsports Park almost weekly and will gladly give you a ride along.
Shawn Moses Chassis dynamics son! The WRX/STI is a pig in the corners compared to how the RS performs. 'STI' doesn't stand for much these days. Subaru spent a ton starting the division back in the day and hasn't done much to improve upon the STI for a decade.
someone's mad. real mad. the RS is only at 350hp in overboost. But yes, you are right, the ford is shit. But what does that make the suby then if it beats it every day and every night? LOL.
JU1212 I can guarantee that 99.9% of people that get ringland failures are to blame for it. Everyone bullshits on forums and lies to themselves. Amateurs putting cheap parts in their cars, shitty tunes or idiots running 87 octane. Obviously there are going to be far more reports for issues with the sti simply because it has been around so long. It is also a pedigree champion race horse, which cannot be denied. However, Ford and American cars in general have never been known for their reliability and resale value. Only time will tell with the rs, but my guess is it will not break the trend.
JU1212 I can guarantee that 99.9% of people that get ringland failures are to blame for it. Everyone bullshits on forums and lies to themselves. Amateurs putting cheap parts in their cars, shitty tunes or idiots running 87 octane. Obviously there are going to be far more reports for issues with the sti simply because it has been around so long. It is also a pedigree champion race horse, which cannot be denied. However, Ford and American cars in general have never been known for their reliability and resale value. Only time will tell with the rs, but my guess is it will not break the trend.
Ford Focus has a racing pedigree going as at least as far back as Subaru. Both have successfully competed in WRC. Most of the technology used in this new RS has been tested in WRC.
I am Subaru owner myself and I love it. Great video. Subaru I think it is time to upgrade that boxer engine and set up and stop resting on what you had. I am not mad at Ford for going after the best and besting it
In STI it makes a noticeable difference to use AUTO - (minus) setting in the track. It reduces understeer. You can use the manual setting for DCCD as well.
I love all cars and the Rally Heroes have always held a special place in my heart, ESPECIALLY Subaru's, but the new Impreza's look like Legacy's with large spoilers, plain and simple. The RS appeals to that rally heritage while not being the "Type R 12 year old fantasy". The only complaint I have of the car is the lack of seat options, seriously Ford, GIVE US THE DAMNED OPTION!!!!!!!!!
nice review. I item a 16 sti and upgraded the rear sway bar and put a cross bar in the rear as well. made a big difference. I can't wait until my dunlops wear out to get some stickys.
Please do episode two! I have the new STI and my buddy has the RS. We constantly talk shit to each other. He mostly rips on my spoiler. And I say that his RS looks like a Prius with a sex change operation. So naturally have money riding on the STI for the win.
badams0311 Bet you dont even know what ringland means. You have obviously been reading all the forums filled with hearsay and chinese whispers. Everyone that posts anything about these 2.5 engines is copying what others have said, with no actual fact behind the stupid rumours. Current model from about 2015 has nothing wrong with it. A solid reliable car, built to last. Subaru wouldnt sell them if they had major issues.
DeShawn Williams That's fast, but we're talking about a WRX from 1992 lol. The point was how a car almost 25 years has not improved power-to-weight wise.
I've got a 2012 STi (hatchback) and I actually took the stock Dunlops off before they were worn out. Put some MIchelin Pilot Sport A/S 3 (yes, all-season) as "three season" tires to complement my winter tires and they were actually BETTER than the Dunlops, in spite of having double the treadwear ratng. TL;DR the stock Dunlops are poop. I was also really happy with the substantial torque curve change in a Cobb stage 1 tune, the only power mod I've made for the car. It drives very differently in spite of using the most conservative ("crappy gas") map. Curious how much the RS will 'wake up' for similar money. I'm also really happy with how my STi handles Edmonton winters. It feels unstoppable on ice, snow, etc, with a proper set of snow tires. Those mechanical diffs are something. The system in the RS is really interesting, and hopefully it holds up just as well... The brake fade was a bit alarming though!
first thing i saw were the brakes and the last thing i thought that even show any problems after 1 hot lap and the pricing i mean it looks cool never liked ford i've actually seen how ford puts there cars and trucks together....the car ok.....plastic everything noisey interiors the trucks...It should be illegal what they do the way the machines are set and i seen it in crashes they dont fully spot weld a-pillar or b-pillar they legit just....fall off.....but again the hatch is nice the mustangs are fun to drive other wise.....i prefer a 08 and under chevy or a nice hemi......or 08 and up but rebuilt motors.....or a Supra :)
I liked and subbed cuz of the way you said track battle haha. I already knew your personalities were for me! And then yalls talking affirmed that! I’m excited to see this raceee.
I don't get it, with 50HP more than the STI, it only gotten 2 secs better? It should be atleast 4 secs more. And having the DCCD on auto is not suitable for track. That's a daily driver mode. This comparison test is automatically a failure.
How do you figure? Go watch the GT350R vs the ZL1. Over 100 HP difference, and more disadvantage in torque and the difference was .39. Don't be sad the Subaru got slaughtered. 2 seconds around a track is an eternity.
badams0311 did you not here the focus has pilot cup 2 tires? Do not not understand that alone is a half second. Did you not her the driver telling us, he does not know how to race? Maybe you should watch the video in slow motion. Not everyone can drive a subaru fast. They need to get randy pobst to drive. The sti lost beat the cla45 amg. I'll take that over the focus. The rs is like someone putting a turbo on a go metro, it's fast but wtf, lmao
badams0311 by the way, the focus rs is .1 second faster to 60 mph and slower than the sti to 100mph and they run the same in the 1/4 mile but one has all this power, lmfao.
Nice review. I'm lucky enough to own a 2016 Subaru STI special edition and a 2014 Ford Focus ST (not the RS. It wasn't available then). I like to think this gives me some experience to comment on this review. Both are really fun cars with Manual Transmissions! I don't buy automatics, flappy paddles, or CVTs. First, it was painful to watch the driver grind the Subaru STI over it's front tires like that. The STI is famous for its adjustable center differential, but the reviewer doesn't use it!? Set the CDiff to minus one to the rear. Then carve turns like a pro. The STI is our family car and is great. A big Thank You to Ford for making the Focus RS, now that the excellent Mitsubishi Evo 10 (my previous car) is no longer available. I really like my Ford Focus ST. It is quick, smooth, handles great but is a tight fit for people and any luggage. The Focus RS must be even more fun than the ST since it has more power and AWD. Unfortunately it is still pretty small inside. And the seating position is just too high to really feel connected to the car. The Focus ST still handles great but the high, and very upright, seating position isn't sports car, it's economy car. Can't decide, get one of each! Long live the hot sport compact car!
Brandon H bro sti is better. This is not an accurate test. He could’ve hit some corners better and it would’ve change the time so this isn’t accurate. Plus the sti is like 6k cheaper. U put 6k in mods and it’s not even close
Wow I'm actually extremely surprised with how close they were. I mean 1.6s on a 1.25s lap is pretty big, but when you take into account the tires, the difference would be more like 0.8s, possibly less? And that's a 45hp, 55torque difference which is pretty huge.
Why wasn't it possible to do the test with the same tires? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of an accurate comparison? I mean tires make a HUGE difference on the track. I'm talking multiple seconds easily. I really like the RS and want one, but I'm not sold on it by this comparison. Comparing lap times of two cars with two different kinds of tires is simply inaccurate and biased to the car with better track tires.
Why would we test the cars with the same tires? Every other stock car comparo channel (motortrend being the biggest) tests the cars as they arrive on the show room floor so it would defeat our test if we decided to change the tires.
Speed Academy Yeah, that's true. I just thought it would be more accurate as far as showing each cars potential and how they compare to each other as machines by having them both on even footing. I mean how do we know which car performs better if they're not on an even playing field? I am a big fan of you guys though. Love your videos.
exactly, not to mention nobody drives like this on the road... like I give a flying F if one car was a second faster around a track after 2 laps, lol..that could be driver error as well -- truthfully though why anybody would want an AWD car with summer sports on them is beyond me. The point of AWD is to drive in all sorts of weather, and terrain, you know... the reason it was created. The first thing I would do if I bought (or leased) either car, would be to put some practical all season tires that had some performance grip. I had pure summer tires on my A4 a few years back and got hit with some early season snow and the difference in 3 inches of snow was night and day. Still "driveable" but no where near as reassuring as a good all season.
Bodhi Safa Yeah, that's true but once AWD cars started to win the Pikes Peak Hill Climb and dominate rally racing they became a whole new breed of performance car. Now even the fastest super, and even hyper cars, are AWD. The Porsche 918, Lamborghini Aventador SV and McLaren P1 are the three fastest production cars in the world right now and are all AWD.
separator94 that's because they launch better, keeping the power to all 4 wheels and avoiding slippage but let's be real here you aren't going to see any of those cars driving around your neighborhood. We are talking about a 35k to 40K car here. I don't need track tires on my focus or WRX. That's pointless unless you live in state where it's always dry.
elcouz because its an awd of similar power, and weight in the same category. Not only that but some would argue that the Evo X to had a better handling powertrain than the STI.
elcouz you can still purchase a final edition evo x brand new at some dealers. You just have to look harder which makes it more rare and is a good thing.
Pete already told Dave that the chase car needs to be pretty much on the bumper of the rear car, especially when shooting with a GoPro. Next chase car we do will be way better.
+Pitties, a WRX and More yes thank you my first car was a 2002 wrx bugeye my second was a blobeye wrx and the one am driving right now well my summer car 2006 hawkeye sti and my everyday car is a impreza my whole family are scooby lovers my mom my dad they drive outback and forester my brother brz my sister hatchback impreza
The Sti is a better car. The RS is 5k over msrp that's around 45-44k for a focus. You can get an sti for 36k. And the ford always take a hit in resale. I'm in Las Vegas. In California the rs is selling for almost 7k over. 46k for a focus lol no thanks
You don't know RS sales. RS holds it's value far better than any Subaru. Even 1996 Escort RS models go for $30k and Focus RS models are always twice the price of used Subarus. Right now in the trader a 2009 Focus RS is 24K euro and a 2010 sti is 15k euros. People are willing to pay more for an RS than a STI every time hence why dealers mark them up and you can get deals on STI's.
Slowpo Slowpo Well they sold 4000 in the uk alone of the 2nd generation which has only a fifth the population of USA so they will be every bit and more as rare in the US at 8500. STI sales in the UK are less than that of the Focus RS and so is more rare but loses value much quicker. The RS badge is valuable and collector worthy.
"The RS is 5k over msrp that's around 45-44k for a focus." Yeah, okay... OH LOOK, literally took me 30 seconds to see that's a bullshit statement. www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=461423804&zip=38506&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D38506%26startYear%3D2017%26numRecords%3D100%26incremental%3Dall%26endYear%3D2019%26modelCodeList%3DFOCUS%26makeCodeList%3DFORD%26featureCodes%3D1132%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceASC%26maxPrice%3D40000%26firstRecord%3D0%26searchRadius%3D500%26trimCodeList%3DFOCUS%257CRS&startYear=2017&numRecords=100&maxPrice=40000&firstRecord=0&endYear=2019&modelCodeList=FOCUS&makeCodeList=FORD&searchRadius=500&makeCode1=FORD&modelCode1=FOCUS
Yup, do not like hatchbacks. I don't understand how they look sexy? I don't get it? I don't even like the color. Not sexy at all. I'm a girl, and if my man drove the RS, I wouldn't get in it. I'd be turned off. ...but if he drove an STI (like me), I'd be totally game!
jimmie frost You do know that Ford was winning rallies with the awd turbo Escort Cosworth before Subaru and Mitsubishi joined the party. This is just Ford taking its crown from the pretender.
been my experience that boxer motors are unreliable as hell. so of course i own a modified porsche and a modified sti. lol. on the other hand ive had several cars with built inline 4s. never had problems. they just go and go and go. had a d series Honda civic with a turbo on a built motor. put out 350whp and i beat the crap out of that car. sold it with 40k miles on that motor and it worked like new.
Did you notice the lack of lift off oversteer in the RS? Also it crazy how the RS rewards you for getting back on throttle early through corners SO MUCH FUN!
If you are using the GoPro hero4 I would recommend turning the spot meter on so that you get proper exterior exposure when shooting from inside the car. Love your guys stuff, keep it up!
Stock vs. stock my ass! The STi has two stickers on it! That's 10 extra HP!
11.7 at the wheels...
Jeffrey Rose 15.2 at the brakes
Dragonzkilerz 12.4 at the blinkers
@@Jeff9691 ".7" 💀
Scott Ryman and the FORD still whips it’s ass dude coulda prob done another second faster if he had given it more gas like he said in video lol
The reason why the car was pushing for you on power was because you left it in Auto DCCD mode. Subaru recommends Auto Minus for the track in the manual. When I rallycross, I use a fully open DCCD to help rotate the car on power. I really respect the Ford Focus RS though. It keeps Subaru on their toes.
It's so refreshing to see an actual drifter use the drift mode properly. I've seen so many videos on You tube trying out the drift mode but nobody can drift. It would've been way better to see him drift it with harder compound tires as those cup 2 tires have way too much grip for drifting.
We plan on putting some suer cheap tires on the car to see just how well it slides.
Sinister Ikaika
N.V. Auto good review but having the the diff open in manual will send more power to the rear wheels sometimes giving nice oversteer the setting used here is for winter driving and everyday use. It's in the Subaru owners manual not to use it on track because of the understeer. Pretty much repeated what brain d said above 🙂
I love the RS. Such an amazing car for the money.
$50,000 is amazing money, that's for sure.
The RS just looks so much more on it's toes than the STI. The prevailing cabin sound of the tires entire families being sent to the firing squad probably doesn't help the STI's case though.
The Pilot SuperSports have a 300 tread wear rating so... They are a perfectly fine 3 season daily driver tire for even the places that get snow.
aren't they on sport cup 2's?
the cup2 are optional.
Brandon Knogler in this video it is
+xt6wagon what about coins holder
6:52 "I like to play with knobs"
Dave really has a thing for knobs!!
N.V. Auto i picked up on that soon as he said it lol made me laugh you'd honk at my age I'd be more mature, but sure 😂😂
@@SIRICKO just like you
The STi should have had its center diff locked to the rear tires, in S# and with traction control off.
Good review guys. Btw, the eco=boost mustang also has a twin-scroll turbo, though the RS turbo is bigger. But main differences are the Cosworth head and head gasket + exhaust.
Chase car sounded sick
Oh hell yes!!! I'm Doing another mod video today on the RS. Great video guys.
aha i knew i would find u here :P
Rs has 50 more hp, torque vectoring , and stickier tires, only made about a 1 sec difference? STI was in auto mode as well.
1.6 seconds is a big difference
Ehh it's arguable, I was expecting the rs to be a lot more faster, yeah stock vs stock rs wins by a sec "yay!", but if both cars are putting out the same power, same tires, and the STI off the auto mode, it would be a lot more interesting.
Chris Alvarado yeah that auto was why it under steered more than usual ..I don't doubt the RS would still be faster tho
Style wise the STI wins by 2 days.
and like 60ftlb more torque too... the RS wasn't being pushed hard at all. it was painful to watch.
Great comparison. I think the Focus may have put some pressure on the STI for some improvements. I think the bar has been raised. Both are great cars!! Time will tell if the Ford can do it reliably!!
people don't know but tires really make a difference in tracks
Raul Dorian I think people do know that
Sadly, not enough people..
those cup 2s are around 400USD to replace for 19s lol..theyre streetable track tires
yup and Ford puts one of the best street tires you can buy to try and beat the other cars in the class. Not many people talk about that when comparing these cars .
Jay Burgess they don't just put it on tho the ones hey have in the video are an option and those technically aren't street tires they're track tires that are dot legal ..trust me tho those tires won't last more than 10k especially in AWD and if it's tracked repeatedly then would only last a couple track days
Ford was smart to have the review models with these tires good marketing
Great video!! Can't wait for part 2!
Btw... The STI has 3x mechanical diffs and torque vectoring to the front wheels only. 😎👍🏼
The DCCD is the original "drift mode" button
Just picked up my focus RS the other day. H o l y hell. What a fine Automobile in every way. I can now die happy man lol. Nice video.
I found one with low miles upgraded from an ST .
you should have experimented with DCCD!!!!
Auto is not the best setting to get the STI to rotate!
Yes I agree and did they take traction control off?
With how much the car was struggling it doesn't sound like they did much at all. There's a massive difference between locked full rear DCCD and auto. Even 50/50 lock is worlds different than Auto.
Of course traction control was off and for this track AUTO is the best setting.
We tried all the settings and nothing helped. AUTO seems to be the best setup for this track.
They didnt turn traction control off. You can see that its not off in the video.
Vertical piston action!
The last corner on this track is a heart attack for people who understeer.
Hey Speed Academy. One feature on the sti that it apperas you missed is the trac mode for the traction control. Power levels will dip in loss off traction with this on, however the brake-based torque vectoring remains active. This helps the car stay more neutral in corners.
p.s. I can tell that its not on, as you will have a green and yellow indicator in the bottom middle of the cluster
I cant for the life of me figure out why you would leave the sti diff in "auto". If you took the time to read the manual like you did for the RS, you would see subaru as clearly shown the car will understear and push wide in every corner if left in auto! I own a STI myself and the difference From auto to Auto"-" or the manual diff settings is night and day. Having the diff in auto [-] or fully opened in manual will cause much more power to be set to the rear wheels. Causing much better rotation and even some nice over steer. This makes your test completly USELESS! Do it again and see the difference. Auto mode is pretty much for winter driving or just normal driving around town.
I noticed this as well and thought the same thing. The car has plenty of turn in with the configuration you highlighted above.
No disrespect to the RS though, this car is awesome.
Oh yea the RS is awesome for sure!. But if your comparing 2 cars and you set the diff up for handling mode in one, you should do the same to the other. I have never had my subie push that wide when stomping on it around a corner lol.
Add turn the traction control partly off (one push).
Also, he didn't even try to figure out where the torque band was going into corners with a serious attitude. It's like he didn't want the STI to even have a fair shot. "Oh 2 feels good there" well yeah no shit... you'd know that if you actually took the time to run a few laps with the transmission before giving it, it's "official" time
lol.. the focus rs is even faster then the sti then this video is showing.. in a professional drivers hands it would probably have at least 2 seconds on the sti
I'm kinda surprised the STI did as well (relatively) considering the huge difference in tire compounds. If I'm an STI guy, I'd feel pretty good about this performance considering the power differential and the fact that the EJ is from the Bush (the friggen old one too) Administration.
Yes make a video on the subaru Leone. Been following this guy MSC for a long time.
This car is pure porn.
the turbo whistle from chase camera car at the end was intoxicating.
Good job, I enjoyed the review. Part 2 Please!
I don't know about you guys but during the drifting portion all i could pay attention to was that sweet sweet turbo sounds!
yooooooo the chase car was dope!!! nasty nasty nasty ...
I'm a Subaru guy. I have a base model 2008 Impreza hatch.. wanted to get a 2013 wrx hatch.. but the Ford focus RS caught my eye for a while now. I will definitely make that my next car.
Definitely getting RS 🏅
Those dunlop sport maxxs are very very loud and don't have enough grip compared to Cup 2s & Trofeo Rs. They do have very hard side walls for heavy cars though. Same tires on the GTR...
The drivers skill needs to be greatly improved before a real comparison can be made. He's very unsure about how to take many of the corners and how to push the cars.
Dave has 100s of laps at TMP in more cars than most of us have ever driven so his driving skills should be the last concern.
Just because he has a little bit of time behind the wheel doesn't automatically make him a good driver. It's evident he could use some real improvement. He's more capable than your ordinary driver, and that's about it.
Here, let me explain in a little greater detail as to how I can see he lacks good driving skill. He jerks the steering wheel very fast and with lots of angle, which can cause part of the understeer he was experiencing. He also doesn't transition properly into immediate turns following the one he's exiting, he snaps the wheel back the other way. This does not give the car time to transition it's weight onto the other side. These mistakes he's making are something you'd expect from a novice.
You clearly have it figured out but incase you'd like to come out and see for yourself and judge his driving skills, we're at Toronto Motorsports Park almost weekly and will gladly give you a ride along.
Well, I don't even live in the same country, but if we ever cross paths I'd much rather have a run against him in identical cars.
I love the sound at the end the spool and waste gate sounded sexy....I miss that sound!
Subaru, this is what happens when you don't innovate for over a decade! Kudos to Ford for keeping it fresh.
innovate what? for 350hp, its slow
Shawn Moses Chassis dynamics son! The WRX/STI is a pig in the corners compared to how the RS performs. 'STI' doesn't stand for much these days. Subaru spent a ton starting the division back in the day and hasn't done much to improve upon the STI for a decade.
homerun217 so that means ford is really shit. Focus has better tires and 50 more hp and barely won, gtfoh
lol
someone's mad. real mad. the RS is only at 350hp in overboost. But yes, you are right, the ford is shit. But what does that make the suby then if it beats it every day and every night? LOL.
the Subaru intercooler is better for off road use or getting a little air. With a front mount it is at risk of damage.
The real winner is the car that doesn't have a 20% depreciation the moment you drive off the lot. Hint: Not the Ford.
Check for used RS on craigslist...
JU1212 aos and catch can if you're modded. any car will fail when incorrectly modded or driven.
JU1212 I can guarantee that 99.9% of people that get ringland failures are to blame for it. Everyone bullshits on forums and lies to themselves. Amateurs putting cheap parts in their cars, shitty tunes or idiots running 87 octane. Obviously there are going to be far more reports for issues with the sti simply because it has been around so long. It is also a pedigree champion race horse, which cannot be denied. However, Ford and American cars in general have never been known for their reliability and resale value. Only time will tell with the rs, but my guess is it will not break the trend.
JU1212 I can guarantee that 99.9% of people that get ringland failures are to blame for it. Everyone bullshits on forums and lies to themselves. Amateurs putting cheap parts in their cars, shitty tunes or idiots running 87 octane. Obviously there are going to be far more reports for issues with the sti simply because it has been around so long. It is also a pedigree champion race horse, which cannot be denied. However, Ford and American cars in general have never been known for their reliability and resale value. Only time will tell with the rs, but my guess is it will not break the trend.
Ford Focus has a racing pedigree going as at least as far back as Subaru. Both have successfully competed in WRC. Most of the technology used in this new RS has been tested in WRC.
I am Subaru owner myself and I love it. Great video. Subaru I think it is time to upgrade that boxer engine and set up and stop resting on what you had. I am not mad at Ford for going after the best and besting it
Track tips... But no alignments tips or any camber adjustments
Actually full alignment specs are in the owners manual.
100% on point regarding the tires.
I love the STi. I'm not racing my cars on a track so for me the STi, by far...
In STI it makes a noticeable difference to use AUTO - (minus) setting in the track. It reduces understeer. You can use the manual setting for DCCD as well.
they could of cleaned the lens of the camera within that 20 minutes.
There's a chip in our lens. :( In sunlight you can see it and lo and behold it looks like a smudge.
Could've. Contraction of could have.
Could of this could of that subaru could have made a better car
"She likes to turn" = good turn-in. "She rotates so nice" = good balance. Nice drifting at the end there.
I know most will disagree, but I love the Focus RS!
TDrew 3 I love it too man!👍
I love all cars and the Rally Heroes have always held a special place in my heart, ESPECIALLY Subaru's, but the new Impreza's look like Legacy's with large spoilers, plain and simple. The RS appeals to that rally heritage while not being the "Type R 12 year old fantasy". The only complaint I have of the car is the lack of seat options, seriously Ford, GIVE US THE DAMNED OPTION!!!!!!!!!
I gotta say, watching that focus drift looked really unnatural but highly entertaining!
305hp and 350hp from a $50k vehicle is absolutely pathetic. It's time the turbo 4-banger crowd stepped up the game.
Which is $50k?
in canada
thats dealer marked up and those stupid enough to buy it. have had some local dealers sell at retail.
***** I paid 41,150 for mine. So I win.
i guess you have never felt 350hp
nice review. I item a 16 sti and upgraded the rear sway bar and put a cross bar in the rear as well. made a big difference. I can't wait until my dunlops wear out to get some stickys.
Please do episode two! I have the new STI and my buddy has the RS. We constantly talk shit to each other. He mostly rips on my spoiler. And I say that his RS looks like a Prius with a sex change operation. So naturally have money riding on the STI for the win.
Prius with a sex change operation.... lmfao..😂
Bump for Round 2 battle between these two with mods!
Shortly after this video, the sti shits a ringland...
badams0311 Bet you dont even know what ringland means. You have obviously been reading all the forums filled with hearsay and chinese whispers. Everyone that posts anything about these 2.5 engines is copying what others have said, with no actual fact behind the stupid rumours. Current model from about 2015 has nothing wrong with it. A solid reliable car, built to last. Subaru wouldnt sell them if they had major issues.
The sliding Focus brings back memories of Focus WRC antics
A stock Jdm wrx sti (gc8) would put this thing to shame on a track I promise you
I wish more people understood this. And the fact that the 4.44 GC's could do 1/4 miles in the 12s.
Golf R with ACP stage 2 does 10s in quarter mile (automatic)
DeShawn Williams That's fast, but we're talking about a WRX from 1992 lol. The point was how a car almost 25 years has not improved power-to-weight wise.
+DeShawn Williams you are talking about a stage 2 golf r, then the sti would have to be stage 2 Aswel to compare them both
Shaeer Hassan In his defense, an STi is going to need a LOT more than "stage 2" to hit 10s.
I would of put the DCCD on the STi to one click down from full lock, it would of made the STi rotate more like the RS.
I've got a 2012 STi (hatchback) and I actually took the stock Dunlops off before they were worn out. Put some MIchelin Pilot Sport A/S 3 (yes, all-season) as "three season" tires to complement my winter tires and they were actually BETTER than the Dunlops, in spite of having double the treadwear ratng. TL;DR the stock Dunlops are poop.
I was also really happy with the substantial torque curve change in a Cobb stage 1 tune, the only power mod I've made for the car. It drives very differently in spite of using the most conservative ("crappy gas") map. Curious how much the RS will 'wake up' for similar money.
I'm also really happy with how my STi handles Edmonton winters. It feels unstoppable on ice, snow, etc, with a proper set of snow tires. Those mechanical diffs are something. The system in the RS is really interesting, and hopefully it holds up just as well...
The brake fade was a bit alarming though!
Cobbs map makes around 50hp and something like 80 Ft-lbs so the car should wake up quite a bit lol
first thing i saw were the brakes and the last thing i thought that even show any problems after 1 hot lap and the pricing i mean it looks cool never liked ford i've actually seen how ford puts there cars and trucks together....the car ok.....plastic everything noisey interiors the trucks...It should be illegal what they do the way the machines are set and i seen it in crashes they dont fully spot weld a-pillar or b-pillar they legit just....fall off.....but again the hatch is nice the mustangs are fun to drive other wise.....i prefer a 08 and under chevy or a nice hemi......or 08 and up but rebuilt motors.....or a Supra :)
I liked and subbed cuz of the way you said track battle haha. I already knew your personalities were for me! And then yalls talking affirmed that! I’m excited to see this raceee.
I don't get it, with 50HP more than the STI, it only gotten 2 secs better? It should be atleast 4 secs more. And having the DCCD on auto is not suitable for track. That's a daily driver mode. This comparison test is automatically a failure.
How do you figure? Go watch the GT350R vs the ZL1. Over 100 HP difference, and more disadvantage in torque and the difference was .39. Don't be sad the Subaru got slaughtered. 2 seconds around a track is an eternity.
the day will come, when youre on the track, downshifting and the engines goes *clatter clatter clatter* :D
don't worry subi fans. the 2018 sti is coming with the same motor that's in the s207. nuff said.
no one is worrying, this comparison was very weak. Focus has way more hp, torque and better tires and only won by a second, lmao
+Shawn Moses I don't think you realize how long a second is in the racing world.
badams0311 did you not here the focus has pilot cup 2 tires? Do not not understand that alone is a half second. Did you not her the driver telling us, he does not know how to race? Maybe you should watch the video in slow motion. Not everyone can drive a subaru fast. They need to get randy pobst to drive. The sti lost beat the cla45 amg. I'll take that over the focus. The rs is like someone putting a turbo on a go metro, it's fast but wtf, lmao
badams0311 by the way, the focus rs is .1 second faster to 60 mph and slower than the sti to 100mph and they run the same in the 1/4 mile but one has all this power, lmfao.
+Shawn Moses Again, you don't know a whole lot. But it's OK. I enjoy seeing all the butt hurt.
Nice review. I'm lucky enough to own a 2016 Subaru STI special edition and a 2014 Ford Focus ST (not the RS. It wasn't available then). I like to think this gives me some experience to comment on this review. Both are really fun cars with Manual Transmissions! I don't buy automatics, flappy paddles, or CVTs. First, it was painful to watch the driver grind the Subaru STI over it's front tires like that. The STI is famous for its adjustable center differential, but the reviewer doesn't use it!? Set the CDiff to minus one to the rear. Then carve turns like a pro. The STI is our family car and is great. A big Thank You to Ford for making the Focus RS, now that the excellent Mitsubishi Evo 10 (my previous car) is no longer available. I really like my Ford Focus ST. It is quick, smooth, handles great but is a tight fit for people and any luggage. The Focus RS must be even more fun than the ST since it has more power and AWD. Unfortunately it is still pretty small inside. And the seating position is just too high to really feel connected to the car. The Focus ST still handles great but the high, and very upright, seating position isn't sports car, it's economy car. Can't decide, get one of each! Long live the hot sport compact car!
Just wait a year for RS to buy used It will be half the price
Funny for me to come across this 4 years later and inform you the the Ford Focus rs never depreciated in price if only appreciated.
Maybe depends on the country but in usa they depreciated. Not as bad most cars though
i still want to see a battle between all projects you guys did once Connie is done haha awesome video as always!
I still love the STi.
Brandon H bro sti is better. This is not an accurate test. He could’ve hit some corners better and it would’ve change the time so this isn’t accurate. Plus the sti is like 6k cheaper. U put 6k in mods and it’s not even close
You can't stop SUCKING!!!!^^
@@brendanfogel4573 you a clown sti is garbage.
Wow I'm actually extremely surprised with how close they were. I mean 1.6s on a 1.25s lap is pretty big, but when you take into account the tires, the difference would be more like 0.8s, possibly less? And that's a 45hp, 55torque difference which is pretty huge.
Why wasn't it possible to do the test with the same tires? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of an accurate comparison? I mean tires make a HUGE difference on the track. I'm talking multiple seconds easily. I really like the RS and want one, but I'm not sold on it by this comparison. Comparing lap times of two cars with two different kinds of tires is simply inaccurate and biased to the car with better track tires.
Why would we test the cars with the same tires? Every other stock car comparo channel (motortrend being the biggest) tests the cars as they arrive on the show room floor so it would defeat our test if we decided to change the tires.
Speed Academy Yeah, that's true. I just thought it would be more accurate as far as showing each cars potential and how they compare to each other as machines by having them both on even footing. I mean how do we know which car performs better if they're not on an even playing field? I am a big fan of you guys though. Love your videos.
exactly, not to mention nobody drives like this on the road... like I give a flying F if one car was a second faster around a track after 2 laps, lol..that could be driver error as well -- truthfully though why anybody would want an AWD car with summer sports on them is beyond me. The point of AWD is to drive in all sorts of weather, and terrain, you know... the reason it was created. The first thing I would do if I bought (or leased) either car, would be to put some practical all season tires that had some performance grip. I had pure summer tires on my A4 a few years back and got hit with some early season snow and the difference in 3 inches of snow was night and day. Still "driveable" but no where near as reassuring as a good all season.
Bodhi Safa Yeah, that's true but once AWD cars started to win the Pikes Peak Hill Climb and dominate rally racing they became a whole new breed of performance car. Now even the fastest super, and even hyper cars, are AWD. The Porsche 918, Lamborghini Aventador SV and McLaren P1 are the three fastest production cars in the world right now and are all AWD.
separator94 that's because they launch better, keeping the power to all 4 wheels and avoiding slippage but let's be real here you aren't going to see any of those cars driving around your neighborhood. We are talking about a 35k to 40K car here. I don't need track tires on my focus or WRX. That's pointless unless you live in state where it's always dry.
Haven't even made to the end and already better than Motortrends "Head 2 Head".
Thank you! Big compliment!
bring an evo x
Exactly....word
Car is no longer made... why compare cars you can't purchased new anymore?
elcouz because its an awd of similar power, and weight in the same category. Not only that but some would argue that the Evo X to had a better handling powertrain than the STI.
elcouz you can still purchase a final edition evo x brand new at some dealers. You just have to look harder which makes it more rare and is a good thing.
The headrest has a variable pitch. Just pull it forward, and it'll eventually recent. It ratchets. :D
he was scared to push the RS.
909cobra more likely push it to the nearest garage when it breaks down.
That guy knows how to drift, really fun video to watch
You guys have to watch Matt Farah's chase cam instructional video he made at Gridlife... in other words, get way closer in there!
Pete already told Dave that the chase car needs to be pretty much on the bumper of the rear car, especially when shooting with a GoPro. Next chase car we do will be way better.
To be fair the chase car driver has never done it before. Also I believe he was scared to smash up his custom 86 Subaru Leone.
Never mention Fatt Farah again. Ever.
whispers...
maaaattt faaaraaah
ahhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
the sti have a well known turbo lag issue, and I'm pretty sure that the awd and the neutral position of the boxer gives some advantages on the track
He's doing a lap time and not being sure what gears to use....he should be reviewing lawn mowers instead.
He is prolly one of the fastest driver at Cayuga....
The soundtrack of the chase camera car at the end 😍😍😍
subaru sti all day
Why?
Matt R C because the other one is a Ford.
+Pitties, a WRX and More yes thank you my first car was a 2002 wrx bugeye my second was a blobeye wrx and the one am driving right now well my summer car 2006 hawkeye sti and my everyday car is a impreza my whole family are scooby lovers my mom my dad they drive outback and forester my brother brz my sister hatchback impreza
Hur Dur, its A Ford. Look at me, All i can do is hate because Subaru doesn't win dick shit in competition and nobody really wants an Impreza.
factory black rubber boots and a nissan lazyeyes r32
Finalmente un americano che non si limita alle gare di accellerazione
The Sti is a better car. The RS is 5k over msrp that's around 45-44k for a focus. You can get an sti for 36k. And the ford always take a hit in resale. I'm in Las Vegas. In California the rs is selling for almost 7k over. 46k for a focus lol no thanks
You don't know RS sales. RS holds it's value far better than any Subaru. Even 1996 Escort RS models go for $30k and Focus RS models are always twice the price of used Subarus. Right now in the trader a 2009 Focus RS is 24K euro and a 2010 sti is 15k euros. People are willing to pay more for an RS than a STI every time hence why dealers mark them up and you can get deals on STI's.
It hold the value becouse it was a very limited car. But not anymore, they will build 8,500 RS build for the North American market at the end of 2017.
Slowpo Slowpo
Well they sold 4000 in the uk alone of the 2nd generation which has only a fifth the population of USA so they will be every bit and more as rare in the US at 8500. STI sales in the UK are less than that of the Focus RS and so is more rare but loses value much quicker. The RS badge is valuable and collector worthy.
"The RS is 5k over msrp that's around 45-44k for a focus." Yeah, okay... OH LOOK, literally took me 30 seconds to see that's a bullshit statement.
www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=461423804&zip=38506&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D38506%26startYear%3D2017%26numRecords%3D100%26incremental%3Dall%26endYear%3D2019%26modelCodeList%3DFOCUS%26makeCodeList%3DFORD%26featureCodes%3D1132%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceASC%26maxPrice%3D40000%26firstRecord%3D0%26searchRadius%3D500%26trimCodeList%3DFOCUS%257CRS&startYear=2017&numRecords=100&maxPrice=40000&firstRecord=0&endYear=2019&modelCodeList=FOCUS&makeCodeList=FORD&searchRadius=500&makeCode1=FORD&modelCode1=FOCUS
please do a vid on the camera car! If this is the subaru leone that had a huge build on nasioc it was awesome!
We're trying to convince the owner to let us drive it in the spring!
Yes I would really Like to see the Chase car vid. Please be successful lol
You can trash talk the Subaru all u guys want... and deep the ford in chocolate and gold ... but i will prefer STI over any American pS.
Jaylo 2873 it's German
Not_Bill_Nye It’s American idiot
You said you like playing with knobs... hehehe. Great video guys. The chase car sounds fantabulous!
theres no comparison really. focus is fugly.
Lol they're both ugly. And I have a wrx
lol you bought a car you dont like? As a car salesman I've never sold a car to someone who didn't like the way it looked.
Yup, do not like hatchbacks. I don't understand how they look sexy? I don't get it? I don't even like the color. Not sexy at all. I'm a girl, and if my man drove the RS, I wouldn't get in it. I'd be turned off. ...but if he drove an STI (like me), I'd be totally game!
Hit that STI with some tires, sway bar......and 45 more horses. Then do part 1 over again. Lol
I haven't even watched the video yet - but the RS wins because Subaru hit the WRX waaaaay too hard with the ugly stick.
Great vid. The RS wins again, and again, and again. If anything, maybe this will be a wake up call to Suby and VW. RIP Evo. :(
Ford focus ..haha garbage ! stop trying to copy Subaru. Ford, you will never get the awd , reliability and performance as you would in a Subaru.
Ford's been making hot hatches overseas for a long time. They're not new to the game. The past few years they've just begun bringing them to the US.
I lol'd when I read reliability and Subaru in the same sentence
Subarus are reliable? Hah!
jimmie frost You do know that Ford was winning rallies with the awd turbo Escort Cosworth before Subaru and Mitsubishi joined the party. This is just Ford taking its crown from the pretender.
jimmie frost Subaru reliable? lol are you OK there kiddo? need some mental help?
Great video loved it !!!! Keep them coming !
Smart RS owner knows where the future is! Better order some Ringlands for that Sti
been my experience that boxer motors are unreliable as hell. so of course i own a modified porsche and a modified sti. lol.
on the other hand ive had several cars with built inline 4s. never had problems. they just go and go and go. had a d series Honda civic with a turbo on a built motor. put out 350whp and i beat the crap out of that car. sold it with 40k miles on that motor and it worked like new.
Did you notice the lack of lift off oversteer in the RS? Also it crazy how the RS rewards you for getting back on throttle early through corners SO MUCH FUN!
In some corners it would oversteer exceptionally well when lifting off the throttle in others not so much. Electronic diff is most likely the culprit.
Dat drifting at the end doe....
Nice work guys 👍. Blake, looks like we have some hooning to do at the track next weekend...
badams0311 I'm so down!!!!
+Blake's Garage hopefully the tires won't be corded by the end of the day so I can drive it home haha
As an STi owner I'm glad to see the focus stepping up. With the exit of the evo, soob needs a kick up the arse.
an STI can rotate really nice just maybe harder in stock form(safety reasons). i do it on GT SPORT. break, whip the wheel and mash the gas
Would’ve been a perfect review if they would drag race the two cars, but they didn’t.
The entire video suffered from turbo lag, i'll wait for part 2 when it kicks in...
Nice video BTW, thank you!
Yeah, have to compare on the same tire for sure.
If you are using the GoPro hero4 I would recommend turning the spot meter on so that you get proper exterior exposure when shooting from inside the car. Love your guys stuff, keep it up!
Spot metering picked the dash to meter off of in this high dashed cars. I should have just manually turned the exposure down. Next time.
the sti looked like a handful. the rs sounded amazing.
part 2 would be awesome!
more vids just like this please!
Can't watch the bits with your head bobbing all over
That white camry was fast as hell.
I lol every time I hear ya'll say ":Lets make some jam!". I love it, thank you for all you do!
Such an aaesome video good job