This video is funny. As a subscriber of sams channel, he is totally lost when you talk technically about the modifications. In the U.K. You get your car wrapped, fit a better exhaust and a carbon wing, that's it, nothing more. Haha Sam, back to normal soon mate.
I'm sure when people have more tune history on the RS's you'll start seeing a tune add 30-40hp to the wheels. I have no doubt overtime that a basic bolt-on RS will be hitting 350-370hp to the wheels. New wrx's are hitting 300-325hp with the basic bolt-on's so I'm sure the RS can get much high numbers
Watching this only makes me want a Focus RS more! I've not even driven one yet but my heart is pretty much set on one! Cool video Matt and nice to see Sam from STG as well.
+thesmokingtire i used a cad program to trace the area under the hp/tq curves and the area for hp is up ~48% and tq is ~36%. i couldnt believe it so i did it again.
If you had an approximate function for the graph (possible by running a quadratic regression maybe?) you could integrate that function over the RPM range and get more exact numbers for comparison to other cars
The first thing I would do on this car would be to optimize the suspension. The car is far too stiff for no reason. A bit more supple and comfortable suspension would make this car A LOT more fun to own.
T-WRX I'm always nervous driving viewers unpredictable cars (like a 870HP M5 I drove or even the c63S I took out). Sometimes it's scarier being a passenger unless on a track with a pro driver.
I'm really curious to see how the AWD system handles in the snow versus something like subaru or audi quattro. Chance you will take this to tahoe or somewhere you guys have snow anytime soon?
How do you think something like your RS would fair on the FIRM rally courses you did in Florida? I'm sure suspension would need to be swapped to something softer
I was just about to comment on how much his passenger looks like Sam of Seen Through Glass then I read the description! Good to see him getting around a bit.
He's not really a car guy Matt. It's not a big deal but I really like the kind of guests you've had on so far. So I hope these 'TH-cam celebrities' appearances don't become a frequent part of your series.
Seige CJ it's not about featuring other YT celebs really. Sam came to La and we had a chat on the podcast and he asked to come hang. He was a cool dude.
And Matt, I have a quick question. When you had your Mini; did you have a short shift kit in it, and if so, which one? I'm looking for a short shift kit for mine, but I can't find one I'm a fan of.
Doublevanoz Is that why, Matt knows every single part when he asks guests what they have done to the car? Also, Chris Harris is his friend. He's pretty handy. You're the idiot here...
Doublevanoz Where did i say you were referring to every Brit? I have no idea who the others are. Also where did i say Matt was British? I think you need your eyes checking... Also liking your own comment is pretty tragic..
TOTALLY agree... All those guys across the pond are rich kid show offs. They do it simply for the attention and are not true car lovers. I can't stand any of them!!!
The car is so good but the noise is soooo disappointing when you hear it after the mk2 Focus RS and the 5 cylinder. From a technical perspective the new Focus RS is better in every way. But from a character standpoint and a car you can fall in love with, it falls way shorter.
This will probably get buried in the comments, but just wanted to say, a big thanks for disclosing the information about the Magnaflow and Mountune USA (free) parts and installation within the information field. This openness further bolsters my support for your channel and everything you do. Speaking of which, could you reply with a link to purchase a shirt? Onward amigo.
Simple Skyline If Subaru makes a new hatchback STi with a new engine, about a 90% chance I'll buy one. Electronically adjustable suspension, going from 2010 STi soft to Focus RS hard and that goes to 100%.
On another review, they talk about track mode and the fact that you can still adjust the suspension in that mode. They said it was the best of both worlds. You get all of the rest of the handling and power and a more compliant suspension. They really gave it a lot of flexibility.
Pennywise For now. How long before we see cams, heads, intake, and exhaust on that thing. It already has all the suspension parts on it and we know that motor can put down better numbers on pump gas. Not only that they're probably comparable in weight too.
nezerac mustang is 340 lbs lighter than the RS, but right now it's down on power too. Mustang makes 270 WHP and 300 WTQ, which is fun. But like you said, now that I have suspension, brake, and tire to back it up, next year I'm gonna add some power. AFR heads, probably, and I'm really feeling that ITB setup too. So sick. After that should be making 350 WHP and quite stout.
Can you do an in-car side-by-side comparison video between the normal and stiff suspension modes? That brief period in the video when Matt put the suspension into it's stiff setting; it was visible how harsh the ride got. I think a side-by-side would be interesting.
TWIRKNOLOVE that's not true. cars like turbo cobalt and srt4 used bigger turbos. and like the other guy said, even the k04 is small. its able to hold about 20psi to redline, but still small. both are about the size of your fist
It weighs 1599kg, though. That's fat for a hatch by anyone's measure. As a result, the stock car has no better a power to weight ratio than a '95 WRX STI, E36 M3 or RX7 Bathurst. Even tuned, it's the same as a 1984 Testarossa or 2003 Jag XJR.
the RS's AWD platform is one of the best/much better than any AWD car you mentioned. Using LC, on a tuned RS, I would expect a mid/low 4s 0-60. With cup 2 tires, low 4's more likely.
In the US, the tune is not under warranty. A normal every day Joe, would have a difficult time getting any engine work covered with this set up. Matt may get covered, only because the dealership knows how much bad press he could release about them.
Matthew Donovan tune doesn't void warranty if it didn't cause the failure hard to get it cover but I've blown turbos and had them replaced; also ford racing&moutune are covered if installed by dealer including their tunes
Haha, damn. So weird though, I've heard of the stock transmission being able to handle 350hp no problem. Maybe it was his first manual? :-D Anyway, thank you for the response, love your videos.
That fiesta owner did admit that he trashed those transmissions. Flat shifting and slamming it into gear every shift will result in the same outcome no matter the car.
Got my 17 fully loaded for $34,588 new before taxes a few months ago. A new base model RS was around 32,500 after negotiating before taxes. Def the time to get a ~2017. 18s are still 42+
Matt, there's a secret 5th drive mode on the RS. It's track mode with normal suspension and traction enabled. It makes the car very long liveable. Check it out in YT. Video is: Focus RS secret fifth drive mode.
This is a modern trend in 4 cylinder cars. Running the turbos off the map stock with undersized turbine. The first thing I'd do in any of these vehicles is sacrifice 1500 rpm spool for a turbo that makes power another 1500 RPM to fuel cut. I hate cars that lose urgency top end, it's underwhelming, boring and disappointing every single time you go through the gears. This is why I like 6 cylinders with huge turbos. You've still got enough torque to daily drive without it being horrible (because you're driving normally) but makes power until you take your foot out of it. Also, I don't race from 2800-4000 rpm but for 2 seconds in first gear. The rest of that, we never see that RPM again.
+Beau Mancini "Also, I don't race from 2800-4000 rpm but for 2 seconds in first gear. The rest of that, we never see that RPM again." Then perhaps you should spend less time at the drag strip...
koopatroopa187 trying to be nice here, but why do you suggest I only give that throttle the boot at the drag strip? Matt isn't in any video. if you find yourself under 4000 rpm, switch gears. unless of course you're trying to set a car up for Christmas: Mall Parking Lot Nationals trials (autocross) I'd still say you're in the wrong gear anyways. there really isn't a time if you're properly racing where you're stuck in low rpms, so not sure what you hoped to gain mentioning it. and lastly of course when I'm not racing around, i don't need ask of that power around town when I spend the time at low Rpm.
Beau Mancini Because some courses have very tight turns where shifting into first is going to do nothing but require you to shift again in another second while gaining no speed because you're sitting on the rev limiter, so it would be beneficial to just let the revs fall and let your gearing and/or torque get you back up to speed. There is a reason why most race cars produce massive amounts of torque at the lower RPMs. Also, you're going to get bogged down in traffic anyways, or do you not spend any time in traffic much like you spend no time in the lower spectrum of the tachometer?
nothing to see here i agree they have lots of potential but seems like alot of people that buy them are somewhat disapointed because they expected more. I test drove one cause i was going to trade my car for one but honestly besides launch control its not all that. its pretty quick not as quick as i thought it would be but doesnt sound all that great and definitely isnt worth the money I'd rather take the 5.0 since they're around the same price
Matt, you have impeccable taste in cars. (coming from a guy who only owns two performance cars: the RS in Nitrous Blue with similar Mountune upgrades...but no exhaust yet) and an Avalanche Grey GT350R with black stripes as seen in a few of your videos.) I like your review work, Matt. Oh, and you make me want to get a FiST to play with as well.
Good on you Matt for telling us what we kind of already thought.... Parts for free. Also all that for $2800 doesn't seem too bad. What was it, 23 more hp and 91 torque? Pretty good for less than 3k plus the exhaust and short shifter.
Some of the best car reviewers are British eg Cris Harris,Harry Catchpole ,harry of Harry's garage etc Matt is my favorite american reviewer his knowledge on the cars he reviews is awesome.regards from NZ
Matt, you should build a monster out of this car. I'm sure there would be more than one company willing to sponsor you! Great videos man, I'm building a turbo V8 Miata. If you ever find yourself in Houston, I'd like for you to take it for a spin.
I sure hope those RS rods are stout. Coming from the perspective of the Ecoboost engine's older cousin (the MZR DISI 2.3 Turbo in Mazdaspeed 3s/6s), seeing that much torque spiking that quickly that low in the powerband makes me pucker. Those rods are seeing tremendous forces. For comparison, I'm tuned to stay at only 380wtq, and my peak is @4,300 or so. The ramp-up is also tuned to be slower as well. Basically, we were very intentional about torque management because the alternative is a vented block. Practical wisdom and 10 years of platform experience/vetting out has shown I'm at the upper "safe" range with this type of tuning strategy. Then again, blowing up RSes is how you'll find the limits - a very important first step in the modding community surrounding a new platform. But I don't wish that on you! (To be clear.) Hope you have many, many miles of fun with the RS. Also, you may want to go up to a full 3" exhaust. When I did my mild turbo upgrade, I got stuck at 360whp. I had full 3" all the way to the axle-back, a stock 2.5" muffler. Just finishing out that with 3" and a Magnaflow 14419 (which sounds AMAZING) had me at 395whp on the very next run (same tune and everything). Basically, my car was choking. That 2.75" should take you further, but practical wisdom is 4" is the sweet spot for ~400whp (not that you're there quite yet, but with WMI or a little ethanol, I'm sure you easily could be by adding timing). It could help address your power falling off at redline too.
TheSmokingTire FYI, the Mazdaspeed has forged rods from the factory as well. Just be careful; "forged" and "strong" are associated, but not guaranteed. Many companies have already begun making stronger engine internals for the RS, including stronger forged rods.
I've always wondered about all the torque down low like that. Has to be hard on the rod bearing too I would think. Also curious how long the stock turbos will last after a tune.
***** You would think, but apparently the ST'es are having some growing pains. I'm not too familiar with details on this, but some folks in the ST community were telling me about it. Honestly, I think it's just an inescapable fact of a new platform's growth/development.
You're gonna love your car with this boost weather we are having. Boost comes on so aggressive right now in the 50f mornings. Have you tried getting the car Dyno'ed on a Dynapack system? I am sure a road tune would make the finishing touches but sounds like the car is being dynoed with less load than it has on the road.
Hey Matt- nice scooter there brother, and thanks for the ride. Note: Any concerns about additional stress on your "driveline components." I'm sure Mountune USA has addressed these concerns, but wanted to know personally as I'm in the same ride, but not ready to void warranties at this point... Like to hear your take on this.
Disclaimer, I'm not sure if this was taken care of by your tune - however, your engine performance is optimized by putting it in track mode, and you can compensate for the stiffness by setting the dampers back to a more comfortable ride setting by using a knob on the left side of your steering wheel. I know this works for a stock RS, not sure if your aftermarket tube took care of that...
Ryan McCahill with this tune you get full beans in all modes. Sport only changes throttle sensitivity and exhaust valve, and track only does suspension now.
Matt, that's sort of what I figured, but I know from a friend that on the stock RS he would set it to track mode and dial back the stiffness with the adjustment knob. Big fan of the podcast, I know you are hot and cold on this car. Lately from what I hear you are enjoying it more, for a while there you were considering selling it. I would love to see an update video on your impressions now that you have had the car for a minute. Anyway - Thanks for your content buddy, glad to be a supporter.
WOT122 Gains are pretty meh tbh. "Area under the curve" gains with very little peak gains is the best you can do when the turbo is maxed out from the factory. Makes sense since cars are pretty well engineered these days, at least in regards to being built to a spec.
+David Schwartz "Area under the curve" gains are great for a daily driver that's constantly dealing with red lights, stop and go traffic, and passing left lane assholes. I wouldn't trade that for all top end gains. And he's not even done making gains. He's running 91 octane, and a stock downpipe.
David Schwartz Oh I completely agree it's maxed out above 5.5k rpm, but there's more gains to be had below that. And there's more gains to be had everywhere via ignition timing advance. 91 octane doesn't afford much timing.
Not very much bro. I mean the first bump is usually the biggest and he only gained about 25 whp. Similar mods on a Subaru sti (downpipe, intake, tune) gains about 2-3 times that. I mean it's basically maxed out from the factory, minimal gains to be had everywhere unless you do a turbo swap. I wonder what drive train upgrades are needed at that point too.
Great video - as always, Matt & congrats on the gains! I noticed the driveline to 2 wheels were disconnected during the dyno pulls. Would this not skew the numbers - making them significantly higher than putting power to all 4 wheels, though???
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Thanks for letting me tag along! Awesome day
You're welcome.
pleasiness
To pleasure your wife douche!
God Sam is irritating!
It was cool to see you on Matt's channel. Next, Matt has to go to the UK.
"Diana was hot" Damn it Matt, that was savage! LOL
I preferred, "Di would get it." Haha
This video is funny. As a subscriber of sams channel, he is totally lost when you talk technically about the modifications. In the U.K. You get your car wrapped, fit a better exhaust and a carbon wing, that's it, nothing more. Haha Sam, back to normal soon mate.
I think seeing the possibilities US car culture holds has been good for Sam. :)
Lots of people tuning cars in UK. Mountune is a British company.
I was referring more about the youtubers like Sam, Paul, Tim, James, ect. I wasn't very clear.
I'd say it depends on the wrap. Some wraps don't even get into the door jambs so, as you would imagine, they don't make much power.
Speak for yourself. Shallow cretins like StG and Shmee do, some of the authentic people in this country still do it right.
Just got an RS for Christmas from my wife and my mother.... Totally didn't expect that for Christmas. I'm happy af rn
Car looks and sounds great Matt! I wish they were a little cheaper out of the box though, would be an awesome daily.
you and Sam work good together. happy to finally see your RS. Also your videos make my commute to work so much easier and almost a new video Everytime
I'm sure when people have more tune history on the RS's you'll start seeing a tune add 30-40hp to the wheels. I have no doubt overtime that a basic bolt-on RS will be hitting 350-370hp to the wheels. New wrx's are hitting 300-325hp with the basic bolt-on's so I'm sure the RS can get much high numbers
What engine same as regular ford focus ?
glad to see Sam here my favourite carvlogger/spotter other than Mr Jww😀
Oh the banter!!!
Lovely stuff
Damn! it's so cool seeing 2 youtubers you've been watching separately for a while in the same video now :D love it
Oee...the perks of having a car review channel!! Well deserved though! You're doing a fine job Matt 👌
Watching this only makes me want a Focus RS more! I've not even driven one yet but my heart is pretty much set on one! Cool video Matt and nice to see Sam from STG as well.
That poor Porsche owner, he spent the entire video trying to find his engine under the open hood.
CJ DASHCAM Ha!
Lmfao!
Where is the Porsche owner?
Mountune are good guys and build solid stuff, neat to see it on a RS.
+thesmokingtire i used a cad program to trace the area under the hp/tq curves and the area for hp is up ~48% and tq is ~36%. i couldnt believe it so i did it again.
Marc Monson thanks for that! Very cool!
TheSmokingTire It's a nice built Matt congratulations. If you can get more stuff for free in this car you should and just drive the heck of it.
If you had an approximate function for the graph (possible by running a quadratic regression maybe?) you could integrate that function over the RPM range and get more exact numbers for comparison to other cars
The first thing I would do on this car would be to optimize the suspension. The car is far too stiff for no reason. A bit more supple and comfortable suspension would make this car A LOT more fun to own.
How the hell did it pick up so much torque? Good lord!
came for the Tuned RS, and was pleasantly surprised to see Sam sat there at the start of the video
"Area under the curve"...so many calculus feels.
I love seeing new videos from you every morning, I love starting my day watching your videos! Thanks Matt keep them coming!
"Hello one and all, and welcome to seen through smoking tires"
I'll allow it.
reekris! the real estate freed up on that new torque curve is impressive!
It wasn't clear in the video but does this car rip?
That before and after curve is juicy. Ordering my RS this weekend, the mountune go faster bits are definitely gonna be the first items on the menu.
Sam looks so freakin nervous haha
T-WRX Cuz Matt is leagues ahead of Sam in terms of mechanical knowledge. I'm a fan and subscribed to both of them so no hate.
Tibor Pandza Totally agree my friend.
T-WRX he did too much cocaine before seeing matt to hype himself up
T-WRX I'm always nervous driving viewers unpredictable cars (like a 870HP M5 I drove or even the c63S I took out). Sometimes it's scarier being a passenger unless on a track with a pro driver.
Wow those gains down low are nuts. I wish i had that 2.3 in my ST
I'm really curious to see how the AWD system handles in the snow versus something like subaru or audi quattro. Chance you will take this to tahoe or somewhere you guys have snow anytime soon?
Jeff E zero
How do you think something like your RS would fair on the FIRM rally courses you did in Florida? I'm sure suspension would need to be swapped to something softer
I was just about to comment on how much his passenger looks like Sam of Seen Through Glass then I read the description! Good to see him getting around a bit.
He's not really a car guy Matt. It's not a big deal but I really like the kind of guests you've had on so far. So I hope these 'TH-cam celebrities' appearances don't become a frequent part of your series.
Seige CJ it's not about featuring other YT celebs really. Sam came to La and we had a chat on the podcast and he asked to come hang. He was a cool dude.
No worries Matt. I'm sure he's a thoroughly nice bloke, but not a fan of his content. I'm looking forward to the next one take as ever!
Ah ok so you don’t watch sam and yet you can say from this one video he’s not a car guy? Ok
That blue looks very nice in the sun.
And Matt, I have a quick question. When you had your Mini; did you have a short shift kit in it, and if so, which one?
I'm looking for a short shift kit for mine, but I can't find one I'm a fan of.
Dr. Weird yes I had the M7 kit
So glad to see Sam in this one!
Sam appears to have 0 mechanical knowledge.
Doublevanoz Is that why, Matt knows every single part when he asks guests what they have done to the car? Also, Chris Harris is his friend. He's pretty handy. You're the idiot here...
Doublevanoz Where did i say you were referring to every Brit? I have no idea who the others are. Also where did i say Matt was British? I think you need your eyes checking...
Also liking your own comment is pretty tragic..
FYI, it's not Britt. There's no double T in Great Britain.
Doublevanoz Were you touched as a child?
TOTALLY agree... All those guys across the pond are rich kid show offs. They do it simply for the attention and are not true car lovers. I can't stand any of them!!!
Awesome to see Sam there!
The car is so good but the noise is soooo disappointing when you hear it after the mk2 Focus RS and the 5 cylinder. From a technical perspective the new Focus RS is better in every way. But from a character standpoint and a car you can fall in love with, it falls way shorter.
I love this new Drive Through Smoking Glass show
Matt Farah
What's more fun to drive up in the canyon your focus rs or the fiesta st?
David P12 on the very tight stuff the fiesta. On the more open roads the focus
This will probably get buried in the comments, but just wanted to say, a big thanks for disclosing the information about the Magnaflow and Mountune USA (free) parts and installation within the information field. This openness further bolsters my support for your channel and everything you do. Speaking of which, could you reply with a link to purchase a shirt?
Onward amigo.
sti needs a hatchback for the new models
Simple Skyline I would a STI needs a whole new engine
Simple Skyline please no.
Simple Skyline If Subaru makes a new hatchback STi with a new engine, about a 90% chance I'll buy one. Electronically adjustable suspension, going from 2010 STi soft to Focus RS hard and that goes to 100%.
David Schwartz that would be like a dream car
On another review, they talk about track mode and the fact that you can still adjust the suspension in that mode. They said it was the best of both worlds. You get all of the rest of the handling and power and a more compliant suspension. They really gave it a lot of flexibility.
Think about this guys...this is Matt's "SLOW Car". lmao!!
nezerac matts the only person that thinks 350 hp is slow. Lol😂
The RS is faster than his Mustang
Pennywise
For now. How long before we see cams, heads, intake, and exhaust on that thing. It already has all the suspension parts on it and we know that motor can put down better numbers on pump gas. Not only that they're probably comparable in weight too.
nezerac mustang is 340 lbs lighter than the RS, but right now it's down on power too. Mustang makes 270 WHP and 300 WTQ, which is fun. But like you said, now that I have suspension, brake, and tire to back it up, next year I'm gonna add some power. AFR heads, probably, and I'm really feeling that ITB setup too. So sick. After that should be making 350 WHP and quite stout.
TheSmokingTire
It's like you have the voice of angels right now. lol. That sounds so badass. lol. Jesus you'd literally have a movie car.
Can you do an in-car side-by-side comparison video between the normal and stiff suspension modes?
That brief period in the video when Matt put the suspension into it's stiff setting; it was visible how harsh the ride got. I think a side-by-side would be interesting.
Volkswagen uses big turbos lol. maybe on their golf r but everything else is tiny. sorry, I laughed. never heard someone say a k03 was big.
k04 aint big either
Big relative to the motor - not in itself, lol. Every manufacture uses a 'small turbo' on their cars.
TWIRKNOLOVE It's not even big relative to a 2.0 liter
TWIRKNOLOVE that's not true. cars like turbo cobalt and srt4 used bigger turbos. and like the other guy said, even the k04 is small. its able to hold about 20psi to redline, but still small. both are about the size of your fist
Teh RedSpade I agree with what u said, except I believe the turbo cobalt had a twin scroll k04.
Sounds fantastic, this time next year the RS will be getting took further, bigger turbo etc and seeing what it can really do
have you gauged a 0-60 time? i mean 350 whp is a TON in that car. does it do 4s??
It weighs 1599kg, though. That's fat for a hatch by anyone's measure. As a result, the stock car has no better a power to weight ratio than a '95 WRX STI, E36 M3 or RX7 Bathurst. Even tuned, it's the same as a 1984 Testarossa or 2003 Jag XJR.
the RS's AWD platform is one of the best/much better than any AWD car you mentioned. Using LC, on a tuned RS, I would expect a mid/low 4s 0-60. With cup 2 tires, low 4's more likely.
Boden Whitmore 4.7 is stock. This specific car can do 4.4 maybe 4.5
my 2 favorite car youtubers together.. a rare treat you should have let sean drive though
isn't that on a lease
Harry Henderson "Write Off"
alexlaverde14 who cares the stuff was free. I'm sure he kept the stock parts.
Mountune parts still maintain the warranty.
In the US, the tune is not under warranty. A normal every day Joe, would have a difficult time getting any engine work covered with this set up. Matt may get covered, only because the dealership knows how much bad press he could release about them.
Matthew Donovan tune doesn't void warranty if it didn't cause the failure hard to get it cover but I've blown turbos and had them replaced; also ford racing&moutune are covered if installed by dealer including their tunes
So cool to see Sam on a One Take!
BIg turbo fiesta vs Your RS with mods, pros and cons of each?
Steven Lopez mine probably won't go through 3 transmissions in 30,000 miles. I can pretty much stop there
Haha, damn. So weird though, I've heard of the stock transmission being able to handle 350hp no problem. Maybe it was his first manual? :-D Anyway, thank you for the response, love your videos.
I'm sure the focus has way less lag
TheSmokingTire maybe the factory tune protects the drivetrain, based on how the torque was delivered.
That fiesta owner did admit that he trashed those transmissions. Flat shifting and slamming it into gear every shift will result in the same outcome no matter the car.
Nice canyon Carver Matt.....mountinan turned an already nice car into a Mini Monster... good show matt
It is a nice car and Mountune parts are great - but that shifter knob is hideous.
Finally Matt! I've been waiting for this vid for a long time
hey matt didnt u want to buy gt350r?
sahiel5 yes but ford didn't want to sell me one
TheSmokingTire
i dont know are u serious or joking
any way cool ride
sahiel5 serious.
TheSmokingTire
FUCK WHAT????
man why? u alweys praise their products
so i dont see a rason not to
Did they give you a reason?
Being a Subaru fan boy for most my life. I find joy in this car.
wow ford left masses of power hidden away !!
Dude I watched my first video 6 days ago, now my fiance has me sleeping on the couch. ADDICTED!!!
Local San Diego dealer wanted $55k plus tax....I walked out LMAO!
G. Warren you can get them used for under $30,000 now
Got my 17 fully loaded for $34,588 new before taxes a few months ago.
A new base model RS was around 32,500 after negotiating before taxes.
Def the time to get a ~2017.
18s are still 42+
Pretty amazing at how much torque that uncorked! Gotta love direct injection engines.
*When Matt out of the car, the car regained 500HP*
Jimmy Christian Matt weighs down every car like lose some Fckn weight. Fckn diabetes
For us Italian that road is like an highway. Try the streets through the Alps, those are pure fun!
Caost love the Swiss/Italian alps. Truly the best driving in the world. I can't wait to return
M140I Still merks it at stock and sounds better!
London Cars and Games Looks much better aswell
and looks much uglier
Imad S you need an eye test my friend
not as much as you buddy, ive read more dislike towards its looks than likes. you must be the odd ball and thats fine lol.
Different people like different things.
Matt, there's a secret 5th drive mode on the RS. It's track mode with normal suspension and traction enabled. It makes the car very long liveable. Check it out in YT. Video is: Focus RS secret fifth drive mode.
As a Focus ST driver, I love the RS but for the money that it costs to own one, I'd much rather get a better car.
You can have a thumbs up just for having Sam with you
PEERRKY BOYOS!
This episode was hilarious! Love the mods! You know that this car is going to be worth something someday...
Wow, that engine has a WEAK powerband, before and after... the torque just drops off a cliff after 5500.
Artyom Timiryazevskaya imagine seeing one literally driving off a cliff at 5500 😂
This is a modern trend in 4 cylinder cars.
Running the turbos off the map stock with undersized turbine.
The first thing I'd do in any of these vehicles is sacrifice 1500 rpm spool for a turbo that makes power another 1500 RPM to fuel cut. I hate cars that lose urgency top end, it's underwhelming, boring and disappointing every single time you go through the gears.
This is why I like 6 cylinders with huge turbos. You've still got enough torque to daily drive without it being horrible (because you're driving normally) but makes power until you take your foot out of it.
Also, I don't race from 2800-4000 rpm but for 2 seconds in first gear. The rest of that, we never see that RPM again.
+Beau Mancini "Also, I don't race from 2800-4000 rpm but for 2 seconds in first gear. The rest of that, we never see that RPM again." Then perhaps you should spend less time at the drag strip...
koopatroopa187 trying to be nice here, but why do you suggest I only give that throttle the boot at the drag strip? Matt isn't in any video. if you find yourself under 4000 rpm, switch gears. unless of course you're trying to set a car up for Christmas: Mall Parking Lot Nationals trials (autocross) I'd still say you're in the wrong gear anyways.
there really isn't a time if you're properly racing where you're stuck in low rpms, so not sure what you hoped to gain mentioning it. and lastly of course when I'm not racing around, i don't need ask of that power around town when I spend the time at low Rpm.
Beau Mancini Because some courses have very tight turns where shifting into first is going to do nothing but require you to shift again in another second while gaining no speed because you're sitting on the rev limiter, so it would be beneficial to just let the revs fall and let your gearing and/or torque get you back up to speed. There is a reason why most race cars produce massive amounts of torque at the lower RPMs. Also, you're going to get bogged down in traffic anyways, or do you not spend any time in traffic much like you spend no time in the lower spectrum of the tachometer?
Angels Crest? cool vid, very honest look at this great car/upgrades
I do apologise we aren't all a bell end from England.
I hate Sam too, he is so annoying, giving England a bad name!
Kinda cool to see Sam from Seen Through Glass on here...
We don't need that girl in America!
This car is so overhyped and overpriced. I don't care for the sound and it doesn't seem to go that fast. Sell it to some fanboy.
nothing to see here i agree they have lots of potential but seems like alot of people that buy them are somewhat disapointed because they expected more. I test drove one cause i was going to trade my car for one but honestly besides launch control its not all that. its pretty quick not as quick as i thought it would be but doesnt sound all that great and definitely isnt worth the money I'd rather take the 5.0 since they're around the same price
boosted 2.4 that's what I was thinking, why get this hatch when you could get a 5.0?
nothing to see here exactly bro theres so many cars out there that are alot better for the money
+boosted 2.4 yeah but are there better cars in this category for the money ?
Colin Mcray1997 for the money? Meaning 50k? Because that's how inflated the price is at dealerships right now
You and Sam have great chemistry on camera. I watched the video with you on his channel as well. I hope one of you visits the other again soon!
"It's like a terrier." Perfect statement, Sam.
really like the combination of you guys^^ also the vid with sams rental car take over was really funny!
Matt, you have impeccable taste in cars. (coming from a guy who only owns two performance cars: the RS in Nitrous Blue with similar Mountune upgrades...but no exhaust yet) and an Avalanche Grey GT350R with black stripes as seen in a few of your videos.) I like your review work, Matt. Oh, and you make me want to get a FiST to play with as well.
luckylecky1 you have good taste as well!
Good on you Matt for telling us what we kind of already thought.... Parts for free. Also all that for $2800 doesn't seem too bad. What was it, 23 more hp and 91 torque? Pretty good for less than 3k plus the exhaust and short shifter.
Some of the best car reviewers are British eg Cris Harris,Harry Catchpole ,harry of Harry's garage etc Matt is my favorite american reviewer his knowledge on the cars he reviews is awesome.regards from NZ
Wowwwww no joke, you can really hear that added mid range power
Matt, you should build a monster out of this car. I'm sure there would be more than one company willing to sponsor you!
Great videos man, I'm building a turbo V8 Miata. If you ever find yourself in Houston, I'd like for you to take it for a spin.
Maybe take it to the 1/4 mile track to see how much faster than stock it is. enjoy it Matt it looks like it's a blast to dive.
It's cool to have Sam on your channel! :D
Matt the type of guy to drive other people's cars but not let other people to drive his...(good stuff)
I sure hope those RS rods are stout. Coming from the perspective of the Ecoboost engine's older cousin (the MZR DISI 2.3 Turbo in Mazdaspeed 3s/6s), seeing that much torque spiking that quickly that low in the powerband makes me pucker. Those rods are seeing tremendous forces. For comparison, I'm tuned to stay at only 380wtq, and my peak is @4,300 or so. The ramp-up is also tuned to be slower as well. Basically, we were very intentional about torque management because the alternative is a vented block. Practical wisdom and 10 years of platform experience/vetting out has shown I'm at the upper "safe" range with this type of tuning strategy.
Then again, blowing up RSes is how you'll find the limits - a very important first step in the modding community surrounding a new platform. But I don't wish that on you! (To be clear.) Hope you have many, many miles of fun with the RS.
Also, you may want to go up to a full 3" exhaust. When I did my mild turbo upgrade, I got stuck at 360whp. I had full 3" all the way to the axle-back, a stock 2.5" muffler. Just finishing out that with 3" and a Magnaflow 14419 (which sounds AMAZING) had me at 395whp on the very next run (same tune and everything). Basically, my car was choking. That 2.75" should take you further, but practical wisdom is 4" is the sweet spot for ~400whp (not that you're there quite yet, but with WMI or a little ethanol, I'm sure you easily could be by adding timing). It could help address your power falling off at redline too.
Numinous forged rods from the factory. No worries.
TheSmokingTire FYI, the Mazdaspeed has forged rods from the factory as well. Just be careful; "forged" and "strong" are associated, but not guaranteed. Many companies have already begun making stronger engine internals for the RS, including stronger forged rods.
I've always wondered about all the torque down low like that. Has to be hard on the rod bearing too I would think. Also curious how long the stock turbos will last after a tune.
***** You would think, but apparently the ST'es are having some growing pains. I'm not too familiar with details on this, but some folks in the ST community were telling me about it.
Honestly, I think it's just an inescapable fact of a new platform's growth/development.
You're gonna love your car with this boost weather we are having. Boost comes on so aggressive right now in the 50f mornings.
Have you tried getting the car Dyno'ed on a Dynapack system? I am sure a road tune would make the finishing touches but sounds like the car is being dynoed with less load than it has on the road.
Sam's a star - the kid is great.
in this case two of my favorite you tubers
Hey Matt- nice scooter there brother, and thanks for the ride. Note: Any concerns about additional stress on your "driveline components." I'm sure Mountune USA has addressed these concerns, but wanted to know personally as I'm in the same ride, but not ready to void warranties at this point... Like to hear your take on this.
Matt, check your shocks, they leave the shipping blocks in the front springs and it makes the car ridiculously hard
Disclaimer, I'm not sure if this was taken care of by your tune - however, your engine performance is optimized by putting it in track mode, and you can compensate for the stiffness by setting the dampers back to a more comfortable ride setting by using a knob on the left side of your steering wheel. I know this works for a stock RS, not sure if your aftermarket tube took care of that...
Ryan McCahill with this tune you get full beans in all modes. Sport only changes throttle sensitivity and exhaust valve, and track only does suspension now.
Matt, that's sort of what I figured, but I know from a friend that on the stock RS he would set it to track mode and dial back the stiffness with the adjustment knob. Big fan of the podcast, I know you are hot and cold on this car. Lately from what I hear you are enjoying it more, for a while there you were considering selling it. I would love to see an update video on your impressions now that you have had the car for a minute. Anyway - Thanks for your content buddy, glad to be a supporter.
wow I didn't think the RS would make gains like that! monster to curve!
WOT122 Gains are pretty meh tbh. "Area under the curve" gains with very little peak gains is the best you can do when the turbo is maxed out from the factory. Makes sense since cars are pretty well engineered these days, at least in regards to being built to a spec.
+David Schwartz "Area under the curve" gains are great for a daily driver that's constantly dealing with red lights, stop and go traffic, and passing left lane assholes. I wouldn't trade that for all top end gains.
And he's not even done making gains. He's running 91 octane, and a stock downpipe.
That turbos pretty much maxed out I bet. I'd be surprise if he could gain much more, particularly peak, without a new turbo.
David Schwartz Oh I completely agree it's maxed out above 5.5k rpm, but there's more gains to be had below that. And there's more gains to be had everywhere via ignition timing advance. 91 octane doesn't afford much timing.
Not very much bro. I mean the first bump is usually the biggest and he only gained about 25 whp. Similar mods on a Subaru sti (downpipe, intake, tune) gains about 2-3 times that. I mean it's basically maxed out from the factory, minimal gains to be had everywhere unless you do a turbo swap.
I wonder what drive train upgrades are needed at that point too.
I'm surprised to hear you were going to sell it! I thought you really liked the car. Seems like it's got some sick improvements, though :)
Matt, I hope your RDU doesn't decide to take a dump with all that torque. Word is that it was near its limit at stock levels.
I wasn't able to find your Podcast on Stitcher. If it was available there, I'd certainly listen to it.
That car is a brake upgrade away from being sensational beyond measure. This is coming from a Chevy guy, what a cool hot hatch, good job Ford.
Damn, that motor has crazy torque
You should get pro tuned by tune+, adam is throwing out huge numbers for the RS :)
Insane torque curve! Still think I'd go with the FiST..
not too many car exhausts are low enough to give my subwoofer a work out. awesomesauce
"Feels vary puhhrkey, Purrrkey" lol This guy was good on the podcast too!
Great video - as always, Matt & congrats on the gains! I noticed the driveline to 2 wheels were disconnected during the dyno pulls. Would this not skew the numbers - making them significantly higher than putting power to all 4 wheels, though???