When Voyager arrived in the Borg debris field, it felt like Wolf 359 in reverse. This time, the Borg are the ones getting their asses handed to them. If Picard had been in command, Troi would be sensing a smug satisfaction from him. Payback by proxy. Bet he got a little thrill watching the Borg Queen die in First Contact, too.
Yes, even if they are Borg, the fact remains that these millions of beings perished because of the collective to which they were subjected. They are both innocent and guilty at the same time.
@@starcraftyschannel1926 Data put them to "sleep", he was giving them the command to all regenerate at the same time. The ship blowing up was a Borg safety feature to that the technology would not go in other hands if 🙃
I loved this episode. J/C at their best I thought. And of course Chakotay telling Janeway she will never be alone. It was just a sweet moment between them both.
Scorpion made an impact as one of the best 2-parters in the entire Trek catalogue.....and as the turning point when the Borg were no longer the threat they were in TNG.
At the same time, they remained a major threat. While the discovery of species 8472 by Voyager meant an even greater threat had emerged. Yet, they weren't single-minded like the Borg so that gave Voyager a chance. They were TOTALLY out of their league, dealing with those titans. But Janeway managed to maneuver them, for her crew's safety. A brilliant story.
@@Desencadenar true they will always be a threat but in TNG they were like Terminator in the first film. After Scorpion it was like the rest of the films where you just gotta wait to find out how they beat them.
@@develynseether4426 Yeah. But considering how no one's really achieved anything but very temporary victories against the Borg, and/or Pyrrhic ones... Before Voyager, that is... To me, they retained their edge. The fact Voyager intervened, also meant both the Borg and 8472 remained strong. Because they didn't get a chance to keep all-out war for long. Even after Endgame, they remain extremely dangerous because their superb adaptability means you nevet get rid of a large amount of them. I don't really know what happened to the Borg canonically after Endgame, so maybe I'm wrong there.
"The power signatures of those Borg vessels have terminated. They're dead in the water." "Set a course for their position. Warp 2!" Seems like there's a big car crash another ten miles up the road ... and you immediately start driving over to it ... carefully ... at walking speed.
Is it possible that "warp two" may be the fastest speed the ship can travel while STILL being able to scan the most space around them? Is it possible that the position of the Borg ships are 16 hours away at half-impulse, but only 12 minutes at warp two? Is it possible (I mean, fiction... am I right?) Is it possible that the omni-directional scanning is extended by a factor of "x" due to the ship being in a warp bubble AND at impulse speed (and no bubble for the ship to float inside of), the range of the scans are localized? Get in, grab stuff, get out of the area FAST while still scanning for all other ships for the 12 minute journey. Do you think a Star Fleet Captain would just storm into an uncontrolled area minutes after a major conflict with a known enemy ? Think!!! LOL. While at the academy, I was taught in my, "Tactical Doctrine: Advantages of Stable Warp Fields" course that..." LOL.
But Voyager's sensors already operate at superluminal speeds, unaffected by magical subspace propulsion bubbles or babbles. They could already see (and determine the status of) the Borg vessels from lightyears away. So why would how fast they travel have any effect on their sensors? Why couldn't they cut the 16 hour trip down to a 12 minute trip with a couple of cautious 5 minute scanning pitstops?
@@pwnmeisterage Continuous scanning, my brother from another Star Fleet's mother WHILST on the 12-minute journey (thus a more complete 12 min scan) is way better than stopping, having to readjust the scanners, for a five min scan and exiting and reentering warp AND doing this twice must show up on other ship's sensors and will help those ship that may be leaking out there to get a better fix on Janeway's final position. Wait a min... Weren't you away on temporary assignment in the Orion Sector trying to find Admiral Archer's lost beagle and could only take the above mentioned Star Fleet course via sub-space signal? You may have missed the finer points that I picked up on while in class with Professor Barclay? LOL
I very much like the Janeway-Chakotay dynamic. Sure, there were some hints of romance sprinkled here and there, but, overall, there was an understanding beyond it which solidified their relationship. Intimacy of character above attraction or infatuation; I think that exemplifies Gene Roddenberry's utopia best, where two individuals can develop a pure bond, unfettered by pretense or misconception, and understand each other so well. There was a similar idea behind Kirk and Spock, a closeness of friendship which surpassed service or brotherhood (see The Motion Picture); but Janeway and Chakotay executed it a touch differently, which I appreciate.
"We're approaching the ships." "Slow to impulse. Onscreen." If that conversation had taken just 1 second longer they'd have overshot by 3 million km. :-) And this happens all the time. I wish the writers said something like "slow to impulse 200km from target".
I love how they stand down from red alert and the screens all still say "red alert" until the scene ends because it's an obvious recording being played on monitors behind the wall on a VHS tape and it was better to have the red alert tape keep playing than show the screens blanking out in the middle of the scene. Same as how when the Defiant goes to red alert in one scene you see the screens all flash as the red alert loop tape gets switched to. Gotta love the 90s TV tropes. And yet, in some ways, more believable and immersive than the overly CGI'd Trek we have today.
When the Borg want something the send "Hundreds of Cubes" to get it Species 116 was assimilated in this manner. You must also remember Scorpion takes place inside Borg Space (which appears to be about ten thousand light-years wide in just one particular direction), where there are presumably many thousands of Borg Cubes on top of many tens of thousands of other Borg vessels.
When I first saw Star Trek:Voyager this was the first time I had seen Robert Beltran since I hadn't seen him since the horror film 'Night of the Comet' which was the very first time I had ever heard of him.
I've watched this episode a million times because it's my favorite, but I never realized till now that there is a huge BLUNDER in it. Janeway's ready room is facing the rear of the ship, but in this episode the stars are coming towards her indicating the ship is in warp in reverse.
@Dawson Davis you’re right, the ready-room is forward port side,but the windows look aft. Look at any diagram of the ship. It clearly shows the windows looking aft.
Windows are inclined about 60 degrees the stars or whatever is passing shouldn't be perpandicular to the windows inclination but inclined the other way so they would look parallel to the ceiling/floor, what is the ships reference alignment.
This is what I dreamed from a child to explore and learn see analysis of everything from everything I explore the universe look at me and I want to look at the universe see other worlds understand how important spirituality is and see deeper in myself to become a better person and evolve into who I should be
0:03 "Warp engines are coming back online" It's taken me years of watching Trek to realize that there's an entire crew on that ship working to repair battle damage. What we see on the bridge is the officers receiving reports on the status of the ship from the ship's computer as well as maintenance crews.
5 lightyears at warp 2... and it only takes a few minutes? Their 70000 lightyear journey home suddenly feels not as long anymore! Home before christmas.
The Borg are the kind of race who wait and adapt to an enemy and then strike them down in there entirety, destroying a cube if an amazing thing for anyone, destroying more one is extremely unlikely, and destroying two is altogether impossible.
5.2 light years at warp 2 would take 188 days. I get they wanna draw low attention from the borg and sound sneaky. But someone should have picked up that even at warp 5 thats a week to get there. You don't exactly want to be crawling through borg space. Even at max warp that's several hours away.
@Dawson Davis For most other races sure. Humans on the other hand are way behind (publicly) on stealth technology because of their treaty with the Romulans (The Treaty of Algeron) Generating a more powerful warp field mask is easy since it doesnt need to be functional/stable. Covering it up is a different can of worms without stealth.
so, minor point. By the direction of the warp effect, and the orientation of the ready room, the bridge is offset, and facing sideways from forward. The view screen is facing of the starboard bow
I have a question. With all the technical advances we have made in flight in our day, why haven't I ever seen any of the starships flying in auto pilot? Auto pilot can even warn of potential problems. Star ships always seem to have to have someone monitoring it.
That is the magic of the star trek door. Opens only when needed, opens at the correct time, stays open for the correct time. Knows when you intend to leave the room.
The same thing happens with communicators. A character doesn't even have to tap their combadge; just speak aloud the name of whomever you want to contact and you are immediately connected to them. And don't even get me started on the main computer!
At the beginning of this episode. The Borg had the most cocky and aggressive opening hail. We are the Borg. Existence as you know it is over. Resist-. It was cut off because they were destroyed mid sentence. They never used that opening hail again.
The Best Enemys in Star trek I have to say are 1. Dominion on Deep space nine 2. The Borg from TNG and VOYAGER 3. Horherizan 4. Klingon's and 8472. The Kazon on voyager and the Xindi on Enterprise they were the worst enemies no offence to anyone who enjoys star trek.
The Kazon were just knock off Klingons! I like the Xindi because their were 5 different intelligence species from the same planet and two of them were non humanoids.
What bugs me about this scene is that the borg ships are stated to have vanished about 5.2 light years from Voyager's current position. Janeway orders the ship to their last location at warp 2... But Voyager's best sustained speed is about a light year every 8 hours, based on the fact that a journey of 80,000 light years is supposed to take about 80 years; and warp 2 is pathetically slow by Voyager's standards, less than ten times the speed of light by what fans have been able to piece together. Does that mean that the little jump cut to the time they intercepted the debris field took the better part of a year?
They were heading for roughtly the same direction, and probably didn't need to be there that qquick, just in case Borg would detect their warp signature too early. They didn't suspect the borg were completely destroyed and didn't want to attract unecessary attention.
If you look it up in Memory Alpha, it reads that the writers seem to fluctuate the speed of warp in different shows. One show warp one is the speed of light, another show it’s much faster than the speed of light. It’s all in conveniencing the plot.
Warp speed in the TNG era is no longer exponential. It is now a graduate scale where warp 10 equals a speed that lets you be everywhere at once. Just how they figure that out, is never stated. Warp 2 now is something much more than the old scale.
What would have been a good two part episode is Voyager discovering the origins of the Borg. That was never explained. We hear seven mention various Species by their designations- but we never learn who Species 001 is. I would have liked that more than Unimatrix Zero. Scorpion and Dark Frontier were good. Collective was ok. and a lot of the other minor Borg appearance were kind of take-em or leave-em.
They could have easily wrote that episode after the Vaadwaur episode. Say Voyager downloaded the Vaadwaur historical database. An then had a need for Seven to try and assimilate everything in it, an one of the discoveries is the original borg species. Add in a scene where we primitive borg ships being easily destroyed by Vaadwaur ships, which is why the Vaadwaur never saw them as a threat.
the borg started in march 2022 when the governments around the world simultaneously lied to everyone through the media outlets that they control and crates a hivemind psychosis telling everyone to assimilate by wearing masks and getting clot shots, and scanning qr codes to enter buildings.
I would like to see the defiant in the Delta quadrant I would like to see Deep Space Nine in the Delta quadrant I would also love to see a Starfleet Space Station in the Delta quadrant like the one they used in the opening of Star Trek 6 when the crew of the Enterprise was going to the Enterprise on the shuttlecraft
Just becuse you can ram something doesn't mean that you have any hope of stoping it (the Defiant in First Contact proved that), besides the Borg have polaron technology, they would easly adapt to the phased polaron beams of the Dominion.
The Dominion would have had to Join the federation had the Borg actually tried Invading with many ships. One Borg cube took out 39 vessels Imagine a real Armada ...The collective had gotten to the founders and assimilate them game over...
If the Queen is the Borg and the Borg is the Queen, then why are the "we are the borg, resistance is futile prepare to be boarded" voice male? Shouldn't it be Queen's voice?
**Janeway calls Picard one of the greats** **Janeway gets promoted above Picard to make a stupid cameo in a movie, despite doing nothing of value compared to him.**
Are you serious??!!! 7 years in the Delta Quadrant?!!!!! Light years upon light years from 🌎??? All the information, first contacts, deaths, births and weddings??? Taking nothing away from Picard, but Janeway and 150 crew members were ALONE. She managed to bring them back 130
@@gorgeous6737 She got lost in the delta quadrant because of bad decisions she made in command. If this were the real life navy, she would be captaining a desk at best when she got home. Picard literally saved humanity multiple times. Though after losing the Enterprise D, his career should've been over too.
Instead of introducing a new enemy this would have been a good way to allow to franchises to cross-over. Paramount TV should have paid someone at the BBC a lot of $$$... and introduced the Daleks into the Star Trek universe. (I've ALWAYS wanted to see a war between the Daleks and the Borg!)
I find it frustrating that all Voyager Borg episodes after Scorpion 1/2 with the exception of "Drone" and "Hope and Fear" were so average to bad. (Dark Frontier, Unimatrix Zero, Endgame). If those episodes had not been made the Borg appearances in Star Trek had ended on a higher note and the concept had not been so ruined.
TheDutchGhost The Borg episodes are what made Voyager palatable rather than watching fifteen stupid Kes episodes. In what other episodes could you have seen decapitated drone heads experimented on pikes?
TheDutchGhost I agree. Voyager overused the Borg to the point that episodes with them went from being exciting to annoying. It was lazy as it gets. When in doubt, add a dash of Borg.
DamienDrake It is a shame as I really liked them as being one of the genuine threats in Star Trek that could not be humanized or defeated in a traditional way, and being such a strange alien civilization. But the Borg have been so de-constructed during Voyager (Ent "Regeneration" may be an exception, but the Borg should not have appeared in that series' time setting) that writers have to take them further and further in sometimes messy and ridiculous stories just to create some tension again when characters run into them. I am not sure if they can ever be properly used again. But the Borg are not the only Star Trek creation that suffered during Voyager's run, and this comes from someone who happened to like Voyager during its original run (or at least until Season 6)
First Contact did an amazing job showing the Borg as this incredible menace. Then Voyager spent 4 years turning them into the easily defeatable alien of the week. screw you voyager
Hardly made them Easily defeatable voyager wasn’t exactly the same as when it first arrived each time they met with the Borg they were significantly stronger than the previous times
Ok Granted the Defiant was under attack by the Borg. but have you seen a lot of Dominion ships on DS9 The Dominion ships could easy attack a few Borg Cubs not maybe all of them but Have you seen DS9 dude They Ram into the Galaxy class ship sister ship of the Enterprise-D Odyssey
I am worried that there are rules janeway made like "the captain has the right to sleep with every male member of the crew, whether he wants to or not". Chakotay: this is wrong! but you're the captain. yes maam I'll bring the man from engineering.
The first time I saw this I couldn't breathe. My chest tightened and I was at the edge of my seat. 15 Borg vessels!
Janeway: "Three years ago I didn't even know your name. Today I can't imagine a day without you." (Janeway smiles and touches Chakotay)
So cute!!!
They're so cute together, aren't they? 💞💞
Cue: porm music
That avatar Picture though 😅
Realizing you've gone into Borg space is like walking through Florida and realizing you've just walked into an alligator mating ground.
the first half of that sentence is true without the rest...
It's fun to walk past all the wild gators in the Everglades. They are actually pretty chill.
@@Jabberwockybird Florida man detected
I was expecting the second line of this to be something about Rhonda Santis.
For me, entering Borg space is like the arrival of a snowstorm we all have been expecting in Minnesota.
This was always one of my favorite arcs in Star Trek Voyager.
When Voyager arrived in the Borg debris field, it felt like Wolf 359 in reverse. This time, the Borg are the ones getting their asses handed to them. If Picard had been in command, Troi would be sensing a smug satisfaction from him. Payback by proxy. Bet he got a little thrill watching the Borg Queen die in First Contact, too.
That fleet was avenged when Data convinced them to blow their own ship up
Yes, even if they are Borg, the fact remains that these millions of beings perished because of the collective to which they were subjected. They are both innocent and guilty at the same time.
@@starcraftyschannel1926 Data put them to "sleep", he was giving them the command to all regenerate at the same time. The ship blowing up was a Borg safety feature to that the technology would not go in other hands if 🙃
I loved this episode. J/C at their best I thought. And of course Chakotay telling Janeway she will never be alone. It was just a sweet moment between them both.
She will make an excellent Drone.
Well, anybody who can tear apart a half dozen Borg Cubes without breaking stride definitely gets my attention.
Half a dozen, twas 15! By one bioship! The Borg got Wolf 359'd
@@michaelbeale2498 thats no evidence for that, may that was a battle 15 vs 5 or something. Later a Cube colide with a Bioship, so both are lost.
@@thelastprussian6491 and even less evidence of that.
@@michaelbeale2498 all we know that at least 15Borg cubes are destroyed in a Battle against Bioships, not more not less.
@@thelastprussian6491 How do you know it was 15?
Imitating the captain is a sign of affection and trusting the skipper.
Depends on what type of imitation, whether it is from the best moments or just plain hateful satire...
Scorpion made an impact as one of the best 2-parters in the entire Trek catalogue.....and as the turning point when the Borg were no longer the threat they were in TNG.
At the same time, they remained a major threat. While the discovery of species 8472 by Voyager meant an even greater threat had emerged. Yet, they weren't single-minded like the Borg so that gave Voyager a chance.
They were TOTALLY out of their league, dealing with those titans. But Janeway managed to maneuver them, for her crew's safety. A brilliant story.
@@Desencadenar true they will always be a threat but in TNG they were like Terminator in the first film. After Scorpion it was like the rest of the films where you just gotta wait to find out how they beat them.
@@develynseether4426 Yeah. But considering how no one's really achieved anything but very temporary victories against the Borg, and/or Pyrrhic ones... Before Voyager, that is... To me, they retained their edge. The fact Voyager intervened, also meant both the Borg and 8472 remained strong. Because they didn't get a chance to keep all-out war for long.
Even after Endgame, they remain extremely dangerous because their superb adaptability means you nevet get rid of a large amount of them. I don't really know what happened to the Borg canonically after Endgame, so maybe I'm wrong there.
There's always a bigger fish.
@@Desencadenar Have you watched Picard
"The power signatures of those Borg vessels have terminated. They're dead in the water."
"Set a course for their position. Warp 2!"
Seems like there's a big car crash another ten miles up the road ... and you immediately start driving over to it ... carefully ... at walking speed.
Dawson Davis exactly! Not to mention any other species that might be lurking
@@ransom182 These details are a reason why the old shows are so good. Nobody cares about these details any more.
Is it possible that "warp two" may be the fastest speed the ship can travel while STILL being able to scan the most space around them? Is it possible that the position of the Borg ships are 16 hours away at half-impulse, but only 12 minutes at warp two? Is it possible (I mean, fiction... am I right?) Is it possible that the omni-directional scanning is extended by a factor of "x" due to the ship being in a warp bubble AND at impulse speed (and no bubble for the ship to float inside of), the range of the scans are localized? Get in, grab stuff, get out of the area FAST while still scanning for all other ships for the 12 minute journey. Do you think a Star Fleet Captain would just storm into an uncontrolled area minutes after a major conflict with a known enemy ? Think!!! LOL. While at the academy, I was taught in my, "Tactical Doctrine: Advantages of Stable Warp Fields" course that..." LOL.
But Voyager's sensors already operate at superluminal speeds, unaffected by magical subspace propulsion bubbles or babbles. They could already see (and determine the status of) the Borg vessels from lightyears away.
So why would how fast they travel have any effect on their sensors? Why couldn't they cut the 16 hour trip down to a 12 minute trip with a couple of cautious 5 minute scanning pitstops?
@@pwnmeisterage Continuous scanning, my brother from another Star Fleet's mother WHILST on the 12-minute journey (thus a more complete 12 min scan) is way better than stopping, having to readjust the scanners, for a five min scan and exiting and reentering warp AND doing this twice must show up on other ship's sensors and will help those ship that may be leaking out there to get a better fix on Janeway's final position. Wait a min... Weren't you away on temporary assignment in the Orion Sector trying to find Admiral Archer's lost beagle and could only take the above mentioned Star Fleet course via sub-space signal? You may have missed the finer points that I picked up on while in class with Professor Barclay? LOL
"In the words of Jean Luc Picard..."
...makes me sit up and pay damned attention.
I very much like the Janeway-Chakotay dynamic. Sure, there were some hints of romance sprinkled here and there, but, overall, there was an understanding beyond it which solidified their relationship. Intimacy of character above attraction or infatuation; I think that exemplifies Gene Roddenberry's utopia best, where two individuals can develop a pure bond, unfettered by pretense or misconception, and understand each other so well. There was a similar idea behind Kirk and Spock, a closeness of friendship which surpassed service or brotherhood (see The Motion Picture); but Janeway and Chakotay executed it a touch differently, which I appreciate.
If it wasn’t for Kira being way too bad ass Chakotay would be the best first officer. This bad is based, too bad they didn’t do more with him.
This two-parter was like Voyager's "Best of Both Worlds".
My youtube feed really wants me to rewatch Voyager.
Mine wants me to watch it for the first time
@@Pokemc0831 it’s really good, you should if you haven’t already
@@benyseus6325 trying to go in order. Still going through TNG for the first time
@@Pokemc0831 yeah I did the same. Also up to you if you wanna watch DS9 as well
Same.
2018 and still watching
Borg, space and spaceships! Wow!
Hey don’t worry our vision of 2050 should be exciting!
n1k32h
Watching in 2019
2019 and still going
July 14, 2019 here. Just cataloging gaseous anomalies...
Watching 2020 coronaaaa haha
‘We’re entering borg space’. It seemed terrifying until Voyager developed such thick plot armour they became impervious to the whole collective.
"We're approaching the ships."
"Slow to impulse. Onscreen."
If that conversation had taken just 1 second longer they'd have overshot by 3 million km. :-) And this happens all the time.
I wish the writers said something like "slow to impulse 200km from target".
Don't even try applicate real life world logic on Star Trek, otherwise you will lose all your dreams :p
5.2 light years at warp 2 would take 6 and a half months to reach. Sometimes the writers of this show.. I swear to god.
They just cut out that 6 month journey, not much happened 😂
Two seconds to travel 5 light years at warp 2 but 70 years to travel 70,000 at warp 9. Lol
So wrong, I know how to right it through every mind-meld gap.
Good writing? Where we're going we don't need good writing.
Like being 2.6 light year away and the next second being in visual range
I'm pretty sure imitating the captain and poking fun at them is part of Starfleet protocol.
Kirk would have laughed if someone on his crew imitated him. Sisko and Picard would not.
@@austinboylan5476 didn't dax do it once.
A millenia old Naval tradition, really.
@@austinboylan5476 "Hahaha.....hope you enjoy waste extraction, Ensign."
I love how they stand down from red alert and the screens all still say "red alert" until the scene ends because it's an obvious recording being played on monitors behind the wall on a VHS tape and it was better to have the red alert tape keep playing than show the screens blanking out in the middle of the scene. Same as how when the Defiant goes to red alert in one scene you see the screens all flash as the red alert loop tape gets switched to. Gotta love the 90s TV tropes. And yet, in some ways, more believable and immersive than the overly CGI'd Trek we have today.
When the Borg want something the send "Hundreds of Cubes" to get it Species 116 was assimilated in this manner. You must also remember Scorpion takes place inside Borg Space (which appears to be about ten thousand light-years wide in just one particular direction), where there are presumably many thousands of Borg Cubes on top of many tens of thousands of other Borg vessels.
When I first saw Star Trek:Voyager this was the first time I had seen Robert Beltran since I hadn't seen him since the horror film 'Night of the Comet' which was the very first time I had ever heard of him.
3:14-3:27 is one of the cutest scene in voyager..
I've watched this episode a million times because it's my favorite, but I never realized till now that there is a huge BLUNDER in it. Janeway's ready room is facing the rear of the ship, but in this episode the stars are coming towards her indicating the ship is in warp in reverse.
@Dawson Davis you’re right, the ready-room is forward port side,but the windows look aft. Look at any diagram of the ship. It clearly shows the windows looking aft.
Windows are inclined about 60 degrees the stars or whatever is passing shouldn't be perpandicular to the windows inclination but inclined the other way so they would look parallel to the ceiling/floor, what is the ships reference alignment.
This is what I dreamed from a child to explore and learn see analysis of everything from everything I explore the universe look at me and I want to look at the universe see other worlds understand how important spirituality is and see deeper in myself to become a better person and evolve into who I should be
0:03 "Warp engines are coming back online" It's taken me years of watching Trek to realize that there's an entire crew on that ship working to repair battle damage. What we see on the bridge is the officers receiving reports on the status of the ship from the ship's computer as well as maintenance crews.
The famous phrase from Paris WHO COULD DO THIS TO BORG???
answer SPECIES 8472
Species 8472 are the natural forms of Cthulhu and the Other Old Ones.
"Whoever they are, they could be our new best friend...or our worst nightmare."
I would hope they like us
The borg hate individuality. These new enemies must have beaten the borg by being extra quirky and unique.
@@nicolaselliot352 Very true, I do hope you have seen it, if not check out
SCORPION part 1 and 2.
5 lightyears at warp 2... and it only takes a few minutes? Their 70000 lightyear journey home suddenly feels not as long anymore! Home before christmas.
Paris: "Who could do this to the Borg?"
Tuvok: "Bitch, I JUST said 'unknown'. So, try to keep up."
I´d love to hear him say that!! XDXD
"We ain't found shit!"
I love the chmestry between janeway and chakotay
she had the best pilot in trek history
And plot armour.
Two things, Lieutenant: Species 8472... and 2020.
Lt. Paris: Who could do this to the Borg?
Ensign John W: Who cares? 😂
Warp 2 Captain...Woah, don't go too fast. You might rush into a trap
The lower the speed is the less interesting the warp signature gets to the Borg.
@@quoniam426 But it takes more than 6 month to get there with Warp 2.
The Borg are the kind of race who wait and adapt to an enemy and then strike them down in there entirety, destroying a cube if an amazing thing for anyone, destroying more one is extremely unlikely, and destroying two is altogether impossible.
AStarSifter They can’t assimilate the Undeen. Hence they can’t learn about them hence they can’t adapt.
Guess the stagehands knew not to open the door wet Chatoay tried to leave
5.2 light years at warp 2 would take 188 days. I get they wanna draw low attention from the borg and sound sneaky. But someone should have picked up that even at warp 5 thats a week to get there. You don't exactly want to be crawling through borg space.
Even at max warp that's several hours away.
@Dawson Davis For most other races sure. Humans on the other hand are way behind (publicly) on stealth technology because of their treaty with the Romulans (The Treaty of Algeron) Generating a more powerful warp field mask is easy since it doesnt need to be functional/stable. Covering it up is a different can of worms without stealth.
The Borg finally ran into the Atreides Star Empire......
so, minor point.
By the direction of the warp effect, and the orientation of the ready room, the bridge is offset, and facing sideways from forward.
The view screen is facing of the starboard bow
This was the Borg's Wolf 359.
Luv voyager
I have a question. With all the technical advances we have made in flight in our day, why haven't I ever seen any of the starships flying in auto pilot? Auto pilot can even warn of potential problems. Star ships always seem to have to have someone monitoring it.
1:10 - am I the only one who was kinda bugged out that the door didn’t open for Chakotay?
It should’ve since he was right there.....
That is the magic of the star trek door. Opens only when needed, opens at the correct time, stays open for the correct time. Knows when you intend to leave the room.
The same thing happens with communicators. A character doesn't even have to tap their combadge; just speak aloud the name of whomever you want to contact and you are immediately connected to them. And don't even get me started on the main computer!
Yes i remember Hundreds of Cubes how ever there was also over 12 thousand of dominion ships as well i wonder who may have run the battle.
Warp 2 to go 5.2 light years? Why not just get and push?
i know right? At warp 2 there will get there in like half a year.
At the beginning of this episode. The Borg had the most cocky and aggressive opening hail.
We are the Borg. Existence as you know it is over. Resist-.
It was cut off because they were destroyed mid sentence. They never used that opening hail again.
The Best Enemys in Star trek I have to say are
1. Dominion on Deep space nine
2. The Borg from TNG and VOYAGER
3. Horherizan
4. Klingon's
and 8472.
The Kazon on voyager and the Xindi on Enterprise they were the worst enemies no offence to anyone who enjoys star trek.
The Horherizan? Bad typo? Never heard of them. There's nothing on Memory Alpha either.
@@RyudoFanel clearly, that is supposed to be the HIROGEN. sound it out ....... lol
The Kazon were terrible indeed ......... lol
The Kazon were just knock off Klingons!
I like the Xindi because their were 5 different intelligence species from the same planet and two of them were non humanoids.
Xindi were interesting. Kazon weren't.
This two part episode had some fantastic music
What bugs me about this scene is that the borg ships are stated to have vanished about 5.2 light years from Voyager's current position. Janeway orders the ship to their last location at warp 2... But Voyager's best sustained speed is about a light year every 8 hours, based on the fact that a journey of 80,000 light years is supposed to take about 80 years; and warp 2 is pathetically slow by Voyager's standards, less than ten times the speed of light by what fans have been able to piece together. Does that mean that the little jump cut to the time they intercepted the debris field took the better part of a year?
They were heading for roughtly the same direction, and probably didn't need to be there that qquick, just in case Borg would detect their warp signature too early. They didn't suspect the borg were completely destroyed and didn't want to attract unecessary attention.
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WTF? 5.2 light years away and she orders warp 2? Warp 2 is 10x light speed, so they arrive in 6.24 MONTHS.
Yet somehow they arrive in minutes.
This is what drove me nuts with Voyager's writers. They had the writers' bible and the in-house tech manual, and they ignored them. LAZY.
Actually warp 2 is eight times light speed.
If you look it up in Memory Alpha, it reads that the writers seem to fluctuate the speed of warp in different shows. One show warp one is the speed of light, another show it’s much faster than the speed of light. It’s all in conveniencing the plot.
Warp speed in the TNG era is no longer exponential. It is now a graduate scale where warp 10 equals a speed that lets you be everywhere at once. Just how they figure that out, is never stated. Warp 2 now is something much more than the old scale.
Fun fact: The Voyager made the Kessel Run in 12 Parsec!
What would have been a good two part episode is Voyager discovering the origins of the Borg. That was never explained. We hear seven mention various Species by their designations- but we never learn who Species 001 is. I would have liked that more than Unimatrix Zero. Scorpion and Dark Frontier were good. Collective was ok. and a lot of the other minor Borg appearance were kind of take-em or leave-em.
They could have easily wrote that episode after
the Vaadwaur episode. Say Voyager downloaded the Vaadwaur historical database. An then had a need for Seven to try and assimilate everything in it, an one of the discoveries is the original borg species. Add in a scene where we primitive borg ships being easily destroyed by Vaadwaur ships, which is why the
Vaadwaur never saw them as a threat.
the borg started in march 2022 when the governments around the world simultaneously lied to everyone through the media outlets that they control and crates a hivemind psychosis telling everyone to assimilate by wearing masks and getting clot shots, and scanning qr codes to enter buildings.
Love Janeway A true strong woman.
5.2 lightyears at warp 2? They took their sweet time getting there!
Born. Space. Hide, attract no attention, and pray that you get out
According to the Warp Speed Calculator i found at www.st-minutiae.com/resources/warp/index.html they took 188.42 days. Is that correct?
ah bluntly violating the prime directive to get the ship home.
15 Borg Cubes... thats a good sign?
I would like to see the defiant in the Delta quadrant I would like to see Deep Space Nine in the Delta quadrant I would also love to see a Starfleet Space Station in the Delta quadrant like the one they used in the opening of Star Trek 6 when the crew of the Enterprise was going to the Enterprise on the shuttlecraft
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Just becuse you can ram something doesn't mean that you have any hope of stoping it (the Defiant in First Contact proved that), besides the Borg have polaron technology, they would easly adapt to the phased polaron beams of the Dominion.
does anyone know where i can find the soundtrack to the cliffhanger of this episode? its really great but i cant find it anywhere
Yes, species 8472 version of Battle of Wolf 359
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Can you do a passable Janeway impression?
@@Sasha-sj4xe With some practise. Its highly likely xD
Picard was saving the galaxy long b4 her. I guess she didnt get kirks advice bout promotion
According to presently-established canon, neither did Picard. :P
@ redelephantsdotnl> she did do a good impression of Picard. It was mostly her facial expressions; and her voice also. :-)
3:49 "Set a course in the opposite direction. Can't be too careful these days, whatever snoked those Borg could easily snoke us."
I wonder what a Changeling Borg fued would be?
Epic moment
The Dominion would have had to Join the federation had the Borg actually tried Invading with many ships. One Borg cube took out 39 vessels Imagine a real Armada ...The collective had gotten to the founders and assimilate them game over...
I don't think they can assimilate the founders but they can give their soldiers hell
0:20 whoops Tom's console is still at red alert animation.
If the Queen is the Borg and the Borg is the Queen, then why are the "we are the borg, resistance is futile prepare to be boarded" voice male? Shouldn't it be Queen's voice?
3 ??? are you sure you spelled that correctly? I don't see that race anywhere...
Hirogen versus the Borg
If these wrecks were 5 lyr away,
and Janeway said
go there at Warp 2
Then that means
It would take2.5lyr to get there !
DML.
Think he means Hirogen or whatever its spelt from Voyager. Those hunter like people
**Janeway calls Picard one of the greats**
**Janeway gets promoted above Picard to make a stupid cameo in a movie, despite doing nothing of value compared to him.**
Are you serious??!!!
7 years in the Delta Quadrant?!!!!!
Light years upon light years from 🌎???
All the information, first contacts, deaths, births and weddings???
Taking nothing away from Picard, but Janeway and 150 crew members were ALONE.
She managed to bring them back 130
@@gorgeous6737 She got lost in the delta quadrant because of bad decisions she made in command. If this were the real life navy, she would be captaining a desk at best when she got home.
Picard literally saved humanity multiple times. Though after losing the Enterprise D, his career should've been over too.
@@gorgeous6737 actually it was more like 146 that made it back
If they just stopped pissing around with all these side missions, they'd probably get home a fair bit faster
This is the time I will start a mutiny against Janeway and side with Chakotay.
And Where’s part 2 ?
VOLUME!
CLOSED CAPTIONS!
Gimme Something!
3:20 that was supposed to go somewhere.
Borg can be mean sometime
No part 2?
Say what you want they were all but married
In the script she was supposed to sound like Picard but she didn't whatsoever
Sometimes Chakotae close Janeway make my mistake
he is Janeway ‘s wife
Who could do this to the Borg? Species 8472...THAT’S who!!
Admiral Janeway - that's who
Instead of introducing a new enemy this would have been a good way to allow to franchises to cross-over. Paramount TV should have paid someone at the BBC a lot of $$$... and introduced the Daleks into the Star Trek universe. (I've ALWAYS wanted to see a war between the Daleks and the Borg!)
holy crap :D the ultimate crossover :D
USS VOYAGER
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I find it frustrating that all Voyager Borg episodes after Scorpion 1/2 with the exception of "Drone" and "Hope and Fear" were so average to bad. (Dark Frontier, Unimatrix Zero, Endgame).
If those episodes had not been made the Borg appearances in Star Trek had ended on a higher note and the concept had not been so ruined.
TheDutchGhost The Borg episodes are what made Voyager palatable rather than watching fifteen stupid Kes episodes. In what other episodes could you have seen decapitated drone heads experimented on pikes?
TheDutchGhost I agree. Voyager overused the Borg to the point that episodes with them went from being exciting to annoying. It was lazy as it gets. When in doubt, add a dash of Borg.
DamienDrake It is a shame as I really liked them as being one of the genuine threats in Star Trek that could not be humanized or defeated in a traditional way, and being such a strange alien civilization.
But the Borg have been so de-constructed during Voyager (Ent "Regeneration" may be an exception, but the Borg should not have appeared in that series' time setting) that writers have to take them further and further in sometimes messy and ridiculous stories just to create some tension again when characters run into them.
I am not sure if they can ever be properly used again.
But the Borg are not the only Star Trek creation that suffered during Voyager's run, and this comes from someone who happened to like Voyager during its original run (or at least until Season 6)
First Contact did an amazing job showing the Borg as this incredible menace. Then Voyager spent 4 years turning them into the easily defeatable alien of the week. screw you voyager
Hardly made them
Easily defeatable voyager wasn’t exactly the same as when it first arrived each time they met with the Borg they were significantly stronger than the previous times
Ok Granted the Defiant was under attack by the Borg.
but have you seen a lot of Dominion ships on DS9
The Dominion ships could easy attack a few Borg Cubs
not maybe all of them but Have you seen DS9 dude They Ram into the Galaxy class ship sister ship of the Enterprise-D Odyssey
well at least they exist
What disturbs me most is the way that Kathryn Janeway looks at Chakotay's lips. He is not your lover Miss Janeway!!!
I am worried that there are rules janeway made like "the captain has the right to sleep with every male member of the crew, whether he wants to or not". Chakotay: this is wrong! but you're the captain. yes maam I'll bring the man from engineering.
jaymorpheus11 You should probably get off of your mommy's PC and quit watching so much porn, tweeny boy.
Mary P I thought that the only thing that she drank was "coffee, black"
Skeezer MacNeezer funny, maybe Mrs Mulgrew would like to kiss him or more, probably not on a mutual basis
he was a maquee
She forgot to mention captain Jonathan Archer captain of the USS Enterprise NX-01 they had a running with the Borg in the 22nd century
This is an example of "Retroactive continuity". Voyager's writers couldn't think to add in Archer because he and his story weren't invented yet.
It wouldna make sense for TNG/DS9/Voyager era people to ken about the borg. The scene with Q pointing them out to Picard would be ruined.
Has anyone noticed that Captain Janeway spends too much fucking time in her Ready Room???
8472, the Jem'Hadar would be no threat to the borg, and plus there from the Gamma quadrant, nearly 50 thousand light years away
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I have to disagree with that, sorry, The Jem Hadar could ram into anything even a Borg Cube.