Yeah well Ayer has lost his credibility really don't like the comment where he said he encourages the toxicity of Snyder's cult I've had some interactions with those scum and they go beyond civil disagreement he shouldn't be rewarded for that
There are some cut scenes of Margot and Jared here on YT, and they are downright chilling. They make the Joker seem like a horror movie villain which is completely appropriate imo, but also explains why the other actors were wary around him. Jared said that Aayer shot more than 40 hours worth of film of him and Margot as Harley and Joker. In the extended cut, the Joker appears on screen for about eleven minutes. So I completely understand why he resents WB and DC. If they hadn't been trying to imitate Marvel, SS 2016 could have been amazing.
Really? And include those and that will make Jared Leto's Joker seem a bit more interesting? Will the new edit include full scenes? And not just a long montage?
I think the Ayer version at least sounds quite a bit deeper and more visceral. If it is indeed all he wanted to do, I think it may have been a pretty solid film. The character development sounds better, especially with Harley and Joker. Probably not spectacular, with all the meddling still at hand, but seems like worth a watch!
My favorite of the Jared Leto-Suicide Squad set stories is the one where Viola Davis’ husband told Jared to his face that if he tried any of those stunts on his wife then he would kick his ass on sight. Jared did not mess with Viola not a single time for the duration of that shoot😂
Yeah, apparently Leto sent her a box of bullets and she and (especially) her husband didn’t like that so he had a conversation with him and if you’ve seen what Viola’s husband looks like, you’ll understand he seems the type that you absolutely don’t want to mess with. Viola also said that she kept pepper spray on her whenever she was around Leto - just in case lol
@@sneakykamon They should have gone to the Studio or failing that Police, striking him could have landed him in Prison. Especially if he is much bigger than Leto.
@@sneakykamon - Sounds like the guy never told him anything to Leto's face... I googled it and all I could find was this: “I did not receive any personally or else I would have got my husband who was called the headache ball back in the day when he played football,” Davis told E!, ahead of a Sunday night Tribeca Film Fest premiere. “I would have [told Julius Tennon], ‘Take care of the Joker.’”
So WB wanted Ayer's Suicide Squad to look like Guardians of the Galaxy. Then when they reboot The Suicide Squad, they bring in the very Director of Guardians of the Galaxy. They like it so much, they want him to reboot the entire DCEU as the DCU. The Director of The Suicide Squad then tells the Director of Suicide Squad that his true vision will be released as it should have been. We'll see if Gunn keeps his word.
To this day I have mixed feelings about Leto’s Joker. I feel like if Affleck had gotten his solo film, and in said film there were scenes that explored the history between Affleck’s Batman and Leto’s Joker that Ayer himself mentioned in interviews (the Robin costume shown in BvS, and Joker’s grille which was caused by Batman literally knocking his teeth out with his steel knuckled gloves) that his version of the character might have been much better. It’s unfortunate that we’ll never know now, for either of their respective versions of the character. Not to mention Joe Mangianello’s Deathstroke
Ayer's original script with parademons could have been a great build up to justice league! The suicide squad win a small battle, but Stepenwolf's arrival is imminent, so the justice league has to come together
I almost facepalmed when I saw that plot changed in this video. It’s like, does WB know nothing about building up a movie? Do they still in charge with that sense? 😩
If the Ayer cut really releases one day. That would mean there are 3 version of the same movie. Suicide squad (2016) Suicide squad Extended Edition (2016) David’s Ayer Suicide squad (20- -)
I remember seeing the initial teaser trailer and being very excited for the movie. Enchantress looked so creepy and cool, and I was looking forward to seeing Harleen being turned into Harley. Almost everything in this video is what I had wanted to see, more of enchantress and a true depiction of joker and Harley’s toxic relationship.
To be fair, there are stinkers when the studio didn't mess with the creator's vision and gave him the full reign. And when the stuff is good nobody says, well, that's because the studio forced major changes and it was for the better. It's when the things go south people start pointing fingers and usually those fingers land on the studio So, you can never know for sure. The movie making is a creative process of a lot of people. There's hardly ever just one person to blame for the shitshow
I enjoyed Suicide Squad, but maybe the dark tone would have actually helped it in credits so I can’t wait to see the “Ayer cut” when it hopefully comes out
I think the main issue was Suicide Squad had too much going on. I think it would've been easier if the premise was "Amanda Waller test her Task Force X by having them hunt down The Batman. As they do however, they come into conflict with Gotham's Clown Prince of Crime and a member of their own team" so the world ending scope is changed for a just crazy enough action film
Considering WB's track record, I foresee the same problems with James Gunn's new DCU. It's already starting out on the wrong foot with confusion from audiences
Yeah he def should’ve waited to tell everyone he was rebooting until after these last few films came out. Basically makes them meaningless. No wonder they’re bombing.
@Bulletsandblockbusters I can understand releasing Aquaman 2 since you've already established the character and maybe there are fans who want to see it. But there was no reason at all to FORCE Blue Beetle!!! Like why?!?!? He's a NEW character why not wait and have him be part of the new continuity??? If the movie is mostly finished and ready to go how about you hold onto it wait, and maybe do a few reshoots and touch ups. Release it AFTER you start your new universe and tie this new character into it. It's not that hard!
I know it could’ve been sooo much better without the studio’s involvement in butchering it. Not award winning but a complete vision from the director. Ayer’s movies all have depth.
I'm sure the Ayer cut would have been better than what we got, but it still sounds like it has many of the same problems that the studio version does- the entire premise of the Squad being assembled for black-ops missions only to spend the rest of the movie hunting their own renegade teammate, Amanda Waller being dangerously incompetent but still presented as a mastermind, "that" version of The Joker, the whole idea of making a Suicide Squad so early in the DCEU timeline in the first place, the DCEU starting off after Jason Todd has been murdered, Deadshot being more of an anti-hero than a proper villain... I'd be mildly interested in seeing it, but it sounds like a film that was flawed from the outset.
To this day, I say that Jared Leto's Joker was underrated and underutilized. His Joker was a modern day Golden Age Joker( the clown prince of crime, not the bronze age homicidal maniac that Ledger and Phoenix portrayed.) I loved the design, the tatoos the grills replacing the teeth that Batman knocked out, the slicked back hair, suits, clothes, chains guns cars, and henchmen. It all screamed that this Joker had a value for money and power. These things also enhance and feed into the themes of possesion, and control that the Joker exudes towards Harley, which was apart of their original dynamic in TAS. I also loved how good he pulled off the comic book frame refrenceces in the movie, that shot of him with his face burnt hair ruined in the tux looks just like the Joker in the Batman Endgame comic which released not too long before Suicide Squad was released. I really hope people one day come to understand how unique and refreshing Jared Leto's Joker was so we can see another Joker like this in the future.
I'd be very much down with seeing an Ayer cut. I'm not sure if it was different in any version, but I really laughed out loud when Boomerang got up and left at the end of the big inspirational bar scene. Very funny, but completely undercut when he just pops back up in the slow mo hero shot in the very next scene. I don't think a great version of The Suicide Squad exists, but I'd wager the Ayer cut will bump it up a notch.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters ;) Just needs to be reiterated for the small group who thinks BvS was really well received. It was not. It had record weekly dropoff rates for a film of it's scale. Investors must have been pissed. WB had to interfere and save face, otherwise there would have been other consequences.
The extended cut of bats v supes was revisited by several critics after the release of the snyder cut none say it's perfect but it is much better than the studio version
Yeah the Ayer Cut sounds like a way better version of Suicide Squad than the theatrical version just like the Snyder Cut was way better than the theatrical version of Justice League
While I would love to see the Ayer Cut someday, I think it was an inherently short sighted idea to make a Suicide Squad movie as the third film in a DC shared film universe. Still, loving the creative freedom that directors and the like are getting nowadays with comic book movies
They always learn the wrong lessons, just cus one thing fails doesn't mean that same approach won't work for other things. Dark and drab doesn't work for BvS, but for suicide squad it would have fit perfectly.
A movie titled SUICIDE SQUAD with VILLAINS as protagonists, and an EVIL WITCH as the antagonist and WB was worried that it was too dark and dreary?? What were they expecting??
I just hope we get to see the cut as promised by Gunn someday. I trust it will be a lot better and same as Leto's Joker. Ayer said it scared the shit out of the executives and fans who got to see it said it is a more different darker movie and Leto steals it.
Fucking finally there's somebody actually discussing what happened to the movie, they took his serious and personal Suicide Squad movie and tried to make it into Guardians of the Galaxy. They cut a lot of his El Diablo's story(which was personally connected to David Ayer because he was in the gangbanging lifestyle and turn his life around to be a director) when he was supposed to be the main focus being an ex gangbanger supervillain that accidentally killed his family with his superpowers and was going to be useful to the world by turning into his full fire demon hold back Steppenwolf and stall the invasion and live.
A third Burton Batman would have been great, and Schumacher's Batman sequel to Batman Returns would also have been great had the studio greenlit his ideas.
@elevenseven-yq4vu And he was also wanting to do an origen story film for Batman but that was shut down immediately, We would have had Batman begins earlier so I don't know how to feel about that since Batman begins 2005 is pretty goated
@@optimascrime5235 For me it is: 1. Batman Returns 2. The Batman 3. Batman Begins when it comes to Bats. I also enjoyed Shazam! and Birds of Prey a lot: A great oldschool children's adventure movie with family values, and a great MacGuffin-chasin' brutal action dark comedy with a manic-psychotic anti-villain as unreliable tall-tale narrator and your typical evil Gothamites chewing the scenery. Especially the last one is totes underrated, might gain a cult following over the coming years - hopefully. I like how it is so bright and colorful, and still has the meanest villains yet, and such a toxic dynamic duo at that. The portrayal of Gotham City as a dog eat dog world is spot on, and yet Harley treats it like it's her personal playground. Such a hoot. Might be my second favourite Gotham on the big screen, right after Batman Returns and slightly ahead of Joker. Oh, and speaking of Joker - such a great movie as well - I loved the set design, the direction, the performances - DeNiro finally back to form instead of just phoning it in. DC can be great, just give single movies to good filmmakers and trust their vision. We don't need yet another MCU styled caped telenovela. Trying to emulate that was doomed from the get-go.
Ayer's original version of Suicide Suicide may not be a perfect movie, but I believe at least could be a more cohesive product, the pacing and editing would be better, the story would make a lot more sense and would be accurate to the first trailer released in Comic Con, that was the movie I wanted to see and not some butchered version by the studio with shitty editing, lazy reshoots and forced humor put into it. I hope this version gets released one day. You could try to talk about some of Flash's cancelled projects, Warner was trying to make a Flash movie since the 80s basically, just to end up on that disaster released this year. The most notorious ones are the David Goyer version, that would have Ryan Reynolds as Wally West, and the Greg Berlanti one, with the same team of writers responsable for the first version of Green Lantern script, later on they also started to develop the Arrowverse on the CW and Berlanti put a lot of elements of his Flash movie script in the first season of The Flash show. The two scripts are available online and both are MUCH better than the crap version that came out this year. Also would be fun if you talk about the cancelled Green Arrow project "Escape From Supermax", this would have been a pretty violent movie with Oliver Queen trying to escape this prison called Supermax and a lot of C-list villains from DC would have appeared, the script is full available online. Also Warner wanted Matt Damon to play the role of Green Arrow in this movie. Another DC cool project that never see the light of day is Guillhermo Del Toro's Justice League Dark, starring John Constantine, Zatanna, Deadman, Swamp Thing and Etrigan, the script is also online, and that one leaked just 2 years ago I believe.
So I'm actually am friends with the actor who played Jokers, right hand man. At the time another friend of mine was the Right Hand Man's assistant, he called her and asked for dead pig, because Jared Leto called him and said he needed the pig. He also would invite his Right Hand Man over for s*x parties. The dude legit was nuts in the making of this movie.
Wow. I actually didn’t know anything you described the Ayer Cut to be. Thank you for your extensive research. I hope we get to see it one day. Even if it’s just for fun like the Snyder Cut.
Mabye doubt it would have to fit the vision and not be reshoots no offense he synder are hacks who use excuses and part of the thing rewards to get likes
Un fucking believable… so what you’re saying is we could’ve had a masterpiece?!!! P.S. as much as I like the idea of Harley, Quinn and Deadshot, being together, I think Will Smith wasn’t the right person. Can’t help us but feel like he used his power so to speak to get into that position, considering the controversy surrounding his personal life.
The Theatrical Cut felt like a Harley & Friends movie to me. I'm glad Ayers wanted to give more depth and focus to the other characters. Also me being Native American, I was sad Slipknot got such a quick death in both versions. I know the guy dies but why did they have Adam Beach promote the movie? Poor guy. 😂
One of the things that I said from the beginning was that it was so odd that Suicide Squad was the 3rd movie in the DC Extended Universe yet had nothing to do with the storylines set up in Man of Steel and BvS (outside of that extremely tacked on and illogical post credit scene between Waller and Wayne). I wondered why they didn’t have the SS go after some international terrorist or something only to find out he was in possession of a Mother Box and being assisted by Parademons, which would have tied into Justice League later. Clearly Ayer had something like that in mind and the “design by committee” at WB botched it. Also it might have worked with Snyder’s JL too: introduce the Mother Box, Parademons, and Steppenwolf in SS, but have Enchantress be the ultimate Steppenwolf minion at the end, and set up JL as Steppenwolf teases a larger invasion. It would have tied to Snyder’s cut just fine. All of this goes to show that Snyder and Ayers had a better sense of story arcs, styles, and that universe than any DC/WB Executive ever did.
Like I said in your Man of Steel 2 video another movie that would’ve been amazing but interference from the studio kept us from seeing an awesome movie
@@Reprodestruxion I sure have I remember that Marvel screwed him over after he developed the Ant-Man movie for years and then turn the movie over to Peyton Reed
leto's Joker was outstanding, one must take in the world he's in, along with the Kind of Batman and what the comics are doing at the time. His Joker is a combination of all of those things. And the negtivite comes from the mainstream not fully understanding the character, the Joker changes to fit with the times, he adapts.
Another example of WB sabotaging their own project because the new leadership at that time was attempting to change direction mid contract with the creative talent, instead of trusting their process and following their lead. SS was supposed to be something like Fury and Training Day and everything else Ayers has created. WB and especially the internet media coverage was absolutely horrible, constantly pushing blame onto the director when it’s obvious who was dropping the ball.
I got to be honest, I checked out once "House of the Rising Sun" was heard. I thought it was simply too cliche and was evidence it was directed by a committee.
I still think I prefer Gunn's version. But I wouldn't mind seeing Ayer's vision as well. i kind of wanted to see more of Enchantress and thought she got a raw deal. also i had some fun scene ideas in my head for what her interactions with Harley would've been if they were doing mission stuff together. Like Enchantress being really weirded out by Harley being friends with her despite all her creepiness and trying to freak everybody out.
The studio moving on from Snyder to finish Justice League made sense, because Snyder had to leave the movie for personal reasons. Whedon was brought in without a lot of time to make something out of it and it didn't help that the movie was heavily micromanaged by Warner Bros to make it even worse. What the studio did to Ayer made absolutely no sense and made for a disjointed, hot mess of a movie.
The biggest mystery to me is why everyone hated this movie. I watched it once and enjoyed it, even thought the deadshot character was great. Maybe if I watched it a second time my opinion might change, but I remember liking it.
Suicide Squad's gotta be the worst experience ive ever had in cinemas, studios test their movies with people with no IQ that prolly watch good doctor or something, hope one day we get the Ayer Cut, Ayer is such a great director
I'm still not convinced it would've been a great movie, but I'm almost certain it would have been a much better movie. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong one day.
If you are hiring a director, you should respect that your hiring them for the previous work they have done and should respect their orginal vision. Just imagine if Apocalypse Now had studios telling him how to do that film.
Thanks for the video, would you rather have the Ayer cut for this movie, or the Trank cut for Fantastic Four 2015, Josh Trank said that his original cut was great but the studio meddling and conflicts ruined it and I can tell
After seeing the Snyder cut of JL it blows my mind to think about how many completely different movies never saw the light of day due to studio meddling
This 100% the studios fault. I've seen Training Day and that's proof that Ayer knows how to direct a movie, it's so good it won an academy award for best actor (Denzel Washington) but the studio wanted their own Guardians of the Galaxy so bad that they threw away something potentially great.
Brutally honestly, while I do hope the Ayer Cut gets released one day, not only to see the differences to the Theatrical Version on screen and out of Morbid Curiosity, but also because I believe every directors original vision should be seen regardless of the qaulity, I also don't think his cut would be that good. I mean, yeah, sure it would be better then the Theatrical Version (hell, anything would be better then the Theatrical Version of Suicide Squad 2016, that's one of the reasons I love James Gunns The Suicide Squad, because it's literally just a better version of the concept), we also have to remember, Ayer is the same man who gave us not so great and outright bad films like Sabotage, Fury, Tax Collectors, and Bright. He's not the same director who gave us Training Day and End of Watch anymore and like M. Night Shyamalan, Damian Chazelle, and Michael Bay, his newer films are just not great. Not to mention, I'd argue this situation is slightly different to that of JL, with Justice League, almost the entirety of Snyders original vision was changed into what Whedon gave us in 2017 with very little from Snyders Version remaining, to the point where it almost feels a different film. With Suicide Squad, while not all of Ayers stuff was left in, a good amount of it is still there. Granted spliced with reshoot stuff and also heavily edited to Cringe levels of Nauseum, but still. Meaning while yes it would be a better made film, the Ayer Cut I feel would not only still have some of the same problems the Theatrical cut did, but also it I still feel it wouldn't be enough to save it from being a bad movie, or at least a mid movie, because like I said, anything, and I mean ANYTHING, is better then the Theatrical cut. It also means more Jared Leto Joker which...no, just.....just no. With this said, I still hope the Ayer Cut is released one day, even though I wonder how Gunn is going to do it. He can't make it canon to his universe, because that would mean the Death of Superman already happened by the time Superman Legacy occurs, and also there's alot of stuff in SS 2016 (the Ayer Cut I mean) that I think would contradict the new DCU, and even TSS 2021 for that matter. So it have to be an Elseworlds Labelled title, but Margot Robbie plays Harley Quinn as well in the Ayer Cut, and Gunn will most likely be staying for the new DCU, so I wonder how Gunn will be able to release and have it be a Elseworlds Labelled film without confusing people.
I’m more interested in seeing David Ayer’s Suicide Squad than I was in seeing Jack Snyder’s Justice League. DC has nothing coming out between Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom (2023) and Superman: Legacy (2025), right? So why not release David Ayer’s Suicide Squad next year as they transition from the DCEU to the DCU?
I think they gunn will eventually release it and I for one can't wait!
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I really wanna see the Ayer cut. You can see so much promise when watching that movie and the more I hear about it, the more I wanna see what it was originally. I hope James Gunn delivers on his promise to let David Ayer finish his movie the way he wanted to.
I wonder if now that Marvel's style is on the wane a little, whether a darker Suicide Squad film would be better received than it would have back then, when any non-Marvel superhero film was going to struggle a bit. I personally always found the calls for Ayer Cut slightly exhausting, but after watching this video I'd actually be interested to see it now.
Wow its almost like Ayers understood the Joker and Harley relationship and now instead we get people posting about how they are relationship goals. No one ruins DC like DC manages to do themselves :/
Honestly, I think the better thing to do instead of always having stories where Harley leave Joker would be for her to give just as good as she gets. Maybe Harley can bonk Joker on the head with a mallet every once in a while. And maybe Joker can not want to let her go because she's the only one who appreciates his shtick.
Did you hear on the set of Morbius, Leto actually had people escort him to the bathroom because he was using a cane like his character? That certainly didn't help his performance
A slight side track but within the realm; could you consider creating a reaction tribute to the late and amazing Kevin Conroy? On November 15th will be the first anniversary of his death. He was the sole reason I got into acting. I have a voice acting background and there are some preconceived notions that it's not as demanding as regular acting; but the vocal training itself and perfecting the craft may take more time than any acting school. l feel like he's a bit underrated as Batman (ditto Mark Hamill as Joker) and even non existent in the conversation when the motion pictures are brought up. PS. You almost saw me as Leon in those new Resident Evil games :)
No secret WB actively ruined the DCEU. Announced multiple projects we never saw. Admitted to never having a plan. Botched multiple movies runtimes & scenes. The music in SS1 could’ve worked like GOTG if the characters interacted with the music.
I still remember watching suicide squad and got disgusted by the guy playing the joker As someone with a mentally ill family member, the guy playing that character didn’t have a clue what mental health really is
I have always believed Ayer is a brilliant director but felt that SS was a huge misstep. This is the first time I have heard the details of his cut, Seems interesting and more fun than what we got.
Hello! Thanks for sharing this interesting informations. I saw the movie for the first time a few days ago and now Im OBSESSED with Joker. He has such appeal and his existence is so badass. I find normal hero films very boring because they have a fully covered suit on and anyone can become a hero. But joker is different for me. For me there is only this one joker with Leto and I would so so so so love to see the extended version.I hope it gets released at someday.
It would’ve been amazing to see Stepenwolf and revealing that he has been controlling Enchantress with the mother boxes and having the parademons being the minions and it would’ve been a great set up to Justice League
Warner Brothers has figured out a new way of making movies. Make two versions, release the shit one first, and then make all that money again by releasing the good one.
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I would love to see “The Ayer Cut“ someday, I don’t think it would fix ever issue, but seeing a darker version would be a much more interesting movie
I think it would fix many of the issues in the theatrical cut tho not all, as Ayer has even admitted.
Why I'm not a fan of his release different versions cut not an automatic make a movie better not every movie is a Blade Runner situation
Agreed although I think this one may be
Yeah well Ayer has lost his credibility really don't like the comment where he said he encourages the toxicity of Snyder's cult I've had some interactions with those scum and they go beyond civil disagreement he shouldn't be rewarded for that
@@captainjakemerica4579People who disagree with you aren't cultists. The left needs to learn this.
There are some cut scenes of Margot and Jared here on YT, and they are downright chilling. They make the Joker seem like a horror movie villain which is completely appropriate imo, but also explains why the other actors were wary around him. Jared said that Aayer shot more than 40 hours worth of film of him and Margot as Harley and Joker. In the extended cut, the Joker appears on screen for about eleven minutes. So I completely understand why he resents WB and DC. If they hadn't been trying to imitate Marvel, SS 2016 could have been amazing.
They did. Gunn's SS felt like Gaurdians of the Galaxy and Deadpool had a baby. 100% better than Ayer's.
I doubt it would be amazing, maybe it wouldnt be as shit but thats as far as i would go
The man is a cult leader, egomaniac and pedophile. That's why people were wary around him
Really? And include those and that will make Jared Leto's Joker seem a bit more interesting? Will the new edit include full scenes? And not just a long montage?
Does the 2020s decade audience have the concentration to watch a 90 minute film? They only watch tik toks
I think the Ayer version at least sounds quite a bit deeper and more visceral. If it is indeed all he wanted to do, I think it may have been a pretty solid film. The character development sounds better, especially with Harley and Joker. Probably not spectacular, with all the meddling still at hand, but seems like worth a watch!
Bruh, them developing Harley and Deadshot’s relationship actually would have been interesting to watch considering the hints throughout
My favorite of the Jared Leto-Suicide Squad set stories is the one where Viola Davis’ husband told Jared to his face that if he tried any of those stunts on his wife then he would kick his ass on sight. Jared did not mess with Viola not a single time for the duration of that shoot😂
Haha that’s amazing I hadn’t heard that
Yeah, apparently Leto sent her a box of bullets and she and (especially) her husband didn’t like that so he had a conversation with him and if you’ve seen what Viola’s husband looks like, you’ll understand he seems the type that you absolutely don’t want to mess with. Viola also said that she kept pepper spray on her whenever she was around Leto - just in case lol
Yikes!
@@sneakykamon They should have gone to the Studio or failing that Police, striking him could have landed him in Prison. Especially if he is much bigger than Leto.
@@sneakykamon - Sounds like the guy never told him anything to Leto's face... I googled it and all I could find was this:
“I did not receive any personally or else I would have got my husband who was called the headache ball back in the day when he played football,” Davis told E!, ahead of a Sunday night Tribeca Film Fest premiere. “I would have [told Julius Tennon], ‘Take care of the Joker.’”
So WB wanted Ayer's Suicide Squad to look like Guardians of the Galaxy. Then when they reboot The Suicide Squad, they bring in the very Director of Guardians of the Galaxy. They like it so much, they want him to reboot the entire DCEU as the DCU. The Director of The Suicide Squad then tells the Director of Suicide Squad that his true vision will be released as it should have been. We'll see if Gunn keeps his word.
Gunn shouldn't Ayer is a jackass
Gunn is a nice person i’m sure he’ll release it
Spoiler Alert: He did not keep his word at all
The Suicide Squad was a collosal box office flop.
Don't know why he ever gave his word in the first place David Ayer success get to his head
To this day I have mixed feelings about Leto’s Joker. I feel like if Affleck had gotten his solo film, and in said film there were scenes that explored the history between Affleck’s Batman and Leto’s Joker that Ayer himself mentioned in interviews (the Robin costume shown in BvS, and Joker’s grille which was caused by Batman literally knocking his teeth out with his steel knuckled gloves) that his version of the character might have been much better. It’s unfortunate that we’ll never know now, for either of their respective versions of the character. Not to mention Joe Mangianello’s Deathstroke
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Damn, I honestly couldn’t agree more
Ayer's original script with parademons could have been a great build up to justice league!
The suicide squad win a small battle, but Stepenwolf's arrival is imminent, so the justice league has to come together
Exactly! Would’ve flowed in nicely
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Haha I don’t love em all but I like anyone who contributes positively. In this case I replied which means I loved what u were saying!
I almost facepalmed when I saw that plot changed in this video. It’s like, does WB know nothing about building up a movie? Do they still in charge with that sense? 😩
honestly, Steppenwolf would work better as a Suicide Squad villain than a Justice League villain
If the Ayer cut really releases one day. That would mean there are 3 version of the same movie.
Suicide squad (2016)
Suicide squad Extended Edition (2016)
David’s Ayer Suicide squad (20- -)
Yup
Bladerunner would like a word (seven versions).
I remember seeing the initial teaser trailer and being very excited for the movie. Enchantress looked so creepy and cool, and I was looking forward to seeing Harleen being turned into Harley.
Almost everything in this video is what I had wanted to see, more of enchantress and a true depiction of joker and Harley’s toxic relationship.
It's incredible and maddening the way studios still haven't learned not to mess with the creator's vision.
To be fair, there are stinkers when the studio didn't mess with the creator's vision and gave him the full reign. And when the stuff is good nobody says, well, that's because the studio forced major changes and it was for the better. It's when the things go south people start pointing fingers and usually those fingers land on the studio
So, you can never know for sure. The movie making is a creative process of a lot of people. There's hardly ever just one person to blame for the shitshow
I enjoyed Suicide Squad, but maybe the dark tone would have actually helped it in credits so I can’t wait to see the “Ayer cut” when it hopefully comes out
I can't believe how insane it is to hire a trailer editing company for a major motion picture
I think the main issue was Suicide Squad had too much going on. I think it would've been easier if the premise was "Amanda Waller test her Task Force X by having them hunt down The Batman. As they do however, they come into conflict with Gotham's Clown Prince of Crime and a member of their own team" so the world ending scope is changed for a just crazy enough action film
Considering WB's track record, I foresee the same problems with James Gunn's new DCU. It's already starting out on the wrong foot with confusion from audiences
Yeah he def should’ve waited to tell everyone he was rebooting until after these last few films came out. Basically makes them meaningless. No wonder they’re bombing.
If Superman Legacy underperforms, WB will intervene..... inevitable. This has been the DC film holding pattern since the 1990s
@Bulletsandblockbusters I can understand releasing Aquaman 2 since you've already established the character and maybe there are fans who want to see it.
But there was no reason at all to FORCE Blue Beetle!!! Like why?!?!?
He's a NEW character why not wait and have him be part of the new continuity???
If the movie is mostly finished and ready to go how about you hold onto it wait, and maybe do a few reshoots and touch ups. Release it AFTER you start your new universe and tie this new character into it.
It's not that hard!
I know it could’ve been sooo much better without the studio’s involvement in butchering it. Not award winning but a complete vision from the director. Ayer’s movies all have depth.
I'm sure the Ayer cut would have been better than what we got, but it still sounds like it has many of the same problems that the studio version does- the entire premise of the Squad being assembled for black-ops missions only to spend the rest of the movie hunting their own renegade teammate, Amanda Waller being dangerously incompetent but still presented as a mastermind, "that" version of The Joker, the whole idea of making a Suicide Squad so early in the DCEU timeline in the first place, the DCEU starting off after Jason Todd has been murdered, Deadshot being more of an anti-hero than a proper villain...
I'd be mildly interested in seeing it, but it sounds like a film that was flawed from the outset.
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Better in this case probably doesn't mean good, just decent.
I want too see the Ayer Cut. Make it a long film like the Snyder Cut. Warner just refuses to stop fcuking up.
Wow, great breakdown! They really do need to release this; it sounds much better and unfair that they totally changed Ayer's vision!
I want so see SS with the tone of the first trailer. That was the DCEU we all wanted.
To this day, I say that Jared Leto's Joker was underrated and underutilized. His Joker was a modern day Golden Age Joker( the clown prince of crime, not the bronze age homicidal maniac that Ledger and Phoenix portrayed.) I loved the design, the tatoos the grills replacing the teeth that Batman knocked out, the slicked back hair, suits, clothes, chains guns cars, and henchmen. It all screamed that this Joker had a value for money and power. These things also enhance and feed into the themes of possesion, and control that the Joker exudes towards Harley, which was apart of their original dynamic in TAS. I also loved how good he pulled off the comic book frame refrenceces in the movie, that shot of him with his face burnt hair ruined in the tux looks just like the Joker in the Batman Endgame comic which released not too long before Suicide Squad was released. I really hope people one day come to understand how unique and refreshing Jared Leto's Joker was so we can see another Joker like this in the future.
I'd be very much down with seeing an Ayer cut. I'm not sure if it was different in any version, but I really laughed out loud when Boomerang got up and left at the end of the big inspirational bar scene. Very funny, but completely undercut when he just pops back up in the slow mo hero shot in the very next scene. I don't think a great version of The Suicide Squad exists, but I'd wager the Ayer cut will bump it up a notch.
The WB cut of Suicide Squad is proof that BvS was *really Poorly* received from audiences.. and the studio was in panic mode! 😄😄
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@@Bulletsandblockbusters ;) Just needs to be reiterated for the small group who thinks BvS was really well received. It was not. It had record weekly dropoff rates for a film of it's scale. Investors must have been pissed. WB had to interfere and save face, otherwise there would have been other consequences.
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The extended cut of bats v supes was revisited by several critics after the release of the snyder cut none say it's perfect but it is much better than the studio version
It was certainly reviewed poorly on release.
Yeah the Ayer Cut sounds like a way better version of Suicide Squad than the theatrical version just like the Snyder Cut was way better than the theatrical version of Justice League
While I would love to see the Ayer Cut someday, I think it was an inherently short sighted idea to make a Suicide Squad movie as the third film in a DC shared film universe. Still, loving the creative freedom that directors and the like are getting nowadays with comic book movies
They always learn the wrong lessons, just cus one thing fails doesn't mean that same approach won't work for other things. Dark and drab doesn't work for BvS, but for suicide squad it would have fit perfectly.
Thank you for all your hard work!
My pleasure!
A movie titled SUICIDE SQUAD with VILLAINS as protagonists, and an EVIL WITCH as the antagonist and WB was worried that it was too dark and dreary?? What were they expecting??
We NEED this film
We really don’t 😂
Lol. We really do
I just hope we get to see the cut as promised by Gunn someday. I trust it will be a lot better and same as Leto's Joker. Ayer said it scared the shit out of the executives and fans who got to see it said it is a more different darker movie and Leto steals it.
Fucking finally there's somebody actually discussing what happened to the movie, they took his serious and personal Suicide Squad movie and tried to make it into Guardians of the Galaxy. They cut a lot of his El Diablo's story(which was personally connected to David Ayer because he was in the gangbanging lifestyle and turn his life around to be a director) when he was supposed to be the main focus being an ex gangbanger supervillain that accidentally killed his family with his superpowers and was going to be useful to the world by turning into his full fire demon hold back Steppenwolf and stall the invasion and live.
WB and Disney will never learn to stop messing with perfectly fine movie's even great one's
A third Burton Batman would have been great, and Schumacher's Batman sequel to Batman Returns would also have been great had the studio greenlit his ideas.
@elevenseven-yq4vu And he was also wanting to do an origen story film for Batman but that was shut down immediately, We would have had Batman begins earlier so I don't know how to feel about that since Batman begins 2005 is pretty goated
@@optimascrime5235 For me it is:
1. Batman Returns
2. The Batman
3. Batman Begins
when it comes to Bats.
I also enjoyed Shazam! and Birds of Prey a lot: A great oldschool children's adventure movie with family values, and a great MacGuffin-chasin' brutal action dark comedy with a manic-psychotic anti-villain as unreliable tall-tale narrator and your typical evil Gothamites chewing the scenery. Especially the last one is totes underrated, might gain a cult following over the coming years - hopefully. I like how it is so bright and colorful, and still has the meanest villains yet, and such a toxic dynamic duo at that. The portrayal of Gotham City as a dog eat dog world is spot on, and yet Harley treats it like it's her personal playground. Such a hoot. Might be my second favourite Gotham on the big screen, right after Batman Returns and slightly ahead of Joker. Oh, and speaking of Joker - such a great movie as well - I loved the set design, the direction, the performances - DeNiro finally back to form instead of just phoning it in.
DC can be great, just give single movies to good filmmakers and trust their vision.
We don't need yet another MCU styled caped telenovela. Trying to emulate that was doomed from the get-go.
Ayer's original version of Suicide Suicide may not be a perfect movie, but I believe at least could be a more cohesive product, the pacing and editing would be better, the story would make a lot more sense and would be accurate to the first trailer released in Comic Con, that was the movie I wanted to see and not some butchered version by the studio with shitty editing, lazy reshoots and forced humor put into it. I hope this version gets released one day.
You could try to talk about some of Flash's cancelled projects, Warner was trying to make a Flash movie since the 80s basically, just to end up on that disaster released this year. The most notorious ones are the David Goyer version, that would have Ryan Reynolds as Wally West, and the Greg Berlanti one, with the same team of writers responsable for the first version of Green Lantern script, later on they also started to develop the Arrowverse on the CW and Berlanti put a lot of elements of his Flash movie script in the first season of The Flash show. The two scripts are available online and both are MUCH better than the crap version that came out this year. Also would be fun if you talk about the cancelled Green Arrow project "Escape From Supermax", this would have been a pretty violent movie with Oliver Queen trying to escape this prison called Supermax and a lot of C-list villains from DC would have appeared, the script is full available online. Also Warner wanted Matt Damon to play the role of Green Arrow in this movie. Another DC cool project that never see the light of day is Guillhermo Del Toro's Justice League Dark, starring John Constantine, Zatanna, Deadman, Swamp Thing and Etrigan, the script is also online, and that one leaked just 2 years ago I believe.
Wow the original version sounded incredible now I want to watch it.
That image of him in his pad, surrounded by knives, guns, laptops, and baby clothes is the definitive Joker image.
So I'm actually am friends with the actor who played Jokers, right hand man. At the time another friend of mine was the Right Hand Man's assistant, he called her and asked for dead pig, because Jared Leto called him and said he needed the pig. He also would invite his Right Hand Man over for s*x parties. The dude legit was nuts in the making of this movie.
Wow. I actually didn’t know anything you described the Ayer Cut to be. Thank you for your extensive research. I hope we get to see it one day. Even if it’s just for fun like the Snyder Cut.
My pleasure. Glad you enjoyed it
Really hope Gunn keeps his word. Much rather see this then yet another reboot Batman.
If I believe anyone I believe Gunn will make it happen.
Mabye doubt it would have to fit the vision and not be reshoots no offense he synder are hacks who use excuses and part of the thing rewards to get likes
When has Gunn ever kept his word?
@@CheekiemoneyWhen has he not? Are you still butthurt about the Snyderverse?
I really wanna see the ayer cut!! I hope it will come out soon. I would pay for it!
Un fucking believable… so what you’re saying is we could’ve had a masterpiece?!!!
P.S. as much as I like the idea of Harley, Quinn and Deadshot, being together, I think Will Smith wasn’t the right person. Can’t help us but feel like he used his power so to speak to get into that position, considering the controversy surrounding his personal life.
I think it would’ve been a very different movie for sure! And hopefully a great one.
Ayer's film deserves to be seen
The Theatrical Cut felt like a Harley & Friends movie to me. I'm glad Ayers wanted to give more depth and focus to the other characters. Also me being Native American, I was sad Slipknot got such a quick death in both versions. I know the guy dies but why did they have Adam Beach promote the movie? Poor guy. 😂
Hopefully Ayer restores his backstory and introduction for the Ayer cut
El Diablo is a First Nation character too esp the Aztec/Mayan god possessing him
@@Reprodestruxion Ah, yeah. My bad. They sometimes don't acknowledge thier native roots.
@@TheNativeEngine gotta remind them. Geronimo spoke Spanish like a norteño and everything
We would all really want to see David Ayer’s true and final vision for this movie. #ReleaseTheAyerCut
If we can get the Snyder Cut, we can certainly get the Ayer Cut. I felt the potential for Jared's Joker.
I’ve been dying for this video! Thanks for looking into this, I love your channel. Keep doing what you do!
Thank you!!!
I remember seeing this in theaters cringing every time another song came on like “why” this is nuts.
One of the things that I said from the beginning was that it was so odd that Suicide Squad was the 3rd movie in the DC Extended Universe yet had nothing to do with the storylines set up in Man of Steel and BvS (outside of that extremely tacked on and illogical post credit scene between Waller and Wayne).
I wondered why they didn’t have the SS go after some international terrorist or something only to find out he was in possession of a Mother Box and being assisted by Parademons, which would have tied into Justice League later.
Clearly Ayer had something like that in mind and the “design by committee” at WB botched it.
Also it might have worked with Snyder’s JL too: introduce the Mother Box, Parademons, and Steppenwolf in SS, but have Enchantress be the ultimate Steppenwolf minion at the end, and set up JL as Steppenwolf teases a larger invasion.
It would have tied to Snyder’s cut just fine.
All of this goes to show that Snyder and Ayers had a better sense of story arcs, styles, and that universe than any DC/WB Executive ever did.
Like I said in your Man of Steel 2 video another movie that would’ve been amazing but interference from the studio kept us from seeing an awesome movie
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I can't describe how excited I was based on the original, somber trailer. And then, well, you know.
Can anyone imagine a world where Warner Brothers actually trust the Creative Vision of the directors that they hired? Sure would be nice to see
Ever heard of Edgar Wright directing Antman?
@@Reprodestruxion I sure have I remember that Marvel screwed him over after he developed the Ant-Man movie for years and then turn the movie over to Peyton Reed
I just realized that Kitana, the actress, is Kimiko from The Boys!!🤯
That shit with Steppenwolf would have been p e r f e c t.
See! Now this would have been so much better!
More Joker!
leto's Joker was outstanding, one must take in the world he's in, along with the Kind of Batman and what the comics are doing at the time. His Joker is a combination of all of those things. And the negtivite comes from the mainstream not fully understanding the character, the Joker changes to fit with the times, he adapts.
Another example of WB sabotaging their own project because the new leadership at that time was attempting to change direction mid contract with the creative talent, instead of trusting their process and following their lead. SS was supposed to be something like Fury and Training Day and everything else Ayers has created. WB and especially the internet media coverage was absolutely horrible, constantly pushing blame onto the director when it’s obvious who was dropping the ball.
Really great job man I would love to see the Ayer cut sometime but this covers can't wait for more.
Thanks!
I need this, with a theatrical re-release, then 6 months later an exclusive HBO release in b&w version
I got to be honest, I checked out once "House of the Rising Sun" was heard.
I thought it was simply too cliche and was evidence it was directed by a committee.
The pronunciation of katana damn near killed me
I still think I prefer Gunn's version. But I wouldn't mind seeing Ayer's vision as well.
i kind of wanted to see more of Enchantress and thought she got a raw deal.
also i had some fun scene ideas in my head for what her interactions with Harley would've been if they were doing mission stuff together. Like Enchantress being really weirded out by Harley being friends with her despite all her creepiness and trying to freak everybody out.
Another great video!
Really makes me want to watch the Ayer cut
Thanks!
2:32 "Never go full Joker." Look who's talking, Will.
The studio moving on from Snyder to finish Justice League made sense, because Snyder had to leave the movie for personal reasons. Whedon was brought in without a lot of time to make something out of it and it didn't help that the movie was heavily micromanaged by Warner Bros to make it even worse. What the studio did to Ayer made absolutely no sense and made for a disjointed, hot mess of a movie.
Really looking forward to seeing this one day still
The biggest mystery to me is why everyone hated this movie. I watched it once and enjoyed it, even thought the deadshot character was great. Maybe if I watched it a second time my opinion might change, but I remember liking it.
Suicide Squad's gotta be the worst experience ive ever had in cinemas, studios test their movies with people with no IQ that prolly watch good doctor or something, hope one day we get the Ayer Cut, Ayer is such a great director
I'm still not convinced it would've been a great movie, but I'm almost certain it would have been a much better movie. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong one day.
I think you're just a James Gunn fan. 😒
Even if the ayer cut is good. Honestly he went too far left or right with how dark the movie was suppose to be. The studio was smart for stepping in.
This is fantastically researched! I'd love to see one of these videos on MIB 23, the cancelled Men In Black and Jump Street crossover film
Thanks! And it’s on the to do list
He´s Joker was great, but even better without the bling blings, tattoos, and the silver teeth :)
If you are hiring a director, you should respect that your hiring them for the previous work they have done and should respect their orginal vision. Just imagine if Apocalypse Now had studios telling him how to do that film.
Thanks for the video, would you rather have the Ayer cut for this movie, or the Trank cut for Fantastic Four 2015, Josh Trank said that his original cut was great but the studio meddling and conflicts ruined it and I can tell
I’m going to eventually do a video on that but can’t say for certain now without knowing more of what trank saw for F4. You?
The Trank cut
@@Sadman-nu4lzagreed, considering we at least got an extended cut of the original SS
After seeing the Snyder cut of JL it blows my mind to think about how many completely different movies never saw the light of day due to studio meddling
@@loganwithlightsabers3051Halloween 6 is a perfect example of a different film.
Letto's Ace Ventura gangsta was ridiculous
We deserve the Ayer Cut.
This 100% the studios fault. I've seen Training Day and that's proof that Ayer knows how to direct a movie, it's so good it won an academy award for best actor (Denzel Washington) but the studio wanted their own Guardians of the Galaxy so bad that they threw away something potentially great.
Brutally honestly, while I do hope the Ayer Cut gets released one day, not only to see the differences to the Theatrical Version on screen and out of Morbid Curiosity, but also because I believe every directors original vision should be seen regardless of the qaulity, I also don't think his cut would be that good.
I mean, yeah, sure it would be better then the Theatrical Version (hell, anything would be better then the Theatrical Version of Suicide Squad 2016, that's one of the reasons I love James Gunns The Suicide Squad, because it's literally just a better version of the concept), we also have to remember, Ayer is the same man who gave us not so great and outright bad films like Sabotage, Fury, Tax Collectors, and Bright. He's not the same director who gave us Training Day and End of Watch anymore and like M. Night Shyamalan, Damian Chazelle, and Michael Bay, his newer films are just not great.
Not to mention, I'd argue this situation is slightly different to that of JL, with Justice League, almost the entirety of Snyders original vision was changed into what Whedon gave us in 2017 with very little from Snyders Version remaining, to the point where it almost feels a different film. With Suicide Squad, while not all of Ayers stuff was left in, a good amount of it is still there. Granted spliced with reshoot stuff and also heavily edited to Cringe levels of Nauseum, but still.
Meaning while yes it would be a better made film, the Ayer Cut I feel would not only still have some of the same problems the Theatrical cut did, but also it I still feel it wouldn't be enough to save it from being a bad movie, or at least a mid movie, because like I said, anything, and I mean ANYTHING, is better then the Theatrical cut. It also means more Jared Leto Joker which...no, just.....just no.
With this said, I still hope the Ayer Cut is released one day, even though I wonder how Gunn is going to do it. He can't make it canon to his universe, because that would mean the Death of Superman already happened by the time Superman Legacy occurs, and also there's alot of stuff in SS 2016 (the Ayer Cut I mean) that I think would contradict the new DCU, and even TSS 2021 for that matter.
So it have to be an Elseworlds Labelled title, but Margot Robbie plays Harley Quinn as well in the Ayer Cut, and Gunn will most likely be staying for the new DCU, so I wonder how Gunn will be able to release and have it be a Elseworlds Labelled film without confusing people.
Hard agree, people tend to forget that the guy basically peaked with training day
Fury is a good movie.
Favorite part of the week, watching Bullets & Blockbusters on Saturday morning, another great video
Thnx fam
WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN....
The Entire DCEU
I’m more interested in seeing David Ayer’s Suicide Squad than I was in seeing Jack Snyder’s Justice League.
DC has nothing coming out between Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom (2023) and Superman: Legacy (2025), right? So why not release David Ayer’s Suicide Squad next year as they transition from the DCEU to the DCU?
Damn I would’ve loved to see Deadshot and Harley together
I think this could have been a great joker under the right direction and story
I think they gunn will eventually release it and I for one can't wait!
I really wanna see the Ayer cut. You can see so much promise when watching that movie and the more I hear about it, the more I wanna see what it was originally. I hope James Gunn delivers on his promise to let David Ayer finish his movie the way he wanted to.
I wonder if now that Marvel's style is on the wane a little, whether a darker Suicide Squad film would be better received than it would have back then, when any non-Marvel superhero film was going to struggle a bit.
I personally always found the calls for Ayer Cut slightly exhausting, but after watching this video I'd actually be interested to see it now.
I so excited to see the Ayer Cut of Suicide Squad.
Wow its almost like Ayers understood the Joker and Harley relationship and now instead we get people posting about how they are relationship goals. No one ruins DC like DC manages to do themselves :/
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WB keeps ruining DC by management/producer interference.
Honestly, I think the better thing to do instead of always having stories where Harley leave Joker would be for her to give just as good as she gets. Maybe Harley can bonk Joker on the head with a mallet every once in a while. And maybe Joker can not want to let her go because she's the only one who appreciates his shtick.
None of Jared's method acting stunts were anyting the joker would ever do. Kind of shows how detached from the character he actually was
Agreed!
Did you hear on the set of Morbius, Leto actually had people escort him to the bathroom because he was using a cane like his character? That certainly didn't help his performance
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A slight side track but within the realm; could you consider creating a reaction tribute to the late and amazing Kevin Conroy? On November 15th will be the first anniversary of his death. He was the sole reason I got into acting. I have a voice acting background and there are some preconceived notions that it's not as demanding as regular acting; but the vocal training itself and perfecting the craft may take more time than any acting school. l feel like he's a bit underrated as Batman (ditto Mark Hamill as Joker) and even non existent in the conversation when the motion pictures are brought up. PS. You almost saw me as Leon in those new Resident Evil games :)
Love Conroy! I grew up on TAS. Maybe in the future I can do a video on him but my plate is full for the immediate future.
@@Bulletsandblockbusters Thank you for the reply!
It will be interesting to see what you put out around then that is so much more important to you
Its the 10th actually
No secret WB actively ruined the DCEU. Announced multiple projects we never saw. Admitted to never having a plan. Botched multiple movies runtimes & scenes. The music in SS1 could’ve worked like GOTG if the characters interacted with the music.
I still remember watching suicide squad and got disgusted by the guy playing the joker
As someone with a mentally ill family member, the guy playing that character didn’t have a clue what mental health really is
The Ayer cut just sounds like it’s objectively better. The back and forth with Joker and Harley sounds so much more interesting
I know it’ll never happen but I’m a big fan of his work and would be very interested to see his cut. Even more so than the Snyder cut tbh.
I have always believed Ayer is a brilliant director but felt that SS was a huge misstep. This is the first time I have heard the details of his cut, Seems interesting and more fun than what we got.
Hello! Thanks for sharing this interesting informations. I saw the movie for the first time a few days ago and now Im OBSESSED with Joker. He has such appeal and his existence is so badass. I find normal hero films very boring because they have a fully covered suit on and anyone can become a hero. But joker is different for me. For me there is only this one joker with Leto and I would so so so so love to see the extended version.I hope it gets released at someday.
It would’ve been amazing to see Stepenwolf and revealing that he has been controlling Enchantress with the mother boxes and having the parademons being the minions and it would’ve been a great set up to Justice League
Warner Brothers has figured out a new way of making movies. Make two versions, release the shit one first, and then make all that money again by releasing the good one.
😂 basically
If James Gunn's words are true he is the hero we both need and deserve at DC!
As someone else said, Hollywood learns the wrong lessons from successful movies.