Amazing to hear how much better the 1938 stock is than the 1959. That creaking and groaning from the 1959 stock is something I always will remember from my time taking the northern line as a kid. Used to scare me as it sounded so dangerous!
Once went down to Epping Station to find a 1959 tube stock train park up on platform 2. It was being used as a maintenance train but my mum thought they were putting a good train onto the track for once.
38 stock for design look and motor whine, and less bumpy ride at full speed , 59 stock more robust slightly faster acceleration rate, although a mate of mine who was a driver on Bakerloo line in the mid 1970's once raced an A60 from Finchley road to Neasden flyover running side, to the shock of the met driver who being over taken by a much older train !
I do remember that rather eerie creaking on the 1959 stock! My memories of 1938 stock are a bit more patchy as there weren't that many around when I was riding the tube in my youth.
Having been a Guard & Motorman on both stocks operationally I’d say 38 was preferred by the Guard and 59 by the Motorman but on purely an aesthetic and ride comfort level the 38 easily wins
The 38 stock was dingy, but design wise - shaped by an artists hand. The 59 stock was bright and modern at that time. I can remember the 38`s flying out of the tunnel from Hendon to Colindale - seemed faster to me than the 59`s. I`m sure they started on the Central and Piccadilly lines first though, the Northern line had to wait years for dedicated new trains!
Indeed. And even then there were not enough 1959 stock trains (even after the entire fleet of Piccadilly line 1959 stock trains were phased out in favour of 1973 stock due to the extension to Heathrow, and thus transferred to the Northern line). The fleet had to be bolstered by the first 30 1972 stock trains
Since the 1959 Stock was only a development of the 1938 Stock, it should be better. The suspension was l lot worse, however (no damping). The 1938 Stock was plagued by troublesom brake compressors (the famous KLL4 rotaries) which the 1959 Stock didn't have. The 1959 Stock also had flourescent lighting (less dingy). the 1938 Stock was all new development at that time, which led to many modifications in service, making it difficult to say which was "better". I found both stocks fascinating!
Pics a bit unfair on the 1959's very sad and tatty whereas the 1938 looks near pristine. Both were wonderful. I thought the interiors of the '59's looked great when well kept with the blue/green seats and blue armrests- suited them perfectly.
Wow. The 70s were also the time when the current-generation 73 stock was introduced. Did you get a chance to drive it? If so, how does it compare to the 38 stock?
I did work experience at Morden in 2004, according to staff, 1959 stock wasn't painted because unlike the 1938 stock, as it was made from aluminium it didn't rust and therefore you didn't need to paint it. However it was only with the rise in trains being defaced with graffiti that they reversed this idea. Part of the idea was an economic development as applying paint adds two tonnes to the weight of a train. Nowadays it is a small price to pay to make it look half decent...
Amazing to hear how much better the 1938 stock is than the 1959. That creaking and groaning from the 1959 stock is something I always will remember from my time taking the northern line as a kid. Used to scare me as it sounded so dangerous!
I can remember riding on the 38 stock as a kid...I was probably about 10, but it felt like I was back in WW2, awesome!
I love both tube stocks. The red 1938 stock is beautiful.
Once went down to Epping Station to find a 1959 tube stock train park up on platform 2. It was being used as a maintenance train but my mum thought they were putting a good train onto the track for once.
1:11 - I will always remember the 1959 stock for that noisy friction sound. That was the sound of neglect, if I am not mistaken.
1938 stock definitely, it looks classy and welcoming. The 1959 stock though looks practical.
38 stock for design look and motor whine, and less bumpy ride at full speed , 59 stock more robust slightly faster acceleration rate, although a mate of mine who was a driver on Bakerloo line in the mid 1970's once raced an A60 from Finchley road to Neasden flyover running side, to the shock of the met driver who being over taken by a much older train !
3:16 „You too can be a sucker“ great ad lol
You should bare in mind the 1938 stock in this video was refurbished for LTM and does railtours etc. Its not a public service train anymore...
the museum love to use the phase "art deco" for the 38 stock
i think thats pushing it a bit
The 1938 stock had a perfect desgn- they should just have upgraded the engine and kept everything the same IMO!
Londona729 it doesn't have an engine.
that's right, I like the inside though.
I do remember that rather eerie creaking on the 1959 stock! My memories of 1938 stock are a bit more patchy as there weren't that many around when I was riding the tube in my youth.
Aluminum actually corrodes faster.
I rode on 59 stock in May/June 98 on the Northern Line. They were very impressive.
1938TS for sure.
Very good indeed. Such great memories.
I remember Metro-Cammell. Nice old trains, just like the Routemaster. Silver presumably means unpainted - so saving on maintenance
Having been a Guard & Motorman on both stocks operationally I’d say 38 was preferred by the Guard and 59 by the Motorman but on purely an aesthetic and ride comfort level the 38 easily wins
Liked both to be honest, but the 59/62's did bounce about a bit on that rubber suspension ! Happy days, and some much missed sounds there.
The 38 stock was dingy, but design wise - shaped by an artists hand. The 59 stock was bright and modern at that time. I can remember the 38`s flying out of the tunnel from Hendon to Colindale - seemed faster to me than the 59`s. I`m sure they started on the Central and Piccadilly lines first though, the Northern line had to wait years for dedicated new trains!
Indeed. And even then there were not enough 1959 stock trains (even after the entire fleet of Piccadilly line 1959 stock trains were phased out in favour of 1973 stock due to the extension to Heathrow, and thus transferred to the Northern line). The fleet had to be bolstered by the first 30 1972 stock trains
1938 stock for the sound and livery and interior 1959 stock for material
They sound the same to me
To me the 59 is silent
They both have the same engine slowing down sound....I have listened to both
Since the 1959 Stock was only a development of the 1938 Stock, it should be better. The suspension was l lot worse, however (no damping). The 1938 Stock was plagued by troublesom brake compressors (the famous KLL4 rotaries) which the 1959 Stock didn't have. The 1959 Stock also had flourescent lighting (less dingy). the 1938 Stock was all new development at that time, which led to many modifications in service, making it difficult to say which was "better". I found both stocks fascinating!
Pics a bit unfair on the 1959's very sad and tatty whereas the 1938 looks near pristine. Both were wonderful. I thought the interiors of the '59's looked great when well kept with the blue/green seats and blue armrests- suited them perfectly.
Michael Kelly I like the peach and black seats
Well the 1938 stock is a London Underground classic while the 1959 stock was ignored a lot but the 1938 stock *BY A LONG COUNTRY MILE* wins
I miss the wine of the MG sets, both lovely trains❤
Great video on underground trains mate 😊
I kinda wished both sets were heritage sets and received the same amount of care before I decided, but I'm going to side with the 38 stock
The LT museum has a 38 stock and the Cravens heritage society has a 4 car 62 stock
I was a motorman on the Piccadilly Line in the 70s.!938 st9ck were more fun to drive.
Wow. The 70s were also the time when the current-generation 73 stock was introduced. Did you get a chance to drive it? If so, how does it compare to the 38 stock?
3:16 you too can be a sucker!? LOL!!
59 all the way. I just love unpainted aluminum (when clean of course)
I would love to commute in 1938 stock!
I'm used to see the 38 because of the island line so 38 for me
1938 is so much better
What about the 1962 stock?
1959 is good to me
Because it says mind the gap the 2nd version
The 1959, 1962 and A Stock got their design from the 1938 Stock.
Subtle differences in traction motor sounds, but basically the same when cruising in all 3 trains. Probably different gearing?
1938 wins
I Think That the 1938 Stock Is Better. Because 1959 Stock Is just the Copy of 1938 stock Incase of the Exterior Design
Unfair i think the 59 stock is good in some ways and 38 stock is good in some ways
Why is it that the 1959 stock trains were so plain on the outside?
i get ur point WHY
Budget on paint? Maybe they invested a lot into the trains themselves that there wasn't much budget for painting.
+Shashank Jain maybe...
I see...
I did work experience at Morden in 2004, according to staff, 1959 stock wasn't painted because unlike the 1938 stock, as it was made from aluminium it didn't rust and therefore you didn't need to paint it. However it was only with the rise in trains being defaced with graffiti that they reversed this idea. Part of the idea was an economic development as applying paint adds two tonnes to the weight of a train. Nowadays it is a small price to pay to make it look half decent...
1959 Tube Stock looks more vintage.
don't make them like they used too!
38s are dearly missed !
1938!!!!
59 looks better
100th liker haha
1959 wins