Came along way since the date of this video, and will always cherished riding those silver trains, not just on the Central line, as better than the current stock, didn’t mind the current Northern line stock after all, did like the interiors of the old trains, the seating and wooden inner windows surrounds.
It's something that's still common on the continent though. Even TGVs with plug doors will have the guard leave the door open as it pulls away. Another thing you still see on the continent that has been out of practice in the UK for ages is propelling on the main line.
I travelled from my depot at Barking Metropolitan as a Guard Motorman to Kennington Depot for my Motormans job in 1979, when we had: 1938s, 56,59, 62 and 71mk1s and I loved every minute of my two years there... My London Underground train driving served me very well when I went onto the mainline on the GE, eventually ending up as HST high speed Instructor Train Driver and Routes Assessor on the Great Western.
@@jonathanspencer5884 I suggest you check your facts about the 38s I drove them on the Northern line from 1979-1981 and they were there when I left the Northern line in 1981 and returned to my home depot at Barking Met.
@@tommydudley4103 I suggest you check yours There is a photo floating around of the last ever 1938 tube stock on the Northern Line taken in 1978 , with the date on it You may be getting mixed up with the Bakerloo Line They did , however , return to the Northern Line in 1986 until 1989
@@jonathanspencer5884 Yes mate your dead right... I spent two years driving tube trains on the Northern line from 1979-1981 and I never had a clue which type rolling stock they were. Really? You irritating fucking prick!
My pleasure....I never dreampt when filming this that anyone but myself or friends would ever see it, funny how the world moves on with technology.....
I had less hassle back then with a biggish full sized E180 video camera than I do now with a little hand held camera..... Lots more jobsworths around now!
The Northern Line was a very interesting place for variety in the 70's with the chance of a 1938 Stock (red), a 1972 Mk1 (all over silver/unpainted) or a '72 Mk2 Stock (silver with red painted doors) turning up. Even after the Mk 2's left (for the Bakerloo/Jubilee Lines) and the '38's went largely for scrap and replaced by the 1959 Stock from the Piccadilly, it was still an interesting line to observe. There was a renewed "flirtation" with red in the late 80's in the rush hours, when they brought back a few 1938 Stock units (I was fortunate enough to have a ride on one one evening in '87), and I believe even one or two '72 Mk2 trains returned to the Northern at that time.
Yes it was a fascinating time to be on the Northern! After the Jubilee recieved its 15 new trains of 83 stock, 15 MkII 72s went back to the Northern for a couple of years around 1983-86 time. The Bakerloo needed 72s in order to go OPO so put in a stock change and from early 86 the 59s headed to the Northern and the MkII's back to the Bakerloo. When the Jubilee got its second batch of 83, those 72s from the Jubilee went straight to the Bakerloo and were worked as crew trains again until Nov 89 when the Bakerloo also went OPO.....
My late gramps used to work at the deopt in Morden until the mid 1990s and remember the 59 stock clattering back and forth from the depot to the station. I remember how he said either at Elephant or Kennington had a piece of platform missing as they used to race back southbound to the deopt of a night
I've just had a quick look, quite impressive! I will view the whole vid when i have more time. I have various bits of Underground trains including a Master Controller column & deadman from a 38 stock, bloody great heavy thing!
Even the Bakerloo MkII's were unpainted and crew operated until late 1987 when the first OPO conversion entered traffic on the Jubilee. A MkI & MkII could be happily coupled together and worked as one train and did so on the Northern years back.
Soi Buakhao Yup, I was referring about the fact that I have never seen before those 1972 stock with guards in action, since i’m only 20 years old and I have only seen 72 trains refurbished with OPO 😄🤭
@@lewisdsd Having been a guard on these badly maintained and cold (well, on the jubilee they were freezing!) trains i can assure you you haven't missed much. Their various mods and referb's over the years haven't done them any favours, the faults & failures taught on the drivers course have to be ingnored when out working on the Bakerloo, the instruction from the engineering side is any faults just get the train behind to push you out! And even this has had problems and shut the service down, at least once.....horrible trains! Although i was out filming them last year.......too desperate by half i think.....
Cracking footage! And great quality for the 1990s. I can remember so many of them old trains that I travelled on as a young lad! The blue doors 72TS, and both of the 59TS livery trains (heritage and corporate), looking forward to the next video!
The quality is quite good as i had a camera that took E180 VHS tapes and filmed direct onto a master tape, nothing was copied as in the smaller video systems where you transfered from a small tape to a larger one.
Soi Buakhao excellent, I look forward to your next video! I’m somewhat jealous at your massive collection of the tube of the 1990s! As I only collected a small amount of worthless trains!
I started in 1985 and have film from then until last year when the D Stock were withdrawn. When i first videoed them they still had guards on them! It seems almost unreal that these 'new' trains have now gone, i grew up with thr R & CO/CP stocks and rode on their farewell railtours, riding on the last D stock was unreal!
You planning on taking any more footage? Eg. When the 1973/1972/1992TS's are withdrawn? Or especially the last IOW Class 483? There's a lot still to come, sadly i'm too young to remember the D Stock when it entered service for the first time, although I at least rode a couple of unrefurb'd D78s, I seemed to enjoy the Northern much more, as well as having 3, maybe 4 stock types at once, several were in different finishes, aluminium, prototype liveries, heritage, it was just somewhat more exciting, albeit slower way of travelling!
@@kinkisharyocoasters When the 59s arrived on the Bakerloo the line was worked by 1938 stock. The 72 MkIIs that had been on there in the 1970s ended up on the Jubilee Line when that opened in May 1979, the 38s staying on the Bakerloo. Due to the early 1980s service cuts there were enough spare trains of 59/62 stock to allow 15 sets of 59 stock to go to the Bakerloo to start 38 stock replacement, when they then went for scrap. The original batch of 15 sets of Jubilee 1983 stock allowed 15 trains of 72 stock to go to the Northern to allow another 15 trains of 59s to go to the Bakerloo. In early 1986 just after the Bakerloo was all 59 worked the line's management put in for a stock change to all 72 stock in order for the line to be OPO converted a few years later. The 72s on the Jubilee were OPO converted and when the 83 MkII's arrived they went straight to the Bakerloo to join those that had come via a stint on the Northern. In the late 1980s when i worked on the line it was a right old merry-go-round of stock transfers!
Hiya Soi, what can I say, yet again cannot believe how much stuff you have recorded from one end of the country to the other, brilliant it’s all great historical interest now and should be recorded for ever on our records, normal them every day transport, You really need to get this on a data base of some descriptions, liked me also
I have all my films copied from VHS (tapes have degraded and have been disposed of) to DVD (twice over) and later on i converted it all to MP4. It is now stored on several hard drives. As you have noticed i got about a bit and still do, not as much these days (not so much to interest me although i am into aircraft these days so that helps add to the chaos!) but i still film!
So funny about all the horror comments at seeing the guard. God it was the normal thing back then. Guards had common sense (although not about photography 😂 evidently). Same as film of the old suburban slams doors flying out of the stations with guards hanging out of them, and the doors always open in hot weather. It's just how it was. Still is in many European countries. I used to be so impressed by the guards as a kid. My 97 yr old aunt loves to tell the story of when I was a kid in the 70s and she used to take me on trips to London to see places (all the stations, all the radio stations, other stuff) and we went from Surbiton which was uber exciting for me (the fast trains!) and a guard once let us ride in with him and he was explaining all the stuff in the compartment and all I did was say "I know, I know". She was mortified 😂
That 59 stock at 10:57 onwards looked awful in that colour scheme. I suppose that it was meant to represent an old livery, but it did not look right,especially with the black? doors. When the aluminium stock was introduced on the tube lines and surface lines, it was said at the time that it saved the weight of several tonnes of paint, and therefore energy used in carrying it around, so I cannot understand the current fashion for multi-coloured paint schemes. I like the trains as they were with silver bodies and black roofs as on most of the stock in your excellent video
The graffetti meance overwhelmed the ali finished stock and scarred it badly. The A60s looked terrible before their refurb. The 59 in mock red was done in 1990 for the Centenary of the tube and stayed red until the end. It was a take on the Standard Stock colour scheme.
The doors just appear black - they were maroon (I did see the train a few times); and, as Sol already said, it was done in an attempt to replicate the early 1920s colour-scheme.
It was probably for the better though, as the unpainted aluminium looked rather worn down from graffiti stains in the end. Also it is somewhat more professional with a corporate livery. The 67TS/72TS does look nice in silver, I will agree.
Thank you! There is more, i have just found one i forgot i took of the DLR at Island Gardens when it was an above ground station, also from 1998. I think the stock used then has all been replaced now so is probably a heritage film!
I think someone will correct me but I think trains often ran from Kennington to High Barnet via CX and Morden to Edgware via Bank. Of course not all trains did that but I think that was the norm.
@@VermyScrubs nowadays, the Northern line service pattern is mainly trains going to Edgware or High Barnet from Morden, mostly go via Bank/Monument and trains via Charing Cross, either start from Kennington or Battersea Power Station. Only a few trains from Morden to Barnet or Edgware, go via Charing Cross.
at 1.26 I believe the unit arriving into Morden is actually a 1962 stock taken from the Central line. I can only assume this due to the stabling light been on the outside due to the placement of the ATO equipment on the central line.
I think you're right re balnd. All surface stock just one type of stock, with the NTFL train set to work on 4 lines, the Nor & Jub look similar not much variety left. I rember when there was a bit of variety in stockplus line workings, Aldwych shuttle, Chesha, Hainault-Woodford, Ep-Ong plus the East London Line was a quirky little world of its own. The first trains i saw down there were 38s with stickers on the doors saying 'step down to get in/step up to get out'! Happy days
The culling of the London Underground 1959 Stock was a drawn-out due to delivery delays with the 1995 Stock. The last 1959 type formation complete with a guard on board ran in early 2000.
I was on the last 59 stock, indeed, the last train on the Underground to have a guard! And i had been on the last 38 stock on the Northern as well, as seen here th-cam.com/video/KqHUeA-xAKc/w-d-xo.html
The 1972mk1 nearly went to serve the Waterloo and City Line thereby releasing the 92 stock to the Central Line but it was not worth the effort and expense to do so. A small number were converted to driver only working and refurbished to Mk2 standard and serve the Bakerloo Line today with its mk2 cousin. They have been life extended to serve the Bakerloo Line longer.
Yes, i heard there was a plan for them to work the W&C. It also would have meant Elephant crews working the line rather than Leytonstone crews but as you say, it was not to be.
It's weird how your perception of time changes. This is 20yrs old but it seems not too much has changed. Yet, I remember bk when I was a teenager watching 20yr old cine home movies from the 1970s and they seemed like ancients history to me at that time
@@forza223bowe5 but I'm talking about what it was like in the 90s when I looked back 20yr to the 70s. 1970s to 1990s = 20yrs 1990s to 2010s =20yrs...... Get it?
I'm surprised some of the 1972mk1s got the experimental paint job with blue doors, white body and red ends but the nterior was untouched. Most mk1s still had the unpainted aluminium body. Guessing TfL was still expementing with the corporate paint job till the current one with the red doors was chosen and approved, now standard on all tube stock. And to think, a year later, the 1972mk1 stock would be withdrawn from the Northern line first, some transferred to the Bakerloo and Victoria lines whilst the rest would have their components recovered to keep the remaining 72s on the Bakerloo line running.
Probaly two reasons, to experiment with and perhaps because the stock had been badly graffettied. As it was due for early withdrawl it didn't matter if the design wasn't right, it could run until scrapped.
Apprantley the mk1s were going to stay on with the 95 stock and get the full refurb package and conversion to driver only working but it was decided to just have the 95 working to save money. It would have been very expensive to fix up the mk1s and convert to driver only working and maintain. Eventually most of the mk1s got the chop and sent for scrap. A small number of mk1s are on the Bakerloo Line. The mk1s were the black sheep of the Northern Line because they were unreliable in terms of operational performance and the 59s were better.
Oludotun John Showemimo It isn’t so simple as the costs were the reason against it. Not on the 1972TS, but the W&C would need to undergo a massive catch up scheme costing tons of cash.
Oludotun John Showemimo Less of that, the 1992TS has many “bodges” and changes on the Central, yes the 1972s would also need changes. But probably only in the interior being refurbished like the 1967s
In Japan they have guards that step out at every station and press a button to sound a warning tone (sometimes it's a musical jingle) when the doors are about to close
In 1998 the service was still mostly the 59 & 72 stock but the new 95 stock got a good hold by 1999 and the last Underground train worked by a Guard happened in 2000 (which i was on!).
Soi Buakhao Yeah, I read they gradually phased them out, so only a couple, if lucky were left by Xmas ‘99. Heh, the ‘72/3s are still running now, at the equivalent age or older to what the ‘59s were in their twilight years. Guess tube stock doesn’t wear out as quickly. Was it particular lines they favoured running them on, btw? As subs for busy times while still manufacturing the newer trains?
The 59s & 72s didn't fit t in the platforms properly, both the front & rear cabs were in the tunnel although all the passenger doors were on the platform. With OPO (and later ATO) operation, they wanted the driver to be on the platform when stopped, so the new stock has slightly longer cars but one less, that way they fit most stations......
oh? our as we call it aluminum 60 years later ain't blemished in the slightest, and corporateers' graffitti is the disturbing genre of the lot, fuck....
@@trainrover I've seen film of American trains that are very shiny but i thought it was because they were stainless steel rather than ali?....I know Underground stock was never that smooth and age just made them more pitted.....
sorry...our office blox here are what I had in mind...yeah, Budd patented that stainless steel that's engineered to ward off rust, which explains our 1950s stock here...no rust indeed 🍸
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I am sure the majority of the mk1s that were released from the Northern line, had their parts salvaged to keep the other 72s on the Bakerloo line running. I have seen mk2s have mk1 doors as replacements for defective mk2 doors.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus okay so they went first as they were a smaller batch and unreliable in performance? At least a few of them are now on the Bakerloo line and the rest salvaged for parts.
The clattering of the doors and the rumbling of the compressors is very evocative. "Misery Line" or not, they seemed a bit less graffiti-removal-stained than on the Central line. Leading set in an experimental livery was that 4:10?
I don't recall it having anything fancy, i think there were just some enthusiastic staff who painted a 7 car train in the new corporate livery (as well as a retro look 59 in red also on this vid). As you can see from this vid the train had already been split, another reason why i don't think is was more than a re-paint because if it had new wiring for upgrades it would only be able to work with another unit that had similar upgrades and this was the only one i know of.
Thanks for uploading this. On seeing the red trains I'd initially thought that is was some of the '38 stock still being used, though I realise now that it's actually '59 stock. Would you know why only some of them were red, would it (as I'd imagine) have been the first ones which were painted red to keep them similar to earlier trains, after which it was probably decided it was easier (and cheaper) just to leave them grey/silver? Thanks
No, the prototype for the 59s was the 1956 stock which had the 5 marker light layout on the front like the 38s, and they were unpainted aliminium. All the 59s were delivered as unpainted, one 7 car set was painted red in 1990 to celebrate the centenary of the Northern line. This was possible as there are a lot of 'cranks (ie enthusiasts) working for London Underground (as indeed there are on the Main Line) and the unit kept its red colour scheme until withdrawl. One car of the red set is at the Epping-Ongar Railway while another survives nearby at Mangapps Farm Museum.
From the introduction of Standard Stock in the 1920s (trains before this had Gatemen who opened and closed a couple of sets of manual gates, plus a Guard & Driver, perhaps a 7 man crew!) which had air worked doors which could be controlled by one man, the Guard, trains have been built for 2 man operation up to & including D and 83 Stocks (inc some of the first batch of 83 MkII stock). The first OPO built stock was the 92s on the Central, all other older stock has been converted from crew operation to OPO.
Yes, i rode the D Stock when new, passenger door buttons and no opening windows. Although they got too hot in summer so they got a mod to put in opening windows plus in the summer the passenger door control was isolated. When the Guard hit the door opening buttons the doors actually opened up the length of the train. In winter it went back to as built. The Vic was actually ATO-Automatic Train Operation. ATO operators were for years the highest paid drivers on the system and you needed 25+ years seniority to get on the line. It is now the most junior as all lines get the same rate and this line is all in tunnel, the're better lines to work on. Although the first squadron driver driving OPO was the Hammersmith Metroploitan Line in 1984 the first OPO working on the Underground was the Acton Town to South Acton shuttle, worked by a single car, double cabbed Q Stock. It left Ealing Common Depot with a guard but once it had done its first trip to South Acton & back it was locked in on the branch and so worked by the driver only. A guard only returned for the last trip when it went back out on the main line to go back to Ealing Common. Also if both single Q Cars were defective a 2 car Q was used and that had a guard all the time.
Yes, there were a few out and about. I think i filmed a few during the day, i was out from about 10.00 until 19.00 so there will be more vids uploaded in the future.
There's apossibility that a car or two are on Gurnsey. There is a short line that has two tube cars push/pulled by a small diesel shunter. It used to be a 38 stock but i believe it is now two cars of the red 59.
An update!-i have just a TH-cam vid take in June 18 of the Epping-Ongar Railway. In it you can clearly see a car of the red 59 stock unit in sidings east of North Weald station. Just one car sadly and not the whole train but it's nice to see an Underground train back on the line.
Thought the 1972mk1 terminating at Kennington was a 1967 stock modified for the Northern line until I found out they were the 7 car crew operated versions of iits 1967 cousin.
72's were a cheap build train and needed for two reasons, 1-to help replace the 38's on the NOrthern that were falling apart, and 2-the keep Metro-Cammell in business! The easiest way was to mess about with the plans for the 67's and make a crew operated, 7 car version. The shunting equipment in the UNDM cars has come from ex Northern Line 1949 stock UNDM cars, and i'm not sure it was new to them either!
@@jonah6404 It's a moot point.....both are rancid junk! It's funny to think the 92s now are the age the 62s were when LUL started to replace them.........and there is no plan for either the 72s or the 92s to be going anywhere soon, indeed they are being refurb'd for at least another 10 years operation! Only the Picc is getting new stock but even then there will be no re-signalling.....Metal Mickey at Earls Court will have to soldier on with it's 1970s tech for another 10 years plus.....
1:12 What did that guard say to you? Also pretty risky keeping the door open that close to the tunnel, I imagine there were incidents of decapitation when guards operated, right?
I don't think he was talking to me but the staff on the platform behind me. And no, guards didn't decapitate them selves on the tunnel headwall!. I was a tube guard and the rule was see the train out of the platform two thirds of the way along the platform, a lot of guards didn't managed this far, a lot got their heads in as soon as the train moved off!.....
Another fantastic footage fest. Do you happen to have any footage of either the Met Line on the watford branch past (and including) north Harrow, or the 1983 stock at the stations between Swiss Cottage and Charing Cross?
It’s funny seeing unpainted tube trains now ,even if the graffiti problem never happened the unpainted finish never looked really clean unlike the stainless steak finish of New York ,when LU decided to paint the trains things started to look tidier on the tube unpainted aluminium over the years unless it’s really well polished didn’t wear well shame as it could look great
The trouble with the aluminium is that it gets pitted over time and the dirt gets ground right in. In New York they used stainless steel which has a nice, smooth finish which is easy to clean....
@Joe Schmo I think you'll find that is the other way around re 72s! The MkI's were the same as the Vic, the Picc 73s were blue DMS+SMS bus style as were the 72 MkII's, i seem to recall the blue seats when i worked the MkII's on the Jubilee & Bakerloo in the 1980s.....
@Joe Schmo No worries, i worked on the 72s & 59s for 5 years and even i can't be 100% sure! My brian is too full of nonsense.....some of leaks out.....lol
@Joe Schmo All i remember of both the R & CO/CP stock interiors is a green colour. I never saw a red R stock, they were all white or unpainted by 1970s when i grew up. I too have the A5 size R Stock Story as well as the campanion CO/CP one...good books!
A60 s were easily uplgraded as they were bigger trains being surface stock, plenty of room for the extra equipment. The 59 & 62 stocks were tube trains and so much smaller where the equipment they already had was more compact. LT decided that the cost of OPO fitment for perhaps a 10 year life wasn't worth the cost and that new trains were a better option sadly!
I think the plan was to use 72s and tansfer the line to Bakerloo control and use Elephant crews to work it. As it stands it's under Central Line control and worked by Leytonstone crews who travel further to get there!
Yes, I believe so, then again it might not have been worth it, as it would cost lots to convert the MK1s to OPO, and they would need an extensive overhaul, and the condition they were in after ploughing along the Northern Line meant it just wasn't worth it, plus the W&C 1992TS would need all the modifications fitted to the Central Line units. Sure, the Central Line would benefit as there would be more trains, so faulty units could be deputised for, but in all honesty, it was probably not worth it.
There was a vague plan to put OPO converted MkI's on the W&C and have Elephant crews run the line while the 92s would be transfered to the Central. But i think there was some sort of major difference to the BR built ones against the LT built ones and the plan went no further. So today Central Line Leytonstone crews work the W&C rather than two stops away Elephant crews!
It does seem rather pointless, as it must be rather inconvenient for the staff at Leytonstone, then again, it would've been a real pain to refurbish the Mk1s, as unit number 5 (which I believe was numbered 3212) was severely vandalised after a very short time at Acton inside and out, whereas the other 4 at Hainault seemed to be in reasonable nick. Still just wasn't worth it, as I recall the structural condition of the Northern Line trains was looking rather bleak, right?
Too much cost to fix up the mk1 1972 to driver only operation and then heavy refurbish. Thats wht TfL only did about 3 or 4 mk1 ex Northern line units and they are on the Bakerloo Line today with the mk2.
Miss these 1959 and 1972mk1 stock Northen line soldiers. They defined the Northern line for me as a kid
When the 95's were introduced, they must have looked and felt extremely modern compared to the trains that were running before.
Came along way since the date of this video, and will always cherished riding those silver trains, not just on the Central line, as better than the current stock, didn’t mind the current Northern line stock after all, did like the interiors of the old trains, the seating and wooden inner windows surrounds.
I love the guards with the door open lol wouldn’t get away with that anymore
That's how the job was done. As you left a platform the guard was supposed to watch the train out of the platform for about 2/3 of the way out.
That’s so cool 😎😂
It's something that's still common on the continent though. Even TGVs with plug doors will have the guard leave the door open as it pulls away. Another thing you still see on the continent that has been out of practice in the UK for ages is propelling on the main line.
The heritage livery was absolutely gorgeous
Love seeing old tube stock in action.
I travelled from my depot at Barking Metropolitan as a Guard Motorman to Kennington Depot for my Motormans job in 1979, when we had: 1938s, 56,59, 62 and 71mk1s and I loved every minute of my two years there... My London Underground train driving served me very well when I went onto the mainline on the GE, eventually ending up as HST high speed Instructor Train Driver and Routes Assessor on the Great Western.
Not many travelling Motormen from the District liked travelling to the deep tubes to get their jobs, you must have been the exception!.....
The 1938 tube stock had it's last train leave the Northern Line in 1978 , so that can not be
@@jonathanspencer5884 I suggest you check your facts about the 38s I drove them on the Northern line from 1979-1981 and they were there when I left the Northern line in 1981 and returned to my home depot at Barking Met.
@@tommydudley4103 I suggest you check yours
There is a photo floating around of the last ever 1938 tube stock on the Northern Line taken in 1978 , with the date on it
You may be getting mixed up with the Bakerloo Line
They did , however , return to the Northern Line in 1986 until 1989
@@jonathanspencer5884 Yes mate your dead right... I spent two years driving tube trains on the Northern line from 1979-1981 and I never had a clue which type rolling stock they were. Really? You irritating fucking prick!
always loved how this stock looked, never got to see one even as a kid tho, until now, ty for uploading
My pleasure....I never dreampt when filming this that anyone but myself or friends would ever see it, funny how the world moves on with technology.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus well always nice to have a record of the past hehe
1:10 "no cameras allowed"😂
I forgot how skittish people were about recording before camera phones.
I had less hassle back then with a biggish full sized E180 video camera than I do now with a little hand held camera..... Lots more jobsworths around now!
Tyne and wear metro is the same. They have bylaws preventing the use of cameras without permission.
The Northern Line was a very interesting place for variety in the 70's with the chance of a 1938 Stock (red), a 1972 Mk1 (all over silver/unpainted) or a '72 Mk2 Stock (silver with red painted doors) turning up. Even after the Mk 2's left (for the Bakerloo/Jubilee Lines) and the '38's went largely for scrap and replaced by the 1959 Stock from the Piccadilly, it was still an interesting line to observe. There was a renewed "flirtation" with red in the late 80's in the rush hours, when they brought back a few 1938 Stock units (I was fortunate enough to have a ride on one one evening in '87), and I believe even one or two '72 Mk2 trains returned to the Northern at that time.
Yes it was a fascinating time to be on the Northern! After the Jubilee recieved its 15 new trains of 83 stock, 15 MkII 72s went back to the Northern for a couple of years around 1983-86 time. The Bakerloo needed 72s in order to go OPO so put in a stock change and from early 86 the 59s headed to the Northern and the MkII's back to the Bakerloo. When the Jubilee got its second batch of 83, those 72s from the Jubilee went straight to the Bakerloo and were worked as crew trains again until Nov 89 when the Bakerloo also went OPO.....
The proper sounds of the underground
Yes, a sound pretty much that's disappeared.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus There you are not wrong, i miss the 80,s 90,s and a bit of early 2000's nowadays its all computerised shit
My late gramps used to work at the deopt in Morden until the mid 1990s and remember the 59 stock clattering back and forth from the depot to the station. I remember how he said either at Elephant or Kennington had a piece of platform missing as they used to race back southbound to the deopt of a night
Yes, it had been known for train crews to get a move in in the past, not so much now with data recorders and cameras everywhere.
Just simply amazing. The northern when it had proper trains. Oh the memories.
I'm pleased you've enjoyed it!
Yep the legendary 1959 ank 1972mk1 stock, 1967 and 1972mk2 cousins
Aaron Oxford The older trains seemed more powerful and faster
As it was before it all went south . 62 at Mordon . Superb footage and also of the heritage 59 eight car
Yes, the Northern had a few trains of 62 stock which apart from some minor differences could work with the 56 & 59 stock and was mixed in with them.
Soi Buakhao have you seen my 62 stock cab simulator I’ve built with working whistle ? It’s on my channel !
I've just had a quick look, quite impressive! I will view the whole vid when i have more time. I have various bits of Underground trains including a Master Controller column & deadman from a 38 stock, bloody great heavy thing!
It’s strange seeing those 1972 stock with an unpainted aluminium scheme and with guards! I’m so used to seeing OPO on the Bakerloo nowadays!
Even the Bakerloo MkII's were unpainted and crew operated until late 1987 when the first OPO conversion entered traffic on the Jubilee. A MkI & MkII could be happily coupled together and worked as one train and did so on the Northern years back.
Soi Buakhao Yup, I was referring about the fact that I have never seen before those 1972 stock with guards in action, since i’m only 20 years old and I have only seen 72 trains refurbished with OPO 😄🤭
@@lewisdsd Having been a guard on these badly maintained and cold (well, on the jubilee they were freezing!) trains i can assure you you haven't missed much. Their various mods and referb's over the years haven't done them any favours, the faults & failures taught on the drivers course have to be ingnored when out working on the Bakerloo, the instruction from the engineering side is any faults just get the train behind to push you out! And even this has had problems and shut the service down, at least once.....horrible trains! Although i was out filming them last year.......too desperate by half i think.....
AMAZING FOOTAGE THANKS☺ I USED TO GET ON THE NORTHERN LINE EVERY DAY TO SCHOOL IN THE 90'S
You were lucky enough to just catch the end of crew working on the Underground. As these trains went so did the guards!
Cracking footage! And great quality for the 1990s. I can remember so many of them old trains that I travelled on as a young lad! The blue doors 72TS, and both of the 59TS livery trains (heritage and corporate), looking forward to the next video!
The quality is quite good as i had a camera that took E180 VHS tapes and filmed direct onto a master tape, nothing was copied as in the smaller video systems where you transfered from a small tape to a larger one.
Soi Buakhao excellent, I look forward to your next video! I’m somewhat jealous at your massive collection of the tube of the 1990s! As I only collected a small amount of worthless trains!
I started in 1985 and have film from then until last year when the D Stock were withdrawn. When i first videoed them they still had guards on them! It seems almost unreal that these 'new' trains have now gone, i grew up with thr R & CO/CP stocks and rode on their farewell railtours, riding on the last D stock was unreal!
You planning on taking any more footage? Eg. When the 1973/1972/1992TS's are withdrawn? Or especially the last IOW Class 483? There's a lot still to come, sadly i'm too young to remember the D Stock when it entered service for the first time, although I at least rode a couple of unrefurb'd D78s, I seemed to enjoy the Northern much more, as well as having 3, maybe 4 stock types at once, several were in different finishes, aluminium, prototype liveries, heritage, it was just somewhat more exciting, albeit slower way of travelling!
Great to see the two carriages now on Alderney Railway running as they did originally at 10:57 (numbers 1044 and 1045).
Nice to know they survived, i used to work on those cars when i was on the Bakerloo back in the 1980s......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus why did the 59 stock do that brief stint on the Bakerloo? Was something wrong with the 1972 stock on that line?
@@kinkisharyocoasters When the 59s arrived on the Bakerloo the line was worked by 1938 stock. The 72 MkIIs that had been on there in the 1970s ended up on the Jubilee Line when that opened in May 1979, the 38s staying on the Bakerloo. Due to the early 1980s service cuts there were enough spare trains of 59/62 stock to allow 15 sets of 59 stock to go to the Bakerloo to start 38 stock replacement, when they then went for scrap. The original batch of 15 sets of Jubilee 1983 stock allowed 15 trains of 72 stock to go to the Northern to allow another 15 trains of 59s to go to the Bakerloo. In early 1986 just after the Bakerloo was all 59 worked the line's management put in for a stock change to all 72 stock in order for the line to be OPO converted a few years later. The 72s on the Jubilee were OPO converted and when the 83 MkII's arrived they went straight to the Bakerloo to join those that had come via a stint on the Northern. In the late 1980s when i worked on the line it was a right old merry-go-round of stock transfers!
Wonderful footage, please upload more London underground stuff if you have it. Thanks
There is more! And yes, i will up-load!!!
Hiya Soi, what can I say, yet again cannot believe how much stuff you have recorded from one end of the country to the other, brilliant it’s all great historical interest now and should be recorded for ever on our records, normal them every day transport, You really need to get this on a data base of some descriptions, liked me also
I have all my films copied from VHS (tapes have degraded and have been disposed of) to DVD (twice over) and later on i converted it all to MP4. It is now stored on several hard drives. As you have noticed i got about a bit and still do, not as much these days (not so much to interest me although i am into aircraft these days so that helps add to the chaos!) but i still film!
So funny about all the horror comments at seeing the guard. God it was the normal thing back then. Guards had common sense (although not about photography 😂 evidently). Same as film of the old suburban slams doors flying out of the stations with guards hanging out of them, and the doors always open in hot weather. It's just how it was. Still is in many European countries. I used to be so impressed by the guards as a kid.
My 97 yr old aunt loves to tell the story of when I was a kid in the 70s and she used to take me on trips to London to see places (all the stations, all the radio stations, other stuff) and we went from Surbiton which was uber exciting for me (the fast trains!) and a guard once let us ride in with him and he was explaining all the stuff in the compartment and all I did was say "I know, I know". She was mortified 😂
That 59 stock at 10:57 onwards looked awful in that colour scheme. I suppose that it was meant to represent an old livery, but it did not look right,especially with the black? doors.
When the aluminium stock was introduced on the tube lines and surface lines, it was said at the time that it saved the weight of several tonnes of paint, and therefore energy used in carrying it around, so I cannot understand the current fashion for multi-coloured paint schemes.
I like the trains as they were with silver bodies and black roofs as on most of the stock in your excellent video
The graffetti meance overwhelmed the ali finished stock and scarred it badly. The A60s looked terrible before their refurb. The 59 in mock red was done in 1990 for the Centenary of the tube and stayed red until the end. It was a take on the Standard Stock colour scheme.
The doors just appear black - they were maroon (I did see the train a few times); and, as Sol already said, it was done in an attempt to replicate the early 1920s colour-scheme.
Reminds me of the opening to down in the tube station at midnight
Yes it was a bit quiet where i was. It was just after the morning peak so was fairly quiet at Morden.....
12:03 it's not The Jam, it's The Cure ;)
@@alibootboy You’re Jumping Someone Else’s Train :-)
The 67s and 72s still look very futuristic when all silver, the corporate colours ruined them.
It was probably for the better though, as the unpainted aluminium looked rather worn down from graffiti stains in the end. Also it is somewhat more professional with a corporate livery. The 67TS/72TS does look nice in silver, I will agree.
I disagree. The livery took decades off them. Same with the A stock (and C?).
Soi your films just get better and better!!
Thank you! There is more, i have just found one i forgot i took of the DLR at Island Gardens when it was an above ground station, also from 1998. I think the stock used then has all been replaced now so is probably a heritage film!
Soi Buakhao Yes Indeed! Anymore Underground stuff of this exceptional quality please?
Lots more! Maybe some 59s on the tube section of the Bakerloo?
The unpainted 1972mk1 arriving into Golders Green going to Edgware, did it come from Morden or Kennington via Bank/Monument or Charing Cross?
I can't remember now.....
I think someone will correct me but I think trains often ran from Kennington to High Barnet via CX and Morden to Edgware via Bank. Of course not all trains did that but I think that was the norm.
@@VermyScrubs nowadays, the Northern line service pattern is mainly trains going to Edgware or High Barnet from Morden, mostly go via Bank/Monument and trains via Charing Cross, either start from Kennington or Battersea Power Station.
Only a few trains from Morden to Barnet or Edgware, go via Charing Cross.
at 1.26 I believe the unit arriving into Morden is actually a 1962 stock taken from the Central line. I can only assume this due to the stabling light been on the outside due to the placement of the ATO equipment on the central line.
Yes i believe so! Good point Glenn Walker
The 1962 stock formed 3 cars and the 59s the remaining 4 cars
Usual timeless quality thanks Soi. Good time to catch the line before it all went rather bland.
There will be more uploaded in time......
I think you're right re balnd. All surface stock just one type of stock, with the NTFL train set to work on 4 lines, the Nor & Jub look similar not much variety left. I rember when there was a bit of variety in stockplus line workings, Aldwych shuttle, Chesha, Hainault-Woodford, Ep-Ong plus the East London Line was a quirky little world of its own. The first trains i saw down there were 38s with stickers on the doors saying 'step down to get in/step up to get out'! Happy days
The culling of the London Underground 1959 Stock was a drawn-out due to delivery delays with the 1995 Stock. The last 1959 type formation complete with a guard on board ran in early 2000.
I was on the last 59 stock, indeed, the last train on the Underground to have a guard! And i had been on the last 38 stock on the Northern as well, as seen here th-cam.com/video/KqHUeA-xAKc/w-d-xo.html
9:33 great cut ;)
Not set by me, it's auto-generated by YT....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus doesn't matter; I still like it :)
9:33 that cut...
Always will be remembered &+ always running
I do have more and will upload over time....
... oh wow. Blue doors on LU never seen that before (excl special temp. livery)
Goes back to when LU were deciding what livery they wanted to have as their new corporate look.
The 1972mk1 nearly went to serve the Waterloo and City Line thereby releasing the 92 stock to the Central Line but it was not worth the effort and expense to do so.
A small number were converted to driver only working and refurbished to Mk2 standard and serve the Bakerloo Line today with its mk2 cousin.
They have been life extended to serve the Bakerloo Line longer.
Yes, i heard there was a plan for them to work the W&C. It also would have meant Elephant crews working the line rather than Leytonstone crews but as you say, it was not to be.
It's weird how your perception of time changes. This is 20yrs old but it seems not too much has changed. Yet, I remember bk when I was a teenager watching 20yr old cine home movies from the 1970s and they seemed like ancients history to me at that time
It freighens me to think i've been video for over 30 years! And happily am still at it.......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus keep up the good work my dude. 👍
@Nick Lindsey before you know it, it'll be 2029 and you think "blimey, where as the time gone" lol
1998, wasn’t that long ago compared to the 1970s
@@forza223bowe5 but I'm talking about what it was like in the 90s when I looked back 20yr to the 70s.
1970s to 1990s = 20yrs
1990s to 2010s =20yrs......
Get it?
I'm surprised some of the 1972mk1s got the experimental paint job with blue doors, white body and red ends but the nterior was untouched.
Most mk1s still had the unpainted aluminium body.
Guessing TfL was still expementing with the corporate paint job till the current one with the red doors was chosen and approved, now standard on all tube stock.
And to think, a year later, the 1972mk1 stock would be withdrawn from the Northern line first, some transferred to the Bakerloo and Victoria lines whilst the rest would have their components recovered to keep the remaining 72s on the Bakerloo line running.
Probaly two reasons, to experiment with and perhaps because the stock had been badly graffettied. As it was due for early withdrawl it didn't matter if the design wasn't right, it could run until scrapped.
To think this was only 24 years ago
Yes, it does look so old now......
some of these former 1972 mk1 units are on the Bakerloo line. I heard some of the 1967 stock cars are on the Bakerloo as well
I've never know that '59 stock had LU livery before.
Only one 7 car train was done although it was split up at some point and mixed in with the rest of the fleet
Soi this is amazing
Thank you, there is more!
Apprantley the mk1s were going to stay on with the 95 stock and get the full refurb package and conversion to driver only working but it was decided to just have the 95 working to save money. It would have been very expensive to fix up the mk1s and convert to driver only working and maintain.
Eventually most of the mk1s got the chop and sent for scrap. A small number of mk1s are on the Bakerloo Line.
The mk1s were the black sheep of the Northern Line because they were unreliable in terms of operational performance and the 59s were better.
If it wasn’t for the indecisive LT, they’d be on the Waterloo and City!
@@NC-002 TfL would have repacked them for the Waterloo and City Line, releasing the 1992 stock to the Central Line
Oludotun John Showemimo It isn’t so simple as the costs were the reason against it. Not on the 1972TS, but the W&C would need to undergo a massive catch up scheme costing tons of cash.
@@NC-002 I agree there with you there, it will cost a fortune to get the mk1s bang up to date.
Oludotun John Showemimo Less of that, the 1992TS has many “bodges” and changes on the Central, yes the 1972s would also need changes. But probably only in the interior being refurbished like the 1967s
Any footage of the 1995 stock?
Bring back the Guards.
that will never happen
In Japan they have guards that step out at every station and press a button to sound a warning tone (sometimes it's a musical jingle) when the doors are about to close
Why does it seem the older trains has 7 coaches when modern northern line trains have 6?
They aren't as long so they can fit into the platforms properly, the older stock had the cabs at both ends in the tunnel up to the first set of doors.
How many of the ‘59 stock were still running back then?
In 1998 the service was still mostly the 59 & 72 stock but the new 95 stock got a good hold by 1999 and the last Underground train worked by a Guard happened in 2000 (which i was on!).
Soi Buakhao Yeah, I read they gradually phased them out, so only a couple, if lucky were left by Xmas ‘99. Heh, the ‘72/3s are still running now, at the equivalent age or older to what the ‘59s were in their twilight years. Guess tube stock doesn’t wear out as quickly.
Was it particular lines they favoured running them on, btw? As subs for busy times while still manufacturing the newer trains?
I’m pretty sure car 1044 is in Alderney now.
I've worked that one, it was a Bakerloo one in the 1980s.....
Tom Lee Yeah it and 1045 are
Why do modern day nothern line trains have 6 carriages but these have 7?
The 59s & 72s didn't fit t in the platforms properly, both the front & rear cabs were in the tunnel although all the passenger doors were on the platform. With OPO (and later ATO) operation, they wanted the driver to be on the platform when stopped, so the new stock has slightly longer cars but one less, that way they fit most stations......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus thanks !!
If think them old 1968 stock trains were much faster compared to the new stock trains.
Not really, the line speed isn't bthat great on the Northern, and 59/62s were good for around 50 when whipped up!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus true compared to the Victoria line stock.
they went against their post-war aluminum endeavours by encumbering their appearance with livery?!
The aliminium scarred badly over time plus the graffiti menace didn't help!
oh? our as we call it aluminum 60 years later ain't blemished in the slightest, and corporateers' graffitti is the disturbing genre of the lot, fuck....
@@trainrover I've seen film of American trains that are very shiny but i thought it was because they were stainless steel rather than ali?....I know Underground stock was never that smooth and age just made them more pitted.....
sorry...our office blox here are what I had in mind...yeah, Budd patented that stainless steel that's engineered to ward off rust, which explains our 1950s stock here...no rust indeed 🍸
1:23 You can just hear a 1995 tube stock train in the background
Yes, a few were in traffic at this time, some of the 72 Stock had already been withdrawn.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I am sure the majority of the mk1s that were released from the Northern line, had their parts salvaged to keep the other 72s on the Bakerloo line running.
I have seen mk2s have mk1 doors as replacements for defective mk2 doors.
Were the 1972mk1s getting chopped off the Northern line gradually?
They were withdrawn one at a time rather in one go....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus okay so they went first as they were a smaller batch and unreliable in performance? At least a few of them are now on the Bakerloo line and the rest salvaged for parts.
The clattering of the doors and the rumbling of the compressors is very evocative. "Misery Line" or not, they seemed a bit less graffiti-removal-stained than on the Central line. Leading set in an experimental livery was that 4:10?
Did the refurbished 1959 stock in LUL livery have a hustle alarm?
I don't recall it having anything fancy, i think there were just some enthusiastic staff who painted a 7 car train in the new corporate livery (as well as a retro look 59 in red also on this vid). As you can see from this vid the train had already been split, another reason why i don't think is was more than a re-paint because if it had new wiring for upgrades it would only be able to work with another unit that had similar upgrades and this was the only one i know of.
some people said it looked like mutton dressed as lamb
Thanks for uploading this. On seeing the red trains I'd initially thought that is was some of the '38 stock still being used, though I realise now that it's actually '59 stock. Would you know why only some of them were red, would it (as I'd imagine) have been the first ones which were painted red to keep them similar to earlier trains, after which it was probably decided it was easier (and cheaper) just to leave them grey/silver? Thanks
No, the prototype for the 59s was the 1956 stock which had the 5 marker light layout on the front like the 38s, and they were unpainted aliminium. All the 59s were delivered as unpainted, one 7 car set was painted red in 1990 to celebrate the centenary of the Northern line. This was possible as there are a lot of 'cranks (ie enthusiasts) working for London Underground (as indeed there are on the Main Line) and the unit kept its red colour scheme until withdrawl. One car of the red set is at the Epping-Ongar Railway while another survives nearby at Mangapps Farm Museum.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Oh right, thanks for your response
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So the 1959 and 1962 were specially built for 2 man working for both Central and Northern lines?
From the introduction of Standard Stock in the 1920s (trains before this had Gatemen who opened and closed a couple of sets of manual gates, plus a Guard & Driver, perhaps a 7 man crew!) which had air worked doors which could be controlled by one man, the Guard, trains have been built for 2 man operation up to & including D and 83 Stocks (inc some of the first batch of 83 MkII stock). The first OPO built stock was the 92s on the Central, all other older stock has been converted from crew operation to OPO.
D stock before refurb and 83 stock had button doors. The Victoria line has always been OPO. The 86 type was a prototype 92 train.
Yes, i rode the D Stock when new, passenger door buttons and no opening windows. Although they got too hot in summer so they got a mod to put in opening windows plus in the summer the passenger door control was isolated. When the Guard hit the door opening buttons the doors actually opened up the length of the train. In winter it went back to as built. The Vic was actually ATO-Automatic Train Operation. ATO operators were for years the highest paid drivers on the system and you needed 25+ years seniority to get on the line. It is now the most junior as all lines get the same rate and this line is all in tunnel, the're better lines to work on. Although the first squadron driver driving OPO was the Hammersmith Metroploitan Line in 1984 the first OPO working on the Underground was the Acton Town to South Acton shuttle, worked by a single car, double cabbed Q Stock. It left Ealing Common Depot with a guard but once it had done its first trip to South Acton & back it was locked in on the branch and so worked by the driver only. A guard only returned for the last trip when it went back out on the main line to go back to Ealing Common. Also if both single Q Cars were defective a 2 car Q was used and that had a guard all the time.
Were 1995 trains running yet?
Yes, there were a few out and about. I think i filmed a few during the day, i was out from about 10.00 until 19.00 so there will be more vids uploaded in the future.
So many memories! Did that red painted unit survive into preservation?
There's apossibility that a car or two are on Gurnsey. There is a short line that has two tube cars push/pulled by a small diesel shunter. It used to be a 38 stock but i believe it is now two cars of the red 59.
An update!-i have just a TH-cam vid take in June 18 of the Epping-Ongar Railway. In it you can clearly see a car of the red 59 stock unit in sidings east of North Weald station. Just one car sadly and not the whole train but it's nice to see an Underground train back on the line.
Thanks Soi, its good to know there are some survivors.
@@bobwood856 There is also a few cars in the Mangapps Railway Museum, but they're for display purposes.
Thought the 1972mk1 terminating at Kennington was a 1967 stock modified for the Northern line until I found out they were the 7 car crew operated versions of iits 1967 cousin.
72's were a cheap build train and needed for two reasons, 1-to help replace the 38's on the NOrthern that were falling apart, and 2-the keep Metro-Cammell in business! The easiest way was to mess about with the plans for the 67's and make a crew operated, 7 car version. The shunting equipment in the UNDM cars has come from ex Northern Line 1949 stock UNDM cars, and i'm not sure it was new to them either!
@@oludotunjohnshowemimo434 Yes!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus 1972 stock is way better than the 1992 stock
@@jonah6404 It's a moot point.....both are rancid junk! It's funny to think the 92s now are the age the 62s were when LUL started to replace them.........and there is no plan for either the 72s or the 92s to be going anywhere soon, indeed they are being refurb'd for at least another 10 years operation! Only the Picc is getting new stock but even then there will be no re-signalling.....Metal Mickey at Earls Court will have to soldier on with it's 1970s tech for another 10 years plus.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Damn
1:12 What did that guard say to you?
Also pretty risky keeping the door open that close to the tunnel, I imagine there were incidents of decapitation when guards operated, right?
I don't think he was talking to me but the staff on the platform behind me. And no, guards didn't decapitate them selves on the tunnel headwall!. I was a tube guard and the rule was see the train out of the platform two thirds of the way along the platform, a lot of guards didn't managed this far, a lot got their heads in as soon as the train moved off!.....
It’s sounds like “no cameras allowed” as well as the disapproving finger waggle. But that could be me just imagining it.
@@tickertape1 that’s exactly what he was saying...
@@tickertape1 probably... back then, many staff were quite hostile towards photography or filming.
@@tickertape1 I heard him say "don't stand over there"
Train sim world 2 !!
Good old kenington loop .
I have rode round it with a friend years back. I believe three trains could stand in it at any onetime.
Another fantastic footage fest. Do you happen to have any footage of either the Met Line on the watford branch past (and including) north Harrow, or the 1983 stock at the stations between Swiss Cottage and Charing Cross?
Yes and yes! Although not Nth Harrow. I will get it up at some point.
It’s funny seeing unpainted tube trains now ,even if the graffiti problem never happened the unpainted finish never looked really clean unlike the stainless steak finish of New York ,when LU decided to paint the trains things started to look tidier on the tube unpainted aluminium over the years unless it’s really well polished didn’t wear well shame as it could look great
The trouble with the aluminium is that it gets pitted over time and the dirt gets ground right in. In New York they used stainless steel which has a nice, smooth finish which is easy to clean....
I'll have a stainless steak with crispy fries. Bloody, please.
The 72 stock never had peach coloured seats, they had red and blue
That was the MkI's, the MkII's had 1970s bus style blue seats, same as the SMS & DMS buses.
Soi Buakhao the peach coloured seats were nice, i dont know why they got rid of them, the black blue seats are trash
@Joe Schmo I think you'll find that is the other way around re 72s! The MkI's were the same as the Vic, the Picc 73s were blue DMS+SMS bus style as were the 72 MkII's, i seem to recall the blue seats when i worked the MkII's on the Jubilee & Bakerloo in the 1980s.....
@Joe Schmo No worries, i worked on the 72s & 59s for 5 years and even i can't be 100% sure! My brian is too full of nonsense.....some of leaks out.....lol
@Joe Schmo All i remember of both the R & CO/CP stock interiors is a green colour. I never saw a red R stock, they were all white or unpainted by 1970s when i grew up. I too have the A5 size R Stock Story as well as the campanion CO/CP one...good books!
Could the 59 not be upgraded the the other stock seems a shame
A60 s were easily uplgraded as they were bigger trains being surface stock, plenty of room for the extra equipment. The 59 & 62 stocks were tube trains and so much smaller where the equipment they already had was more compact. LT decided that the cost of OPO fitment for perhaps a 10 year life wasn't worth the cost and that new trains were a better option sadly!
@ 1:13 maybe 2 seconds away from decapitation!?
The gurad was keen to see what i was up to!
It's weird to think that some of these trains nearly ended up on the Waterloo & City Line, it's a slight shame they didn't.
I think the plan was to use 72s and tansfer the line to Bakerloo control and use Elephant crews to work it. As it stands it's under Central Line control and worked by Leytonstone crews who travel further to get there!
Yes, I believe so, then again it might not have been worth it, as it would cost lots to convert the MK1s to OPO, and they would need an extensive overhaul, and the condition they were in after ploughing along the Northern Line meant it just wasn't worth it, plus the W&C 1992TS would need all the modifications fitted to the Central Line units. Sure, the Central Line would benefit as there would be more trains, so faulty units could be deputised for, but in all honesty, it was probably not worth it.
There was a vague plan to put OPO converted MkI's on the W&C and have Elephant crews run the line while the 92s would be transfered to the Central. But i think there was some sort of major difference to the BR built ones against the LT built ones and the plan went no further. So today Central Line Leytonstone crews work the W&C rather than two stops away Elephant crews!
It does seem rather pointless, as it must be rather inconvenient for the staff at Leytonstone, then again, it would've been a real pain to refurbish the Mk1s, as unit number 5 (which I believe was numbered 3212) was severely vandalised after a very short time at Acton inside and out, whereas the other 4 at Hainault seemed to be in reasonable nick. Still just wasn't worth it, as I recall the structural condition of the Northern Line trains was looking rather bleak, right?
Too much cost to fix up the mk1 1972 to driver only operation and then heavy refurbish. Thats wht TfL only did about 3 or 4 mk1 ex Northern line units and they are on the Bakerloo Line today with the mk2.
经典车型，可惜已经退役
You have some great videos @Soi
Thank you.....