The ps3 and 360 were a weird hybrid between the system on a chip, like the ps2, and a pc. Now, we're fully in the game console is just a slightly specialized pc. Should make generation changes much smoother and much more akin to just upgrading a pc.
Damn being able to compare the exact same save through both platforms not only makes the comparison super clean but also makes your guys jobs 100x easier! Great feature
It's impressive that the old consoles still keep up that good (despite loading times) by utilizing clever rendering tricks. We will see what the new generation can manage in the future with such tricks or even better ones ...
Welp, the PS4 pro has a rather powerful GPU, and half the RAM of the PS5, though the CPU was bad for it's time even. Compare that with the jump from PS3 to 4: immeasurably better GPU, 16x the RAM, a usable harddrive(PS3 was bottlenecked by a really slow interface).
@@paulclinton6414 new consoles are never huge leaps at the start of their life span. PS4 games from its first 2 years weren't that much better than PS3 games, but PS4 games in its last 2 years after massive step ups from PS3 games. The PS5 is gonna be the same, you just gotta give the devs some time to get used to and understand the capabilities of the new console.
The loading of PS5 is just insane. We are looking at 40 to 50 times the difference in loading speed when directly compared. Not even 1 second compared to 40 plus seconds on the HDD consoles!
I got so used to waiting for the loading times to finish so I go in my phone for a while but this time the PS5 won't let me didnt even have to touch my phone what a beast of a console!
This was the BEST comparison. Switching between the to clips is waaaaay better and easier to tell the difference than she by side. I wish you could do this on other comparison videos.
As a fellow car guy, I can appreciate that John has been using some really cool retro cars for his GT7 thumbnails like the F40 and now the FD rx-7. I share your love for the classics too, john!
I agree, but there are a few things that are blurring the picture this generation. The 1.5 : pro / Series X console updates and cross-generation games. It's always going to hold back the new systems.
Have to say, this was the most understandable of all the DF videos I've seen down the years - swapping between the same footage from different consoles really massively helped show the differences, which I often struggle to see/notice. Good work, lads!
I was surprised by alix defending the defending the PS5 dips vs the PS4 versions in the rainy areas. He says that they're really low res effects on PS4 and that keeps the fps up over PS5 basically. That's kind of a poor excuse because PS5 is significantly more powerful than those PS4 systems, so really it should be able to handle it, and if it isn't maybe they're pushing it too far.
Your forgetting the ps4 and 4 pro are running at lower res then the 5 is, significantly more powerful yes, but the rendering is also significantly more demanding. If the 4's were to try and render the same native 4k as the 5 they would shit the bed completely.
@@crisnmaryfam7344 not forgetting any of that, PS5 should be more than capable of all that. If they make another gt game on PS5 it will look significantly better than this, because this game was designed around PS4 and they just added more for ps5 which is very inneficiant.
It's not really as sognificant as you think, the SSD, CPU and RAM are doing the work. The PS4 pro is equivalent to maybe a rx 580/1060 vs the ps5 which is 2070 super quality. A decent jump by all means but it's not insane like it was from ps2-ps3 or ps3-ps4.
I'm surprised how close the PS4 Pro version got to the PS5. I didn't even know this was coming to the PS4. Essentially the PS4 Pro version is GT7 at medium settings compared to High/Ultra on PS5. Lastly based on this video it appears there were cutdowns compared to what Sony showed off a year ago.
Nothing surprising really. It looks close to PS5 because they had to make it work on PS4, meaning PS5 couldn't have been pushed over the limit as it would break PS4. They could have squeezed a lot more from PS5 if they only built this for PS5, like dynamic culling, VRS, higher LOD, textures, etc...
I play it on PS4 Pro and the game looks amazing! The car models and lighting even on PS4 Pro make the cars from FH5 on my Series X look like plastic toys. Before launch I played a lot of GT Sport as well and GT7 is still a sweet nice upgrade. Not only in the visual and audio department but the entire game as well. GT7 basically made the entirety of GT Sport completely obsolete.
They did a great job making sure each console was optimized and pushed as far as it could, even the PS4. I don't think anyone that doesn't have a PS5 will be disappointed with the version they're playing on
I was honestly looking for a ps5 digital. just to play gt7 since I assumed it was only on ps5 I can deal with playing it on the ps4 if I can get my hands on one. I miss the progression of gt compared to Forza.
They reduced graphics quality flatting down to the PS4 capabilities. Same model and number of polygons on PS4 and PS5. In such way PS5 is pretty useless, money waster. They actually developed this game for PS4 and put some additional trees and texture in PS5, pretty ridiculous.
@@TheRathead80 Go through Sony Direct. That's where I got my Ps5 digital. It took me around 1 month of trying everyday but everywhere else would sell out instantly even if I hit refresh the second the drop went live. (There are places to get inside information) The servers get overwhelmed meaning your debit card is useless unless you use paypal. & bots are way too fast. But sony direct puts everyone in a waiting room on another server so if you get lucky & get a good place in line you can just buy it with a debit card with no issues at all. If you use an incognito tab & normal tab you actually get 2 places in line, doubling your chances. My wait time was around 15 mins & the disc version sold out right when I tried adding to cart but I don't regret the digital version at all. I download most of my games when they're on psn sales anyways. Good luck
The biggest difference, though, is the LOAD TIMES!!! I was playing GT7 on PS5 for the first time last night, and it's amazing how quickly you can move around the game, especially compared to GT Sport. That really does make the experience 10x better.
Another thing everyone is forgetting about with the load times of the actual real world time wasted What i mean is this if you play 100 hours of gt7 on a ps4 you probably have an Additional hour of two of gameplay that’s does absolutely nothing aka wasted time
When talking about technology, there's a concept called "the killer app". Basically, it's that piece of software that makes buying hardware worthwhile. Even 2 years after its release, the PS5 still doesn't have that killer app. It has games and it has exclusives, but they are still being developed for the PS4. The PS5 has such a small install base, developers aren't making games that utilize the PS5's hardware. Instead, they are developing for the PS4 and porting to the PS5.
Man, the PS4 version being a great experience is what makes this such a great game. Personally PS4 is what I have and knowing it's good time with great graphics and performance is such a nice peace of mind, at least compared to many other cross gen titles I've been seeing recently.
I wonder if the PS4 will end up being Sony's new PS2, it's amazing how long the PS2 lasted and even when a good part of the world had already jumped to the new generation it still received games like Sonic Unleashed, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Need for Speed Undercover and Tomb Raider Underworld because it was still a cheaper option for those who wanted a console but couldn't buy a new generation console, especially here in Brazil where many still had the PS2 as their main console until 2014. It's really cool to see when a console crosses all the barriers and ends up lasting that long. (and it's great for people like me who can't afford a new console yet but want to enjoy the new games)
@@PauloR2T Obviously, just remember, the PS4 has a higher number of installed machines than the PS5 so it makes more sense to focus on the PS4 first and then port it to PS5 because its like i said, more people out there own a PS4 than a PS5.
I doubt the PS4 will go on for 2 console generations like the PS2 but I could see it receiving games up until 2024. PS3 actually also lasted a long time due to the Japanese market having a very slow transition to the PS4. Now it’s even worse for the PS5 in japan where even fewer people are purchasing a PS5 due to Sony and japan’s preference for portable gaming
@@DieHardjagged the same was true in first 2 years of PS4 life in comparison to PS3. I get it the reason why less titles were cross-gen back then is connected to different architecture and most probably a significantly higher cost of developing for both. I believe we will a few more titles for PS4.
I believe it will due to how covid has screwed up their plans in fact i also feel PS5 will have the shortest in terms of time between generation to generation while ps4 holds up well in the meantime
Great video guys. The flicking back and forth between systems was awesome. I'm enjoying it on PS5. The motion blurs sick and load times make it a breeze to play. But glad to know the guys on PS4 are still getting a good deal. Good job Sony.
I remember when going from 1 generation to the other was a pretty significant jump but from PS4 to PS5 if these guys don't point out the differences I wouldn't even notice it.
Its still early in the life cycle, cant compare much when it was basically made for PS4 just had minor upgrades to PS5. Either way PS5 is a significant jump over PS4, especially in performance. TH-cam doesn't justify the FULL experience
Holy shit, I wish EVERY game would have ability to play replays across multiple consoles for digital Foundry to compare, it made it sooooo easy to see in real time the generation console changes!
- never forget the dedicated hardware and API for decompression/caching. That's what makes the SSD in Series and PS5 shine. It's not just the physical SSD unit -- it's the next-gen storage IO paired with it. You could use a blistering fast SSD on last-gen and it's still missing that crucial hardware-accelerated IO component.
@@griffgames9538 , Hardware acceleration on last-gen is NOT the only thing missing. What's missing is that none of the games are written to take advantage of the SSD. The data gets moved from the SSD/HDD into the shared memory (or system + VRAM on PC).... because OTHER tasks that involve the CPU/GPU are also going on during initial game setup the speed of the SSD doesn't matter much... you could put in a normal 550MBps sequential and get very similar load times to a drive that's HALF the speed. The entire game ENGINE needs to be written to request assets ON-THE-FLY before drive speed matters much. Or the console's OS moving lumps of pre-prepared data (like game state saves). Or whatever... but speeding up the I/O on last-gen does very little if the game can't utlize it... same as on PC when a 3.5GBps SSD barely loads a game faster than a 0.5GBps SSD. So to be CLEAR: You need BOTH the hardware I/O to be present AND the game to be able to utilize it.
@@meowmeow2759 I think it could be possible at 1440p if you look at what Insomniac did with Ratchet & Clank and Miles Morales. If they lower the RT reflection resolution to also help.
@@TristanTheVRGamecat I don’t think it’s oversight. Yamauchi has always been a stickler for the best possible quality out of the game engine on any given system. He’d much rather have the highest resolution, highest frame rate, highest highest quality raytracing possible. He may consider a lower resolution raytracing on the cars ruins the beauty of said vehicles, reason why it wasn’t a goal to implement it.
Sooo polished! I'm actually very impressed at the level of polish I find myself in awe when a moment comes where the environment lighting hits the screen I have to pause it and just stare!
This. People criticize the graphics, but here's the catch: games like Forza Horizon 5 must sacrifice draw distance to achieve great looks, which leads to pop ins and visible LOD transitions. GT7 has very few, if any pop ins, and the lighting is the best ever seen in a racing game.
My Nissan Z '23 and my golf gti and v8 vantage keep slipping when shifting gears at low gears. Can you guys help figure out what's going on and what I need to change on the cars?
@@nightdriver7216 people also seem to forget that GT7 pushes these visuals while at constant native 4k at 60fps. Forza (Horizon) and GT are wildly different games and graphics engines - forza is open-world for a start. F Horizon manages 60fps at a lower resolution and 4k at 30fps. Both are beautiful and great games. People need to chill!😅 Happy racing, fam :)
This game is really making me consider pausing my Horizon Forbidden West campaign Edit - decided to buy it, too much ubisoft type collectable crap in Horizon Forbidden West. The first game was much better, sometimes keeping things simple is better than making things complicated.
GT7 is a ps4 game that's ported to the ps5 So the last gen consoles doing "impressive" really isn't considering Polyphony prioritized the last gen consoles
I know the all the rage is in Elden Ring right now, as well as Horizon Forbidden West, but I’m glad GT7 came out so there’s a little something for everyone and truly enjoying my first GT since GT6 on PS3.
I absolutely love the work you guys do but as someone who has not gone too far out of the way to find a PS5, I look at this video and say to myself that the only thing that makes the PS5 better in terms of experience would be the greatly reduced load times. Hats off to PD for not short changing us folks who don't have time to fight ordering bots or pay an king's ransom to gougers.
I fought for 4 months until i finally got one. It was stressful and frustrating. You're right though, for now the loading times are the only real benefit. Framerate is nice, but not needed. Man I'm loving elden ring
Another *huge* benefit is the noise. My PS4 Pro sounded like it was about to explode sometimes. It was very annoying. And about getting a PS5, can't you order it online and then have it sent when it's available? That's how I got mine at retail price nine months after launch (I placed the order just after.)
Ι think the next gen differences in graphics will be seen more in the future updates where completely new tracks will be added. The new tracks in gt7 (trial mountain and deepforest) look absolutely stunning. All the other tracks are just gt sport tracks but a bit enchanced
Very impressed with the analysis of GT7 . I found this channel a few months ago and now they are my go to for all my video game tech info ! Excellent work gentlemen !
I love your work guys! In all honesty, I am shocked how minor the improvements are between a generation - perhaps taking into account my expectations of a generation jump. Sad to find out the ray-tracing is replays only, it hardly seems worth mentioning to me!
@@metadata4255 Dude how do you think video uploads work? The replay actually has better spatial Audio and and the global illumination in RT mode Is phenomenal. I always save a replay of Great Races and honestly It can be better watching it then driving considering the action shots it produces.
@@tankiller9638 its a great technical achievement given the quality of the visuals. 60fps is something I never take for granted especially when so many titles nowadays show poor performance.
They could have pushed more detail on PS4 with a 30 FPS lock. I would also say it's not so hard to achieve high frame rate on these type of games, the world is mostly empty with the only entities being the cars.
Honestly, not a big difference imo. Like Alex said it's basically the difference between PC low-medium and ultra settings which oftentimes don't impress me anyways. Little bit more detail here, better reflections there and higher res and sure, ray-tracing in some cases. Considering the major difference in hardware power, you would expect a little more, but for cross-gen games I guess that's to be expected.
Polyphony Digital has always been really good at squeezing out graphical fidelity while keeping performance high, and I'm definitely more than happy with how things turned out on base PS4 vs. PS5. Can't wait when a PS5 actually becomes attainable so i can get those faster load times
I remember the time we compare mega drive and snes, sega saturn to playstation, dreamcast to playstation 2 to xbox. we can see distinctive graphic difference. Nowadays, a cross gen comparison, I have to put my glasses on and lean very close to the monitor, still can't see much of difference. well, I think the fun of graphics comparison is pretty much over.
I was so hyped when it got announced and i am not disappointed even though my expectations were high. It's rare not to be disappointed when a hyped videogame finally releases.
I’ve got it on ps5. When I booted it up. I thought for sure I’m going with the ray tracing mode. I know it’s not in gameplay, but in everything else. Photo mode, replays, menus etc. but… when in the garage viewing my cars in scapes etc, then flipping over to performance mode. Performance is so much better. Can barely notice the ray tracing in all honesty. In fact, I didn’t really notice it at all. Only if you look for it. In performance mode, everything else is so smooth. It actually looks next gen. Performance mode easily.
I've seen some comparisons and feel the same way. Looks like the ray tracing is not that extensive, and they've had to cut resolution/aliasing to compensate. In some scenes, the non-raytraced lighting also just looks overall better. I've kept it on performance mode from the beginning and replays/scapes are a sight to behold.
The gameplay always stays in performance mode. So it’s better to just keep it in RT mode. You get RT in menus, scapes and replays and gameplay in performance. Best of both worlds.
@@maxminy5634 I know. But the ray tracing makes the performance look awful. I know it’s 30. But 60 is so much more appealing to the eyes. And plus I can’t even tell. For me, it’s not worth the trade off.
@@richwatson1985 the gameplay doesn’t go to 30. The only thing in 30 and RT is the replays. You’re playing the same way regardless of performance or RT mode
@@maxminy5634 yes I know 😂 I know gameplay is 60. Gameplay is 60 regardless of what mode you choose. And the rest is 30 in ray tracing. I’m saying the way the 30fps is done, I don’t think it’s that great. I think overall it looks better in performance mode for the menus, photo mode, replays etc
So PS5 being 100% experience, with PS4 pro you're playing at 90% most of the differences are small details and for a racing game you won't even notice them lol great job the PS4 still holds up!
I really hope Sony makes a true next-gen Gran Turismo. I'm a bit disappointed that this game is cross-gen, which is understandable due to the install base of ps4. I was just hoping we could see the true power of ps5 with Gran Turismo. Hopefully within this generation we will get one. I still bought GT7 launch edition for ps5, but I hope they make a true next gen one in a couple of years.
What defines next gen though? On pc next gen is most often a difference in settings, not limited or defined by game content. Current gen consoles are mostly "next gen" because of their abilitiy to render graphics at higher res along with more/higher graphics settings and features. On my pc, I can play forza horizon 5 @720p low settings and there we go, I'm 2 console generations back. Still the 'same' game, by design. I can also change a few settings and make the game equal or beyond current gen console capabilities(limited by my specific hardware obviously.) My point being, what defines "next gen" is no longer defined by game design or content.
@@jmac79ers next gen is defined by the usage of brand new techniques that can't be done on lasts gen, Ratchet & Clank is a good example, Matrix Demo's is also another good example, no matter how much you try to downgrade both games, they could never work on last gen machines.
Unfortunately ps4 and future pc version(they have to run it for most rigs in two years) hold games back. If it was ps5 only lit would look unbelievable.
@@jmac79ers Pretty graphics isn't what makes something "Next Gen". You can turn GTAV on PC to max settings and it still feels like a PS3 game. Next Gen also has to do with the games mechanics. The Matrix Awakens on the PS5 is the best example of new mechanics. The vehicle damage, the way the vehicles deform and rolls while you're shooting out the back window looks like a movie but it's all random and natural, happening in real time. Even the glass pieces that slide and round and bounce randomly as the car is swirving. These are things you can't just go into the settings and turn on. It has to be built into the games engine. That's what makes something Next Gen. A RTX 3090 isn't going to make Fallout 76 feel Next Gen, idc how many mods you throw at it. But it might look a little nicer.
Great work on the comparision. I think PS4 Pro is holding up quite well. The difference is very big between the versions and there are some fps drops but I think on it's own it looks pretty decent. I'm on Xbox but props to Polyphony for giving last gen PlayStation good experience in GT7. Also, it was good to hear Nurburgring Suite from Enthusia in the background!
@@TelscombeTerror My knowledge is rather limited as I didn't play GT7 but it definitely has better car models and lighting than FM7. FM7 has tons of cars but they are less accurate than GT - some car models are quite old and car sounds are worse. FM7 on the other hand should have more stable framerate and it runs in native 4K.
@@TelscombeTerror You can argue it comes down to taste. I think GT7 looks like a Micheal Bay movie, so forza looks more like real life, despite not having as much detail, being 5 years old. Forza maybe looks a bit washed out in comparison but I prefer that. Both games are probably worth a play. You'll have to track down Forza 2nd hand because MS don't sell it anymore.
Ngl, I wished GT7 was current-gen only. Whilst GT7 looks great on PS5 it is clearly built on GT sport (which is last-gen). So at the end of the day GT7 is just a nicer looking GT sport. I just feel last-gen is holding back (graphically) current-gen games.
@@johnbishop2536 True. I almost forgot how GT5 had premium and PS2 era car models. But the decision to go cross-gen is understandable seeing that we’re in 2022 and still hard to find PS5.
I don't think Polyphony could pump out a proper next-gen GT7 that quickly. GT7 was always going to be a nicer looking GT Sport unless they delayed it to 2025-2026.
I don't know why Alex just laught at older console's graphics (like at 3:50). Other than that the video is a great comparison. Also, he is the only person I know that doen't consider PS4 a valid option to play the game
On PS5, what tripped me out was when buying a car, you can set it to dynamic scenery to show the car in motion in different areas, but you can also change the color instantly while it's doing that. Idk but little things like that is crazy to me lol
@@Mike-wc3jo oh you measn half ass games like the 92 meta Forza Horizon 5.. 😂 huge open world wicht look and plays miles better then this ps3 looking game at $70.. stay on point kid. Halo is a first person shooter not the same comparison 🤣 but at least you tried
loving gt7, just unlocked nurburgring and exploring the online trial run / social options so far, really cool, you can really tell this is a ps4/pro game that is extremely suped up for the ps5 with addition of 4k60 and RT for replays and photos, and it's early in the gen so the release makes sense, but this just makes me further more excited about the future of GT as well, the data loading in and out via SSD and compression tech of the ps5 is perfect for a track racing game where you can only see a small segment of the full track at the same time - reminds me of DF videos on crash bandicoot retro talking about the streaming technology to get the highest resolution assets - this really is just a taste of what GT can be on the ps5 and dare i say the ps5 pro...... if it will have a dedicated gpu unit for RT 4k60 with RT should be easy, with a lot more complexity in background and environment details as a ps5 only game
Yeah, I would have liked to have known this as well. They almost completely glossed over the PS4 Pro in 1080p ... they only mentioned it because of motion blur being available on PS4 Pro in that particular mode. It would have been interesting to see if the PS4 Pro could maintain a flat 60FPS on the rainy track with all the cars ahead of you in 1080p, etc.
Shoutout to the editor (or whoever) decided to switch back and forth between the two versions! That's exactly what I like to see when comparing - makes it so much easier - appreciate the time and effort y'all keep putting into these videos! Much love! Edit: Just got to the 7:00 mark where y'all explain how this was possible lol. Man, if only every game allowed this feature! Comparison videos would be L I T.
Usually never comment on your videos, but, I really appreciate the flashing back and forth between the different versions in real time like that! I hate having to look at different parts of my screen to see the difference between games.
I wonder if an aggressive DRS solution would be enough to implement RT reflections during gameplay while retaining the same or similar level of performance. Either way, it seems odd to not include DRS even for a game that's *mostly* locked to it's target framerate. Given how minor the frame drops are, DRS could probably eliminate those entirely while only having to make very minor adjustments to resolution
@@crazykenbei no it wouldn't, if they're dropping less than 10 frames during performance bottlenecks and the frame drops don't happen that often, that means the hit to performance is minimal at best. Which means the resolution wouldn't have to drop very much at all, and even when it does dip it wouldn't last for very long. I'm talking specifically about the PS5 version though. Also whether the resolution dip is too costly varies from person to person, I'd be fine with anything from 1400p-2160p personally
@@apictureoffunction probably but Gran Turismo is a series that isn't about compromising and cutting corners. It's supposed to be a tour de force in the car visuals. I think they would rather just wait when the console tech is powerful enough or when they don't have to deal with the cross gen stuff.
maybe it's just me, but when playing on PS5 the graphics look good but not crazy realistic during the races themselves, but during the replay it looks like I'm watching real footage of a race. It's crazy
I was finally able to get ps5 at GameStop this morning and the loading times alone is worth it. Now I feel more inclined to tune my cars due to loading times
@@007Dcastillo 1080p does not look better than 4k lmao. And GT sport even looks better than forza 7. But yeah the rain effects are the only thing that doesn’t look amazing. Driveclub rain effects even look better
It is exceedingly disappointing that very little BC Compression is used for PS5 at all, we still have a huge 100+GB install that is just completely unnecessary. While the developers constantly say GT7 on PS5 is not compromised, and it is more than a regular cross-gen game.
Other than the loading times, this video convinced me I don’t need to spend $400+ on a unicorn to enjoy GT7 as it looks great on the PS4 Pro (which I already own for years). The graphical differences are actually very minor and you’d only notice them with both shown side by side. It’s not a “next gen” leap. It’s more of a slight polishing. More like PS4 Pro+. Which is in general what I’ve noticed with the new consoles. When it comes to improving graphics, it’s been a flattening curve. In other words, the improvements from PS1 to PS2 where much greater than 2 to 3, which were greater than 3 to 4, etc. Same goes for Xbox. Generational improvements are getting smaller each generation as we approach photorealism, which constantly seems on the horizon and unreachable.
That's definitely the most impressive comparison yet, being able to run the same in-game replay footage between all three consoles sure worked wonders!😁👍👏
There isn't any because the PlayStation doesn't really improve graphics in older games unless you pay extra for the upgrade you might get better frames
I love how you guys keep in parts where the crew stumbles over a word or two like with Alex suddenly becoming inebriated while saying "Playstation 5" at 13:17. Made me laugh. Happens to me all too often.
As a person with a 2tb Samsung QVO in my PS4 Pro. Load times don’t matter as much once you drop an ssd in. Especially one that has its on ram. Also, texture load in isn’t nearly as bad.
A massive success for all platforms really. If you're stuck on a base/PS4 Pro like me it's nice to know that aside from the load times, you're still getting the full GT7 experience. This is not a situation like the PS3 days where they pushed too hard and the games ran poorly as a result. That said, I feel a big part of what makes this game hold up regardless of console is PD's lighting technology. They nailed that as early as GT5, and IMO they've been leading that category ever since.
The difference between PS5 and PS4 Pro aren't what i expect from a new generation. PS4 Pro looks and runs pretty well. I guess GT7 would look much better If Polyphony released it for PS5 only.
Looking at what was achieved with Drive Club I think its more about design choice with PD than hardware limitations. The material finish in GT Sport is absurdly detailed and still ahead of anyone else. They really started focusing on car detail with GT6 and Sport seems to be the continuation of that.
Watching this video at 1080p on my phone, it's pretty difficult to see the differences, but they are definitely there. To me, the biggest advantage of Playstation 5 is those incredibly fast load times. These videos make me want to purchase this game so bad, but I just can't bring myself to pay $70 for an online only single player game.
Ya most games are not worth that $10 price hike specially since most games have microtransactions and the devs make millions of of them so the excuse they used saying they need games to be $70 to be able to make games how they want is bs
Interesting comparisons, but I noticed you had motion blur on PS5 (unless that's a default setting) which made the still shots look blurry in comparison to the PS4 Pro version.
I know a lot of people here are hoping for Polyphony to patch in different graphics modes and such, but I personally want to see them patch in *offline saving* support for the single-player modes before anything else... I can't in good conscience pay full price for a game that forces online for its single-player modes. Especially when it's being published by a company that used the *lack* of BS always online restrictions as a *selling point* for their console back in 2013...
I'm getting sick and tired of John Linneman grinding his axe to play down the PS4 Pro in order to justify PS5 exclusivity to "make full use of the PS5." Stop saying the game looks "quite good" on both systems. It's a loaded statement and we are onto you. The game looks very impressive on both systems with the PS5 benefitting from the extra grunt. If you think GT Sport was developed with a short sighted PS4 in mind, you are extremely naive. PS5 was in the picture as a port of the tech was crafted for PS4. Prototypes were in 8K. Yes further developments on the PS5 side have taken place since, what did you expect. You don't need native PS5 exclusivity to take full advantage of the PS5. Yes you can make games that utilise exclusive features, but not all games need that. PC has been grinding brute force for years without any focussed optimisations on efficiency. Most Playstation gamers are stuck on PS4 or PS4 Pro. Only 10% are on PS5. John Linneman wants to deny all those players from playing the game so he can enjoy some 'maybe' special feature the PS5 might use. He did the same trick with the Horizon Forbidden West comparison which sold far more copies to PS4/PS4 Pro gamers than PS5 gamers. Sony needed those sales to pay for the development of the game. There are not enough PS5 gamers out there to fund it. The plan was to have a bigger PS5 usebase by now, but Covid trashed that plan. John is fighting a loosing battle. He's deluded and acting selfishly. Think about the gamers who use the hardware you're comparing. I use to respect John until he stabbed me in the back.
I'm sorry but i think that polyphony Digital Is lazy. You Just can't make a track that Is state of the art and recycle the others from gt sport. I still Remember when they added gt4 cars in gt5 (or GT6?) PS3. The PS2 models were awful. Same things here.
t 1st, youc an easy be mistaken, very similar, but those clips where you switch between to see the difference in the environments, really shows how much of a difference you get, the extra shadows, trees, better textures etc, just makes it look so more 'realistic' to life, rather than a 'realistic looking game'. Those sections with no trees and bare cliff sides on Ps4 make it look rouch, they spoil the rest of the environmental details.
@@artmars5799 why not racing games are best played in vr you can turn ya head use your mirrors actually effectively and with a good wheel with some decent feedback can be super immersive
Polyphony probably already have the PSVR2 Dev kit... GT is a triple A title for Sony ..makes huge sence to implement it to shift head sets when they are eventually available.
@@artmars5799 You’d be surprised at how many sim racing games support VR & how much demand there is for the ones that don’t to do so. Having tried GT Sport on the original PSVR & Project CARS on my Rift S, there definitely is a benefit (driving does feel more natural in VR as you can utilize techniques you would in real life, such as looking where you want to go).
A little bit disapointet that there was no direct comparison with GT Sport, since it was mentioned so oftne in this video. Also i would have liked more Ps4 footage, since this is the most played on console. Also i am missing the respect towards PD for bringing such a superb version to a console thats almost 9 years old.
I'm disappointed that most of the comparisons are between the 5 and the 4pro , most PS4 users have the ordinary 4 and not the pro version so this comparison is a little too niche .
Yeah, the Foundry folks spend a ton of time on the Pro and One X, and I don't know anybody who owns them, but you better believe I know a trillion people who own base PS4s and and base Xbox Ones. I hope Sony and Microsoft never put out a pro console ever again just for it degrading DF content
i mean they mentioned in the video that the main difference between the 4 and 4 pro is resolution and that the rest is basically the same apart from like tyre skid marks being blurry 8:29
PS4 PRO version is the same as the base one except for resolution. So what you’re seeing here in the pro version is the same thing you’re getting in the base model.
something about the field of view in third person does a really good job at making you feel like you are driving fast even when your not driving at 100mph, cant explain it hope others noticed his too
To be fair graphically I’m more impressed with how well PS4/Pro hold up against the latest gen, the biggest difference for me in that load time which is around x40 faster which is nuts however I wonder how much smaller that difference is when the PS4/Pro are equipped with an SSD
I put an SSD in my PS4 Pro, and it definitely helped. Nowhere near as instant as PS5 but if I had to guess I’d say loading is maybe 20-25 seconds instead of 40.
@@isaacmcaninch8530 previous DF tests using SSDs on PS4 and Pro have shown that the average reduction is around half time for loading compared to HDDs.
Base PS4 is holding up alot better towards the end of it's life than the PS3 did.
The devs stopped trying. It was hard.
Ps4 is a breeze by now, owing to its more pc centric SDK
Due to PS5 shortages, not “good will” from devs.. it is all about money
@@6reen6uy Yeah, the Cell architecture is an absolute nightmare to work on. No wonder GT5 took 5 years to be released.
The ps3 and 360 were a weird hybrid between the system on a chip, like the ps2, and a pc. Now, we're fully in the game console is just a slightly specialized pc. Should make generation changes much smoother and much more akin to just upgrading a pc.
@@Zdman2001 You don't seem to know what a PC is.
Damn being able to compare the exact same save through both platforms not only makes the comparison super clean but also makes your guys jobs 100x easier! Great feature
The PS4 GT7 is a little better than PS5.
@@purwantiallan5089 god no lol
The back and forth gameplay between PS5 and PS4 Pro was so satisfying to watch. This video is awesome, thanks for your work!
I agree 👍🏼
It's impressive that the old consoles still keep up that good (despite loading times) by utilizing clever rendering tricks. We will see what the new generation can manage in the future with such tricks or even better ones ...
I remember when new consoles meant big leaps. Now it is a small step.
Welp, the PS4 pro has a rather powerful GPU, and half the RAM of the PS5, though the CPU was bad for it's time even.
Compare that with the jump from PS3 to 4: immeasurably better GPU, 16x the RAM, a usable harddrive(PS3 was bottlenecked by a really slow interface).
@@ThePsychoticWombat ps4 profs ram is slower then ps5's though. It is not the same ram
@@solid_justice5855 hence the resolution drop and reconstruction
@@paulclinton6414 new consoles are never huge leaps at the start of their life span. PS4 games from its first 2 years weren't that much better than PS3 games, but PS4 games in its last 2 years after massive step ups from PS3 games. The PS5 is gonna be the same, you just gotta give the devs some time to get used to and understand the capabilities of the new console.
The loading of PS5 is just insane. We are looking at 40 to 50 times the difference in loading speed when directly compared. Not even 1 second compared to 40 plus seconds on the HDD consoles!
Fast SSD is what I love about this gen.
I got so used to waiting for the loading times to finish so I go in my phone for a while but this time the PS5 won't let me didnt even have to touch my phone what a beast of a console!
@@itsGcEdit How much GT7 ps4 loading times improve with a SSD?
Some developers think that PS5 loading times are too fast and now they cannot show a loading screen with tips
@@santiagomoralesgarcia1802 not that much. Something like only a 50% improvement. So basically in gt7 at most 20 seconds faster.
This was the BEST comparison. Switching between the to clips is waaaaay better and easier to tell the difference than she by side. I wish you could do this on other comparison videos.
As a fellow car guy, I can appreciate that John has been using some really cool retro cars for his GT7 thumbnails like the F40 and now the FD rx-7. I share your love for the classics too, john!
Man I remember going from the N64 to the ps2 to the 360 now that was a huge generational leap in technology I'll never forget.
Law of diminishing returns :)
I agree, but there are a few things that are blurring the picture this generation. The 1.5 : pro / Series X console updates and cross-generation games. It's always going to hold back the new systems.
I followed the exact same path of consoles growing up. And very much agree.
@@anis6800 yep. Beat me to it.
Best times to be a gamer. Devs had so many creative ideas
Have to say, this was the most understandable of all the DF videos I've seen down the years - swapping between the same footage from different consoles really massively helped show the differences, which I often struggle to see/notice. Good work, lads!
Polyphony has made the right calls for every version and all look awesome to me!
I was surprised by alix defending the defending the PS5 dips vs the PS4 versions in the rainy areas. He says that they're really low res effects on PS4 and that keeps the fps up over PS5 basically. That's kind of a poor excuse because PS5 is significantly more powerful than those PS4 systems, so really it should be able to handle it, and if it isn't maybe they're pushing it too far.
Yeah it was very obvious that he was trying to defend the ps5 from its shame ahha long live the ps4 pro (with SSD)
Your forgetting the ps4 and 4 pro are running at lower res then the 5 is, significantly more powerful yes, but the rendering is also significantly more demanding. If the 4's were to try and render the same native 4k as the 5 they would shit the bed completely.
@@crisnmaryfam7344 not forgetting any of that, PS5 should be more than capable of all that. If they make another gt game on PS5 it will look significantly better than this, because this game was designed around PS4 and they just added more for ps5 which is very inneficiant.
It's not really as sognificant as you think, the SSD, CPU and RAM are doing the work. The PS4 pro is equivalent to maybe a rx 580/1060 vs the ps5 which is 2070 super quality. A decent jump by all means but it's not insane like it was from ps2-ps3 or ps3-ps4.
I'm surprised how close the PS4 Pro version got to the PS5. I didn't even know this was coming to the PS4. Essentially the PS4 Pro version is GT7 at medium settings compared to High/Ultra on PS5. Lastly based on this video it appears there were cutdowns compared to what Sony showed off a year ago.
Nothing surprising really. It looks close to PS5 because they had to make it work on PS4, meaning PS5 couldn't have been pushed over the limit as it would break PS4. They could have squeezed a lot more from PS5 if they only built this for PS5, like dynamic culling, VRS, higher LOD, textures, etc...
It tends to happen as they get down to optimizing the game. Still looks pretty good on both PS4 pro and PS5
I play it on PS4 Pro and the game looks amazing! The car models and lighting even on PS4 Pro make the cars from FH5 on my Series X look like plastic toys. Before launch I played a lot of GT Sport as well and GT7 is still a sweet nice upgrade. Not only in the visual and audio department but the entire game as well. GT7 basically made the entirety of GT Sport completely obsolete.
PS4 pro with an ssd and new thermal paste/pads is amazing
@@sermerlin1 huh?
They did a great job making sure each console was optimized and pushed as far as it could, even the PS4. I don't think anyone that doesn't have a PS5 will be disappointed with the version they're playing on
Sony quality
I was honestly looking for a ps5 digital. just to play gt7 since I assumed it was only on ps5 I can deal with playing it on the ps4 if I can get my hands on one. I miss the progression of gt compared to Forza.
They reduced graphics quality flatting down to the PS4 capabilities. Same model and number of polygons on PS4 and PS5. In such way PS5 is pretty useless, money waster. They actually developed this game for PS4 and put some additional trees and texture in PS5, pretty ridiculous.
Thats bullshit, you dont even have the game
@@TheRathead80 Go through Sony Direct. That's where I got my Ps5 digital. It took me around 1 month of trying everyday but everywhere else would sell out instantly even if I hit refresh the second the drop went live. (There are places to get inside information) The servers get overwhelmed meaning your debit card is useless unless you use paypal. & bots are way too fast.
But sony direct puts everyone in a waiting room on another server so if you get lucky & get a good place in line you can just buy it with a debit card with no issues at all. If you use an incognito tab & normal tab you actually get 2 places in line, doubling your chances. My wait time was around 15 mins & the disc version sold out right when I tried adding to cart but I don't regret the digital version at all. I download most of my games when they're on psn sales anyways. Good luck
The biggest difference, though, is the LOAD TIMES!!! I was playing GT7 on PS5 for the first time last night, and it's amazing how quickly you can move around the game, especially compared to GT Sport. That really does make the experience 10x better.
Makes doing the license tests so much quicker.
It’s almost flawless, isn’t it? Nothing feels like a chore with how fast it all loads. It’s such a great thing.
It really does. Only thing that let's it down is the menu isn't the quickest to navigate.
Another thing everyone is forgetting about with the load times of the actual real world time wasted
What i mean is this if you play 100 hours of gt7 on a ps4 you probably have an Additional hour of two of gameplay that’s does absolutely nothing aka wasted time
@@cookedit yeah I’ve noticed some frame drops
When talking about technology, there's a concept called "the killer app". Basically, it's that piece of software that makes buying hardware worthwhile. Even 2 years after its release, the PS5 still doesn't have that killer app. It has games and it has exclusives, but they are still being developed for the PS4. The PS5 has such a small install base, developers aren't making games that utilize the PS5's hardware. Instead, they are developing for the PS4 and porting to the PS5.
Man, the PS4 version being a great experience is what makes this such a great game.
Personally PS4 is what I have and knowing it's good time with great graphics and performance is such a nice peace of mind, at least compared to many other cross gen titles I've been seeing recently.
The loading times on PS5 are absolutely stunning. Genuinely its like the whole game is always loaded for you. Amazing architecture of the PS5
Why does it mostly seem that cartridge-like load times are the sole highlight of the PS5? So pathetic
@@counterstriker3971 you mad that you're still on ps4
I know its great for replaying a license test for the 80th time to get gold.
@@counterstriker3971 all your comments are just bashing PS5... Get a life
@@Tool0GT92 I feel that... or accidentally exiting a license test that you're not happy with, but it's no big deal because PS5 load times.
I wonder if the PS4 will end up being Sony's new PS2, it's amazing how long the PS2 lasted and even when a good part of the world had already jumped to the new generation it still received games like Sonic Unleashed, Star Wars Force Unleashed, Need for Speed Undercover and Tomb Raider Underworld because it was still a cheaper option for those who wanted a console but couldn't buy a new generation console, especially here in Brazil where many still had the PS2 as their main console until 2014.
It's really cool to see when a console crosses all the barriers and ends up lasting that long. (and it's great for people like me who can't afford a new console yet but want to enjoy the new games)
Yep, PS4 is the new PS2
@@PauloR2T Obviously, just remember, the PS4 has a higher number of installed machines than the PS5 so it makes more sense to focus on the PS4 first and then port it to PS5 because its like i said, more people out there own a PS4 than a PS5.
I doubt the PS4 will go on for 2 console generations like the PS2 but I could see it receiving games up until 2024. PS3 actually also lasted a long time due to the Japanese market having a very slow transition to the PS4. Now it’s even worse for the PS5 in japan where even fewer people are purchasing a PS5 due to Sony and japan’s preference for portable gaming
@@DieHardjagged the same was true in first 2 years of PS4 life in comparison to PS3.
I get it the reason why less titles were cross-gen back then is connected to different architecture and most probably a significantly higher cost of developing for both. I believe we will a few more titles for PS4.
I believe it will due to how covid has screwed up their plans in fact i also feel PS5 will have the shortest in terms of time between generation to generation while ps4 holds up well in the meantime
Great video guys. The flicking back and forth between systems was awesome. I'm enjoying it on PS5. The motion blurs sick and load times make it a breeze to play. But glad to know the guys on PS4 are still getting a good deal. Good job Sony.
I remember when going from 1 generation to the other was a pretty significant jump but from PS4 to PS5 if these guys don't point out the differences I wouldn't even notice it.
Its still early in the life cycle, cant compare much when it was basically made for PS4 just had minor upgrades to PS5. Either way PS5 is a significant jump over PS4, especially in performance. TH-cam doesn't justify the FULL experience
It’s because we’ve kinda reached a plateau in graphical fidelity, now the difference is basically Ray Tracing vs older Screen Space Reflections
Holy shit, I wish EVERY game would have ability to play replays across multiple consoles for digital Foundry to compare, it made it sooooo easy to see in real time the generation console changes!
My takeaway from this is the sheer speed of that SSD and what’s possible when it’s utilised…. 0.9 seconds 🤪
- never forget the dedicated hardware and API for decompression/caching.
That's what makes the SSD in Series and PS5 shine. It's not just the physical SSD unit -- it's the next-gen storage IO paired with it.
You could use a blistering fast SSD on last-gen and it's still missing that crucial hardware-accelerated IO component.
Lol when your game looks like a PS3 game without any 4K textures..😂 of course is going to load fast 🤣
@@griffgames9538 ,
Hardware acceleration on last-gen is NOT the only thing missing. What's missing is that none of the games are written to take advantage of the SSD. The data gets moved from the SSD/HDD into the shared memory (or system + VRAM on PC).... because OTHER tasks that involve the CPU/GPU are also going on during initial game setup the speed of the SSD doesn't matter much... you could put in a normal 550MBps sequential and get very similar load times to a drive that's HALF the speed.
The entire game ENGINE needs to be written to request assets ON-THE-FLY before drive speed matters much. Or the console's OS moving lumps of pre-prepared data (like game state saves). Or whatever... but speeding up the I/O on last-gen does very little if the game can't utlize it... same as on PC when a 3.5GBps SSD barely loads a game faster than a 0.5GBps SSD.
So to be CLEAR:
You need BOTH the hardware I/O to be present AND the game to be able to utilize it.
@@photonboy999 Yup.
@@damgood7525 child dragging on the console wars like it's still 2006 found
It would be nice to see a performance RT mode. Maybe it could be done at 1800p or 1440p. Also, great video guys.
Does seem like an over sight given how much praise performance RT modes have gotten
I'm waiting for this as well. I wish that Polyphony could find a way to integrate RT into actual gameplay as opposed to just replays and demo mode.
Think more like 1080p60. The ray tracing on the ps5 isnt so strong.
@@meowmeow2759 I think it could be possible at 1440p if you look at what Insomniac did with Ratchet & Clank and Miles Morales. If they lower the RT reflection resolution to also help.
@@TristanTheVRGamecat I don’t think it’s oversight. Yamauchi has always been a stickler for the best possible quality out of the game engine on any given system. He’d much rather have the highest resolution, highest frame rate, highest highest quality raytracing possible. He may consider a lower resolution raytracing on the cars ruins the beauty of said vehicles, reason why it wasn’t a goal to implement it.
the in motion comparison of the foliage and stuff between versions was really cool 👍 love that
Loving the game so far. Some awesomely beautiful moments to be had. Extremely polished and great fun!
Sooo polished! I'm actually very impressed at the level of polish I find myself in awe when a moment comes where the environment lighting hits the screen I have to pause it and just stare!
This. People criticize the graphics, but here's the catch: games like Forza Horizon 5 must sacrifice draw distance to achieve great looks, which leads to pop ins and visible LOD transitions. GT7 has very few, if any pop ins, and the lighting is the best ever seen in a racing game.
My Nissan Z '23 and my golf gti and v8 vantage keep slipping when shifting gears at low gears. Can you guys help figure out what's going on and what I need to change on the cars?
@@nightdriver7216 people also seem to forget that GT7 pushes these visuals while at constant native 4k at 60fps.
Forza (Horizon) and GT are wildly different games and graphics engines - forza is open-world for a start. F Horizon manages 60fps at a lower resolution and 4k at 30fps. Both are beautiful and great games. People need to chill!😅
Happy racing, fam :)
This game is really making me consider pausing my Horizon Forbidden West campaign
Edit - decided to buy it, too much ubisoft type collectable crap in Horizon Forbidden West. The first game was much better, sometimes keeping things simple is better than making things complicated.
The takeaway from this is how impressive the base console is.
Take away from this how they never pushed the PS5.
Amazing for a 9 year old 400 $ machine.
@@glenmcl True
GT7 is a ps4 game that's ported to the ps5
So the last gen consoles doing "impressive" really isn't considering Polyphony prioritized the last gen consoles
@Salt Maker Drive Club physics are trash. Stop being a graphics hoar.
I know the all the rage is in Elden Ring right now, as well as Horizon Forbidden West, but I’m glad GT7 came out so there’s a little something for everyone and truly enjoying my first GT since GT6 on PS3.
I absolutely love the work you guys do but as someone who has not gone too far out of the way to find a PS5, I look at this video and say to myself that the only thing that makes the PS5 better in terms of experience would be the greatly reduced load times. Hats off to PD for not short changing us folks who don't have time to fight ordering bots or pay an king's ransom to gougers.
Continue the good fight lad. Never pay a scalper for gouging prices.
I fought for 4 months until i finally got one. It was stressful and frustrating. You're right though, for now the loading times are the only real benefit. Framerate is nice, but not needed. Man I'm loving elden ring
Another *huge* benefit is the noise. My PS4 Pro sounded like it was about to explode sometimes. It was very annoying.
And about getting a PS5, can't you order it online and then have it sent when it's available? That's how I got mine at retail price nine months after launch (I placed the order just after.)
Ι think the next gen differences in graphics will be seen more in the future updates where completely new tracks will be added. The new tracks in gt7 (trial mountain and deepforest) look absolutely stunning. All the other tracks are just gt sport tracks but a bit enchanced
damage control
As long as it has to run on PS4 it will not look next gen. Hope I wrong but I can't see how it's logically possible
How do GT7 fans feel about the insane microtransactions? single cars costing up to $200 and $20-$50 being a fairly average price for most cars 🤯
@@lordxboss5700 reserved for the rich kids that will fund the game. I’ll just grind and earn the cars.
@Andy everything is going that route. Halo infinite disc didn’t even have the game on it.
Those shots switching from 5 to 4pro were amazing, congrats
Very impressed with the analysis of GT7 . I found this channel a few months ago and now they are my go to for all my video game tech info ! Excellent work gentlemen !
The game is beautiful, and the controls are tight. I'm always telling myself, " Just one more race." lol
Playing GT7 on a PS5 is *tight*
Beautiful? LMAOOOOO
I'll wait till he goes on sale but this game looks fun+
I love your work guys! In all honesty, I am shocked how minor the improvements are between a generation - perhaps taking into account my expectations of a generation jump. Sad to find out the ray-tracing is replays only, it hardly seems worth mentioning to me!
Well considering replays are a huge part of the game, I would say its definitely worth mentioning.
Rather disable RT and enjoy 60 FPS replays
Nothing to be shocked over.
@@FurBurger151 how are replays a "huge part of the game" lol let alone "ray tracing in replays"
@@metadata4255 Dude how do you think video uploads work? The replay actually has better spatial Audio and and the global illumination in RT mode Is phenomenal. I always save a replay of Great Races and honestly It can be better watching it then driving considering the action shots it produces.
I was shocked to see base ps4 targeting 60fps, a few fps drops here and there but in the main it gives a good showing.
Idk how it's surprising every single GT game has been 60fps since the PS2 era it's just not something they have ever advertised
@@tankiller9638 its a great technical achievement given the quality of the visuals. 60fps is something I never take for granted especially when so many titles nowadays show poor performance.
They could have pushed more detail on PS4 with a 30 FPS lock.
I would also say it's not so hard to achieve high frame rate on these type of games, the world is mostly empty with the only entities being the cars.
GT7 with 30fps locked?? I dont think so kiddo
@@Jay-jb2vr if you'll fall asleep by playing a driving sim might aswell do it in a cinematic style.
Having a PS4 and PS5, didn't know about the cross-saving feature, that's really cool!
Don't need a ps4 anymore
Nobody No one
@@putinpower yes you need. Ps5 isn't available unless you're lucky
Haha PlayStation. Good Luck pathetic specs
@@neoone75 ps5 ? Nobody with a brain buys that
@@neoone75 you must know some really unlucky people, because getting a ps5 today is heavily available.
Full marks for showing AE86 Levin car in the comparison footage.
Digital Foundary, you know your stuff 👍🏻!
Honestly, not a big difference imo. Like Alex said it's basically the difference between PC low-medium and ultra settings which oftentimes don't impress me anyways.
Little bit more detail here, better reflections there and higher res and sure, ray-tracing in some cases.
Considering the major difference in hardware power, you would expect a little more, but for cross-gen games I guess that's to be expected.
the perfectly matched driving and transitions from 3:16 on trial mountain is soooo goooood
Polyphony Digital has always been really good at squeezing out graphical fidelity while keeping performance high, and I'm definitely more than happy with how things turned out on base PS4 vs. PS5. Can't wait when a PS5 actually becomes attainable so i can get those faster load times
Thanks!
I remember the time we compare mega drive and snes, sega saturn to playstation, dreamcast to playstation 2 to xbox. we can see distinctive graphic difference. Nowadays, a cross gen comparison, I have to put my glasses on and lean very close to the monitor, still can't see much of difference. well, I think the fun of graphics comparison is pretty much over.
I was so hyped when it got announced and i am not disappointed even though my expectations were high. It's rare not to be disappointed when a hyped videogame finally releases.
Except for the fact that 98% of the game will be unplayable in 5 or 10 years when the servers go offline.
I’ve got it on ps5. When I booted it up. I thought for sure I’m going with the ray tracing mode. I know it’s not in gameplay, but in everything else. Photo mode, replays, menus etc. but… when in the garage viewing my cars in scapes etc, then flipping over to performance mode. Performance is so much better. Can barely notice the ray tracing in all honesty. In fact, I didn’t really notice it at all. Only if you look for it. In performance mode, everything else is so smooth. It actually looks next gen. Performance mode easily.
I've seen some comparisons and feel the same way. Looks like the ray tracing is not that extensive, and they've had to cut resolution/aliasing to compensate. In some scenes, the non-raytraced lighting also just looks overall better. I've kept it on performance mode from the beginning and replays/scapes are a sight to behold.
The gameplay always stays in performance mode. So it’s better to just keep it in RT mode. You get RT in menus, scapes and replays and gameplay in performance. Best of both worlds.
@@maxminy5634 I know.
But the ray tracing makes the performance look awful. I know it’s 30. But 60 is so much more appealing to the eyes. And plus I can’t even tell. For me, it’s not worth the trade off.
@@richwatson1985 the gameplay doesn’t go to 30. The only thing in 30 and RT is the replays. You’re playing the same way regardless of performance or RT mode
@@maxminy5634 yes I know 😂 I know gameplay is 60. Gameplay is 60 regardless of what mode you choose. And the rest is 30 in ray tracing. I’m saying the way the 30fps is done, I don’t think it’s that great. I think overall it looks better in performance mode for the menus, photo mode, replays etc
So PS5 being 100% experience, with PS4 pro you're playing at 90% most of the differences are small details and for a racing game you won't even notice them lol great job the PS4 still holds up!
I really hope Sony makes a true next-gen Gran Turismo. I'm a bit disappointed that this game is cross-gen, which is understandable due to the install base of ps4. I was just hoping we could see the true power of ps5 with Gran Turismo. Hopefully within this generation we will get one. I still bought GT7 launch edition for ps5, but I hope they make a true next gen one in a couple of years.
True
What defines next gen though? On pc next gen is most often a difference in settings, not limited or defined by game content. Current gen consoles are mostly "next gen" because of their abilitiy to render graphics at higher res along with more/higher graphics settings and features. On my pc, I can play forza horizon 5 @720p low settings and there we go, I'm 2 console generations back. Still the 'same' game, by design. I can also change a few settings and make the game equal or beyond current gen console capabilities(limited by my specific hardware obviously.)
My point being, what defines "next gen" is no longer defined by game design or content.
@@jmac79ers next gen is defined by the usage of brand new techniques that can't be done on lasts gen, Ratchet & Clank is a good example, Matrix Demo's is also another good example, no matter how much you try to downgrade both games, they could never work on last gen machines.
Unfortunately ps4 and future pc version(they have to run it for most rigs in two years) hold games back. If it was ps5 only lit would look unbelievable.
@@jmac79ers Pretty graphics isn't what makes something "Next Gen". You can turn GTAV on PC to max settings and it still feels like a PS3 game. Next Gen also has to do with the games mechanics. The Matrix Awakens on the PS5 is the best example of new mechanics. The vehicle damage, the way the vehicles deform and rolls while you're shooting out the back window looks like a movie but it's all random and natural, happening in real time. Even the glass pieces that slide and round and bounce randomly as the car is swirving. These are things you can't just go into the settings and turn on. It has to be built into the games engine. That's what makes something Next Gen. A RTX 3090 isn't going to make Fallout 76 feel Next Gen, idc how many mods you throw at it. But it might look a little nicer.
Maybe I missed it, but what about the Dualsense? I’m interested to know, how they implemented it in this game :)
Check reviews from other channels, it's very interesting
Lots of vibrating
Great work on the comparision. I think PS4 Pro is holding up quite well. The difference is very big between the versions and there are some fps drops but I think on it's own it looks pretty decent. I'm on Xbox but props to Polyphony for giving last gen PlayStation good experience in GT7. Also, it was good to hear Nurburgring Suite from Enthusia in the background!
base ps4 as well is holding up well
Overall what looks better GT7 on PS4-Pro
Or Forza 7 on One X ?
@@TelscombeTerror My knowledge is rather limited as I didn't play GT7 but it definitely has better car models and lighting than FM7. FM7 has tons of cars but they are less accurate than GT - some car models are quite old and car sounds are worse. FM7 on the other hand should have more stable framerate and it runs in native 4K.
@@TelscombeTerror Forza cuz it's native 4k
@@TelscombeTerror You can argue it comes down to taste. I think GT7 looks like a Micheal Bay movie, so forza looks more like real life, despite not having as much detail, being 5 years old. Forza maybe looks a bit washed out in comparison but I prefer that. Both games are probably worth a play. You'll have to track down Forza 2nd hand because MS don't sell it anymore.
So basically YET another reason to not hunt for a ps5 since I have a ps4 pro w an upgraded SSD
Ngl, I wished GT7 was current-gen only. Whilst GT7 looks great on PS5 it is clearly built on GT sport (which is last-gen). So at the end of the day GT7 is just a nicer looking GT sport.
I just feel last-gen is holding back (graphically) current-gen games.
Or they just can't be arsed to make an effort because lets be honest there was hardly a leap from GT6 ps3 to GTsport.
@@johnbishop2536 True. I almost forgot how GT5 had premium and PS2 era car models. But the decision to go cross-gen is understandable seeing that we’re in 2022 and still hard to find PS5.
I don't think Polyphony could pump out a proper next-gen GT7 that quickly. GT7 was always going to be a nicer looking GT Sport unless they delayed it to 2025-2026.
Forza Motorsport is gonna blow this out of the water
I don't know why Alex just laught at older console's graphics (like at 3:50). Other than that the video is a great comparison. Also, he is the only person I know that doen't consider PS4 a valid option to play the game
Digital Foundry, keeping developers on their toes lol
On PS5, what tripped me out was when buying a car, you can set it to dynamic scenery to show the car in motion in different areas, but you can also change the color instantly while it's doing that.
Idk but little things like that is crazy to me lol
To be fair you could already change the color of the vehicle in real time on GT Sport while it is driving on those demo scenes you describe.
@@MegaRayland cool.
Getting it looking that good on the original PS4 is pretty impressive tbh :)
@Salt Maker it also runs at 30FPS only, which is a sacrilege for racing games
Lol.. their the same game 😂 except $ony charges you $70 for the
Paystation 5 version 🤣 Pay Has No Limit For the Payers $$$
@@damgood7525 I rather pay for games than play half ass effort games on gamepass like halo infinite campaign.
@@Mike-wc3jo oh you measn half ass games like the 92 meta Forza Horizon 5.. 😂 huge open world wicht look and plays miles better then this ps3 looking game at $70.. stay on point kid. Halo is a first person shooter not the same comparison 🤣 but at least you tried
the synced comparison is insane. Nice work!
loving gt7, just unlocked nurburgring and exploring the online trial run / social options so far, really cool, you can really tell this is a ps4/pro game that is extremely suped up for the ps5 with addition of 4k60 and RT for replays and photos, and it's early in the gen so the release makes sense, but this just makes me further more excited about the future of GT as well, the data loading in and out via SSD and compression tech of the ps5 is perfect for a track racing game where you can only see a small segment of the full track at the same time - reminds me of DF videos on crash bandicoot retro talking about the streaming technology to get the highest resolution assets - this really is just a taste of what GT can be on the ps5 and dare i say the ps5 pro...... if it will have a dedicated gpu unit for RT 4k60 with RT should be easy, with a lot more complexity in background and environment details as a ps5 only game
Those loading times are incredible, under a second!! Also impressed by how much that motion blur ties everything together.
What about performance when you lock PS4 Pro to 1080p? Apart from inclusion of motion blur, does it also increse performance?
Yeah, I would have liked to have known this as well. They almost completely glossed over the PS4 Pro in 1080p ... they only mentioned it because of motion blur being available on PS4 Pro in that particular mode. It would have been interesting to see if the PS4 Pro could maintain a flat 60FPS on the rainy track with all the cars ahead of you in 1080p, etc.
Shoutout to the editor (or whoever) decided to switch back and forth between the two versions! That's exactly what I like to see when comparing - makes it so much easier - appreciate the time and effort y'all keep putting into these videos! Much love!
Edit: Just got to the 7:00 mark where y'all explain how this was possible lol. Man, if only every game allowed this feature! Comparison videos would be L I T.
Another great video. Loved the switching back and forth For comparisons.
Usually never comment on your videos, but, I really appreciate the flashing back and forth between the different versions in real time like that! I hate having to look at different parts of my screen to see the difference between games.
I wonder if an aggressive DRS solution would be enough to implement RT reflections during gameplay while retaining the same or similar level of performance.
Either way, it seems odd to not include DRS even for a game that's *mostly* locked to it's target framerate. Given how minor the frame drops are, DRS could probably eliminate those entirely while only having to make very minor adjustments to resolution
It would be too costly a hit. Maybe ps6 time or if they drop a PC port.
@@crazykenbei no it wouldn't, if they're dropping less than 10 frames during performance bottlenecks and the frame drops don't happen that often, that means the hit to performance is minimal at best. Which means the resolution wouldn't have to drop very much at all, and even when it does dip it wouldn't last for very long. I'm talking specifically about the PS5 version though. Also whether the resolution dip is too costly varies from person to person, I'd be fine with anything from 1400p-2160p personally
@@apictureoffunction probably but Gran Turismo is a series that isn't about compromising and cutting corners. It's supposed to be a tour de force in the car visuals. I think they would rather just wait when the console tech is powerful enough or when they don't have to deal with the cross gen stuff.
maybe it's just me, but when playing on PS5 the graphics look good but not crazy realistic during the races themselves, but during the replay it looks like I'm watching real footage of a race. It's crazy
That's because during a race the graphics are turned down a little to hit the targeted frames
The loading time differences are insane.
I was finally able to get ps5 at GameStop this morning and the loading times alone is worth it. Now I feel more inclined to tune my cars due to loading times
I wonder what they could've done if they developed this game for the ps5 only
A lot more I expect. The rain effects are still some way behind Forza Motorsport 7, and PS4 could be the reason.
yes!!! sucks we still have a PS4 game 😑😑😑😑
@@grumpyrocker lol that was made for Xbox one. Forza Motorsport will be series consoles only and that will blow this out of the water.
@@grumpyrocker But FM7 was made for the base xbox one wich is weaker than the base ps4. And still looks better than this.
@@007Dcastillo 1080p does not look better than 4k lmao. And GT sport even looks better than forza 7. But yeah the rain effects are the only thing that doesn’t look amazing. Driveclub rain effects even look better
It is exceedingly disappointing that very little BC Compression is used for PS5 at all, we still have a huge 100+GB install that is just completely unnecessary.
While the developers constantly say GT7 on PS5 is not compromised, and it is more than a regular cross-gen game.
I'm really happy how the ps4 version turned out, but I hope they fix the small framerate issue.
Im sure a patch for all 3 versions is in the works.
Other than the loading times, this video convinced me I don’t need to spend $400+ on a unicorn to enjoy GT7 as it looks great on the PS4 Pro (which I already own for years). The graphical differences are actually very minor and you’d only notice them with both shown side by side. It’s not a “next gen” leap. It’s more of a slight polishing. More like PS4 Pro+. Which is in general what I’ve noticed with the new consoles. When it comes to improving graphics, it’s been a flattening curve. In other words, the improvements from PS1 to PS2 where much greater than 2 to 3, which were greater than 3 to 4, etc. Same goes for Xbox. Generational improvements are getting smaller each generation as we approach photorealism, which constantly seems on the horizon and unreachable.
Wow, massive cross-gen differences but a stunning achievement everywhere. Dare I dream about a PC release one day? Awesome job John and Alex!
It’s in the September nvidia leak. So potentially!
@@MrThecoolman no that leak is just a stress test
@@MrThecoolman 🤣🤣🤣🤣😅
Difference?
I'd kill for a PC port
22:03 ...was that a reference to a certain bird?
So for $10 extra, the PS5 version gives you more grass/trees and faster loading times?
That's definitely the most impressive comparison yet, being able to run the same in-game replay footage between all three consoles sure worked wonders!😁👍👏
Given that PS4 games can be played on PS5, I wonder what improvements if any would be found with a PS4 GT7 disc in a PS5 vs PS4 Pro.
There isn't any because the PlayStation doesn't really improve graphics in older games unless you pay extra for the upgrade you might get better frames
@@ghosttrain5588 Loading times can be much faster on PS4 games
5:22 May have forgotten to add the “PS4 Pro” tag on the bottom left as it was switching. Great video!
I love how you guys keep in parts where the crew stumbles over a word or two like with Alex suddenly becoming inebriated while saying "Playstation 5" at 13:17. Made me laugh. Happens to me all too often.
As a person with a 2tb Samsung QVO in my PS4 Pro. Load times don’t matter as much once you drop an ssd in. Especially one that has its on ram. Also, texture load in isn’t nearly as bad.
Great job DF i am loving the game on PS4 Pro and had no reason to be worried thanks again, now back to racing ;)
Nice feedback thanks
A massive success for all platforms really. If you're stuck on a base/PS4 Pro like me it's nice to know that aside from the load times, you're still getting the full GT7 experience. This is not a situation like the PS3 days where they pushed too hard and the games ran poorly as a result. That said, I feel a big part of what makes this game hold up regardless of console is PD's lighting technology. They nailed that as early as GT5, and IMO they've been leading that category ever since.
The difference between PS5 and PS4 Pro aren't what i expect from a new generation. PS4 Pro looks and runs pretty well. I guess GT7 would look much better If Polyphony released it for PS5 only.
Looking at what was achieved with Drive Club I think its more about design choice with PD than hardware limitations. The material finish in GT Sport is absurdly detailed and still ahead of anyone else. They really started focusing on car detail with GT6 and Sport seems to be the continuation of that.
Great editing on the compares - very smooth. Well done guys!
Watching this video at 1080p on my phone, it's pretty difficult to see the differences, but they are definitely there. To me, the biggest advantage of Playstation 5 is those incredibly fast load times. These videos make me want to purchase this game so bad, but I just can't bring myself to pay $70 for an online only single player game.
Exactly
Apparently you can play most of the single player without a connection, but I agree in principle.
K, bye
Ya most games are not worth that $10 price hike specially since most games have microtransactions and the devs make millions of of them so the excuse they used saying they need games to be $70 to be able to make games how they want is bs
Just wait a year. It will be $30. Wait another year and it will be $20. Wait another year and it will be free.
Interesting comparisons, but I noticed you had motion blur on PS5 (unless that's a default setting) which made the still shots look blurry in comparison to the PS4 Pro version.
He says it’s default and on PS4 Pro motion blur is only available in 1080p mode
I’m hating this game. The last GT game I played was GT5. This one seems very restrictive to start, I wish I could get my money back.
Holy crap @ the editing in this video. The live comparison while driving between PS4 Pro and PS5 @3:15 was insanely well done. Kudos guys!
I know a lot of people here are hoping for Polyphony to patch in different graphics modes and such, but I personally want to see them patch in *offline saving* support for the single-player modes before anything else... I can't in good conscience pay full price for a game that forces online for its single-player modes. Especially when it's being published by a company that used the *lack* of BS always online restrictions as a *selling point* for their console back in 2013...
Damn straight. I hope they have something for offline saving.
I'm getting sick and tired of John Linneman grinding his axe to play down the PS4 Pro in order to justify PS5 exclusivity to "make full use of the PS5." Stop saying the game looks "quite good" on both systems. It's a loaded statement and we are onto you. The game looks very impressive on both systems with the PS5 benefitting from the extra grunt. If you think GT Sport was developed with a short sighted PS4 in mind, you are extremely naive. PS5 was in the picture as a port of the tech was crafted for PS4. Prototypes were in 8K. Yes further developments on the PS5 side have taken place since, what did you expect. You don't need native PS5 exclusivity to take full advantage of the PS5. Yes you can make games that utilise exclusive features, but not all games need that. PC has been grinding brute force for years without any focussed optimisations on efficiency.
Most Playstation gamers are stuck on PS4 or PS4 Pro. Only 10% are on PS5. John Linneman wants to deny all those players from playing the game so he can enjoy some 'maybe' special feature the PS5 might use. He did the same trick with the Horizon Forbidden West comparison which sold far more copies to PS4/PS4 Pro gamers than PS5 gamers. Sony needed those sales to pay for the development of the game. There are not enough PS5 gamers out there to fund it. The plan was to have a bigger PS5 usebase by now, but Covid trashed that plan. John is fighting a loosing battle. He's deluded and acting selfishly. Think about the gamers who use the hardware you're comparing. I use to respect John until he stabbed me in the back.
In my honest opinion this cross gen is clearly making the ps5 versions of games becoming a bit hindered.
I paid the money for a ps5 and these are the miniscule differences? This is piss!!!
I'm sorry but i think that polyphony Digital Is lazy. You Just can't make a track that Is state of the art and recycle the others from gt sport. I still Remember when they added gt4 cars in gt5 (or GT6?) PS3. The PS2 models were awful. Same things here.
In my opinion worst part is they had the nerve to take the cars that were properly rendered with PS3 assets, and rebrand them as “premium” cars.
t 1st, youc an easy be mistaken, very similar, but those clips where you switch between to see the difference in the environments, really shows how much of a difference you get, the extra shadows, trees, better textures etc, just makes it look so more 'realistic' to life, rather than a 'realistic looking game'. Those sections with no trees and bare cliff sides on Ps4 make it look rouch, they spoil the rest of the environmental details.
I'm in love with this game 😊❤️
& i really hope they make/port it to Playstation VR2
Really?
@@artmars5799 why not racing games are best played in vr you can turn ya head use your mirrors actually effectively and with a good wheel with some decent feedback can be super immersive
Polyphony probably already have the PSVR2 Dev kit... GT is a triple A title for Sony ..makes huge sence to implement it to shift head sets when they are eventually available.
@@artmars5799 You’d be surprised at how many sim racing games support VR & how much demand there is for the ones that don’t to do so. Having tried GT Sport on the original PSVR & Project CARS on my Rift S, there definitely is a benefit (driving does feel more natural in VR as you can utilize techniques you would in real life, such as looking where you want to go).
@@NN010 don't forget using VR is often cheaper than a triple monitor setup for sims.
Playing moon over the castle in the background from the second game intro is a great move :) I like that more than the new version in the GT7 intro
A little bit disapointet that there was no direct comparison with GT Sport, since it was mentioned so oftne in this video. Also i would have liked more Ps4 footage, since this is the most played on console. Also i am missing the respect towards PD for bringing such a superb version to a console thats almost 9 years old.
As an Xbox guy I will say this is one of the games that makes me want a PS5. 👏👏👏
I'm disappointed that most of the comparisons are between the 5 and the 4pro , most PS4 users have the ordinary 4 and not the pro version so this comparison is a little too niche .
Yeah, the Foundry folks spend a ton of time on the Pro and One X, and I don't know anybody who owns them, but you better believe I know a trillion people who own base PS4s and and base Xbox Ones.
I hope Sony and Microsoft never put out a pro console ever again just for it degrading DF content
i mean they mentioned in the video that the main difference between the 4 and 4 pro is resolution and that the rest is basically the same apart from like tyre skid marks being blurry
8:29
PS4 PRO version is the same as the base one except for resolution. So what you’re seeing here in the pro version is the same thing you’re getting in the base model.
base ps4 is lower res, and by en large, the same changes appear.
Just buy a pro then. Problem solved!
something about the field of view in third person does a really good job at making you feel like you are driving fast even when your not driving at 100mph, cant explain it hope others noticed his too
This game feels like a PS4 pro plus game. Not a Ps5 game. Texture pop in and the environment does not feel alive. With that said, I still like it.
Didn't see a single texture pop in.
What about the performance in 1080pMode? Is there an Advantage in Framerate?
There is no 1080p mode
To be fair graphically I’m more impressed with how well PS4/Pro hold up against the latest gen, the biggest difference for me in that load time which is around x40 faster which is nuts however I wonder how much smaller that difference is when the PS4/Pro are equipped with an SSD
I put an SSD in my PS4 Pro, and it definitely helped. Nowhere near as instant as PS5 but if I had to guess I’d say loading is maybe 20-25 seconds instead of 40.
@@isaacmcaninch8530 previous DF tests using SSDs on PS4 and Pro have shown that the average reduction is around half time for loading compared to HDDs.
50%. 22 seconds.
Quite surprising that PS4 version of GRAN TURISMO 7 is as amazing as the PS5 counterpart.