"tons of tracks and hundreds of cars" has been par for over a decade AAA driving games (GT and Forza, etc). VR is only able because Sony decided togive it another try. Every major PC racer has VR as well (Race Room, iRacing, Auto Corsetta or whatevr it's called, etc). 120fps is defintely cool though, although Forza 8 will most likely end up having it as well after a few upfdates after release. What Polyphony needs to focus on is user experience/ "fun factor," which is somewhat lacking.
@smokebomb.exe yea for a casual like me the car unlocking system is very stingy. All the cars look beautiful but you can spend countless hours trying to get them or pay literal hundreds of dollars for like 1 car. And yea the fun factor is lacking - im not drawn to the 20 lap or hour long races. The great technology is there and thats awesome to see. The music rally is certainly a half-baked attempt at an arcade experience
It is too bad that so few will buy a Playstation 5, Playstation Plus and Playstation VR 2 only for Gran Turismo 7. Maybe the new Armored Core will have PSVR support?
Glad you covered this update. The resolution mode with 120fps and VRR is definitely my favorite way to go. Sticks around 80-90fps a good amount of the time and looks/feels great!
How are you getting this to work? It does not look like 4K at all for me. I have a Sony 120hz 4k VRR tv. 120hz resolution and frame rate look the same.
im still going fingers crossed that this is still just a soft launch of the vr2 since it released in february, hoping to see a lot more of it later on, especially during the holidays
@skooterboots I was thinking the same thing. It seems like they are building a library for a Holiday push and potential price cut later in the year. It wouldn't surprise me if they also had some big Holiday games, seeing as they have lots of games rumored to be in development, with VR modes, like Twisted Metal and Wipeout, and then there's the possibility of Half Life Alyx coming to the sytstem
I don’t think PS VR2 is sold at retailers over here in the Netherlands. So far Sony exclusive so I could see that retailers wouldn’t even want to support such a campaign.
Man i really didnt know what to expect when I bought the psvr2… never even used vr before that. The closest i got to it was with my 3ds lol. But luckily i already owned this game, so when i booted it up with the headset, my mind was BLOWN. I enjoyed every minute of it. This is an amazing vr game that everyone should at least try out.
@@LOSTBHOY88 How you gonna sell PSVR 2 then? People want content not just a headset, it's exact same game except running in VR why would them charge you more for it? 🤣
@@TRX25EX the real answer is: The cost of development time, however, I'm fairly certain they did they math. I'm 100% sure the VR update sold copies. Hell, I bought it. It's awesome.
@@Receipt What cost? Assetto Corsa works on PC with 4K + Tripple screen + VR + Oculus VR while costing half of GT7 price..... Stop giving Sony more reasons to charge us
Absolutely love playing this game in PSVR2 with the Thrustmaster Gt2 wheel and pedal set. I do own a 120hz LG C1 OLED tv, but I won’t ever see the benefits of this update, as I have no intention of ever playing the game again in 2d flat screen mode.
I was never really interested in driving games because playing on a flat screen didn’t provide an immersive experience, no matter how nice your wheel and pedal setup was. Psvr2 and GT7 definitely changed that. Best gaming experience I’ve likely ever had.
Thank you so much for this analysis! They could've made these 4 options more clear to the end user, especially the difference in pixel count between the resolution mode with or without VRR.
Fantastic work Olie! I have high hopes that we see a 120fps mode for PSVR2 down the track considering the continual work Polyphony are putting into the title. Great to see.
@ronaldkasteel3459 Yes, the PSVR2 is 90-120hz. But I highly doubt a high graphics game like this would ever be able to reach that. As is, GT7 runs at 60fps in VR, reprojected up to a higher fps, which causes ghosting on moving objects. It's not terrible, but it's there. Same with Horizon Call of the Mountain. Reprojected fps gives you the smooth look you need in VR, but due to the blurring ghosting effect things don't look as sharp as it would when running at a native hertz. So if GT7 can't even reach 90fps in VR, there's no way it could reach 120fps.
Even though im not a person that can currently appreciate these modes, its incredible that they exist and will be useful in the future. Playing your favorite games with enough frame-rate improvements paired with vrr is definetly a reason to play them again.
I've beeb playing GT7 almost every day since launch, and this has been my favorite update yet. It was so immediately noticeable. So much smoother, and it might be my imagination, but I think even the menu load screens are faster. It is just beautiful. That being said, I wish it would go back to ray tracing for replays and other game modes. The actual racing is great at 120 fps, but I want it to be beautiful also when I'm not driving.
If Resolution 120HZ + VRR is 4K, something is different than the 60HZ modes as it is noticeably more aliased and pixelated. Not buying a one-for-one full 4k at 120Hz, no matter what setting. I have since switched to 60 HZ as it is a much cleaner image.
@@kdm7820that's what I'm tryna tell people! It's not true 2160p on any 120hz setting. 1440p is absolute max. People spreading a bunch of bs around. 120hz is nice for the motion smoothness but it's not worth the resolution drop at all imo.
Great video as always (even if the quality of the driving makes me want to cry)! I'm really enjoying the resolution + 120hz + VRR mode, I think it's a great compromise between visual quality and framerate as the bump to the fidelity of motion is appreciable. While I can live without ray traced replays, it would be cool if they gave you an explicit toggle for that in each mode.
Forza has much bigger things to take care of first than 120FPS....like, proper steering wheel support, proper rank based multiplayer implementation, more realistic driving model and so on....these are some of the reasons why FM7 got annihilated by GT sports in 2017
u forgot to mention they also improved the reprojection by half in VR, i cant prove it but i see the REPROJECTION is half improved than before esspecially when u look the cars besides you.. u will see some ghosting but its less distracting now
I’ve said this in the past, ray tracing and resolution choices are nice additions, but an e-sports minded individual will take greater frames at a little bit lower resolution. It’s the old adage of “frames win games”. If you’re a content creator then resolution may be for you, but if you’re a competitive player, you want smooth gameplay.
I have noticed a bug when trying to use 120hz and VRR with my 1440p hdmi 2.1 monitor. With the system set to 1440p, if I enable 120hz in game the system output changes to 1080p, confirmed by backing out of the game and going to the display info page in system settings
@@vincevirtua Just figured id let you know restarting didnt change much. With the system set to 1440p and 120hz/VRR set to automatic, when I load the game with 120hz resolution mode enabled in game the screen goes black for a second then comes back, and if I back out of the game and go to video output information in the system settings it says it is outputting 1080p vrr even though the resolution setting is still 1440p. If I quit the game it goes back to 1440p output which leads me to believe it is game specific bug.
Now we need a Resolution + VRR + ray-tracing mode and also the ability to fully unlock everything on the PSVR 2 ... because those will be the best modes to use on the upcoming PS5 pro and later, on the PS6.
I play it everyday in VR since PSVR2's launch. It's clearly smoother when looking for example out the side window in motion. It's minimum 90 fps now in my opinion 💟
The game is 5000 times better after this patch than it was before this patch. Just because they finally fixed the physics . Now it's actually worth playing which is hasn't been since not long after launch.
HDR does work, i'v got mine running at 3840x2160 HDR, UHD, VRR in the 120hz mode but have chosen the ray tracing mode over the frame rate mode as the frame rate mode seems to be alot more blurry in places, he's using a samsung tv as am i with the same osd game bar so i'm not sure why he hasn't got the hdr enabled, maybe his tv doesn't support it or there's a reason why he's got it turned off, but it does work, maybe @Digital Foundry or someone can explain more why it's off in this video.
While PS5's VRR implementation is lackluster compared to Xbox - Sony did a good job of taking real advantage of it in games - they simply unlock the framerate for you. I only hope Microsoft is up for a response with unlocked 60+ fps Forza Motorsport with ray traced reflections. At least Turn 10 promised RT+60 fps+4K on Series X
Despite my misgivings with Polyphony and Sony, I LOVE the ideas of developers taking advantage of vrr to increase the fidelity of their games while budgeting the frame rate. We see this sometimes with some games locking to 40fps in a 120hz container, but the game literally detecting the use of vrr in order to balance the quality vs frame rate on a deeper level is something I hope to see as being the future of games and vrr tech.
Well my GT7 experience as a new player is rubbish. It crashes on the reward screen after every race, and it switches TV modes contsantly between each area (world map, pre-race, race, replay, reward, world map etc), giving me a blank screen..sometimes that takes so long at the start of races that the race starts before the game engine actually fixes on a screen mode and displays any picture. Awful so far.
I hope the developers can improve anti-aliasing in the 120hz modes. They look rough, especially when compared to Grid Legends running in its 120hz mode, which looks much cleaner by comparison.
@@vincevirtua fair enough but if im taking a visual hit on a racing game its gonna be for VR. Flat screen better have the best graphics ive ever seen 😂😂
That was something mostly started by xbox fanboys. Yet the mtx in forza horizon 5 are much worse then on gt7. I played both. Gt7 gives you a fair amount of credits per race. You can earn up to 1.7 million credits per hour.
@@ElephantTrap Um, No. That was a very real problem that was stated by all GT Veterans. Please check out r/GranTurismo for the community reaction and ground reality.
There were literally no monetization issues. They nerfed some payouts then changed them back and then some within a month I think it was. The big payout races earn you 1.5 million credits an hour roughly. It's very easy to buy all the cars you want.
@@dhivydhimanth1960 As the others have stated here, there is no monetization issue in GT7 currently and there likely won't be again. You can buy optional credits but it's actually much smarter to just earn them in-game.
0:01 - It's only fully featured if you're connected to the internet all the time and shows off ray tracing if you're viewing games on replay mode. So it's kinda more of a lie more than anything worth praising here.😑
@@TheBean87 Weird Sophy was kept off PS4 and no VR for PS4 or 120FPS and VRR... GT7 even has less visual details and different track intro scenes compared to PS5. It looks like PS4 is actually not holding GT7 back. Who knew? Obviously not DF, but they didn't mention GT7 on PS4 much here, so maybe they're starting to get the hint?
@@TheBean87 i think he is acting a bit like a fanboy but it isn't really the same though. There doesn't need to be parity between ps4 and ps5 version of the game. While there needs to be parity on series S and X. Also the reason why they are not releasing Balders gate 3 on xbox for now. Because they have problems wiht the series S
I'm not into racing games usually, but GT7 is fantastic. There's something so relaxing and classy about the experience. It really helps you appreciate the design and engineering that goes into making these vehicles.
I think it the same reason I love Japanese motorcycles, they actually seem to care about the quality of their work. Maybe it's not perfect, but they always keep trying to improve things.. forever.
Why is Chace View set to Far in Gran Turismo 7 when it should have been set to Near in Gran Turismo Sport? There is a big difference in appearance between Near and Far for Chace View.
I had read somewhere to get 120Hz on the PSVR2 , is you must turn off the 120hz mode within the system preferences that supports external screens, and boot Gt7 , and then select 120hz in GT with the headset on..... A convoluted approach , for sure... But be interesting to see if this does allow 120hz on the PSVR2
I play on a 120hz qled tv. I have a fanatec csl and a omega stand. The game has never looked and played better. I plan on getting the vr2 when they come up off the price some also. Waiting patiently.
Anyone else notice lack of rubber being laid down on tracks by cars during tight turning and lack of burnout smoke… it really breaks immersion to me, not sure if it was always like this or what but is never talked about
@@jisjis87 curious why that is.. I know GT focuses on sim, but trust me, doing a burn out even simulation, would be lots of smoke and rubber laid down. In this it’s nearly non existent. I wonder , pretty sure particle effects affect cpu, so maybe purposely cutting them back to do other things like 120hz and VR? It’s a shame cause it just feels so much more grounded when those effects are included (like Forza or even Grid) .. yes they are more arcade but those effects happen a lot in simulation too
@@dinkomalinko8585probably just their engine and pipeline. It’s why GT has had issue with engine sounds for a long time because the engine isn’t capable of proofing more authentic changes. Also why we never really saw weather until the updated engine in Sports and even in 7, is sparsely used. Originally was never made with that in mind.
I wonder which gives less input lag? Non VRR 120 fps or VRR? As with VRR basically we are running as if it is non "vsynced" thus no additional double or triple buffers to add onto the input lag and is running basically raw. While 120 fps is twice or even more responsive then 60 fps variant but is it faster in input response then VRR variant? I'm currently playing in 120 fps mode but if the VRR variant is identical or even faster then 120 fps variant... I'd gladly go with more fidelity and even more responsive input...
It's a bit disappointing no updates to VR. I'm new to PSVR2 and I've been fairly ill this year so wearing the headset typically makes me feel sick very quickly in games like this. Maybe I'm not putting it on properly but the headset leaves an indent on my forehead and eyes from prolonged use lol and the pressure is too much. If I try loosening it a little though I can't see through it as clear so either way I try it isn't the perfect solution. Pretty frustrating to be honest, but unless I end up getting well again I don't know if I'll be able to play too many motion sick games. I don't get sick at all playing for example the Drum Rock or Ragnarock games but I still suffer the head pressure problems and it even sometimes makes my eyes bloodshot lol. I swear PSVR2 will be the death of me.
Motion sickness is just something that many people will get when playing games like Gran Turismo in VR where your eyes experience acceleration that your body does not. The head pressure thing may be solvable with aftermarket foam inserts? Agreed though once VR is lighter so it puts less pressure on the head it will be a lot more accessible.
That's thing about VR: it's not for everyone. It's kinda like rollercoaster as some people can't support any ride while others can do it again and again
@@azhp42069 I tried with a beanie hat on last night just to have a layer of padding around my head to rest it on. It also allowed me to put the screen a little further away which alleviated some pressure around my eyes but for some reason overall having the thing on my head just applies so much pressure over time that I'm still feeling it now over 12 hours later and felt it all through the night trying to sleep. I was only using it for around 2 hours and I'd wear it looser if I could but that just makes it lose all focus and not stay in place. The screen never seems as clear as I would like either, but according to eye tests my eyesight is fine, maybe I just have to accept that it will never look as sharp as my LG OLED TV.
It really feels like 2023 could be strong year for solid updates for gt7, forza motorsport will struggle to even have chance to compete now, and what seen from trailers dosen’t look good for next forza motorsport, my biggest grip is the poor car models,
I’m confused, I’ve got a non vrr 4K60fps panel that allows 1080p120. My question I’m running the game in 4K60fps mode without VRR and I’m facing weird frame rates drops during actual race. But with VRR DF points out the 4K mode runs at 60-90fps meanwhile mine without VrR drops below 60. Can someone explain.
GT7 on the VR2 is literally competing with the Varjo XR3 which is not even available to public consumers yet unless you enrol in their BS subscription not only that but that headset costs a whopping $7 Gs (you can get 3 4090s for that price). And people are saying the VR2 is "overpriced" when TWD S&S Ch 1 runs better (locked 90 fps) than on PCVR let alone the Quest 2 trash making the Quest 2 version look like a ps1 game by comparison. If this and TWD S&S Ch 2 is the kind of VR benchmark calibre we get this early on in the VR2's life imagine 3-5 years from now how 1st party and even 3rd party games will be. Skybox feel like a 1st party studio based on the quality they produced so far on the VR2
Ray tracing isn’t an option during races anyways. Even at 60hz in resolution mode, ray tracing is only active during the cutscenes/photo editor and during replays, but it is not enabled during active races. So you’re not even losing Ray tracing in game if you turn on the 120hz modes, unless you really care about having it during the replays.
This is all great and all but when are they going to replace all the 2d cardboard trees with actual 2023 fully rendered assets ? The 2004 World of Warcraft graphics are starting to get old real quick.
Was the yellow Supra being driven via directional keys? Seems there was no finesse to the steering - either locked left or locked right :P Lots of 'tapping' to steer instead of a nice smooth transition like I'm used to seeing.
So with GT7 we get tons of tracks, hundreds of cars, VR version and 120 frames. What an amazing work by PD. What a jump from the PS4 to the PS5.
"tons of tracks and hundreds of cars" has been par for over a decade AAA driving games (GT and Forza, etc). VR is only able because Sony decided togive it another try. Every major PC racer has VR as well (Race Room, iRacing, Auto Corsetta or whatevr it's called, etc). 120fps is defintely cool though, although Forza 8 will most likely end up having it as well after a few upfdates after release. What Polyphony needs to focus on is user experience/ "fun factor," which is somewhat lacking.
GT7 is a pathetic excuse for a GT game, the single player experience is one of the worst out of the entire series.
But the jaggies “lol”.
@@originalityisdead.9513 I'd argue perhaps GT6 was worse. But yeah, the single player part of GT7 is quite bad.
@smokebomb.exe yea for a casual like me the car unlocking system is very stingy. All the cars look beautiful but you can spend countless hours trying to get them or pay literal hundreds of dollars for like 1 car. And yea the fun factor is lacking - im not drawn to the 20 lap or hour long races. The great technology is there and thats awesome to see. The music rally is certainly a half-baked attempt at an arcade experience
Playing GT7 in VR with a Logitech G Pro wheel has been one of the best gaming experiences I’ve ever had.
It is too bad that so few will buy a Playstation 5, Playstation Plus and Playstation VR 2 only for Gran Turismo 7. Maybe the new Armored Core will have PSVR support?
Lol nobody is interested about vr
@@carl021 lol yes we are
@@carl021lot of people is
Same here - using a thrustmaster t-gt2 in VR is just phenomenal
Glad you covered this update. The resolution mode with 120fps and VRR is definitely my favorite way to go. Sticks around 80-90fps a good amount of the time and looks/feels great!
How are you getting this to work? It does not look like 4K at all for me. I have a Sony 120hz 4k VRR tv. 120hz resolution and frame rate look the same.
@@AMGmeister me2 bro. LG C2 and game just doesn't look good.
Do you only lose Ray-Tracing in the replay? Does it change car reflection quality in the menu and cafe?
I'm amazed Sony didn't target every major retailer, or gamestop, and let the public try GT7 in VR.
The thing is the first tries it makes you sick. I needed a week to adjust. You really have to want it and believe in it 💟
@@eSKAone- speak for yourself. It was awesome at first try for me.
im still going fingers crossed that this is still just a soft launch of the vr2 since it released in february, hoping to see a lot more of it later on, especially during the holidays
@skooterboots I was thinking the same thing. It seems like they are building a library for a Holiday push and potential price cut later in the year. It wouldn't surprise me if they also had some big Holiday games, seeing as they have lots of games rumored to be in development, with VR modes, like Twisted Metal and Wipeout, and then there's the possibility of Half Life Alyx coming to the sytstem
I don’t think PS VR2 is sold at retailers over here in the Netherlands. So far Sony exclusive so I could see that retailers wouldn’t even want to support such a campaign.
Playing this game with the Psvr2 is just a blast. I didn’t even like racing games before but now it’s one of my absolute favourite experiences.
Do you play with a wheel?
Man i really didnt know what to expect when I bought the psvr2… never even used vr before that. The closest i got to it was with my 3ds lol. But luckily i already owned this game, so when i booted it up with the headset, my mind was BLOWN. I enjoyed every minute of it. This is an amazing vr game that everyone should at least try out.
I'd like to thank Polyphony for the free VR update. It's geniunely phenomenal.
It should be free anyway 😂
@@TRX25EX “If you’re good at something, never do it for free”
@@LOSTBHOY88 How you gonna sell PSVR 2 then? People want content not just a headset, it's exact same game except running in VR why would them charge you more for it? 🤣
@@TRX25EX the real answer is: The cost of development time, however, I'm fairly certain they did they math. I'm 100% sure the VR update sold copies. Hell, I bought it.
It's awesome.
@@Receipt What cost? Assetto Corsa works on PC with 4K + Tripple screen + VR + Oculus VR while costing half of GT7 price..... Stop giving Sony more reasons to charge us
Unlocked framerate with full 4K is so sick. Well done Polyphony.
did you watch the video? its 1080p not 4k dude
@@xecob With VRR turned on, it’s 4K with the “resolution + 120fps”mode selected
@@xecobdid you even watch the video? It’s full 2160p if you have a VRR display with it enabled in resolution 120fps mode
@@xecob Wrong. See 06:43
I’m playing it now. And mines showing 1080p. I can’t get it to run @ 4k
Fucking insane! They actually did it! I haven’t even started the video yet because I’m so excited.
We've come a long way since the 20 hz of gran turismo 5
Absolutely love playing this game in PSVR2 with the Thrustmaster Gt2 wheel and pedal set. I do own a 120hz LG C1 OLED tv, but I won’t ever see the benefits of this update, as I have no intention of ever playing the game again in 2d flat screen mode.
Same here, i can't go back to playing this game or any racing game for that matter on a flatscreen after playing GT7 on the PS VR2
Same it feels like the defacto racing experience with the VR2 and setup is so easy it's just like why not
GT7 on PSVR2 made me way less hyped for the new Forza, I don't know if I can go back to flat screen racing games 🤣
@@xilonqmb Yup feeling the same. Without vr support the next Froza is dead to me. It’s that simple.
I was never really interested in driving games because playing on a flat screen didn’t provide an immersive experience, no matter how nice your wheel and pedal setup was.
Psvr2 and GT7 definitely changed that. Best gaming experience I’ve likely ever had.
Can't wait to try it out in VR 😍
You will love it.
just another 500 bucks
PSVR2 with GT7 is phenomenal. Especially if you already like GT7. It blows away my LG C2.
@@brunoutechkaheeros1182 cheaper then you're phone
@@brunoutechkaheeros1182 already got it worth every penny 🛐
Thank you so much for this analysis! They could've made these 4 options more clear to the end user, especially the difference in pixel count between the resolution mode with or without VRR.
Fantastic work Olie! I have high hopes that we see a 120fps mode for PSVR2 down the track considering the continual work Polyphony are putting into the title. Great to see.
Does the psvr 2 have that refresh rate?
@ronaldkasteel3459
Yes, the PSVR2 is 90-120hz.
But I highly doubt a high graphics game like this would ever be able to reach that.
As is, GT7 runs at 60fps in VR, reprojected up to a higher fps, which causes ghosting on moving objects.
It's not terrible, but it's there. Same with Horizon Call of the Mountain.
Reprojected fps gives you the smooth look you need in VR, but due to the blurring ghosting effect things don't look as sharp as it would when running at a native hertz.
So if GT7 can't even reach 90fps in VR, there's no way it could reach 120fps.
Even though im not a person that can currently appreciate these modes, its incredible that they exist and will be useful in the future. Playing your favorite games with enough frame-rate improvements paired with vrr is definetly a reason to play them again.
I've beeb playing GT7 almost every day since launch, and this has been my favorite update yet. It was so immediately noticeable. So much smoother, and it might be my imagination, but I think even the menu load screens are faster. It is just beautiful.
That being said, I wish it would go back to ray tracing for replays and other game modes. The actual racing is great at 120 fps, but I want it to be beautiful also when I'm not driving.
Been waiting for this 👍🏻
Framerate 120Hz:
1260p / 120fps
Resolution 120Hz:
1440p / 110 - 120fps
Framerate 120Hz + VRR:
1440p / 110 - 120fps
Resolution 120Hz + VRR:
4k / 70 - 120 fps
and from a driver perspective in pure terms of lap times, on a time trial has anyone tried already which one deliver best results ?
If Resolution 120HZ + VRR is 4K, something is different than the 60HZ modes as it is noticeably more aliased and pixelated. Not buying a one-for-one full 4k at 120Hz, no matter what setting. I have since switched to 60 HZ as it is a much cleaner image.
@@kdm7820that's what I'm tryna tell people! It's not true 2160p on any 120hz setting. 1440p is absolute max. People spreading a bunch of bs around. 120hz is nice for the motion smoothness but it's not worth the resolution drop at all imo.
Audio volume is quite low (compared to almost every other YT video).
Great video. Only complaint is no toggle for RT in replays.
I have just been playing the port of Daytona USA on my PS3 at 1080p 60fps. It's hugely entertaining.
Glad at least one other person plays that.
I’m playing it too!
Gran Turismo is such a vibe. Forza 8 is DOA.
Great video as always (even if the quality of the driving makes me want to cry)! I'm really enjoying the resolution + 120hz + VRR mode, I think it's a great compromise between visual quality and framerate as the bump to the fidelity of motion is appreciable. While I can live without ray traced replays, it would be cool if they gave you an explicit toggle for that in each mode.
So why not the frame rate mode at 120Hz with vrr? What's the difference between them?
Oh yea, that Resolution+VRR mode is gonna be a dope upgrade
Might have to pick up this game finally have loved Gran Turismo games for a long time
Great video! GT7 is a masterpiece, bar the in game economy/rewards system
Haven’t played GT seriously since GT3. I’m so tempted with this 120 mode though!
Good vid and annoyingly enough it makes me want a VRR monitor that much more. Did you notice if VRR 120 Resolution mode also retains motion blur?
Now Forza needs to add 120hz
😂 you ain’t lying
👍🏻
Forza has much bigger things to take care of first than 120FPS....like, proper steering wheel support, proper rank based multiplayer implementation, more realistic driving model and so on....these are some of the reasons why FM7 got annihilated by GT sports in 2017
Forza first need to be a real car sim. Right now at world champions they are the only car sim using controller not wheels to match 😅
They'll just have to delay it again all good Xbox dudes don't mind 😂
Another fantastic video Oliver! 😊
I really liked this game when I first picked it up going through the cafe was awesome but fuck me in PSVR 2 it's blown me away
been looking forward to this video
They should’ve at least added an in game ray tracing mode with lower resolution at 60fps with VRR enabled.
With how great developer PD is I would kill for an open world Gran Turismo "Forza Horizon" like game 🥺😭
u forgot to mention they also improved the reprojection by half in VR, i cant prove it but i see the REPROJECTION is half improved than before
esspecially when u look the cars besides you.. u will see some ghosting but its less distracting now
I’ve said this in the past, ray tracing and resolution choices are nice additions, but an e-sports minded individual will take greater frames at a little bit lower resolution. It’s the old adage of “frames win games”. If you’re a content creator then resolution may be for you, but if you’re a competitive player, you want smooth gameplay.
so you suggest 1440p resolution mode , with 120fps almost steady as this video suggest but with no VRR enabled to get best racing performance ?
Impressive. You could use BFI over VRR at 120hz and get an incredible picture in motion without too many stutters. For a console that's impressive
I have noticed a bug when trying to use 120hz and VRR with my 1440p hdmi 2.1 monitor. With the system set to 1440p, if I enable 120hz in game the system output changes to 1080p, confirmed by backing out of the game and going to the display info page in system settings
have you tried restarting the PS5?
In resolution mode?
@@VariantAEC yes resolution mode selected.
@@vincevirtua did not try this, will give it an attempt good idea
@@vincevirtua Just figured id let you know restarting didnt change much. With the system set to 1440p and 120hz/VRR set to automatic, when I load the game with 120hz resolution mode enabled in game the screen goes black for a second then comes back, and if I back out of the game and go to video output information in the system settings it says it is outputting 1080p vrr even though the resolution setting is still 1440p. If I quit the game it goes back to 1440p output which leads me to believe it is game specific bug.
Now we need a Resolution + VRR + ray-tracing mode and also the ability to fully unlock everything on the PSVR 2 ... because those will be the best modes to use on the upcoming PS5 pro and later, on the PS6.
I am hoping a future update could include VR2 at native 90 FPS.
I play it everyday in VR since PSVR2's launch. It's clearly smoother when looking for example out the side window in motion. It's minimum 90 fps now in my opinion 💟
The game is 5000 times better after this patch than it was before this patch. Just because they finally fixed the physics . Now it's actually worth playing which is hasn't been since not long after launch.
Looks like HDR is turned off when you showed TV OSD on 120hz mode. Is that something that does not work?
HDR does work, i'v got mine running at 3840x2160 HDR, UHD, VRR in the 120hz mode but have chosen the ray tracing mode over the frame rate mode as the frame rate mode seems to be alot more blurry in places, he's using a samsung tv as am i with the same osd game bar so i'm not sure why he hasn't got the hdr enabled, maybe his tv doesn't support it or there's a reason why he's got it turned off, but it does work, maybe @Digital Foundry or someone can explain more why it's off in this video.
Oh, I see! Thanks a lot for the answer
While PS5's VRR implementation is lackluster compared to Xbox - Sony did a good job of taking real advantage of it in games - they simply unlock the framerate for you.
I only hope Microsoft is up for a response with unlocked 60+ fps Forza Motorsport with ray traced reflections. At least Turn 10 promised RT+60 fps+4K on Series X
i don't think that will native 4k i don't like devs saying 4k when that could mean anything
Upscaled 4K is fine
On VR, it's hands down the best sim out there. PSVR2 is far ahead of its competitors
Despite my misgivings with Polyphony and Sony, I LOVE the ideas of developers taking advantage of vrr to increase the fidelity of their games while budgeting the frame rate. We see this sometimes with some games locking to 40fps in a 120hz container, but the game literally detecting the use of vrr in order to balance the quality vs frame rate on a deeper level is something I hope to see as being the future of games and vrr tech.
Finally, I was waiting for this
Why not any city courses. Rome, London, Monte Carlo coast, etc those are missing
Ps5 is running laps around series x..
Well my GT7 experience as a new player is rubbish. It crashes on the reward screen after every race, and it switches TV modes contsantly between each area (world map, pre-race, race, replay, reward, world map etc), giving me a blank screen..sometimes that takes so long at the start of races that the race starts before the game engine actually fixes on a screen mode and displays any picture. Awful so far.
I hope the developers can improve anti-aliasing in the 120hz modes. They look rough, especially when compared to Grid Legends running in its 120hz mode, which looks much cleaner by comparison.
Great video, thank you!
Those jaggies are rough on 120 hz
Not really anything most normal people will be looking out for in a fast moving racing sim!
@@vincevirtua fair enough but if im taking a visual hit on a racing game its gonna be for VR. Flat screen better have the best graphics ive ever seen 😂😂
Does anyone know if they fixed the monetization issues that everyone was complaining about at launch?
That was something mostly started by xbox fanboys. Yet the mtx in forza horizon 5 are much worse then on gt7. I played both. Gt7 gives you a fair amount of credits per race. You can earn up to 1.7 million credits per hour.
@@ElephantTrap Um, No. That was a very real problem that was stated by all GT Veterans. Please check out r/GranTurismo for the community reaction and ground reality.
There were literally no monetization issues. They nerfed some payouts then changed them back and then some within a month I think it was. The big payout races earn you 1.5 million credits an hour roughly. It's very easy to buy all the cars you want.
@@dhivydhimanth1960
As the others have stated here, there is no monetization issue in GT7 currently and there likely won't be again. You can buy optional credits but it's actually much smarter to just earn them in-game.
Monetisation has never been an issue in this game.
0:01 - It's only fully featured if you're connected to the internet all the time and shows off ray tracing if you're viewing games on replay mode. So it's kinda more of a lie more than anything worth praising here.😑
Bring back *DriveClub!!* 😭
Indeed imagine a 60FPS 4K version of Driveclub with in-game RT? Sounds doable.
Graphics are good and all, but my man is an absolute menace in that yellow Supra!
So much salty pc and xbots fanboys in here lol
I agree
Flesh light in vr is incredible.
The best part of GT7? No Xbox Series S to hold it back!
Just the ps4… or did you forget that part?
@@TheBean87 We beleave in generashuns
@@TheBean87
Weird Sophy was kept off PS4 and no VR for PS4 or 120FPS and VRR... GT7 even has less visual details and different track intro scenes compared to PS5.
It looks like PS4 is actually not holding GT7 back.
Who knew? Obviously not DF, but they didn't mention GT7 on PS4 much here, so maybe they're starting to get the hint?
@@TheBean87 i think he is acting a bit like a fanboy but it isn't really the same though. There doesn't need to be parity between ps4 and ps5 version of the game. While there needs to be parity on series S and X. Also the reason why they are not releasing Balders gate 3 on xbox for now. Because they have problems wiht the series S
I'm not into racing games usually, but GT7 is fantastic. There's something so relaxing and classy about the experience. It really helps you appreciate the design and engineering that goes into making these vehicles.
On another note, I really hope RE4 remake gets a VRR patch.
I think it the same reason I love Japanese motorcycles, they actually seem to care about the quality of their work. Maybe it's not perfect, but they always keep trying to improve things.. forever.
Love how you get a full 4k mode. A full 120fps mode. And modes in between lol
This update came at a perfect time with the game going on sale for £35. Haven't put it down & probably won't till Spider Man 2.
The thing thay annoys the hell out of me is the exaggerated sun glare and the pavement looks so dull
Why is Chace View set to Far in Gran Turismo 7 when it should have been set to Near in Gran Turismo Sport?
There is a big difference in appearance between Near and Far for Chace View.
So is there no VRR toggle in game? You just need to make sure you have it enabled in your system and TV settings?
I had read somewhere to get 120Hz on the PSVR2 , is you must turn off the 120hz mode within the system preferences that supports external screens, and boot Gt7 , and then select 120hz in GT with the headset on.....
A convoluted approach , for sure... But be interesting to see if this does allow 120hz on the PSVR2
Well, here it is. Pretty dick update that should be the norm for 1st party moving forward, PSVR2 at 80-90hz would be gravy
I play on a 120hz qled tv. I have a fanatec csl and a omega stand. The game has never looked and played better. I plan on getting the vr2 when they come up off the price some also. Waiting patiently.
Don't wait! what if they raise the price? Something to think about. 🤔 😁
Anyone else notice lack of rubber being laid down on tracks by cars during tight turning and lack of burnout smoke… it really breaks immersion to me, not sure if it was always like this or what but is never talked about
It's always been that way in GT games.
@@jisjis87 curious why that is.. I know GT focuses on sim, but trust me, doing a burn out even simulation, would be lots of smoke and rubber laid down. In this it’s nearly non existent. I wonder , pretty sure particle effects affect cpu, so maybe purposely cutting them back to do other things like 120hz and VR? It’s a shame cause it just feels so much more grounded when those effects are included (like Forza or even Grid) .. yes they are more arcade but those effects happen a lot in simulation too
@@dinkomalinko8585 Get the tyres hot and there will be plenty of smoke.
@@dinkomalinko8585probably just their engine and pipeline.
It’s why GT has had issue with engine sounds for a long time because the engine isn’t capable of proofing more authentic changes.
Also why we never really saw weather until the updated engine in Sports and even in 7, is sparsely used. Originally was never made with that in mind.
TH-cam is still stuck at 60fps...
That's an awfully purty Porsche 904 in the thumbnail.
I wonder which gives less input lag? Non VRR 120 fps or VRR? As with VRR basically we are running as if it is non "vsynced" thus no additional double or triple buffers to add onto the input lag and is running basically raw.
While 120 fps is twice or even more responsive then 60 fps variant but is it faster in input response then VRR variant?
I'm currently playing in 120 fps mode but if the VRR variant is identical or even faster then 120 fps variant... I'd gladly go with more fidelity and even more responsive input...
Any stop playing this on PSVR2, it’s insane how much more enjoyable it is
Looking at a hdmi output on TH-cam looks OK.... Don't think you get the same quality with the headset!! Just a warning ⚠
It's a bit disappointing no updates to VR. I'm new to PSVR2 and I've been fairly ill this year so wearing the headset typically makes me feel sick very quickly in games like this. Maybe I'm not putting it on properly but the headset leaves an indent on my forehead and eyes from prolonged use lol and the pressure is too much. If I try loosening it a little though I can't see through it as clear so either way I try it isn't the perfect solution. Pretty frustrating to be honest, but unless I end up getting well again I don't know if I'll be able to play too many motion sick games. I don't get sick at all playing for example the Drum Rock or Ragnarock games but I still suffer the head pressure problems and it even sometimes makes my eyes bloodshot lol. I swear PSVR2 will be the death of me.
Motion sickness is just something that many people will get when playing games like Gran Turismo in VR where your eyes experience acceleration that your body does not. The head pressure thing may be solvable with aftermarket foam inserts? Agreed though once VR is lighter so it puts less pressure on the head it will be a lot more accessible.
That's thing about VR: it's not for everyone. It's kinda like rollercoaster as some people can't support any ride while others can do it again and again
@@azhp42069 I tried with a beanie hat on last night just to have a layer of padding around my head to rest it on. It also allowed me to put the screen a little further away which alleviated some pressure around my eyes but for some reason overall having the thing on my head just applies so much pressure over time that I'm still feeling it now over 12 hours later and felt it all through the night trying to sleep. I was only using it for around 2 hours and I'd wear it looser if I could but that just makes it lose all focus and not stay in place. The screen never seems as clear as I would like either, but according to eye tests my eyesight is fine, maybe I just have to accept that it will never look as sharp as my LG OLED TV.
im curious why they opted out ray tracing with res 120hz vrr. if it basically function as a unlocked res mode, why not keep ray tracing
This excellent!!
It really feels like 2023 could be strong year for solid updates for gt7, forza motorsport will struggle to even have chance to compete now, and what seen from trailers dosen’t look good for next forza motorsport, my biggest grip is the poor car models,
They should lock the replays at 60fps. Or at least we could have the option... no ?
I’m confused, I’ve got a non vrr 4K60fps panel that allows 1080p120. My question I’m running the game in 4K60fps mode without VRR and I’m facing weird frame rates drops during actual race. But with VRR DF points out the 4K mode runs at 60-90fps meanwhile mine without VrR drops below 60. Can someone explain.
i like playing this game with vr
How much credits did it cost to repair the car ? ❤ for the review ?
Anyone else game file size 122.5GB now?
I am never at the back of "The Grid"... ever 👍 seriousy 👀no troll... 😈
8:19 lol
So much 😭 omg it’s fine.
Do what you want to it I’m still gonna fall asleep playing it
If i set the PS5 to 1440p, and play with VRR 120 resolution mode. Will it just downscale from 4k?
PS5 is the best box 😉
I haven't played GT7 in like 9 months (on PS4 Pro.) Anything they've added that I should come back for?
PS5, it’s time to upgrade 2+ years later……… Get with the times
@@tears2040 What a useless comment. Next time you're going to make a post like this, hold off.
@@nicodimus2222 Time to upgrade , PS5 is a generational leap over PS4 Pro. Only thing useless is your Blind 👨🦯
Impressive
GT7 on the VR2 is literally competing with the Varjo XR3 which is not even available to public consumers yet unless you enrol in their BS subscription not only that but that headset costs a whopping $7 Gs (you can get 3 4090s for that price). And people are saying the VR2 is "overpriced" when TWD S&S Ch 1 runs better (locked 90 fps) than on PCVR let alone the Quest 2 trash making the Quest 2 version look like a ps1 game by comparison.
If this and TWD S&S Ch 2 is the kind of VR benchmark calibre we get this early on in the VR2's life imagine 3-5 years from now how 1st party and even 3rd party games will be. Skybox feel like a 1st party studio based on the quality they produced so far on the VR2
I don’t think the game is running at just 60fps on vr
Love that Sony has been adding these modes and unlocking FPS. Getting ready for the PS5 Pro ;)
If you could just play it offline...
Ray tracing isn’t an option during races anyways. Even at 60hz in resolution mode, ray tracing is only active during the cutscenes/photo editor and during replays, but it is not enabled during active races. So you’re not even losing Ray tracing in game if you turn on the 120hz modes, unless you really care about having it during the replays.
Still no ultrawide support?
I'm really interested to see what Turn 10 has to offer later this year. Hopefully it's worth the wait or I will definitely be getting a PS5.
Dude. This game in VR is addictive, immersive, amazing and unbeatable on consoles.
Offline Storymode would be so much better than 120fps in my opinion.
Get with the times, don't tell me you don't connect your Playstation with the internet in 2023
This is all great and all but when are they going to replace all the 2d cardboard trees with actual 2023 fully rendered assets ? The 2004 World of Warcraft graphics are starting to get old real quick.
Was the yellow Supra being driven via directional keys? Seems there was no finesse to the steering - either locked left or locked right :P Lots of 'tapping' to steer instead of a nice smooth transition like I'm used to seeing.