And that just goes to show you that in the last erra we really were at a points where it was the games that were the bottleneck, not the hardware. World size, density, gameplay, npc interactions, everything is limited by the programmers, not the hardware. Next gen pushed a new raytracing feature and sealed in the ability for some higher framerates (something pc has been doing for ages now) and bump the resolutions, but over all we wont see any difference in world sizes, npc activities, story, gameplay, ect.
PS4 / PS4 PRO versions of the game are impressive considering targeted hardware. It is great to see how much effort went into the PS5 version as well, Guerilla did an amazing job overall. I love first game and gonna have a blast playing Forbidden West on my PS5.
It's down to diminishing returns in improvements to visual fidelity. These type of cross then games weren't possible even coming from 7th to 8th gen. The different between ps3 and ps4 version of the same game would just be immediately visible without needing any kind of comparison. Then another gen back and "cross gen" games were practically different versions of the game. You simply could not run ps3 games on a ps2.
@@AVerySillySausage that’s because the HW in a PS2 and PS3 are radically different . It’s really simple to scale graphics between the PS4 and 5 because there basically off the shelf PC’s .
Choosing between fidelity and performance mode was borderline heart breaking today. Have been back and forth, but have finally settled on performance. I didn't think there would be much of a difference in detail but, it really is noticeable.
Exactly the same situation here lol, i also in the end went for performance, ive taken screenshots in both modes and noticed no difference at all in quality yet 60 is just to nice to pass up.
a little cool thing ive read... is that the developers artificially made the load screens on ps5 longer... so you have a chance to read the 'quick tips' ... they state you can turn them off.. have have the level load in 4 to 5 secs... well done Guerrilla (for the choice, even) p.s. Great showing D.F. enjoyed this breakdown.
*The art direction helps the PS4/Pro versions look pretty great* helped by good world design, but the raw density and coverage is so much better on PS5. Really fills out the environments for exploration.
That's why I keep telling people stop complaining that PS5 is "being held back." No, the _PS4_ version is held back. It's clearly the inferior version and that's OK. Let our PS brothers be able to seamlessly transition in.
@@dapperfan44 idk man, you can't really deny it. Can you imagine an Horizon Forbidden West or a God of War Ragnarök developed exclusively for PS5? Really hope GoW will be the last cross-gen first-party title
@@barioneaccidioso3804 Yes I can. It'll be the relative graphical equivalent to the following launch titles: Summoner - PS2 Resistance: Fall of Man - PS3 Killzone 4: Shadow Fall - PS4 All three of the above titles I named paled in comparison to the later games the system would see. E.G. the following: God of War 2 - PS2 Last of Us - PS3 Ghosts of Tsushima - PS4 And why is that? Because no one, and I mean no one, can truly fully take advantage of hardware at launch. It's not humanly possible. When you've spent more time with a system and you've learned it's ins and outs, you can pull off some truly amazing feats on the system. Some other late console cycle games I admire are games like Ristar on Genesis (just look at all the colors and unique animations), the Spyro series on PS1 (awesome draw distance technique), and this is more mid cycle but Jak 2 on PS2. We'll start seeing the true power of PS5 within the last two to three years of the console.
When you jump from one system to another you can clearly see a difference but the ps4 version looks so good, if you have no comparaison you will never notice the difference. Great work done here.
True, when you don't have anything better to compare it to, you don't notice or care about the differences. But once you see how good the game looks on newer consoles, it kinda bugs you because you know you're not getting the best version of the game and it doesn't look as good anymore. But the ps4 version is still great looking nonetheless. I'm playing it on ps5 & I'm probably never going back to the ps4 again after experiencing what 4k & 60 fps feels like with these next-gen games. I love my ps4 and it has served me well for many years but I'm moving on now. I hope everyone can buy a ps5 soon but these ps5 shortages are crazy right now.
Such high quality comparison videos like this in 60 fps make Last Gen version's 30 fps framerate always seem better and more smooth than it actually is. PS4 versions are still sick though. Now with the patched peformance mode the best way is to play the game in 60 fps on the PS5 and it's a difference to the PS4, it's way more smooth with a much cleaner look with more details and less pop in and better lighting. For others it's day and night.
I'm so excited for release tomorrow. I bought a 65inch Oled a couple months ago and played HZD with HDR on it and I was blown away. I want to see this game in all its beautiful glory
@@urekmazino6800 LG has had some nice deals on OLED TVs lately (them really being the leader with Sony then being the upgrade option.) I’ve definitely been tempted (especially with CES being the standard time to transition to the new year of TVs where deals likely won’t get better than that time for the year [last year’s model usually being rather comparable] outside of random/one-off deals.) Meanwhile, Quantum dot OLED (QD-OLED) for a better light efficient OLED and/or mini/micro-LED LCD for LCD to have dimming zones closer to per-pixel lighting (so the two are advancing towards the primary benefit of the other) is now the new carrot to wait for. Now might be a sweet spot where these new forms of tech are pricy and OLED is now reasonably established to be more affordable (also then having better burn-in protection & brighter output than before) as long as you have a space where you can control the lighting as OLED can be a fair amount dimmer than LCD (reducing the light in the room/area then makes that not matter much, if at all.)
Wonderful breakdown, guys. Glad to see the people on PS4 Pro and PS4 will still have a great time with a beautiful game. I have to agree that it is a really interesting "curated" trimming of detail and other settings. I'm sure it was a ton of work for the folks at Guerilla Games and it sure paid off.
From this i believe a PS4 user can enjoy the game just fine without feeling his having a completely different experience. So the curating was done successfully.
I would expected the pop in to change somewhat. Guerilla provides excellent post launch support and I am sure that within the first year of the release they can optimize the engine even better.
That's to be expected. The PS4 pre-recorded footage is of the PS5 render and then undergone compression so there will be some minor artefacting, as opposed to a real time crisp tender on PS5.
A small interesting comparison could be also added between PS5 version vs PS4 version running on PS5 vs PS4 version running on PS4 pro with a SSD just to see the differences in loading time and pop in.
Loading times would be less for sure but without being a native ps5 app it will only do so much. As for the pop in, that is a hardware limitation so it depends if they allowed the game to scale up on ps5 with a ps4 disc or if its locked in like some games. My guess is that since its a game on both systems it is locked in to ensure stability. Games like God of War was a ps4 game that got patched. A video test of that would be cool indeed.
@@JudgeFudge57 Correct, however if you insert it in a ps5 you can get the ps5 version for free so the case of ps4 ssd vs hdd males more sense in this case.
@@gamenation93 Yes but for the sake of comparaison it's simpler to use one console for both test cause the ps5 will run the ps4 pro code on the ps4 app meaning that it will have the exact same performance as running the game on ps4 pro with an sdd. Also, for ps4 games on ps5, it doesn't matter whether it's installed on the 5gb/s internal ssd or an external 530mb/s sata ssd. The game will load the same cause it's not optimized for an ssd anyway.
@@JudgeFudge57 Thats true. However the ps5 can still provide a more stable experience that the ps4 might not have been able to do such as hitting the ps4 intended frame target more reliably. Generally yes I agree but for a true safe test for rest its better without it.
Playing this on PS5 right now and it is gorgeous- but if I’d never seen this comparison I’d have no problem playing this on PS4 - they did an excellent job. It’s about 90 percent close to the PS5 version - the things they cut the average gamer would likely not notice.
Brilliant job on Guerilla game's part. The first one already looked amazing but I think they've outdone themselves here. I would be interested to see a video comparing the original HZD on base PS4 with Forbidden West on base hardware also. Take note CDPR, this is how you make a cross-gen title.
@@n.erdbeer Ehh NO, The complexity and fidelity of Horizon FW is way WAY higher than Cyberpunk. Are you kidding? A moss patch in Horizon FW has more polygons than a whole building in Cyberpunk. As buildings are straight lines and simplistic shapes. And that's only where it starts.
The only thing that bothers me is the pretty bad antialliasing on the Ps5's performance mode. Compared to the 4k 30 mode, and even the first game on ps4 pro, it looks very grainy.
@@ivandeliseo1538 official - the hotfix was updated earlier today: "Guerrilla Games has released a hotfix for its acclaimed role-playing game, which you can download and install now. All you need to do is restart the title a couple of times to grab the update and apply it." It won't show as a formal download/update, but you'll see the hotfix application.
For me it doesnt look like a true next gen Ps5 game. In Performance mode the trees and gras is shimmering and the whole picture looks grainy. I am so disappointed
Like Halo Infinite, it's a cross-gen game. Infinite had to accommodate a lowest common denominator spec of vanilla Xbox One. HFW has to accommodate a baseline PS4. No matter how awesome your scalability is, you are anchored to the technical fact that the core experience MUST run on baseline last gen -- which inherently compromises best case complexity and performance.
not impressed so far on my OLED LG C1. Turning the camera slowly especially palm trees in the distance look like 720p and no antialiasing. Looks really weird. I'm very surprised Digital Foundry mentioned nothing of this.
Yeah oled tvs pixel refresh rate actually makes games look worse sometimes. Performance mode on my LG OLED C9 looks horrible and the 30fps mode stutters so much is unplayable. Playing the 30 fps mode on my other older 4K LCD LG TV actually looks ALOT better which is… sad.
I have a SATA III SSD in my PS4 Pro and the asset loading isn't a problem in-game. There's no texture pop-in whatsoever beyond the in-engine geometry adjustment which is fixed. Loading is very fast too. I've been abusing fast travel. But there are slower loading textures on the menus, which would have to be a software based bottleneck.
Although I dont like any kind of exclusivity I have to admit: *optimising the game for only two (with PS4 Pro lets say 3) platforms seems to be much more manageable* than optimising such a AAA title on like 7+ platforms (like Cyberpunk)! So maybe this is one part of *the recipe for a great launch: focus on just one ecosystem* (here it's PlayStation, CP2077 should have been PC only at first, Forza on XBox ...) and bring the other platforms a year or so later! This way each system gets a focus on launch and combines the resources of a dev team!
I wish they would have the default comparison as PS5 vs PS4(og). I think that's what most people have and are interested. Cover PS4 Pro as well, for sure, but have OG PS4 up most of the time. Thanks a lot for these videos. These videos and the way you discuss graphics make me feel stupid, but also smart when I relay this info to my friends!
Anyone who can't spot the differences between ps4 and ps5 with just glimpses is blind or in denial. There is no comparison. Ps5 has significantly more memory for textures, higher resolution, and the cpu power for higher quality effects. If you are still on a ps4 now you are just in it for the game and not really hard up on the visuals. PS4Pro users are the ones who have spent additional money to improve visuals over the past several years while making their way to the ps5, and it is precisely why videos like these needs to be between the ps4pro and ps5 so we can judge if the visuals in games are at the level to make the financial jump now or can we wait?
Very impressive for running on such old hardware. I’m looking forward to them putting last-gen support to rest so they can fully focus on utilizing current gen!
@@entertainmentgaming8738 Astro's Playroom, Demon's Souls Remake, Destruction All Stars, Returnal and Rachet and Clank Rift Apart are the next-gen exclusives so far, then there's Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo as timed console exclusives for 12 months of course
.... Lol, "lucky"... it's been an investment, Guerrilla Games has been a Sony studio since 2004. There's a lot of hard-work, passion, know-how and commitment put in a connection between a studio and a company like this one. Same case of Naughty Dog, Santa Monica Studio, Polyphony Digital, and so many others.
@@davidmolnerjr3348 I'll take 30 hours of high quality memorable content over "live service" cash grabs every single time. But idk, that's just me 🤷♂️
this game most likely was being desingned for PS4 before PS5 was even born... but this is gonna be one of the last gems we are getting for sure, ragnarok will be tha last thing... so lets enjoy.
@@tynorstrom2761 No, COVID chip supply shortages are to blame. Sony are producing as many PS5 as possible. Series X is in the exact same situation but it’s a little easier to find one because they’re not as sought after. PC GPUs, laptops and phones are all also struggling with supply shortages at the moment.
Appreciate the coverage. I am a little let down that the "PS5 vs PS4 vs PS4 Pro" video was largely a PS5 vs PS4 Pro debate with the base model absent from all but a few comparisons. Was really looking forward to a deep dive into how the base system compared visually to the PS5 scene by scene.
I'm realy impressed how they made the game look on the 4 Pro! In a few occasions the lack of hero lighning made it even look better than the 5. Also the water is way too clear for the 5. Still, the lack of jet engine sound and way faster loading times will make it worth playing it on the 5 ;)
The comparisons between the systems is great but what should be commended is the fact that the game looks so beautiful and it can run on the lower spec hardware of the base PS4.
As a PC "Gamer" for the past ten years I always assumed a rather snobbish position against consoles. What drove me to build a PC in the first place was when i had gotten an Xbox One. I wanted a PS4 but they were nowhere to be found at the time. So I settled with the inferior product, albeit the more expensive one. So, with my next gen hopes and dreams intact, i rushed home with my new console and i just couldnt wait to be apart of it - the next generation of gaming. I bought Battlefield 4 top go with it to really feel and see it and... it was the most underwhelming "next gen" experience i think anyone could ever have. I was so disappointed at the feeble 720p resolution and the low frame rate, even Black flag was in 720p. So, I sold the Xbox and used the money to help build my first PC, it was a very trying experience but I never looked back. Then the PS5 became more readily available last week. I just got one last week, they were available and i had the money so i thought "why not?" and... wow. I was not expecting THAT level of performance. It truly feels next gen and somehow just blows my current PC out of the water.
I haven’t read all the comments but have anyone noticed if you buy the PS4 version and upgrade to the PS5 that you don’t have the option for Graphics Mode it’s not even a option
I think Guerilla games have done a fantastic job, to optimize this game for the 140 million playstation 4/5 owners out there. For someone like me, who ordered the ps4 version before getting a ps5, it's a god send. Other developers should take notes.
I know you prefer the 30 fps mode, but after trying it with motion blur off it’s extremely choppy. Can’t go back to 30 fps after being accustomed to 60+.
It looks awesome in my PS4 Pro and I didn't know such differences existed until I saw this video of the side-by-side comparison. Well done Digital Foundry. Well done Guerilla Games.
This game is a stunner on Ps5! I played the 1st 2 hours last night on my Samsung Q90T with Game motion plus. If you use that mode, it makes 30fps feel like 60 and I love it. If you own a Ps5 I'd say this game is an obligatory buy to see what your system is capable of. Incredible graphics!
At 22:52 I see that on PS5 the snow builds up on her outfit but not on PS4, something they didn't mention. Seems like one of the bigger differences. Amazing video. So fascinating and entertaining
Would be great if you guys could also do tests like this on PS4's and PS4 Pro's that have even basic SATA SSDs instead of the hard drives. I know it wouldn't magically make the games look better or load as fast as the PS5, but I do know when I did that to my PS4, things just became all the more snappier.
It blows me away that the people who built this game have gotten the PS4 version to look so damn close to the ps5 despite the fact the ps5 is an unimaginable amount quicker. Well done.
Sure but the PS4 is 1080p and the PS5 is 4k native (qualtiy mode), that is 8 times the amount of pixels to render AND it does it with far greater fidelity.
@@Danuxsy yeah I understand that but unless you were playing side by side you wouldn't notice most things. It's just a great looking game for the ps4 as well as ps5
I'm honestly disappointed in how the game looks on PS5 in performance mode. They really toned down the graphical details. Though, it's incredible how well they optimized it for last-gen.
I don't think they have toned down it so much. Bit still there are clear differences. It's the same case with Forza Horizon 5 where in performance mode looks very similar to the Xbox One X version. And this is probably the reason why the DF guys say in both cases that it's better to play it on the quality 30fps mode.
I been playing GOD of WAR on my pc for awhile now my gaming rig is pretty beefy get 80-110 fps 4K in God of war! Have a 3090 FE I picked up Forbidden West can’t play the game in high resolution mode game just gives me nausea 😔 can feel how low the frames up luckily performance mode is so much smoother! Game is pretty awesome definitely hope it doesn’t take too long to bring this game to pc!
I don’t know if it’s just me, but I would always favor higher framerate over resolution. To me it’s just graphically way more pleasing to the eye than 30 fps with a slight bump in clarity
@Transistor Jump well not to me it is. Personal preferences and always in the eye of the beholder. Probably also depends on viewing distance as well, but I play HFW at 60fps and just about any game at that frame rate whenever I can. That’s not to say it isn’t doing great things with a locked 30, I just find the extra clarity too marginal to overrule 60fps altogether.
I got so focused on details I was like "why is the ps4 version playing on half speed, was the game playing at 2x speed?" then I realized it's the whole thing that's half speed.
The introduction looks to be reworked with the day one patch… in DF’s original comparison video the intro scenes look like what you show in this video as the “patched” version…
even though ppl say a PS4 or PS4pro had crappy hardware , let me remind you on the VW Beetle , it was for sure not the most luxurious car , neither the fastest or had best fuel economy but what it did if was fit for the purpose it was designed for , and can still do - thats what the PS4 does and is still fit for the purpose it was designed for
Now i remember, guerilla made first Killzone game on ps2 and i my thought on that game was why no one told about this game. The graphic was more beautiful compared to other fps on that time on ps2. Who knew they make hzd/hfw right now.
The ps4 most likely held back ps5's true graphical potential, however we got a 60 FPS mode because of that. So this is fine I guess. It's like MGS5 on ps3-ps4, the later being only slightly better looking and higher res but was running on a smooth 60 fps.
I ordered this for standard PS4 and the visuals are still great. I'm glad they took the time to do the older gen justice, especially for us that are still playing on a 1080p TV.
So, play in resolution mode on PS5, got it. Might be the first title I don't steer towards performance mode for frame smoothness and fluidity of movement. A game this beautiful deserves resolution to be maxed out.
I can´t help to think the performance mode on PS5 just doesn't deliver for a PlayStation exklusive title like spider man and ratchet & clank (60 fps+ raytraced reflections) especially if i compare it with the image quality of horizon zero dawn pc version, dlss and 100+ fps on a 3080. i am sad to see a PlayStation exclusive title not being able to get a clean looking performance mode, sorry John, but it's arguable if this can be considered a slow paced game where 30fps work, let's say like death stranding (even that got a 60 fps mode). Here you have to traverse, platform, fight and shoot giant robots trying to kill you around every corner, which to be honest is a mager part of this game. And it's arguable if a faster framerate and lower input lag isn't beneficial in those scenarios. The hole situation just makes me want to sit it out until the PC port will arrive in a few years with DLss support and the granular level of detail can truly shine in a higher frame rate. Horizon zero dawn made me awe a lot more for what a leap it was at its release in comparison. i also think they introduced an extremely aggressive sharpening filter to make up for image quality loss when checkerboarded. In my opinion the level of detail only comes through in the Ps5 quality version, and all the others (including last gen) would have benefited more from a less granular, less detailed, less packed version. They all suffer from a very uneven, over sharpened, unsteady, fidgety look due to the fact that image complexity is to high to render out in a clean presentation. I think it isn't as flawless from a technical point as many seem to think, and i just cant turn back on my truemotion to make 30 fps bearable again on a larger TV screen. don't get me wrong, I am absolutely fine with 30 fps on my switch on the go on a much smaller screen. I belief this game could extremely benefit from a 40 fps cap as introduced in ratched and clank in 120 herz mode (fixing inputleg) with a 4k checkerboarded 1800p internal res for example. Would be awesome if it would be implemented in a future update. In my Opinion Guerrilla Games missed to deliver to show off the best optimized experience for most of the PlayStation platforms and modes. Also hdr seems off with proper calibrated PlayStation menu hdr settings. Highlights are blown out and the color palette looks washed out. Turning down brightness, shadows and highlights seemed to fix skin tones and general look of the game. Instead of making this run on last gen consoles with a downgraded presentation which reminds me more of switch ports (amazing that it actually can run like this, but you should play it on another platform if you can), i would have preferred that amount of work going into a much cleaner presentation on Ps5 Performance mode. Sad to see that none of this was pointed out by DF
So like, wtf happened btwn recording this video and launch? Serious shimmering/sharpness/noise issues on PS5 now that are seemingly non-existent in the video
To be honest,these videos are definitely useful but for the difference to be actually noticeable,you have to play this game on both systems. With the purchase price of the digital download ,you get both copies so if you really want to see it,you can. I did it with cyberpunk and the difference was staggering (even at release).
Also, I have a somewhat technical question that I haven't seen anywhere. What happens if you play this game on the PS4/PS4 Pro in external storage, and that connect said storage to the PS5? Is the game still playable in compatibility mode? I ask because there might be a situation where one is required to go back to the PS4/PS4 Pro to continue gaming, like going to a friend's house, PS5 being repaired, etc.
Am I the only one getting this huge contrast shift on PS5 in "Favor Resolution" mode when moving the camera vs when the camera is stationary? It's extremely noticeable and very distracting, like when the camera is moving everything looks fine and then when the camera stops the contrast just nosedives and colors are washed out. In "Favor Performance" mode I don't get this problem
Guerrilla has made the right choices to keep the gameplay intact whilst still keeping great visual fidelity on older systems, I wonder how a comparison between a PS5 vs a PS4 Pro with an SDD would look?
Guerrilla have done an outstanding job in making this look great on all gens. However the one thing that really bugs me is something that is nearly always in view, the fact that Aloy's hair clips through the bow. I can't imagine this wasn't picked up at all and I'm fairly certain with their great optimisation and knowhow they could have improved it somewhat?
Had a little go before work this morning on ps5, BLOWN AWAY !!!, how they have even got a working version on the ps4 is beyond me. Guerilla Games got magicians out there. Excellent analysis again by the DF guys, love these vids making me want to book a day off and just blast it lol
A betting man would say HFW and GT7 are prime PC port candidates. The pandemic component shortages that gimped Series/PS5 manufacturing also extended the PS4/XB1 cross-gen period as platform holders relied on their existing huge last-gen installed base for software/service sales... and multiplatform sales help narrow the gap. Hence Sony's resurgence to PC. God of War, for example, did serious business in its first 2--3 weeks on Steam & other PC portals. That "long tail" revenue from HZD and GoW on PC helps to compensate for gimped adoption and game sales on the supply-limited new gen consoles. *It won't be the first-party native PS5 code* (Rift Apart, DSouls, etc.) - these are tougher PC port (do you required min spec a fast SSD?), but any of Sony's tentpole franchise games with cross-gen versions (HFW, GT7, Ragnarok) are totally candidates for PC versions. Any big PS first-party game in 2022-23 with a PS4 version right now is a HUGE candidate for PC port. Their pipeline at the moment is primarily Dx11/12/vulkan conversions from the native PS4 SKUs, and several porting teams (like recently acquired PC port specialist Nixxes) are now using this PS4-PC pipeline as a baseline.
There are some cinematics on PS4 that are real time. It wouldn’t be out of the question that they jump back and forth between some real time and pre-rendered (even though DF labeled everything a “video clip”). Or they took it straight out of a PS5 and left those normal, small glitches in there to give the illusion you are watching a real time cut scene instead of a pre-rendered one.
I’m so surprised by how well the PS4 still runs! I played God of War and Last of Us 2 on PS4 and was really impressed. Now Horizon Forbidden West looks even better on PS4. The lower quality things like moss or draw distance I won’t really notice while running around and playing. Pretty cool 👍
I still haven't found a reason to upgrade, even to the pro. The difference is not worth the price. I'm not that picky about framerates though, I grew up playing super Nintendo and playstation so it never really has bothered me.
You are wrong, GOW and TLOU 2 and GOT are made specifically for PS4/Pro, this game is just a half baked product for that system, just play HZD again and you can see the fidelity of it compared to this HFW (I just replayed it again and I was shocked at how low res this new game is on PS4 Pro). I'd rather wait to play it on PS5 than play it on PS4, Sony is just wanna juice out more money from their 120m PS4...
It's mainly because they use a lot of static lighting and make smart use of cheaper techniques going for a more cinematic look instead of realistic realtime everthing that doesn't look as impressive even though it is technically more accurate.
Jealousy is such an interesting human emotion. Most of the time, those experiencing it aren't aware of it. It usually shows itself as hatred or denial.
We're kind of in the generation where even the inferior versions of games still look amazing. I'd be interested to see a side by side of HZD vs HFW on PS4.
Bad comparison (and old comment) but I played H:ZD on PC with maxed settings, and then I played H:FW on an og ps4 and aside from the framerate, the visuals of H:FW are so much stunningly better it's not even close. It's not just the asset quality, it's the art direction and modeling work. Characters feel a lot more like People, there's a lot more use of contrast in environmental visuals, and the camera work in setpieces is even better. H:ZD is great but it feels like just a proof of concept compared to FW.
@@thxextream people are saying it's just more of the horizon zero dawn formula. And I played that on pc and got bored about 20 hours in. Maybe it's just not for me idk.
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe yeah i had the same feeling, i really had to forced myself to finish zero dawn, i like the main story but everything else bored me to death and after 20hour i just wanted to speedrun the game and finish the story. there is such a beautiful world but not so much to do in it, majority of the quest are not that great, the progression and rpg aspect too. once you reach medirian after 20h or so of gameplay, you already have some of the best gear in the game and so for the remaining 20hour, i didn't feel any character progression.
@@champ6436 yeah so im probably gonna give this game a miss. maybe ill consider it when its half price or something. if a game can keep me entertained for 20 hours and i pay 30 for it then i would be happy with that. anyways i recently bought dying light 2 and will be getting elden ring as well so plenty to keep me occupied.
Massive respect for Guerrilla Games. This is such a masterpiece. Only God knows what will they achieve with a PS5 exclusive. I'm really loving this generation so far! 😊
Dude really bringing religion into this lol. This generation is currently disappointing due to new console unavailability and increased cross generation support.
The fact that Digital Foundry can point out so many reductions and differences on the old consoles and it still looks as good as it does is a testament to the devs and their technical prowess.
@@FEWGEE1 Native 4k 60FPS is very demanding even on a high end PC. The 9th gen consoles are 1440P 60FPS capable for the most part, there's no way the PS5 is running this game at 4k 60FPS.
@@FEWGEE1 COD vanguard uses DRS and hits lows of 1920x2160 the 9th gen consoles aren't powerful enough to run AAA titles at native 4k 60FPS and for the price that should be expected. If you want native 4k 60FPS then you need a PC and the GPU alone will cost you around 3-4 times the price of a 9th gen console and even then games at 4k are very demanding. HZD on PC at 4k pushes my RTX 3090 to it's limits and it wipes the floor with any of the 9th gen consoles. What you get with the 9th gen consoles is incredible value for money and a huge step up over the shit show that was the 8th generation of consoles.
Guerilla is in an elite class of game development. The talent and quality they bring to these projects is astonishing, especially in regards to having a game be so well made on three prespective Sony consoles and be a pleasure on each one to play. Playstations 1st party is amazing at what they do.
Naughty Dog are the Grandmasters of PlayStation family in regards to graphics. If anyone can make a truly Next Gen graphics that truly demonstrates PS5 capabilities,it's them. ...or they would be if not for internal problems that caused most of the staff leave the studio apparently.
@@GameslordXY "internal problems" is the freaking idiot in chief they appointed that created TLU2. It seems many of the good old developers couldn't get along with him after he got a high position and air got in his head.
@@MegaLoquendo2000 Yeah but didnt they had to cut down hard on a lot of other stuff when i remember correctly even on max player 12 vs 12 ... same already in BF3
It's insane what they managed to do on 2013 hardware, I'm glad to see that the PS4 still manages to deliver a good experience even though it's almost 9 years old, I don't plan on buying a PS5 anytime soon so it's great to see that it still gets some great ports.
@@SuperHns *PlayStation Studios Granted, this is Guerrilla’s moment, and they have blatantly showcased once again, but on the largest scale ever for themselves, that they are one of the most impressive game developers with one of the best game development engines in the industry. Bar none. 💯
@@draculathevampire934 AMDs cards are keeping up with the 3090 and even in some instances surpass it. Hence why nVidia felt the need to release even more Ti models.
Devs that work on PlayStation platform preforms some sort of magic voodoo. A lot of the single player games are world class in graphics, mechanics, and are award winning games.
They do play it aweful safe as well though, nothing new or groundbreaking in any of them. Which is fine, they make amazing games that are very polished and complete.
That’s where Sony has Xbox is the Studios Microsoft has very talented people working for them but let me tell you Sony is blessed with Demigods Microsoft will get there one day but never on the caliber this Sony does and this is not a fan boy speaking because I love video games it’s just cold hard facts But Sony made it their main focus for a long time now to deliver nothing but Bangerz that’s why we have what we have and will always that’s the one thing that will keep them on top if anything
The fact that PS4's 9 year old hardware can even handle this game without imploding is impressive enough.. Kudos to Guerrilla.
And that just goes to show you that in the last erra we really were at a points where it was the games that were the bottleneck, not the hardware. World size, density, gameplay, npc interactions, everything is limited by the programmers, not the hardware. Next gen pushed a new raytracing feature and sealed in the ability for some higher framerates (something pc has been doing for ages now) and bump the resolutions, but over all we wont see any difference in world sizes, npc activities, story, gameplay, ect.
Well dont forget the 1st game is also still really pretty on base ps4
@@MaNameizJeff it was the hardware bro, the PS4 and Xbox1 were already outdated when they released in 2013....
@@MaNameizJeff Its Always like that but the PS4 still has rubbish hardware from a time AMD just had very bad CPUs
Then you have games like Halo Infinite that's much much smaller than Horizon and can't even run or look good on the base Xbox One or Xbox One S.
PS4 / PS4 PRO versions of the game are impressive considering targeted hardware. It is great to see how much effort went into the PS5 version as well, Guerilla did an amazing job overall. I love first game and gonna have a blast playing Forbidden West on my PS5.
It's down to diminishing returns in improvements to visual fidelity. These type of cross then games weren't possible even coming from 7th to 8th gen. The different between ps3 and ps4 version of the same game would just be immediately visible without needing any kind of comparison. Then another gen back and "cross gen" games were practically different versions of the game. You simply could not run ps3 games on a ps2.
@@AVerySillySausage that’s because the HW in a PS2 and PS3 are radically different . It’s really simple to scale graphics between the PS4 and 5 because there basically off the shelf PC’s .
Choosing between fidelity and performance mode was borderline heart breaking today. Have been back and forth, but have finally settled on performance. I didn't think there would be much of a difference in detail but, it really is noticeable.
It's massive. You made the right decision. We'll get 4K60 on PS5 Pro. I'm patient
Exactly the same situation here lol, i also in the end went for performance, ive taken screenshots in both modes and noticed no difference at all in quality yet 60 is just to nice to pass up.
a little cool thing ive read... is that the developers artificially made the load screens on ps5 longer... so you have a chance to read the 'quick tips' ... they state you can turn them off.. have have the level load in 4 to 5 secs... well done Guerrilla (for the choice, even)
p.s. Great showing D.F. enjoyed this breakdown.
What? They couldn't implement thing like "press X to play when you're ready", when loading really ends? You have to turn off tips entirely??
@@override7486 It does already have that
I have to press x after loading on PS4 I don’t see why they wouldn’t do the same for ps5 since loading isn’t really that long on base PS4
*The art direction helps the PS4/Pro versions look pretty great* helped by good world design, but the raw density and coverage is so much better on PS5. Really fills out the environments for exploration.
That's why I keep telling people stop complaining that PS5 is "being held back." No, the _PS4_ version is held back. It's clearly the inferior version and that's OK. Let our PS brothers be able to seamlessly transition in.
@@dapperfan44 idk man, you can't really deny it.
Can you imagine an Horizon Forbidden West or a God of War Ragnarök developed exclusively for PS5?
Really hope GoW will be the last cross-gen first-party title
@@dapperfan44 no thats not how it works. The game does at the end of the day have to run at a ps4 which will impact the ps5 version in multiple ways.
@@barioneaccidioso3804 Yes I can.
It'll be the relative graphical equivalent to the following launch titles:
Summoner - PS2
Resistance: Fall of Man - PS3
Killzone 4: Shadow Fall - PS4
All three of the above titles I named paled in comparison to the later games the system would see. E.G. the following:
God of War 2 - PS2
Last of Us - PS3
Ghosts of Tsushima - PS4
And why is that? Because no one, and I mean no one, can truly fully take advantage of hardware at launch. It's not humanly possible. When you've spent more time with a system and you've learned it's ins and outs, you can pull off some truly amazing feats on the system. Some other late console cycle games I admire are games like Ristar on Genesis (just look at all the colors and unique animations), the Spyro series on PS1 (awesome draw distance technique), and this is more mid cycle but Jak 2 on PS2. We'll start seeing the true power of PS5 within the last two to three years of the console.
@@BigmanDogs I see a PS5 version running at a solid 60 FPS, and no pop in issues like on PS4. So how was the PS5 version affected?
When you jump from one system to another you can clearly see a difference but the ps4 version looks so good, if you have no comparaison you will never notice the difference. Great work done here.
True, when you don't have anything better to compare it to, you don't notice or care about the differences. But once you see how good the game looks on newer consoles, it kinda bugs you because you know you're not getting the best version of the game and it doesn't look as good anymore. But the ps4 version is still great looking nonetheless. I'm playing it on ps5 & I'm probably never going back to the ps4 again after experiencing what 4k & 60 fps feels like with these next-gen games. I love my ps4 and it has served me well for many years but I'm moving on now. I hope everyone can buy a ps5 soon but these ps5 shortages are crazy right now.
Such high quality comparison videos like this in 60 fps make Last Gen version's 30 fps framerate always seem better and more smooth than it actually is. PS4 versions are still sick though. Now with the patched peformance mode the best way is to play the game in 60 fps on the PS5 and it's a difference to the PS4, it's way more smooth with a much cleaner look with more details and less pop in and better lighting. For others it's day and night.
I'm so excited for release tomorrow. I bought a 65inch Oled a couple months ago and played HZD with HDR on it and I was blown away. I want to see this game in all its beautiful glory
Nice! The lighting and the sky system in this game (among so much else) is sure to look incredible on an OLED with HDR.
I need to upgrade my tv to oled only have normal 4k 60 fps 50 inch tv
Yeah I have a c1 it looks good
@@urekmazino6800 LG has had some nice deals on OLED TVs lately (them really being the leader with Sony then being the upgrade option.) I’ve definitely been tempted (especially with CES being the standard time to transition to the new year of TVs where deals likely won’t get better than that time for the year [last year’s model usually being rather comparable] outside of random/one-off deals.)
Meanwhile, Quantum dot OLED (QD-OLED) for a better light efficient OLED and/or mini/micro-LED LCD for LCD to have dimming zones closer to per-pixel lighting (so the two are advancing towards the primary benefit of the other) is now the new carrot to wait for. Now might be a sweet spot where these new forms of tech are pricy and OLED is now reasonably established to be more affordable (also then having better burn-in protection & brighter output than before) as long as you have a space where you can control the lighting as OLED can be a fair amount dimmer than LCD (reducing the light in the room/area then makes that not matter much, if at all.)
@@KZeni yeah I'll look around, definitely going to try and look for a 120hz tv and oled as well
Many people are reporting that the graphics got worse after the last update, leaving the graphics blurry and with artifacts, could you check?
Wonderful breakdown, guys. Glad to see the people on PS4 Pro and PS4 will still have a great time with a beautiful game.
I have to agree that it is a really interesting "curated" trimming of detail and other settings. I'm sure it was a ton of work for the folks at Guerilla Games and it sure paid off.
From this i believe a PS4 user can enjoy the game just fine without feeling his having a completely different experience.
So the curating was done successfully.
I would expected the pop in to change somewhat. Guerilla provides excellent post launch support and I am sure that within the first year of the release they can optimize the engine even better.
You didn’t show the favor performance mode on PS5 that much.
It’s incredible to me that the real time ps5 cinematic shots actually LOOK better than the prerecorded clips on the last gen consoles
That's to be expected. The PS4 pre-recorded footage is of the PS5 render and then undergone compression so there will be some minor artefacting, as opposed to a real time crisp tender on PS5.
@@micnguyen0 They might have rendered the ps4 cutscenes using ps4 graphics settings to make trasitions between cutscene and gameplay less jarring.
It's the SSD and io throughput on PS5 it loads the assets and helps the cpu. Hence why the PS5 fast travel is 3 seconds.
A small interesting comparison could be also added between PS5 version vs PS4 version running on PS5 vs PS4 version running on PS4 pro with a SSD just to see the differences in loading time and pop in.
Loading times would be less for sure but without being a native ps5 app it will only do so much. As for the pop in, that is a hardware limitation so it depends if they allowed the game to scale up on ps5 with a ps4 disc or if its locked in like some games. My guess is that since its a game on both systems it is locked in to ensure stability. Games like God of War was a ps4 game that got patched. A video test of that would be cool indeed.
Or simply running the ps4 version on ps5 via back-compat. I think it would reduce the loading times by 40% like most games.
@@JudgeFudge57 Correct, however if you insert it in a ps5 you can get the ps5 version for free so the case of ps4 ssd vs hdd males more sense in this case.
@@gamenation93 Yes but for the sake of comparaison it's simpler to use one console for both test cause the ps5 will run the ps4 pro code on the ps4 app meaning that it will have the exact same performance as running the game on ps4 pro with an sdd. Also, for ps4 games on ps5, it doesn't matter whether it's installed on the 5gb/s internal ssd or an external 530mb/s sata ssd. The game will load the same cause it's not optimized for an ssd anyway.
@@JudgeFudge57 Thats true. However the ps5 can still provide a more stable experience that the ps4 might not have been able to do such as hitting the ps4 intended frame target more reliably. Generally yes I agree but for a true safe test for rest its better without it.
Playing this on PS5 right now and it is gorgeous- but if I’d never seen this comparison I’d have no problem playing this on PS4 - they did an excellent job. It’s about 90 percent close to the PS5 version - the things they cut the average gamer would likely not notice.
Load time , Fast Travel and respawn times are the Ps5s advantages.
Also 60 fps rather than 30 fps . 120 fps on a 120hz TV.
Amazing how this is still the most beautiful game I've seen in the generation so far and it's a crossgen game.
Fake news. That just shows how small a leap this game and this whole gen has been, a true next gen game should never run on previous gen hardware.
This makes me appreciate both versions even more
Brilliant job on Guerilla game's part. The first one already looked amazing but I think they've outdone themselves here. I would be interested to see a video comparing the original HZD on base PS4 with Forbidden West on base hardware also.
Take note CDPR, this is how you make a cross-gen title.
You can't even remotely compare those games. It's much easier to render hills and vegetation and quite small number of mobs walking around.
@@n.erdbeer The vegetation on Horizon 2 as more AI than CP mobs 😂
@@dasilva2095 that's true but I'd like them to invest more time into a well written storyline, instead of some grass and tree AI :P
@@n.erdbeer Ehh NO, The complexity and fidelity of Horizon FW is way WAY higher than Cyberpunk. Are you kidding? A moss patch in Horizon FW has more polygons than a whole building in Cyberpunk. As buildings are straight lines and simplistic shapes. And that's only where it starts.
@@Ptolemy336VV but there aren't moss patches in the ps4 version.
The only thing that bothers me is the pretty bad antialliasing on the Ps5's performance mode. Compared to the 4k 30 mode, and even the first game on ps4 pro, it looks very grainy.
A patch update is imminent.
There's that CBR issue, and also a HDR issue to resolve.
@@griffgames9538 it is a official news or just your speculation? because I'm thinking to stop temporarily the game...
@@ivandeliseo1538 official - the hotfix was updated earlier today:
"Guerrilla Games has released a hotfix for its acclaimed role-playing game, which you can download and install now. All you need to do is restart the title a couple of times to grab the update and apply it."
It won't show as a formal download/update, but you'll see the hotfix application.
@@ivandeliseo1538 That's the CBR shimmer resolved hotfix. Next hotfix will address the HDR bug affecting a few display types.
@@griffgames9538 Dude, thanks!! I'll try today.
For me it doesnt look like a true next gen Ps5 game. In Performance mode the trees and gras is shimmering and the whole picture looks grainy. I am so disappointed
Like Halo Infinite, it's a cross-gen game.
Infinite had to accommodate a lowest common denominator spec of vanilla Xbox One.
HFW has to accommodate a baseline PS4.
No matter how awesome your scalability is, you are anchored to the technical fact that the core experience MUST run on baseline last gen -- which inherently compromises best case complexity and performance.
Lots of pop in and weird visual glitches from time to time in the PS5 version. They can be mildly distracting at times
not impressed so far on my OLED LG C1. Turning the camera slowly especially palm trees in the distance look like 720p and no antialiasing. Looks really weird. I'm very surprised Digital Foundry mentioned nothing of this.
Yeah oled tvs pixel refresh rate actually makes games look worse sometimes. Performance mode on my LG OLED C9 looks horrible and the 30fps mode stutters so much is unplayable. Playing the 30 fps mode on my other older 4K LCD LG TV actually looks ALOT better which is… sad.
@@TheBigcowie I'm playing on a samsung QLED and I have the same problem. I'm very disappointed with the graphics, the first game had a cleaner image.
@@Rafaellk07 one can only hope for a 40fps fidelity mode with proper AA
I have a SATA III SSD in my PS4 Pro and the asset loading isn't a problem in-game. There's no texture pop-in whatsoever beyond the in-engine geometry adjustment which is fixed. Loading is very fast too. I've been abusing fast travel.
But there are slower loading textures on the menus, which would have to be a software based bottleneck.
Although I dont like any kind of exclusivity I have to admit: *optimising the game for only two (with PS4 Pro lets say 3) platforms seems to be much more manageable* than optimising such a AAA title on like 7+ platforms (like Cyberpunk)!
So maybe this is one part of *the recipe for a great launch: focus on just one ecosystem* (here it's PlayStation, CP2077 should have been PC only at first, Forza on XBox ...) and bring the other platforms a year or so later! This way each system gets a focus on launch and combines the resources of a dev team!
I wish they would have the default comparison as PS5 vs PS4(og). I think that's what most people have and are interested. Cover PS4 Pro as well, for sure, but have OG PS4 up most of the time. Thanks a lot for these videos. These videos and the way you discuss graphics make me feel stupid, but also smart when I relay this info to my friends!
Yeah that bugs me too. They should be comparisons of the OG hardware. A LOT more people have a PS4 than a PS4 Pro.
I definitely agree
@@godsson7779 ... most people who seriously care about PS4 performance have probably upgraded to a Pro tbh...
@@TheKayliedGamerChannel-TH-cam I'm not just talking about performance I'm talking about visually also, loading times, the whole 9
Anyone who can't spot the differences between ps4 and ps5 with just glimpses is blind or in denial. There is no comparison. Ps5 has significantly more memory for textures, higher resolution, and the cpu power for higher quality effects. If you are still on a ps4 now you are just in it for the game and not really hard up on the visuals. PS4Pro users are the ones who have spent additional money to improve visuals over the past several years while making their way to the ps5, and it is precisely why videos like these needs to be between the ps4pro and ps5 so we can judge if the visuals in games are at the level to make the financial jump now or can we wait?
Very impressive for running on such old hardware. I’m looking forward to them putting last-gen support to rest so they can fully focus on utilizing current gen!
@@entertainmentgaming8738 Astro's Playroom, Demon's Souls Remake, Destruction All Stars, Returnal and Rachet and Clank Rift Apart are the next-gen exclusives so far, then there's Deathloop and Ghostwire Tokyo as timed console exclusives for 12 months of course
@@entertainmentgaming8738 and PlayStation obviously have a load of next-gen games for PS5/PSVR2 in development
I'm pretty sure this game is designed for PS4. It's been in development since before developers had PS5 dev kits. It's been upgraded for PS5.
The game was built for the ps4
@@dom4591 3 years on ps4 and 2 on ps5
Sony is so lucky to have such talent under their umbrella, what an achievement this game is, truly beautiful.
.... Lol, "lucky"... it's been an investment, Guerrilla Games has been a Sony studio since 2004.
There's a lot of hard-work, passion, know-how and commitment put in a connection between a studio and a company like this one.
Same case of Naughty Dog, Santa Monica Studio, Polyphony Digital, and so many others.
@@peterGchaves Exactly. Take notes, Microsoft.
Fanboy accounts are so weird. This guy has posted the same thing since Tuesday, he hasn’t even played the game. Sony fans are bizarre sometimes
@@rabbitenjoyer6320 take notes on how to make a game that will be dead in a week
@@davidmolnerjr3348 I'll take 30 hours of high quality memorable content over "live service" cash grabs every single time. But idk, that's just me 🤷♂️
I would love to see 40fps 120hrtz mode! Like ratchet and clank
Thank you for keeping us "Last Gen Losers" in mind with these videos! I'm still loving my Ps4 Pro and One X!
Great systems...both 👍
yeah sony really dropped the ball with the ps5 supply huh
this game most likely was being desingned for PS4 before PS5 was even born... but this is gonna be one of the last gems we are getting for sure, ragnarok will be tha last thing... so lets enjoy.
I dunno how you do it. My One X lags and freezes all the time just trying to launch Netflix.
@@tynorstrom2761 No, COVID chip supply shortages are to blame. Sony are producing as many PS5 as possible. Series X is in the exact same situation but it’s a little easier to find one because they’re not as sought after. PC GPUs, laptops and phones are all also struggling with supply shortages at the moment.
Appreciate the coverage. I am a little let down that the "PS5 vs PS4 vs PS4 Pro" video was largely a PS5 vs PS4 Pro debate with the base model absent from all but a few comparisons. Was really looking forward to a deep dive into how the base system compared visually to the PS5 scene by scene.
I'm realy impressed how they made the game look on the 4 Pro!
In a few occasions the lack of hero lighning made it even look better than the 5. Also the water is way too clear for the 5.
Still, the lack of jet engine sound and way faster loading times will make it worth playing it on the 5 ;)
Some lakes, rivers and even oceans have crystal clear water. Not all water is misty or obscured.
Gotta think that humanity is close to extinction, so nobody polutes the lakes and oceans anymore... That's partly why the water is clear
@@Oznerol1234 also the water machines filter the bodies of water
If your ps4 is sounding like a jet just clean it. 20 minutes and you don't have a problem.
@@jakubmrozik7964 You obvious don't own a 4 pro lol
The comparisons between the systems is great but what should be commended is the fact that the game looks so beautiful and it can run on the lower spec hardware of the base PS4.
As a PC "Gamer" for the past ten years I always assumed a rather snobbish position against consoles. What drove me to build a PC in the first place was when i had gotten an Xbox One. I wanted a PS4 but they were nowhere to be found at the time. So I settled with the inferior product, albeit the more expensive one. So, with my next gen hopes and dreams intact, i rushed home with my new console and i just couldnt wait to be apart of it - the next generation of gaming. I bought Battlefield 4 top go with it to really feel and see it and... it was the most underwhelming "next gen" experience i think anyone could ever have. I was so disappointed at the feeble 720p resolution and the low frame rate, even Black flag was in 720p. So, I sold the Xbox and used the money to help build my first PC, it was a very trying experience but I never looked back.
Then the PS5 became more readily available last week. I just got one last week, they were available and i had the money so i thought "why not?" and... wow. I was not expecting THAT level of performance. It truly feels next gen and somehow just blows my current PC out of the water.
I haven’t read all the comments but have anyone noticed if you buy the PS4 version and upgrade to the PS5 that you don’t have the option for Graphics Mode it’s not even a option
Love your projects, DF. Thank you!
I think Guerilla games have done a fantastic job, to optimize this game for the 140 million playstation 4/5 owners out there. For someone like me, who ordered the ps4 version before getting a ps5, it's a god send. Other developers should take notes.
I know you prefer the 30 fps mode, but after trying it with motion blur off it’s extremely choppy. Can’t go back to 30 fps after being accustomed to 60+.
Interesting comparison, however in motion I never really notice any of these improvements lol.
" This game serves to show that using the argument " 7year old hardware" to defend cyberpunk just makes you look like an idiot. "
- Digital Foundry
😂😂
This may very well be the best last gen port I have ever seen!
It looks awesome in my PS4 Pro and I didn't know such differences existed until I saw this video of the side-by-side comparison. Well done Digital Foundry. Well done Guerilla Games.
Performance mode vs 4k mode wasnt covered enough. Apart from resolution, are there other differences
Agree
Agree it was really really shallow and lacking detail, information and comparisons m...
There's a big problem running Favor Performance graphics mode on a 1080p screen. Please have a look on this guys.
Digital Foundary *didn't cover in depth the issues* that appear in this game...HDTVTest did a much better job reviewing this. 🧐
The dual sense takes this game to the next level.
This game is a stunner on Ps5! I played the 1st 2 hours last night on my Samsung Q90T with Game motion plus. If you use that mode, it makes 30fps feel like 60 and I love it. If you own a Ps5 I'd say this game is an obligatory buy to see what your system is capable of. Incredible graphics!
Yes many people don't know even though game motion plus does give a little bit of input delay it just makes so much difference from 30fps to 60fps
At 22:52 I see that on PS5 the snow builds up on her outfit but not on PS4, something they didn't mention. Seems like one of the bigger differences.
Amazing video. So fascinating and entertaining
Nice "video clip" with late rendering at 6:04 on the right.
Would be great if you guys could also do tests like this on PS4's and PS4 Pro's that have even basic SATA SSDs instead of the hard drives. I know it wouldn't magically make the games look better or load as fast as the PS5, but I do know when I did that to my PS4, things just became all the more snappier.
Yes please do a ssd comparison df. A lot of us ps4 and pro owners upgraded our drives
It blows me away that the people who built this game have gotten the PS4 version to look so damn close to the ps5 despite the fact the ps5 is an unimaginable amount quicker. Well done.
Sure but the PS4 is 1080p and the PS5 is 4k native (qualtiy mode), that is 8 times the amount of pixels to render AND it does it with far greater fidelity.
@@Danuxsy yeah I understand that but unless you were playing side by side you wouldn't notice most things. It's just a great looking game for the ps4 as well as ps5
@Transistor Jump shhh I know I realized my mistake but please keep quiet it's embarrassing.
@Transistor Jump xDDD
Adding chapters on videos would be good.
I'm honestly disappointed in how the game looks on PS5 in performance mode. They really toned down the graphical details.
Though, it's incredible how well they optimized it for last-gen.
I don't think they have toned down it so much. Bit still there are clear differences.
It's the same case with Forza Horizon 5 where in performance mode looks very similar to the Xbox One X version. And this is probably the reason why the DF guys say in both cases that it's better to play it on the quality 30fps mode.
I just think the dynamic res scaler is a little TOO aggressive on ps5, maybe if they tone it down a bit?
I been playing GOD of WAR on my pc for awhile now my gaming rig is pretty beefy get 80-110 fps 4K in God of war! Have a 3090 FE I picked up Forbidden West can’t play the game in high resolution mode game just gives me nausea 😔 can feel how low the frames up luckily performance mode is so much smoother! Game is pretty awesome definitely hope it doesn’t take too long to bring this game to pc!
@@TrigunV4S making a game in 2022, running at 30fps should be straight up illegal. It's completely unplayable! I feel like I'm playing a broken game.
I don’t know if it’s just me, but I would always favor higher framerate over resolution. To me it’s just graphically way more pleasing to the eye than 30 fps with a slight bump in clarity
It dependes on the game. F.e. Horizon: Resolution. Nioh: Perfomance
@Transistor Jump well not to me it is. Personal preferences and always in the eye of the beholder. Probably also depends on viewing distance as well, but I play HFW at 60fps and just about any game at that frame rate whenever I can. That’s not to say it isn’t doing great things with a locked 30, I just find the extra clarity too marginal to overrule 60fps altogether.
This is easily the best looking game I've ever seen. And I've been gaming for about 35 years.
It’s actually insane an open world game looks this good
It looks great in a TH-cam video with 4K60fps and I cannot imagine how great it should look in person.
PS5 loading can be faster if you turn off hints in the settings
I probably will not get a console, but this video showing the level of performance that can be extracted from them has me sold on their idea.
I got so focused on details I was like "why is the ps4 version playing on half speed, was the game playing at 2x speed?" then I realized it's the whole thing that's half speed.
The introduction looks to be reworked with the day one patch… in DF’s original comparison video the intro scenes look like what you show in this video as the “patched” version…
even though ppl say a PS4 or PS4pro had crappy hardware , let me remind you on the VW Beetle , it was for sure not the most luxurious car , neither the fastest or had best fuel economy but what it did if was fit for the purpose it was designed for , and can still do - thats what the PS4 does and is still fit for the purpose it was designed for
This just proves how much ps5 (or xbox series x/s) are pulled back by last gen consoles.
18:14 Transferring save from ps4 to ps5 is apparently supported according to Guerrilla...
Now i remember, guerilla made first Killzone game on ps2 and i my thought on that game was why no one told about this game. The graphic was more beautiful compared to other fps on that time on ps2. Who knew they make hzd/hfw right now.
The ps4 most likely held back ps5's true graphical potential, however we got a 60 FPS mode because of that. So this is fine I guess.
It's like MGS5 on ps3-ps4, the later being only slightly better looking and higher res but was running on a smooth 60 fps.
Set the TH-cam resolution to 1080 and be amazed
I ordered this for standard PS4 and the visuals are still great. I'm glad they took the time to do the older gen justice, especially for us that are still playing on a 1080p TV.
Weird that in the ps4 pre-rendered video, you can still see asset pop-in in some of the cuts.
still bugs me that the hair passes through the weapons on her back as though they are not there...
Yeah, I hope there’s some hairstyle options/outfits that can cover it.
So, play in resolution mode on PS5, got it. Might be the first title I don't steer towards performance mode for frame smoothness and fluidity of movement. A game this beautiful deserves resolution to be maxed out.
As with the One X the PS4 pro should be pulled back to 1080p with increased FPS and Higher Graphics settings .
I can´t help to think the performance mode on PS5 just doesn't deliver for a PlayStation exklusive title like spider man and ratchet & clank (60 fps+ raytraced reflections) especially if i compare it with the image quality of horizon zero dawn pc version, dlss and 100+ fps on a 3080. i am sad to see a PlayStation exclusive title not being able to get a clean looking performance mode, sorry John, but it's arguable if this can be considered a slow paced game where 30fps work, let's say like death stranding (even that got a 60 fps mode). Here you have to traverse, platform, fight and shoot giant robots trying to kill you around every corner, which to be honest is a mager part of this game. And it's arguable if a faster framerate and lower input lag isn't beneficial in those scenarios. The hole situation just makes me want to sit it out until the PC port will arrive in a few years with DLss support and the granular level of detail can truly shine in a higher frame rate. Horizon zero dawn made me awe a lot more for what a leap it was at its release in comparison. i also think they introduced an extremely aggressive sharpening filter to make up for image quality loss when checkerboarded. In my opinion the level of detail only comes through in the Ps5 quality version, and all the others (including last gen) would have benefited more from a less granular, less detailed, less packed version. They all suffer from a very uneven, over sharpened, unsteady, fidgety look due to the fact that image complexity is to high to render out in a clean presentation. I think it isn't as flawless from a technical point as many seem to think, and i just cant turn back on my truemotion to make 30 fps bearable again on a larger TV screen. don't get me wrong, I am absolutely fine with 30 fps on my switch on the go on a much smaller screen. I belief this game could extremely benefit from a 40 fps cap as introduced in ratched and clank in 120 herz mode (fixing inputleg) with a 4k checkerboarded 1800p internal res for example. Would be awesome if it would be implemented in a future update. In my Opinion Guerrilla Games missed to deliver to show off the best optimized experience for most of the PlayStation platforms and modes. Also hdr seems off with proper calibrated PlayStation menu hdr settings. Highlights are blown out and the color palette looks washed out. Turning down brightness, shadows and highlights seemed to fix skin tones and general look of the game. Instead of making this run on last gen consoles with a downgraded presentation which reminds me more of switch ports (amazing that it actually can run like this, but you should play it on another platform if you can), i would have preferred that amount of work going into a much cleaner presentation on Ps5 Performance mode. Sad to see that none of this was pointed out by DF
So like, wtf happened btwn recording this video and launch? Serious shimmering/sharpness/noise issues on PS5 now that are seemingly non-existent in the video
it is so cool that you can now climb everywhere just like in Zelda breath of the wild
To be honest,these videos are definitely useful but for the difference to be actually noticeable,you have to play this game on both systems. With the purchase price of the digital download ,you get both copies so if you really want to see it,you can. I did it with cyberpunk and the difference was staggering (even at release).
Also, I have a somewhat technical question that I haven't seen anywhere. What happens if you play this game on the PS4/PS4 Pro in external storage, and that connect said storage to the PS5? Is the game still playable in compatibility mode? I ask because there might be a situation where one is required to go back to the PS4/PS4 Pro to continue gaming, like going to a friend's house, PS5 being repaired, etc.
I'd like to see a 40 fps mode on PS5.
Exactly
Why isn't John a fan of the advance cinematic lightning used on Aloy in the pS5
Because there’s no realistic light source for the light to be coming from meaning it can from time to time look a little off
Am I the only one getting this huge contrast shift on PS5 in "Favor Resolution" mode when moving the camera vs when the camera is stationary? It's extremely noticeable and very distracting, like when the camera is moving everything looks fine and then when the camera stops the contrast just nosedives and colors are washed out. In "Favor Performance" mode I don't get this problem
Guerrilla has made the right choices to keep the gameplay intact whilst still keeping great visual fidelity on older systems, I wonder how a comparison between a PS5 vs a PS4 Pro with an SDD would look?
I barely see a difference on my phone in portrait mode without my glasses.
You’ve got to love seeing all the Dutch names in the intro. Make me proud! 🇳🇱
Guerrilla have done an outstanding job in making this look great on all gens. However the one thing that really bugs me is something that is nearly always in view, the fact that Aloy's hair clips through the bow. I can't imagine this wasn't picked up at all and I'm fairly certain with their great optimisation and knowhow they could have improved it somewhat?
Had a little go before work this morning on ps5, BLOWN AWAY !!!, how they have even got a working version on the ps4 is beyond me. Guerilla Games got magicians out there. Excellent analysis again by the DF guys, love these vids making me want to book a day off and just blast it lol
I was hoping for a detailed comparison of the ps5 performance mode and the ps4 pro
Thanks for all your hard work Guerilla. Forbidden West is a gift to gamers around the world.
A betting man would say HFW and GT7 are prime PC port candidates.
The pandemic component shortages that gimped Series/PS5 manufacturing also extended the PS4/XB1 cross-gen period as platform holders relied on their existing huge last-gen installed base for software/service sales...
and multiplatform sales help narrow the gap.
Hence Sony's resurgence to PC. God of War, for example, did serious business in its first 2--3 weeks on Steam & other PC portals.
That "long tail" revenue from HZD and GoW on PC helps to compensate for gimped adoption and game sales on the supply-limited new gen consoles.
*It won't be the first-party native PS5 code* (Rift Apart, DSouls, etc.) - these are tougher PC port (do you required min spec a fast SSD?), but any of Sony's tentpole franchise games with cross-gen versions (HFW, GT7, Ragnarok) are totally candidates for PC versions.
Any big PS first-party game in 2022-23 with a PS4 version right now is a HUGE candidate for PC port.
Their pipeline at the moment is primarily Dx11/12/vulkan conversions from the native PS4 SKUs, and several porting teams (like recently acquired PC port specialist Nixxes) are now using this PS4-PC pipeline as a baseline.
I can only imagine how much better this would have been if it were PS5 only
Why does the clipped version at 6:05 have nasty pop in then? I'm sure they would have used the most prestine version of those cinematics to clip them?
There are some cinematics on PS4 that are real time. It wouldn’t be out of the question that they jump back and forth between some real time and pre-rendered (even though DF labeled everything a “video clip”).
Or they took it straight out of a PS5 and left those normal, small glitches in there to give the illusion you are watching a real time cut scene instead of a pre-rendered one.
Well I've enjoyed it immensly on my PS4Pro. We shouldn't have to pay $700 plus for a console.
I’m so surprised by how well the PS4 still runs! I played God of War and Last of Us 2 on PS4 and was really impressed. Now Horizon Forbidden West looks even better on PS4. The lower quality things like moss or draw distance I won’t really notice while running around and playing. Pretty cool 👍
PlayStation franchise always been gem in terms optimization
I still haven't found a reason to upgrade, even to the pro. The difference is not worth the price. I'm not that picky about framerates though, I grew up playing super Nintendo and playstation so it never really has bothered me.
You are wrong, GOW and TLOU 2 and GOT are made specifically for PS4/Pro, this game is just a half baked product for that system, just play HZD again and you can see the fidelity of it compared to this HFW (I just replayed it again and I was shocked at how low res this new game is on PS4 Pro). I'd rather wait to play it on PS5 than play it on PS4, Sony is just wanna juice out more money from their 120m PS4...
Nahi chaiye jii 🤣🤣
@@conformistbastard9842 I'd say the ps4 pro is worth if u don't own a ps4 already.
To be honest, the true magic Guerrilla has done is optimizing their engine in such an incredible way.
It's mainly because they use a lot of static lighting and make smart use of cheaper techniques going for a more cinematic look instead of realistic realtime everthing that doesn't look as impressive even though it is technically more accurate.
Dat decima engine yo
Killzone shadowfall was ahead of its time what do mean
Shit game
Jealousy is such an interesting human emotion. Most of the time, those experiencing it aren't aware of it. It usually shows itself as hatred or denial.
The Decima engine is bonkers for how well it scales
We're kind of in the generation where even the inferior versions of games still look amazing. I'd be interested to see a side by side of HZD vs HFW on PS4.
Bad comparison (and old comment) but I played H:ZD on PC with maxed settings, and then I played H:FW on an og ps4 and aside from the framerate, the visuals of H:FW are so much stunningly better it's not even close. It's not just the asset quality, it's the art direction and modeling work. Characters feel a lot more like People, there's a lot more use of contrast in environmental visuals, and the camera work in setpieces is even better. H:ZD is great but it feels like just a proof of concept compared to FW.
The work they've done to squeeze those visuals out of the base PS4 is remarkable. Can't wait to play this.
The visuals are good but the game is a Snoozefest.
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe Awful opinion
@@thxextream people are saying it's just more of the horizon zero dawn formula. And I played that on pc and got bored about 20 hours in. Maybe it's just not for me idk.
@@JudeTheTH-camPoopersubscribe yeah i had the same feeling, i really had to forced myself to finish zero dawn, i like the main story but everything else bored me to death and after 20hour i just wanted to speedrun the game and finish the story. there is such a beautiful world but not so much to do in it, majority of the quest are not that great, the progression and rpg aspect too. once you reach medirian after 20h or so of gameplay, you already have some of the best gear in the game and so for the remaining 20hour, i didn't feel any character progression.
@@champ6436 yeah so im probably gonna give this game a miss. maybe ill consider it when its half price or something. if a game can keep me entertained for 20 hours and i pay 30 for it then i would be happy with that. anyways i recently bought dying light 2 and will be getting elden ring as well so plenty to keep me occupied.
Massive respect for Guerrilla Games.
This is such a masterpiece. Only God knows what will they achieve with a PS5 exclusive. I'm really loving this generation so far! 😊
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@GMOTP5738 Halo looks like a last gen game, cringe 😂
Dude really bringing religion into this lol. This generation is currently disappointing due to new console unavailability and increased cross generation support.
@@GMOTP5738 wrong emoji you should be using the 😢
@@cathalorourke1 your fanboy comment is cringe.
In this day and age, how can someone limit themselves to one platform? It’s silly
Love how you guys break everything down in such a detailed way!
They're legends in the image analysis field, absolute legends.
Thanks 😊
Lol fail
@@lordmaster2562 bro that's so lol out loud i'm rofling on the the floor omg my god
Every game developer should subscribe to these guys. They even point out flaws in poorly optimised games (mainly for PC of course).
The fact that Digital Foundry can point out so many reductions and differences on the old consoles and it still looks as good as it does is a testament to the devs and their technical prowess.
Or a testament to how much developing it for PS4 held back the PS5 version. It can't even manage 4K 60 fps.
@@FEWGEE1 Native 4k 60FPS is very demanding even on a high end PC. The 9th gen consoles are 1440P 60FPS capable for the most part, there's no way the PS5 is running this game at 4k 60FPS.
@@originalityisdead.9513 games like Vanguard can manage 4K 120 fps. 4K 60 fps should be standard this generation.
@@FEWGEE1 you compare a 5 hour long linear shooter Which looks much worde btw to this good job troll
@@FEWGEE1 COD vanguard uses DRS and hits lows of 1920x2160 the 9th gen consoles aren't powerful enough to run AAA titles at native 4k 60FPS and for the price that should be expected. If you want native 4k 60FPS then you need a PC and the GPU alone will cost you around 3-4 times the price of a 9th gen console and even then games at 4k are very demanding. HZD on PC at 4k pushes my RTX 3090 to it's limits and it wipes the floor with any of the 9th gen consoles. What you get with the 9th gen consoles is incredible value for money and a huge step up over the shit show that was the 8th generation of consoles.
Guerilla is in an elite class of game development. The talent and quality they bring to these projects is astonishing, especially in regards to having a game be so well made on three prespective Sony consoles and be a pleasure on each one to play. Playstations 1st party is amazing at what they do.
Naughty Dog are the Grandmasters of PlayStation family in regards to graphics.
If anyone can make a truly Next Gen graphics that truly demonstrates PS5 capabilities,it's them.
...or they would be if not for internal problems that caused most of the staff leave the studio apparently.
@@GameslordXY "internal problems" is the freaking idiot in chief they appointed that created TLU2.
It seems many of the good old developers couldn't get along with him after he got a high position and air got in his head.
@@GameslordXY Yup. I gotta agree with Ching Vang. HFW stole the throne. I've beat them all. This game was on an ENTIRE new level graphically
@@SIPEROTH Do people that say stuff like this realize that Neil was a creative director during the development of the first game?
Obviously the PS5 version looks stunning but the fact that Horizon 2 looks that good on a 1.8 teraflop base PS4 is black magic if I’ve ever seen it.
The benefits of developing on a closed system like consoles. It's amazing.
agree
It looks almost too good for a Ps4 title
Kinda like battlefield 4 on PS3 and 360, both systems sport a miniscule 512mb of ram and features like levolution remained intact
@@MegaLoquendo2000 Yeah but didnt they had to cut down hard on a lot of other stuff when i remember correctly even on max player 12 vs 12 ... same already in BF3
It's insane what they managed to do on 2013 hardware, I'm glad to see that the PS4 still manages to deliver a good experience even though it's almost 9 years old, I don't plan on buying a PS5 anytime soon so it's great to see that it still gets some great ports.
Guerilla is master
@@SuperHns *PlayStation Studios
Granted, this is Guerrilla’s moment, and they have blatantly showcased once again, but on the largest scale ever for themselves, that they are one of the most impressive game developers with one of the best game development engines in the industry. Bar none. 💯
That shows u dont need a 3090
@@draculathevampire934 AMDs cards are keeping up with the 3090 and even in some instances surpass it. Hence why nVidia felt the need to release even more Ti models.
@@damienlobb85 lol
Devs that work on PlayStation platform preforms some sort of magic voodoo. A lot of the single player games are world class in graphics, mechanics, and are award winning games.
It's called optimization and dedication
@@ThibautMahringer I'm sure he knows that and is only calling it voodoo as a form of hyperbole
They do play it aweful safe as well though, nothing new or groundbreaking in any of them. Which is fine, they make amazing games that are very polished and complete.
That’s where Sony has Xbox is the Studios Microsoft has very talented people working for them but let me tell you Sony is blessed with Demigods Microsoft will get there one day but never on the caliber this Sony does and this is not a fan boy speaking because I love video games it’s just cold hard facts But Sony made it their main focus for a long time now to deliver nothing but Bangerz that’s why we have what we have and will always that’s the one thing that will keep them on top if anything
Graphics, sure. Mechanics? Lol no