I turned MILK into Fabric
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0:00 Intro
0:46 Invention of Milk Yarn
2:55 Why this works
3:55 sponsor
4:28 How to make fiber
6:35 Wet spinning machine
7:56 Making Goop
11:00 Making Rope
12:30 Tensile Testing - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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The more you learn about chemistry, the more you understand why chemistry teachers are so concerned about you even drinking water in class. So many dangerous dissolved chemicals look and seem like water
Reminds me of a kid joke song I heard eons ago that went something like:🎵"What Johnny that was H2O was H2SO4, HEY!"🎵
And fun fact, even water can be dangerous. Nano-pure water, which is basically as close to 100% water (meaning no ions, no free floating random solids etc) as you can get, can be dangerous to drink. As it has technically no concentration in it and is a pretty great universal solvent it will actually steal minerals and nutrients and ions from your body/system. You'd need to drink a lot but would be noticeable over time
@@duxangus Just don't have H2O2
@@duxangus -- Johnny was a little boy, but Johnny is no more; for what he thought was H2O was H2SO4
And if your bottle is open it could very well get contaminated
Nile Red: turns manufactured goods into foods.
The thought emporium: turns foods into manufactured goods.
Perfect cycle...
I need those two to collaborate one day
Food is manufactured goods.
@@alext6933 I don't disagree, though I'm unsure of how to specify non-food manufactured goods. You can't say inorganic, because it's the organic chemicals in things like latex gloves that makes the grape flavouring possible. Any suggestions?
@@snosah7571 not really, I was more just implying that what they both do is pretty much the same thing
Nile Red: Turns inedible things edible
The Thought Emporium: Turns edible things inedible
I guess this pretty much works for the most part
As a fiber artist: I LOVE MILK COTTON YARN! It's legitimately so soft, beautiful and comes in so many colors while also being perfect for so many projects (unless its a wearable for summer and you dont wanna sweat like crazy) lets hope milk cotton yarn gets more popular:)
Fiber artist stfu that’s such a girl thing to claim😂
I absolutely love milk yarn it's so easy to work with! It's cheap too!
Yeah you're totally a real 'fiber artist'
@@Open89182 i’ve been crocheting for the past 3-4 years and was a knitter around the age of 12 so yeah i am a real fiber artist
I hope it doesn’t, the dairy industry is evil 🥲
i saw milk yarn about a decade ago and thought milk was a descriptor of the yarns' softness. finding out it really is made from milk, and how, is fascinating. thank you.
As the years go on, chemistry turns more and more into witchcraft.
It has always been the basis of chemistry.
So you're saying chemistry just returning to it root as alchemy
It is
@@dutchik5107 these days only difference they measure what they do.
Technically it more that our understanding of stop in “normal human level” isn’t deep enough to realize intuitively that it is possible (nilered for example made spicy molecules from vanillin and rubber gloves, make sense if you know chemistry but completely wild if you don’t)
So in theory you can make cheesecloth out of... cheese-cloth?
Yes.
Yeah 😂
I wonder if there’s a way to make cheese form cheesecloth
@@Unknown_-.. you use it as a cheesecloth to make cheese
@@whybotherwithusernames4880😂😂😂😂
7:58 the bong bubbling after ‘spinning dope’ 😭
7:58 the shameless bong hit lmaooo
No wonder all those dads go looking for the milk. They all need spare socks
That makes so much more sense now! I wonder how many socks I’m gonna have when dad comes back. Probably quite a few.
😅
💀💀💀
That joke is reaching a bit far but, it's firmly grasping the dad humor.
And then they keep loosing them to the dryer, so dad takes even longer to come home
"demand for milk is dramatically lower than production" THEN WHY IS IT DAMN NEAR $4 A GALLON
Greed well that and the fact that they have to cover their cost of operations and gas and electricity prices have gone up leading to higher costs for dairy farmers but yeah
Because you're paying for the 1 gallon of milk you drink and the 3 gallons they dump in a river to keep the price at the maximum profit point.
Capitalism
in my country at least in ireland dairy farmers aren't paid that much, increased costs and clampdowns on electricity, fertilizer, gas, transport systems & more have made operations expensive, and also not all milk is of drinking quality or of production quality to make things like cheese; lots of poor quality watery wastemilk, milk from low-quality or dual-purpose breeds, and milk contaminated with things like somatic cells and antibiotics is produced but unable to be used for consumption
@@afterskool444 my mum buys milk directly through the dairy farmer because of this it gets delivered like twice a week it's probably not cheaper than what the stores buy from them at but ykno at least the man's getting paid a decent price for his products instead of the prices shops pay only to jack the prices up on their end
Fun fact, you can add milk to a strong, dark wine mixed with a bunch of other fruits and syrup and strain out the curds to produce a light and clear beverage with a much milder flavor. The curds will also taste like wine, but if your initial mixture was very strong and crude, you might not like all the harsher flavors it took out of the drink.
Why not just use a bit of wine/acid and then mix the whey into your wine? You're basically doing the same thing, except losing wine in the curd in the process.
but can you make milk from socks?
"Plain unadulterated cow juice"
Is gonna be my indie band name
Plain unadulterated cow juice apartment could be a Neutral Milk Hotel cover band
@@erikheller3769 ngl I'd never heard of the band before so this comment made me laugh harder than it should but I'm listening to one of their songs now and I'm feeling it would probably actually work well as a cover band
Hearing the narrator say "you ain't seen nothin yet" in a 50s news accent was weird
you ain't seen nothing yet
making a cheesecloth out of milk fiber would be one of the most insane things a cheese maker could do
Dang that'd be cool, I wonder if there's people who do that
@@ZappygunshotI got a guy
@@rubeningPlease disclose this “guy” you speak of
I feel like the formaldehyde would deem it very un-food safe
@@hannahbloom no harm in a little formaldehyde every once in a while as a treat
i love how you just casually say you will make carbon nanotubes with a milk fiber machine, thats what makes your stuff just amazing, especially since you'll actually do it too
One of the first things they taught us in the material science class is that most common plastics can actually be made from regular organic substances. For example PLA is made from lactic acid that can be made using bacterial or milk fermentation.
My mother was married in 1946.
She kept her dress she wore for her wedding, which was woven from milk fibers.
It was a cute 1940's era "business dress", with skirt and jacket in a pale blue.
It was very soft, and quite pretty.
Until watching this, I had always assumed that the fibers were just chemically derived from milk, not actually mechanically pulled from milk fibers, like you've shown here.
This has been a very cool connection for me.
My brain sees milk as a billion dollar investment...
too many details, i not like.
@@dusted_mello unintelligent
@@gothchicklover racist.
@@dusted_mellohow to pull the color card seamlessely
I'm not a chemist, but I am a knitter, so this definitely interests me! My only criticism is that braiding and twisting fibers are not the same thing. Twisted yarns are made by turning all the fibers in the same direction and then taking those threads and turning *those* in the opposite direction. Because your first-try fibers were so thick, you could theoretically skip the thread making step, but braiding doesn't introduce that same friction strength that twisting does.
Milk yarn is very soft and squishy in my experience, but prone to pilling
i cant STAND knitters
@@mehalfricansomeone got their heart rboken by a knitter..
@@mehalfricanknitter hater
@@mehalfricanthat's so specifically rude, but aren't you glad that everyone knows how horrible you are now?
You have pulled an opposite Nile Red. Truly seeing how alchemy became chemistry.
Very nice.
You could set up other baths, to rinse and further cross link the thread, the as you pull it further dry the thread, so you end up with finer fibres.
Love it.
Hey, Fabric process RandD engineer here. You need to swap out your clamps on your tensile test. Using a pinched clamp like this creates localized weakness near the clamp point resulting in weakness in the 20-50% lower range for the actual fiber strength. Great Video!
so would it be better to use hooks where you tie the rope to?
@@sultanmutschinot tie, but splice. look up rope splicing, it's an art and gives you loops on the ends that exceed the strength of the bare rope with no weak points.
In standard tests they bend them over a defined radius on each side before clamping them.
Can I hire you to make a whole new type of silk from all sorts of products including biomass!? I need a new 10 million dollar factory coming online if it's so...
You and NileRed are true alchemists
One turns poisons into edible things
The other ,food into commodities
Yep.
the next logical step is nilered turning poison into food and then giving it to the thought emporium to be turned into other stuff
@@lycandusk7263Sisyphus
Eventually they'll be turning base metals into gold and developing the universal solvent.
@@jameswalker199 You mean “the philosopher’s stone” when you said turning base metals into gold, right?
Hot damn, that fiber-pulling machine is rad! I was just expecting a general chemistry video about the process, wasn't expecting to see a fully fiber-pulling machine. Neat!
I love applications of milk like this. It's pretty easy to make basic plastic and glue with milk (and I've done composites with recycle cardboard too), but more advanced, stronger stuff requires additional chemicals (like formaldehyde) and machinery. Still, from a self sufficiency point of view, milk is a massive resource that we seem to be largely ignoring. Excellent video!
Imagine Thought Emporium and NileRed get into a loop of turning food into clothing into different food
And the first one to fail to turn one thing into another make a food for the other lmao
Decades ago, My kindergarten teacher took us to her family's dairy farm in Oregon and showed us all of the different products that could be made out of plastic from that milk.
It's such a basic thing now but man when we were kids she inspired us all to the max
Tell me more...
I don't normally comment on videos, but I will say that if you actually were to sell some of the milk fibres you make, I'd be willing to buy some if I had money to spare at the time it was being sold. I like knitting and crochet a lot and one of my big interests is using "weird" yarns and whatnot to make things. A small run of milk fibres made by a TH-camr would definitely fit that bill! Though like you said the fibres you ended up getting had a bit of a not-yarn-like texture, I can still see potential fun uses for them in knitting or crochet other than clothes, something like a crocheted basket or just some sort of decorative piece.
Omg awesome i remember watching your lactose curing attepmt a long time ago. I never realised it was you. I always called you that crazy guy who messed with his genetics on social media!
Love your videos!
First spider silk, now milk silk...
I see a bright future for the Silk Emporium
I see milk kimonos and special insect milk becoming a thing now. Selling millions of dollars per dress...
I mean why not both? Would be interesting if he could get the yeast to produce both casein and spider silk proteins to see if it makes a better fiber.
Well, better is relative but I would hope it does have use cases.
SPIDER MILK... wait no
I suspect the rope would be stronger when twisted together instead of braiding, possibly might even beat the wool tensile strength test!
@@ValleysOfRain??
Yeah, they could make a scaled down version of the rope making machine the king of random put out a long time ago
@@cornonjacob There's a small rope winder on thingiverse I've printed and used (thing:2255317) to pretty good results, though I had to make a little winder to use on the other end of the rope which it lacks. It wouldn't be complicated for them to design that.
@@mars5train601 Hmm, interesting UI bug. I had originally responded to a comment about the use of foodstuffs to make materials and fuels vs use as actual food.
Milk yarm is by far one of my favorite types of yarn to use for my crocheting. It helps thats its cheap and soft too.
A bit late for this, but if you replace the syringe pump linear actuator with a pneumatic plug instead you will be able to get more pressure out of it and should be able to get a slightly more even dispense rate too. If you go with a steel syringe (or a steel tube with a lure fitting on it) you would be able to put a ton more pressure on it. Also, you could go with a smaller needle tip if instead of using a constant diameter needle tip you went with a conical tip.
The meat robot now has milk clothes... this just keeps getting better
I'm so glad you picked chaotic neutral instead of chaotic evil.
Wonderful video, as always.
Let's be real, if thought emporium was chaotic evil, he'd have already defeated batman and taken over Gotham city.
Your channel is insane, every new video is so incredible!
“Those are nice socks, what are they made of?” “Milk.”
You have to find a way to feed this machine into one of those circular knitting machines, thus creating a device that you pour milk into and spits out socks
CircularKnitic is a good Open Source design. There are some others out there as well if i remember correctly.
So as a seamstress I found this extra interesting because formaldehyde is frequently used as a fabric preservative (that's why your dropshipped shein clothes smell like fish when you first open the package) and I didn't realize that it could be used to bind fibers, too!
As a fiber crafter this was super fascinating to me. I'd love to see more biodegradable fiber options on the market.
this is amazing stuff, i learn a lot. thanks for your efforts.
If somebody wonders how lactose intolerant people are supposed to handle this: Remember, he has a homebrewed pill for that. 👀
Definitely safe. FDA loves it. 100% wow.
You also don't typically eat yarn
Handling milk products isn't an issue for lactose-intolerant people, you have to consume it.
What about the anaphylactically allergic people? It would actually be deadly to them 😢
@@inventorbrothers7053 absolutely yes but that's not what's being discussed here re his lactose intolerance. That'd be more similar to e.g. people that have latex allergies that have reactions to gloves and condoms and so on
@@inventorbrothers7053again, usually have to consume it and as allergy would usually come from a particular molecule or protein in milk. Chances are the antigen is either all bound up or not present in milk yarn 😊
On your wet spinning machine you should add a spreader on the final spool so it fills up layer by layer (like a fishing reel does). this would also allow each layer to air out a bit more to speed up the drying process, and would make it neater and easier to unspool. You could add a drying spool, essentailly similar to the final spool but with a warm air feed through the centre, before winding onto the final spool.
Adapting spooler designs from FDM 3D Printing Filament Making Machines may work.
That one channel “Mr. Innovative” or whatever (I’ll double check the name) has all sorts of interesting threadwork related tools which may have a good spooler design.
I've been following you from biohacking to turning milk into yarn. I can honestly say I never know what will come up on your channel next
0:10 you did what??
I literally screamed “WHAT??”
First there was choccy milk. Now there is socky milk 😊
My favourite yarn to crochet with is actually the milk cotton yarn that was showcased in the video! It’s super soft and nice to work with
Just waiting for Nilered to turn these socks back into milk
when you get data logging working on that stress/strain stand, you might notice a bit of toe-in from the clamps settling and gripping.
you have to account for this by taking the force at which it starts behaving linearly and back-projecting that line to meet 0,0 without changing the vertical (strain) axis
Doesnt kgf mean kilogram-force, instead of kilograms per foot?
The video is very cool, it makes sense that this would work, but it's still very interesting to think about milk being turned into fibers!
was going to say the same :)
12 hours ago? mom pick me up i'm scared
yeah I don’t understand how you would mix kg with feet. it’s definitely kg force
I'm pretty sure "per foot" was because he made all the test samples around a foot long. The device just measures pure force.
@@Hendlton the length doesn't matter when measuring the force. So it would be strange for him to include that in the unit. More likely he just made a mistake.
It's a very strange time for me to be hyperfixated on making yarn from nettle and dog/cat fur. Okay here we go
that's so awesome, i didn't know about nettle yarn but that sounds like an awesome use to improve the image of an otherwise loathed plant, despite its ecological importance..!
omg im not aloneee
Cool! I was planning on making thread from nettle but never thought of spinning it. Now I'm even more tempted to get myself a drop spindle...
Yarn is addictive
With equipment like this, once it’s open source, you could make your own Rayon and (potentially) keratin silk!
(That combined with the diy/open source Looms, Circular Knitting Machines (CircularKnitic), and just good old fashioned needles+sewing machine etc you can some MAJOR theeadwork)
Dude, chemistry is absolute fantastic!
I'm allergic to casein. This fabric is my worst nightmare but it is so interesting to see you do this!
7:58 - i love how apparently nobody in the comments noticed or recognized this immediately lmfao. the bubbling machine that can be heard is a really important component of this synthesis, I wonder which 'watercooling bubble filter apparatus' was used. 😉
I was looking for this comment lol
Immediately went looking for the bong rip comment
I almost gave up scrolling to find this comment..
Needed that machine to make hemp
@@fernetstock1same 😂
No way are those workers putting their hands in sulfuric acid! Jesus!
Eh, it's the 30's when workers stuck their bare hands in sulfuric acid and movie snow was friable asbestos, those were the days...
Im gonna dip my balls in sulfuric acids
Doesn't really surprise me at all, stuff like this still happens today in mines in poor countries, spraying sulphuric acid without PPE
Back in the 30s work safety wasn't quite there yet
Back then if something didn't kill you instantly it was considered safe.
I’d be interested in seeing someone try spinning with this milk fiber- I could see it working quite well!
Really appreciate your hard work, patience and dedication. You are amazing!!
Every time I see a new upload, it feels like you are getting closer and closer to some sort of evil genius sci-fi utopia. It's usually a rather long time for each individual project, but the progress and implications are incredible. I can't wait to see you spin your carbon nanotubes yeast silk on this.
I saw this and thought it was going to be a spider silk update, as in this is how he is going to make a fibre from it.
@@thesoloveichiks159 did you see how he did not interact with the cows at all? This project just took advantage of the system in place, making no statements condemning nor approving the system in place. Seeing as this video focuses on biochemistry of milk and how it can be exploited, with some hints of development for other projects, I really fail to see how any sort of moral argument is relevant here.
Bro casually mentions he geneticly modified himself
I love you and your channel
As a chemistry fan bio stuff are konda complicated but just as fascinating
I genetically modify myself by getting sunburns haha! Cancer is a genetic modification 🌈
self upgrading
legend brilliant , just amazing video. Thank you, today has been rough for my cat and I. So this helps me so much.
We use a centrifuge to de-gas liquids for electrospinning! Hope this helps!
Neat! Synthetic threads are a big source of persistent microplastics. We have plenty of routes to replace them, now we just need enforcement.
This is awesome. I'm a knitter weaver, and spinner. It is the twist and number of plies in the final yarn that add strength. Really curious to see where this goes.
uk company, world of wool sells "milk protein top" for spinners. so cool to see it made though!
I appreciated the bong rip and lava lamp.
Casein can also be used to make a har durable plastic called Galalith. Goats and sheep milk is also on par with cows milk on Casein content, so you can have fibers from milk and wool. And in general Rayon can be produced from pretty much any good source of waste cellulose (so bamboo, hemp, other grasses, wood scraps, wheat/corn husks, recycled paper, etc).
I'd love if i could get my hands on some of that "wasted" milk and cheese so it doesn't just get wasted, i'd gladly eat tons of it
was not expecting the exploding milk jug graphic to make me burst out laughing
wow, usually its the other way around!! this video is amazing!
The bong rip in the middle was unexpected and hillarious
Thank you for raising this. I thought exactly the same six months ago. I am Italian and a chemist, and I always knew about lanital. Excess milk could be converted into fully biodegradable plastic that can be used for pretty much anything in the consumer market.
Formaldehyde was one of my favorite chemicals to work with! Love that stuff!
The timing on this was insane, I came home from a tissue engineering class on wet spinning, started making some Queso Fresco and then went upstairs and saw this in my suggestions. Creepy TH-cam Algorithm!
12:45 As a Structural engineer, I feel obligated to point out that "kgf" means kilograms of force, not kilograms per foot!😅 (1 kgf = 2.2 lb = 9.8 N)
I additionally feel the need to point out that the kgf has been deprecated for over 70 years because it's confusing and less logical/simple. Newtons were already made the standard over a decade before the formation of the SI.
i have knitted with milk fiber. very soft and squishy, pretty much indistinguishable from bog-standard acrylic or polyester
Do you think it would be easier to use a peristaltic pump instead of a plunger for the goop pusher?
It'd allow for larger batches, might let you get better pressure so you can spin finer fibers, should be easy to DIY, and should be able to handle whatever you put into it since the tube is sealed.
Edit: I realize there could be trouble with the pulsed nature of them after thinking about it more but maybe it could be handled by the steppers altering speed.
I absolutely love how this team goes to make everything they can by themselves in equipping the lab. Every bit of the experiment has a lot of thought put into it and it's always aiming to detect flaws and make improvements. Really awesome to watch and it also shows the process of R&D
That aggressive bong rip is fucking ridiculous lol
I wonder what percentage of the viewers didn't even get it😂
@@dante7228 Is there some context I don't understand, or is it really just a This-Old-Tony-style cutaway gag where the vacuum chamber gets a sound effect? It totally caught me off guard, and I have no idea why the lava lamp is there.
@@ldcent8482 that's a mouth operated vacuum chamber used for leisure 🤣
But if you don't know what it's about don't worry... It's kind of an insider joke anyway...
With videos like this I'm really hyped about possible "opensourse" future
I thought it was that other chemistry TH-cam channel but this is also good I'll sub I love this video's
All I can say is I'm very impressed. Every video from this channel has blown my mind, and the inner child in me goes "wow" every single time.
Awesome! I think if you actually spun the fibers on a spindle before braiding it would likely improve tensile performance tremendously.
I spin wool, and other fibers, and I also used to make jet engine parts and I feel like I could easily lose myself in correcting some parts of your process here. Cool video, I especially liked the very accurate depiction at 7:58
Too cool! I kept seeing "milk cotton" pop up since I'm into crochet, but i thought it was just a type of cotton yarn. I'm so psyched to try out milk cotton now! Also, those "noodles" reminded me way too much of worms. So gross.
0:22 cheese pizza 💀
This is a prototype for the spider beer isn’t it? We’re getting closer! I can’t wait!
The sponsor segment transition was sooooo smooth.
"Right now, it's just plain unadulterated cow juice"
Also my uneducated self has to ask if there is possibly a way to make it edible, cause I had never thought of a cheese sweater till now and now I kinda wanna be able to eat a cheese sweater
this video has immediately solved two pressing issues in my life
Why isn't it a video of Nile Red
because
Fr tho🤣🤣🤣
I clicked it thinking it was 😅
bong sound effect got my sub
I loved the cutaway to a lava lamp with a bong audio 😂
The force gauge measurement of "kilogram foot" you mention must obviously be an error. It will be measuring in Newtons, pound force, or kilogram force (kgf).
I loved the video, and your very impressive work on all your projects.
I’d love to see this fibre properly spun into a thread of some sort. I’m sure there there are several craftspeople on TH-cam who would be interested in collaborating to spin such a unique fibre.
Given the design is (going to be) Open Source, as long as you have the Funds and the Ability to Assemble Parts (Or join/make a Club or Makerspace for this), you can make and use one!
I wonder if the string could be made thinner by having the congealing bath gently pull it as it leaves the syringe. Perhaps put the blunt needle in the middle of a small pipe that the bath fluid is being recirculated through. Just guessing, but I think stretching while the polymer chains are still forming in a semi-gooey environment might do a better job of orienting them lengthwise so the string might have better tensile strength.
13:23 are you sure that that is reading kg/foot? I am pretty sure it is kg-force. kg/foot doesn't make sense dimensionally not does there seem to be a way for the force meter to input length.
Very interesting video. I didn't know that this was possible
Kind of a shame I had to scroll this far for this comment.
@@simtexaNot really a shame. It's a great video and I'm sure most people got the meaning of that segment. It's a tiny mistake :) just might be confusing for someone who isn't super sure of physics to follow along with.
5:56 Add a 3-axis to that syringe and you've got a 3D Printer
I’m doubtful on layer adhesion, but it’s worth a try! Printing in Gel (i forget the name, was it “FRESH”, used for bioprinting) may work.
I also saw a paper on using solvents that evaporate off and fans for Cellulose Acetate 3D Printing.
Would require tinkering and *probably* wouldn’t work, but again worth a try.
(Also “casting” or injection molding the casein plastic into 3D Printed or CNC Milled Molds could probably work as well)
You might wanna check out Robert Murray-Smith as he's done a couple of videos on milk plastics, though he didn't try to make fibers out of it. Two things to check out is that adding glycerin makes it not nearly as brittle, and that you can also use Tannic acid as a fixitive. Tannic acid is also found in tea so he made something impressive just in a really strong batch of tea.
ngl I want to try this. I'm sure I can improve upon the process to make thinner fibers
When I was a kid, I remember doing an experiment that turned milk into polymer. Using vinegar to separate out the casin. The resulting goop was pretty lumpy. But it was fun to make models with. Had no idea it could be used for yarn too!
I wonder how this will be implemented into the biorobot fish. Maybe a coasy sweater for it? Or fins?