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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ม.ค. 2022
- Trade secrets, showing you how to install a cctv camera cable through the wall cavity, no cables on show whatsoever!
Explaining the full cable routing process along with installing the HikVision cctv camera.
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Very helpful, I'm drilling by myself so, you processing alone let's me know what I really need to focus on to cut down on the work,thank you!
Excellent video mate, keep them coming
Great videos!
Very tidy work well done !!!
Lol i love how out of breath you were after getting rid of the spider, visions of battling large spider whilst armed with a rod length. Good video thanks
Absolutely terrifying 😅
Thank you sir. Very helpful 🙂
Please keep making these videos , a great help !
Appreciate the kind words!
Excellent Video
Thanks For bringing Great Content..👍👍👍👍👍🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰
Thanks Waqas!
Thank you
Nice video mate. Always been hesitant to run cables in cavity walls as some will say do, and some say don't?
The only reason I’d say don’t is if in future another person comes along and drills a hole through the wall not knowing there is a cable going up the cavity and damages your cable. If it’s a domestic always inform the customer to advise any future trades if drilling that there is a cable going directly up or down above/below the camera etc
Hi - great video. Lots of people elsewhere talk a lot about how difficult it is to drill horizontally into the cavity and then feed cable vertically. Your method of angling the drill up solves that. Well done. Quick question: I’m in a new build and it’s packed with insulation. I’ve bought rods - will I just need to force them up? Also, worth adding silicone to cover the hole to stop moisture getting in? Thanks so much!
Hi James! Yes just shove them in there, it’ll glide through the insulation we’ve done many before. Just make sure the rods aren’t too flexible, some of them are super bendy and others are really stiff, you just want a medium flex.
Yes silicone is a finishing touch, although if drilling upwards not too much of an issue for moisture, it just acts like a weep vent. Although always good practice to do do help keep the warmth in.
Great video, thanks for making it. It made me give it a go myself, but struggled a bit. I push the rods through but they're just not coming out the cavity in the loft. I think the rods might just be bending half way up the wall and flexing horizontally. Do you guys ever get problem or do you have specifically stiff rods to avoid that?
Good to hear you’ve given it a go!
Can you clearly see the cavity from the loft or is it full of insulation? When you hit the top of the cavity/roof the rods tend to bend. Unless you’ve hit something like a window lintel or similar. Where about’s have you drilled up from? Feel free to send images hikguru.yt@gmail.com
@@HikVisionGuru The cavity is clear and I've tried to go between windows with the holes. One of the holes was directly vertical the other was on about about a 10 degree angle. I'll send some pictures over, thanks.
Great video mate ! What kind of drill did you use to drill through cavity and what size bit
Just a basic SDS drill (dewalt), a normal hammer drill would do the trick although would take slightly longer to get through. If it’s just 1 cable going through then I’d use an 8mm diameter, and 420mm length (although you never usually need the full length but we use this to be safe). If it’s multiple cables around 4 cat6 cables we would go up to around 12mm diameter.
Thanks for this video, would this be the same procedure with a wall that's got foam ball insulation inbetween the cavity?
Hi Dan, yes the exact same procedure.
Hi. Great video. What grade cable should I use to put inside the cavity? Indoor, outdoor, shielded?
Also, most of the time do you always end up in the loft? Is there nothing blocking access through the cavity into the loft space at the top?
Good afternoon, to be fair you can use any of those cable types, it would class as indoors, we tend to use external cat5e/6 in all cases as that’s all we ever use. 99% of the time you end up in the loft, you would have to make sure from the loft that the top of the cavities aren’t bricked over, in next to all cases they aren’t.
@@HikVisionGuru perfect thank you!
Keep in mind that most cameras do not have enough space in them to house the cable and weather proof connector. Most will need a mounting box to store the extra bit of cable. A mounting box also allows you to quickly change out the camera without needing to drill new holes. Unless you drill a massive 1 inch hole all the way through the exterior wall to shove the cabling and connector into the wall cavity.
The vast majority of new HikVision cameras do now have the space required to fit the weatherproof connector. Older models you would struggle or it wouldn’t be possible whatsoever. Back boxes are still good to use, especially if you need that little bit of extra space, but most times where we can we fit camera direct to brick to make it nice and flush.
Thanks for the video. Any tips if with the external wall has been cement rendered and you cannot see the brick mortar or brick outline? I don't want to accidently drilled through the brick itself to run the cabling. Also the wall is double bricked and internal walls have been plasterboard over?
Hi! You’ll want to be careful, probably use a thinner drill piece first so not to crack any render, you’ll want to use the same process as shown in our videos, drilling up, and you’ll feel once you’ve gone through the first coarse of brick, then stop drilling and get the rods through and up. Just be super careful with the render go gently
@@HikVisionGuru Awesome thanks for the tip! Much appreciated.
Thanks!
Are you using outdoor cables to run through the cavity?
Yes we always use external grade cat5/6
Hi great video. Will this method work on most houses of feeding the cable into the loft? Thankyou.
Hi Scott, thanks. Yes in majority of cases it is fine.
@@HikVisionGuru thanks for your reply. When i installed mine i drilled straight through and put trunking on the inside wall which doesnt look the best. Im going to try this method next time. thankyou
Quick question, can you run cable like this in all type of houses for examples old Victorian building or is it the newer building etc.
Hi Sheraz, you certainly can yes, as long as there’s a 2 cavity you’re fine. Just get those rods through and push into that loft.
Hey. Great video and content. I've watched all of them!
How would I install a camera on the soffit and run the cable in the cavity if the DVR is in the living room downstairs?
Ideally want to avoid running cables internally through trunking and externally behind Downpipes etc.
Any help or suggestions greatly welcome.
Good to hear! Glad they’ve been useful
It would be similar to our cavity feed video, however you would drill your hole into the cavity from ground floor level or a foot or 2 above. Drill up into your cavity at the angle. Feed your rods up the cavity to the loft, then go up on your ladder to the soffit, drill a hole in the soffit big enough for a rod and cable, I usually do 30/40mm for ease. Now either, look if you can see the rod from the soffit hole that’s gone through your cavity and pull it through with the cable attached at the bottom. Or, push a few rods through your soffit hole into your loft. You’ll then go into your loft, you’ll see 2 sets of rods, your soffit rods and your cavity rods, pull your cavity rods up, tie the cable from your cavity rod onto your soffit rod. Go back outside, pull your soffit rod through with the cable, and that’s it. Then at ground level where you cavity hole is, drill straight through into your living room at the same height. Ideally do it all on a vertical mortar line to make it all inconspicuous, then you can fill over with sealant or mortar. Hopefully this helps, let me know if you need any further help
@HikVisionGuru spot on mate thank you. I suspected it might be something like that to be honest but wanted to check before I start turning walls into Swiss cheese 🤣🤣👍
🤣 do be careful, if you need advice on it at any point drop me a comment or email me with pictures and will assist
HikGuru.yt@gmail.com
Any chance you could make a video of running your cable from the loft to the TV using best route ??
Yes we can do, it would be pretty much identical to this video. The only difference would be you would drill up into the cavity much lower down on the wall, say if it was a downstairs tv, drill up at ground sort of height, from that hole drill some of the mortar out and drill straight through into the room with the tv, then pass your rods up to the loft, attach your cable, pull all cable down, then re rod and pass through hole into tv. Let me know if you still want a video.
Great tip. Fitted earials for over a decade and never thought of this!
Can you do a video of running cable from loft to tv desperately need one many thanks
I have a 2 story building, would this work? I live in USA and worried if I might encounter a fireblock. Also the crawl space is very bad at my place, barely could access the corners of the building from the attic.
Would appreciate it if you have any advice.
There’s only one way to find out I’m afraid, try it and see. We do see fire blocks or cavity capping at the top occasionally but not all too often, however that’s in the uk, as for the USA I’m not sure how common it is. Sometimes it can be useful to go up to roof tile height, remove a bottom tile and expose the cavity that way and you’ll have a much clearer view. From there you can feed your rods straight into the loft also.
Dear Hikguru,
I am going to drill at an angle and feed cables through to the loft for CCTV as shown in your utube video.
My cavity has insulation and I am sure there will be morter snots on the brick and block work.
Please could you inform me if these will cause me any issues and any tips to help me achieve my goal.
I really enjoyed your videos and found them very informative.
Kind Regards
Harry Purewal
Hi Harry, I hope you’re well.
If your rods ever get caught on mortar, use a hammer and hammer the rods in that normally breaks away any mortar snots
What fishing tool you using?
I seem to be struggling here
Hi Josh, if you type in cable rods into screwfix or Amazon or elsewhere you should find some. Here is a link to the ones we used from Amazon:
C.K T5410 Mighty Cable Rod Set, Set of 14 Pieces www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00LUPQ0IU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_3PY8BAHQT5JA3NP9PZBR?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Over the last couple of months I have been working back and forward in attics and the cavity at the top is always capped off. I am in Ireland. Do you think it’s just houses with red brick structurally built that it only works with ?
Thanks
Ah you’re joking me, what a pain in the back side! Must just be Ireland :P
It’s rare that I come across capped cavities over here, maybe once a month. New builds over here are never capped, we love those. Just sounds like they loved to cap cavities where you are working
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A final question for you, i am looking to purchase a POE switch, which i will use to power my cameras, can i simply attached a cable from that switch to my network router and also connect the NVR to the router and find the cameras that way? or do the cameras need to be plugged into the NVR?
Doing it the way you said will work, I’m not a big fan of IP cameras I prefer analog but it should work The way you described
Yes you can do it this way no problem at all, connect switch to router, connect NVR to router (or switch if you’ve room)
@@elliswatkins8271 thanks, why do you not favour IP cams?
@@HikVisionGuru Thanks!!
@@elliswatkins8271 i understand :)
Is this realistically doable on a two story house? From about 10ft from ground up to loft
Hi Mart, yes it sure is easily achievable at this height, we go from the ground floor height up to the loft space all the time with no issues
Just a question but as an estimate how many % of this type of cable fishing works?
Hi Jamie, I’d say 95% of the time it’s fine. The only thing that can stop you is if the top of the cavity on the loft is bricked over. In which case you would then need to remove a brick to access, bit tricky. Or if there is solid insulation in the cavity. Sometimes when you push the rods through to begin with it may get caught on some messy mortar on the inside of the brick, in which case it does help if you hammer the rod in a little just to break that bit of notated away that’s stopping you from proceeding further. Other than that there’s not much else that can go wrong.
@Hik Guru Without drilling a test hole. Are there any other signs that show the top of the cavity in the loft isn't bricked or had mortar filled in?
@@daviddrcray3802 probably by going into the loft and having a look
Do you have to go into the loft? Can you take the cable in a hallway?
You can run the wiring wherever you like, all depends on the property and how neat it would be, or if you can lift floorboards up etc
Any advice for this process but with a gable end?
Hi Tim, great question. You're going to struggle going straight up because obviously in the loft on a gable end, it is all just brick wall. You could potentially remove a brick to reveal the cavity in the loft and find your rod that way. If not, if you're fitting your camera on the corner of the building on the gable end, what we do is drill at a diagonal to the non gable side, then drill up into the cavity on that side, feeding the cables around that way. You can see us in action on a job on this video here showing this sort of process
Another Day On The Job - CCTV Installation
th-cam.com/video/7j2movfcENE/w-d-xo.html
@@HikVisionGuru I’ve got 2 ring camera/floodlights to fit front and back (both gable sides) so they need to be central, also a hardwired ring doorbell which is also on the gable side. Thinking of just using conduit for the floodlights but not sure about getting a wire up for the doorbell 🥴
You drilled that hole halfway up the house. How did the rods appear inside the loft space.
The rods entered the cavity space between the 2 courses of brick, and went all the way up to the loft space
Also how high off the ground should cameras be?
Whatever height you like, we tend to install at 2.5 to 3 metres, or if a Birds Eye view is needed then soffit/gutter height. All depends on the install and requirements
There were no obstructions behind the brick wall, that you can extend the cables straight to the attic? What is holding the wall to the building?
No obstructions, the only time you’ll get an obstruction is if the top of the cavity is capped over, which is rare. The wall is held to the building by a piece of string I believe
Kind regards
Barry
@@HikVisionGuru thanks!
Any chance you accidently drill into other wiring?
Very unlikely, just use common sense to check whether there’s any sockets nearby, or use a cable/pipe wall scanner
No Cavity space in the walls here, solid concrete or blocks with cement and rebar.
What if you were trying to fish a cable up a gable end into the loff?
Hi Col, great question. You’re going to struggle going straight up because obviously in the loft on a gable end, it is all just brick wall. You could potentially remove a brick to reveal the cavity in the loft and find your rod that way. If not, if you’re fitting your camera on the corner of the building on the gable end, what we do is drill at a diagonal to the non gable side, then drill up into the cavity on that side, feeding the cables around that way. Let me know if this helps if not I’ll do you a quick video
@@HikVisionGuru I get what your saying. Thanks for the reply.
@@colherron3680 actually we’ve got a snippet of this type of wiring on one of our TH-cam shorts video, link here if you wanted to see in a bit more detail
Another Day On The Job - CCTV Installation
th-cam.com/video/7j2movfcENE/w-d-xo.html
@@HikVisionGuru I will have a look. Do you have any videos of fishing a cable with a capped cavity?
hi, does it need power or just ethernet connection?
Hi, it depends on what camera system you have got. If you’ve got an IP based power over ethernet (poe) system then all you need is an Ethernet cable to the camera which then plugs into your NVR or similar. This provides data and power to the camera using the same cable (poe). If poe isn’t a viable option then there is also a 12vdc power jack for a local power supply.
If you are using analogue cameras then you need a separate cable for power.
@@HikVisionGuru thanks for that
Dumb question, but how do i know if i have a house with a cavity wall?
Unless you live in a wooden shed, then you’ll have a cavity wall. In the uk all external walls have a cavity
@@HikVisionGuru thanks for the quick response!
Greatvid, The spider you saw was probably female. Please don't kill them . i am scared to death of Spiders but without them we are fu@ked. Good imformative vid, thanks.
Thanks for the kind words Leon! Don’t worry, I just hurried it along haha!
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Where about’s are you based Shahmir? We aren’t currently recruiting but can add you to our occupancy waiting list.
@@HikVisionGuru quick question
I am planning to install wired security camera in patio(at this time, I completed rest of the cameras installation around the house) and drilling hole on the common wall shared by patio and 2 story house. I assumed to have cavity that leads wires to loft/attic. However, I have some hinderances of wood bars in between. Is it safe to drill through the wood and make the wires to attic?
Did I choose a wrong location? Please suggest
thx for that but please for the love of god .. CABLE TEST the RJ45 connecter before plugging it in. belive me you will regret it when there is a fault. I learned the hard way installing a home network.
"Don't leave it loose like -this (fxxking Sparks🤣)
Done the same job for Data ,but came up through the sofet, pulled in about 30 meters then dropped it down through some trunk . Clipped it all in on the wooden supports .
That’s the proper way to do it and not leave every dam cable loose in the lofts.
@@HikVisionGuru did student digs once for their AP's dropping the cable through pre drilled holes in August .
I was in that loft longer than Ann Frank ffs 😅
@@joncullen5382 🤣 nothing worse than being in some nasty loft