Is The Many Saints of Newark a Disappointment?
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So The Many Saints of Newark, Alan Taylor and David Chase’s prequel to The Sopranos, has been out for a while now, and fans of the show have been watching the film, discussing what they think, and coming to their own conclusions as to what they think of the movie.
I watched and reviewed the film a few days before it came out in the states, which was the first of October, and as I mentioned in my review, I was someone who went into the film mildly curious more than anything, even as a big Sopranos fan, because I didn’t think we needed a Sopranos film in any way, shape or form. After watching the film once in cinema, and rewatching a few scenes here and there, I like the movie - I thought it was good, not great, and not terrible. There’s a lot that could be improved, could be changed, but it’s one of those films where the more you think about it, the more you appreciate it. I went in with an open mind, I went in rooting for the film, and I came out overall satisfied.
For me at least anyway - I’m looking at reviews and reactions from hardcore Sopranos fans, and though it can be difficult to gauge the overall consensus of the Sopranos fandom, because the angry minority in any situation tend to often be the most focal, but I would say overall, Sopranos fans at this stage are disappointed with the movie, and their estimation of David Chase, as a film-maker, just ****ing plummeted.
So let’s have a casual discussion about the film. Consider this an extension of my review for the film, it’ll be worth checking that video out before you watch this one as I’ll try my best not to go over the same things I talked about there - spoiler alert obviously
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Did big Pharma Finance the movie? Because for a while it seemed like they were trying to sell pills
After so many years I guess people look different.
Sucked ...I stopped watching it was so bad.
The timeline was always messed up even before this movie and I personally found it quite woke with the underlying black power message where thsi black guy is killing all the Italian guys and getting away with it
I get the criticisms but guys you need to chill 🤣 this movie is not a bad movie what’s so ever . In a age of disappointment this movie didn’t disappoint. It’s just coming from a tv show and now a movie it shows how the sopranos shines the most as a show. Could the movie be better ? Sure but it’s definitely not a horrible movie .this criticism can either break David or make him
David Chase wanted to do a story about the Newark race riots. Warner wanted more Sopranos. This was the messy compromise.
Yeah I saw an interview where David says the race riots were his main motivation for the film
Well it’s no worse than eating grilled cheese off the radiator.
Very messy. Indeed
That's the best description of the movie I've seen so far.
@@Harry_S._Plinkett Phil spent 20 years in the can icyww
In terms of the movie, I feel like Silvio should’ve been seen after Tony was a teen instead of before. Feel it would’ve made a bit more sense.
Silvio was too old in this. It was established that he and Tony were childhood friends in the series. Idk why David Chase does stupid shit like this.
I agree, it made it seem like Syl was 20+ years older than Tony... On the series they look alot closer in age...
The guy in the movie who sounds like Silvio IS silvio?? Wtf
Silvio is 2 years older by seri s canon. They have daughters in school together for fucks sake.
Exactly! This actor looked older than Stevie did the first few years of he Sopranos. And that’s supposed to be 20 years later or more! I didn’t like the toupee scene. Silvio would never have been caught in a situation where that happens. And of course with Stevies car crash that caused the hair loss and scarring when he was young? Made me feel a little weird.
Dickie Moltisanti died before we got a chance to see him "singlehandedly take down the new england crew ".
LOU DIMAGGIO... THOSE OLD DOGS CAN STILL HUNT
"He took the war to them up there... only we're not going to show you that. Or anything else really cool we reference on the show.. like Feech LaManna's card game getting robbed."
Let's be real. This movie was a letdown in so many ways.
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It was fucking awful. Clunky and overstuffed, dialogue that needed about 15 more edits and a plot that should have been thrown out at the first meeting. It could hardly have been worse than it was.
there wasn't a plot, I kept wondering if the whole point was to see the tv trays.
@Laughing At You it would have been even worst the movie was all over the place and confusing
Laughing At You that being said, it's probably gonna win golden globes , academy awards, and whatever else these self aggrandizing phonies need to keep their egos intact.
Dicky was a psychopath. He killed his own father, took his father's wife for a girlfriend, and then killed her too. In the span of 6 seasons buffered with other details, the character could have been comparable to Tony Soprano on the series, but in the span of a 2 hour movie, he just seems like a psycho killer. Not enough development to see him as an antihero or anything remotely positive or complicated.
Whole movie was about Multisanti curse passed from Dicky to Tony to Chrissy signified by black crow in garage when Dicky kills Hollywood Dick and again when Chrissy geys made with crow at window
Dickie's father was played by Ray Liota, but the guy he was visiting in prison looked like Ray Liota also. I'm confused by that.
@@Dagoodnurse that wss his Uncle Sal Dickyd twin brother
Also, in what world would dickie be allowed to take his father's wife as a goomah and have it be socially acceptable by his associates
@@lkb1228 i think thats part of the reason June whacked Dicky or at least could be his excuse for it in a way
Magaro's Sylvio sounded like Benny doing an impression of Sylvio.
I thought the Sil character was the best part of the movie, but the movie relied too much on “ who can do the best impression” and it got old real fast, like with the woman who played livia.
I don't think the problem with Junior killing Dickie is because it was a petty reason or anything, I just think if you have not seen the Sopranos some random side character in the movie for like 10 minutes ends up killing the protagonist feels kind of weird.
Indeed. You needed to see the series to understand all the “in “ jokes and series. I absolutely want more of Dickie backstory etc. great character. I swear I was watching saying “yup Christopher got that from his dad”….but you had to see the series to appreciate it.
Also, Jilly Ruffalo was in the credits. So it seems Jilly is the one that Junior had kill Dickie.
I think most movies would show us why, this one we’re left to make assumptions based on characters and clues lol
@@michaelberry1382 That’s exactly what I told one of my friends. You can watch it fresh, but you really need to be a fan to appreciate it.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but in the series, doesn’t Christopher kill a newly retired cop who was responsible for killing his father?
Is this a flaw in the movie?
They got Junior 100% right, this was a totally believable thing he did.
He'd kill someone because he fell over and they laughed at him? Behave yourself
Junior wasn’t 6’4” bro what TF are you talking about.
Yeah he’s so petty
True, but their still made for a stupid story. This movie was a total waste of time. A disgrace.
@@hedgedrisk people sometimes shrink with age...
I was so confused when Silvio looked older in this movie than he did in the show 😂
It's kinda sad because i feel like Chase&co kinda blew it with this one. This movie is getting TERRIBLE reviews by audience members and critics alike and that doesn't bode well for any future projects. Let me just say i thought the movie was a ok, definitely not great or memorable but it had its moments. I just hope that HBO doesn't jump ship and cans any future Soprano projects because of reception this project is getting. In a time where gangster films are pretty much on the brink of death i would hate to see the genre go out like this. I think i feel the worst for Michael Gandolfini, i thought he did an excellent job on most his scenes and i would've loved to see him get more of a challenge instead of being put in a corner as a side character because Chase was obviously too much of a coward to actually take a chance on this young actor. The pieces were all there but for some reason they just didn't utilize them. I'm crossing my fingers for a sequel and lets hope Chase actually writes it himself this time instead of asking these hacky writers to do it with him. I think it seriously affected the material in a bad way. Some scenes are classic Chase while others are just utter garbage.
It should have had Hesh and incorporated his story was a music producer
@Talcum X Hesh is Jewish and would not attend a Roman Catholic confirmation. He is mentioned though
That would have been a better way of dealing with the racial tensions and really dig into that area where the mob screwed over young black artists
I know Harold referred to the problem kid who was robbing them as "Overall" which in the show "Tony made his bones with Willie Overall" "some dead fuckin bookie." It would make more sense if Harold had been that guy. This should never have been a film to begin with if we're being honest, Silvio was not that much older than Tony, idk it really was sort of pointless. It would have made sense to give Paulie the screen time over Silvio, as Paulie always was older and "went back to Johnny and the old days." I did think that the cop who asks Dickie if he thought the protests were funny looked a lot like he was casted because he looked like a younger version of the cop Christopher kills in the show.
I had an issue with Silvio’s age as well.
I had a issue with everything, wtf was the purpose of Harold? Why was the focus so much on him, and not the actual ppl we want to see.. he could’ve been more of a side character.. like briefly mentioned.. I don’t know, it just felt like something else, but not The Sopranos prequel we all deserve.
Maybe somebody will break it all down, and show all the connections- make it make sense.
@@MidTierVillain honestly, I think it was to show a person of color “beat the system” if you will. I don’t see any other reason
@@timstradley5819 it kind of felt like it was inspired by Bumpy Johnson’s story, but I don’t get it.. where in the Sopranos series was there a focus on black gangsters, besides that record company part with Hesh? I hope there’s a part two, because this was disappointing.
I agree it was pointless. Tho Dicki was a compelling character, Tony hardly if ever talked about him in sopranos. He talked about his dad mom and uncle more.
Tony was a copy of dicky ie being a "good person", spoiling his gummod, being a leader. Tony didn't talk about him much in sopranos so this show seems pointless.
The Making of A Varsity Athlete: A Soprano’s Prequel
Very Allegorical.
Additional varsity athlete reference. Varsity athlete, the makings of, didn't have. Comment varsity athlete.
So proud of Michael Gandolfini he really was great and overshot my expectations completely his dad would be so proud
I think the film made Dickie too ambiguous a character to be just perceived as "the one good influence Tony could have had".
In some ways I think Dickie's bottled up anger and resentment prolly made him more of a sociopath than the loud mouths with their bravados.
Dickie after all was the guy who murdered his own father in a rage fit, was very controlling of women through manipulation instead of violence, and ofc literally drowned his mistress again in a rage fit, when he was the one at fault for her fucking with the black dude.
For me, the biggest problem this movie had is Dickie Moltisanti's motives in the first place, and the two Ray Liotta characters. I mean, what was that?! Who the hell is that other guy who looks like his dad?! Is he even real? If so, why is Dickie talking to him now? But the biggest problem I had with the plot was the Harold McBrayer character.
Who the hell is Harold McBrayer and how could he have possibly won a turf war with the mob when they would've been at their absolute apex of power and wealth in New York/New Jersey in the 1970s? That's just preposterous. The mob couldn't have lost a territorial power struggle to an upstart if they tried bacK in those days. That's how much of a nationwide superpower Cosa Nostra had become by that point in American history. Meyer Lansky said it himself- The mob was bigger than US Steel in those days!
Now, some things I liked....
*I absolutely, 100%, without a doubt, loved Junior killing Dickie.* It made total sense. It was the most Sopranos thing in the world because the characters in the show never got killed for logical plot or story reasons. It was almost always for petty, personal slights that had nothing to do with the main storylines that were going on that pushed guys to kill one another. It was always personal, private bullshit no one was aware of that happened behind closed doors-
Livia wanting Tony killed for talking about his mother with a psychiatrist; Janice killing Richie for not being able to bankroll her lavish wedding and bigger house than Tony's; Tony killing Ralph over a horse; Phil Leotardo whacking Doc Santoro for eating off his plate; Christopher killing JT Dolan for not listening to him drunkenly complain about Paulie; Butch ending the war over Phil blowing him off and inconveniencing him by wandering into Chinatown; etc. That part was beautiful. It was perfectly Sopranos.
Lastly, it was also 100% in keeping with the TV series to see Tony's reaction to Dickie's death. Five minutes earlier, he was tossing his speakers out of his window saying he wants nothing to do with his uncle ever again, and at his funeral he's shown forgiving him completely and going into "high sentimentality mode" as Melfi would later call it.
It had it's redeeming qualities and it's aspects that were in keeping with the series, but it also had way too many WTF moments for it to be completely satisfying at the same time.
Janice killed Richie because he hit her. Was not about money.
Britton
Well said ‼️
I'm sorry but that was NOT a good movie, not even a good Sopranos homage.
I've watched the show more than anybody, so let me tell you a couple of three things ;
The whole plot with the blacks was absolutely idiotic and forced. These people have NO BUSINESS being in this tv show, and yet the whole storyline revolved around these morons.
The whole thing felt engineered from A to Z, because guess what ? It was.
David Chase wants an Oscar, and Oscars now require the cast to be 30% BLACK, regardless if the plot becomes moronic or not ( think The Last Samurai with 30% charcoal briquettes ).
I wanted a Sopranos movie, and all I got was moolinians whining from the very beginning of the film
The issue is it’s a movie that should’ve of been a whole season. It’s not bad it’s just 2 hours isn’t enough for the story. I enjoyed it but a full 13 episode season would made it a lot better.
I was disappointed. It wasn’t aggressively bad or anything, but it was just very bland to me. It felt like a generic TV mob movie with none of the personality or depth of the show. I understand that two hours isn’t much time, but plenty of other movies have been able to establish deep characters and tell a fleshed out story in that amount of time.
A big problem for me was that the plot was incredibly barebones. There were no real stakes to pull the viewer into the narrative. That would have been fine if it had worked as a character piece, but I don’t think we ever really got to know the characters well enough to be invested in their personal struggles and development.
2 hours was plenty of time for Donnie Brasco, Goodfellas and A Bronx Tale. That’s no excuse for poor writing.
It was a disappointment. Seemed like the good actors had a terrible script to work with, and the bad actors were just doing impersonations of the more eccentric characters from the show. Despite who it offends, i even think Ray Liotta was pretty bad in both roles.
I think ray liotta as dickies uncle was pretty good
Chase clearly wanted to make a blm movie about the Newark riots. He should've made a sopranos film with caviot that they would allow him a Newark riot film after
BLM movie? How because it has black people in the movie. 😂
Wtf are you talking about lmao
@@user-fm3xr9yz3i I mean Hollywood is full of lefties that defended violent riot's. Chase clearly wanted to make a film justifying all that
@@mikefloyd3152 Bro what??? You realize Chase grew up around the newark riots and has always been interested in the newark riots? He's been wanting to make a film about it for years, even back in his film school days.
@@OMGYasuke he's 77 he's too late besides he has to leave black artists tell their story like Chase told his Italian-American story / Side note Imperioli doesn't identify as white .........he's a wackjob
They are 100% coming out with a TV series on HBO that revolves around Tony’s youth and getting into organized crime. Scott Burnstein who wrote Phil Leonetti’s book “Mafia Prince” confirmed it a couple weeks ago on his podcast.
.....and it was revealed somewhere D. Chase had already signed up 5 year deal with HBO before the movie came out.
To use this as a vehicle to introduce that, is the worst kind of money grab. It obviously is setting Harold up for his own series. They might spin this thing off into infinity li,e they plan to do with Star Wars. They’ve got a whole new generation of young people who didnt see the original and aren’t used to quality products. It will all be hype and pseudo intellectualism. They’ll hype this up and the new kids will go back and watch the originals and it will be on the today show and everybody will make lots of money on the bastardization of an American classic!
Does anyone know if Dickie was a made guy ? It’s never explained but it’s apparent to me that’s how he was portrayed. If he was made, who did Junior get the green light from to have him whacked ? Junior risked his own life to kill Dickie over laughing doesn’t seem right to me.
He wasn't made. He was an associate like his father.
@@superchitownhustler I hate it even more now if that’s the case
@@joeb3949 This movie is crap, it doesn't make any sense.
Lol, Junior didn't tell Palmice to kill that guy because "he didn't like the way he talked" but because he thought he talked too much and might give secrets away.
I remember distinctly from the Sopranos Christopher telling Tony “…the truth is that Dickie Moltisanti, your hero, my father, was nothing more than a fu-ing junkie.” Or words to that effect. So what happened to this in the movie? Was Dickie on the needle?
The pills in his jacket. The ones Tony asked him to get for his mother that later Livia would chastise him as weak and a pussy at his own funeral. This attitude is imparted on Tony by his mother and comes out a lot in the series. He told that to Christopher to shame him but it was his projection.
DON'T SEE IT - there is LESS than 12 minutes of the young Tony Soprano in the entire movie! In fact it is NOT about him. The Trailer totally misrepresents this film. The advertising on this is a bait-and-switch.
There is more to the Dickie killing than just Juniors orchestrating the hit. If you look at the credits, Jilly Rufolo is listed in the cast. But the scenes between junior going to Jilly to do the hit were cut from the film in order I presume to add more shock value to the reveal at the end. Dickie even says in the beginning of the film when he smacks around the street gang youth who asks “who are you?” Dickie replies, “the guy who took a guys eye out once for talking to him that way”. So it was Jilly who got Barry Haydue to do the hit not just on behalf of Junior and his insecurities, but for revenge for gouging out his eye “so bad he couldn’t even get fitted for a fake eye” as Tony tells Christopher in the series. It was Jilly on the phone telling Junior it’s done. The voice is that of Ed Marinaro who played Jilly.
I felt the exact same way about Silvio, I thought he played it up way too much but at the same time, couldn't win either way.
Probably one of the more insightful reviews I've come across on TH-cam. Now you've got me scared about all the rest of them, CineRanter.
Particularly glad to know someone else felt a disjunct in Silvio Dante's portrayal in the film as an elder to Tony Soprano, and not an age-contemporary. According to "Sopranos" canon, SD is established as being born in June 1957. This would make the character all of ten years old by the time of the events portrayed in "Many Saints". This bothered me more than John Magaro's performance, honestly. It was entirely plausible that SD was always a crazy bastard, but with less refinement when he started out in the business. That one detail, though, is like a nail left sitting straight up on a train-track: Once you see it, you wonder how bad the result of its presence will have on the rest of the enterprise. Thankfully, the driveby quality of the narrative guaranteed that we wouldn't have to brood on the question of Silvio for TOO much time.
I’m glad you also thought Sylvio’s age was weird. I can see them all getting away with it by being punk kids, giving the right people their money back, not hurting anyone, and cause Johnny Boy was Tony’s father. If Sylvio was in his 30’s by that point and had been in the mob for 10+ years it’s hard to imagine him not getting whacked because he should have known better. The whole plan seemed pretty hotheaded too, which again would have made sense if they were all like 20, but Sylvio was always the most level headed character, so how did he get talked into robbing that game. Unless was he the mastermind all along and planned it solely as a way of getting respect? I totally wanna see a mini series being made starting right after Dickie’s funeral, but focused around young Tony
Personally, I didn’t expect an epic or an instant classic and I’m not mad at what we got. I do think they should continue with a limited series.
Junior killing dickie and Michael’s performance as tony are the two redeeming things
If this was part of a prequel trilogy, then I think I can live with this movie. If not, it completely stunk and was a disappointment.
You hit the nail on the head. There’s too much to the Sopranos to try and jam pack everything in just a movie. It was doomed before it started.
The movie is enjoyable if you’re a hardcore fan I guess, if not it’s pretty unwatchable. I didn’t expect it to be great but I also didn’t expect it to be so boring. Having Gandolfinis son play him was definitely a mistake
Loved the film, personally. Just two things that bothered me...
*Spoilers*
1) Giuseppina confessing about her affair with Harold. It seemed uncharacteristically naive to me, and maybe I missed something, but couldn't see why she did it - other than sheer honesty I guess, but come on. She's spent enough time around these guys to know that honesty (and forgiveness) is an alien concept to them, but cruelty is their bread and butter. It leads to the turning point of the movie, so the fact that it didn't really work (for me at least) was a problem. And it felt like a detraction to her character, rushed through for the sake of Dickie's development.
2) As mentioned in the video, the age of Silvio in particular (maybe Big Puss also). That was really weird. It strains credulity that he'd be so subservient and in thrall to the adult Tony, whereas the other guys with a significant age gap (Paulie, Feech, Richie, Hesh) are either habitually disloyal, regularly seethe about his behaviour or overtly test his authority. All traits that you'd expect from people who're under the command of someone far younger.
Just looked it up and surprisingly Steven Van Zandt is 11 years older than James Gandolfini (and another five again for Vincent Pastore), but Silvio had been written as a contemporary of Tony, and the way they've shown this relationship in the film really feels like a mistake.
Other than those issues, though... My mum's a big Sopranos fan so we saw it together, and haven't spent so long discussing a film afterwards in years. It's loaded with the oodles of subtext, character nuance and foreshadowing/callbacks that made the show so unique. You just don't see this incredible storytelling chemistry anywhere else. I'd missed it - and loved seeing it on the big screen.
Well, I have a hunch that there will be a sequel to the prequel, but a limited series? It might be hard. Remember that Corey Stall had signed on to Billions. His Mike Prince character is replacing Damian Lewis's Bobby Axelrod character, so it will be hard for him to be Uncle Junior and Mike Prince at the same time.
Dickie visiting his uncle, his dad's twin brother, in prison seemed like he was going to "therapy."
How was his uncle still breathing if he killed a made guy in the family?
The thing thats so frustrating about Silvio is that they could’ve made it work if they made him look the same age as Pussy. Pussy looked like he was early 20s in the movie, which would make him 6-7 years older than Tony (10 max). In the first season of the show tony is late 30s or around 40 and Pussy looks mid-late 40s, maybe even early 50s. so it works.
But they casted a *38 year old man* to play Sil and then made him bald in the same scene where Tony was a prepubescent kid. I don’t understand what the hell they were thinking.
There are two main things about this movie that ruined this movie for me. First, the marketing for this movie made it seem like this was going to be a Tony Soprano movie. I loved Dickie's story but felt completely betrayed by the producers. Second, what the hell was the point of Harold's storyline if they weren't even going to expand on it? It was so short that it felt like a complete waste of time.
This needs to be a series. Cramming so much in 2 hours is pointless. No chance for any character development. Everyone is just frozen in time.
The sopranos made tv shows a superior form of entertainment over movies. One movie is not enough time to hold the great writing, the humanizing characters and the based gritty realism that the original sopranos provided. The movie was amazing cause I wanted to see soooo much more
The scene that made no sense to me was when tony and his friends beat up the ice cream truck guy, stole his truck and gave kids free ice cream.
That would result in jail time 100 percent of the time. Juvenile hall sentences anyway. It wouldn't matter if the driver didnt want to press charges out of fear. The police would arrest them anyway for grand theft auto, assault, robbery, theft, the lot.
Dumb writing. So scenes don't mean anything now? It focused on him almost getting kicked out of school for cheating, that was a real consequence scenario.
The ice cream truck scene went to no consequence comedy movie shit like Revenge of the Nerds movies. Stupid.
And, the actors all looked the same. At least the wives did. I had to concentrate on which wife was which.
i don't think you realize the power of the mafia back then, especially in north jersey
@@Zeta_Reticulian I probably don't.
I think David chase didn't want this to turn into the "Irishman" saga. The fuckin thing dragged and dragged.
I haven’t read all the comments but just tossing couple of observations. The film was, on its own, a great prequel story, only arriving at that view as I did my best to drop as much of my expectations of references from the series. A great Easter egg was David Chase playing Uncle Erkel (Hercules), though he doesn’t resemble George Raft as Junior had described him. Great insertion in this film I’m sure many may have missed. Also, Dickie’s shooter could still have been that on-the-take-cop that Christopher whacked the night of his retirement party (with a David Chase written episode of Magnum PI playing on tv). Lastly, after watching the movie a second time I appreciated it more. I’m sure I’ll rewatch again soon.
Chase was playing Ercole DiMeo, "the old man" of the DiMeo family, not Uncle Ercole Soprano.
The timeline was inconsistent with a lot of the characters' ages. David Chase didn't even revise The Sopranos series before making the script and the fanbase on Reddit is picking the film apart.
Did anyone else notice how when young carmela fell to the ground she made the same sound, in the tv show when she fell on the ground?
The comments here are sad. There will be another sequel or series to this and more will make sense. Something bigger is being built. This was a spin off story. People want everything to be just like The Sopranos right away. In time I think this movie will be much more appreciated. It's been so long since we last were in this world. It's a lot like when George Lucas started doing Star Wars again. People freaked out about it all at first and plenty of people disliked but a lot of people hung in there and overall I'm glad these guys make this stuff.
...I agree...Chase already signed a deal with HBO, I hope it's for series instead of movies.
I hated the ending… but it makes sense, the mob is gonna beef it it with Harold, and Tony is going to kill Harold… all the Easter eggs were awesome tho.
My favorite line was: Some babies come into this world knowing things from the other side. - old lady, this was an Easter egg to Tony killing Christopher lol
I completely agree that it needed to be a short series instead of a 2 hour movie
Kinda liked da Movie Definitely have to make a Sequel hopefully at least a Trilogy we need a lot a lot a lot more freakin Tony, there is still a lot more of Tony to Know, being a Solder,being Made,gettin respect,being a Capo Regime,being an UnderBoss,and Finally a Boss
They have to make more movies and keep the story going i think we will appreciate it more ! Definitely should of been a series.
Honestly, except some good acting by some actors, I thought it was absolute garbage, italian clichés all the time, black power propaganda all over, 0 focus on tony, absolutely garbage, and I would never associate this trash with the legendary best series of all time!
Much like The Godfather 3 it’s a good movie, just misunderstood and under appreciated for it’s time.
With all these shitty movies and remakes coming out, it’s good to have a movie like this out now
You know, when you put like that, in regards to Hollywood doing all these corny remakes, I highly agree...
@@loyaltyfamilyfirst I think the fact that the movie leaves you wanting more is a good sign already, and with those gaps in time there’s room for more lore to be explored in a mini series.
this should it be a limited Series! like 6-8 episodes to get to know, the new Characters and get to back to the Characters from the Original show.
Honestly I thought it was a great movie although the one slight is that Tony Soprano was not a big part of the movie but then again I hope that this does well enough to make a sequel and which Tony will be the star of the movie and its first steps in the criminal underworld and I hope that they'll be a Trilogy into third and final film about him becoming an adult and the possible Anniston mysterious final scene of The Sopranos in which whether not Tony died or not
Harold's part was useless, I wanted to learn about the sopranos.
I didn't expect it to live up to the lofty expectations one should have given that it was billed as the prequel to the greatest show of all time. I expected it, at least, to be a decent mob movie and it wasn't. The plot seemed contrived and thrown together. There wasn't enough time spent on characters Sopranos fans would care about. To me, this came off like the Star Wars saga. Movies 4, 5, and 6 being like the Sopranos series, and movies 1, 2, and 3 being The Many Saints of Newark.
I loved Silvio's character and I think he's shown a sympathy for Tony in many saints. That I could imagine was used to Tony's advantage when soliciting help to rob that card game and it makes sense that Paulie wouldn't go since he's generally apathetic to everything
The story is centered around Dicky, aside from Tony it's not really meant to show development from the other characters. The Sopranos as a show provides tons of character development with it's characters because it was a long running show that had the luxury of having 6 seasons to tell it's stroy. I went into the movie knowing that Paulie, Pussy and Silvio etc. weren't going to get many scenes since it's only a movie and it only has a limited time frame to work with. Making this story into a show wouldn't really have made much sense since the story of Dicky wouldn't take that long to tell. While it would be nice to see other characters in their youth it would only be seen as a cash grab by most fans.
I'm sure this will be a hot take but I can see in a few years this movie being looked at more fondly than it is right now.
i guess nobody really respected dickie because at the end of the movie we see harold is still alive and well
Chase should have focused on one element of the movie rather than telling 3 stories at the same time. It would have been great film if it focused solely on the the development of tony and the role of Dickey in his entry to organized crime or if it was a story of Dickie vs Harold. I felt like there were too many storylines going on and the storylines were barely explained. Also, I was confused as to how Harold came successful at the end . Wouldn’t Harold be blamed for the death of Dickie by the family? Just knowing the sopranos there would have been some confrontation.
Excellent video. I wholeheartedly agree this should have been a prequel show. HBO is already doing it with GOT.
I liked the film, but the plot seemed disjointed, it seemed like it had no direction, and when it finally started to get going, it ended, it was slowly paced and not a lot happened in it despite it being almost 2 hours. The film however left me wanting more, so I certainly hope there is more to come.
I actually love the Dickie Moltisanti character and I really like the Many Saints movie. I noticed my 17 year old daughter and her friend loved the movie, but the Sopranos vets I know are disappointed. You'd never be happy comparing it to Sopranos and it's tough doing Easter eggs without reaching. It's just the story of a nutty gangster and his downfall and I thought it was well done with superb acting.
I think a tv series could work. All the actors in the film are TV actors, so they could do great.
As a sopranos movie it was ok at best...as a stand alone mob movie? One of the worst ever
Just got back from the Theater. After some serious, serious binge watching Soprano sessions, it’s like it felt underwhelming. I think they should have made a show or at least a mini-series focusing on the past. 2 hours just didn’t do it justice when we got used to getting more than 60, one hour mini movies with each episode…
But it wasn’t bad by any means. Just too much to cover in such a short time frame…
That pillshit with the mom was never gonna work anyways unless hes snuck it to her every time, which would never happen.
The Silvio portrayal was rough. The timeline didnt make sense at all either. Still glad it came out.
Dude, spot on! I mostly liked what I saw, but weird choices as to who/what to focus on! If we get another movie or series that gives us more of what we wanted (following up with Tony’s rise in respect and influence), Many Saints of Newark can be more appreciated as it’s own thing.
This should have been a series in itself...it just scratched the surface...Silvio was such a ham...no reason really to be so over-the-top....the young Tony brought back great memories of his father James Gandolfini...the movie was ok really..wouldnt mind a sequel or a complete tv series after this...would be fun...the best part of the movie was when the Sopranos music fades in slowly in the end..that was kickass and nostalgic!!
The movie is about the influence people have with their love ones (Livia who had her moments as a loving wife until johnny boy soured her up forever... and I think is clear she had a thing for dicky (a better man); dicky with his father and then finding a better mentor in his uncle; even italians are shown setting the example for the black guy to become mafiosos. Junior was the shitty influence that turned tony into tony and tony the one that fucked up chris. Had Dicky being around, the guy who was searching for "doing something good", both of them would have had the "right" influence and their lifes. Instead tony was left with junior (because of junior) and chris with tony.
Plus the two life threatening situations tony had in the show were because of junior too trying to kill him. And the whole of tony's arc is dangling between being the family guy and the mob guy, dilemma which know we know is because of Junior. He is the main villian of the whole thing I guess (and the whole varsity athlete quote also also means a lot since Tony's insecurity started with the guy that put him on the life). I don't think we need to see more. The ending of the Sopranos was basically: Tony is death but we don't know for sure who did it. The whole horror scene of the family looking at his corpse is ours to make in our minds. Here dicky dies but we don't know for sure if it was paulie or the cop. And the whole lifetime of junior being a bullshit mentor playing ball with tony is also ours to make. Great of terrible I felt the movie was well rounded and more releases would be overkill of the concept, since they would have to start from scratch a new theme to explore.
It's good to be in something from the ground floor......I'm getting the feeling that I came in at the end
Sure a series would be better. But can't you say that about most character driven shows? Chase made a convoluted film that had little to do with the main character. The narrator says he likes the film but he critiques the movie he wanted to see not the one Chase made. It was a bit of a cheat really to focus on the Newark riots. The mob aspect was secondary
Dickie is the only character worth exploring, the rest i don't care for. I'm calling for a prequel to the prequel.
I knew this was gonna be crap as soon as they revealed the actor who plays Dickie. He has the worst "Hohhhhhh" ever spoken.
I really hope there is a sequel or they do a tv show. Everyone hating on it for dumbass reasons probably won’t help that tho. I really like the movie as a big fan of the show. Even getting a glimpse of these characters was awesome. Definitely left me wanting more.
Casting was good, just pacing felt bad. It may have been I had a wrong opinion on what the movie was about going into it.
I'm going to watch it again to see if it hits different; but they had to be planning a sequel otherwise the ending is bad imo.
"Post credit scene" could of filled a blank if tony shot Harold to "avenge" Dicky. That closes that story arc and officially pushes him into the mafia for the audience.
The timeline is all messed in the movie Silvio is only 2 years older than Tony and big pus is. 5 years older than Tony. Doesn't make sense they were in the mob in their 20's when Tony was like 10
Should have been a limited series just as this video said. I saw the movie and wondered how none of the Aprile family played a major role. They ran the family at the start of the sopranos.
I always thought Silvio was acting the part of a movie gangster, he was supposed to be over-the-top. I'm guessing Steve Van Zandt saw the character that way, and David Chase too, or he would have told Van Zandt to tone it down
I enjoyed it. So many people complaining. It wasn't a masterpiece but did anyone think it would be? But hey.. I'm biased. I'm an Italian/ Sicilian American born and raised in Jersey. I love the Mob genre. I enjoyed the Irishman also with so many people complaining about that too. I am happy to have gotten something from David Chase after all these years and looking forward to what may come next.
It’s literally EL Camino. Breaking Bad and The Sopranos suffered the same fate…
El Camino wasn’t great but it was done far better than this.
The youtuber leeches are really out to get as many views as possible with The Saints of Newark movie. NO, it wasn't a disappointment if you see it as a prequel film. The FIRST of the prequel films. The film was 2 hours long, not 6 fucking seasons ad 86 episodes long - so all the crybabies whining and claiming the movie barely covers anything, what did it set out to cover that it didn't cover? The goal of the film was to set the concept that Dickie Moltisanti was the catalyst for Tony becoming involved in the crime family. It absolutely did that. It hit that target from start to finish. Literally down to the last scene.
Then you have the morons who are pissing and crying that the film is too "woke". The feminism in Giuseppina is a little contrived and she contradicts herself quite a few times throughout the film (including towards the end) but David Chase has been playing with the theme of hypocritical feminism since very early in the series. Janice, Meadow and Carmela are all prime examples of "Strong, take-no-shit, Independent Women" who go crawling back to traditional female roles the second the they need something or smell money. Giuseppina was a continuation on that theme. The writing for Giuseppina was a little cheap and paint-by-numbers but her overall theme is not alien to The Sopranos.
As for the plot being so heavily involved with the Black Gangs - This also was covered a LOT during the Sopranos series and the Black subplot explains a lot of Tony's racist bullshit during the series. Nothing we see Harold and his people go through is 1) historically untrue and 2) anything that didn't serve as a backdrop for the REAL Black/Italian street wars of the time period. NO, the sexual angle between Giuseppina and Harold is not "woke". You think Italian woman just started revenge fucking Black men after their gumba Italian men slap them around? They haven't, they've been doing that shit since the 1940s when Black American GIs were slinging dick in Italy. It's nothing new.
Also there's the constant yammering about how the movie is a Dickie Moltisanti film that confines Tony to a minor character and the rest of the Soprano crew as background NPCs. Again, the movie is an extended Sopranos Episode explaining HOW DICKIE MOLTISANTI CAUSES TONY TO BECOME A CRIME BOSS. That's all it can do in 2 hours. In the Sequels we will see Tony as an early/mid 20-something during the 1980s who develops a relationship with Carmela and starts his crew with guys like Silvio, Ralphie, Pussy and the rest of them.The 3rd film will likely span from the late 80s into the mid 90s which is when the series started.
Again, to sum it up. It's a fucking 2 hour Sopranos episode, not an origin miniseries. Stop crying because you didn't get the effect of close to 90 episodes and 10 years in 120 Minutes.
And Uncle Junior Is Fastly Becoming The Dark Sith Of The Soprano And The Ultimate Villian. I Feel Like Dickie Moltisanti's Death Should've Been A Conspiracy. The Death That Changes All For Tony. The Throwback Actors Were More Convincing Than This The Actors Is This Movie.
What was going on with those blind kids? Seemed to me like it was a writing gambit that just didn't land.
I thought the movie was decent. Not amazing, not terrible, but moderately good. We had this what turned out to be iconic tv series for 90 hours and almost 8 and a half years, it's hard to make a movie out of that much series time. I expected Paulie, Silvio and Sal to be hard to pull off because they had ways about them that are very hard to pull off and they had such limited time in the movie. I thought Dickie Tony Livia and Harold were the best played and most interesting characters and that might have also been partly because they got the most time. I thought Ray Liotta as Dickies uncle was pretty interesting and I thought Johnny Boy and Uncle Junior were decent. I liked how they made this its own movie without trying to perfectly recreate ages and events exactly as described at different times in the series. I also like how they tried to make the era of the 60s and 70s in Newark and America relatively realistic. That being said, I knew it would be hard to make a 2 hour movie of a show like the Sopranos a perfect success. Overall I'd give it a c+.
To me, the only reason to like the movie is because it's related to the Sopranos. But, because I love the show, it makes me dislike the movie. Should've been a short series like many mentioned because they tried to jam way to much in the movie which ended up ruining it.
Totally agree. This should have been a series instead of a movie. Trying to cover what they did in 2 hours was impossible. With all that being said, still really enjoyed it.
It’ll never happen but I wish they’d just retell this story in a mini-series or the first season of a new series. I liked the movie but I’d love if they just forgot about the movie and retold the story with the same cast and expanded it.
I like _The Many Saints_ well enough, but I feel like it's a pale reflection of the quality of _The Sopranos_. . This is unlike how, in my opinion, _Better Call Saul_ is equal to-- or perhaps even better than -- _Breaking Bad_ . That's how I see it, anyways. Cheers:-)
It wasn't a series because david chase hates t.v. and never wanted to do the Sopranos as a series to begin with. He was angry about this being in hbo
Really needed young Tony Egg (Buscemi) and Richie Aprile to at least turn up
I agree with you this should of been a streaming show not a movie.
And...in a part II, could use flashbacks to keep Dickie in the 2nd movie or such.
For those who complain about Sylvios hair, the REAL actor has a scalp injury. He wears a WIG.
The problem with the movie is simple... they had 2 hours to make a sopranos prequel and they decided to spend 1/2 the time focusing on a bunch of periphery characters we don't care about
I would like to see a spin-off series based on the Harold character, but yes, what did he have to do with the original series? Not to mention a lot of the facts that were discussed in the series never appeared in the movie. A TV show prequel would be the only way to do the original series and the movie justice.
We got an after-school special about the one dimensional world of the oppressed Black man and the oppressed wife.
The horror, David Chase giving us new characters to care about instead of the same old same old.
@@edd8914 If there is going to be a prequel TV series, there will have to be 'new' characters that never quite made it to 1997. I do hope the Harold character gets his own spin-off series so we can see the main characters 'growing up' into who they were in 1997. I would like to see the ones they killed off early in the series getting some prominence in the prequel series (Ralph and Richie come to mind) to see what they were all about.
@@culcune You’re the only person I’ve seen to want a Harold spin off 😂😂. Like, why? His character was pointless and dull, and didn’t feel like part of the puzzle.