The Sopranos - Why You're Wrong About Davey Scatino
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- In The Sopranos, mob boss Tony Soprano is a dangerous man to get close to. The gangster has ruined the lives of many people, and one of these people is Davey Scatino, a childhood friend of Tony who becomes indebted to him. Davey has a gambling problem, and he is considered a weak and snivelling character, but today I wanted to argue why I think Scatino is a victim of Tony Soprano.
Nobody ever bring this up. The last scene we see Davy Scartino, he says he is moving a ranch out west. It makes it seem like there is hope that he will start his life over again and get on the right track... until he states that it is only 30 minutes from Las Vegas... so we all know how that is gonna turn out.
In a hole in the desert...
@@tgraham1961 --Probably in those sewer tunnels people live in in Vegas.
Meadow actually mentions to Tony later that Davey ended up in a mental institution, and Tony is...unsympathetic
The last conversation dave and tony has, tony gives him a look like "wow this guys guna get fucked up out there"
You act like thats a hot take. When its not talked about because yeah no duh that was the point. Its like saying that water is wet.
Poor Davey, a 44 year old kid with his whole life ahead of him. Couldn't even place his last bet
I like to think his last bet was on himself 😂
Shame when they go so young
@@TheRealBelisariusCawlwhen they GO?
44, just a kid
He never had the makings of a sporting goods store owner.
"Played by Cyberdyne Systems Model T-1000" 😂
Beautiful fkin nod! 😂😂😂
@CineRanter, I know I've given you a lot of crap in the past, but this line was brilliant.
Pontiac also had a T-1000 model.
Watched this tears after T2 and hoped he would turn into t1000
Have you seen this boy?
I'm surprised not a lot of people think about the title of the episode and the therapy session Tony had with Melfi. Something about Davey's carelessness that rubbed Tony the wrong way. He says to Melfi that he pretty much feels so miserable and angry that he just wants to bring down someone who seems happier than him, and Davey seemed to be doing pretty okay with his gambling addiction and his store. Something about the way Davey could just gamble so much money and still be a family man really set off Tony and pretty much did nothing to stop him from getting into serious debt with him, and ruined him completely. He was the happy wanderer that Tony hated so much.
great point
He shoulda just tipped his cap and said a salute
He did it to himself. He was already behind with Richie. He showed up unsolicited and uninvited to the game. Tony tried to turn him away multiple times. Then he lied to get more house money while Tony was asleep. I’m not saying you’re entirely wrong about Tony’s resentment, but David buried himself without much help.
Look at this guy he thinks he's Frankie Yankovic over there
@@Asishischudkid Literally what sociopaths say to absolve themselves of any responsibility of their actions. Pushing a man with a major problem literally all the way to suicide and financial ruin for your personal satisfaction and financial gain is pure evil. Tony literally calls this shit his "bread and butter" and you're acting like he only stumbles haphazardly into people who can be taken advantage of. lmfao
“This is how a guy like me makes a living.. this is my bread and butter.”
-Anthony Soprano
yea work on steeling
@@tombrunn-f9cStealing?
Where's da Why You're Wrong About Billy Leotardo video?
No need for such a video. Nobody would think anything bad of him. Your brother was just a little kid, after all.
There's no need. You did 20 years in the can. You've got no scraps in your scrapbook.
I know it’s a joke but he does have a “why you’re wrong about Phil leotardo” video
you'll have to wait another twenty fuckin years.
@@MaximillianJ
Fvckin nauseating
A grown man made a bet, he lost, he made another one and lost again. End of subject!
He dug his own grave.
He was a gambling addict. When you're an addict, NOTHING is black and white. Is he sympathetic? No, he is not. But his descent into madness is the same plight that nearly every addict of ANY KIND faces on a daily basis. Some beat it and go on to live relatively normal lives. Some yoyo for nearly their entire lives. However some, like Davey, crash and burn. You don't know what will be, until it IS. That's the nature of addiction and the plight of addicts. Not an excuse, but an explanation.
@@slactweak Take your high moral ground and go sleep in the fucking bus station.
Like they say in Whiplash: give a calculator to a retard and he'll try to change the channel on the microwave. They gave him the calculator knowing what he was. They are not entirely blameless in this. It doesn't take away that Davey fucked up tho'.
We all read that on Tony’s voice!
The reason I could never feel sorry for Davey is the way he took his son's car; finding the tiniest thing wrong to make it his son's fault.
To be fair he's the one who bought it
@@gabrielethier2046no excuse to make his son feel in the wrong. He should have been honest that he messed up
@@michaelbob937 While not to say he was right to do that it's also arguably understandable as he was between a rock and a hard place, you have to remember Tony beated him to a pulp, sent his guys to harrass him or light his dumpster on fire, he was in a life threatening situation. Did Davey brought this upon himself and the whole situation was unfair for the family ? A 100% yes, however as stated in the video Tony just radically amplified his problems and ruined his life in a matter of days (I think), what Tony had done was much worst than Davey as his intentions was to hurt him
Tony took advantage of a situation that’s what gangsters do
@@dionruffin3996alcohol company’s take advantage of alcoholics, cigarette companies of nicotine addicts, gambling is legal in most countries, even pharmaceutical companies profiteer from addictive drugs.
idk he literally lied while tony was asleep and took a shit load more money lol he also told dude many times not to come gamble here until dude literally showed up at the games door so eventually tony said fine then go lose
He used reverse psychology on him. He knew it would interest him anyways.
Bro did you watch the video? Tony okayed him to take a shit tone of money and then he took a little after while tony was asleep.
@@ramonserna8089So he should have said, “please come play we need your action”?
@@CollaredConsulting If he were a friend like with Artie, he could have said "no". He half heatedly discouraged him, but not really. Remember when Artie tries to borrow money from Ralph he immediately says no, because Tony won't let him collect. Richie borrows him money because he knows Tony won't object and he didn't even like Richie.
yes i watched after I made this comment. This comment was my opinion on the topic before watching. He didn't take a little when tony was asleep it was a lot lol since watching the video yea eventually tony said fuck it but dude pushed his way into this in every way so I still don't let him off on his mistakes and i'm not blaming everything on Tony. 80 percent dudes fault and 20 percent on Tony @@darienstubbs2532
45 boxes of ziti
Did you know one ziti equals 1000 dollars Davy is fucked after 45 boxes of ziti.
@@loveaintfree1409 only watched show a thousand times
@@loveaintfree1409 give me one box of ziti
@lb5818 one box more?
Davey Got what he begged for, he was warned, several times. After Richie, he should've stopped
Davey kept blaming everyone else for his own compulsions. Vic and his sister had the store in HER name, yet it still didn’t keep him from ruining it, stealing his son’s college fund that VIC had set up.
Weirdly enough, Richie was actually doing more good to Davie by allowing Davie to make weekly payments.
Tony was making sure he would get Davie's business inventory.
My view of Tony's involvement is somewhere down the middle. I genuinely believe Tony initially had Davey's best interest at heart when refusing to let him join the game. However, once Tony realized that Davey wasn't going to let this go, he then sensed an opportunity in it all. I think of it less as Tony being a master long-term manipulator, and more as an opportunistic snake. He didn't initially intend on slow-rolling Davey for everything he's worth, but he did see an opportunity to do it.
Despite the t1000 being Robert Patrick's most iconic role and deservingly so, he's actually a talented guy with lots of range, and it was nice to see him do something different. Here he's barely recognizable despite no makeup, really disappeared into his role. Despite his Terminator role being his most well-known, when I see him on screen I don't think of in terms of that role.
I didn’t even know he was in the terminator until this video, really shows how well he can play two different roles
David's final scene is where the estimation of him as a man fkin plummets, should have mentioned this. He is divorced and ready to move to a ranch out west. You could actually say he will bounce back, as Tony mentions earlier when they do the bust-out. The problem is, and Tony's face also drops, when he mentions he will be 30 minutes out of Vegas and they should meet up sometimes... LMAO. Yea, Vegas.
Yup notice that
I really enjoyed how Tony and Ritchie came together during the bust out it was great to see them on the same side for once
If Ritchie could've swallowed his pride a little more and Tony been a little less of a hard ass, they really would've been a formidable team.
Fuck the blue coolers
Red Sells.
He never came back after Richie got through with him
“Why’d you let me do it ?” Davey asked . Oh please
get back in your fn hole lol
Reminds me of on Sopranos home movies when Tony blamed Carmela for not INSISTING he stop drinking
To be fair if you enable someone’s addiction you are screwing them. It’s a pretty fair question. Tony didn’t need to help him gamble.
@@willissudweeks1050it’s still Daveys fault for starting in the first place he’s not a little kid he’s a grown man who has to make his own decisions
@@willissudweeks1050 he told Davey multiple times NO, Davey is a shmuck
Always wished that Davey made a cameo in Tony’s season six trip to Vegas. Something subtle like working as a janitor or security guard
It's stated in like season 4 or 5 by Meadow that Davey ended up in a mental institution after he left for the ranch in Vegas.
So are you going to pretend Tony is a normal human being and not a violent sociopath who has no real friends. Tony did warn him which is probably more than he does for any of his other victims. Thats why Artie’s wife is constantly reminding him who his childhood friend really is. Artie hangs around him and still manages to stay out of the bust out by not owing Tony anything. Davie did that to himself, he knew who and what Tony was and even went further down the rabbit hole after Richie (king of the dead eyes) told him not to take it personal but when the envelope is light its a sign of more excuses and stopped him from participating in any more of his games till he caught up. Yes Davie had an addiction but expecting a Mafia guy to respect his mental health is like expecting a shark not to bite you with blood in the water.
Great post 👍
Artie got a major pass, but he could’ve been in debt for life after borrowing the money for the champagne that ended up being a scam.
Actually he agrees with you
If only Davy would have been on as his cyborg character, Tony would have felt the pain. Lol
Gambling is an addiction and Tony, the master of psychological manipulation, made the most of Davey's weakness. Tony knew that the more he told Davey to stay away from the high roller games, the more Davey wanted to get in the big league.
He's still a grown ass man who made every decision that led to his downfall
Gamblers gonna gamble....
@@Eggy79 So is everyone, but others in our lives can help us in our weakness or take advantage of us. Guess which one Tony is
He was not A master he kept going to see Melfi because she gave him the good ideas.
Then later on Tonh developed a gambling problem so bad, he almost defaulted on Hesh for a whole lot more than 45K.
The one thing that makes me think Tony did this grudgingly, but still needed to hold up appearances, is right before he goes into Davy’s office to shake him down.
He was dreading what he was about to do, because at that point it was probably different for him when they were friends.
The way Tony did Davey so dirty is really one of the best portrayals of how willing gangsters are to prey on anyone who gives them the opportunity.
Definitely one of my favorite subplots from the entire series, My only complaint is that it didn't stretch out longer.
In my country there was this big real estate guy who did big projects. He always ran into trouble with squatters who delayed everything so he hired this known mobster and his gang to get them out while the real estate guy kept a clean image. Long story short is they slowly turned on him, took his business over and when he went to the media to tell his story, his life was ended by a hired hitman from ex-yugoslavia
Tony told him multiple times no he kept pressing, Davey got what he asked for
I'll copy what I said below:
Think of what Tony doesn't say: "You have a compulsive gambling problem, and you need to get help before you destroy everything you've built in your life and alienate everyone you love. What are you avoiding in yourself by engaging in this behavior?" Davey was hooked and just fobbing him off with "This is too high stakes a game" would make him fight harder to get in on the action. That description isn't a discouragement, it's a lure. It's in Tony's job description to know how to keep a desparate fish on the line.
But what about the mythical disease of "addiction" that wields an intangible force over him and robs him of all free will?
@@goodyeoman4534 I'm not sure where you're being sarcastic here, but there's nothing mythical about addiction. Addicts are responsible for their behavior and have to take responsibilty for recovering and changing their behavior, but they are not in control when they are in the grip of their addictions. They are out of control. The outside world has to try to cope with the destruction they cause. The need for the fix is much stronger than any exertion of will power.
You’re a bad person. Theres good and bad people thats why this is a debate
@@goodyeoman4534so you know more than the leading scientists
The addiction with the highest suicide rate is gambling.
I thought it was Russian roulette
Most of these people are far too selfish to commit suicide. Suicide rates are probably higher in male divorcees than gamblers.
Lmao yeah but gambling addicts are the biggest morons.
I understand drug dependence, but gambling is the one where it’s a consistent choice over and over.
With this example as well, davey is hoping to make his losses smaller by gambling more and more with money he doesn’t have. He knows he was never going to be in a winning position
@@MahcusSmahrt36 Druggies don't also choose to take illegal drugs?
@@goodyeoman4534 are you still seeing your other woman, Lorenzo ?
Tony didnt plan to rinse Davey, he merely took advantage of the opportunity.
If you take Tony out of the equation... things wouldn't have gone any different for Davey, except maybe he would have been killed as a statement and example by Richie.
Tony was just pissed off because Davey didn't have the makings of a varsity athlete...
A varsity gambler
@@brettmajors69karaoke Good one.
You nailed it. Tony is a predator. That’s how he makes his living in his own words. Davey was an easy target for Tony. Davey was weak and Tony preys on that and says so. “Scorpion and the frog…” I know people love Tony but he was a POS of course, all mobsters are. Their talk of honor is all BS, they shoot each other at the drop of a hat if someone gets busted, just in case. There’s no honor in it at all BUT it’s fun to watch.
But for this case,Tony has gave warns over and over.
No different than Paypal and other "legitimate" payment processors offering pay later option and similar stuff for compulsive spenders.
@@dimulaidari Doesn't matter, he still let him in the game. It's not like warning your friend not to go to Vegas and they still do, it was completely up to Tony whether Davey gets to play or not
Tony even says that he knew Davey had the store and that it’s in his nature I.e. the scorpion and the frog. That’s the overarching parable.
i had an addiction problem with drugs and binge drinking. "a grown man made a decision, he lost"- Tony. i dont blame the dealer i blame myself.
Idk, at the end of the day, Davey’s a grown man. When Davey was winning during the executive game, Tony made it clear that he could cash out if he wanted to. Like T said, if Davey had played it smart it could’ve easily been him paying Dave 45 boxes of ziti. If you’re going to fault Tony, then you have to fault every legitimate casino for being evil because they do the exact same thing; take advantage of peoples gambling addictions
The only reason gambling at the state level and not like in the show is that the right people are getting paid (the state).
I think most people wouldn't mind faulting Casinos as being evil lmao. Casinos might be more evil than Tony in this case since they will ban you if you start winning too much
Old Davey had a window more than once.. Tony kept on telling him that the game was out of his league.. he got involved, and at one stage, he's well in front, could have paid his debts.. Ritchie, Tony..but no..and the rest was down hill.
Davey doesnt realized he easily could had been clipped had he not known tony from childhood.
Oh he knew. Someone who wasn’t Tony’s “friend” wouldn’t have told Christopher Tony had given him an unlimited line of credit.
"Clipped" people can't pay off debts....
Sometimes I wonder why a video like this was made, why someone who watched the show would need to be explained how Davey was a fool but still being fucked over then I see a comment like this. No one is getting clipped. The whole point of a person like Davey is to keep them alive through the beatings so that they can continue to make money off them. The worst they’ll do is break a few body parts. They die = loanshark gets no money. Do you think the person in debt would have the debt collector in his will or something?
Nah Tony's whole plan was for Dave to be in debt to Tony, so having him clipped made no sense at all.
If it wasn't to Tony, he would have gambled it off somewhere else. They always do.
An got killed for being unable to pay and running away instead of working it off.
On my initial watch I felt bad for Davey but thought it was his own fault. But after I rewatched the series I felt he was a victim. I also didn’t think he was actually Tony’s friend. When Arty tries to borrow money from Ralph, Ralph declines because he’s Tony’s friend and he can’t be hurt to recover the money. Remember, you don’t sh!t where you eat, and you definitely don’t sh!t where Tony eats. But given Tony/Richie relationship it’s likely Richie just didn’t care about the friendship. Who knows
The cause of Davey's downfall is obviously Frank Sinatra Jr.. He knows the Dealer controls the game.
It is continuously disappointing that fans think Tony hadn't zeroed in on him like a hawk. Tony even admits it!
I never bought that - the frog and scorpion story is just to show he is tough when falling in the debt. He was incensed when Davey basically stole from him and told him to stay away. Selling discounted plastic sports goods on the streets is not a good way of reigning in that level of debt.
@@irisharan3038 This is delusional im ngl lmao, Tony says out loud "yeah I wanted to extort you" and you're calling him a liar? How about just admit yeah, Tony is a scumbag?
Tony is a kind of Iago figure; he looks for a weakness and works on it until it destroys the victim.
You missed the part where Tony has a grin of sheer pleasure as he beats up Davey. You can see he really enjoys hurting Davey.
Even after Davey has lost his store and is going to leave New Jersey to go to work on a ranch out west he says they have planes to Vegas regularly . So clearly he didn't seem to learn anything. There's no helping him , if it wasn't Tony benefitting from him it would be someone else , or he'd owe credit cards , bank loans , whatever else.
Exactly, Tony knew exactly what he was doing baiting Davey and then trapping him in the executive game where Sil played him, making sure that he stayed all night. Tony saw weakness and took advantage of him.
sub-plots like this are used ( I think ) to remind us of these peoples true nature. During a series we can get too close to them and even relate to them on some levels. This serves to remind us they are very different to the rest of us.
Lol. I did not know that was Robert Patrick, it's amazing what 10 years will do to a guy.
I don’t gamble, but I’ve spend the last month trying to understand gambling addiction and the minds of addicts. I now understand how little control they have. Tony too knew. He knew what he was doing and what would happen to David, Eric and Christine when he let David into the game. This episode showed how little regard he had for those he called friends. Gamblers should face their consequences, but at the same time, friends of gamblers should not let them dig their own graves, especially while profiting from it. Had Tony been a friend, he would have placed David in a rehabilitation program, not a high stakes executive game.
Tony said no multiple times...scatino is a dumb.
@@aleNoyz91 Still would have been possible for Tony to turn him away in the room in the moment, but he chose otherwise.
Think of what Tony doesn't say: "You have a compulsive gambling problem, and you need to get help before you destroy everything you've built in your life and alienate everyone you love. What are you avoiding in yourself by engaging in this behavior?" Davey was hooked and just fobbing him off with "This is too high stakes a game" would make him fight harder to get in on the action. That description isn't a discouragement, it's a lure. It's in Tony's job description to know how to keep a desparate fish on the line.
“Ya know Tone how much money is in that rehab game? Madone 🫨”
- Silvio
@@allenrubinstein3696Tony did fall asleep and was genuinely surprised the guy had run up a $45,000 line of credit before he woke up and cut him off.
Now that said the arc is a bit weird. The guy’s total debt to Richie and Tony is $52,000. The car alone, even assuming Tony is not going to give a fair value for it, would be enough to knock 10% or more off the debt. His house looks at least as nice as Tony’s house so a second mortgage or home equity loan from a bank with a manageable interest rate would have easily paid off Tony and Richie. Surely some time in the apparent weeks it took to ruin the business he would have thought of this.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 Assuming he hadn't already stretched those assets to their limit with prior losses.
I think Tony would have been equally fine with him walking away versus talking his way into the game.
I like that you take a different view on this topic especially when people think Tony is blameless. However I don't personally think Tony baited him - in my opinion Tony earnestly tried to keep him away in the beginning and only changed his mind when he saw him for the gambling addict he really was.
Still great video.
At the end he was so deep in debt he had to sell his entire body to military technological corporations, where it was stored in a database for "human likeness" for machines to build androids from
Lmao
6:44 Tony let that opportunity walk away half a dozen times
You make a great point.Much as we love the characters, they are in no way role models. You mentioned Sal vitro. Who got a "favour" from Paulie. You mentioned Artie, who got his resturant burnt down. What about the appraiser who took a beating? Everyone Tony interacted with was worse of. He was a toxic person and everyone was worse off for knowing him.
Artie got some redemption getting back to directly cooking in season 6 tbf tho with Tony dead his business might get harassed by Paulie & co more harshly.
4:20 This can be said about the entire series. Something terrible happens to somebody in almost every episode that would make you wanna gargle drano if it happened to you
Why are we debating this? Tony admitted to Davey what he did - Tony was a predator who saw someone with a weakness and worked out a way to exploit that weakness for money. Tony justifies it by saying that it's not even intentional, it's just his nature to be a predator.
Davey was not a victim of anyone but himself. He knew better than to mess with tony and his money but could not stop himself. Tony was even ok about the fact that he lied to chris about tony saying he could get the money. That alone could have got him killed, but davey insisted on ruining his life
My step-father is a gambling addict , a full-blown degenerate gambler that won't stop for nothing. A similiral thing happened to him a couple of years ago . Apparently, he took money from 5 different people, and in the course of 3 nights, he blew about 5 thousand on slots , poker, and god knows what other gambling games. After about a month of him dodging the people he owed money to got together and waited for him infront of a bar on a Saturday, they fractured his skull broke a rib and did something to his left shoulder , I never felt sorry for him even though I did help him a lot after it. Help is out there , you just have to go get it.
Tony begged him not to play multiple times ! Tony wanted nothing to do Davey, business wise. Totally Davey’s fault. At some point you have to take accountability for your actions. And there’s only so many times you can poke the bear (Davey begging to be let in the game), before Tony said ok.
1:30 wait WHAT ???
I think Davey hurt Tony's ego and that's when he chose to rob him blind. It lines up with his pathology as a narcissist and almost every horrible thing Tony does to hurt somebody else ties back to his ego. Which is the monstrous thing about Tony in this situation. A bruised ego can make him ruin your life.
I think Tony legitimately didn't want Davey anywhere near his game. He knew it'd be bad for Davey, and he wanted to keep Davey at arm's length. Frankly, Tony is very honest with him and does his best to warn him off.
Even when Tony allows Davey into the executive game, Davey (a) ends up in way more debt than Tony had intended to extend to him, and (b) only after Davey borrows all the money does Tony become aware of Davey's existing money problems.
Yes, Tony is aware of Davey's store and that's why he eventually relents, but it isn't like he goes after Davey intentionally. Tony and Davey were friends, and Tony knows that he cannot be friends with somebody and simultaneously let that person borrow money.
It baffles me that people view Tony as some boo boo face when he literally explains to Davey he planned it out from the beginning.
Did Artie want a mobster's brains on fellow regulars? It wasnt the 1940s, his career was over if that had gone down in his place.
Yeah people thinking Davey spiralled downwards by himself need to get real - this is a show about sociopaths that understand each other by just looking at each other. If he was addicted to sugar, Tony and company would leave a path of candy or maybe even open a candy store next door lol
Tony's not innocent. But Davey took just as much advantage of Tony as Tony did of him. He acted shocked when Tony came to collect on the debt. I think he believed that since they were childhood friends, Tony would let it slide. Part of the disease of addiction is that addicts will do ANYTHING, say anything, screw over anyone in their lives, to enable the addiction. Besides, would Davey's story have ended any differently if he had run up that debt on credit cards or bank loans? The worst a mobster can do is kill you. A bank will hunt down that debt for generations.
Davey was up, Sal was pissed, he coud have got out up big, or even at some point.
Also David is an adult, capable and responsible for his decisions.
And if he was in the game to pay back Rich, why not get out while up big?
I met Robert Patrick, and I told him he was doing a good job. Complete with a thumbs up. He laughed.
I felt proud of myself that day.
In my opinion, the fact that Davey had a function and even thriving business at one point, proves that he is capable of getting a grip over his compulsive desire to gamble, and yet he let go and went down a dark path. He's equally liable in his own destruction. He pissed away his kids' inheritance.
I tend to agree, I always say it as Tony giving more of an effort to stop Davie because he's a friend, compared to a normal mark anyways, but deep down if he sees a free meal he'll take it no matter who it is. 'You just want to give me money? Well okay then, you shouldn't but I'll take it'
True that scene in store is low key very scary
Tony is a professional. He knew the whole time.
This was a good one @CineRanter - I do love the parallel you made with Davey Scatino and Christopher (You have to imagine I said it with Adriana's inflections) when it came to them going to support groups and how somehow Tony took that comfort from them.
But let us never forget the incredible performance of the superb of the Cyberdyne Systems Model T-1000 aka Robert Patrick. He is what made the character - I mean he hit all the elements that - even if he was wronged, you still sort of supported what Tony did to him...until much later you realized you cheered for the devil. And you now kind of hate yourself for backing Tony.
Just good writing, but better performances.
Tony knew what was gonna happen. He just couldn't help himself. He knowingly took advantage of someone with an addiction. Poetically, Tony got into hot water with his own gambling later in the series and ended up owing money to Hesh. Then he got shitty about paying it back even though all he ever got were gentle reminders.
There's also a great scene where a drunk Artie outright tells Tony that he smells blood in weak people like Artie in the episode where Artie's alcoholic drink business deal falls apart.
Tony explicitly says that he knew Davey had the store and that he knew he would accrue massive gambling debt - thus enabling Tony to take the store. There's no maybe about it.
Cement your analysis by reviewing Tony’s comments about Dave’s to Dr. Melfi. Tony called him the Happy Wanderer and admitted to ruining him out of spite.
I wonder how many people in the gamblers anonymous meeting saw Robert Patrick there and thought “holy shit it’s the T-1000!”
I don't think he did because of a debt to Richie - that was only 8 grand, he could have paid that off. Although his gambler mind may have thought he could do so in one game and still make some.
The difference was that Tony warns him quite a few times and appears not to know that Davey asked for thousands more because he was asleep. All in all, not Tony's most malicious moment.
I don’t think Tony baited Davy I personally feel like in Tony’s mind he warned him and kept asking so the consequences are on him
I'm surprised more people don't look at this situation the way you've presented it. Tony admitted as much after Dr Melfi came to the same conclusion.
Nah, i disagree. He did not want him at the game. He slept during the second loan. He only defended him from Richie for optics. When Tony told him he did it for his business, it was out of annoyance.
Davey (Robert Patrick) is in the Reacher TV series and in a scene the name Sarah Connor comes up and he says “Sarah Connor, never heard of her” lol
I believe when Tony first comes back to Davids Store after he accumulated so much debt, and shortly before he beats Davey up, that's when we hear the true reason why he does all this - he says something like "What do you think I'm still the Kid on the bus?"
Earlier David had mentioned having beat up Tony on the School Bus, and Tony may all act like grown up and over it; but we all know a guy like him doesn't forget something like that - that's why he mentions it "look, I'm not small anymore , now you are small and I will hurt YOU"
Yes sure he took the chance to make money with David and use his addiction to his advantage, that's how Tony makes a living .. but deep down I think he just waited for a chance for payback for the beatup in the school bus.
Don't forget Tony also had contempt for Davey b/c he thought he was the Happy Wanderer.
A true degenerate gambler, his son will never forget that moment he flippantly sold his car. Sopranos really flushed-out the tragedy of addictions - all the lies, selfishness, shame, harm to others. I mean, the Sopranos did an excellent job portraying addictions and mental health problems way before it was fashionable.
With Davey's story it goes so much further than that...
They show it from a criminal's or a sociopathic predator's view- "This person is weak and I will exploit their weakness to take everything from them, use them, exploit them, make sure they never get better." Its very scary to me that predators like Tony or anybody else -exist, and see this as business-as-usual, they can fake empathy, but have zero remorse or guilt about their actions.
You know that, once Tony has his hooks into Davey, that his goal is to take everything Davey has - Davey's destruction is a consequence that doesn't bother Tony. This is because he charges Davey 5% interest *per week*. That comes out to around 1,100% per year and almost nobody could pay that on a $45k balance, which Tony knows.
I always saw this the same as the Artie situation, when he lent him the money for the french wine or whatever. I don't think Tony meticulously planned the whole thing, he just saw an opportunity and took advantage of it. Same as with Artie, his mind automatically thinks like, worst case scenario, we take control of his business. It's not deliberate, but as Tony says, it's his nature.
make a “why youre wrong about Georgie Santorelli” video ,
he was my favourite character, wish they did more with him.
Yeah, the bubbles comparison is pretty similar. Some people just don't like to think empathetically about anyone.
Seeing how much this account loves The Wire, I thought they were going to splice in the video of the Bunk saying "you're not good for people Jimmy" when talking about the bad influence of Tony around minute seven haha
Just rewatched this story arc last night. Davey taking no responsibility and whining about "Why'd you let me do it?!" was where my sympathy for him ended. He ignored numerous warnings and snuck around both Richie and Tony's efforts to control the damage he was doing to himself (limiting his credit). Davey fucked himself up and screwed over his own wife and kid. And it was especially despicable for him to pretend he was "disciplining" his son by taking away his vehicle.. when it was his own misbehavior that lost the vehicle to Tony.
To me it's not that he deserves sympathy, but he is a victim nevertheless. It always surprises me how many are sympathetic to Tony and even excuse his behavior when he is a predatory scumbag. That's what monsters do: They prey on the pathetic and the desperate. Has soon as he noticed Davey he knew he had a target and zeroed on him.
@@ramonserna8089 Davey acted like every other addict ever. I think that tony only allowed him the credit, because he knew Davey could pay it back and only agreed after being annoyed by Davey.
I can agree with this video. It shows that Tony did not care at all about Davey. If it was Artie, this would have been a completely different story; if Artie had a gambling problem, Tony would NEVER let him gamble and would not let any of his subordinates let him make wagers.
But, in the end it was all Davey’s fault, play stupid games win stupid prizes.
I feel people give Tony too much credit when it comes to him warning Davey not to get involved in the executive game. All his warnings were very cryptic and IMO seemed more like when someone wants to get someone to do something by telling them how they wouldn't enjoy it or they don't wanna know etc. Basically reverse psychology. Tony pretty much admits as much when he's with Davey in his store and Davey asks him why he let him in the game, to which Tony replies that he knew Davey had this store and that it's in his nature. Tony wanted Davey in the game so he could bust out his sporting goods store, and him telling Davey that it was high stakes and he didnt want to be involved was just to make Davey want to join the game even more.
Yes its amazing how you can read through mafia clips or Gravano's podcast and read tons of comments about how great, strong and honourable the mafia guys are when in reality if you had to deal with people like that in your life you'd be begging the authorities for help.
'Some people are just pathetic losers' - that's a bit harsh. Davey ran his own business and had a family and a home.
A gambling addiction and a close connection to a former classmate (criminal) who could help drag him down faster was his downfall.
In season 3, meadow's friend hunter tells meadow that davey's son Eric was forced to attend a state college, despite being accepted into Georgetown, and he was now experimenting with drugs to cope with his family issues
Similarly.. think about all the liquor stores and pawnshops that they put in bad neighborhoods where they know people have a drinking problem and they have very little belongings to sell or pawn… I wonder why that happens
He’s sat in the diner,with a cap on , ready to put a cap in Tony.
Wow never heard that one before and it's actually a possibility.
One of Tony’s biggest scumbag moves was taking advantage of both Davey and Artie. Lifelong pals and he knew exactly how to draw both of them in and wring cash out of them.
Woah Dave is the T-1000? That guy really has range. I’ve only ever seen him in intimidating roles
Tony played Davey AND it’s Davey’s fault. Both statements are true. Just because he’s a gambling addict that doesn’t excuse the choices he made as an adult with a business and a family.
There’s always someone preying upon you. If you make deliberate decisions to lie in the dirt with them, it’s your own fault when you’re bitten.
Davey knew the rules of the game he was playing. He knew the people he was playing with. He knew the risk of getting into debt with these people. He still played. How can you have sympathy for that? I understand sympathy for his family, they are victims of Davey. But sympathy for Davey, no.
yeah, it's pretty obvious Tony had his eyes on Davey. Maybe he had some reservations because of their closeness, but once Davey showed up at the game Tony absolved himself of all responsibility and Davey became a mark. It just goes to show the extent of Tony's greed that when Ritchie tells him this guy owes him money already, Tony makes it clear Ritchie won't get paid until Tony makes back his investment
Moreover, even in the context of the poker game Tony knew he was throwing Davey to the wolves. Everyone knows when it comes to gambling "the house always wins" but the odds are he was just throwing a small fry at the more experienced gamblers, thereby increasing their earnings and his own
Spot! Spot on it!
Excellent analysis. Artie said pretty much the same thing in "Everybody Hurts."
Didn't Davy and Arty pick on Tony in high school when they played football? I'm sure Tony mentions something about that. playing the revenge long game. lol